History of WWI Primer 053: Italian Glisenti 1910 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Additional reading:
Le cinque Vite Della Glisenti 1910
Emanuele L. Marciano and Adriano Simoni
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9×19mm *-P* cartridge
9X19 -P -
Today it will be sold as "9mm Luger 124grains FMJ subsonic" cartridge
AKA WWB 9mm
Still too fast. The Glisenti has a muzzle speed of about 1000 fps / 300ms
It kills Italians just fine?
This gun was made by my family
wow rlly!
A GREAT Italian Pistol! Your family made a Great Gun!
@@raymondkisner9240 it actually quite underpowered
Good weapon
Senior Glisenti: Sir please explain to me why the 9 mm Glisenti was used instead of the 9mm Luger or a 380acp ? And Sir what was your family ties with Beretta? Thank You Hon Sir for answering my question.
You know, when the 1911 episode comes, I half expect Othias to go something like: "Hi, my name is Othias, and I have no idea what this thing is. Let's put it in the lightbox anyway."
Если бы у Мусалини был лучший пистолет, он хотя бы смог застрелиться)
Othais, between you and Ian (Forgotten Weapons) I get THE most complete picture of weapons possible. This time, your team shot it out of the park. YOU ROCK! Man I have read Hoog, Elmer Keith, Smith and Smith, Cooper, and almost every other writer for the last 100 years but between your knowledge of history, animations, Mae's shooting and comments, and the general way you run a show (also Mark. My GAWD! keep that guy, you folks are a PERFECT TEAM!) you have one of the best firearms history presentations...EVER. and, (I am not un-informed) I learn something every time. When C&Rsenal is on, I know I have a far better and informational entertainment then well heck...the rest of the netowkrs coudl EVER provide. In Other words Crew: Me 'at is off to yee. My Compliments!
I'm glad you're enjoying it so much!
I agree with Grey Pilgrim, I watch you and Ian , and learn something new every time.
I agree. If you want to learn about firearm designs, this channel and Forgotten Weapons is where it is at. You will learn more in a week then an entire course in school.
Agreed; I took a summer course decades ago in gun smithing in Trinidad Colorado. Soon after I woke up and decided I was never getting rich that way, but in terms of design, Ian and Othias could have taught my Professor more then HE KNEW!
I strongly agree with you on this. He is truly a master,He should be a history teacher!
Sometimes I imagine Othias goes around and randomly shouts "BODEO!" Occasionally.
Good lord that laugh was horrifying.
I need a subtitled gif of that laugh
He wrote the laugh in his script as AHAHAHA, yet it still startled the hell out of me.
I was turned away from my PC when that laugh happened. I had thought my PC broke and my speakers were freaking out.
I freaking lost my shit right there.
I read your comment before watching this episode. I kinda wish the horrifying laugh came from Mae :-D
Such a mild mannered gentleman... Until the "AHAHAAAHAAAHAAA" split my eardrums faster than a stokes landing a meter from my head. Cheers, Othias.
It's a good thing the Italians didnt adopt the Colt 1902. We all know that design was an evolutionary dead end.
well I think it's a beautiful handgun. And, btw, you have a great username
Mind that, in that case, they would have adopted the 1902, period. Not it's evolutions.
It's not by chance that none adopted the 1902.
I like pickles.
I mean it's not even Italian
. . . because if Browning had designed more pistols for Colt, they'd have been given a Primer episode by now.
17:53 All the stupid questions and time wasting emails finally broke him.
No I just ended up with ulcers.
Othias, I like the way you plug their books and throw business their way.
They deserve so much love!
C&Rsenal are y'all down in South Carolina
Do you guys plan to do anything relating to Russia in WWI. There are at least three more guns you can do relating to this. There is the Winchester Model 1895, The Berdan II and Mosin Nagant.
Now that is the kind of plug I can get behind
JUST DAWNED ON ME! Where I had seen that gun before. When I was a kid, I loved the Saturday morning cartoon shows on TV! Mattel was the toy maker that sponsored many of them, and one of their great toys was the spy camera/gun. It was a camera that, of course, didn't take pictures but press the button and a barrel popped out the front, a grip dropped down and you had a cool cap gun! When in the gun mode, it looked very much like this pistol!
Tomorrow is a holiday in my country (Flag Day) so I can watch this at 2 am and feel no guilt. Take that, C&Rrsenal!
That Winchester on the wall is just there to taunt us, isn't it
Tangero as long as it isn't the 1895 Russian taunting me I'm okay lol
You mean the one on the third spot during shooting impressions?
Tangero shit I didn't even notice the switch lol... now I am upset :(
Tangero The Sea Cowboy Captain probably read someone the riot when she came in to comment on the pistol. That Winchester is one of her favorite prescious firearms.
Having owned a Winchester lever action model 94 in 30-30 before my (aussie) govt took my "Fudd" guns in 96 I was in love with these rifles from the old cowboy movies. Fun fact im srsly thinking of obtaining a 22 air pellet gun for pest control after I submit to a govt back ground investigation to decide if im a "Fit & proper person" then do the $250 safety coarse to then buy a gun safe anchored to building to store my pellet & paintball guns. Of coarse the police can enter my property 24/7 to verify im in legal compliance. 😕
Part of comedic perfection is waiting for the right moment to reveal a new technique. Beautiful. Equal to Mae's smile in Fun Factor.
Once again we learn that Italian weapons have the most entertaining origin stories.
*Already hyped for the Fiat-Revelli*
It will be wonderful to see one firing. But I suspect he was talking of a Villar Perosa (another Revelli design).
I also really want to see a SIA 1918 LMG (guess who designed it?)
Quality work Othais and team. Thankyou again.
Once again you've satisfied my history jones. Thanks.
Wow! That's the most balanced flip I've seen yet!
ravioli ravioli give me the giisentioli
Exactly! Sounds like something I order in an Italian restaurant along with my Gelato.
The Waifucopter i really wish they had a skit at the beginning where Othais was ordering at an "Italian restaurant" and ordered a Glisenti and got this on a plate.
The Waifucopter ♥♥♥
Hahaha lol roflmao
@@panzerabwerkanone exactly let's dont forget the side order of salad lol
The animations are getting better and better. Great work with the zoom-in and all that stuff.
17:52 Well that was unexpected. A good video as always though.
Yes, the animation highlights the parts being talked about. I hope this continues.
good job guys production is so slick.
As one who is interested in WW1 history and an Italian I really appreciate your work, very interesting and detailed video; also because you give specifications also in metric system, thanks
glad you liked it
Even though pistols killed statistically zero soldiers in the great war, their history and production and engineering was awesome. And the glesenti kinda reminds me of the type 14 Nambu pistol.
Alvin York killed some germans with the 1911
I love this series more and more with each episode.
great as always
I was reading "Liquidate Paris" by Sven Hassel and in the book, one of Sven's fellow soldiers traded a Nagant revolver for a Glisenti. Brought me to your video to find out what a Glisenti was!!
Wow what memories you brought back! My grandpa passed me his Sven Hassel books and when he passed away I kept them near my bed so I could remember him in his best shape. He also passed me the engineering passion
Terrific book, read it on the plane to Afghanistan when I was 22. Feels like 1000 years ago, but actually just 2 decades.
FINALLY! You guys covered the Glisenti 1910. I don't know why but I have a weak spot for these pistols. My brother purchased a pair of these at a local gun show (seller wouldn't sell them separately) for a rather modest sum (considering there were two of them) after I brought them to his attention. He later sold the rougher of the two bringing his purchase point for one pistol even lower.
Alas we have not shot it yet as we are trying to find ammunition for it. We are aware of a regular at our local gun shows who has the info to hand load some for us. Barring that we are somewhat leary about firing it as we don't know it's previous history. I don't know how one would tell if it has had 9mm Parabellum fired through it.
Thank you Othias for the info about the safety. I'm sure we will check it out next time it emerges from the depths of the gun safe.
I have a soft spot for these pistols too^^
Damn, mechanically ive gotta say that this seems like an all around pretty slick design.
Great episode !
Thanks
This channel deserves more subscribers.
thanks
"These cracked up as much as I did"... as I did too, as I did too...
I have nothing to add but commenting helps the videos get ranking in search.
I like the new animations. Also I'm glad you added the POV of the sights during the review. This is an interesting pistol, if only they would've left it alone when it was looking like a decent pistol it might've been better. Using a 9x19 cartridge was definitely a mistake too.
By the way, I'm so excited about he shirts. My birthday is coming up and I'm getting at least one of each shirt.
Would .380 be a good substitute for 9mm Glisenti ?
I've shot .380 out of a Norco 213,
Chambered & fired, but , not enough power to eject & fully cycle.
I LOVE AND APRECIATE SO SO MUCH YOUR OUTMOST RESPECT TO THE AUTORS OF BOOKS .The world would be a better place if at least 30%of Her inhabitors would be like you .
How do you spell “Hosslaroche”? 11:28 I love fusion of C96 and P08 designs and would like to know more about this gun but I can’t find anything under the various ways I’ve tried to spell it
"it's not a very reliable handgun" "we had many stovepipes"
The extractor is clearly bent. Bending the extractor inward is an easy fix for a weakened one, but you can't expect the reliability of one in pristine conditions.
BTW the bore axis is EXACTLY as high as in a Walther P38. It's only the shape of the gun that makes it seems higher.
Actually, at the time of it's introduction, and through all WWI the possibility for a Glisenti 1910 to shoot a 9mm Luger cartridge by mistake was close to zero (unless a German officer tried to use his cartridges on a captured pistol, but obviously the Italians didn't care of this case). The 9mm Luger was not the most widespread 9mm cartridge in the world, but a cartridge used by only one handgun. Due to it's use in the Villar Perosa since 1915, Much more 9mm Glisenti cartridges than 9mm Luger had been manufactured until the end of WWI.
The real slaughter of Glisenti pistols came only in 1943, when, with the disbanding of the Italian Army, many of those guns came in possession of partisans, that had to use them with any cartridge they could find.
For the "overcomplicated", the Glisenti is actually made with less parts than a Luger or a 1911. It's expensive to make, cause it requires a high level of machining, but not that complicated.
In the end, it's a lot of good ideas, ruined by only one of them, the side plate, that makes the frame too flimsy. With a single piece frame (it would have required to change the way of stripping the gun, but not even that much) the gun could have probably fired 9mm lugers, and today you would have seen much more of those antiques used at the ranges, with the enthusiasts arguing on what was better between this, the Luger, the Astra, ecc...
On a side note, when Mussolini was arrested by the partisans at Dongo in his attempt to flee in April 1945, he had a Glisenti 1910 with him.
I want one now lol! Love your videos
When May said at end of review 'Im good' Really enjoy her role in review
For the general public, the book's title in English is The Five Lives of the Glisenti 1910.
I wish they sold a version in English
I wonder if they had stuck with .30 Luger ?
Sleep is for the weak.
I can sleep a week!
keith moore or you live on the west coast lol
any videos where Mae gives a "hard yes"? yeah... im serious.... much love C&R :-) you guys are amazing
think Lugers earned that
The music during the animation sounds like something out of the Mass Effect trilogy, it's quite nice!
To quote Get Shorty "The Fiat of Guns"
FIAT = Für Italiener Ausreichende Technik = Technology sufficient for Italians.
Okay, first off, this isn't me asking for/demanding the M1911 episode. This is me understanding that the Browning 1900/M1911 setting the pattern for modern Semi-auto handguns is more than the gun being on the side of the victors of the history of the 20th Century.
JAM-O-MATIC! Good effort on getting this episode in. That gun did not make it easy apparently.
Nice group 👌
He laughs like Rocket Raccoon.
"That is the most real, authentic, hysterical laugh of my entire life..."
For some reason I misheard the intro as "Italy was fucking up" and thought Othais was just being real for a minute there.
Reminds me of the Type A "Grandpa" Nambu, but oddly taller. Gramps got some lifts!
Insightful .......
The modello 1899 would be interesting.
Wakes up ready to study.
Sees episode about Italian gun.
No time to study, the Piave is calling!
I'd love to see special that just focuses on the vast variety of bullets used in WWII.
we keep prodding drake
Can you reccomend any books that detail information about Japanese handguns? I know the question is irelevant but I was just curious.
You guys really need to do an episode on that ppsh caliber m1911 you got on your wall...
Are you guys gonna do an Episode on the Krag Jorgensen? It'd be interesting to see how that action works.
Looking forward to a review of the earlier Berretta's.
17:53 SOMEBODY PLEASE MAKE A GIF OF THAT SHIT
Many Miles Away do the crusader
Ask and ye shall receive.
imgur.com/gallery/aWC0b
You know I have owned plenty of guns in the past, from an old Luger that was in pristine condition, some of those little .32 and 380 pistols from the Checz area, 9mm makarav and plenty of 9mm par pistols, now all I have left in my drawer are two .45's one an officers model M1911A1 and the other an Astra A-100. Love the .45's but for kicks, I would love to have one of these pistols just to take out plinking with light loads of 9mm.
What is the historical song on this one for the shooting section?
keep it up
At least it gave the Italians a cartridge for the villar perosa. I’d be sad if that weird thing never got made.
Keep it up
why do the rifles on the wall keep changing? that model 94 wasnt there before.
C&Rsenal at 50% speed on your youtube settings- try it.
What kind of ammunition can you fire?
What is the name of the song when Mae is shooting?
Othais, can I please go to bed on time for once? ;n;
no
C&Rsenal you rare putting your subscriber's health in danger
Othias doesn't sleep, what makes you special ?
C&Rsenal knew that was coming
What metal is the clip er... magazine fabricated from? It does look really flimsy, possibly aluminum. Has it lost it's hardening over time or was it not even heat treated?
Kevin Sullivan almost all magazines back then were made from Steel, usually very mild sheet steel of some type or another.
I believe you've answered this question before, but do you plan to eventually do world war 2 firearms? I'd really like to learn more about the MP-28 and MP-34
Out of curiosity, did you guys hand load for these? I'm imagining so as original ammo is impossible to come by.
If so, do you happen to have any load data available? I have one of these, as well as a Beretta in the same cartridge, and haven't found any reliable data for it. It is basically just 9mm downloaded but I haven't found a reliable velocity figure for it.
If you email me I can forward to Jay to get his notes.
I don't think you have playback speed change enabled for viewers on this video.
how do i write the name of pistol in 11:28?
I love how you just threw Ians name out there and assumed everybody just knew who you were talking about. I mean we do, but I just thought it was funny lol.
there is a pop up overlay link..
Primer and Anvil are how I know its Tuesday
I'm waiting for the BAR
That laugh startled me. Don't do that man, now I need new pants.
I'm wondering how much "high" that bore axis really is. Surely it's higher than that of the Luger, but, picturing the barrel as completely covered by the slide, the recoil spring under it, and a dust cover, it doesn't seem higher than that of a SIG P226, that's a relatively hig bore axis pistol, but modern and perfectly viable.
the snappy feeling when firing is probably more due to the scarce mass on the front of the handgun. The more the mass is concentrated around the center of gravity, the easier is to make it roll.
I just have to ask what determines the gender of a firearm?
so the cei rigatonni is next?
vogonford thank you for that joke sir, mama mia
Sad this wasn't in bf1, we did get the bodeo and modello
(I think I misspelt it)
I like that the shorthand term for the modello 1915 became "modello" as if that doesn't just mean "model"
25:19 Winchester on the wall
43:19 No Winchester on the wall,
BUT a Winchester with the best smile. :)
Is that a Winchester 94 on the wall behind you? :D
OH COME ON, I LITERALLY JUST GOT A CHANCE TO WATCH THE CHECKERING VIDEO
You had a week...
Posting from the year 2021 and still no Brixia episode.
"reached one bit too far" that sums up Italian military history brave soldiers let down by "good enough" mentality, poor leadership decisions, and Italian artisan hand made industry. though i'm glad it turned out that way or i wouldn't exist XD
The Bodeo and Carcano were perfect for the economy as it was.
+Angelo Barker That's adapting facts to beliefs. The Glisenti M1910 was probably too refined to be a good military handgun. It was more a range pistol brought in battle. The same mistake of the Ross rifle, or of the Schmidt-Rubin (had it really been used in battle) that were not Italian weapons. But who adopted it, with it's long machining process and its tungsten-steel barrel, certainly didn't think that it was "good enough". On the other hand the Bodeo revolver, or the Carcano rifle, were perfect to be mass-produced, and used in trench conditions.
Every army of the world, at the start of a war, has a similar mix in his equipment. Some piece is very good, some is decent, some is outdated, some should have never been selected. It's the natural outcome of selection process that are not infallible, economic restraints, and of not knowing in advance what the conditions of the next war will be.
It has to be taken in account that, from the selection of the Bodeo and of the Carcano to that of the Glisenti, more that 15 years have passed. The conditions of Italian economy had changed, and the Army had moved on from the "crude but effective" mentality. In the same years they were thinking of adopting semiauto rifles for all the army, but, in the meantime, they were producing trench knives from the tips of the shortened Vetterli Vitali bayonets. It doesn't exist a "one size fits all" answer.
Angelo Barker j
I love how it was nicknamed the Poormans luger
Hi team, is there a anvil episode on this pistol
A small part of me wished that you and Ian had secretly planned to release videos on the Winchester 1895 on the same day. Instead, i got this. Im still glad, just a little sad
sry not sry
C&Rsenal You don't need a bayonet for the 1895, do you?
I don't own one but we generally don't borrow bayonets. We've sort of avoided the topic as they would literally double the complexity of planning inventory ahead of time, despite their low influence on the show.
C&Rsenal With the exception of REALLY expensive or rare examples, (the Winchester Musket being one, though try finding an early SHORT 1895 bayonet!) I just do not understand rifle owners not having the appropriate bayonet. That said, I have like 400 bayonets, so I may have a problem.
I know I'm really late to this party, and it's not all that important in the big scheme of things...but - @ 1:29 - "Francesco" is pronounced "fran-CHES-co" in my experience (said experience including that it was my father's name.) It's no big deal, but it's always good to know for the future. Cheers! :-)
As a suggestion/favor, when you reference another video, e.g. Ian's or your own, could you put links to the video in the description? I think it would help drive traffic to those videos. also, some folks (me, for one) sometimes have trouble tracking them down.
Sorry, it is in the overlay available (according to yt) on all platforms
Original drawings showed round had truncated cone bullet. Noted your cartridges had round nosed bullets. Could this be part of feeding problem? I've seen 9mm Parabellum commercial with truncated cone bullets, does anyone still commercially make this bullet type?
Shouldn't be an issue. The lugers started the same way. If anything round should feed smoother.
Found one of these at a local gun shop, what ammunition did you use for the shooting? Hand loaded or factory?
9mm Glisentii is essentially downloaded 9mm Luger. There are handloading info on the round out there.
Kevin Klosz handloads.
The first line drawing illustration the most notable feature however is that it doesn't have a trigger, and Italian Glisenti sounds like an Ice Cream or sorbet.