Our parents told us what they had witnesed and faced during Nakba and this oral history is passing now through one generation to another. The Israli archive, after 40 years of Nakba, confirmed this oral history. Thanks for Pappe and others who are working to reveal the truth. Thanks also to channel
@@samuuluinavucu1246 Firstly Britain and secondly comes the zionist settler colonialism project which could not be succeed without the full support of the British. Both caused Nakba
@@samuuluinavucu1246 ethnic cleansing, orders given by zionist command carried out by the nascent israeli army (haganah, irgun, lehi, etc.) in 1948 until 1949 when the war ended in the north formally. 80% of the arab palestinian population was expulsed, around 800,000, especially from the south. Around 13,000 palestinians were killed.
@@hkilgore9462 I don’t doubt that ethnic cleansing took place, but where are all these orders? Pappé talks about the existence of a “consultancy”. Where did he get that from?
How about oral collaboration from the Zionists themselves you can find in this documentary titled “Route 181” available for free for a limited time at www.palestinefilminstitute.org/en/pfp?fbclid=IwAR3IlPgPgsnFrV_4pwHr08iOEpK_jk7RvbWLvKtCrwXiFHh2gZTtN_6znN4
d'accordo ... earlier i went off the deep end, not waiting for him to finish speaking ... unity! solidarity! these things are essential now (i keep reminding myself)
Why don’t the people declare that Britain is being given to the Palestinians to compensate for the ethnic cleansing that happened elsewhere. Let’s see how the people of England would welcome that declaration. Then they should evaluate how that would compare with the Balfour declaration.Ilan Pappe is doing an important job educating people on challenging their views and stands.
And then all the british are expelled cornwall with a wall at the border. The funny thing is that they already have organisations comparable to hamas without ever experiencing something like this.
Thank you for both Parts I and II. Also recommend "The Land Speaks Arabic" here on YT, so many community elders telling their lives in multicultural and mostly-peaceful communities for generations before 1948. The more we know this, the more it can help us to imagine coexistence again---through justice.
This is hands down the best narration of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its historical under-pinnings I've ever heard, and fairly open dialectically to how different sides (foreign & domestic), generations perceive things. Thank you.
Excellent interview Very high level of analysis and thinking Such people should be helping leading the world to a better place As Mr. Pappe mentioned, Education will help solve many problems in the world. True Education. Thank you.
Holocaust ended but Nakba, Israeli apartheid oppression is continuing. You can just go there, watch and experiences how Palestinian treated in their everyday life and how Israeli kills, torture and settlers kicked Palestinian out of their houses and live their. Yet they raise question whether their oral story is true or not! It's unbelievable, how biased people could be!
Thanks Ilan Pappe for standing with the truth and morals. More strength to you and others like you. I hope we learn from the mistakes and courage to accept them and work for humanity without any discrimination. I hope Israel accepts its agression towards Palestinians and realize that it is same to what Nazis did to Jews. It is abhorrant practice and we must not repeat the same crimes against others as a victim.
Yes, talking about not trusting military accounts, there’s a YT video about female Israeli soldiers, where one relates an incident involving soldiers’ abuse of a Palestinian boy. It had been reported, so a commander had to do an investigation. She was like an assistant to the commander and was told to have the soldiers write their account, which they did and admitted the abuse. She took the report back and was told to go back and tell them to revise it - twice, until the commander was satisfied no blame would be placed on the soldiers/IDF.
This is a brilliant point about abuse survivors and oral testimony (oral history/ethnography/qualitative research/witness statements in courts) ---- even as **therapists** people struggle to disclose traumatic events. Some clients take years to open up. They don't want to. They want therapy and support and human connection, but the last thing they want is to rip the scar tissue out the wound to look inside the wound. The example sounds like hyperbole, but psychologically, that is what we ask of people as therapists, sociologists, ethnographers, and historigraphers.
Great Interview: What makes Anthropology an important study is the use of "Oral History" in its field studies of different groups. The professor is correct in stressing the importance of this method in learning what happen to the Palestinian people.
the world is with you now. anybody can find out the injustice put upon the muslims and christians and jews of the old palestine, yes i include the jews who lived there before zionism. make the holy land, holy again.
Thank you for revealing the Truth. God bless you Ilan Pappe. YOU are blessed. My God Jesus spoke of righteous deeds for humanity as you are doing. Bless you.
"What goes around ~ comes around". This is a very old very good saying that Israel should heed during their ongoing ethnic cleansing operations of the Palestinian people. The world is watching and its support of Israel can change ~ dramatically.
Transliminal That's funny how you described Pappe's book. As if there is some question as to whether it was 'ethnic cleansing'. ha ha ha Thanks for the video. Always great to hear Pappe speaking the truth and giving us all a free history lesson.
Aren’t the Israeli settlements in the West Bank just a current iteration and extension of the Nakba? No oral history required there - it can be recorded and filmed in real time.
I was homeless in the US for around 6mo. But i did not want to alk about the experience either, and still dont, to people in my life whose judgments do affect me. When horrible things happen people do not like to talk about them, because they are still trying to get distance from the events.
The question at minute 6 is radicicolous, the many of Nakba survivors are still alive and have told their stories just like the Holocaust survivors, why are their statements not believed like the Holocaust survivors. Bennie Morris is terrible.
If Israel agrees for a single state with human rights for all citizens (Jews/Zionists/Palestines/Arabs etc), can we have the support of the international community and then most importantly the extremists ? Where is the guarantee ?
The call has not been for anything other than a 2 seperate state has been the only option on the table for years. I do not understand where you get this idea from. Links, quotes, please!!!
Part 1 of this interview added context to the history of this conflict that I was not aware of. Probably the best explanation of settler colonialism that I have heard. He lost me in his defence of the victim, as more believable because they have suffered. Also his point that oral memory should be believable. Oral memory typical recounts stories without proper context and omits the part that makes you part of the problem. Unfortunately now I am uncertain of the facts he presented in part 1, which gave me context to historical facts I was already aware of. I was starting to have some sympathy for the Palestinian cause.
Regarding the time frame of Holocaust survivors testimonies: As recent as 2022 a concentration camp secretary was convicted, based in part on survivors testimonies and testimonies of relatives of survivors. That is 77 years after WWII ended.
Palestinian people should all come together and file a lawsuit against Britain and get compensation for all the suffering and damages done by their stupid plan of giving someone's home to others! #letBritainpay
Does one have to be an academic to view events logically? When I visit Israel and speak with the Jews, Arabs, Palestinians, and others, I can get either very emotional or very political/ideological opinions. I need to take all of them with a grain of salt. When I read and listen to the experts analysis and interpretation, my understanding gets deeper and insightful. Whatever happens in one's life has reasons and motives. Nothing is spontaneous. All I need is sound stable mind to research the truth. Inquisitive mind for truth seeking.
Israel is a very strange place. I went for the first time this past September. I wasn't aware of the Palestinian oppression then. Now I learned. I will NEVER go again.
Thank you My opinion the Palestine people need much healing and peace talks . To truly understand the conflicts . War is not the answer, peace ☮️ with much recovery ❤️🩹 of healing . Prayers 🙏🙏🙏
That's interesting for llan Pappe to implicitly say that Islamic countries will come back to their glory, it shows that Jews really know the end incoming events
Oral history is so powerful, more powerful than written history, and even more accurate in most cases. You can find today, people of Afghanistan recounting the massacres committed by Alexander The Great, almost a thousand years before the advent of Islam in the region, and more than two thousand years from now.
Watching this 6 years later in 2024, and Jeremy Corbyn has been successfully hounded out of the Labour Party is an antisemite because of his criticism of zionism, and Labour's new leader can't speak out against an ongoing genocide in Gaza. Things have taken a sad turn in the Labour Party, as they have in the UK as a whole since Brexit. Its difficult to maintain optimism under these circumstances ,but ein breirah
21:14 I personally hope that's why they are numbered😂. What is he afraid of? I can imagine, but then he says this 31:55. The trouble is people's patience with Israel will run out before they can stop themselves from being racist murderers.
Who is the interviewer though? I'm very curious...Is he a journalist? Jewish himself, by any chance? Apart from his mention of being from Canada, there is nothing else I can find on the page...
@@Transliminal Thanks a mill for taking the time to respond. I do think it is important to know "who" the interviewer is; not necessarily, name and surname and their face, but some of their background, as it will play a part ( big or small depending on their character, professional integrity and self-awareness) on how they conduct the interview. Even more so when approching such a subject matter. My questions did not mean to be accusatory, though they may seem a tad blunt now that I go back to them. I guess following some of your questions to and your interactions/counter-arguments with Ilan Pappé, I sensed that you may indeed be Jewish yourself, as I could perceive a certain "defensiveness"? in them? And it did not feel like you were "playing devil's advocate" either. Thank you again for your response. Keep doing good work..
Within the first 2:00 minutes: (And I'm paraphrasing/distilling): "Victims can susceptible to jumbling up the factual minutiae..... but they don't get the crime wrong." [mind blown]
You mean like the SA victim who recalls the rappist wearing black underwear when perhaps it might've been dark blue but is able to tell you what that rappist did to her/him? You find that concept mind blowing? Are you human?
The fact some Jews stayed in Germany or any countries after the WWII is not talked about. Many Jews decided to emigrate to the newly formed Jew State, Israel with the hope of finally having the own country. They didn't care the cost they had to repay for forcefully taking land from the former settlers/inhabitants there. They and the decendants have to pay the toll of criminal conducts. That's historical. The UK, for an example is the typical example. The siciety is innundated with the people from ex-British Empire. Every action begets consequence. That's the real meaning of karma.
Are current day Swiss, Germans, Italians, English etc. descendants of the aboriginal inhabitants of these same lands? No. The history of the world is that of conquest, murder and expulsion. How about all the Americans of Non Indian descent? Are they also bearers of a crime ?
Only with the recent developments in Israel/Gaza have I realised how precious the Internet is. It is because of the Internet that I am able to learn about the appalling foundation of the state of Israel and the appalling crimes perpetrated against the Palestinian people, and much else (incl. this interview), which I wouldn't otherwise have had access to. No doubt, the powers that be will do something to introduce some kind of underhand censorship.
Hey I am in Jamaica and I know the oral history of both the People from Kush and Palistine. You modern Egyptian, I know your History. One who won't admit that they are 'Africans. Even the alteration of the Suez Canal. Egypt is still Nubia. Stop helping IS not r El ethically clens the Palistinians.
People have incentive to exaggerate play up some details and down play others to serve themselves….yuh duh? 🤷🏽♀️ That would be the same on both sides of the equation what a ridiculous question. The only difference is some wrote there’s on paper others couldn’t
Love how proudly Ilan Pappé calls himself an activist ✊ that's how a true historian does it Pappé + Howard Zinn are 2 of the greats 👏 true understanding is built upon research from historians with an agenda of authenticity + unwinding myths + false narratives
I had listened to part 1 and began listening to part 2 without yet realizing this was recorded 5 yrs ago. When I heard him mention the reaction of Israelis if the govt expelled 1 million Palestinians from Gaza, I practically gasped!
We have a saying in my culture.. That the person who shits in the bus doesn't remember where he did it. But the person who steps in it remembers exactly where he stepped in shit and everyti e he is close to the location eh is very wary!
There's the audio transcript from youtube you can copy to get something readable after some formating and cleaning. The option to display the transcript is the last one (below the vid).
He does not answer the questions well. And he comes across as petty towards people who hold other views. And he admits that he rejects even taking into consideration any IDF army document. This is hilarious for someone who claims to be searching for the truth.
You know he's a reformed zionist, right? He knows darn well what would and wouldnt be put in writing. It's called discernment, knowing from hence the info is coming from helps one know the credulity that comes with it.
Thank god for Ilan Pappe. He demystifies the history of Israel.
😮😊 7:50
Our parents told us what they had witnesed and faced during Nakba and this oral history is passing now through one generation to another. The Israli archive, after 40 years of Nakba, confirmed this oral history. Thanks for Pappe and others who are working to reveal the truth. Thanks also to channel
What caused the NAKBA ? Who refused the 700,000 Palestinian-Arab refugees ?
@@samuuluinavucu1246 Firstly Britain and secondly comes the zionist settler colonialism project which could not be succeed without the full support of the British. Both caused Nakba
@@abokareem7586 How did this happen ?
@@samuuluinavucu1246 ethnic cleansing, orders given by zionist command carried out by the nascent israeli army (haganah, irgun, lehi, etc.) in 1948 until 1949 when the war ended in the north formally. 80% of the arab palestinian population was expulsed, around 800,000, especially from the south. Around 13,000 palestinians were killed.
@@hkilgore9462 I don’t doubt that ethnic cleansing took place, but where are all these orders? Pappé talks about the existence of a “consultancy”. Where did he get that from?
Ilan Pappe clearly dominates his subject. He is so accurate in all what he says; there is no room for approximation in his language.
Thank GOD we have honest and knowledgeable historians like Ilan Pappe.
How about oral collaboration from the Zionists themselves you can find in this documentary titled “Route 181” available for free for a limited time at
www.palestinefilminstitute.org/en/pfp?fbclid=IwAR3IlPgPgsnFrV_4pwHr08iOEpK_jk7RvbWLvKtCrwXiFHh2gZTtN_6znN4
d'accordo ... earlier i went off the deep end, not waiting for him to finish speaking ... unity! solidarity! these things are essential now (i keep reminding myself)
@@mohammadsalman57 cannot see, it was taken down
Why don’t the people declare that Britain is being given to the Palestinians to compensate for the ethnic cleansing that happened elsewhere. Let’s see how the people of England would welcome that declaration. Then they should evaluate how that would compare with the Balfour declaration.Ilan Pappe is doing an important job educating people on challenging their views and stands.
The reason for the Balfour Declaration was because the British didn't want jews in Europe. Same with Americans.
And then all the british are expelled cornwall with a wall at the border. The funny thing is that they already have organisations comparable to hamas without ever experiencing something like this.
Pappé is a brilliant, inspiring human being and a powerful voice for the oppressed. This was much needed. Thank you ❤️
I’m kind of surprised though to find the other videos on this channel are mostly Jordan Peterson lol
Thank you for both Parts I and II. Also recommend "The Land Speaks Arabic" here on YT, so many community elders telling their lives in multicultural and mostly-peaceful communities for generations before 1948. The more we know this, the more it can help us to imagine coexistence again---through justice.
Fantastic historian of truth. It takes tremendous courage to speak the truth as Ilan Pappe does.
This is hands down the best narration of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its historical under-pinnings I've ever heard, and fairly open dialectically to how different sides (foreign & domestic), generations perceive things. Thank you.
Truly my pleasure
Excellent interview
Very high level of analysis and thinking
Such people should be helping leading the world to a better place
As Mr. Pappe mentioned, Education will help solve many problems in the world. True Education. Thank you.
He nails the behaviour and outcome and you can see what he is saying resonating in todays war on Gaza.
there are some wonderful people like Dr Gatore Mate and Pappe. Bless them
GABOR Mate
Holocaust ended but Nakba, Israeli apartheid oppression is continuing. You can just go there, watch and experiences how Palestinian treated in their everyday life and how Israeli kills, torture and settlers kicked Palestinian out of their houses and live their. Yet they raise question whether their oral story is true or not! It's unbelievable, how biased people could be!
Thanks Ilan Pappe for standing with the truth and morals. More strength to you and others like you. I hope we learn from the mistakes and courage to accept them and work for humanity without any discrimination. I hope Israel accepts its agression towards Palestinians and realize that it is same to what Nazis did to Jews. It is abhorrant practice and we must not repeat the same crimes against others as a victim.
Yes, talking about not trusting military accounts, there’s a YT video about female Israeli soldiers, where one relates an incident involving soldiers’ abuse of a Palestinian boy. It had been reported, so a commander had to do an investigation. She was like an assistant to the commander and was told to have the soldiers write their account, which they did and admitted the abuse. She took the report back and was told to go back and tell them to revise it - twice, until the commander was satisfied no blame would be placed on the soldiers/IDF.
All his predictions just unfolded right in front of our eyes, except of course, about corbyn and sanders
why not about corbyn?
Great Man. Speaking the truth no lying or covering up. Straight as an aroow.
Yup real history, did you watch part 1?
@@icarium6031I'm on it now Thank You
Wow what a man a human being an intellectual on the subject ...
Thank you for validating what our grandparents and parents told us about the Nakba.
It's amazing that he delivered a class on historiography and recent Israelo-Palestinian history in one stance.
Prof Ilan Pappe is definitely one of my new favourite scholars. Would love to study under him. His mind is amazing.
This is a brilliant point about abuse survivors and oral testimony (oral history/ethnography/qualitative research/witness statements in courts) ---- even as **therapists** people struggle to disclose traumatic events. Some clients take years to open up. They don't want to. They want therapy and support and human connection, but the last thing they want is to rip the scar tissue out the wound to look inside the wound. The example sounds like hyperbole, but psychologically, that is what we ask of people as therapists, sociologists, ethnographers, and historigraphers.
What a wonderful human being.....Everyone must listen to this.
Great Interview: What makes Anthropology an important study is the use of "Oral History" in its field studies of different groups. The professor is correct in stressing the importance of this method in learning what happen to the Palestinian people.
the world is with you now. anybody can find out the injustice put upon the muslims and christians and jews of the old palestine, yes i include the jews who lived there before zionism. make the holy land, holy again.
Thanks for this great interview professor Ilan Pappe, your unpretentious, clear and honest assessment of the situation in Palestine is commendable.
Pappé is doing God’s work. With all the meaning that constitutes such an expression.
Thank you for revealing the Truth. God bless you Ilan Pappe. YOU are blessed. My God Jesus spoke of righteous deeds for humanity as you are doing. Bless you.
One of the most important historians on the planet.
"What goes around ~ comes around". This is a very old very good saying that Israel should heed during their ongoing ethnic cleansing operations of the Palestinian people.
The world is watching and its support of Israel can change ~ dramatically.
Awesome work!! Thank You for the truth!! I'll definitely learn more!
Transliminal That's funny how you described Pappe's book. As if there is some question as to whether it was 'ethnic cleansing'. ha ha ha
Thanks for the video. Always great to hear Pappe speaking the truth and giving us all a free history lesson.
ما أعظم هذا الرجل
What an absolutely refreshing transparent review of history
Thank you! I am learning a lot from Dr. Peppe
I am from Ilabun and we remember !
Thank you,prof. Llian Pappe great interview, you and so many others now have opened my eyes even more!! Great 👍
I would love to hear what Ilan Pappe says now, 5 years later. What he says makes so much sense. The Balfour Project apology from the British!!
I just watched a new video of him a few days ago
@@eliasshalhoub582; Where can I find it please
Free free Palestine.
Great and very useful as usual from professor ilan pappe
And I think to myself, "What a wonderful man."
There are also people who don't want to hear about people's abuse.
Such interesting knowledge I can just sit down and listen to Professors Ilan all day long.thank you so much for telling the truth
Exactly what I was thinking! There’s so much here that I haven’t heard elsewhere, despite being obsessed with the whole thing lately, lol.
This discussion is extremely needed in these hard times. Thank you so much for posting this!
Israel owes reparations to all Palestinians!
Thanks for this! Super interesting. Would also be interested in your personal take on Morris vs Pape view.
Aren’t the Israeli settlements in the West Bank just a current iteration and extension of the Nakba? No oral history required there - it can be recorded and filmed in real time.
Thanks. Critical thinking does not exist in the US.
Um, yes it does.
Thank you sir,one day we all be asked what did we do
In front of God
And God is waching
I was homeless in the US for around 6mo. But i did not want to alk about the experience either, and still dont, to people in my life whose judgments do affect me. When horrible things happen people do not like to talk about them, because they are still trying to get distance from the events.
The question at minute 6 is radicicolous, the many of Nakba survivors are still alive and have told their stories just like the Holocaust survivors, why are their statements not believed like the Holocaust survivors. Bennie Morris is terrible.
If Israel agrees for a single state with human rights for all citizens (Jews/Zionists/Palestines/Arabs etc), can we have the support of the international community and then most importantly the extremists ?
Where is the guarantee ?
The call has not been for anything other than a 2 seperate state has been the only option on the table for years. I do not understand where you get this idea from. Links, quotes, please!!!
This will make a great piece of history.
Read his book, and please share it with others. The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians.
Part 1 of this interview added context to the history of this conflict that I was not aware of. Probably the best explanation of settler colonialism that I have heard. He lost me in his defence of the victim, as more believable because they have suffered. Also his point that oral memory should be believable. Oral memory typical recounts stories without proper context and omits the part that makes you part of the problem. Unfortunately now I am uncertain of the facts he presented in part 1, which gave me context to historical facts I was already aware of. I was starting to have some sympathy for the Palestinian cause.
Practical use in Nov Dec 2023 He calls out the elephant in the room
Ilan peppè is more worthy of a nobel prize than Henry evil kissinger.
Regarding the time frame of Holocaust survivors testimonies: As recent as 2022 a concentration camp secretary was convicted, based in part on survivors testimonies and testimonies of relatives of survivors. That is 77 years after WWII ended.
Palestinian people should all come together and file a lawsuit against Britain and get compensation for all the suffering and damages done by their stupid plan of giving someone's home to others!
#letBritainpay
Does one have to be an academic to view events logically? When I visit Israel and speak with the Jews, Arabs, Palestinians, and others, I can get either very emotional or very political/ideological opinions. I need to take all of them with a grain of salt. When I read and listen to the experts analysis and interpretation, my understanding gets deeper and insightful. Whatever happens in one's life has reasons and motives. Nothing is spontaneous. All I need is sound stable mind to research the truth. Inquisitive mind for truth seeking.
Do you visit people in Gaza when you go to isreal?
Israel is a very strange place. I went for the first time this past September. I wasn't aware of the Palestinian oppression then. Now I learned. I will NEVER go again.
Thank you
My opinion the Palestine people need much healing and peace talks .
To truly understand the conflicts .
War is not the answer, peace ☮️ with much recovery ❤️🩹 of healing .
Prayers
🙏🙏🙏
Por favor, os brasileiros precisam muito que os vídeos de Ilan Papee seja legendados em português. A democracia agradece o esforço. Gilberto Rocha.
That's interesting for llan Pappe to implicitly say that Islamic countries will come back to their glory, it shows that Jews really know the end incoming events
Oral history is so powerful, more powerful than written history, and even more accurate in most cases. You can find today, people of Afghanistan recounting the massacres committed by Alexander The Great, almost a thousand years before the advent of Islam in the region, and more than two thousand years from now.
Watching this 6 years later in 2024, and Jeremy Corbyn has been successfully hounded out of the Labour Party is an antisemite because of his criticism of zionism, and Labour's new leader can't speak out against an ongoing genocide in Gaza. Things have taken a sad turn in the Labour Party, as they have in the UK as a whole since Brexit.
Its difficult to maintain optimism under these circumstances ,but ein breirah
21:14 I personally hope that's why they are numbered😂. What is he afraid of? I can imagine, but then he says this 31:55. The trouble is people's patience with Israel will run out before they can stop themselves from being racist murderers.
Very prophetic. A mirror of what's happening today.
Very scary watching this in 2024 😢
It’s 1948 again
Brilliant interview - insightful, informative and articulate. Thank you for sharing
All was going well until he mentioned Corbyn. Still OK to'
Who is the interviewer though? I'm very curious...Is he a journalist? Jewish himself, by any chance? Apart from his mention of being from Canada, there is nothing else I can find on the page...
I'm a Canadian professional with a background in anthropology. My ethnic heritage is Ashkenazi Jewish, but it's not my primary chosen identity.
@@Transliminal Thanks a mill for taking the time to respond. I do think it is important to know "who" the interviewer is; not necessarily, name and surname and their face, but some of their background, as it will play a part ( big or small depending on their character, professional integrity and self-awareness) on how they conduct the interview. Even more so when approching such a subject matter. My questions did not mean to be accusatory, though they may seem a tad blunt now that I go back to them. I guess following some of your questions to and your interactions/counter-arguments with Ilan Pappé, I sensed that you may indeed be Jewish yourself, as I could perceive a certain "defensiveness"? in them? And it did not feel like you were "playing devil's advocate" either.
Thank you again for your response. Keep doing good work..
🇵🇸
Within the first 2:00 minutes: (And I'm paraphrasing/distilling): "Victims can susceptible to jumbling up the factual minutiae..... but they don't get the crime wrong." [mind blown]
You mean like the SA victim who recalls the rappist wearing black underwear when perhaps it might've been dark blue but is able to tell you what that rappist did to her/him? You find that concept mind blowing?
Are you human?
Pappe Vs. Morris. Lets make that happen!
They hate each others' guts, so not sure i have the budget to bribe them into being in the same room room with each other. One can dream though : )
@@Transliminal Maybe an MMA match 🤣 you could ppv it!
@@Transliminal lol
@@Transliminal Do they seriously hate each other, or is it more of a professional dispute?
@@brethart522 They despise one another
It makes it impossible for an arab to be anti semitic after reading his book ethnic cleansing of Palestine,,, such courage to be totally honest,,,
Ilan Pappe 👌
😢
Very truthful and understandable
Also check out Profs Avi Shraim and Gabor Mate (accent on the e). Both speak very intelligently and very movingly on this subject.
The fact some Jews stayed in Germany or any countries after the WWII is not talked about. Many Jews decided to emigrate to the newly formed Jew State, Israel with the hope of finally having the own country. They didn't care the cost they had to repay for forcefully taking land from the former settlers/inhabitants there. They and the decendants have to pay the toll of criminal conducts. That's historical. The UK, for an example is the typical example. The siciety is innundated with the people from ex-British Empire. Every action begets consequence. That's the real meaning of karma.
This is simple false. Dna has show the Palestinians have been there for thousands of years. Ashkenazi J3ws are European. Are you Israeli?
Are current day Swiss, Germans, Italians, English etc. descendants of the aboriginal inhabitants of these same lands? No. The history of the world is that of conquest, murder and expulsion. How about all the Americans of Non Indian descent? Are they also bearers of a crime ?
What a man 👏👏
Only with the recent developments in Israel/Gaza have I realised how precious the Internet is. It is because of the Internet that I am able to learn about the appalling foundation of the state of Israel and the appalling crimes perpetrated against the Palestinian people, and much else (incl. this interview), which I wouldn't otherwise have had access to. No doubt, the powers that be will do something to introduce some kind of underhand censorship.
Now I understand why some zionists love to say, "may their memories be erased," to their victims.
Hey I am in Jamaica and I know the oral history of both the People from Kush and Palistine. You modern Egyptian, I know your History. One who won't admit that they are 'Africans. Even the alteration of the Suez Canal. Egypt is still Nubia. Stop helping IS not r El ethically clens the Palistinians.
People have incentive to exaggerate play up some details and down play others to serve themselves….yuh duh? 🤷🏽♀️ That would be the same on both sides of the equation what a ridiculous question. The only difference is some wrote there’s on paper others couldn’t
Danke Herr Pappe für Ihre COURAGE !
Love how proudly Ilan Pappé calls himself an activist ✊ that's how a true historian does it Pappé + Howard Zinn are 2 of the greats 👏 true understanding is built upon research from historians with an agenda of authenticity + unwinding myths + false narratives
15:50 is unfortunately so eerily accurate, even 4 years later.
I had listened to part 1 and began listening to part 2 without yet realizing this was recorded 5 yrs ago. When I heard him mention the reaction of Israelis if the govt expelled 1 million Palestinians from Gaza, I practically gasped!
In 1929 the Arabs in the land of Israel showed Jews who they are and the Jews believed them.
"In fire and blood did Judea fall; in blood and fire Judea shall rise."
- Bar-Giora - 1907-1909
I read so many comments like: "what a wonderful human being!". Is this how you judge a historian?
As a goy who is very critical of Israel's apartheid government, I appreciate this man's willingness to tell the truth.
Prophet Muhammad set up the paradigm of Taif, forgave his enemies in spite of total victory, Saladin did it and most recently the Afghan Taliban.
and what is 'total victory', conversion for the infidels?
its unimaginable how people are able to commit such acts without empathy stopping them
We have a saying in my culture.. That the person who shits in the bus doesn't remember where he did it. But the person who steps in it remembers exactly where he stepped in shit and everyti e he is close to the location eh is very wary!
"Religion poisons everything.". -- Christopher Hitchens
But what now, in 2024, after the genocide in Gaza?
I like it !!
Patreon page is not supporting any creature now, correct ?
It is so interesting to listen to and try to understand. The sound is rather bad, and could be much better.
Is there any transcript of these 2 part interviews?
There's the audio transcript from youtube you can copy to get something readable after some formating and cleaning. The option to display the transcript is the last one (below the vid).
This interview was 6 years ago and it’s happening right now. He was right then
The sharpest brain with a heart. Thank you to both of you for this interview.
He does not answer the questions well. And he comes across as petty towards people who hold other views. And he admits that he rejects even taking into consideration any IDF army document. This is hilarious for someone who claims to be searching for the truth.
You know he's a reformed zionist, right? He knows darn well what would and wouldnt be put in writing. It's called discernment, knowing from hence the info is coming from helps one know the credulity that comes with it.