Dante’s Inferno Part 1, The Meaning of Descent: Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogue 70

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  • @sandrajune1871
    @sandrajune1871 2 года назад

    Most excellent conversations on utube, explains our spiritual current dilemma, war weaving its path from thousands of years ago into the present. Learning from our ancestors hundreds of years ago provides the answer. Beautiful, transcendent and inspiring. Infinite gratitude.

  • @voteutah
    @voteutah 3 года назад +19

    Twelve years of Catholic school and I always wondered what this book was actually about! Thank you!

  • @cymbolic_space1832
    @cymbolic_space1832 3 года назад

    knowing that Sir. Rupert Sheldrake at times struggles to read classical literature certainly helps me practice kindness toward myself in regards to the consumption and digestion of monumental thought through art.

  • @Altruismisreal27
    @Altruismisreal27 3 года назад +28

    I haven’t read Dante, but love the conversation here.

  • @WarriorAngel
    @WarriorAngel 3 года назад +1

    Love you Rupert, you are a huge inspiration in my life, God bless you.

  • @k8eekatt
    @k8eekatt 3 года назад

    Having read all three parts under the instruction of a professor of the Society of Jesus, in college, it really helped put it in context historically. Its the Onion of 1308. Looking at society through the lens of Dante's wit is a way to reflect on human nature and choices. Thanks for this interview. Merry Christmas!

  • @paulwalker6907
    @paulwalker6907 3 года назад +6

    Loved this. A few years ago we happened by chance while driving in the foothills of the Appenines in Northern Tuscany . to go to the village where he was born.
    The fall is when we fell from our higher self to our lower self. That is what the garden of Eden is all about.
    The mission for each one of us while in this world is to raise ourselves to our higher Self and be reborn in Spirit..
    This is the Great work.

  • @divalivingston1664
    @divalivingston1664 3 года назад +3

    Unusual to have a book interview turn into a therapy session for me! Thanks to both of you for such an enlightening dialogue from two intelligent and giving people.

  • @pappapiccolino9572
    @pappapiccolino9572 3 года назад +7

    I've watched about a dozen of these dialogues, and this is the best by a fair way IMO. I agree with Rupert - Mark's explanations are so clear and revelatory. When something is explained to you in a way that you can relate to and it makes perfect sense, it is one of the great pleasures in life IMO.
    Bravo to both of you. Great work.

  • @patriziasplace2256
    @patriziasplace2256 3 года назад +6

    This is wonderful. Like all Italian children I had to study Dante in school, but I could never relate to it this way. will definitely get the book, thank you! 😊

  • @gurug9797
    @gurug9797 3 года назад +11

    Just got Rupert's new book 'the science delusion' is excellent 💟🙏

  • @ivanotcddercoled1929
    @ivanotcddercoled1929 3 года назад

    A few remarks that may be interesting to the people who will watch this RUclips video. I am Italian and studied Dante’s Divine Comedy as part of the curriculum of “Liceo Classico”, the public secondary high school in Italy which is centred around the study of humanities. I’ve since read many commentaries and listened to many lectures on the Divine Comedy by Italian scholars who would presumably be the most suited to understand and explain the meaning of Dante’s masterpiece. Yet Mark Vernon’s explanation is the most insightful that I’ve come across so far. This shows that you don’t need to know Italian to understand the true meaning of the Divine Comedy, though I suspect that Mark was able to study it in its original language.

  • @amanitamuscaria7500
    @amanitamuscaria7500 2 года назад

    Excellent discussion. Thank you.

  • @heatherwhitehead3743
    @heatherwhitehead3743 3 года назад +5

    Thank You for being open minded enough to entertain the ideas of hell.

  • @susanfay2213
    @susanfay2213 3 года назад +4

    Yahooo! Love the topic, on Dante!!

  • @jetteraismabash4186
    @jetteraismabash4186 3 года назад +1

    Love these dialogues between you and Mark!

  • @idaloup6721
    @idaloup6721 3 года назад +2

    Wow what a synchronicity ! I've watched yesterday a video on Arte RUclips channel about Dante "Voyage au bout de l'enfer et paradis". I'm passionate about the Divine Comedy.
    Greetings from France.

  • @riverwildcat1
    @riverwildcat1 3 года назад

    Very relevant and powerful interpretation and translation. Can't wait to get the book!

  • @nigelgroves19
    @nigelgroves19 3 года назад

    Thank you Rupert and Mark, brilliant conversation. So much to absorb, think I'll listen again.

  • @masonart4950
    @masonart4950 3 года назад +1

    Hell is individual, personally unique experience.
    And only through direct experience will you ever know it.

  • @davidreid8075
    @davidreid8075 5 месяцев назад

    I agree with Rupert..clarity !

  • @vadimkotikov6167
    @vadimkotikov6167 3 года назад +5

    Thank you for this inspirational dialog, I look forward to reading Mark Vernon's book! As for Divina Commedia itself, it is the only book for the sake of which alone I started to learn a new language. I advance very slowly, but it's a great enjoyment as one realizes that no translation can possibly do justice to Dante.

  • @robinsings
    @robinsings 3 года назад

    Very nice. What a great conversation. Wonderful Mark. Cant wait till the next one

  • @andrewizzoclarke
    @andrewizzoclarke 3 года назад

    Great conversation.

  • @megandaniel7788
    @megandaniel7788 3 года назад

    Great convo between the both of you

  • @benbishop1131
    @benbishop1131 3 года назад +5

    This was really energizing. Love these conversations. Mark really is brilliant with explanation

  • @LVXMagick
    @LVXMagick 3 года назад

    Oh yay! I'm so grateful for this. Thanks!🙏🥰

  • @susanfay2213
    @susanfay2213 3 года назад +4

    This was a wonderful conversation, and I now will read Mark's book, and I REALLY hope you guys will devote two more episodes to the last 2 parts of Dante's Divine Comedy!

  • @geralynbevacquasouljourn-a4979
    @geralynbevacquasouljourn-a4979 3 года назад

    Thank you both! Great conversation.

  • @teresahernandez1059
    @teresahernandez1059 3 года назад

    Thank you, I will pick the book back up! Truly enjoyed the Journey.

  • @Jacob011
    @Jacob011 3 года назад

    I went through the journey with Dante and Mark's commentary week by week, canto by canto. It truly is a cosmic pilgrimage (to borrow Rupert's phrase).

  • @sheilac5319
    @sheilac5319 2 года назад

    Thank you!

  • @zeitheisteternal
    @zeitheisteternal 2 года назад

    When Rupert says “You’re kind of like Virgil squared” I literally burst into laughter

  • @kaylacarpenter272
    @kaylacarpenter272 3 года назад +2

    I was shocked, when he said he didn't understand it. Especially coming from him.

  • @TheAcademicOracle
    @TheAcademicOracle 3 года назад

    As a grad student finishing a four-part epic series about humanity’s evolution (that I’ve been channeling for seven years) as my MFA, I am looking forward to reading this work and gain a new appreciation for the classic legends that have paved the path for me to complete my work.

  • @acchaladka
    @acchaladka 3 года назад

    Very nice conversation, especially the point about Dante's life and fame - thank you. As a young man I read Italian literature for my bachelour's, including a course on l'inferno and two others on Dante, all in Italian. It really was an excellent education, and if others here have the opportunity, I highly recommend taking a course on the books. My mother was a professor of English literature and we at some point agreed that Dante surpasses everyone except perhaps (and only perhaps), Shakespeare. No offence to Mr Milton, but what an apex of Western civilisation.

  • @ericshayer
    @ericshayer 3 года назад

    Fantastic discussion. Thank you very much!

  • @pchabanowich
    @pchabanowich 3 года назад

    Translations and curiosities - thank you for this insightful reading of The Comedy Divine. It was difficult to find a translation for several reasons which I’m sure you share to some degree. You really have stopped my head-scratching over this work, and I feel I can now approach it with this glimmer of understanding. This is a WOW, and I’m inspired to look for your books of the Tripartite poem, so I can (with you, Rupert) read them together. Sublime!🙏

  • @natashapope3785
    @natashapope3785 3 года назад +8

    Often mistaken for a psychosis.limbo..purgatory...trauma trapped in us, and to cure meet the active imagination....identify the archetypes, work with it ,discover your own shadows,...PTSD is a pathway that crashes through the ceiling.Guidance required and healing to face the crouching tiger on an individual and collective scale.

  • @mortalclown3812
    @mortalclown3812 3 года назад +1

    I read an abridged Dante with the wonderful illustrations by Dore. It was like a fairy tale. Now i'm old enough to read it all, with Dr. Vernon's wise assistance. Terrific conversation, gentlemen. I find myself wondering about your thoughts on 'One Hundred Years of Solitude' - a different sort of classic, but about a journey nonetheless.
    Thank you.

  • @lindawhitehead6149
    @lindawhitehead6149 3 года назад +1

    I was assigned the Divine Comedy as part of a course on the Italian Renaissance, and I've always been glad as it would have otherwise been like the Iliad which i still mean to read...someday...hah! I enjoyed Hell (so to speak) was less enthused about Purgatory, and ran out of steam half way through paradise...hmmmm....I remember the souls in Paradise appeared as orbs, which is really interesting as people do see orbs sometimes now.

  • @MIOLAZARUS
    @MIOLAZARUS 3 года назад +2

    love this conversation and it's always relevant :)

  • @ZuShin
    @ZuShin 3 года назад

    Wow. This guide sounds great. Have to buy it and read Dante's Divine Comedy again. I read all three books, ie, Inferno, Purgatory and Paradisio a long time ago, and it can be a difficult read. Lots of symbolism and historic figures. It is very dense. So it would be good to read this commentary of Dante's journey.
    Looking forward to watching future videos on Dante's Purgatory and Paradisio.

  • @camilar3273
    @camilar3273 3 года назад +10

    So interesting this conversation! As I was listening to you it also came to me the way love is culturally seen. In some languages, for example, although relationships are, as in English, defined as love relationships, they also have another definition which is relationship of affection. And to me this makes a complete sense. If love can be seen in many aspects of life, why would it be used to define only relationships? Another thing that came up is the very idea of falling in love. It's my personal view that love can't be per se the problem, but its absence and misconception can indeed lead to entrapments. As I'm not an English native speaker, I would like to know from you, if possible, whether "falling in love" had at its early expression the idea of reducing love into passion or literally feeling love. In our culture, those concepts very often are mixed and they're used interchangebly when they actually mean different things. Very interesting! I never read Dante, but I look forward to knowing whether Dante's perspective on love changes as he moves up. 👏🏼👍🏼

  • @nobutterinhell
    @nobutterinhell 3 года назад

    The Dalai Lama practices ancient prayers from Tibetan Buddhism that actually transmute all different aspects of basic human feelings and elements of feeling which includes anger and hate and many other aspects such as ignorance anyway the reason he's emanating such love is because of his connection with the ascended masters from the Buddhist lineage who already have manifested their immortal body and have gone through all the layers and levels and it's all based on feelings and elements of feeling it's really quite fascinating that these ancient prayers clear all those challenges including desire arrogance jealousy grief fear joy pain etc.

  • @moesypittounikos
    @moesypittounikos 3 года назад

    The very last line where he mentions the Sybil, Dante explains why we can never remember dreams, dmt trips and the vision of God. I read it once in a great translation, can't remember which one, and came across it in other translations that didn't really hit me like the first time I read it

  • @CarlJones14
    @CarlJones14 3 года назад +2

    I had this sense when I was in a large lift at London Heathrow terminal 3, many years ago. The person in question was Cat Stevens. He was definitely bigger, or had more presence that his physical frame. On the flip side, I had this experience with Tony Blair in Fleet Street/St. Brides. How opportunities pass you by... I am still in pain about my immortality opportunity... 😢

  • @nubbyrose87
    @nubbyrose87 3 года назад

    Interesting. I went ahead and purchased the digital version of your book on amazon.

  • @nickfrate4396
    @nickfrate4396 3 года назад +1

    There are good translation of the Divine Comedy out there, but reading Dante's Divine Comedy can be very difficult if you don't have knowledge of medieval culture and history during Dante's time, as well as knowledge of Greek and Roman Mythology, which Dante was influenced by. That said, Mark Musa's a translator and scholar of Italian literature, has an excellent 3 volume translation of the Dante's Divine Comedy and it's been in print for almost 40 years. Mark Musa's translation has an introduction before each canticle and a commentary after each Canto, which describes or explains the medieval history and the Greek/Roman mythology that Dante writes about or references in his poem, Divine Comedy.

  • @paleocrafters1246
    @paleocrafters1246 3 года назад

    Doesn't matter what you do in life, nothing done will bring you to a special place you'll be everywhere...but you won't be able to share with all the beings you mistreated. No one can perceive you, the channel is cut. You will have more opportunities in life, the system is fare. You give you receive, you take...

  • @bradleymosman8325
    @bradleymosman8325 3 года назад +3

    Sometimes I read for entertainment. Sometimes I read as a project. The Divine Comedy was a project. When I finished it I knew I had accomplished something worthwhile. But after reading that, what else is there to read?

  • @jamesshielssoberlife.3701
    @jamesshielssoberlife.3701 3 года назад +4

    I might get that book actually because that is what happened to me, i tried to fully grasp the 700 year old original.

  • @eggboy-uk
    @eggboy-uk 3 года назад +11

    Really enjoyed that Gentlemen, thank you so much. So many resonances... I just ordered Marks book having listened to this and read the introduction on the website. Really looking forward. Also ordered the Penguin edition of Dante's Divine Comedy.

    • @jylyhughes5085
      @jylyhughes5085 3 года назад +1

      I'm about to order both books also!

  • @RSEFX
    @RSEFX 3 года назад +1

    Again, maybe I'm seeing this far too simplistically in my "reducings", but to me, the encounter with frozen dark Lucifer equates with the common supposition that one sometimes (often?) has to "bottom out"-----hit so-called "rock bottom"----before one "sees the light" (or "seize" the light)----wind up in the place where there is nowhere left to go but UP.

  • @oudekraal7460
    @oudekraal7460 3 года назад

    at last, something to wrap the imagination around this fine weekend, hope you all enjoy this chat as much as you did.

  • @MothershipOracle
    @MothershipOracle 3 года назад

    always had a fascination for dante's "inferno". the dream of dante does seem to relate to our lives in general, in that, when we are tempted into sinful activity, evil then has more of an opening in our mindset, to tempt us into even more sinful activity -and dante's dream is like a story of descending into hell, going through a myriad of changes, -seeing how far away from god's presence we could go, but then, finaly realising we need to repent to god, who offers us the chance to redeem our fallen self, to then ascend out of hell and into paradise with god. it also shows the mercy that god shows to us, despite our stubborness to obey and that we tend to resist the warnings within our conscious mind.

  • @Augustus_Imperator
    @Augustus_Imperator 3 года назад

    IoveIy conversation

  • @Autobotmatt428
    @Autobotmatt428 3 года назад +1

    There was a video game that adapted the story of the inferno. Key word "adapted" for example Dante is a Crusader instead of a poet. I have not played it but I did watch the animated movie version of it. I recommend it.

  • @jan-martinulvag1962
    @jan-martinulvag1962 3 года назад +4

    I am living the inferno right now

    • @jan-martinulvag1962
      @jan-martinulvag1962 3 года назад

      Heaven and hell is very real. Both in the flesh and in the afterlife

    • @jan-martinulvag1962
      @jan-martinulvag1962 3 года назад

      God is both heaven and hell, but to him its the same thing

    • @jan-martinulvag1962
      @jan-martinulvag1962 3 года назад

      God Himself/source is an endless , everlasting, boundless orgasm.

    • @jan-martinulvag1962
      @jan-martinulvag1962 3 года назад

      Hell is the impossibility of reason

    • @jan-martinulvag1962
      @jan-martinulvag1962 3 года назад

      Anger is a means to preserve yourself and not waste your love on demons, its to take back your power/love

  • @not2tees
    @not2tees 2 года назад

    I have not found a translation of The Divine Comedy that appealed to me. It seems to be Dante's or perhaps his century's peculiarities that put me off. Whereas (!) Faust I found vivid and startling and entertaining and alive from the first time I read it as a teenager. It was the Kaufmann translation, btw.

  • @andrewforrest108
    @andrewforrest108 3 года назад

    it's interesting to note that the true meaning of the word 'repent' means 'see anew', ( or turn 180 degrees), after all is lost in the alchemical fire of purification.

  • @greenstair
    @greenstair 2 года назад

    Fascinating book, I have the audio book (brilliantly read by Mark Vernon himself).
    Is anyone able to tell me if there is an outlet where I may buy D L Sayers' translation? I have searched online, but unable to locate a copy.
    Many thanks

  • @kevinmarble5260
    @kevinmarble5260 3 года назад +1

    As for fame: .From Reflections in a Petri Dish, ""A Great Amount of the Real Luster and True Beauty is Obscured by its Passing Through the Carnal Mind." "Why would people chase that hairnet of Flies and Mosquitoes called Fame?"

  • @betoian
    @betoian 3 года назад +2

    Thank, you! Very interesting interview.
    I wonder why there haven't yet filmed a TV miniseries of Dante's journey through hell, seen in this way.
    Besides this, I was looking for a way to communicate to you how I would explain the morphic field that you write in your books.
    As you once said, there should be a new kind of DNA.
    And as I imagine it, I would call it Quantic DNA.
    It should work like a property of object oriented programming (for example, the JAVA programming language).
    Class polymorphism is the ability of inheriting and evolving certain characteristics of a parent class...
    So, assuming that most living creatures descend from an original sponge.
    There might be a sort of quantic DNA that allows us to inherit things like instincts from our parents.
    And that would be a kind of natural chain that link us to our original first ancestors.
    If this exists, then there is another property of object oriented programming that might also happen.
    It is possible in computers to communicate through certain common class variables, or let us call them channels, with any other object created in the same way... It is only required to access these variables to communicate through them.
    Anybody could be putting information in one of these channels, but nobody might happen to be reading or listening to them!
    It is not considered a good way of programming to do this. But I tried it and it works!
    You see that this material world never dared to create things very different to what we are.
    And if something in computers work it is because it might be very close to what the natural thing is...
    I am always amazed and thanked for today being able to read books with such fresh theories like yours.
    And at the same time, to be able to communicate with you so easily and give you my opinion about it.🙂
    Thank you for reading this.🙂

  • @RSEFX
    @RSEFX 3 года назад

    At the most basic LEVEL (a word that seems particularly apt here!) this Inferno-metaphor-for-life is saying "You Reap What You Sow". Or is that just boiling it all down too simplistically?
    Thanks for the video, as always!

  • @cryptophasia8511
    @cryptophasia8511 3 года назад

    I think we sense when a person has millions of people's attention on them. Maybe it is not endogenous, rather it is a network effect

  • @wehsee912
    @wehsee912 Год назад

    🌚☄️❤️💫

  • @paulasamec8715
    @paulasamec8715 3 года назад

    I found Bryan Melvin’s description of his hell experience quite “Dante-like”.

  • @satyricusm
    @satyricusm 3 года назад

    Dante sets out to DEFEND Bruno Latini from false allegations.

  • @MyMy-tv7fd
    @MyMy-tv7fd 3 года назад +1

    Rupert struggles to say the word, and the word is 'sin'. The wages of sin is death, in the inferno of hell, created by the sin of the individual. If you liked this vid you might like 'Descent Into Hell' by Charles Williams, his most frightening spiritual novel.

    • @natashapope3785
      @natashapope3785 3 года назад

      No fear if possible. Don't like that feeling.

  • @prispros6875
    @prispros6875 3 года назад +1

    Este comentário sobre a rainha da Inglaterra ...em comparação com o Dalai Lama....só posso entender porque ela representa a Igreja Anglicana...
    Achei bem infeliz...

    • @Steve-ul8qb
      @Steve-ul8qb 3 года назад

      Yes, i was shocked to here Rupert say that. That woman has evil in her eyes.

  • @heatherwhitehead3743
    @heatherwhitehead3743 3 года назад +3

    Why did Christ descend into hell after death?

    • @jan-martinulvag1962
      @jan-martinulvag1962 3 года назад

      He experienced hell in the flesh too. God can go freely between heaven and hell as he wishes . Jesus is not trapped in hell. He can come and leave as he choses

    • @PlatosPodcasts
      @PlatosPodcasts 3 года назад +3

      I think for what emerges to Dante's perception as the journey unfolds: paradise is the destiny - not whether or who but the far more interesting question of how.

  • @wehsee912
    @wehsee912 Год назад

    N37⭕️

  • @satyricusm
    @satyricusm 3 года назад

    Desire does NOT take you off track in Dante. Vernon is not completely off the mark, but for the most part, alas (gave a thumb up nonetheless). On Dante's Francesca, see my recent interview at ruclips.net/video/Y_sOwGO7Gs8/видео.html

  • @TomWick
    @TomWick 3 года назад

    24 minutes in on this ruclips.net/video/Hcn1TOYxLuE/видео.html the Amazing Dario Cecchini and his “The song of love” from Dante’s Inferno.