Ilan Pappé: The Only Option is Prison
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- In part two of their discussion, journalist Max Blumenthal talks to Israeli historian Ilan Pappé about how the mere presence of Palestinians in Israel threatens the Israeli narrative
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Wow! How prescient was this conversation? To the T!
Scarily accurate.
Perfect time to review this video...
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Jews have certainly come full circle.
Holocaust 1.0 was inflicted by others on the Jews.
Holocaust 2.0 is now being inflicted by the Jews on 'others'.
This will definitely not end well for Israeli people if they continue to ethnically cleanse another group of people.
Who will be next after the Palestinians???
Thank you Ilan and Max, for your wisdom and knowledge on the Palestine Israel matter. I spent 2 years in the region around the First Gulf War and have felt the shocking injustice in the Occupied Territories, travelling around on my bicycle. The current destruction of Gaza and the endless slaughter by the Israeli modern war machine, keeps me awake at night.
Hereby I want to apologize for my people, the Dutch. Our politicians, with a few exceptions, stand by Israel and so do most of the Dutch people, I believe. The Dutch, in general, are totally clueless as to the true nature of the State of Israel and its illegal actions. The Dutch have been extensively brainwashed by 75 years of one sided information by the Dutch media. I am very sorry for the Palestinian victims and my heart bleeds for the Occupied People. May Palestine be free one day!
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I feel the same as a French with strong family connections in the Caribbean Islands and Austria, both countries with a biased conception of colonialism and imperialism, racism in general. Countries where it is not easy to have calmly this kind of discussion. May the efforts of clear minds, their courage and their humanity inspire us all to say and do the right thing, however we can reflect and talk together both to rebuild together and to preserve together all the endangered beautiful human cultures. Let's protect Palestine's
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You speak a load of shite.
Its strange to watch this for the first time today in our current moment. Makes it hirt my heart even more.
Thank you Ilan and Max.
Respect to the fair, educated and intelligent people like Ilan 👍
He is bias like most people. He missed a lot of crucial details.
@@Tatiana-cp1fc How many children has israel killed today?
@@Tatiana-cp1fcperhaps missed some details, but got the essence right.
Very very informative; 100 % anaylitical and expertly covers this conflict! Thank you BOTH❤
Amazing he foretold the current war at 10.13.
Ilan Pape really is the best.
How prophetic are Pappe's words in the second half of this video ?
great respect for these two
You only respect self hating jews.
"It's already out there. They can't kill the message. We will keep voicing our objection. They will not be able to stop it. Our time will come."
Ilan Pappe' and Max Blumenthal. How PRESCIENT.
I have no words for his pain.
So happy to see some decent Israelis.
They even control the number of calories consumed person in Gaza.
Thanks needs to be talked about.
Sad to see all this anti-semitism, jews are not a monolithic group, there is many variations, there is lot of noble jews, who is disgusted by the political system of Israel, and the foreign policy of the country. I am a muslim, and is hoping for peace, love to work with this kind of people, like Ilan Pappe, noam chomsky, norman finkelstein, true intellectual that can enlight our world.
I hope one day the Black community will stand up and take the claim that is theirs.
The real Hebrews are black Mozes was black Aaron was Black...
The khazar (gog and Magog) the ones Alexander the great blocked, are the colonialists and the hijackers of the real Judaism..
They hijacked Christianity or created it.and brought upon the people the false Messiah (white Jesus)
I wished the whole world knew this
Claim it ! The whole world is going to now the truth soon.
the real enemy of free palestine is america because of its interests in middle east and israel is just a puppet , so they use misinformation and potraying palestinians as violent and against state of israel .its sad to see the life palestinians have lived under occupation for so long , its the far right americans and far right zionists and globalists who are behind this genocide but also the jewish population of israel are fed up with their Governments behaviour towards the palestinians always provoking tensions but mainstream media wont show you the ordinary jew's opinion or attitude but there are afew terrorist settlers just like hamas
Jews have certainly come full circle.
Holocaust 1.0 was inflicted by others on the Jews.
Holocaust 2.0 is now being inflicted by the Jews on 'others'.
This will definitely not end well for Israeli people if they continue to ethnically cleanse another group of people.
Who will be next after the Palestinians???
The Cyber and Information Highway indeed enables me to find this interview today, 7 years later… Thank you.
Well said Max great content
Ten Myths About Israel is a must-read.
On the right site of hystory! ❤
Heartbreaking that this is 6 years old. but thank you.....
Very educational, thank you. When will the international community remove their blinders?
Watching it at a time when Israel again is in deep trouble because of Hamas, as a result of Israel's apartheid Policy and occupation of Palestine. Salute to Ilan Pappe for his commendable work on the Palestinian Cause. And you have a lovely smile :)
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I was thinking the same thing about his smile :) And, of course how smart and brave he is!
Israel gave the palestines Gaza in 2005. Since then they could do whatever they wanted, so what exactly occupation are you talking about?
@@y.l7455 Are you trolling or are really that misinformed? Since 2005, everything going in an out of Gaza is controlled by Israel. There is also constant drone surveillance and airstrikes at anything Israel doesn't like. You call that letting them do what they want?
@@y.l7455don't be dumb isreal control in ND out of Gaza ND Westbank they colonized the land so much u can't even recognize it anymore
Excellent
Max, you are a gift to humanity. Much respect and love to you
Brave heart decent man
This is fascinating to listen to TODAY.... This is from 7 yrs ago....
GOD bless you...Shalom...
Makes me want to read more of his books
The picture of the arrival of the Zionist fighters on trucks reminds me the images of the arrival of Daesh terrorists on tanks in Raqqa, Syria.
Reminds me of when the Nazi storm troopers or brown shirts would roll in.
@nature giver Mr no name, its not spectrum physics, both came to loot and steal
Yeah! Before there was Daesh, Al Qaeda or any other terrorist organisation in the middle east, there were several Jewish Zionist terrorist organisations spreading terror in the area.
So if anything, Islamic ones learned from them.
Really! There is no comparison stupid.
Mr. Pappe and Max are tremendous.
Thanks for both parts
Why only 44K viewed this video for 6 years??!
Is this being burried by youtube?!
the german colony in the mideast...
EXACTLY!
The evil thinking over such a long time and the manipulation of EVERYONE is truly shocking
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Das war vor 7 Jahren. Wie unglaublich treffend schon damals. All die Punkte, die heute so vehement abgestritten werden liegen offen zutage.
So hard to watch this now, with the onslaught on Gaza.
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Outstanfung! Thanks.
Thank God for truth
Evan Yitsak Rabin referred to Bantustan regions (as in South Africa) for the Palestinians during the Nakba.
"They are killing civilians" - Ilan Pappé
Sh*t!! This was 6 years ago!! It sounds like a profecy!
Interview Norman Finkelstein
This is so prescient.
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Why isn't this video recommended ?
Seems to me Israel is the wests Achilles heel.
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9:10 and on. Damn.
"Moving Foward"
Majority of Iranians consider Iran the biggest prison guarded hy Islamic fundamentalism too
Gawd ain't a real estate agent like Trump
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In 1967 they attacked the USS liberty not a battleship. They killed 34 of our soldiers and injured over 100 series injured over 100 they shot the ship all the hell they blew it all the hell they dropped napalm on it. Just thought you might like to know, Israel is wrong
Think... why after 1947 the muslims population, mainly from emegrants is larger with over 50%? Who wants to live in a prison?
A little bit of critical thinking didn't kill nobody.
"People we forced in open air prisons are reproducing. See they are totally fine and this totally justifies our actions! They can't stop breeding like animals!"
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Pappe supports BDS, but Chomsky, Finklestein and others on the far left don't. Why is this?
Why do you not rather talk about Jordan that is the product of colonization?
Yes Gaza is prison with a beaches, malls, markets, banks, roads, cars, buses, hospitals, schools, squares, movie theaters, pools, mosques, zoo, boats, street celebrations, restaurants, internet, TV, hotels, parties, football stadiums, universities, Pal police and pal court system, government and Pal prisons, unlimited supply of food, access to Egyptian border. What kind of prison is this? I have never heard about prison with a beaches and malls.
Egypt is Arab Muslim country that has border with Gaza. Why you don't blame Egypt? Why it is only Israel guilty? Why?
Because leftist Regressives dont like logic
Elizabeth Ferrari what's the point who cares? invest in development instead of weapons and your life will improve. Again LOGIC.
Humanitarian impact of blockade. reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-strip-humanitarian-impact-blockade-november-2016
and again who the fucking cares?! If their "muslim brothers" dont want to help who will?
Here we go again from Mr odfighter. Whats up man ? Your one liners are simple but are packed with Hasbara punches like . Leftist-regressives or Muslim brothers all these word bites suit your agenda but will never work haha and I Love Israel but I don't like injustice >
No. They are Arabs from neighboring countries that moved to the Jewish land for work. (There are also some leftover Turks from the Ottoman Empire.)
Common 'palestinian' last names are al-Masri (the Egyptian,), al-Djazair (the Algerian), el-Mughrabi (the Moroccan), al-Yamani (the Yemenite) and even al-Afghani.
The Muslim population of Palestine in the first half of the twentieth century grew at the same pace as the Muslim population of Egypt. Where Jews in Egypt made work for Muslims too? It's called progres, you fuc...king dumb Zionazi.
How many children has israel killed today?
So basically there was no body their when immigrant European jews came there?
lan Pappe is an ex-Israeli, ex-historian. This guy was expelled from his Israeli university position after he was found to be fabricating historical data. Pappe's books have been critiqued by many reviewers since his interpretations are based on half-truths, falsified facts and wishful thinking. He makes a living by receiving big $$$ from Saudi Arabia.
What you're doing is a fabrication. Zionists' denial creates a scenario whereby a Zionist team of liars aka hasbara propagandists, will concentrate on discrediting the truth teller same as FOX does where you hear pundits lie, lawmakers lie, radio show hosts lie, even using the same phrases of lies, and it goes after all who expose their criminal enterprise. Go back as far as the first reporter expelled from Germany who exposed the Nazis for who they were, Dorothy Thompson, an award winning journalist who had a national radio show. She was initially Pro Zionism, a home for the Jewish people seemed reasonable, until she gathered more context, which she did when she went there saw the refugees Zionists had created by expelling Palestinians from their land and in returning she told the same truth Ilan Pappe is telling and where is she in history? No one knows who she is, the Zionist mafia and their cohorts went after her the same as AIPAC goes after those who tell the truth about the Zionist political plans, today Cynthis McKinney refused to bow to the AIPAC crime lords, who refuse to register as they're supposed to as foreign lobbyists, and a bought Congress and FEC easily accepts, whereas before they just changed the groups name, but they were still buying politicians.
If Ilan Pappe is lying, then there'd be no other sources to back up the narratives he's researched, and tells about. BUT add Miko Peled, Gideon Levy, JVP, Lia Trachansky(sp), and the list goes on and on. The facts are there, and many from the Zionists sources themselves as well as some of the IDF soldiers. The internet has given the truth a way to be told, that is not Pro-Israel across the board, and finally the facts are being told.
You're just blowing smoke, how much is the hasbara project paying you? You are aware there's vetting that folks can do and find out, you didn't think anyone would just take you at your word, and if you post in multiple areas you get a name and you can file as many users as you want but your garbage talk can be seen through easily.
Are you aware Pappe is at another university, that Israeli academia was prompted by Likud to strong arm him out of his job in Israel? Which means Zionists myth creators prefer lying
As for his other book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, his sources filed are to start, from Ben-Gurion's own diary word for word. And at the front of his aforementioned book, no less than, 16 assorted reviews done, and none pan his work there, no, it's accolades all around. Now if you were Benny Morris or Hilberg, or Finkelstein, then you have cred, but you aren't, essentially you're nobody. How can you look in the mirror knowing the depth of the lies you tell and you provide no sources for what you say, and if you care to, repeat every day, you could say the Wednesday of each week is painted orange for half the day, go ahead, as it is just as meaningless. Life is short, and you choose to waste it in meaningless drivel, ya really think anyone will just accept it?
Go soak yer head in a vat of hydrochloric acid, might help your moral positioning in telling the truth.
Saudi arabia is one of the most important allies of America,Israel is one of the most important allies of america,and altough Israel and saudi arabia are not officialy friends they have much in common,like the best friend of my friend is my friend too
May be Ilan poppe is an ex israeli,cause he's not alloued to live in israel,but h'es not an ex historian
There are also other organizations in israel that are not allowed ,like breaking the silence,bet'zelem ,and many others that are censored
So anybody that doesn't agree with the official politics of a country must be expelled ,or may be sent to the gulags ?
rachel36ify Do you lie to your husband like this also ?
Rachel Never get tired of shilling for the Zionists, do you? Here's on a good video from Pappe on the history of Zionism and Israel. You should listen to it. Maybe then you wouldn't sound so ignorant with all your comments.
ruclips.net/video/D_3Txx8j2Pc/видео.html
I defy you to find one fact in Pappe's speech that isn't true. Since I have no doubt you will be unable to find anything, I will take your lack of a response to this as admitting you are nothing but a low-level Zionist troll.
Truth hurts, doesn’t it?
He was expelled because Israel the “democratic state” didn’t like the fact that they weren’t being portrayed in the best light.So they got rid of him.The “democratic state” isn’t so democratic when you don’t go along with their narrative.
Open prison = Demagogy. If we accept Pappes concepts, then Israel too is an open prison. I am Israeli, and throghout 75 years we cannot pass the northern boarder (Lebanon) nor the northen eastern boarder (Syria), nor southern east (Jordan). Is Cypress an open prison? and the United Kingdom?
so you know what it’s like in Gaza
Not the same Freedom
So you're comparing Gaza to Israel and somehow want to glaze over the fact that Hamas didn't exist 75 years ago but your racist extremist Zionists did
Why are you people killing people in the west bank evicting them illegally???? There is no hamas presence there yet 5000 Palestinians dead in 2 years
You kill ALL non Jews you're a racist apartheid regime that force people into a concentration camp to gas them and bomb them into extinction
Why are you killing people in the west bank
Why are you still evicting people illegally in the west bank?????
Stop using Hamas as a scapegoat to kill Palestinians the west bank proves you people just want Palestinians dead
You cannot be serious 😂😂😂😂. What a moron #FreePalestine
But you have airports, you can - freely - go anywhere any time you want, it’s not the same.
Ilan and Max do not come to Israel
You are not welcome!!
is it because from all the languages Ilan could have spoken, he chose to speak FACTS!
Illan Pappe is an Israeli and lives in both Israel and uk 👍
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