Thanks for the video. I have 2 Bafang setups (BBSO2 and BBSHD) and I am excited about these motors, especially since the CYC Photon is at $950 in the US. I really want to upgrade to a torque sensing mid drive motor. I have a torque sensing rear hub setup which I love.
These will be coming in at much less than that. They need some polish still as you will see in my first test of the 02. I think they do have potential though.
Got my motor installed yesterday and restricted the 1. level to 20 km/h and the 2. and 3. to 25. Still the motor gave me assistance far beyond that, so it's not really working, or I did something wrong... P.S. should those limits have an effect in all three modes (eco/city/sport)?
dumb question: is that the T24 display? According to the website they have about 8 displays to choose from - do you have any preferences amongst the smaller units? great vid btw, I can see I'll be spendig time here. :-)
Thanks for the overview. The ToSeven could be a great choice when someone is wanting something more than a Tongsheng , wants torque sensing the BBS02 doesnt , wants to use your existing battery the BBS M625 does not allow, but not pay the CYC Photon significant price. I will be watching the ToSeven closely to see if its a viable option for me. The only thing i don't get, is it appears you need to choose which voltage ToSeven version you want (e.g., unable in menu choose, 36v, 48v, 52v etc). Happy to be corrected , as if this is correct it is a deal breaker for me. I use a mix of 36v and 48v batteries from various bikes (Reention tigershark mount). Thanks
@@HighVoltageKits thanks. When you test it, I would like your thoughts on the 500w version for road riding up a 1km 10% gradient . The thinking is if I get the higher power version it is heavier, and I will use more battery capacity (less range).
I’m interested in the DM02. Especially interested about heat. Have looked at the TSDZ2 with open source and it seems like you need to do special stuff to keep it from overheating. Hoping that the DM02 resolves that. Looking forward to you testing the DM02 prefer 52V battery. Enjoy your videos/comments.
Cheers. Ran into an issue a few kms in on the test ride. I need a program cable so in the meantime I may well open it up and have a look. Its significantly different in many key areas.
Iv had one for about a year it's never once overheated on me . Iv used it for xc mountain bike trails that are pretty steep.maybe if you live somewhere very hot it maybe a concern but in the UK it's been ok through the summer.
Definitely would want a sw102 display. I like minimalistic displays, ideally also allow Bluetooth for OTA firmware updates and stats collection, even if I have to build an Android app myself since I already dabble wirh OSF programming .
Hi Captain hope you are well! Great video. Very interesting looking forward to seeing these motors in action. I'm very impressed with the settings out of the box on the display! It's very comprehensive compared to most other set ups from factory. Considering the price point of the motors they have done a good job it seems so far.. now for the testing!
Try this video. I think it has the sequence on it. It can be tricky to time the first few goes. Easy configuration with the new DM01 / DMO2 from TOSEVEN motors, more options than Bafang or CYC ruclips.net/video/EHWJt_vP3BU/видео.html
What I would like to be able to do is set an ebike motor to a profile that conforms to the legal limitations for a certain jurisdiction eg 250W Max power and Max speed 15mph for the UK and then be able to load another profile, eg. 'unrestricted' if I want to use this configuration in a place where it is legal. It would be best but not essential if loading the alternate profile were not straighforward, eg it had to be done via a phone app so that the police could not accuse me of quickly changing the profile. Can this be done with any of these motors?
You cam define the speed limit individually for each power level on the bike. The overall power is not definable. The power is set with the amps and the a % of that. In reality the police can only really test you for the speed limit. So if you can show the motor cuts off at 15.5 in a check you ought to be okay. Unless you were riding through a red light or something. There is no test for power outside a lab.
Your content as always is of great interest to the ebike community and we await your assessment of these new motors. Also exciting news is a new battery supplier coming aboard that you support. Many of us are particular about what battery cells we have in our batteries because cell quality is so hugely important therefore if we can buy a 52V battery from your supplier with known cells be it 18650 or 21700...name brand and cell model is critically important....Samsung, Panasonic etc...then we know what to expect in terms of discharge current and longevity aka cycle life. Thanks again.
Sorry. There is some documentation on discord now for that. In short though in the first menu. With the top menu item highlighted press the up and down arrows together and hold. Release when the password screen shows up. If you don't get it quite right highlight the top option again and repeat.
hi i don't know if you could help me i am looking for an answer i am unable to find it hoping that you will be able to help me I bought this bike the onyx lzr pro and I would like to change the battery but in 48v is it possible without modifying anything else the engine is bafang m600
The 01 Peaks at 1700. Its also got a bit more mass to it and a higher RPM so I think it will do ok. I won't really know until I get it installed. The first test with the 02 did not go so well.
Can anyone tell me how to adjust the abrupt initial engagement of the motor when you first pedal.mine pulls very abruptly on the first pedal stroke then is super smooth.
@@HighVoltageKits hi thanks for the quick reply which settings top value is it to be adjusted.iv still not managed to find the hidden menus yet the method I followed of another youtube video a German chap,doesn't seem to work the one share you put the pass code in.i can't even get to that screen.
@@wapiti128 no I could never find how to get into the second menu.iv gave up on it now and bought a vitus mythique ebike insted.its up for sale if your in the UK midlands.
Very new to look at getting a motor. Been through many channels. These toseven look to be the most friendly to use and best machined casing. Cant wait to get them in Europe. Love the open source
There should be some more Europe options soon. You can have one shipped direct from TOSEVEN. If that is a route you wanted to take you can get in touch with a rep of theirs on our discord. I think there will be a UK option soon. Unfortunately not really Europe now with barriers that can make that kind of trade difficult and more expensive.
In ebike conversion motors there is the CYC stuff. The Photon at the lower power range and the X1 for higher power. There are a few other examples around but I do not know much of the merits of them. The CYC X1 is more powerful stock but also a bit more fragile and harder to fix and maintain when it goes wrong.
I definitely agree the displayed information (at least with the one you have) leaves a lot to be desired for the main screen. Temps, battery voltage, time etc. They have it in the menus but would be nice to have it right there all the time. Hopefully a sw102 / eggrider can fix that. Excited for the ride footage hoping for good stuff!
These motors are open source and manufacturers want to sell as many units to individuals, vendors or suppliers as possible. They want these units to be able to satisfy many laws/restrictions. Could some of the programming or adjustments being not easily accessible be done on purpose? I imagine if these units were on bikes,such as a Specialized, they would sell them with certain restrictions preprogrammed to get around local ordinances/laws. Just a thought.
Great video, but please, if you hold a disply, which is the center of interest, don't talk with your hands. Just put the stupid thing on the table. I got sea sick watching the video. Sorry. So no configuration software with this motor. How do you store settings while changing the configuration for best match with your application? Trade secret?
No trade secrets lol. There is a exit with and without saving. I put all the screens and parameters on a pdf on discord if you are interested in them. I should have found a way to keep it still. I will in the future. Appreciate the feeding. Thank you.
@@HighVoltageKits I think you're right. Power meters, even the cheaper knockoffs, are really expensive. I would be surprised if it was rider watts and would be even more surprised if it were accurate lol
You need to access the advanced menu and set the battery to custom then set the low voltage limit. There is another battery menu you can access with the top and bottom buttons pressed together
Very refreshing something that works out of the box and doesn't give the user a headache to set up
I just broke it tho lol
What broke?
What combination of buttons did you use to enter first and second menu.
Thanks for the video. I have 2 Bafang setups (BBSO2 and BBSHD) and I am excited about these motors, especially since the CYC Photon is at $950 in the US. I really want to upgrade to a torque sensing mid drive motor. I have a torque sensing rear hub setup which I love.
These will be coming in at much less than that. They need some polish still as you will see in my first test of the 02. I think they do have potential though.
What buttons I need to press to enter on the main menu? I cant find any information about it.
To get the advanced menu you need to have the top menu item selected from the first menu and hold up and down at the same time.
Got my motor installed yesterday and restricted the 1. level to 20 km/h and the 2. and 3. to 25. Still the motor gave me assistance far beyond that, so it's not really working, or I did something wrong...
P.S. should those limits have an effect in all three modes (eco/city/sport)?
Yeah they should do. Maybe join our discord server and post in the toseven rooms on there?
dumb question: is that the T24 display? According to the website they have about 8 displays to choose from - do you have any preferences amongst the smaller units? great vid btw, I can see I'll be spendig time here. :-)
Yes this is a 24. So far it’s the only option with the motor as far as I am aware. They were looking at other options though
I am getting a TOSeven DM01, 1000 watt for my Catrike Expedition, looking forward to travelling this coming summer, thank you for the great video.
You are welcome Gordon
I have a BBSHD with an ASI BAC 855, be nice if you could run an aftermarket controller
We will be attempting it for sure.
Thanks for the overview. The ToSeven could be a great choice when someone is wanting something more than a Tongsheng , wants torque sensing the BBS02 doesnt , wants to use your existing battery the BBS M625 does not allow, but not pay the CYC Photon significant price. I will be watching the ToSeven closely to see if its a viable option for me. The only thing i don't get, is it appears you need to choose which voltage ToSeven version you want (e.g., unable in menu choose, 36v, 48v, 52v etc). Happy to be corrected , as if this is correct it is a deal breaker for me. I use a mix of 36v and 48v batteries from various bikes (Reention tigershark mount). Thanks
As far as I am aware you can pick those batteries in the menu system. I think it should be available though.
@@HighVoltageKits thanks. When you test it, I would like your thoughts on the 500w version for road riding up a 1km 10% gradient . The thinking is if I get the higher power version it is heavier, and I will use more battery capacity (less range).
The DM01 motor is compatible with batteries ranging from 48V to 60V. DM02 motor is compatible with batteries ranging from 24V to 60V.
I’m interested in the DM02. Especially interested about heat. Have looked at the TSDZ2 with open source and it seems like you need to do special stuff to keep it from overheating. Hoping that the DM02 resolves that. Looking forward to you testing the DM02 prefer 52V battery.
Enjoy your videos/comments.
Cheers. Ran into an issue a few kms in on the test ride. I need a program cable so in the meantime I may well open it up and have a look. Its significantly different in many key areas.
Iv had one for about a year it's never once overheated on me . Iv used it for xc mountain bike trails that are pretty steep.maybe if you live somewhere very hot it maybe a concern but in the UK it's been ok through the summer.
not bad i hope they get a sw102 and 600c version for their motors i dont like these displays that have a seperate button control
There are no limits on displays as such. It would just need to be configured correctly on both sides.
Definitely would want a sw102 display. I like minimalistic displays, ideally also allow Bluetooth for OTA firmware updates and stats collection, even if I have to build an Android app myself since I already dabble wirh OSF programming .
Hi Captain hope you are well! Great video. Very interesting looking forward to seeing these motors in action. I'm very impressed with the settings out of the box on the display! It's very comprehensive compared to most other set ups from factory. Considering the price point of the motors they have done a good job it seems so far.. now for the testing!
Hey Dan. You can see the first quick test with the 02. Not the best start but I can see the potential.
Quick question, is it possible to get into the hidden menu with the DM02, any help would be fantastic.
Try this video. I think it has the sequence on it. It can be tricky to time the first few goes. Easy configuration with the new DM01 / DMO2 from TOSEVEN motors, more options than Bafang or CYC
ruclips.net/video/EHWJt_vP3BU/видео.html
@@HighVoltageKits This is the same video this comment is under. The video skips how to access the hidden menu.
@@HighVoltageKits as the other comment said, you linked to the wrong video. You linked to the same video we're looking at now with the DM01
What I would like to be able to do is set an ebike motor to a profile that conforms to the legal limitations for a certain jurisdiction eg 250W Max power and Max speed 15mph for the UK and then be able to load another profile, eg. 'unrestricted' if I want to use this configuration in a place where it is legal.
It would be best but not essential if loading the alternate profile were not straighforward, eg it had to be done via a phone app so that the police could not accuse me of quickly changing the profile.
Can this be done with any of these motors?
You cam define the speed limit individually for each power level on the bike. The overall power is not definable. The power is set with the amps and the a % of that. In reality the police can only really test you for the speed limit. So if you can show the motor cuts off at 15.5 in a check you ought to be okay. Unless you were riding through a red light or something. There is no test for power outside a lab.
@@HighVoltageKits Cheers!
How do you open up either of the menus?
Your content as always is of great interest to the ebike community and we await your assessment of these new motors.
Also exciting news is a new battery supplier coming aboard that you support. Many of us are particular about what battery cells we have in our batteries because cell quality is so hugely important therefore if we can buy a 52V battery from your supplier with known cells be it 18650 or 21700...name brand and cell model is critically important....Samsung, Panasonic etc...then we know what to expect in terms of discharge current and longevity aka cycle life.
Thanks again.
Thanks Luke. Should have some more thoughts on them later this week.
ooh look ar me being all early. I want to mess with one of these.
1st in! Epic handle by the way. I'm assuming it's because you are either a Red Dwarf fan or you excel in the use of high end kitchen appliances?
Hi you didn't show how you got in to the second menu?.😢
Sorry. There is some documentation on discord now for that. In short though in the first menu. With the top menu item highlighted press the up and down arrows together and hold. Release when the password screen shows up. If you don't get it quite right highlight the top option again and repeat.
Thanks for the quick reply.what is the discord?.cheers
Do you know if dm01 supports 60v as in 16s? The website says so and some dealers too but i'm not sure if it really does.
It’s supposed to. You might need to specify this to get a 60 volt version. I’d use a dealer in case of any issues
Size wise, is the DM01 larger, smaller or same size as the BBS02? Thanks, great video!
It’s a little bit larger. About the same as the bbshd
hi i don't know if you could help me i am looking for an answer i am unable to find it hoping that you will be able to help me I bought this bike the onyx lzr pro and I would like to change the battery but in 48v is it possible without modifying anything else the engine is bafang m600
This is a question to post on discord under Bafang. You can post photos and video clips then as well. The link is in the description.
Great overview, looking forward to the next testing videos!
I wish the wattage of DM01 was closer to Python but still good to see the market growing.
The 01 Peaks at 1700. Its also got a bit more mass to it and a higher RPM so I think it will do ok. I won't really know until I get it installed. The first test with the 02 did not go so well.
Just a quick question is it possible to cut back the brake sensor wires, if so what can I soldier to blank the brake sensor cable.
I would cut it off and make sure the wires are not in contact before using some electrical tape on it.
This kit sieve to climb mountains without pedaling?
see other reply 😉
Thanks brother for the review
You are welcome.
Can anyone tell me how to adjust the abrupt initial engagement of the motor when you first pedal.mine pulls very abruptly on the first pedal stroke then is super smooth.
There are three settings you can adjust. I thing lowering the top value will give you what you want if I recall correctly.
@@HighVoltageKits hi thanks for the quick reply which settings top value is it to be adjusted.iv still not managed to find the hidden menus yet the method I followed of another youtube video a German chap,doesn't seem to work the one share you put the pass code in.i can't even get to that screen.
@@ShreddykrugerDid you figure it out?
@@wapiti128 no I could never find how to get into the second menu.iv gave up on it now and bought a vitus mythique ebike insted.its up for sale if your in the UK midlands.
@@Shreddykruger Thanks. I'm in the USA. I appreciate your reply.
Very new to look at getting a motor. Been through many channels. These toseven look to be the most friendly to use and best machined casing. Cant wait to get them in Europe. Love the open source
There should be some more Europe options soon. You can have one shipped direct from TOSEVEN. If that is a route you wanted to take you can get in touch with a rep of theirs on our discord. I think there will be a UK option soon. Unfortunately not really Europe now with barriers that can make that kind of trade difficult and more expensive.
@@HighVoltageKits thanks other than toseven what other recommendations with torque sensors. May have to learn how to build batteries if it an issue.
In ebike conversion motors there is the CYC stuff. The Photon at the lower power range and the X1 for higher power. There are a few other examples around but I do not know much of the merits of them. The CYC X1 is more powerful stock but also a bit more fragile and harder to fix and maintain when it goes wrong.
Sounds to be the better solution regarding controls and that in my opinion dependent on how it is riding i would love to upgrade my mtb whit this
can you do this with the smaller motor ?
Yeah. The menu systems are identical as far as I am aware.
I just fitted my dm02 , I am yet to test it properly, but the initial tests are very positive
Good stuff. Let us know how you get on!
@@HighVoltageKits Will do
would love you to do some videos on the truckrun motors
I’ll put it on the list. Maybe they will send something out.
On the controller tab, can the motor voltage be changed?
Does Shengyi manufactur these motors?
I don't think so.
No
I definitely agree the displayed information (at least with the one you have) leaves a lot to be desired for the main screen. Temps, battery voltage, time etc. They have it in the menus but would be nice to have it right there all the time. Hopefully a sw102 / eggrider can fix that. Excited for the ride footage hoping for good stuff!
There is a ton of real estate to use. I am hopeful that it could be done relatively easily. The functionality itself is all there.
These motors are open source and manufacturers want to sell as many units to individuals, vendors or suppliers as possible. They want these units to be able to satisfy many laws/restrictions. Could some of the programming or adjustments being not easily accessible be done on purpose? I imagine if these units were on bikes,such as a Specialized, they would sell them with certain restrictions preprogrammed to get around local ordinances/laws. Just a thought.
Great video, but please, if you hold a disply, which is the center of interest, don't talk with your hands. Just put the stupid thing on the table. I got sea sick watching the video. Sorry.
So no configuration software with this motor. How do you store settings while changing the configuration for best match with your application? Trade secret?
No trade secrets lol. There is a exit with and without saving. I put all the screens and parameters on a pdf on discord if you are interested in them. I should have found a way to keep it still. I will in the future. Appreciate the feeding. Thank you.
There is a program cable. Waiting on delivery!
When you say it shows power in watts, is that motor power? Or is it rider power- as in like a cycling power meter
I think it's motor power. I'd need to see it in action on the bike to confirm tho.
@@HighVoltageKits I think you're right. Power meters, even the cheaper knockoffs, are really expensive. I would be surprised if it was rider watts and would be even more surprised if it were accurate lol
@@georgeforeman89only ever seen rider input on the tq120 motor
thanks for the overview of the settings.
do you know how to configure 52v battery in this display ?
thank you
I forgot to specify, I'm talking about the DM01 750w
You need to access the advanced menu and set the battery to custom then set the low voltage limit. There is another battery menu you can access with the top and bottom buttons pressed together
Where are these motors for sale?
The dealer network is being setup. Eco Cycles I think will stock the 02. Best bet is to post on Discord.