History Primer 178: Webley No.5 Army Express Documentary
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C&Rsenal presents its Primer series where we delve into the story of this classic firearm. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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Additional reading:
Webley Revolvers
Gordon Bruce and Christian Reinhart
Daily News (London)
26 April 1867
Express and Echo
09 April 1867
Wealth and Notoriety: the extraordinary families of William Levy and Charles Lewis of London
Robert Ward
Gun makers of Birmingham 1660 - 1960
Joseph McKenna
Littlegun.be
Adams Revolvers book
Small Arms of the Anglo Boer War 1899 - 1902
Ron Bester
Liege Gunmakers through their Work 1800 - 1950
Alain Daubresse
The Revolver 1818-1865
The Revolver 1865-1888
A.W.F. Taylerson
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Am I the only one who wants a full length episode on the history and development of Ballistol, along the lines of a primer. It sounds like it would be a really interesting video.
Ballistol isn't water soluble, it is water miscible, forming a fine milky suspension of oil droplets in the water. It remains in suspension for a long time, rather like the old style "Soluble " cutting solutions used on machine tools.
So coming from a culinary background, that means its essentially an emulsion right? Like a ballistol aioli lol
That was the first thing that popped into my mind.
@@sergeantbigmac Just say Mayonnaise like a normal human.
@@smartacus88aioli isn't mayo, but both are examples of emulsion
@@smartacus88 haha I knew id rile at least one person up with the word choice... Also yes like someone else said an aioli is technically different, not all aioli is mayo. Most arent actually.
Don't panic that this isn't break-open. After all, every revolver is break-open at least once.
Aah, that wonderful short period in history where every cartridge revolver was a gate loader...
(This may be sarcasm. There is a smaller possibility that it might be right.)
A permanent break-open revolver.
This gun is gorgeous! There's so many late 1800s European revolvers with such beautiful lines and cuts.
Agree 100%
If I had saved(as in “put aside”) $100.00 every time I “nearly bought one” at a gun show… I would HAVE one by now !
How does the "And this..." just get better each time?!?
And why does pure information mix so freakin well with a dash of benign sarcasm?
I love all of these vids..
Webleys Wobble but They Don't Fall Down
Hahaha!
Lol!
Love this new series on the other Webley revolvers guys! I can't wait for you to cover the WG revolver.
Thanks
How much do you like obscure webleys!?
@@Candrsenal more of a general contribution rather than for this specific episode :-)
Ayyy, another C&Rsenal video to watch and possibly fall asleep listening to.
Loving these less commonly known types of Webleys and Tranters etc. Certainly some interesting designs and features that each one may have had over its predecessor too. Great stuff once again you guys! 👏
Another banger from C&Rsenal
Good pronunciation of Birmingham...... UK style.
So basically, the new Henry .357 Revolver is a reinterpretation of the original Webley blunder?
I love seeing the joy that Mae sometimes has firing these guns
I love Ballistol. Even though it smells like vomit, it works great. And it's only a mild vomit smell. This stuff cleans and lubes very nicely.
Excellent video. Well done. What I like most is that apart from the pic showing all the European revolvers, I own an example of every revolver you either showed or pictured.
Great job,as always. Thank you and take care from Alabama!
Dang it! This is out of the vault? It couldn't be more timely for what I'm writing! You guys do it all...
I propose an experiment: 1. GIVE me a WEBLEY. 2. See how long before I can scrounge appropriate belts and a white helmet?
Personally, I am not a big fan of revolvers. However, I love the history. Othias and Mae have taught me to appreciate them. Thank you so much! I look forward to seeing more.
This was interesting, thank you for engagement.
Good one. That is my favorite webley. It's a strange regressive bastard child. I like the balance and the sights. I've shot one and thoroughly enjoyed it.
I blushed when he mentioned beat up army guns used as a hammer...😂
Done it. Seen it got the t-shirt.
The birds head grip limits its utility as a hammer.
Unless your enemy is a bird 🐦
Which is a good thing.
But it has weight. "Weight is a sign of reliability. If it doesn't work, you can always smack them in the head with it" - Boris.
Nothing a bad nail won’t break
on purpose i should think. however you can always turn it sideways.
On an unrelated note, could we please have an “Ian can’t Othias” playlist on the channel, please? 😂👍🏻
Whoohoo! More Webleys!
22:42 This gap between the trigger guard and the plate... For a handgun that isn't that far from being craft-produced it's as wide as the ones you'd be reminded of in the London Underground.
24:22 That insect flew by at the worst of times!
Very aesthetically appealing, this one.. it looks like it means business!
Thanks! Always wondered what the revolver was that Paden bought in Silverado for $5.
This to me looks like it could have been (and should have been) chambered in the .45 Schofield, and just maybe .45 Colt. Webley missed a trick there with the American market.
The .476 variant could chamber .45 LC so should handle .45 Schofield just fine.
@@tomalong99 thank you, so very nice to know. ^~^ and yes, if one has a .45 Colt it will chamber the shorter .45 Schofield ammunition.
As mentioned in the video the Army Express does chamber .45 Long Colt, as well the British service cartridges.
And it was also made in 38 WCF, 44 WCF, and .44 S&W Russian.
And the
@@kevinoliver3083 Yep! it only took me two viewings to see it. though the thought still stands. had Webley prominently marked and marketed it to the west with a rebounding hammer, they would have sold a ton.
“Heavy and a little awkward” I guess I’m the human version of the webley no. 5
You're talking about the rebounding hammer at 11.05. I can confirm that my RIC No.5 Army revolver (#77417) has a Stanton type double spring and rebounding hammer exactly like the illustration at 10.55.
And the improvement over the Colt 1878 is what?
The wheel re-invented, once again.
Thanks for sharing, great video as usual!
Well, the advantage is that it isn't a DA gun from Colt. Kind of a shitty reputation.
@@chaimafaghet7343 to be fair, the colts are 100 years old.
the Old Model had major improvements. the New Model walked them back.
Always learn many new things from you guys! Fantastic episode 👏
Just happened to be rewatching this video while reading the "Webley Solid Frame Revolvers" book from Schiffer publishing. Thought that pistol looked familiar, then I saw the serial number was exactly the same as in the book!
It's pretty expensive, I assume, the add has it listed for 4 pounds, 15 shillings, and 6 pence (if I am reading it correctly).
The ad also says it was available in two calibers, .476 and .44. The "No.5 .476" will chamber .455 (Enfield Mark II), .476 (Enfield Mark III), .450 (Enfield Mark I) and .45 Colt.
Holy crap- Ballistol really wants my business… first Wranglestar was suggesting it’s use and now you guys… I’m kinda obligated to pick some up now…
It's useful stuff. It's not magic, but it's cheap enough (don't get the aerosol) and you can use it on literally everything.
The brits made a colt! It really looks like a colt
Manual safety firing pin also serves as rebound position so a 2-for-1 solution
Between the Colt 1878 and the Webley No 5... for some reason I actually have a preference for the Webley.
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Glad you keep making these
good job!
When you say 'Dirty and French' we say 'Chauchat!'.
I wonder if the very strong backstrap was an attempt to appeal to the Navy. Back in the single shot pistol days seamen were trained to throw their pistol at the enemy after firing it, and so their pistols were very robust. I imagine that the senior officers in purchasing-decision-making positions in the 1870s/80s would have served and seen combat in that era so may have been focussed on the strength of the frame to withstand being thrown like an axe and hitting something solid at short range.
It looks like an improved Reichsrevolver
Still released a year before the Reichsrevolver. The retro revolver market obviously had not quite got into full swing yet.
"Rebuilt in south Africa" "Monkeyed around for a bit" 😂
Thanks Great show
Woooh! Revolvers!
Great Video!
Kinda surprised Ian Mc-GunJesus hasn't gotten in on this more often...
othias forgot to mention that ballistol helps prevent projectile disfunction.
Bravo!
To me, the step backwards sounds more like a War Office 'request' to rugged-ize and simplify it for issue to the lower ranks and service in the more remote areas of the Empire
I just bought my first ever can of ballistol. I haven't opened it yet ,but I will make some moose milk next time I shoot black powder..
Birmingham is and was a city and made all sorts of metal things. Generally smaller ones.
At first, I somehow misread this as "Birmingham is a city made from all sorts of metal things," and it didn't really seem all that wrong.
Cool.
Big Truck selling Ford fiesta's would be the ultimate bait and switch. Make sure you do sell truck nuts though.
It's English. Was Lucas Electric involved ?
No, because the gun would always function 😅. Regards from Canada 🇨🇦
I have never heard of triple action! What is it?
Old terminology for a double action because cocking the hammer back for single action is the third. Term holds its place somewhat for the arc of revolver development up to its plateau in the early 20th century.
A little disappointed they didn't compare the webleys and tranter to the S&W #3 top-break. Would have liked to hear their opinions.
The #3 is a single action, kills it right there.
@@tenofprime Oh, right. :/
I don't know why, but it's a good looking hun in my opinion
a question on that hammer safety, does it pull the firing pin back far enough that rebounding isn't needed
Wesley's Olde fashioned
What is a "triple action" revolver? How is it different from a "double-action"?
It is capable of being fired as a single action or a double action.
1 + 2 = 3
Nice work, as usual. How's that 1911 video coming along?
Neat
Neat!
But what about the tup-brk
2 pounds, 12 shillings. Thats about two and a half pounds plus two shillings Which equals about four hundred and ten dollars in today's money
Thank you for the video. Commenting for the Algorithm. The episodes are out of order in the playlist, it goes 177 179 180 178, so when you are able to, can you fix it?
Something you dont see everyday: Webley with a loading gate
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The contemporary Michael Kofman Is my go-to source on Ukraine commentary.
Webey Proof mark in .455 for the T-shirt?
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Honest question but is it normal that the older i get the more intresting these older quirky firearms get ?
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They do not exist in the USA
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"the horn..." Oops.
I want one
The Colt 1873 was considered by the British to be "too delicate a mechanism for colonial service" ??
Thats absurd 😂
Now we know who the richshrevoler was made for!
It makes me wonder what they would have thought of a Ruger Super Blackhawk. Still too delicate? 🤣
Colt's DAs don't exactly have a great reputation.
@@derekp2674 No, Colt had a London branch and they were well known to be crap.
@@derekp2674 The SA ones were fine, but Colt really fucked up DA and since SA only persisted in the US, it kind of shafted them on British contracts.
At least we know what girl jean pockets are for. Lol
What is the purpose of the triangular nub sticking out behind the trigger ?
It's the sear. It holds the hammer back and releases it when pressed by the trigger. Having it exposed like that seems common on Tranter-style revolvers
@@jamespalmer7629 Thank you, I could not for the life of me figure out what it could possibly be for as it makes no sense for, say, a weird manual safety or something like that.
Europe's complete and utter inability to get revolver ergonomics right, even when they had the often superbly ergonomic American examples to copy off of, will always be one of the most fascinating aspects of firearms history. It makes absolutely no sense, just mind boggling.
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Liked and commented so Gun Sasquatch can eat.
He said Dirty and French and i thought ian would appear.
SAA in d.a.?
Or British homage to the Colt 1878?
Feeding the algorithm
Engagement
My fav revolver! Can we own them in Britain,,,, like hell we can!
Well we certainly can own these, but we'd most likely also need to own a section 7.1 or 7.3 firearms certificate unless we were lucky enough to find one only chambered for an officially obsolete cartridge.
@@derekp2674
What cartridges are considered obsolete anyway? I've done a brief overview of the laws in the UK but it would be nice to have a definitive up to date list. I assume 450 Adams and 455 Enfield would be alright, but 476 Enfield would not?
We still have a bit to deal with when it comes to antiques here in Canada too.
At first glance an antique requires no license to own and applies to any firearm manufacturered before 1898. But on further investigation it's not that simple.
For example any repeating firearm (other than a revolver or semi auto pistol), or any firearm using a cartridge with a bullet of 8mm or less, is always a modern firearm. Requiring a license to own.
Furthermore any 12GA/Bore cartridge gun is considered modern.
When in comes to handguns it becomes even more difficult. As any handgun 45LC and pretty much the entire .38 family of American centerfire cartridges will always be considered modern, even if they only shoot black powder. Even all reproduction match, wheel, flint and percussion lock reproduction handguns are considered modern (whereas reproduction match, wheel, and flint reproduction longarms are not). As it stands now, the current "modern" (any handgun manufacturered after 1898) handgun market has been frozen by the government. So you couldn't get an Uberti 1851 even if you tried.
I think we may have fewer options than you guys, now that I contemplate it.
@@dwi2921 In the UK a list of obsolete calibres forms par of the Antique Firearms Regulations 2021. I think there is also a cut off date of manufacture, which must be before 1939, and anything held as an antique must not be ever fired. So modern replicas do not qualify.
None of the British service revolver cartridges are on the list. I suspect this is because batches of brand new .450 are available from time to time and will chamber in all of the later .455 and .476 chambers.
S&W .44 Russian was recently added to the list because some criminals were acquiring revolvers in that calibre and then getting ammunition made using modified .44 Special cases.
@@derekp2674
Damn, that sucks. I had heard about the changes in 2021, but didn't know about 450, 455 or 476. Also what the deal with criminals using antiques over there, it's not like there is a shortage of illegal modern handguns in Europe/UK?
So you would be able to obtain a No5 Express in 38-40 or 44-40 then?
@@dwi2921 I'm sure both 44 40 and 38 40 are not on the obsolete list.
Also, despite what some press reports might suggest, illegal firearms are relatively hard to obtain in the UK. I've seen other press reports that show some of the firearms used in crime are converted blank firers or reactivated deactivated firearms. So whilst some criminals can get hold of decent quality black market firearms, the prices paid are high enough to stimulate the offer of lower cost but poorer quality options.
How do you know so much about guns? Is your dad a military man?
Maybe they used their middle finger to pull the trigger instead of the finger we use nowadays
There are few things more attractive than a gorgeous woman holding a gorgeous gun.....
I almost feel like this pistol was a joke. Someone decided to make the worst pistol mocking what the army wanted as a joke. They found it and insisted on it. It makes sense no other way.
60th, 30 May 2023
Click thinking it was a minuter to find it's a 54 minuter.
Hey, 54 times the fun.
ENGAGE!
at least I can belive. that you used the product before. you got paid for it. It´s not like you are chilling for something. using more or less the same words as all other.