How can you say “it’s not fair”? You didn’t have to buy the car, and unless you were looking at EV’s with rose-coloured glasses, there has been plenty of evidence to indicate their atrocious depreciation, among other things. Make decisions, live with the consequences. It’s not a matter of fairness.
fanbois have an incredibly large blind spot that causes them to ignore reality, just like flat earthers or the people that say niburu is coming from under the sun. All kind of mad hatter nonsense the last 20 years. Makes me sad that critical thinking seems to have vanished from almost everyone under 40.
The first horseless carriages had terrible depreciation, also. So what. You have a car for the ages that is 4X more efficient and longer lived than any ICE car. You are driving a pioneer vehicle.
@@lesbenson9421 Longer lived than any ICE car? Are you joking? There are ICE cars in great condition which have been running for 3-5 decades. Modern BEV and hybrids have hardly been around for more than 1 decade. And where did you get your "4x more efficient" statement from? They are not *that* much more efficient than ICE cars, and even if they were that is completely negated by needing to waste so much more of your time charging, and just finding a charger that is not only available but actually functional in the first place. Don't bother replying with "well you can just charge your car at home" because that is something that many people do not have the means to do for a variety of reasons.
Stories like this just make me appreciate my 30 year old Volvo wagon all the more. 300,000 miles, never strands me, rare repairs (which are usually simple and cheap), no payments, cheap insurance, runs efficiently on low grade gas, safe, comfortable, and I get the occasional thumbs-up on the road . Plus, I’m helping the environment by recycling (driving the same car for many, many, many years). 😋 Love it!
Wrong. An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive AUD $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b No disrespect, but you’re full of shit. Factor in the pollution created to generate the already overtaxed electrical grid, the manufacture of electric cars vs. gas cars, the fact that electric cars are heavier, use up tires way faster, only last a few years at best, leading to even more manufacturing and pollution, to say nothing of the extra pollution caused by disposing of all those big heavy batteries….electric cars are a disaster for the environment when all of the bits of reality are factored in. Think about what you’re saying first before jumping on someone that knows quite a bit about this. Unless you like being a mindless lapdog.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b I mean SERIOUSLY! What are you talking about, “zero dollars and zero emissions”????? Far from it, you are living in a knowledge vacuum. 🙄
@@VolkswagenNut1969 Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! In Australia, most EVs are essentially charged with home rooftop solar. After the break even point has been reached with the solar system investment, which is only within a few years, all electricity generated becomes free of charge. This explains why home solar is so popular in Australia. By the 2030s, the _entire_ Australian public electricity grid will be powered by renewable sources, so by default, all EVs will have zero emissions. Tim, you need to be more Australian in your outlook in life and pledge your loyalty to the Governor-General. You will live longer. 🦘🇦🇺
I agree, I'm driving a 82 Land cruiser fj40. Owning vehicles long term is much less wasteful, besides co2 emissions is literally plant food. Co2 is necessary for plants to produce oxygen, but I guess schools aren't teaching this in 4th grade science anymore.
To be Fair, most people don't believe in a "Collective"... And, no matter how loud people have been voicing their opinions against the "Consensus Narritive" being pushed, some people just need to learn through the Road of Hardknocks... I mean, it's like they enjoy being lead through the streets by the Pied Pipers they vote for...Never thinking for themselves!
I can, me. Bought a used 2016 Ioniq EV 3 years ago. Had 35,000 miles (56,000 km) and now has 122,000 miles (196,000 km). Paid $16,000 USD and they are selling for about $15,000.00 now. Note that none of the used ones I've looked at have as many miles as mine, so I know I couldn't sell mine for that much. I've had zero problems with the car, and the range shows about the same as when I bought it. I know this is anecdotal, but it's my story.
The ‘state of the battery’ is irrelevant nearly all of the time as the battery packs are designed the last the life of the EV many times over. There are many EVs around the world which have travelled 500,000km with their original battery packs.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3bwhen you plug a scan tool in you can see how much the battery has degraded. Some mechanics do thhis for you now as part of a pre purchase inspection.
There is no comparison between a mobile phone battery and an EV battery. The BMS makes sure the voltage on the cells never hits zero and maintains a buffer at the top end...This is why EV batteries last so long, easily outliving a typical ICE engine.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 In Australia, most petrol cars are decommissioned and scrapped at 15 years with only 180,000km travelled, as at this point the petrol engine and transmission maintenance is too onerous and uneconomical.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b In the UK the average car is scrapped at 16 years and 150,000 miles. An EV has a fraction of the moving parts and subsystems of an ICE (gearbox, starter motor, fuel pump, water pump etc), the electric motor is good for half a million miles or more and the battery at least 250,000 miles...Eventually it will sink in to the minds of Joe Public that EVs are a much better long term prospect than an ICE which at 15 years is a bag of bolts.
The Macmaster has lost over £60,000 on his electric Taycan in less than 2 years so think yourself lucky, if you had watched any of his videos I doubt you would have bought your Hyundai in the first place.
Aah the great Macmaster. Yeah he got screwed there. Imagine buying a car for 120 quid and it being worth 40k 2 years later. Welcome to EVs. But at least he's making some good money on his EV vids. He needs to keep that car. But most of us can't do that.
Well, seeing as his whole grift is to get anti-ev, Porsche-driver-hating loonies to buy enough of his merch to fund his electric Porsche - successfully, obviously - I don't suppose he's stopped laughing enough to care. Also, check Autotrader and you'll find it's still worth 75-80 k.
@@decimal1815you mean like all the pollution that comes from making the batteries, and don't forget it is still fossil fuels that are powering that EV, unless you think that electricity comes from air.
Based on what? Entitled to your opinion of course, but I'd disagree, charge at night when you sleep and you can go 250-300km on anything newer than a gen2 leaf, eg it's 300km to Cork from Dublin and there's plenty of places to charge enroute if needed. Yes EV owners need to actually plan ahead a bit more than diesel, but that's the trade off
@valient5 i just dont think the country is properly set up for them. Not everyone lives in dublin or cork, they might have to travel 50 or 60km just to find a public charger, I dont own one so im obviously not an expert but the battery seems to be half the price of the car so if that goes youre in big trouble. A lot of dealers are refusing to take them as a trade in it seems too. There just arent enough positives, maybe if the insurance or tax on them was cheaper it would be something
@smashyrashy the main difference you and others might not be considering, is with Electric you no longer need public infrastructure for 90% of most of your charging needs. I've 2 Electrics and only use public charging once or twice a year when driving to the west and back the same day. Its safer for my wife and kids as she doesn't have to leave them in the car to go pay in the garage also. I just saw 4 brand new high power chargers in carrickmines yesterday and there's more popping up everywhere. So your statement is simply not true. Everywhere there's a 3 pin plug, there's a potential charging spot. As the cars improve the time to charge will reduce.
@@valient5 Lucky to park on your property, for highly populated areas, apartment blocks and terraced housing does not afford that luxury. Admittedly most of those living there are unlikely to be able to afford an EV, new is too much and secondhand, just a financial liability on the battery as most mass market cars do not warrant the battery after 2 years. EV’s are best suited to lease/PCP as they can be got rid of after 3 years, bit like a phone contract for those who need the latest tech, a disposable item.
Have several old ice vehicles in our family. Reliable and cheap to run. Yes will consider a Toyota self charging hybrid in the future Because the battery’s in them are readily accessible and repairable and I don’t need to stop for hours to plug in Also in my country 90% of electricity is generated by fossil fuels and the 10 % it now seems generated by wind is more polluting than fossil generated because of the huge maintenance in replacement consumables these wind turbines require
ANY TIME the government offers subsidies, it’s best to turn around and RUN. When has any government done anything in the best interest of any taxpayer? EVER.
It's completely fair. We so-called "anti-EV luddites" warned that this would happen, that they were not selling and that people do not want them. I have no empathy with anybody in this situation because you wouldn't listen and knew best. Whether you think the internal combustion engine is dead or not, it has been with us for over a century and The lack of consumer confidence is entirely justified and correct. As they get older and the warranty expires, who is going to spend anything on these in the knowledge that one day the battery is going to need replacing at a cost of tens of thousands of pounds? Which means used EVs are going to be even less popular than new ones, and the older they are the less likely it is that people are going to want them. You can buy a perfectly decent 10-15 year old car for not much money and not have too much a risk of a very expensive repair bill, but that's just not the case with EVs. Batteries will expire, electronics - a weak spot in ICE cars for many years - will also degrade and need replacing, as will the motors if they fail. These things might not be common failures but the point is if they do fail they practically write the car off because of the cost of replacing them. The lack of servicing requirement is a myth too. No new car requires much in the way of repairs but older cars do, and on older EVs that means huge bills so nobody will buy them.
Now that's critical thinking applied correctly, EV buyers don't seem to have heard of it which is odd as its so easy to do! and good antidote to snake oil salesmen preying on the inherent weakness of virtue signalling 🤣
@@Ifitwerks That's the part I don't understand. Basic research will throw up most of the issues but common sense should too. Yet how often do we see videos or posts from people who have regretted buying them because they didn't realise the charging situation was so bad, they expected it to get better, or the range isn't as good as they were told. Why? Car manufacturers have been creative about mpg figures for decades, with some since admitting that their figures were calculated in a testing lab or on a computer simulation, and guess what - you'll never get close to that figure in the real world, so why should they tell the truth about EVs? Yet buyers seem to believe every word they hear and read and will even argue with you until they are blue in the face, often quoting "experience". NOBODY has any meaningful experience or stats because they haven't been around in any number for very long. Sure, the odd Tesla might have done a zillion miles. So has the occasional Morris Minor, Land Rover or Citroen 2CV. But most haven't and like those cars, EVs with high mileage are the exception and given the number that were sold 10 years ago, only represent a tiny, minute percentage anyway. Yet they're treated like the Holy Grail - even if the stories of their mileage are even true to begin with. The truth is we just don't know how this will pan out, but the writing seems to be on the wall already. Most of those who wanted one have bought one, nobody else is interested and sales have plateaued at best, which is what I said would happen 5 years ago. The only thing I was wrong about is it's happened a lot sooner than I expected it to.
@@severnsea The makers who bowed down and the people who got one because it was the "right thing to do" are paying a heavy financial price for it, However that's not the reason for me, I wont entertain the present danger of 800v dc and what I know can happen if things go wrong as a electrician its plain wrong to have this in a moving vehicle, and most will say the same as me if they have seen contact incidents to put it mildly. Steer well clear is my advice! Don't listen to unqualified EV enthusiasts telling you its perfectly safe, the makers know its risks and the government have advisors who also know. Its for the greater good! likely financial but not yours or mine.
The only 'regret' you mentioned was value depreciation. All cars depreciate in value. Cars are not investments. As you drive them off the lot, their value drops dramatically, then as you put miles on them, their value continues to drop until they become somewhat worthless. This is not just an EV phenomenon, although it may be worse with EV's currently. Driving a new car has always been an expensive way to travel. This is why many people never buy new cars.
What did you expect? Everybody cpuld know that these kind of problems would await owners of EVs. There is no guarantee to be able to sell such a car after 2-3 years for a reasonable price. So nothing is unfair here. Only unrealistic expectations were not met.
Vines are choking out those grand tree in the background , take an axe a cut the vines at the base giving them a chance. Takes years to grow to that size only minutes a year to be maintained. On a other note I really enjoy my electric golf carts have had one for 25 years.
Buying new stuff every couple of years for no good reason shackles you to your employer. Never sell a good car. Keep your smartphone until it breaks. Invest your money wisely.
Owning a modern volume production automobile is not a conventional financial investment that retains or increases in value and your only expected "benefits" from ownership are utility and pleasure.
You would think second hand car companies would love a second hand EV. At least that is what the politicians say so try that and buy back a second hand petrol car. Buying an EV is already a loss when you drive one mile so whatever you can get back from it, is profit.
I learned this 20 years ago, that Prius, a hybrid but still a partial EV, are highly depreciated after a few years and it was obvious why. I figured everybody knew that and those buying an EV don’t care about resale value. Seems dumb to me to throw money like that around. It’s rough to be born yesterday. “Its not fair.” Wow.
Agree, the Prius (mostly bought as Govt fleet cars in Oz) used to bomb terribly on resale (20-25% @ 3 yrs). 15+ years on the world has changed, Govt Fleet Toyota Camry Hybrids get bought as Taxis and do a reliable 450,000km over 4-5 years. Toyota RAV4 Hybrids are the most keenly sought private vehicles in Australia and the wait for new one stretched to 24 months. Even today you’re likely to sell a top spec 1-year old car for more than you paid for it. Toyota Hybrids are gold. Australia is currently being flooded with cheap Chinese EVs for less than $A40K (£20K). While Chinese long-term quality might be uncertain, they have features, battery capacity and performance to blow away his old Hyundai Ionic and come with a 5-7 year new car warranty. I wouldn’t buy an EV, not because of cost or fear of low resale, but because there won’t be enough charging infrastructure for the rapidly growing fleet. (We have a 2024 Honda CR-V Hybrid as cheapish family hack, couldn’t wait up to 12 months for a RAV-4 Hybrid).
An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. An EV powered by home solar eliminates the costs and emissions from the outset. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
There are some cruel comments in this thread, but sometimes the truth hurts, and reality dawns painfully. It seems you've already learned what you had to learn from your government leading you down the garden path, so well done, and commiserations.
I'm loving that the EV prices are dropping like stone. Poorer folks like me can afford a decent car like the Ioniq, and car dealers are keen to get rid of them. Having no fuel or maintenance costs, virtually, makes me a much more wealthy individual, able to pay off cars and live comfortably. May they continue to drop, cos sooner or later, petrol will be a luxury item, taxed heavily to save our spaces, and the dinosaur wagons will be as rare as horses.
Hundreds of thousands people regret buying EVs and are trying to sell them. It's very hard to sell a New EV let alone a Used one. Nobody wants the hassle and inconvenience
I've seen another video where somebody's used EV needs $14,000 for a battery but that was almost the value of the car itself. The ten-year-old car had no value because of the battery situation.
Bought my last ICE car in 2009. It was a 3.5 year old Audi A6 back them, for 80% off the list price. Nobody back then wanted an A6 petrol and there were too many. Cars loose their value, nothing new here. But that Audi burned a hole in my wallet, over 26k€ of petrol in 8 years, my EV is way way way cheaper to run
I wouldn't buy an ICE from Hyundai or any Korean manufacturer let alone an EV. Their ICE cars aren't far off as being classed as disposable once they get a few years and miles behind them. They're not worth repairing because of the incessant problems that arise from the cheap components they use to keep the initial sale price down.
Very true, Hyundai and Kia can't seem to produce a car that's durable for the long term. But people buy them and other junk Korean cars that aren't worth the price of scrap metal the minute it rolls off the production line based on the low sticker price.
This is a very misleading video. In the UK used EV sales are 71% up in Q1 2024 as compared to Q1 2023. No lack of consumer confidence or demand it would seem.
Don't think you are making a fair comment, some people believe just like a covid vaccine, when the government papers media and the dealers sell this concept we see a lot of people now being caught out, yes it's a big lie some of us could see right through it straight away
I'm in the UK, but for comparison if I bought the same car here and held it for a year and put say 15k km on it. 2017 Ioniq with 100k km = €12,800 2018 Ioniq with 85k km = €13,400-14,000 Lesson, if you paid €19,000 for the car a year ago you're a mug. End of Ted Talk.
100,000km is only 62,000ml that for an ICE is only just run in. EVs typically last for 120k mls before the battery needs looking at, which usually turns the vehicle to scrap because of the replacement cost. £14k as a sale starting price is reasonable depreciation for an EV that is 5 months older than the £19k purchase point.
@stephenballantyne in fairness, cars in the UK are a lot cheaper than in Ireland, even 2nd hand. There's at least 5k in the difference usually and lower spec on the Irish car
What Hertz does, or does not do, in the United States with their company rental fleet is neither here nor there for individual consumers. A consumer only buys a single EV for his personal use, not tens of thousands of EVs for company revenue generating purposes. In any case, the truly massive savings with running costs for an individual EV owner still hold true, no matter what Hertz USA does with their large EV fleet. As a matter of fact, Hertz Australia does rent out EVs.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b Who gives a crap about Oz? Are you the trendsetters? You don't produce a single car. EVs have cost real companies billions and EVs have been exposed as frauds.
another one who does not understand that the Hetz story was fakenews, they speculated on buying Teslas cheap and selling them expensive, as Tesla lowered their prices they made a loss, it had NOTHING to do with "high repair costs" or other BS, that was a dumb excuse for their failure. Companies like Hertz do not make money on lending cars, they make money on buying thousends of cars for huge discount, use them a short time and resell them.
Friend in work here in Dublin bought a second hand EV last year also for 27k and cant sell it either. Best offer was 12k and the Toyota dealership he wants to buy a hybrid from wont even make him an offer on the trade in.
I work at a CDJR dealership in the US, we don’t take BEVs as trades either because of almost zero interest in a used BEV and extremely high aftermarket warranty costs. HEVs and PHEVs will be the only viable electrified vehicles in the future, BEVs will be a niche market if they survive at all.
Besides the fact that they are no junk as they save 70 percent energy compared to ICE cars, and can be powered by sun or wind for almost nothing, the price argument does not apply anymore. Tesla Model 3 is now cheaper than a comparable midsize car with same features.
Here in Vancouver, it's cheaper to drive a model 3 or y. Better warranty than ice cars to. There's a trend around the world where people seem to think they get cool points by putting down evs.
@@AbolishCommunismit's edgy and cool I guess. I don't have an EV, I drive a twin turbo straight 6 H-pattern gas guggler, but I think people should drive whatever they want and not denigrate them like what some "cool people" are doing these days. And if I were say that they were overpriced junk, I'd like to think I'd back it up with some info of why, and not make a blanket statement about all EV's. I'm not siding with any group and playing any dumb car tribalism games. I'll just be a petrolhead and appreciate the EV's that are implemented properly. Maybe pick one up one day.
@@voongnz congrats for having a sound and open mind. im really surprise at this day and age, people are still not doing their own research before forming their own decisions. they tend to get defensive when im just trying to debunk the myth or misinformation. i always said if evs are currently not suitable for you, fine. get the car that suits your needs or wants. no need to bash or spread misinformation. give others a chance to make their own decision.
@@JamesTan-mq4eo yeah I'm generally an early adopter on anything tech related, however EV's somehow have evaded me or vice versa. I'm not updated on the latest EV tech but I know lfp and blade batteries have progressed and I'm not repeating old info of batteries spontaneously combusting, thermal runaway etc etc. I also ride motorbikes and know how cliquey and douchey tribalism gets, especially between sportbikes and cruisers. It's very cringey. Even the Harley Davison HOG ownership have shunned their own with the Harley EV. It's funny to me how people just follow and repeat just because they don't like something, sometimes it's something they don't know all or anything about it, and even worse when some people don't like something but don't know why they don't like it lol. Sheep. If they have a legitimate gripe about something, I'll listen to it, I might agree to it too. Being too closed minded is a sign of low intelligence.
@@chrishart8548 Quite true but you missed the point. The very rapid depreciation of EV's more than cancels out your savings. A Yaris cross with 100k km will still have a good residual value. Endfloats EV depreciation has probably cost him twice his "savings".
@@chrishart8548 electricity prices are not going down, especially as nations continue their march towards green energy which is VERY expensive. Not only that, the Yaris has a lot more range, fills up way faster and is therefore a lot more practical in general.
An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
@@keegan773 Alright, Keegan, then what are the cumulative petrol and engine maintenance costs of owning a petrol car for 20 years in your part of the world.
I keep a car on average for 20 years, and on top of that I do not buy new cars. EVs are a non starter on all these points, plus everyone I've seen is butt fugly.
My last car died at 15 years old 70k I was hoping it would last forever but so many things went wrong. None to do with maintenance. Mostly electrical and oil and coolant leaking. The AC was still great though.
One of my cars is 25 years old and I bought it 24 years ago.My latest is 15 years old and I bought it 2 years ago.Both run like new and I have no intention of selling either and both have many years of life left in them.Looking after them properly and using them properly makes all the difference.Not many people seem to be able to grasp that.How many cars and batteries are these ev wankers going to get through in the same period.
After 10 months? You would be extremely lucky if you could sell it half what you paid for for it. Here in America, trade-in value on a new car is, in may cases, ZERO as many dealers simply won't even accept them.
Yeah, thats not the best metric really. Could almost as well say literally anything has no value, since company or person x wont give you anything for it.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b the b5.5 came out in 2001, Besides Driving an old car isn’t something bad. Its also better for the environment to buy a used car than a new one.
@@halvdanjakobjakobglappkaft68 Wrong. The Volkswagen PL45 (B5) platform was launched in 1994 with the inaugural Audi A4 (B5) in that year. The related VW Passat (B5) was subsequently launched in 1997. The Passat B5.5 is merely a 2001 revision of the original B5. The VW Passat true successor to the B5, the PQ46 (B6) platform car, was not launched until 2005. You are not a true Volkswagen enthusiast. Driving a 30 year old platform car in Australia is indeed bad, as other drivers will not take you seriously as you will be deemed as backward. Perceptions matter. Wrong again! Older petrol cars are more damaging to the environment compared to newer and more efficient cars as most of the CO2 and toxic emissions are generated when the car is operation over its multi-year lifecycle, not when the car is manufactured in the factory. This explains why the Australian Government would prefer drivers to own the newest car they can afford. Needless to say, EVs are always better than any petrol car when it comes to efficiency, environmental and health impacts. 🦘🇦🇺
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b wrong, its not a petrol car, its a diesel. Also the b5 and the b5.5 are not the same, calling yourself a Volkswagen enthusiast should mean knowing the difference between models even if it’s just an update to an existing model. Also I don’t believe EVs are as reliable as old diesels considering the aging on the batteries. And the fact that you have to replace tires more frequently on EVs due to their weight. It is also not ideal having an EV if you live outside the city because there are no charging stations. EVs also diminish in range when its cold making long distances in freezing temperatures impossible. The idea of EVs is good but the execution is poor.
@@halvdanjakobjakobglappkaft68 Wrong! You did not pay attention to science in high school. A litre of burnt petrol produces 2.3kg of CO2 emissions. A litre of diesel produces 2.7kg of CO2. It is beyond doubt that the negative environmental effects of diesel are comparatively worse. This explains why the European car marques have been moving away from diesel cars, especially after the VW Dieselgate saga of 2015. I did *not* say that the B5 and B5.5 platforms are the same. What I did say is that the B5.5 platform of 2001 is merely a _revision_ of the original B5 from 1994. If you think that the 2001 VW Passat is the ‘all new’ model which followed the 1997 Passat then you do not know what you are talking about.
You will keep the car until the little electric widget breaks then it will cost more than the car is worth to repair. If that little widget is available. Leaf owners where I live have found out that after 5 years Nissan is washing their hands of them and more Leaf’s are turning into driveway bricks. The culprit of that scenario is the main battery. The pathetic range on that car drops to nothing when a cell gives out. Nissan does not supply replacements for cars over five years old. Third party suppliers are reluctant to get into that small market so a useless parts car is what you get. I can go out and find a 20 year old rebuilt 302 for $1600 and drop it into my 20 year old 😊Mustang to get another 250,000 miles out of it. That is how you get longevity. After market parts.😅
Long term support is absolutely crucial. Being Swedish I'm used to having Volvo and Saab parts available pretty much universally and for all time. It's what makes me comfortable driving a 20 year old car. It takes a lot of resources and energy to build any car so with electric cars having less parts needing service it seems wasteful to abandon support after a few years.
Those old Leaf's had zero battery management. They were basically 1st generation EV's. We are now on 4th generation and there are plenty of EV's that have made it well over 200,000 miles/322,000 km.
Wrong. An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. An EV powered by home solar eliminates the costs and emissions from the outset. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
Petrol is bloody flammable. In Australia, there are 10,000 petrol car fires each and every year. EV fires essentially do not happen due to their inherent safety.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3bThat 10,000 figure seems conveniently neat. The most populous state, NSW, has less that 2000 vehicle fires per annum. These are fires for all types of vehicles, and over 50% of those fires are arson. Methinks you extracted that "10,000" figure from your rectum. Or you've been watching too much of the EV shill the Electric Viking. The Aus government sponsored site EV Firesafe claims there has been less than 500 EV fires worldwide in the modern electric car era. A rather dubious claim seeing how the Chinese government are acknowledging they have over 20,000 "new energy" vehicle fires per annum. Don't believe everything you see or hear.
Luckily I learned this lesson before most with my Chevy Volt (45k to 11k in two years 35k miles). I’ll never own something that plugs in, has a battery and can be outdated like a phone ever again.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Sure. No one can be voted out or in office and change deadlines the current admin has already changed themselves. And there’s no way to maintenance and continue driving existing internal combustion engines. Nope. No way. /s
@@aantonic Nope, just me. The car industry (note I say INDUSTRY) is only going one way, and that's electric. The debate is over on what and how we will power ground transportation. Just follow the money, see where the investment is going and you will come to the same conclusion.
But what about your carbon footprint and the environment? Just joking, there never was any crisis, it was all smoke and mirrors, a lesson learned, get on with your life.
Yup, my 120 series is 19 now and flew through its MOT last week, it'll see herself and me out, they can stick battery cars where the sun doesn't shine. So many of my friends and colleagues have fallen for the new car trap, daren't keep them outside of warranty (except for Toyota that is but most of them haven't a clue)
Have a 23 year old Renault kangoo 1.2 petrol. Since purchase 12 or13 years ago including all parts and repairs is costing us iirc when I totted it up last year 2,000 euros. Son has a 29 year old Toyota 1.6 si Corolla like wise just regular consumables in all the years he has owned it. My current daily driver is a 43 year old Toyota hiace that basically costs zero to run All the above are economical on fuel and there is no crazy depreciation or range issues. Also insurance is cheap on them compared to plug in ev Only vehicles I would consider purchasing from the EV range are Toyota hybrids that self charge. These have a readily accessible repairable battery iirc a new Prius battery is in region of 1500 euros , not sure if this is reconditioned but not heard any complaints from ppl about them.
They made no sense to Mr Ford's chief accountant; because they'd make tons more money from a petrol because they cost so much in servicing and maintenance - which equals profit for Ford. They made a heap of sense for the customer; which was why Mr Ford's Model T was originally proposed as an electric. Interesting history of profit before customer value, which is of course excellent business sense.
@@wellfleetion You are so right. Requiring public emergency services means *totally* that we need the government to decide what kind of cars we drive. Thats definitely the same thing. Its also the government that makes people become firefighters, instead of those people doing it out of their own free will, regardless of if there is a central government to tax them. In conclusion, freedom bad because scary.
I had not seen anyone actually being this open about the situation, so thanks for that, it must be painful to talk about but it sure helps me get a proper perspective, I almost bought a used Leaf last year but nope Im still driving around in my 20 year old Colt, and avoided losing a whole lot of money looks like. Thanks again!
Yep. Rich people in western countries can feel smug at the illusion they’re saving the world from something, while children are forced to mine cobalt in African countries and Chinese Uighurs are making solar panels in concentration camps.
I wouldn’t have one full stop even if it was free I can never understand why you would have to plan a journey around changing stations with petrol or diesel fill it up and your away a lot quicker than waiting around for charging we are never going to meet environmental standards because India China USA and many more stop polluting our atmosphere and that’s not going to happen any time soon
Depends on the EV. If it’s a Tesla it’s really not an issue, 10 minute stop will put 200 mile range on it. I can’t drive for 200 miles without needing a stop to stretch and use the toilet.
It's not really a solution, it's simply an option that makes sense for some people and not for others. If cost of ownership is lower than for ICE, then people will buy them. The real value in EVs is autonomy. There will never be an autonomous ICE vehicle.
@@SevenSixTwo2012 Do you actually enjoy making a fool of yourself? Your ICE car is massively more likely to catch fire than any EV and tell me, what happens to your 15 year old ICE when the engine craps out? Are you going to ge to the main dealer and ask for a factory new engine fitted at main dealer prices? Then you can run around telling everybody how ICE are disposable cars because it's not economically feasible to put a new engine in. Oh, and how much did you pay for fuel and maintenance in those 15 years? It will be many thousands more than I did, many.
@darylfoster7944 it is not an option when the government puts billions into this crap, and says ICE vehicles will be done by 2035. If the government pushes it then it probably is crap.
Martin from american, you remember that movie with Tom hank the money pit 💰 That's what the ev reminds of . Putting all that money in and getting no return.
Paying one buck for a BS EV car is already one buck to much. Don’t worry, you aren’t the only one being brainwashed. At least you know better now. Good luck anyway.
‘It’s not fair’? Failure of an individual to properly research and reach a considered and informed decision, given all the unknowns of an ev, deserves every predicament they find themselves in. It’s nothing to do with unfairness, it’s to do with poor judgement…
The ev market is going through an unstable time. Two years ago used evs were selling at nearly new prices. In the long term normality will prevail. Petrol and diesel cars have never been a good finacial investment, have they?
No car is an investment. They all depreciate. The used car market was very expensive until recently. I’ve recently decided to get a Model Y performance, I was blown away by it. However I’m not purchasing it, I’m getting it on a lease through salary sacrifice. It will cost me the same as my monthly fuel bill of my X5 and includes insurance, tyres and any maintenance or repairs. It was a no brainer.
Wrong. An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b You do realise your coming across as a bit of a knob here, in australia this, in australia that, trying to shout down anyone who dares question the whole EV religion.........nobody gives a rats arse about what happens in australia, thats why we sent all our convicts over there !
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b I guess you would be cutting it down to 60 tonnes of CO2. According to the DCCEEW in a press release this past February, "Most of Australia's energy relies on traditional sources - non-renewable fossil fuels. Coal and gas accounted for around 70% of electricity generation in 2021." EVs have advantages, but reducing CO2 emissions to any significant extent is not one of them. (BTW - same here in the USA: 59% from coal and gas.)
@@flagmichael It depends on the vehicle type and usage assumptions. Those with older, less efficient cars and drive more will be polluting even more. Yes, phasing out petrol cars has a significant effect on emission reductions, especially when it comes to public health outcomes where 7 million people die worldwide each year due to pollution. The Australian Capital Territory (ACT), and especially the state of Tasmania, have been relying exclusively on renewable energy sources for many years now. The rest of the country will completely transition to renewables by the 2030s. Many Australians households are net carbon neutral as they have rooftop solar power, whereby most of the electricity they produce is consumed by the wider public.
why is that so? people who believe what they see on the internet without doing any fact finding or research on their own is an idiot anyway. the same person would also buy a car based on a car reviewer recommendation and regret it after. there is no perfect car but there is a right car for you. if ev's due to its current limitation doesnt suit your needs or wants, sure dont be an idiot to rush in to buy one.
@@5ebra1 i enjoyed my ice too but its time to open your mind and form your own decision. its obvious this content creator did not do his own research and bought something that is not suited to his use case, so he decided its the car's fault.
@@JamesTan-mq4eo You are right that EVs have a role. For most journeys they are fine and if you plan your journey and don’t travel at peak times they are ok for longer journeys. However, there is not enough electricity produced to allow everyone to have one. If ever in the USA had one they have calculated that electricity production would have to be doubled and new infrastructure built. The cables cannot carry the increased current. The same undoubtedly would apply here. Motorists need to be able to choose what car they buy dependent on their circumstances. EVs are not suitable for everyone.
@@5ebra1 yes, evs with the current battery technology are not suitable for everyone. those who genuinely needs more range on a daily basis or dont have a home charger, my advice to them is do your own research and find the one that's suits your use case, be it ice or ev. Share facts and truthful information like both pros and cons of ev than just mindless bashing or misinformation. as for electrical production to cope with evs, i can only say the situation in the US do not represent the rest of the world, and there is still time to catch up on that. not sure what is the latest goal to stop new ICE cars sales but im sure US can do it if they want to.
It's the crazy "disposable" and "Consume, Consume, Consume" mentality that is causing so many of our problems. A rich person is one who's driving a car without finance, not the one with the flash badge and crippling payments.
You have 160,000 km on that thing? I wouldn't give you 1000 dollars for that vehicle, let alone 14k. EVs are worthless when they get to that point. The battery is the biggest concern. Put a new battery in it, maybe someone will give you the 14k.
In the coming months and years more and more will look out their windows and see that the climate is not changing and will therefore logically decide their choice of car will not be changing either.
Temperatures in Australia have risen by +1.4°C from 1900 to 2020. This is having dramatic effects on the environment and human society. More people are dying due to heat stress.
@@gbone7581 Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! You did not pay attention to science class in school. In Australia, the average temperature has risen by 1.4°C since 1900. This results with hotter temperatures throughout the year, especially in summer, and more wild storms, which causes more devastating bushfires and floods on a more frequent basis.
@@infiad1275 Rubbish. Temperatures were steady and stable from when AD 1 until about 1800, the better part of 2 millennia, when industrialisation began in full swing. Those who are older can certainly personally attest that Australian temperatures have increased since the 1990s.
8500 Euros for the battery is exceedingly cheap. Was that a limited range battery, or full range? Traditionally motor vehicle manufacturers withdraw spare parts support at 7 years after that model ends, so when the computer fails or the circuitry to drive the electric motors fail your neighbour will have to rely on third party spare parts suppliers, if indeed any exist for what would be a low initial volume car. EV batteries are built into the floor pan of the car, so what was the fitting and commissioning cost? Maybe your neighbour hasn't owned up to that yet. Is your house and contents insurer aware that your neighbour has an EV? In their small print Insurers say that it is your DUTY to tell them of any changes to THEIR risk, otherwise in the event of a claim, they will deny liability. Be wise to make your Insurer aware and do so in writing. You may well face an increased premium.
Need to read the small print on ALL warranties. When a lead acid battery failed on my IC car at 11 months the Dealer said it's warranted for 12 months and you have had 11 months use out of it so we will only credit you with one twelth of the value of a new battery. By comparison I bought a Japanese made lead acid Yuasa battery for my wife's car and that lasted for over 7 years, outliving the life of the car.
How can you say “it’s not fair”? You didn’t have to buy the car, and unless you were looking at EV’s with rose-coloured glasses, there has been plenty of evidence to indicate their atrocious depreciation, among other things. Make decisions, live with the consequences. It’s not a matter of fairness.
fanbois have an incredibly large blind spot that causes them to ignore reality, just like flat earthers or the people that say niburu is coming from under the sun. All kind of mad hatter nonsense the last 20 years. Makes me sad that critical thinking seems to have vanished from almost everyone under 40.
'I paid 19,000 for this car' And how much did all your tax paying neighbors have to chip in? Was that fair on them?
@@SteveLomas-k6kthere is not incentives or tax breaks on the purchase of a second hand EV in Ireland so that answer to your question is €0 👍
The first horseless carriages had terrible depreciation, also. So what. You have a car for the ages that is 4X more efficient and longer lived than any ICE car. You are driving a pioneer vehicle.
@@lesbenson9421 Longer lived than any ICE car? Are you joking? There are ICE cars in great condition which have been running for 3-5 decades. Modern BEV and hybrids have hardly been around for more than 1 decade. And where did you get your "4x more efficient" statement from? They are not *that* much more efficient than ICE cars, and even if they were that is completely negated by needing to waste so much more of your time charging, and just finding a charger that is not only available but actually functional in the first place. Don't bother replying with "well you can just charge your car at home" because that is something that many people do not have the means to do for a variety of reasons.
Stories like this just make me appreciate my 30 year old Volvo wagon all the more.
300,000 miles, never strands me, rare repairs (which are usually simple and cheap), no payments, cheap insurance, runs efficiently on low grade gas, safe, comfortable, and I get the occasional thumbs-up on the road .
Plus, I’m helping the environment by recycling (driving the same car for many, many, many years).
😋
Love it!
Wrong. An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive AUD $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b
No disrespect, but you’re full of shit.
Factor in the pollution created to generate the already overtaxed electrical grid, the manufacture of electric cars vs. gas cars, the fact that electric cars are heavier, use up tires way faster, only last a few years at best, leading to even more manufacturing and pollution, to say nothing of the extra pollution caused by disposing of all those big heavy batteries….electric cars are a disaster for the environment when all of the bits of reality are factored in.
Think about what you’re saying first before jumping on someone that knows quite a bit about this. Unless you like being a mindless lapdog.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b
I mean SERIOUSLY! What are you talking about, “zero dollars and zero emissions”????? Far from it, you are living in a knowledge vacuum. 🙄
@@VolkswagenNut1969 Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! In Australia, most EVs are essentially charged with home rooftop solar. After the break even point has been reached with the solar system investment, which is only within a few years, all electricity generated becomes free of charge. This explains why home solar is so popular in Australia. By the 2030s, the _entire_ Australian public electricity grid will be powered by renewable sources, so by default, all EVs will have zero emissions.
Tim, you need to be more Australian in your outlook in life and pledge your loyalty to the Governor-General. You will live longer. 🦘🇦🇺
I agree, I'm driving a 82 Land cruiser fj40. Owning vehicles long term is much less wasteful, besides co2 emissions is literally plant food. Co2 is necessary for plants to produce oxygen, but I guess schools aren't teaching this in 4th grade science anymore.
The only people this was unfair to was the taxpayers who were forced to subsidize the cost of those EVs.
the poor subsidizing the rich!
To be fair, as a collective, they voted for it.
To be Fair, most people don't believe in a "Collective"...
And, no matter how loud people have been voicing their opinions against the "Consensus Narritive" being pushed, some people just need to learn through the Road of Hardknocks...
I mean, it's like they enjoy being lead through the streets by the Pied Pipers they vote for...Never thinking for themselves!
Get what you voted for!!! lol.
You think we don't subsidize oil companies?
I can't think of anyone who would buy a second hand EV.
Can't think anyone would be stupid enough to buy a new milk float
I’d consider buying one, for maybe 20% of original price. But not Hyundai though, a tesla maybe.
I can, me. Bought a used 2016 Ioniq EV 3 years ago. Had 35,000 miles (56,000 km) and now has 122,000 miles (196,000 km). Paid $16,000 USD and they are selling for about $15,000.00 now. Note that none of the used ones I've looked at have as many miles as mine, so I know I couldn't sell mine for that much. I've had zero problems with the car, and the range shows about the same as when I bought it. I know this is anecdotal, but it's my story.
@@maurice7413 Me too, they're amazing value now previous owners have taken a massive hit on depreciation.
I'm just waiting for them to get cheap enough.
Fool you once...but not fool you twice? It is the same as selling your mobile phone, buyers will take into account the state of the battery.
The ‘state of the battery’ is irrelevant nearly all of the time as the battery packs are designed the last the life of the EV many times over. There are many EVs around the world which have travelled 500,000km with their original battery packs.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3bwhen you plug a scan tool in you can see how much the battery has degraded. Some mechanics do thhis for you now as part of a pre purchase inspection.
There is no comparison between a mobile phone battery and an EV battery. The BMS makes sure the voltage on the cells never hits zero and maintains a buffer at the top end...This is why EV batteries last so long, easily outliving a typical ICE engine.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 In Australia, most petrol cars are decommissioned and scrapped at 15 years with only 180,000km travelled, as at this point the petrol engine and transmission maintenance is too onerous and uneconomical.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b In the UK the average car is scrapped at 16 years and 150,000 miles. An EV has a fraction of the moving parts and subsystems of an ICE (gearbox, starter motor, fuel pump, water pump etc), the electric motor is good for half a million miles or more and the battery at least 250,000 miles...Eventually it will sink in to the minds of Joe Public that EVs are a much better long term prospect than an ICE which at 15 years is a bag of bolts.
My advice: get a welder to remove the top, fill with earth, plant flowers and display in your driveway for all to see.
an angle grinder will do the trick.
yank out the electric motor, bolt in a little four banger gas burner and carry on.
The Macmaster has lost over £60,000 on his electric Taycan in less than 2 years so think yourself lucky, if you had watched any of his videos I doubt you would have bought your Hyundai in the first place.
If you'd watched any of his videos you'd wish you'd had a lobotomy first.
You haven't worked out that he's a troll yet then? The man can't complete the simplest of journeys, he's supposed to be an adult
Aah the great Macmaster. Yeah he got screwed there. Imagine buying a car for 120 quid and it being worth 40k 2 years later. Welcome to EVs. But at least he's making some good money on his EV vids. He needs to keep that car. But most of us can't do that.
Well, seeing as his whole grift is to get anti-ev, Porsche-driver-hating loonies to buy enough of his merch to fund his electric Porsche - successfully, obviously - I don't suppose he's stopped laughing enough to care. Also, check Autotrader and you'll find it's still worth 75-80 k.
@@Lewis_Standingtry a vw id 3 then, they lose 20k in 2 years. Go look on auto trade. Mgs can lose 6k in months.
This is what happens when government provide subsidies for products which will replace the current product , yet the current product is way better.
Lease one is the only way.
if 'better' = more polluting
The subsidies are going away
@@decimal1815you mean like all the pollution that comes from making the batteries, and don't forget it is still fossil fuels that are powering that EV, unless you think that electricity comes from air.
@@depthspader8820 Thats too much for an EV fan. They only understand what they can see with their own eyes.
Ireland of all countries is the worst place to own an ev. If i won a free ev and had free charging for life i'd still prefer a petrol or diesel
Based on what? Entitled to your opinion of course, but I'd disagree, charge at night when you sleep and you can go 250-300km on anything newer than a gen2 leaf, eg it's 300km to Cork from Dublin and there's plenty of places to charge enroute if needed. Yes EV owners need to actually plan ahead a bit more than diesel, but that's the trade off
@valient5 i just dont think the country is properly set up for them. Not everyone lives in dublin or cork, they might have to travel 50 or 60km just to find a public charger, I dont own one so im obviously not an expert but the battery seems to be half the price of the car so if that goes youre in big trouble. A lot of dealers are refusing to take them as a trade in it seems too. There just arent enough positives, maybe if the insurance or tax on them was cheaper it would be something
@smashyrashy the main difference you and others might not be considering, is with Electric you no longer need public infrastructure for 90% of most of your charging needs. I've 2 Electrics and only use public charging once or twice a year when driving to the west and back the same day. Its safer for my wife and kids as she doesn't have to leave them in the car to go pay in the garage also. I just saw 4 brand new high power chargers in carrickmines yesterday and there's more popping up everywhere. So your statement is simply not true. Everywhere there's a 3 pin plug, there's a potential charging spot. As the cars improve the time to charge will reduce.
@@valient5 Lucky to park on your property, for highly populated areas, apartment blocks and terraced housing does not afford that luxury. Admittedly most of those living there are unlikely to be able to afford an EV, new is too much and secondhand, just a financial liability on the battery as most mass market cars do not warrant the battery after 2 years. EV’s are best suited to lease/PCP as they can be got rid of after 3 years, bit like a phone contract for those who need the latest tech, a disposable item.
I actually disagree even though have no idea what situation in Ireland. If it's free, I'll take it
You , my friend, are the problem.
But he'll vote for the Lib Dems the next time too...
Yep he is a total tool!
Idiot pfft
Bought my Honda Civic del Sol brand new 31 years ago and it still drives well. Yes, plenty of repairs over the years but I have no regrets.
I used to love those cute cars!
Have several old ice vehicles in our family.
Reliable and cheap to run.
Yes will consider a Toyota self charging hybrid in the future
Because the battery’s in them are readily accessible and repairable and I don’t need to stop for hours to plug in
Also in my country 90% of electricity is generated by fossil fuels and the 10 % it now seems generated by wind is more polluting than fossil generated because of the huge maintenance in replacement consumables these wind turbines require
ANY TIME the government offers subsidies, it’s best to turn around and RUN. When has any government done anything in the best interest of any taxpayer? EVER.
"....creating.." I thought you were gonna say huge environmental waste, which is what these disposable cars are.
EV owners should do their research before investing in not so green time bombs.
It's completely fair. We so-called "anti-EV luddites" warned that this would happen, that they were not selling and that people do not want them. I have no empathy with anybody in this situation because you wouldn't listen and knew best. Whether you think the internal combustion engine is dead or not, it has been with us for over a century and
The lack of consumer confidence is entirely justified and correct. As they get older and the warranty expires, who is going to spend anything on these in the knowledge that one day the battery is going to need replacing at a cost of tens of thousands of pounds? Which means used EVs are going to be even less popular than new ones, and the older they are the less likely it is that people are going to want them.
You can buy a perfectly decent 10-15 year old car for not much money and not have too much a risk of a very expensive repair bill, but that's just not the case with EVs. Batteries will expire, electronics - a weak spot in ICE cars for many years - will also degrade and need replacing, as will the motors if they fail. These things might not be common failures but the point is if they do fail they practically write the car off because of the cost of replacing them. The lack of servicing requirement is a myth too. No new car requires much in the way of repairs but older cars do, and on older EVs that means huge bills so nobody will buy them.
Now that's critical thinking applied correctly, EV buyers don't seem to have heard of it which is odd as its so easy to do! and good antidote to snake oil salesmen preying on the inherent weakness of virtue signalling 🤣
@@Ifitwerks That's the part I don't understand. Basic research will throw up most of the issues but common sense should too. Yet how often do we see videos or posts from people who have regretted buying them because they didn't realise the charging situation was so bad, they expected it to get better, or the range isn't as good as they were told.
Why? Car manufacturers have been creative about mpg figures for decades, with some since admitting that their figures were calculated in a testing lab or on a computer simulation, and guess what - you'll never get close to that figure in the real world, so why should they tell the truth about EVs? Yet buyers seem to believe every word they hear and read and will even argue with you until they are blue in the face, often quoting "experience". NOBODY has any meaningful experience or stats because they haven't been around in any number for very long.
Sure, the odd Tesla might have done a zillion miles. So has the occasional Morris Minor, Land Rover or Citroen 2CV. But most haven't and like those cars, EVs with high mileage are the exception and given the number that were sold 10 years ago, only represent a tiny, minute percentage anyway. Yet they're treated like the Holy Grail - even if the stories of their mileage are even true to begin with. The truth is we just don't know how this will pan out, but the writing seems to be on the wall already. Most of those who wanted one have bought one, nobody else is interested and sales have plateaued at best, which is what I said would happen 5 years ago. The only thing I was wrong about is it's happened a lot sooner than I expected it to.
@@severnsea The makers who bowed down and the people who got one because it was the "right thing to do" are paying a heavy financial price for it, However that's not the reason for me, I wont entertain the present danger of 800v dc and what I know can happen if things go wrong as a electrician its plain wrong to have this in a moving vehicle, and most will say the same as me if they have seen contact incidents to put it mildly. Steer well clear is my advice! Don't listen to unqualified EV enthusiasts telling you its perfectly safe, the makers know its risks and the government have advisors who also know. Its for the greater good! likely financial but not yours or mine.
The only 'regret' you mentioned was value depreciation. All cars depreciate in value. Cars are not investments. As you drive them off the lot, their value drops dramatically, then as you put miles on them, their value continues to drop until they become somewhat worthless. This is not just an EV phenomenon, although it may be worse with EV's currently. Driving a new car has always been an expensive way to travel. This is why many people never buy new cars.
At least you're honest with your assessment.
What did you expect? Everybody cpuld know that these kind of problems would await owners of EVs.
There is no guarantee to be able to sell such a car after 2-3 years for a reasonable price.
So nothing is unfair here. Only unrealistic expectations were not met.
Vines are choking out those grand tree in the background , take an axe a cut the vines at the base giving them a chance. Takes years to grow to that size only minutes a year to be maintained. On a other note I really enjoy my electric golf carts have had one for 25 years.
Can't imagine reselling them would be easy. No one has ever wanted to buy used batteries.
It was one of the biggest mistakes i have made. I saved no money. After calculation, everything costs the same. Gas or electric.
Im just sick to death of these EVs, fat, bulbus things with no design or style to them, awful!
Who dares to buy a used EV?
Buying new stuff every couple of years for no good reason shackles you to your employer. Never sell a good car. Keep your smartphone until it breaks. Invest your money wisely.
Owning a modern volume production automobile is not a conventional financial investment that retains or increases in value and your only expected "benefits" from ownership are utility and pleasure.
You would think second hand car companies would love a second hand EV. At least that is what the politicians say so try that and buy back a second hand petrol car. Buying an EV is already a loss when you drive one mile so whatever you can get back from it, is profit.
We all make mistakes.
I learned this 20 years ago, that Prius, a hybrid but still a partial EV, are highly depreciated after a few years and it was obvious why. I figured everybody knew that and those buying an EV don’t care about resale value. Seems dumb to me to throw money like that around. It’s rough to be born yesterday. “Its not fair.” Wow.
Agree, the Prius (mostly bought as Govt fleet cars in Oz) used to bomb terribly on resale (20-25% @ 3 yrs). 15+ years on the world has changed, Govt Fleet Toyota Camry Hybrids get bought as Taxis and do a reliable 450,000km over 4-5 years. Toyota RAV4 Hybrids are the most keenly sought private vehicles in Australia and the wait for new one stretched to 24 months. Even today you’re likely to sell a top spec 1-year old car for more than you paid for it. Toyota Hybrids are gold.
Australia is currently being flooded with cheap Chinese EVs for less than $A40K (£20K). While Chinese long-term quality might be uncertain, they have features, battery capacity and performance to blow away his old Hyundai Ionic and come with a 5-7 year new car warranty. I wouldn’t buy an EV, not because of cost or fear of low resale, but because there won’t be enough charging infrastructure for the rapidly growing fleet. (We have a 2024 Honda CR-V Hybrid as cheapish family hack, couldn’t wait up to 12 months for a RAV-4 Hybrid).
An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. An EV powered by home solar eliminates the costs and emissions from the outset. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
There are some cruel comments in this thread, but sometimes the truth hurts, and reality dawns painfully.
It seems you've already learned what you had to learn from your government leading you down the garden path, so well done, and commiserations.
This happenes to all who buy a car without informating them selfs and after the car is the problem not the buyer, we only know how to complaign
EV fanboys 😂
I'm loving that the EV prices are dropping like stone. Poorer folks like me can afford a decent car like the Ioniq, and car dealers are keen to get rid of them. Having no fuel or maintenance costs, virtually, makes me a much more wealthy individual, able to pay off cars and live comfortably. May they continue to drop, cos sooner or later, petrol will be a luxury item, taxed heavily to save our spaces, and the dinosaur wagons will be as rare as horses.
Perfect illustration why you need to research and do the math BEFORE you buy
Hundreds of thousands people regret buying EVs and are trying to sell them. It's very hard to sell a New EV let alone a Used one. Nobody wants the hassle and inconvenience
Funny that I have not experienced the so called inconvenience that you are referring to.
I've seen another video where somebody's used EV needs $14,000 for a battery but that was almost the value of the car itself. The ten-year-old car had no value because of the battery situation.
Bought my last ICE car in 2009. It was a 3.5 year old Audi A6 back them, for 80% off the list price. Nobody back then wanted an A6 petrol and there were too many. Cars loose their value, nothing new here. But that Audi burned a hole in my wallet, over 26k€ of petrol in 8 years, my EV is way way way cheaper to run
All EV's are worthless.....
Diesel-power!!still the best invest.👍
There are so many reasons not to purchase an EV.
I wouldn't buy an ICE from Hyundai or any Korean manufacturer let alone an EV. Their ICE cars aren't far off as being classed as disposable once they get a few years and miles behind them. They're not worth repairing because of the incessant problems that arise from the cheap components they use to keep the initial sale price down.
Very true, Hyundai and Kia can't seem to produce a car that's durable for the long term. But people buy them and other junk Korean cars that aren't worth the price of scrap metal the minute it rolls off the production line based on the low sticker price.
This is a very misleading video. In the UK used EV sales are 71% up in Q1 2024 as compared to Q1 2023. No lack of consumer confidence or demand it would seem.
I'm sorry but someone once told me "There is no cure for stupid".
Don't think you are making a fair comment, some people believe just like a covid vaccine, when the government papers media and the dealers sell this concept we see a lot of people now being caught out, yes it's a big lie some of us could see right through it straight away
You bought it. You live with it.
He regrets it because he can’t sell it? Silly reason IMO. Cars rarely appreciate in value anyway.
If you had bought an MG you wouldn't have this problem.
It would have burned to it's axles by now.
The age old path to ruin is "because they followed government advice."
Lease?
i think the majority of people are leasing their EV's just for all the reasons you laid out.
The hydrogen car is the future for the car industry. 🚗
Too bad, a lot of EV owners didn't know maths.
It is a fact of life that you will get negative equity on an EV.....
100 kM on a car is nothing. That’s only 62K miles in the USA. I’ve never traded cars at that low of a life on the road.
Sell it to, We Buy Any Car. They advertise good buy back prices and let us know what you got offered.
It's the value of the battery. The car is just packaging.
And you cannot reliably determine what the value of the battery is.
@@CrowPal nothing when it has used up its cycles.
Mobile battery.
A piano falling down a flight of stairs got me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Me too! 😂
More like severall flights of stairs.
Save the pianos 😂
I will be using this quote in the future - mark my words
The time to put on a parachute is before you jump out of the plane.
The time to do the calculations is before you buy the EV.
you paid 19k and want to sell it for 14k with more than 100k km on it? dude thats insane
He paid 19k then 10 months later sell it for 14k which was in December. The 100k km is his Odo as of now which is 5 months later.
I'm in the UK, but for comparison if I bought the same car here and held it for a year and put say 15k km on it.
2017 Ioniq with 100k km = €12,800
2018 Ioniq with 85k km = €13,400-14,000
Lesson, if you paid €19,000 for the car a year ago you're a mug. End of Ted Talk.
100,000km is only 62,000ml that for an ICE is only just run in. EVs typically last for 120k mls before the battery needs looking at, which usually turns the vehicle to scrap because of the replacement cost. £14k as a sale starting price is reasonable depreciation for an EV that is 5 months older than the £19k purchase point.
Yeah you milkfloaters out there, you have to learn it the hard way...but you can't say we haven't told you so😂😂😂😂
@stephenballantyne in fairness, cars in the UK are a lot cheaper than in Ireland, even 2nd hand. There's at least 5k in the difference usually and lower spec on the Irish car
At least what you did pales to what the former CEO of Hertz did.
What Hertz does, or does not do, in the United States with their company rental fleet is neither here nor there for individual consumers. A consumer only buys a single EV for his personal use, not tens of thousands of EVs for company revenue generating purposes. In any case, the truly massive savings with running costs for an individual EV owner still hold true, no matter what Hertz USA does with their large EV fleet. As a matter of fact, Hertz Australia does rent out EVs.
All ev's and hybrid cars + trucks are junk get over it. Ev's 🔥 aren't allowed on my property end of story 😊
@@aaaaaaab11 Todd, no one cares about your stupid American opinions.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b Who gives a crap about Oz? Are you the trendsetters? You don't produce a single car. EVs have cost real companies billions and EVs have been exposed as frauds.
another one who does not understand that the Hetz story was fakenews, they speculated on buying Teslas cheap and selling them expensive, as Tesla lowered their prices they made a loss, it had NOTHING to do with "high repair costs" or other BS, that was a dumb excuse for their failure.
Companies like Hertz do not make money on lending cars, they make money on buying thousends of cars for huge discount, use them a short time and resell them.
i have no intention of buying a EV
I have no intention of dying but gonna happen some day
Friend in work here in Dublin bought a second hand EV last year also for 27k and cant sell it either. Best offer was 12k and the Toyota dealership he wants to buy a hybrid from wont even make him an offer on the trade in.
I work at a CDJR dealership in the US, we don’t take BEVs as trades either because of almost zero interest in a used BEV and extremely high aftermarket warranty costs. HEVs and PHEVs will be the only viable electrified vehicles in the future, BEVs will be a niche market if they survive at all.
LR Discos have also dropped in price like a stone.. top end of the car market is broken at the moment.
My retirement community is spending a lot of money to install vehicle charging stations for the 2 or 3 people who have EV. I live in lefty land
Why can't they charge in their garage?
The cost should get passed on to those who pay to use it so shouldn’t affect you.
Yeah, the lefties. Us and the meek will inherit this earth....once the dinosaurs have vanished.
My opinion of EV's is complete overpriced junk.
Besides the fact that they are no junk as they save 70 percent energy compared to ICE cars, and can be powered by sun or wind for almost nothing, the price argument does not apply anymore. Tesla Model 3 is now cheaper than a comparable midsize car with same features.
Here in Vancouver, it's cheaper to drive a model 3 or y. Better warranty than ice cars to.
There's a trend around the world where people seem to think they get cool points by putting down evs.
@@AbolishCommunismit's edgy and cool I guess. I don't have an EV, I drive a twin turbo straight 6 H-pattern gas guggler, but I think people should drive whatever they want and not denigrate them like what some "cool people" are doing these days.
And if I were say that they were overpriced junk, I'd like to think I'd back it up with some info of why, and not make a blanket statement about all EV's.
I'm not siding with any group and playing any dumb car tribalism games. I'll just be a petrolhead and appreciate the EV's that are implemented properly. Maybe pick one up one day.
@@voongnz congrats for having a sound and open mind. im really surprise at this day and age, people are still not doing their own research before forming their own decisions.
they tend to get defensive when im just trying to debunk the myth or misinformation. i always said if evs are currently not suitable for you, fine. get the car that suits your needs or wants. no need to bash or spread misinformation. give others a chance to make their own decision.
@@JamesTan-mq4eo yeah I'm generally an early adopter on anything tech related, however EV's somehow have evaded me or vice versa.
I'm not updated on the latest EV tech but I know lfp and blade batteries have progressed and I'm not repeating old info of batteries spontaneously combusting, thermal runaway etc etc.
I also ride motorbikes and know how cliquey and douchey tribalism gets, especially between sportbikes and cruisers. It's very cringey. Even the Harley Davison HOG ownership have shunned their own with the Harley EV.
It's funny to me how people just follow and repeat just because they don't like something, sometimes it's something they don't know all or anything about it, and even worse when some people don't like something but don't know why they don't like it lol. Sheep.
If they have a legitimate gripe about something, I'll listen to it, I might agree to it too. Being too closed minded is a sign of low intelligence.
Why did you buy in the 1st place
I went. For a hybrid Toyota Yaris cross. Getting 73.1 mpg, and no range anxiety. 😁
But that 73 miles will cost you £7.07 I can do that in my EV for £1.46
@@chrishart8548 Quite true but you missed the point. The very rapid depreciation of EV's more than cancels out your savings. A Yaris cross with 100k km will still have a good residual value. Endfloats EV depreciation has probably cost him twice his "savings".
@@chrishart8548 electricity prices are not going down, especially as nations continue their march towards green energy which is VERY expensive. Not only that, the Yaris has a lot more range, fills up way faster and is therefore a lot more practical in general.
@@chrishart8548 bet your EV has depreciated more than his Yaris cost.
@@georgegently3026 I wouldn't know. It's just worth 1 car to me
A fool and his money are easily parted.
An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b delusional or what ?
@@keegan773 Facts are facts. Maths is maths. There is no escaping basic and fundamental financial and scientific realities.
@@keegan773 Alright, Keegan, then what are the cumulative petrol and engine maintenance costs of owning a petrol car for 20 years in your part of the world.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b and delusion is delusion.
I keep a car on average for 20 years, and on top of that I do not buy new cars. EVs are a non starter on all these points, plus everyone I've seen is butt fugly.
My last car died at 15 years old 70k I was hoping it would last forever but so many things went wrong. None to do with maintenance. Mostly electrical and oil and coolant leaking. The AC was still great though.
What do you think of how the skoda enyaq looks.
One of my cars is 25 years old and I bought it 24 years ago.My latest is 15 years old and I bought it 2 years ago.Both run like new and I have no intention of selling either and both have many years of life left in them.Looking after them properly and using them properly makes all the difference.Not many people seem to be able to grasp that.How many cars and batteries are these ev wankers going to get through in the same period.
😂😂Butt ugly. Yes we were promised lovely looking cars and instead we got cars actually worse looking 😂
120 miles per charge?! That’s sad and funny. My 20-year old car gets the same 22 miles per gallon as on day one; Even in Winter.
After 10 months? You would be extremely lucky if you could sell it half what you paid for for it. Here in America, trade-in value on a new car is, in may cases, ZERO as many dealers simply won't even accept them.
Trade in? Don't be lazy and sell the car yourself. Why let a dealership and salesman make profit from you?
Yeah, thats not the best metric really. Could almost as well say literally anything has no value, since company or person x wont give you anything for it.
I can drive 1100 km with my 1.9tdi passat b5.5. It is 23 years old and has been driven 460000 km and still works great.
But, why would you want to? In Australia, no one would take you seriously for driving a 30 years old Volkswagen B5 platform car which dates from 1994.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b the b5.5 came out in 2001, Besides Driving an old car isn’t something bad. Its also better for the environment to buy a used car than a new one.
@@halvdanjakobjakobglappkaft68 Wrong. The Volkswagen PL45 (B5) platform was launched in 1994 with the inaugural Audi A4 (B5) in that year. The related VW Passat (B5) was subsequently launched in 1997. The Passat B5.5 is merely a 2001 revision of the original B5. The VW Passat true successor to the B5, the PQ46 (B6) platform car, was not launched until 2005. You are not a true Volkswagen enthusiast.
Driving a 30 year old platform car in Australia is indeed bad, as other drivers will not take you seriously as you will be deemed as backward. Perceptions matter.
Wrong again! Older petrol cars are more damaging to the environment compared to newer and more efficient cars as most of the CO2 and toxic emissions are generated when the car is operation over its multi-year lifecycle, not when the car is manufactured in the factory. This explains why the Australian Government would prefer drivers to own the newest car they can afford. Needless to say, EVs are always better than any petrol car when it comes to efficiency, environmental and health impacts. 🦘🇦🇺
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b wrong, its not a petrol car, its a diesel. Also the b5 and the b5.5 are not the same, calling yourself a Volkswagen enthusiast should mean knowing the difference between models even if it’s just an update to an existing model. Also I don’t believe EVs are as reliable as old diesels considering the aging on the batteries. And the fact that you have to replace tires more frequently on EVs due to their weight. It is also not ideal having an EV if you live outside the city because there are no charging stations. EVs also diminish in range when its cold making long distances in freezing temperatures impossible.
The idea of EVs is good but the execution is poor.
@@halvdanjakobjakobglappkaft68 Wrong! You did not pay attention to science in high school. A litre of burnt petrol produces 2.3kg of CO2 emissions. A litre of diesel produces 2.7kg of CO2. It is beyond doubt that the negative environmental effects of diesel are comparatively worse. This explains why the European car marques have been moving away from diesel cars, especially after the VW Dieselgate saga of 2015.
I did *not* say that the B5 and B5.5 platforms are the same. What I did say is that the B5.5 platform of 2001 is merely a _revision_ of the original B5 from 1994. If you think that the 2001 VW Passat is the ‘all new’ model which followed the 1997 Passat then you do not know what you are talking about.
You will keep the car until the little electric widget breaks then it will cost more than the car is worth to repair. If that little widget is available. Leaf owners where I live have found out that after 5 years Nissan is washing their hands of them and more Leaf’s are turning into driveway bricks. The culprit of that scenario is the main battery. The pathetic range on that car drops to nothing when a cell gives out. Nissan does not supply replacements for cars over five years old. Third party suppliers are reluctant to get into that small market so a useless parts car is what you get. I can go out and find a 20 year old rebuilt 302 for $1600 and drop it into my 20 year old 😊Mustang to get another 250,000 miles out of it. That is how you get longevity. After market parts.😅
Long term support is absolutely crucial. Being Swedish I'm used to having Volvo and Saab parts available pretty much universally and for all time. It's what makes me comfortable driving a 20 year old car. It takes a lot of resources and energy to build any car so with electric cars having less parts needing service it seems wasteful to abandon support after a few years.
Those old Leaf's had zero battery management. They were basically 1st generation EV's. We are now on 4th generation and there are plenty of EV's that have made it well over 200,000 miles/322,000 km.
A Leaf comes with an 8 year battery warranty so not sure where you’re getting 5 years from….
Wrong. An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. An EV powered by home solar eliminates the costs and emissions from the outset. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
@@ViktorSargeThe Chinese owners of Volvo cars cannot be legally compelled to supply new pars for long obsolete cars forever. Business is business.
EV’s are like disposable lighters but disposable lighters don’t usually explode and burn your house down.
Petrol is bloody flammable. In Australia, there are 10,000 petrol car fires each and every year. EV fires essentially do not happen due to their inherent safety.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3bThat 10,000 figure seems conveniently neat.
The most populous state, NSW, has less that 2000 vehicle fires per annum. These are fires for all types of vehicles, and over 50% of those fires are arson.
Methinks you extracted that "10,000" figure from your rectum.
Or you've been watching too much of the EV shill the Electric Viking.
The Aus government sponsored site EV Firesafe claims there has been less than 500 EV fires worldwide in the modern electric car era. A rather dubious claim seeing how the Chinese government are acknowledging they have over 20,000 "new energy" vehicle fires per annum.
Don't believe everything you see or hear.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3bI'm sorry, but I have to laugh. Your brain washed
Neither do EVs.
@@glennmartin6492actually, they do, and have.
Ev is not the future
Luckily I learned this lesson before most with my Chevy Volt (45k to 11k in two years 35k miles). I’ll never own something that plugs in, has a battery and can be outdated like a phone ever again.
Then you won't be driving as all cars will be EVs within 10 to 15 years.😊
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270hahaha, yeah, ok
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Sure. No one can be voted out or in office and change deadlines the current admin has already changed themselves. And there’s no way to maintenance and continue driving existing internal combustion engines. Nope. No way. /s
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270says who? Elon?
@@aantonic Nope, just me. The car industry (note I say INDUSTRY) is only going one way, and that's electric. The debate is over on what and how we will power ground transportation. Just follow the money, see where the investment is going and you will come to the same conclusion.
But what about your carbon footprint and the environment? Just joking, there never was any crisis, it was all smoke and mirrors, a lesson learned, get on with your life.
Your first mistake was ever buying an EV in the first place.
I've had my Toyota Prado 4WD for 20 years and it's still going strong . No interest in buying a new car.
Yup, my 120 series is 19 now and flew through its MOT last week, it'll see herself and me out, they can stick battery cars where the sun doesn't shine.
So many of my friends and colleagues have fallen for the new car trap, daren't keep them outside of warranty (except for Toyota that is but most of them haven't a clue)
Have a 23 year old Renault kangoo 1.2 petrol. Since purchase 12 or13 years ago including all parts and repairs is costing us iirc when I totted it up last year 2,000 euros.
Son has a 29 year old Toyota 1.6 si Corolla like wise just regular consumables in all the years he has owned it.
My current daily driver is a 43 year old Toyota hiace that basically costs zero to run
All the above are economical on fuel and there is no crazy depreciation or range issues.
Also insurance is cheap on them compared to plug in ev
Only vehicles I would consider purchasing from the EV range are Toyota hybrids that self charge.
These have a readily accessible repairable battery iirc a new Prius battery is in region of 1500 euros , not sure if this is reconditioned but not heard any complaints from ppl about them.
In 1910 electric cars made no sense. In 2020 electric cars make no sense.....
Its now 2024 and electric cars MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE - AT ALL.
They made no sense to Mr Ford's chief accountant; because they'd make tons more money from a petrol because they cost so much in servicing and maintenance - which equals profit for Ford. They made a heap of sense for the customer; which was why Mr Ford's Model T was originally proposed as an electric. Interesting history of profit before customer value, which is of course excellent business sense.
@@aeroearthElon Musk is a knob
Funny, I could have sworn that he was a human being........
@@aeroearth look at his head
It is morally unacceptable to let a fool keep his money.
So why did you buy it?
Look on the bright side if you took a certain medical procedure in the last few years the battery is likely to last you the rest of your life.
Actually the first electric car was made in the 1830’s. They’ve been tried and retried many times since then with no success
I am from the Government and I am here the help.
The most terrifying words ever spoken.
Yeah, that's what the "Don't tread on me " tough guys say. Until they need that help and then gladly accept it.
I don’t think anyone from the government has actually said those words, it’s a made up saying that most people don’t realize is made up.
@@wellfleetion You are so right. Requiring public emergency services means *totally* that we need the government to decide what kind of cars we drive. Thats definitely the same thing. Its also the government that makes people become firefighters, instead of those people doing it out of their own free will, regardless of if there is a central government to tax them.
In conclusion, freedom bad because scary.
I had not seen anyone actually being this open about the situation, so thanks for that, it must be painful to talk about but it sure helps me get a proper perspective, I almost bought a used Leaf last year but nope Im still driving around in my 20 year old Colt, and avoided losing a whole lot of money looks like. Thanks again!
No one wants a second hand EV, they have too many issues with battery degredation/replacement
You have to dig up at least a mile of Earth just to produce one battery.
Yes, ICE cars just pop out of the ground ready made. It's quite amazing really.
@@CatsMeowPaw I thought ICE vehicles came from a unicorn's bowel movement?
Yep. Rich people in western countries can feel smug at the illusion they’re saving the world from something, while children are forced to mine cobalt in African countries and Chinese Uighurs are making solar panels in concentration camps.
Batteries can be recycled at 90+%. No need to keep digging up new material.
@@darylfoster7944 Thats objectively false.
I wouldn’t have one full stop even if it was free I can never understand why you would have to plan a journey around changing stations with petrol or diesel fill it up and your away a lot quicker than waiting around for charging we are never going to meet environmental standards because India China USA and many more stop polluting our atmosphere and that’s not going to happen any time soon
Depends on the EV. If it’s a Tesla it’s really not an issue, 10 minute stop will put 200 mile range on it. I can’t drive for 200 miles without needing a stop to stretch and use the toilet.
EV's, an illogical solution to an imaginary problem.
My fuel bill was a very real problem, as were the maintenance costs.
It's not really a solution, it's simply an option that makes sense for some people and not for others. If cost of ownership is lower than for ICE, then people will buy them. The real value in EVs is autonomy. There will never be an autonomous ICE vehicle.
@@darylfoster7944 Except that EVs are disposable once their main battery craps out. If it doesn't catch on fire before that, of course.... lol.
@@SevenSixTwo2012 Do you actually enjoy making a fool of yourself?
Your ICE car is massively more likely to catch fire than any EV and tell me, what happens to your 15 year old ICE when the engine craps out? Are you going to ge to the main dealer and ask for a factory new engine fitted at main dealer prices?
Then you can run around telling everybody how ICE are disposable cars because it's not economically feasible to put a new engine in.
Oh, and how much did you pay for fuel and maintenance in those 15 years? It will be many thousands more than I did, many.
@darylfoster7944 it is not an option when the government puts billions into this crap, and says ICE vehicles will be done by 2035. If the government pushes it then it probably is crap.
Martin from american, you remember that movie with Tom hank the money pit 💰
That's what the ev reminds of . Putting all that money in and getting no return.
Any car is a bad investment. You will never get your money back.
EV'S SUCK!!!!
Paying one buck for a BS EV car is already one buck to much. Don’t worry, you aren’t the only one being brainwashed. At least you know better now. Good luck anyway.
Great video. Takes balls to admit a mistake. Respect for a man who speaks the truth.
‘It’s not fair’? Failure of an individual to properly research and reach a considered and informed decision, given all the unknowns of an ev, deserves every predicament they find themselves in. It’s nothing to do with unfairness, it’s to do with poor judgement…
The ev market is going through an unstable time. Two years ago used evs were selling at nearly new prices. In the long term normality will prevail. Petrol and diesel cars have never been a good finacial investment, have they?
No car is an investment. They all depreciate. The used car market was very expensive until recently. I’ve recently decided to get a Model Y performance, I was blown away by it. However I’m not purchasing it, I’m getting it on a lease through salary sacrifice. It will cost me the same as my monthly fuel bill of my X5 and includes insurance, tyres and any maintenance or repairs. It was a no brainer.
EVs are trash and absolutely horrible for the environment. Period
Wrong. An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b You do realise your coming across as a bit of a knob here, in australia this, in australia that, trying to shout down anyone who dares question the whole EV religion.........nobody gives a rats arse about what happens in australia, thats why we sent all our convicts over there !
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b I guess you would be cutting it down to 60 tonnes of CO2. According to the DCCEEW in a press release this past February, "Most of Australia's energy relies on traditional sources - non-renewable fossil fuels. Coal and gas accounted for around 70% of electricity generation in 2021." EVs have advantages, but reducing CO2 emissions to any significant extent is not one of them. (BTW - same here in the USA: 59% from coal and gas.)
@@flagmichael It depends on the vehicle type and usage assumptions. Those with older, less efficient cars and drive more will be polluting even more. Yes, phasing out petrol cars has a significant effect on emission reductions, especially when it comes to public health outcomes where 7 million people die worldwide each year due to pollution. The Australian Capital Territory (ACT), and especially the state of Tasmania, have been relying exclusively on renewable energy sources for many years now. The rest of the country will completely transition to renewables by the 2030s. Many Australians households are net carbon neutral as they have rooftop solar power, whereby most of the electricity they produce is consumed by the wider public.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3bBS😊
Thanks for the video. If you stop just one person entering the EV madness you have done good work.
why is that so? people who believe what they see on the internet without doing any fact finding or research on their own is an idiot anyway. the same person would also buy a car based on a car reviewer recommendation and regret it after. there is no perfect car but there is a right car for you. if ev's due to its current limitation doesnt suit your needs or wants, sure dont be an idiot to rush in to buy one.
@@JamesTan-mq4eo you obviously enjoy your EV. Good for you.
@@5ebra1 i enjoyed my ice too but its time to open your mind and form your own decision. its obvious this content creator did not do his own research and bought something that is not suited to his use case, so he decided its the car's fault.
@@JamesTan-mq4eo You are right that EVs have a role. For most journeys they are fine and if you plan your journey and don’t travel at peak times they are ok for longer journeys. However, there is not enough electricity produced to allow everyone to have one. If ever in the USA had one they have calculated that electricity production would have to be doubled and new infrastructure built. The cables cannot carry the increased current. The same undoubtedly would apply here. Motorists need to be able to choose what car they buy dependent on their circumstances. EVs are not suitable for everyone.
@@5ebra1 yes, evs with the current battery technology are not suitable for everyone. those who genuinely needs more range on a daily basis or dont have a home charger, my advice to them is do your own research and find the one that's suits your use case, be it ice or ev.
Share facts and truthful information like both pros and cons of ev than just mindless bashing or misinformation.
as for electrical production to cope with evs, i can only say the situation in the US do not represent the rest of the world, and there is still time to catch up on that. not sure what is the latest goal to stop new ICE cars sales but im sure US can do it if they want to.
It's the crazy "disposable" and "Consume, Consume, Consume" mentality that is causing so many of our problems.
A rich person is one who's driving a car without finance, not the one with the flash badge and crippling payments.
You have 160,000 km on that thing? I wouldn't give you 1000 dollars for that vehicle, let alone 14k. EVs are worthless when they get to that point. The battery is the biggest concern. Put a new battery in it, maybe someone will give you the 14k.
In the coming months and years more and more will look out their windows and see that the climate is not changing and will therefore logically decide their choice of car will not be changing either.
Temperatures in Australia have risen by +1.4°C from 1900 to 2020. This is having dramatic effects on the environment and human society. More people are dying due to heat stress.
the climate will still change even if everybody is just walking.
@@gbone7581 Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! You did not pay attention to science class in school. In Australia, the average temperature has risen by 1.4°C since 1900. This results with hotter temperatures throughout the year, especially in summer, and more wild storms, which causes more devastating bushfires and floods on a more frequent basis.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b That's because we were coming out of the little ice age where temps dropped an average of 2 degrees.
@@infiad1275 Rubbish. Temperatures were steady and stable from when AD 1 until about 1800, the better part of 2 millennia, when industrialisation began in full swing. Those who are older can certainly personally attest that Australian temperatures have increased since the 1990s.
My neihbour just paid 8500euros for a New battery on a 7year old Renault Yikes!!!
Is a 7 year old Renault even worth €8500
8500 Euros for the battery is exceedingly cheap. Was that a limited range battery, or full range?
Traditionally motor vehicle manufacturers withdraw spare parts support at 7 years after that model ends, so when the computer fails or the circuitry to drive the electric motors fail your neighbour will have to rely on third party spare parts suppliers, if indeed any exist for what would be a low initial volume car.
EV batteries are built into the floor pan of the car, so what was the fitting and commissioning cost? Maybe your neighbour hasn't owned up to that yet.
Is your house and contents insurer aware that your neighbour has an EV? In their small print Insurers say that it is your DUTY to tell them of any changes to THEIR risk, otherwise in the event of a claim, they will deny liability. Be wise to make your Insurer aware and do so in writing. You may well face an increased premium.
They have an 8 year warranty on the battery. Something with this story isn’t being stated 🤔
Need to read the small print on ALL warranties. When a lead acid battery failed on my IC car at 11 months the Dealer said it's warranted for 12 months and you have had 11 months use out of it so we will only credit you with one twelth of the value of a new battery. By comparison I bought a Japanese made lead acid Yuasa battery for my wife's car and that lasted for over 7 years, outliving the life of the car.
@aeroearth I've had a car battery last 12 years .
I would never even have a polished 💩
Lucky you didn’t buy a £120,000 car (financed on credit) like Lee the McMaster. Ouch!
My 4 bed home costed less than that! lol