Favorite things in this video besides the usual insane Joonbob polish: My favorite intro so far Knockback tower animations so clean its crazy "Random" boomdive and lariat naming structure (I always gotta remind myself about Infernal Spin -> Random Lariat) "He's still pounding" Perfect view of the amazing enrage Several carefully inserted melee greed tricks 11/10 video
YES!! Thank you so much for making this one! One of my groups has been doing these strats since the beginning, because we use the raidplan slides. But PF uses a completely different strat for Fusedown and Fusefield. I'm hoping that perhaps we'll see more raidplan (now can also be referred to as Joonbob) strats in PF soon. Either way, fantastic guides, as usual! :)
thank you. it was the most common on aether PF early on, now you’ll see it uncommonly~occasionally usually during the early parts of the week, but isn’t complete unused.
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my surprise to see a TOSHINDEN SONG!! ah. used to love that series!! thanks for the brilliant guide and nod to one of my favorite fighters. it was really well-suited for this!!
Things I noticed that differ from pf in Aether. 0:53 Octoboom Dive: MT directly under the boss, up against the wall the boss is on. M1 Left M2 Right OT south of the boss. All at max melee. For tanks, hit invuln when Knuckle Sandwich cast bar hits the i in Sandwich. That's it. Nice job and thank you for showing the pastebin strat over Hectors. As always keep up the amazing work! PF thanks you!
also placements on the fusedown. I mean I'm usually melee so my spot I don't think would change with this either way, but it looks much different for ranged and healers. i am SOOO looking forward to failing this mech all over again because people can't get their strats straight *sarcasm* And fusefield. It's ALWAYS been TTHH MMRR CW from TN. Why can't people just stick to one way of doing things? If it ain't broke don't fix it.
@@userbunny14 im used to rmmr. Back in P8S ranged would get first spot during snake prio while melee got second. So party 2 is clockwise from A, so ranged 2 would get first fuse that applies to them then melee. Party 1 is NW ccw so ranged 1 would get first fuse that applies to them and melee second, which is how the video shows it.
@@userbunny14 "Why can't people just stick to one way of doing things? If it ain't broke don't fix it." Might want to get your timeline straightened. The predominate strat since week 1 in NA partyfinder in Aether was using raidplan/shaba pastebin along with RMMR. What you're used to and are describing came after. Players were already sticking to one way until arbitrarily people decided to swap. By your logic there was nothing to fix to begin with but it was broken instead.
@@userbunny14 MMRR fusefield? So M1 has to suffer with no positionals if they get long north? smh people don't realize that RMMR was the week 1 pastebin strat for a reason
Hello JoonBob, I just want to let you know that ive been using your guides religiously since edens promise days, and that recently in my static, one of my dps said that your guides are basically cocomelon for him
Only thing I wish was different was using the same spreads that pretty much every other guide uses for octoboom dive, scared tanks are gonna overlap melees on it
Mr. FreakyBob I applaud the cinematic release of the M3S Guide | Pickup Guide | Freakybob however I must say that because I could not get an early viewing at the Chinese Red Theater in Hollywood for this video, I have been kicked from my static Rainbow Sprinkles Sunshine. I will now develop an addiction to Schedule 1 Narcotics as a result of this tragic event. As I sit in this public bathroom stall, shitting and crying, this video remains as a constant reminder of my own failures that I will now place on to you. Excellent video and there is nothing else that could possibly beat this video in quality. 7/10
Can't wait for you to give us a M4S sunrise guide breakdown, cuz my god. I been stuck on sunrise for 2 weeks now. Not sure if im the problem being a pixel off or I'm just being sniped across the room.
If you or somebody else is logging, you can check in the log. Watch the log replay and look at everyone's positions when the cannons fire and you can see if somebody is out of position. The positioning is pretty strict regardless of which strat you use.
Depending in the tank line up, you can invuln the first 2 TBs, share the 3rd, then invuln the last 2, my group dud it with paladin first then gunbreaker, the cooldown for the paladin comesback for the 4th buster
I am not sure about putting supports CW is the right call given NA PF predominantly uses 1A2 markers and supports CCW. It'll cause unnecessary confusion.
@@rithli That's opposite of my experience, actually. I did M3S week 1 and then did it on my alt on EU about...week 4? And it's never been anything but 1A2 markers with CCW. I assume it's to preserve G1/G2 but in the end whatever works, works. I don't mean to demean your guide btw! Always a big fan of them.
@@Reddomi i cleared Week 1 and onward aswell, it's always been 4a1 markers and support clockwise and still tends to be outside of a few niche groups I've been in on NA. The groups that run 1A2 are Hector groups, which I avoid like the plague
@@furen4962 That's interesting, given even Yukizuri's week 1 guide contains 1A2 (though he recommends cardinals for it). I don't really know any other guides outside of it. But thank you for the insight, I feel I really never saw 4A1 this time around somehow (I do not really subscribe to "Hector" strats either).
@@mx4690Even Hector himself says at the start of his videos "new or different strats will come out please adjust" I have to assume at this point it's not the haters putting him off making guides but people like you who stick to his Day 1 strat forever and put people off of raiding on PF entirely. This in turn puts the blame on Hector even though he himself says to adapt and embrace different strats.
It's literally one of the most straightforward savage fights with a reasonable dps check that does not allow many mistakes. Mechanics wise it is nothing compared with any previous 3rd fights (even p11s has a few much more logically complex mechanics that roadblock people)
First things first, i love the video, but this might be my biased experience, but most of the time, i have seen fusefield be MMRR clockwise from North/A marker
Where did the comment go discussing the difference between this strat vs Hector's? Did Joonbob delete it??? 😂 I'll be honest and say that Hector's was easier for me to understand and immediately helped reduce wipes in my static... like, aren't they both at the core the same and just solved slightly differently? People learn strats differently, idk why everyone is being so petty.
if all the discussions going on are any indication i don't delete comments lol people can have their opinions and prefs i'm just depicting how these sets of strats are done
sort by newest comments first and you'll see every comment. nothing was deleted. some are just downvoted (which you can't see) and they sometimes won't show if sorted by most popular.
Weird, where did the reply of a guy that was defending Hector and TN Fusedown go? And their original comment that was (rightfully so) calling TN Fusedown the superior strat vanished as well...
Hector's strat is pretty easy, though, since you only have 2 set markers you need to go to depending on who has short and long timers; same as this. But if my static had seen this method sooner, we likely would have preferred solving it this way to make it easier on the ranged/casters. Having the lone bomb North is an interesting method of resolving it.
@@asatowolfe I love how i only need to look at the bomb pattern and my fuse length to solve the mech...wait what? You're telling me I need to look at two different floor markers too?? But why?????????
@@Darkstrawberry15 The Hector Strat is easy, too, though. For example, M1/MT can look at the same two spots every time. Whoever has the short fuse goes to the first safe zone; then, the second long fuse goes to the other. It's not really much thinking involved with either strat; it just comes down to preference, really. There are set locations every time with both strats.
@@asatowolfe Since you already need to look at the bomb pattern to find the first safe zone, why not just spread using the bomb pattern too? Isn't finding your spread markers and locating the safe zone at the same time just extra work?
@@smrqunofficialGod forbid we have options some of Hector strats are overcomplicated for the sake of overcomplication. Half of M2 can be winged with no set positions and no loss of uptime, the fight design itself isnt boring, Hectors strats are.
So are Hector's strats too complicated or are they too boring? And if you want no set positions, then do you think Joonbob's strat with set positions is also boring? And if you want options then why hate on Hector for having different ones? To be clear, there's nothing wrong with having options, assuming they both have their own pros and cons. *This* option, however, is not very good compared to the alternative. Ultimately it resolves things 80% the same as the Hector strat, except during first fuses it crams both ranged together into the relative-south safe spot while leaving the relative-north safe spot empty for no good reason. Uptime is the same but the safe spots are smaller--it's strictly worse. As a H1 I was already ignoring this strat during week 1 and using the relative-north safe spot since nobody else was there. Hector's not infallible, either. Switching the birthday cake prio from RMMR to MMRR was completely arbitrary and only confused things during the week his video dropped. Of course, I don't think trying to switch it *back* to RMMR will do PF any favors, either.
Or you can learn to adjust and just run to a different spot instead of your precious Hector assigned spot you got plenty of time lol you're telling people not to try newer strats that aren't in a day one video it's just holding PF back as a whole
@@BigChilla420 ?Have you entertained the possibility that when you join the HECTOR party you are supposed to be doing the HECTOR start not the PASTEBIN/RHINON strat?
@@mx4690I prog mostly blind and yes I join your parties without watching Hector or a guide at all just to grief the Hectorlite cult and actually have fun getting my clear at least til Joonbob guide drops.
I never click the pastebin, I just try the mech for myself then let people in the party try and teach me the proper strat. Whether its hector or pastebin I adapt like a gamer does.
@@Asmodelta this is exactly how every single PF I've been in has done it. Aether. TTHH MMRR CW from TN. And I wont be joining any parties who do it otherwise.
Was not expecting Brute Bomber to flip me off before the fight even begins. Sounds exactly like something he'd do though.
I'll be honest, part of the reason I enjoy watching your guides is the editing. The music choice and animations are just so well done
Your guides are still top tier, I learned some greedy WAR uptime and I loved the first 10 seconds of the video. Good stuff joonbob!
Favorite things in this video besides the usual insane Joonbob polish:
My favorite intro so far
Knockback tower animations so clean its crazy
"Random" boomdive and lariat naming structure (I always gotta remind myself about Infernal Spin -> Random Lariat)
"He's still pounding"
Perfect view of the amazing enrage
Several carefully inserted melee greed tricks
11/10 video
You just gotta watch a joonbob guide asap even if you have cleared. The editing and music is just too good
YES!! Thank you so much for making this one! One of my groups has been doing these strats since the beginning, because we use the raidplan slides. But PF uses a completely different strat for Fusedown and Fusefield. I'm hoping that perhaps we'll see more raidplan (now can also be referred to as Joonbob) strats in PF soon. Either way, fantastic guides, as usual! :)
thank you. it was the most common on aether PF early on, now you’ll see it uncommonly~occasionally usually during the early parts of the week, but isn’t complete unused.
Love the way you do your guides. Much love for making these
i was waiting for this, thank you ! Still loving your first guide i watched many years ago ^^ I can't clear without it
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ngl bro, the bomberman soundtrack is a nice touch
Instantly recognized Redial from Bomberman Hero, great work on that
my surprise to see a TOSHINDEN SONG!! ah. used to love that series!! thanks for the brilliant guide and nod to one of my favorite fighters. it was really well-suited for this!!
If this guide doesn't have you looking for a referee to assault, you need to watch it again.
video was solid as always, ty ty for the hard work man
joonbob with the banger guides once again, cheers!
Things I noticed that differ from pf in Aether.
0:53 Octoboom Dive: MT directly under the boss, up against the wall the boss is on. M1 Left M2 Right OT south of the boss. All at max melee.
For tanks, hit invuln when Knuckle Sandwich cast bar hits the i in Sandwich.
That's it. Nice job and thank you for showing the pastebin strat over Hectors. As always keep up the amazing work! PF thanks you!
also placements on the fusedown. I mean I'm usually melee so my spot I don't think would change with this either way, but it looks much different for ranged and healers.
i am SOOO looking forward to failing this mech all over again because people can't get their strats straight *sarcasm*
And fusefield. It's ALWAYS been TTHH MMRR CW from TN.
Why can't people just stick to one way of doing things? If it ain't broke don't fix it.
@@userbunny14 im used to rmmr.
Back in P8S ranged would get first spot during snake prio while melee got second. So party 2 is clockwise from A, so ranged 2 would get first fuse that applies to them then melee. Party 1 is NW ccw so ranged 1 would get first fuse that applies to them and melee second, which is how the video shows it.
@@userbunny14 "Why can't people just stick to one way of doing things? If it ain't broke don't fix it."
Might want to get your timeline straightened.
The predominate strat since week 1 in NA partyfinder in Aether was using raidplan/shaba pastebin along with RMMR.
What you're used to and are describing came after. Players were already sticking to one way until arbitrarily people decided to swap.
By your logic there was nothing to fix to begin with but it was broken instead.
@@userbunny14 MMRR fusefield? So M1 has to suffer with no positionals if they get long north? smh
people don't realize that RMMR was the week 1 pastebin strat for a reason
@@Darkstrawberry15 positionals are disabled during fusefield no?
GOAT’d for the Battle Arena Toshinden OST(and of course the guide)
this is literally what I was waiting for, joonbob ya did it again!!!!
um also what does RMMR stand for? lol
Ranged, Melee, M, R or Heal, Tank, T, H for HTTH.
Ty for the guide Lord Joon
I see a specific sage that forgets a certain green icon in this footage !sch
she'll remember kardia one day
Hello JoonBob, I just want to let you know that ive been using your guides religiously since edens promise days, and that recently in my static, one of my dps said that your guides are basically cocomelon for him
Joonbob my beloved
S TIER GUIDE
EVERYONE IN PF HAS BEEN BLOWN
Only thing I wish was different was using the same spreads that pretty much every other guide uses for octoboom dive, scared tanks are gonna overlap melees on it
Kinda wish the actual m3 ost was like the one in this video. cheeky cheater gets the cheeky ost
Hilarious opening!🤣
My goat 🎉
I can't clear unless Joonbob explains it. (Hector, Ilya, Mizztech, Xenos, and Mr Happy are also good but Joonbob's guides come with a soundtrack!)
I can clear without Joonbob, but its half blind and somebody on PF gets griefed in the process lmao
That's a you problem then
Mr. FreakyBob I applaud the cinematic release of the M3S Guide | Pickup Guide | Freakybob however I must say that because I could not get an early viewing at the Chinese Red Theater in Hollywood for this video, I have been kicked from my static Rainbow Sprinkles Sunshine. I will now develop an addiction to Schedule 1 Narcotics as a result of this tragic event. As I sit in this public bathroom stall, shitting and crying, this video remains as a constant reminder of my own failures that I will now place on to you.
Excellent video and there is nothing else that could possibly beat this video in quality. 7/10
wao hello
falcom boss zanmai???? my goat....
I'm a rusty slow casual but this bout to push me past CD2 into the clear
thank you for saving the pf
Can't wait for you to give us a M4S sunrise guide breakdown, cuz my god. I been stuck on sunrise for 2 weeks now. Not sure if im the problem being a pixel off or I'm just being sniped across the room.
If you or somebody else is logging, you can check in the log. Watch the log replay and look at everyone's positions when the cannons fire and you can see if somebody is out of position.
The positioning is pretty strict regardless of which strat you use.
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Depending in the tank line up, you can invuln the first 2 TBs, share the 3rd, then invuln the last 2, my group dud it with paladin first then gunbreaker, the cooldown for the paladin comesback for the 4th buster
With WAR and DRK you can invuln all of them but yeah for the rest I think you can do 1, 2, 4, 5 and share 3
I am not sure about putting supports CW is the right call given NA PF predominantly uses 1A2 markers and supports CCW. It'll cause unnecessary confusion.
it has been CW rotate from week 1
CCW is a very recent and arbitrary development in PF
if anything that is the unnecessary confusion
@@rithli That's opposite of my experience, actually. I did M3S week 1 and then did it on my alt on EU about...week 4? And it's never been anything but 1A2 markers with CCW. I assume it's to preserve G1/G2 but in the end whatever works, works. I don't mean to demean your guide btw! Always a big fan of them.
@@Reddomi i cleared Week 1 and onward aswell, it's always been 4a1 markers and support clockwise and still tends to be outside of a few niche groups I've been in on NA. The groups that run 1A2 are Hector groups, which I avoid like the plague
i play on NA
i have not skipped a week of PF since week 1
@@furen4962 That's interesting, given even Yukizuri's week 1 guide contains 1A2 (though he recommends cardinals for it). I don't really know any other guides outside of it. But thank you for the insight, I feel I really never saw 4A1 this time around somehow (I do not really subscribe to "Hector" strats either).
Thank you for fusefield with positional consideration, I cannot believe pf is doing it where M1 can be at the northmost point
Believe harder
@@mx4690Even Hector himself says at the start of his videos "new or different strats will come out please adjust" I have to assume at this point it's not the haters putting him off making guides but people like you who stick to his Day 1 strat forever and put people off of raiding on PF entirely. This in turn puts the blame on Hector even though he himself says to adapt and embrace different strats.
@@BigChilla420 cope harder
Truly original pastebin was a plague on this fight.
in week 10 now hopefully i can clear
We’re on week 7 🧐
BOOM!
How did my friends clear this week one they're insane
Beautiful guide but wow what a fight
It's literally one of the most straightforward savage fights with a reasonable dps check that does not allow many mistakes. Mechanics wise it is nothing compared with any previous 3rd fights (even p11s has a few much more logically complex mechanics that roadblock people)
idk how NA Aether do this way but
apparently, everyone has been doing MMRR from N and CW for fuse field now since it just ignores what group you are
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First things first, i love the video, but this might be my biased experience, but most of the time, i have seen fusefield be MMRR clockwise from North/A marker
as listed in the description, these are Shaba pastebin/raidplan strats, commonly used during early in the week reclears in aether PF
That’s probably hector strat, the one in this video is what I’ve seen and done every week in PF!
@@rithli yeah no. I'm on aether and I've only ever seen MMRR
Great as always. Love the Alt Rinon choice. Keep it up!
Where did the comment go discussing the difference between this strat vs Hector's? Did Joonbob delete it??? 😂 I'll be honest and say that Hector's was easier for me to understand and immediately helped reduce wipes in my static... like, aren't they both at the core the same and just solved slightly differently? People learn strats differently, idk why everyone is being so petty.
if all the discussions going on are any indication i don't delete comments lol
people can have their opinions and prefs
i'm just depicting how these sets of strats are done
sort by newest comments first and you'll see every comment. nothing was deleted. some are just downvoted (which you can't see) and they sometimes won't show if sorted by most popular.
sOLVED
solved
The fact that you put the lone bomb north strat instead of Hector's semi-static shit increased my respect for you 100 fold
Weird, where did the reply of a guy that was defending Hector and TN Fusedown go? And their original comment that was (rightfully so) calling TN Fusedown the superior strat vanished as well...
Hector's strat is pretty easy, though, since you only have 2 set markers you need to go to depending on who has short and long timers; same as this. But if my static had seen this method sooner, we likely would have preferred solving it this way to make it easier on the ranged/casters. Having the lone bomb North is an interesting method of resolving it.
@@asatowolfe I love how i only need to look at the bomb pattern and my fuse length to solve the mech...wait what? You're telling me I need to look at two different floor markers too?? But why?????????
@@Darkstrawberry15 The Hector Strat is easy, too, though. For example, M1/MT can look at the same two spots every time. Whoever has the short fuse goes to the first safe zone; then, the second long fuse goes to the other.
It's not really much thinking involved with either strat; it just comes down to preference, really. There are set locations every time with both strats.
@@asatowolfe Since you already need to look at the bomb pattern to find the first safe zone, why not just spread using the bomb pattern too? Isn't finding your spread markers and locating the safe zone at the same time just extra work?
Bomberman seems like a static only strat i dont see that working well in pf, at least the pf's ive been in for this horrible prog
has been fine in PF for (7 almost 8) weeks now
The Hector strat was a blessing after the horrible PFs I saw week 1/2 using this strat
@@smrqunofficialGod forbid we have options some of Hector strats are overcomplicated for the sake of overcomplication. Half of M2 can be winged with no set positions and no loss of uptime, the fight design itself isnt boring, Hectors strats are.
So are Hector's strats too complicated or are they too boring? And if you want no set positions, then do you think Joonbob's strat with set positions is also boring? And if you want options then why hate on Hector for having different ones?
To be clear, there's nothing wrong with having options, assuming they both have their own pros and cons. *This* option, however, is not very good compared to the alternative. Ultimately it resolves things 80% the same as the Hector strat, except during first fuses it crams both ranged together into the relative-south safe spot while leaving the relative-north safe spot empty for no good reason. Uptime is the same but the safe spots are smaller--it's strictly worse. As a H1 I was already ignoring this strat during week 1 and using the relative-north safe spot since nobody else was there.
Hector's not infallible, either. Switching the birthday cake prio from RMMR to MMRR was completely arbitrary and only confused things during the week his video dropped. Of course, I don't think trying to switch it *back* to RMMR will do PF any favors, either.
We have been doing these strats every week in pf since day 2 of the tier when we cleared.
NA PFs NO THIS IS NOT HECTOR FUSEDOWN. If you are joining a hector party stop doing pastebin bombs and wiping parties.
Or you can learn to adjust and just run to a different spot instead of your precious Hector assigned spot you got plenty of time lol you're telling people not to try newer strats that aren't in a day one video it's just holding PF back as a whole
@@BigChilla420 ?Have you entertained the possibility that when you join the HECTOR party you are supposed to be doing the HECTOR start not the PASTEBIN/RHINON strat?
@@BigChilla420 Also have you entertained the possibility that your precious alt rhinon/pastebin is the day one strat?
@@mx4690I prog mostly blind and yes I join your parties without watching Hector or a guide at all just to grief the Hectorlite cult and actually have fun getting my clear at least til Joonbob guide drops.
I never click the pastebin, I just try the mech for myself then let people in the party try and teach me the proper strat. Whether its hector or pastebin I adapt like a gamer does.
F Pastebin Fusedown. Stop spreading inferior strats.
first
2ndish
Fusefield must be Snake prio.... why change and make a 3th way to do it???
This is snake prio though...........
it sounds like
you don't know what snake priority is
@@BowsetteCrown the video is literally snake prio what do you mean lmao
I'm guessing it's an NA thing, as on EU I've never seen a Snake Prio like this either. EU PF does TTHH and MMRR CW from North as Snake Prio.
@@Asmodelta this is exactly how every single PF I've been in has done it. Aether. TTHH MMRR CW from TN. And I wont be joining any parties who do it otherwise.
BOMBASTIC. EXPLOSIVE. BRUTALLY AMAZING.
these guides always slay.
joonbob my beloved