Anna Breytenbach, animal communicator, she's not doing anything particularly special or difficult, she simply practices inner silence and respect for the animals involved. Her simplicity is awesome.
Thank you both for your work. I seek the original Christian teachings, the mystic Christ. Professor Sheldrake and his thoughts and theories of this world and dogma held within science I am pondering. Reflecting on so many unexplained happenings and regular unexplained facts makes me know science does not recognize this physical realm in a complete way.
I've been listening to a few interviews with Michael Grosso about the nature of miracles. Though he discussed more of them associated with Catholicism, they certainly aren't restricted to that. I appreciate his curiosity and exuberance about the inexplicably positive. Pax et lux. ☆
@@Autobotmatt428 Thank you, I listened to his last sermon, about Naaman the Syrian. Humility and gratefulness are needed for any soul to enter Fathers Kingdom. But there IS mystic knowledge found in Bishop Barron's words. It is not in his words but his spirit when he teaches. Please listen and feel the mystic nature of Father. I would please ask you to read the Gospel of Thomas just one time. I know you will know these are the words of our savior to his disciples. Just image walking with him from Chorazin to Capernaum or sitting at the Sermon on the Mount.
@@robertforsythe3280 Aw I see i never considered that though I think I know what you are talking about thank you. Funny it is thanks to Peterson I know about Barron and Its thanks to Sheldrake and Vernon That I know Peterson. Crazy right
Rupert: Thomas Berry - the 10 principles & The New Story ... here on RUclips. You may already be familiar, if not... I imagine you will find his teachings valuable. Thank you for all and everything Rupert Sheldrake. 🌱 Nicky edit: Thomas Berry - The Twelve Principles ahhhh
Mark sounds excited and inspired by the idea of re-wilding Christianity - I completely understand his enthusiasm. I found a recent conversation between Martin Shaw and Jonathan Pageau particularly interesting (on More Christ channel).
Yikes. Since I'm from the American deep south, the word 'revival' sends shivers up my spine: it's difficult not to associate it with hateful bigots who used hellfire vs love in their evangelical fervor. Btw, I fully fathom the immense irony of my judgement of such folk. I'll be working on that, probably, for the rest of my days. Now, because it's time, I'll try to wrest the word back to its glorious original meaning. :-)
@@mortalclown3812 I mean a revival in more moderate Christianity not deep south fire and brimstone. I'm talking about a renewed interest an honest look and understanding of the faith with a bit more intellectual build. Like how Bishop Barron talks on his channel.
Christianity is not coming back until it gives up on hate gospel. Christianity is rejected not because of people being particularly attracted to atheism. But because of Christian cruelty and hate. Telling people they're gonna burn in hell just for being gay or spreading violently transphobic conspiracy's is what is actually killing Christianity. This hate gospel where Christians ruthlessly exclude anyone they don't like and violently demonise them, this is doing infinitely more harm to Christianity than any hardline Atheist could hope to do. And yet of all things, it's hate gospel that Christians have fought the hardest to preserve. Christians these days do not vote for socialised healthcare, climate change action or anything that Jesus himself would have wanted. They seem to be almost exclusively motivated by hate gospel to the point where political parties like the GOP will run more political ads demonizing trans people than they do talking about actual issues that affect people! Basically. The reason people abandon Christianity is because Christianity has become the opposite of Christ like.
Yes a revival of real Jesus and his truth, his way, his love and not patriarchy, hierarchy, creed and religion. Walking down the path of life with Jesus.
Great conversation. We might see a gradual "re-wrapping" of the language with more focus on the spiritual and mysticism in the coming years, also in the protestant and anglican branches. There seems to be a tremendous energy waiting there, that in small doses could revivify the theology and even more, ignite a very different personal inner experience.
Rupert, Not sure if this will help you or not. But every time Jesus uses the phrase "the Kingdom of Heaven" you can interchange it with "the Field of Heaven". If you go to Luke chapter 12 : 22-34 and try it out you will understand. Everything that manifests arrives via the power of the Field of Heaven, but it takes faith to know it exists and that we can align with it, there by having the ability to tap into it. Jesus was pointing to this with his teachings using the conventional language of the time.
In my opinion, we all have an innate sense of the divine, as Rupert Sheldrake describes. Religion is man’s attempt to intermediate this connection to the divine, and while it may contain inspiration and truth for some, it excludes others. Very often the theological language and concepts we are told we need to believe in are obstacles to our divine experience, and exclude many. Jesus remarked, I think more than once, that it was this individual experience that really mattered, not the edifice of religion. Another point that I would like to make is that secularism sprang from the Enlightenment, which was a rebellion against the dogmatic beliefs of religion. One reason science became distanced from religion was epitomised in the debate over evolution. Religion never accepted man’s ability, through reason and logic, to discover more about the world. However this more rational,approach has no conflict at all with a sense of the divine in my experience. It is the attempt of rationalists to assert that they can explain everything , and that anything they cannot explain does not exist, that is the problem..
Did the people who spent so much time with Jiddu Krishnamurti not understand any of the teachings that he laid down, everything that one would need to know to go beyond the dogma of religion was pretty clearly taught.
At the end of a commited mushroom dose I often find myself enthralled with mediaeval art. In particular the Byzantine Notre-Dame de Grace. I've never been to the Cambrai Cathedral; I'm sure it's beautiful, I have however had a high resolution copy of the tempera painting saved as my desktop background for the past 2 months.
Ich nehme nie Drogen und bin immer fasziniert was meine Vorfahren schufen . Ich kann nur schönes machen, wenn mein Geist in der Stimmung ist .Z.B mit Wut im Bauch würde ich irgendwas hinschmieren , wo dich dann die grellen Farben und wirre Formen anschreien , statt dich einzuladen deinen Blick und deinen Geist wandern zu lassen . Und ich bin überzeugt das die alten Meister das ähnlich erlebten , wenn sie selbstvergessen ihre Pinsel führen ließen .
Nice, but only useful so far. Take care your not just re-enforcing that which only "agrees" with the cycles of feedback triggered by the art. Take a break regularly, and watch or listen to contrasts too perhaps? For, remember, we can even see the story of Creation in a table leg as much as a painting. In which case, we are ploughing up new ground, just to fill it up with the same old, same old.
I think Christianity would appeal to so many more people if it was a bit wilder (in the sense implied by the title). It has it in it, to say the least!
Wonderful! But it is a pity that Rupert, when talking about the benefits of the old cathedrals, does not refer to the base from which most of those cathedrals were derived - i.e. using sacred geometry. The late Dr. Keith Critchlow thoroughly investigated and implemented his knowledge in that arena. Sacred geometry is all about the Grand Design - identifying and reflecting the geometric principles in all of creation. It's also worth mentioning perhaps that many temples in ancient civilisations utilised sacred geometry in their design. Including those in India.
Thank you both for this re enlightenment. I'm curious though, if we suddenly began saying, in mass, that we are all gods, how might we be viewed by the non-believers? I suspect that we would be attacked by both the Church and the State and be charged with heresy or lunacy. Do you have any thoughts on this matter? Thank you.
@@michelleburkholder2547 Thank you Michelle. I'm aware of these and have studied and learned from their teachings. As a pantheist I feel that I can find no common ground with any group of like-minded people, not one. I can't even tell my family and friends. I need no church nor worship. My only refuge is within Nature and my own inner knowing. I find it best to hide this truth from the world. I can mix with both Christians and Atheists alike, but they are not ready to accept this universal truth. The saddest part of it all is that they really don't know that they are gods, and I can't tell them. They wouldn't believe it if I did. Thanks.
Electric. In the Bible I read Christ was just as lonely as you are...seems you feel you should be looking for friends in the faith? But if you're looking for deep and extraordinary "connection" with ecstasy and manifestation, that's exactly what Christ taught. You should read the red parts of the New Testament (some Bibles' print the parts of text Christ said in red text). Is anyone more miserably alone than Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane? When push comes to shove, you're usually alone. It's the Book of Acts that emphasizes "group feel good" experience. Use discernment and understand what you're looking for CAN be commonality and personality connection, but it did NOT start out that way, not for The Christ, anyway. Maybe you already are what you're looking for. Humm?
@@barbarakiley1465 Thank you Barbara. The words of Jesus are a testimony of the awakening. Few hear his words. I know that I am never alone. I am surrounded by gods who dream they are not. We must let the children dream.
@@electrictao5180 Humans have a superiority complex. I am a Panentheist because I think all life, all living beings are "God." Animated creatures are made of the mineral kingdom particles, so perhaps that kingdom also is part of the whole. And I could go a step beyond that to charged particles... But no one has convinced me that the glue that holds everything together is an entity to itself.
I heard Terence McKenna say in one of his lectures that spiritual pursuits could be imagined as a continuum where pure scripturalists are placed at one pole and pure experientialists are placed at the opposite pole. Throughout history, Christian leadership seems to have been be domination by scripturalists, and the environments that they have created reflect that legalistic, formulaic relationship with the “transcendent.” This makes sense when one considers that Septuagint (Old Testament), God’s Law features prominently. In the 2nd century, Marcion of Sinope pointed out that the God of love as portrayed in the New Testament(s) bears very little resemblance to the wrathful, vengeful, jealous God found in the Old Testament. It is the Old Testament God that seems to have held sway since Christianity became the state religion of Rome, and it has left mountains of corpses in its wake. When people reject Christianity in preference for spirituality, I believe that it is this brutal authoritarian legacy that is being rejected. I’m of the opinion that a little bit of scripturalism goes a long way. I appreciate those beautiful, grand, contemplative, open spaces found in the great cathedrals in Europe. I visit them every chance I get, but although those buildings were commissioned and/or dedicated to the Church, they exist apart from scripturalism of Christianity, and belief in Jesus' divinity is not required to experience awe and spiritual connectedness one feels upon entering these places. This is so because one is having an experience, and the symbol that rides upon the spires of these buildings are have little importance. YMMV
At the end of a commited mushroom dose I often find myself enthralled with mediaeval art. In particular the Byzantine Notre-Dame de Grace. I've never been to the Cambrai Cathedral; I'm sure it's beautiful, I have however had a high resolution copy of the tempera painting saved as my desktop background for the past 2 months
@@christomorpho The devotional artwork in those old cathedrals are just stunning. I've not been back to the Hagia Sophia since it has been reconsecrated as a mosque, but if you have the opportunity, I would recommend it. Hopefully, they have preserved the frescos.
Mark sounds really excited and inspired by the idea of rewilding Christianity - I completely understand this enthusiasm! I found Martin Shaw's conversation with Jonathan Pageau (on More Christ) particularly interesting!
At the introduction, most of those thinkers are still very much mostly in the traditional vane. Really. And I only find ONE modern "Christian" writer who does truly break the mold: Dave Andrews "Christianarchy" He blew the enforced doors off the whole religious setup, and presents something very refreshing and renewing that NEEDS exploration.
There couldn't be Christians if there wasn't non Christians. They're two sides of the same coin, and they enter into reality simultaneously. The distinction is a purely abstract one. So to me this fuss over whether people are or aren't this or that, is like a storm in a glass of water. The stories in the Bible must and can speak for themselves, as with all the other fascinating mythological texts. If they're valid to the believers, they're valid to everyone.
Sixth sense is natural, not mystical or spiritual. It exists in a collective human psyche (We emerge from Cosmic energy) Our brains coupled with out central nervous system, operating as tuned devices, (tuned by thought and emotion) within that field. It is why we can sense each other. Some are better at it than others. Introverted sensors and feelers are good. Everyone is connected. Just few figure it out. Mystical can be sold. The truth is free.
Sorry Rupert, I do not agree with you saying that meditation is to do with something inside your head - at least REAL meditation isn't. I feel that Jesus practised real meditation. It's all part of understanding our part in consciousness. Examine fully the chakra system of India, for example, and if you look deeply enough it is far more than you describe in the real meditation of India. It is linked to the idea of "I am God" that Mark referred to - a method of linking oneself to God. I hope that helps.
Immortality is hidden. There is a human mind condition that is maintained which misses the mark and falls short. Observation of behavior shows that the human is rebellious and is generally predatory in actions and mental attributes, either inadvertently or purposely and no one is exempt. The biological human is driven to survive and this is developed into a personality that protects itself. In conversation words are empowered and are projected to induce a familiar connected response in others. This could range from love to fear. It would seem that there is awareness of each set of brain waves. The end result of the induced interaction is sickness old age and final death. It is probable that all biology is influenced by the wayward mental attributes emanating from humans. A rebellious nature means that people get into each others heads. This is something like a low level form of witchcraft that is not seen for what it is because most are of equal ability until compromised in some way. The whole aim is to capture others into distracting and intensive mind excursions where some will suffer exceptional disorder and potentially a nervous breakdown. God reveals in the scriptures that His request is that we Know Him. Jesus was tested in a tough environment but pushed through and developed a mind with its own nature that is regarded as divine, the Divine Nature. What Jesus did was acceptable to God and is the example to follow. Jesus managed to combine his will and God's will to then become one with God. The scriptures show how to unravel the mind connections of the rebellious. It is something like brain washing, a self induced separation from the natural state and then the Divine Nature allows access and the indwelling of God powerfully. It is a supernatural occurrence. This is the Kingdom of God. 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. Romans 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 12:2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will. It is apparent that by believing and speaking revelation the mind with its thoughts is transformed. A new nature becomes apparent. God is in a mind that is a little deeper and just beyond the mind that is usually thought from. The Eternal God is close and not far off. The Eternal God covers Himself in light as with a garment, creation is likened to a mist with a clothing of light. The atom is mostly space of the same proportion as outer space approximately 98% and light illuminates. This is something like an image.
It's nice that it's a fresh take on Christianity, but it's not new. Every time someone comes to accept Jesus/Yeshua as their savior, there is a newness and a freshnes that has existed since the beginning.
You can’t change a religion that exist for the fundamentals that it was founded on.. at that point you’re just confused and need some structure and you’re just creating a new religion. Academics see religion as like a academic traditional endeavor and never understand their spiritual nature. It becomes a practice and discipline and lacks spirituality.. if you’re truly spiritual you will not affiliate strictly with one religion, you will see the truth in them but understand that it’s a belief system
I find that many Christians do not actually 'study' the Canon. If they did. They would come to realise that it was written at least 70 years (Mark) after JC died and that is strongly based on here say and is very much like a Greek Play. It is so unrealistic to the point that they all copy and then add to Mark and the latest one being 'John' who plagiarised and then added some more little trinkets of info. My best convincing argument in it is that the four authors should actually (DISAGREE) with each other. (WHY?) Because you (reader) and I both know that whenever a group of people see an event. The story ALWAYS comes out differently in the actual details. Example. A person falls of a bicycle and is seen by ten people. Yes, they will all say he fell of the bicycle. (BUT) some will say he was cycling too fast, others will say too slow and others that he was being careful. Some will say he screamed twice, others once and others that he never screamed at all. This is a convincing story. (NOT) how the bible is written at all. NOT MENTIONING the other Gospels...
The year 70 AD (not 70 years after the ressurection) is used by sceptics in order to explain how the destruction of the temple can be predicted in the new testament. (Since this happened 70 AD) So the assuption that the events where non super natural is "baked in", rendering the date useless for honest inqury regarding supernatural origins (which is the whole crux of the events). But even granting this date, and using the same logic we must come to the conclusion that we can have no true information about the Korean war, Rosa Parks or Elvis. All early 1950. Now 70 years ago. Your example of ten witnesses and a bicycle have nothing to do with how information about major events propagates through history. You are correct in that a event witnessed by only a few people can be described unreliably. But you get the opposite effect if you interview hundreds. The signal will poke out through the noise. The church 70 years after the ressurection of Jesus still contained many members that where direct eye witnesses to the events described in the gospels (80-90 year olds). And most second and third generation members would have had the chance to talk extesively with the eye witnesses for decades. If the gospels where not a sufficient account of the core beliefs of this community they could never have been accepted. Also consider that a large amount of people, including the writers of the gospels where martyred for their beliefs during the early church persecutions. Emperor Nero started the official persecutions of christians in 64AD. They where killed because they refused to worship the emperor as God. Since that would have been to deny Christs divinity. People do not die for things they know to be false. They might be wrong, but they could not have been insincere.
I wish Dr. Sheldrake would apply and expose his thinking on the CDC unanimous decision of its Committee on Immunization Practices, who voted to add COVID-19 vaccines to the regular immunization schedule for all children, starting at the age of 6 months old. His silence is deafening.
The dreadful interference by man in the form of dogmatic Catholicism has ruined both the notion and practise of Christianity. There are now many organisations which have taken an alternative view of Christianity outside of formalised and dogmatic Church ideologies.
Is your theory that the "Real Christianity" Jesus tried to spread has been fatally misunderstood? If so by whom? The apostles, Paul, the early church fathers? If none of these, then during which church council did the error occur? And what, in your view, is this "Real Christianity"? How could you or anyone else know anything about it? Two millenium have passed, and if not even the first pupils of Jesus himself could understand and spread it successfully, what hope is there for you? Add to this that Jesus did not claim to be God in the modern new age way. He was talking to monotheistic Jews of the 1st century. A people for whom simply saying Gods name was a crime punishable with death. For him to mean "God" in the new age way he would have had to be one of historys worst communicators!
I know no Christians. Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Luke 14:33 So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple. Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
I've liked Rupert for many years, but these days, I find too many of his videos are Christian themed, which if I'm being honest, I find a bit of a turn off. Even if it is a Matthew Fox style, mystical Christianity.
Life is a fickle thing. Humans tend to think in a way they are raised or have learned. It is most difficult to change a opinion learned. Todays modern and diverse religion can be so solid in its nature, western Christianity being among the most related to the word cannon. While the original Christ taught a much different mind set. Understanding all the different Christian Religions may open your mind. To understand why they are what they are. My goal is trying to seek a chair beside the 12 disciples when Christ brought his words. I wish you well and hope you let up just a little and understand Religion is more man made than not of the spirit.
Perhaps you should test Christianity to see if its claims are actually true? Should you not care more for what is true rather than your personal opinion?
@@robertforsythe3280 You wrote: "While the original Christ taught a much different mindset." It would be interesting to learn what this mindset is, and how you have come to know that this is the mindset that Jesus taught. I ask because I suspect that you instead are projecting your personal and comfortable new age beliefs upon a 2000 year old message you dont like at all. Jesus was quite specific in that he started ONE church for example. So if you give him even the smallest credibility you must conclude that he would be strongly against there being "different christian religions".
Christianity is not supposed to be a religion.. you’re following a man’s idea of the spiritual nature of being human.. why are you being a follower i instead of driving your own boat? Take the wisdom and do with it what’s good for you, the problem of religion is you go around trying to convert people to believe and do as you do.
Cannot believe Rupert is 80! Very thankful for his generosity. Inspiring man ✴️
Yay something worthwhile to watch on a Friday night. Thank you!
Thank you both so much for this affirming and informative discussion.
The timing of this episode is absolutely impeccable in my life at the moment. Thank you so much for posting. Much love to both of you
Funny how that works, that impeccable timing.
My life as well
Wonderful. It certainly does strike a chord. Thank you both.
thank you for these conversations
Wonderful conversation. Thank you both. Always so inspiring.
Excellent conversation, thank you
Thanks for reminding us Rupert for when you wish upon a star your dreams come true.
O Heavenly King, O Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, Who are everywhere present and fillest all things, come and abide in us...
Anna Breytenbach, animal communicator, she's not doing anything particularly special or difficult, she simply practices inner silence and respect for the animals involved. Her simplicity is awesome.
Thank you both for your work. I seek the original Christian teachings, the mystic Christ. Professor Sheldrake and his thoughts and theories of this world and dogma held within science I am pondering. Reflecting on so many unexplained happenings and regular unexplained facts makes me know science does not recognize this physical realm in a complete way.
I've been listening to a few interviews with Michael Grosso about the nature of miracles. Though he discussed more of them associated with Catholicism, they certainly aren't restricted to that. I appreciate his curiosity and exuberance about the inexplicably positive. Pax et lux. ☆
Its not mystic but I recommend Bishop Barron he makes great video
@@Autobotmatt428 Thank you, I listened to his last sermon, about Naaman the Syrian. Humility and gratefulness are needed for any soul to enter Fathers Kingdom. But there IS mystic knowledge found in Bishop Barron's words. It is not in his words but his spirit when he teaches. Please listen and feel the mystic nature of Father. I would please ask you to read the Gospel of Thomas just one time. I know you will know these are the words of our savior to his disciples. Just image walking with him from Chorazin to Capernaum or sitting at the Sermon on the Mount.
@@robertforsythe3280 Aw I see i never considered that though I think I know what you are talking about thank you. Funny it is thanks to Peterson I know about Barron and Its thanks to Sheldrake and Vernon That I know Peterson. Crazy right
Nor does Christian bullshit.
Thank you rupert
Rupert: Thomas Berry - the 10 principles & The New Story ... here on RUclips. You may already be familiar, if not... I imagine you will find his teachings valuable. Thank you for all and everything Rupert Sheldrake.
🌱 Nicky
edit: Thomas Berry - The Twelve Principles ahhhh
Fabulous as ever - thank you!
Sheldrake preaches a better homily here than most pulpits!
Mark sounds excited and inspired by the idea of re-wilding Christianity - I completely understand his enthusiasm. I found a recent conversation between Martin Shaw and Jonathan Pageau particularly interesting (on More Christ channel).
Old style materialism as a world view is actually threadbare and moth eaten. Lol. Blessings to you gentlemen.
I hope this does lead to a revival in someway.
Yikes. Since I'm from the American deep south, the word 'revival' sends shivers up my spine: it's difficult not to associate it with hateful bigots who used hellfire vs love in their evangelical fervor. Btw, I fully fathom the immense irony of my judgement of such folk. I'll be working on that, probably, for the rest of my days. Now, because it's time, I'll try to wrest the word back to its glorious original meaning. :-)
@@mortalclown3812 I mean a revival in more moderate Christianity not deep south fire and brimstone. I'm talking about a renewed interest an honest look and understanding of the faith with a bit more intellectual build. Like how Bishop Barron talks on his channel.
Christianity is not coming back until it gives up on hate gospel.
Christianity is rejected not because of people being particularly attracted to atheism. But because of Christian cruelty and hate.
Telling people they're gonna burn in hell just for being gay or spreading violently transphobic conspiracy's is what is actually killing Christianity. This hate gospel where Christians ruthlessly exclude anyone they don't like and violently demonise them, this is doing infinitely more harm to Christianity than any hardline Atheist could hope to do.
And yet of all things, it's hate gospel that Christians have fought the hardest to preserve. Christians these days do not vote for socialised healthcare, climate change action or anything that Jesus himself would have wanted. They seem to be almost exclusively motivated by hate gospel to the point where political parties like the GOP will run more political ads demonizing trans people than they do talking about actual issues that affect people!
Basically. The reason people abandon Christianity is because Christianity has become the opposite of Christ like.
Yes a revival of real Jesus and his truth, his way, his love and not patriarchy, hierarchy, creed and religion. Walking down the path of life with Jesus.
Great conversation. We might see a gradual "re-wrapping" of the language with more focus on the spiritual and mysticism in the coming years, also in the protestant and anglican branches. There seems to be a tremendous energy waiting there, that in small doses could revivify the theology and even more, ignite a very different personal inner experience.
Rupert, Not sure if this will help you or not. But every time Jesus uses the phrase "the Kingdom of Heaven" you can interchange it with "the Field of Heaven". If you go to Luke chapter 12 : 22-34 and try it out you will understand. Everything that manifests arrives via the power of the Field of Heaven, but it takes faith to know it exists and that we can align with it, there by having the ability to tap into it. Jesus was pointing to this with his teachings using the conventional language of the time.
This interview is a rich ecology of open awareness
The biblical prediction of the reconvergence of all religions.
In my opinion, we all have an innate sense of the divine, as Rupert Sheldrake describes. Religion is man’s attempt to intermediate this connection to the divine, and while it may contain inspiration and truth for some, it excludes others. Very often the theological language and concepts we are told we need to believe in are obstacles to our divine experience, and exclude many. Jesus remarked, I think more than once, that it was this individual experience that really mattered, not the edifice of religion.
Another point that I would like to make is that secularism sprang from the Enlightenment, which was a rebellion against the dogmatic beliefs of religion. One reason science became distanced from religion was epitomised in the debate over evolution. Religion never accepted man’s ability, through reason and logic, to discover more about the world. However this more rational,approach has no conflict at all with a sense of the divine in my experience. It is the attempt of rationalists to assert that they can explain everything , and that anything they cannot explain does not exist, that is the problem..
Did the people who spent so much time with Jiddu Krishnamurti not understand any of the teachings that he laid down, everything that one would need to know to go beyond the dogma of religion was pretty clearly taught.
At the end of a commited mushroom dose I often find myself enthralled with mediaeval art. In particular the Byzantine Notre-Dame de Grace. I've never been to the Cambrai Cathedral; I'm sure it's beautiful, I have however had a high resolution copy of the tempera painting saved as my desktop background for the past 2 months.
Ich nehme nie Drogen und bin immer fasziniert was meine Vorfahren schufen . Ich kann nur schönes machen, wenn mein Geist in der Stimmung ist .Z.B mit Wut im Bauch würde ich irgendwas hinschmieren , wo dich dann die grellen Farben und wirre Formen anschreien , statt dich einzuladen deinen Blick und deinen Geist wandern zu lassen .
Und ich bin überzeugt das die alten Meister das ähnlich erlebten , wenn sie selbstvergessen ihre Pinsel führen ließen .
Nice, but only useful so far.
Take care your not just re-enforcing that which only "agrees" with the cycles of feedback triggered by the art.
Take a break regularly, and watch or listen to contrasts too perhaps?
For, remember, we can even see the story of Creation in a table leg as much as a painting.
In which case, we are ploughing up new ground, just to fill it up with the same old, same old.
@@deejannemeiurffnicht1791I like to look at it because it makes me laugh. The way the baby clenches her face 😂 gets me everytime
I think Christianity would appeal to so many more people if it was a bit wilder (in the sense implied by the title). It has it in it, to say the least!
Wonderful! But it is a pity that Rupert, when talking about the benefits of the old cathedrals, does not refer to the base from which most of those cathedrals were derived - i.e. using sacred geometry. The late Dr. Keith Critchlow thoroughly investigated and implemented his knowledge in that arena. Sacred geometry is all about the Grand Design - identifying and reflecting the geometric principles in all of creation.
It's also worth mentioning perhaps that many temples in ancient civilisations utilised sacred geometry in their design. Including those in India.
The "Give Light" channel, an ex-muslim christian understanding Him!
Thank you both for this re enlightenment. I'm curious though, if we suddenly began saying, in mass, that we are all gods, how might we be viewed by the non-believers?
I suspect that we would be attacked by both the Church and the State and be charged with heresy or lunacy.
Do you have any thoughts on this matter? Thank you.
You might be interested in Gnostic Christianity and the Nag Hammadi. Heretical Christians have quite a long history.
@@michelleburkholder2547 Thank you Michelle. I'm aware of these and have studied and learned from their teachings.
As a pantheist I feel that I can find no common ground with any group of like-minded people, not one. I can't even tell my family and friends. I need no church nor worship. My only refuge is within Nature and my own inner knowing. I find it best to hide this truth from the world. I can mix with both Christians and Atheists alike, but they are not ready to accept this universal truth.
The saddest part of it all is that they really don't know that they are gods, and I can't tell them. They wouldn't believe it if I did. Thanks.
Electric. In the Bible I read Christ was just as lonely as you are...seems you feel you should be looking for friends in the faith? But if you're looking for deep and extraordinary "connection" with ecstasy and manifestation, that's exactly what Christ taught. You should read the red parts of the New Testament (some Bibles' print the parts of text Christ said in red text). Is anyone more miserably alone than Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane? When push comes to shove, you're usually alone. It's the Book of Acts that emphasizes "group feel good" experience. Use discernment and understand what you're looking for CAN be commonality and personality connection, but it did NOT start out that way, not for The Christ, anyway. Maybe you already are what you're looking for. Humm?
@@barbarakiley1465 Thank you Barbara. The words of Jesus are a testimony of the awakening. Few hear his words.
I know that I am never alone. I am surrounded by gods who dream they are not. We must let the children dream.
@@electrictao5180 Humans have a superiority complex. I am a Panentheist because I think all life, all living beings are "God." Animated creatures are made of the mineral kingdom particles, so perhaps that kingdom also is part of the whole. And I could go a step beyond that to charged particles... But no one has convinced me that the glue that holds everything together is an entity to itself.
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I heard Terence McKenna say in one of his lectures that spiritual pursuits could be imagined as a continuum where pure scripturalists are placed at one pole and pure experientialists are placed at the opposite pole. Throughout history, Christian leadership seems to have been be domination by scripturalists, and the environments that they have created reflect that legalistic, formulaic relationship with the “transcendent.” This makes sense when one considers that Septuagint (Old Testament), God’s Law features prominently.
In the 2nd century, Marcion of Sinope pointed out that the God of love as portrayed in the New Testament(s) bears very little resemblance to the wrathful, vengeful, jealous God found in the Old Testament. It is the Old Testament God that seems to have held sway since Christianity became the state religion of Rome, and it has left mountains of corpses in its wake. When people reject Christianity in preference for spirituality, I believe that it is this brutal authoritarian legacy that is being rejected. I’m of the opinion that a little bit of scripturalism goes a long way.
I appreciate those beautiful, grand, contemplative, open spaces found in the great cathedrals in Europe. I visit them every chance I get, but although those buildings were commissioned and/or dedicated to the Church, they exist apart from scripturalism of Christianity, and belief in Jesus' divinity is not required to experience awe and spiritual connectedness one feels upon entering these places. This is so because one is having an experience, and the symbol that rides upon the spires of these buildings are have little importance. YMMV
At the end of a commited mushroom dose I often find myself enthralled with mediaeval art. In particular the Byzantine Notre-Dame de Grace. I've never been to the Cambrai Cathedral; I'm sure it's beautiful, I have however had a high resolution copy of the tempera painting saved as my desktop background for the past 2 months
@@christomorpho The devotional artwork in those old cathedrals are just stunning. I've not been back to the Hagia Sophia since it has been reconsecrated as a mosque, but if you have the opportunity, I would recommend it. Hopefully, they have preserved the frescos.
Mark sounds really excited and inspired by the idea of rewilding Christianity - I completely understand this enthusiasm! I found Martin Shaw's conversation with Jonathan Pageau (on More Christ) particularly interesting!
At the introduction, most of those thinkers are still very much mostly in the traditional vane. Really.
And I only find ONE modern "Christian" writer who does truly break the mold: Dave Andrews "Christianarchy"
He blew the enforced doors off the whole religious setup, and presents something very refreshing and renewing that NEEDS exploration.
Interesting read is "Christi-anarchy" by Andrews
Dude would benefit from making contact.
There couldn't be Christians if there wasn't non Christians. They're two sides of the same coin, and they enter into reality simultaneously. The distinction is a purely abstract one. So to me this fuss over whether people are or aren't this or that, is like a storm in a glass of water. The stories in the Bible must and can speak for themselves, as with all the other fascinating mythological texts. If they're valid to the believers, they're valid to everyone.
R.S. .....................our telescope is snooping on the universe , morphic resonance in effect ......MIC DROP R.S. !!!!!!
Sixth sense is natural, not mystical or spiritual. It exists in a collective human psyche (We emerge from Cosmic energy) Our brains coupled with out central nervous system, operating as tuned devices, (tuned by thought and emotion) within that field. It is why we can sense each other. Some are better at it than others. Introverted sensors and feelers are good. Everyone is connected. Just few figure it out. Mystical can be sold. The truth is free.
Sorry Rupert, I do not agree with you saying that meditation is to do with something inside your head - at least REAL meditation isn't. I feel that Jesus practised real meditation. It's all part of understanding our part in consciousness.
Examine fully the chakra system of India, for example, and if you look deeply enough it is far more than you describe in the real meditation of India. It is linked to the idea of "I am God" that Mark referred to - a method of linking oneself to God. I hope that helps.
Immortality is hidden. There is a human mind condition that is maintained which misses the mark and falls short. Observation of behavior shows that the human is rebellious and is generally predatory in actions and mental attributes, either inadvertently or purposely and no one is exempt. The biological human is driven to survive and this is developed into a personality that protects itself. In conversation words are empowered and are projected to induce a familiar connected response in others. This could range from love to fear. It would seem that there is awareness of each set of brain waves. The end result of the induced interaction is sickness old age and final death. It is probable that all biology is influenced by the wayward mental attributes emanating from humans.
A rebellious nature means that people get into each others heads. This is something like a low level form of witchcraft that is not seen for what it is because most are of equal ability until compromised in some way. The whole aim is to capture others into distracting and intensive mind excursions where some will suffer exceptional disorder and potentially a nervous breakdown.
God reveals in the scriptures that His request is that we Know Him. Jesus was tested in a tough environment but pushed through and developed a mind with its own nature that is regarded as divine, the Divine Nature. What Jesus did was acceptable to God and is the example to follow. Jesus managed to combine his will and God's will to then become one with God.
The scriptures show how to unravel the mind connections of the rebellious. It is something like brain washing, a self induced separation from the natural state and then the Divine Nature allows access and the indwelling of God powerfully. It is a supernatural occurrence. This is the Kingdom of God.
2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 12:2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will.
It is apparent that by believing and speaking revelation the mind with its thoughts is transformed. A new nature becomes apparent.
God is in a mind that is a little deeper and just beyond the mind that is usually thought from. The Eternal God is close and not far off. The Eternal God covers Himself in light as with a garment, creation is likened to a mist with a clothing of light. The atom is mostly space of the same proportion as outer space approximately 98% and light illuminates. This is something like an image.
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It's nice that it's a fresh take on Christianity, but it's not new. Every time someone comes to accept Jesus/Yeshua as their savior, there is a newness and a freshnes that has existed since the beginning.
"God doesn't play dice". Einstein. 🌈🦉
You can’t change a religion that exist for the fundamentals that it was founded on.. at that point you’re just confused and need some structure and you’re just creating a new religion. Academics see religion as like a academic traditional endeavor and never understand their spiritual nature. It becomes a practice and discipline and lacks spirituality.. if you’re truly spiritual you will not affiliate strictly with one religion, you will see the truth in them but understand that it’s a belief system
In the spirit world, the afterlife there are no religions.
I find that many Christians do not actually 'study' the Canon. If they did. They would come to realise that it was written at least 70 years (Mark) after JC died and that is strongly based on here say and is very much like a Greek Play. It is so unrealistic to the point that they all copy and then add to Mark and the latest one being 'John' who plagiarised and then added some more little trinkets of info. My best convincing argument in it is that the four authors should actually (DISAGREE) with each other. (WHY?) Because you (reader) and I both know that whenever a group of people see an event. The story ALWAYS comes out differently in the actual details. Example. A person falls of a bicycle and is seen by ten people. Yes, they will all say he fell of the bicycle. (BUT) some will say he was cycling too fast, others will say too slow and others that he was being careful. Some will say he screamed twice, others once and others that he never screamed at all. This is a convincing story. (NOT) how the bible is written at all. NOT MENTIONING the other Gospels...
The year 70 AD (not 70 years after the ressurection) is used by sceptics in order to explain how the destruction of the temple can be predicted in the new testament. (Since this happened 70 AD) So the assuption that the events where non super natural is "baked in", rendering the date useless for honest inqury regarding supernatural origins (which is the whole crux of the events).
But even granting this date, and using the same logic we must come to the conclusion that we can have no true information about the Korean war, Rosa Parks or Elvis. All early 1950. Now 70 years ago.
Your example of ten witnesses and a bicycle have nothing to do with how information about major events propagates through history. You are correct in that a event witnessed by only a few people can be described unreliably. But you get the opposite effect if you interview hundreds. The signal will poke out through the noise.
The church 70 years after the ressurection of Jesus still contained many members that where direct eye witnesses to the events described in the gospels (80-90 year olds). And most second and third generation members would have had the chance to talk extesively with the eye witnesses for decades. If the gospels where not a sufficient account of the core beliefs of this community they could never have been accepted.
Also consider that a large amount of people, including the writers of the gospels where martyred for their beliefs during the early church persecutions. Emperor Nero started the official persecutions of christians in 64AD.
They where killed because they refused to worship the emperor as God. Since that would have been to deny Christs divinity.
People do not die for things they know to be false. They might be wrong, but they could not have been insincere.
@@elendil354 I bow to your greater of the subject(s)
I wish Dr. Sheldrake would apply and expose his thinking on the CDC unanimous decision of its Committee on Immunization Practices, who voted to add COVID-19 vaccines to the regular immunization schedule for all children, starting at the age of 6 months old.
His silence is deafening.
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The dreadful interference by man in the form of dogmatic Catholicism has ruined both the notion and practise of Christianity. There are now many organisations which have taken an alternative view of Christianity outside of formalised and dogmatic Church ideologies.
Is your theory that the "Real Christianity" Jesus tried to spread has been fatally misunderstood? If so by whom? The apostles, Paul, the early church fathers?
If none of these, then during which church council did the error occur?
And what, in your view, is this "Real Christianity"? How could you or anyone else know anything about it? Two millenium have passed, and if not even the first pupils of Jesus himself could understand and spread it successfully, what hope is there for you?
Add to this that Jesus did not claim to be God in the modern new age way. He was talking to monotheistic Jews of the 1st century. A people for whom simply saying Gods name was a crime punishable with death.
For him to mean "God" in the new age way he would have had to be one of historys worst communicators!
I know no Christians.
Luke 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Luke 14:33
So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
I've liked Rupert for many years, but these days, I find too many of his videos are Christian themed, which if I'm being honest, I find a bit of a turn off. Even if it is a Matthew Fox style, mystical Christianity.
Life is a fickle thing. Humans tend to think in a way they are raised or have learned. It is most difficult to change a opinion learned. Todays modern and diverse religion can be so solid in its nature, western Christianity being among the most related to the word cannon. While the original Christ taught a much different mind set. Understanding all the different Christian Religions may open your mind. To understand why they are what they are. My goal is trying to seek a chair beside the 12 disciples when Christ brought his words. I wish you well and hope you let up just a little and understand Religion is more man made than not of the spirit.
Perhaps you should test Christianity to see if its claims are actually true? Should you not care more for what is true rather than your personal opinion?
@@robertforsythe3280 You wrote: "While the original Christ taught a much different mindset." It would be interesting to learn what this mindset is, and how you have come to know that this is the mindset that Jesus taught.
I ask because I suspect that you instead are projecting your personal and comfortable new age beliefs upon a 2000 year old message you dont like at all.
Jesus was quite specific in that he started ONE church for example. So if you give him even the smallest credibility you must conclude that he would be strongly against there being "different christian religions".
Wonder what RS think about this thesis: ruclips.net/video/SUPoLMW6dNM/видео.html
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Christianity is not supposed to be a religion.. you’re following a man’s idea of the spiritual nature of being human.. why are you being a follower i instead of driving your own boat? Take the wisdom and do with it what’s good for you, the problem of religion is you go around trying to convert people to believe and do as you do.
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