@@jdgaabjj yeah you can definitely do both with great results. Bjj is a full body workout in my opinion, as long as you’re not slacking during open roll time haha
@@josefrailecofc While I agree in some way with what you're saying, I do feel that going hard during rolling can be detrimental to your BJJ development and also increase the risk of injury. So I think a good point of your 3+3+1 schedule is that you can use the weight days for strength and conditioning and for that reason take it easy and focus on technique and patience while rolling.
Thing is though if it's all body weight you'll only get so much bigger and stronger. Sure you'll build some muscle for a while and have excellent muscular endurance but for size and strength it's not ideal at all
I would have to agree. I started BJJ a few months ago after lifting for 10 years. The years of lifting are a huge advantage once you learn some technique. Currently, I train BJJ twice a week, lift 3 days, and work on mobility the other 2. For me, the home gym is the best option due to time constraints. I've got kettlebells, a pullup bar, 80 lb adjustable DBs, and resistance bands. It's all I need, and good workout programming keeps the body guessing.
I went through the same dilemma a while ago: BJJ or Weight training. As of now I'm prioritizing my time for weight training. I will of course get back to combat sports (and if everything is according to plan, then post June 2023). Right now the gym gives me anti-ageing! I am fit, healthy, without the need to do homework, without injuries. When I had prioritized BJJ over the gym, I could slowly see the strength loss. Then the aches and pains because of all the rolling. Not to mention, if you really want to get good at BJJ, you cannot just hit the classes for 3 hours a week and be done with it. You need constant revision for your newly learnt techniques. 3 hours a week is plenty for me to work on my fitness without the need to do 'homework'. Of course, if wishes were horses and I had unlimited time, instant recovery etc..I will choose both. But now, as a 40 year old adult, I really had to make the more practical choice. I DON'T care to be a dangerous senior belt with a hanging tummy and atherosclerosis. Health & Fitness 1st.
@@chokeeartist oh yes. Stretching does help. The thing is right now I have very limited time so apart from some quick post workout stretches not able to do it justice.
@@sardalamit prioritize your time there’s 24 hrs in a day , you can get 20-30 min stretching in everyday , go to bed later , wake up earlier - but anyway have a great day sir ! And good luck on your health and fitness journey (:
Something I wanna share. I’ve struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts for a few years. Signed up for a jiu jitsu tournament and started training everyday a week ago. Not depressed anymore. Nothing else was working this well. I love jiu jitsu
La depresión la inventaron las farmacéuticas para llenarnos de pastillas. Hay que ir al psicoanalista cuando la estamos pasando mal. Y el deporte ayuda, claro que si. Oss
I love bjj but weights are far superior from an anti aging and longevity perspective. Building muscle is the cure for metabolic syndrome. With that said, bjj is also important but for different reasons. Everyone has their own journey with different goals at different times. It’s not wrong to take time off to build muscle. Or stop lifting and do bjj. Whatever you happen to need at the time is always the right answer for anything in life
BJJ (especially nogi) is an anaerobic workout. So, just doing bjj does build lean muscle mass. I do mostly muay thai and that makes me lose a lot of muscle mass.
@@tirsarker7728 I disagree. Most of the guys at my academy that only train and don't lift do not look defined or muscular. They're not physically weak but they aren't as strong or defined as they could be.
but the thing is hes not dismissing weight training, thas why he mentioned calisthenics. That being said, i think bjj is for everyone but not calisthenics tho, bodyweight training is hard if youre a bigger person, or has body limitations, some people just lift because is what they can start with
@@joaoaugusto7066 Bigger people can always use variations that work for them. More mass means more weight we have to move, so sure, things like pullups become harder. We can still change the exercises to a variation that we can do and get our strength training in.
Any serious BJJ player understands the value of strength training. The key is finding what best suits your goals. Gotta laugh at the financial comparison. BJJ cost me more in six months than my complete home gym. Not even factoring in physio from injuries.
100% to all your points here. But I think some kind of strength training is a must. I know guys my same age who have never done any serious or consistent strength training and they are literally always injured in BJJ. It helps build up some of that much needed resilience. BJJ is not easy. And it sure as hell isn't cheap.
BJJ is a skill which only improves over time but you have to train properly with others. Whereas the weight-lifting, while also important, can be improvised on with very little cost...not quite as good as gym, but not far off either. It's much easier to skimp and improvise on weight lifting than on BJJ...body weight, chin/dips bar, home weights, calisthenics, resistance bands.
@@alvarezgamers that's why it's better to do both. I have benefited significantly from adding a consistent weight regiment to bjj training. It helps with recovery.
I gave up BJJ because its all I did for years and I was just okay. So I have been able to ski, hike, trail run, dance, yoga, mountain climb and free dive instead. I got a blue belt in 4 years and that has served me well even in street fights. I add in a bit of boxing now and MT while in Thailand, but rarely grappling. It's effective, but not some holy grail.
Try going to a nogi place where they focus a lot more on takedowns and submissions from the top. It's a better workout for sure compared to slow paced bjj with gi.
Learning multiple martial arts is more important to me than just weight lifting. I have tons of respect for jiu-jitsu but it is not the end all when it comes to hardcore physical street combat and self protection self defense. No one art is superior over all other martial arts. Every art has its time and place. There are all kinds of different situations and circumstances in street confrontations.
It is probed that jiu jitsu beats every other martial art. You can see real footage of that happening. That is why Nowdays every fighter know jiu jitsu.
There's plenty of time to do both if you do full body style lifting twice a week and Jujitsu on the days you don't lift. Don't see why people can't incorporate both.
It really depends what your goal is at the end of the day. Whether that's learning the art of jiu jitsu and being on that lifelong journey, or its seeing how far you can take your body by lifting weights, whatever reason that may be for, aesthetics or to see how much you can lift. I mean, we often get told that the average jiu jitsu practitioner takes about 10 years to go from white to black belt, but that's if you can turn that corner to get black belt, not everybody can do this, some people can get the blue belt blues where they are stuck on blue belt for many many years and some may never turn that corner in order to get to purple belt, if you can get to purple then you have what it takes to get to black, you just need more countless hours of rolling on the matt to get there. Also, when it comes to costs, bjj gyms charge more than your typical gym. My local bjj no-gi gym charges £50($65-$70) per-month. Not only that but contests can be quite expensive as well.
True - but BJJ does lead to a lot of injuries. I played rugby union for 20 years from 8 to 28. I only missed one game from a dead leg. I did BJJ from 2016 to 2020 (43 to 47) as a hobbyist three times per week. In that time I broke my nose requiring surgery, tore the MCL in my right knee, torn my groin badly, had a permanently sore groin muscle, and lots of other nicks. Yes I was older when doing BJJ, but even if you are careful, there is a high likelihood of injury.....especially with all the leg locks.
Sorry you got so many injuries from BJJ. Out of interest, what was your weight and height while training? I am only 145lbs/65kg - and 43 yrs old. First tried bjj in 2003 but only trained very sporadically since that first year due to not having ideal gym nearby and my other sports. Both of the last times I tried a local gym I got minor strains from sparring bigger guys who were going hard. Luckily I know people I can do private mma training with though, and we trust each other to be careful
@@xpat73 Thanks for the stats - if you got all those injuries at your size, then for someone in their 40s my size the likelihood of injury can only be higher. Especially where there is ego at stake ie guys not wanting to lose to someone much smaller
Ever since I started training judo jujitsu no comparison to a gym the gym you get a pump but that's it training in the arts you get a full body workout and a piece of mind and calm the next few days and soar as hell but worth it
For a little over 200 bucks, I've gotten a Hex bar, punching bag with a stand, weights and a aqua training bag for the garage at my new house and it feels almost complete. The rest of my money now goes to BJJ and Muay Thai classes for my kids and I. Its the way to go I think
As someone who has done and loved both, I respectfully disagree. Jiu Jistu is for sure better than knowing nothing, but I think jiu jitsu gives people a false sense of security in real world situations. I was a purple belt when I joined the marines and real life or death combat situations are just different. Even in training. Pulling guard outside of a mat is a terrible idea. Not only that, jiu jitsu has rules. In a real fight you can get bit, nut punched, eye gouged, attacked by multiple enemies. Not only that, there’s weapons of opportunity in the real world. I recommend getting fit as hell and proficient with a firearm.
i think even in hand-to-hand bjj is not a best martial art . street fight is about knocking people out or throwing them and then submit. But bjj doesn't teach you striking or throwing , only submitting on the ground and that's VERY dangerous because fights doesn't starts when you're laying on the ground. Im pretty sure that bjj is not for every situation
Good points all of you make but I think something that many people overlook is that if you truly want to be well rounded, you have to understand the basic fundamentals for several self defense practices. A grappling and striking martial art along with knowing how to use a knife and a gun. Also lifting weights just to have more strength and size. Lastly, knowing how to deescalate situations and being aware of your surroundings. You can’t ever rely on 1 thing, we must learn to be well rounded.
Yes. Do both. And Muay Thai. The first line of defense is LOOKING like you have a good offense....this is why weight lifting is very important. You will not get fucked with. Deterrence is everything on the street. Then, if you get tested (unlikely) whip ass!
I hear it all the time from little guys "I'm too small for bjj rn, I need to focus on lifting for a while". Lifting doesn't really take that much "focus" though does it? If you eat a lot, and do some pull-ups or whatever a couple times a week, you'll get sufficiently big. You can just do both
Thank you very much! I was facing this dilema and started bjj right after watching this video a year ago. Hope to get my blue belt till August. Best decision ever!
Just recently gave up BJJ after getting back into it for 6 months. Every second week was a neck injury that put me out from doing anything! I alternate running one day and weights the other day, with one boxing PT pad session and one rest day per week. It seems to be my lerfect balance.
I've had to learn to train with a gammy neck, was frustrating at first but I needed to roll with the right lads, tap really early and ask everyone not to guillotine me haha
I'm currently a blue belt and during mu vacations I've been doing BJJ and Gym. However, when I'll have to return to my university, I will only do gym. Both BJJ and Gym help to our self esteem and emotional health. However, being and feeling strong, and looking muscular helps me more than just doing BJJ. When I trained only BJJ I was too skinny and even though I knew how to Fight, I doubted myself against bigger oponents. Besides, looking physically better helps a lot in the daily life as everytime you see yourself in the mirror or a photo, you see all you accomplished with your hard work and how strong you look now compared to who you were before
I really want to learn Jiu Jitsu after hearing Jocko and Joe Rogan discuss it's superiority over other martial arts styles and how "every fight ends on the ground"
Agree but on one side. My jui jitzu membership is $178 a month and my gym membership is $24 a month. And there's cheaper plans at my weight gym. So for me it's affordable to keep both.
Coming from a skeleton I think my best option is to start weight lifting for a few years first lol. I get what he’s saying tho. But everyone has different priorities and goals.
doing boxing and weight lifting and the same the is a suicide , especially for amateur boxers who don't have personal trainers. Weightlifting makes you slow and very musclebound , so better do calisthenics
I think it depends on what kind of environment you’re surrounded in and if you are really wanting to participate in BJJ. Jocko is simply selling BJJ because he earns $$$ and I am not knocking that down but BJJ as we all know isn’t cheap and there is no need to learn it if you are not going to use it because you happen to live in an environment where I do not need it
Funny thing that is that for years I've done martial arts for decades and side lined actual gym stuff, but now its the gym I prefer and martial arts are sidelined. I will say that I never looked like a beginner at the gym, my starting weights were never huge but never shameful.
Getting gym membership and lift to get fit is for people who don't have enough discipline and need someone to whip their ass. Calisthenics is free + spend money on any functional martial arts will basically gets you way further, and way more enjoyable
For the average grappler or BJJ doer jocko gives sound advice. But to be competitive you’re gonna need strength when the person is stronger than you and has equal or greater skill.
He said just do calisthenics if you want to improve your strength since it's free, and spend money on BJJ instead of wasting it on lifting gym membership
@@jaketheasianguy3307Gym membership is gonna cost you 1/10th of your Jiu-Jitsu fees, and gives you way more efficient tools for strength training. A barbell beats a weighted vest always.
Hate to say this, but BJJ is so boojie; have to be upper middle class to afford 6+ yrs of lessons. Whereas a weight set will last forever. Better yet are kettlebells, which is my preferred form of workout. The latter 2 you can do completely alone & don't have to deal w a bunch of a-holes; perfect for the hardcore introverts 😄
Yeah, it’s not even a question for me. I learn more in a twenty minute rolling session than I would any weight lifting “program “. Moreover, I feel I get better physical results just training jits. That’s just me though.
I need some advice. I just started BJJ and Muay Thai a while back I'm enjoying it more than weight training. I'm thinking of cancelling my 24 hour membership I own a 4 pound, 25 pound,30 pound,40 pound pair of dumbbells is that good enough to maintain my strength? Also I can incorporate plyometrics
I mean it all depends on your lifestyle and overall goals in what actually benefits you and what doesn’t. Although any physical activity can benefit you it just depends in the degree in which it will benefit you
Jiu Jitsu is a cool way to workout but I don’t think it’s a great martial art for the street as it is easily defeated by a small knife. I trained in Jiu Jitsu and Judo in college and one of the guys I trained with used it in a fight on the street and was cut severely under the arm-pit during the takedown and attempting to pull guard. He lost a lot of blood and almost died. It took nearly two years of surgeries to recover from the muscle and nerve damage. I guess he wasn’t planning on getting in a knife-fight that day, but on the street, there are no rules and people are crazy. He is lucky he lived. Later he mentioned to me that he would’ve been better to keep his distance in the fight and wished he learned how to box instead of grappling. His story always sticks with me and is why I stopped Jiu Jitsu and focused on Judo and Boxing
I think if you get in shape FIRST with weight training that would be best, also no one is worried about the Rock getting hurt walking home at night. Point being just having muscles will sometimes not make anyone even think of messing with you.
i honestly LOVEE lifting weights i have 2 years of lifting, but i started jiujitsu/muaythai 3 months ago and i have learned so much and met really great people , i try to maintain both , but i do find myself happier in martial arts
Grappling longterm will mangle your body. I started wrestling in my teens. I’m a brown belt in jits and currently 43. I have the spine, hips and hands of a 70 year old. It’ll catch up to you the longer you stay on the mats. Everyone likes to romanticize jits but no many speak about how mangle you get from it.
I box and MT and don't even consider it a workout because its so much fun. Do some ketttle bells and bodyweight other days, and yoga every morning. I got a blue belt, but was bored and felt like shit so its not one size fits all.
Absolutely agree. For someone who’s worked out 10 years. Jiu Jitsu,muy Thai, rock climbing, calisthenics, and even parkour and gymnastics are great skills that greatly improve yourself as an athlete compared to 2D movements like bicep curls, bench press, flys, etc.. but I’ll always love a good squat and deadlift
"jiu jitsu is more important than lifting" ... beast of a guy who literally owns his own gym and who lost to Jeff Monson despite being a better grappler but clearly weaker than he is ... the trademark excuse for everyone who lacks the strength to compete with a stronger opponent
SMH...i understand his point but he makes dumb assumptions of people that lift weights. A black belt in 6 years!?!?!!? Yeah if u train 6 days a week, compete & crush you competition. Most people get black belt in 10 years.
Interesting. Though, I would rather have a gym membership for 20 bucks a month, barbell train, and spend the rest of that bjj money on financial investments or tactical training (guns).
or just spend your money on any physical hobby that you enjoy and will keep you coming back because I can 100% guarantee there is a near 0% chance you will need jiu jitsu in a self defense situation if you intentionally dont be an a** hole in life
You can fix things with weight lifting, if you use proper form, and not an excessive load. Seems jujitsu would cause injury to properly learn escapes. Where as a very disciplined weightlifter could increase physiologically. The objective here set forth by Commander Jocko, is neither ju jitsu or weightlifting...by declaring a victory in jujitsu could just as easily be in weightlifting. Therefore I believe the objective to be who's the most dangerous, or greatest threat/asset after a given period of time.
@@jamesmartinez2389 agree the fighter will usually be the better fighter, and the weightlifter usually the better weight lifter. However after 10 years who's healthier/happier. Weighing the circumstances to human error, I believe the jujitsu will lay in limbo with multiple opponents trying to inflict injury, too the "tap", and over the course of 10 years will result in injury and multiply into combat ineffectiveness. While the disciplined weight lifter grows stronger.
Bjj sucks. Wrestling is better. Muay thai is better. Also don't choose between weightlifting and fighting, do both. My mma gym has weights and I go straight from work so I can lift for an hour before class starts
Bjj is more important than the gym because it can literally save your life by you taking someone's life in the absolute worst case scenario. Of course we don't train bjj for that. We train for the competition, for learning something new, for making friends in training, but in the worst case scenario you very well may be training to save your life and not know it.
@overit Yeah that can vary greatly from person to person. Sometimes you know your gonna have easy rolls with certain people and other people you know they gonna give you the work so definitely I understand.
No because jiu-jitsu is knowledge and learning an art, you can run and do sit ups and push ups and all that while doing jiu-jitsu instead of paying for a gym membership. Also jiu-jitsu helps with self defense a lot more than weight lifting
@@limbcollector22 You have some kind of flawed logic .. Don't you have to pay for jujutsu classes? Or what? Or is the cost of a gym membership so high that it is a significant disadvantage for you? Why are you comparing jiujitsu and the gym? These are different things for different purposes...... Why not compare jujutsu and football, swimming or chess and, for example, release a video "Why is jujutsu more important than curling and equestrianism?" To me, it's quite the opposite. Seeing these ridiculous and illogical arguments of Jocko Willink about jujutsu and comparing jujutsu with a gym, you understand that he himself discredits this sport, showing that such narrow-minded and not quite adequate people like Jocko Willink practice jujitsu.
3 days bjj, 3 days heavy weights/cardio, 1 day yoga and chill.
I based my routine in a similar way
@@jdgaabjj yeah you can definitely do both with great results. Bjj is a full body workout in my opinion, as long as you’re not slacking during open roll time haha
3-4 days bjj, lift daily, dance salsa 5-6 nights a week. Dancing w some of the most beautiful women is my favorite activity
@@josefrailecofc While I agree in some way with what you're saying, I do feel that going hard during rolling can be detrimental to your BJJ development and also increase the risk of injury. So I think a good point of your 3+3+1 schedule is that you can use the weight days for strength and conditioning and for that reason take it easy and focus on technique and patience while rolling.
Only point I would change is the last one, change it to Netflix and chill
Just do pushups, pullups, chinups, squats, lunges, dips and you are all good
Yupppp yup.. Single leg deadlifts. Sprints. Jump rope. Crawling and hanging major key too
No
Thing is though if it's all body weight you'll only get so much bigger and stronger. Sure you'll build some muscle for a while and have excellent muscular endurance but for size and strength it's not ideal at all
This is missing posterior chain training.
I would have to agree. I started BJJ a few months ago after lifting for 10 years. The years of lifting are a huge advantage once you learn some technique. Currently, I train BJJ twice a week, lift 3 days, and work on mobility the other 2. For me, the home gym is the best option due to time constraints. I've got kettlebells, a pullup bar, 80 lb adjustable DBs, and resistance bands. It's all I need, and good workout programming keeps the body guessing.
I’m in the same boat and thanks for the home gym ideas are a great bonus
can you drop the workout plan?
I went through the same dilemma a while ago: BJJ or Weight training. As of now I'm prioritizing my time for weight training. I will of course get back to combat sports (and if everything is according to plan, then post June 2023). Right now the gym gives me anti-ageing! I am fit, healthy, without the need to do homework, without injuries. When I had prioritized BJJ over the gym, I could slowly see the strength loss. Then the aches and pains because of all the rolling. Not to mention, if you really want to get good at BJJ, you cannot just hit the classes for 3 hours a week and be done with it. You need constant revision for your newly learnt techniques. 3 hours a week is plenty for me to work on my fitness without the need to do 'homework'. Of course, if wishes were horses and I had unlimited time, instant recovery etc..I will choose both. But now, as a 40 year old adult, I really had to make the more practical choice. I DON'T care to be a dangerous senior belt with a hanging tummy and atherosclerosis. Health & Fitness 1st.
Start adding yoga/stretching to ur routine it’ll help with the aches and pains from rolling
@@chokeeartist oh yes. Stretching does help. The thing is right now I have very limited time so apart from some quick post workout stretches not able to do it justice.
@@sardalamit prioritize your time there’s 24 hrs in a day , you can get 20-30 min stretching in everyday , go to bed later , wake up earlier - but anyway have a great day sir ! And good luck on your health and fitness journey (:
Can I ask how long you trained bjj for ?
Focus on drilling
Something I wanna share.
I’ve struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts for a few years.
Signed up for a jiu jitsu tournament and started training everyday a week ago.
Not depressed anymore.
Nothing else was working this well. I love jiu jitsu
That’s awesome man. Ju Jitsu also changed me life for the better too. Something that gives us a purpose👊🏽
La depresión la inventaron las farmacéuticas para llenarnos de pastillas. Hay que ir al psicoanalista cuando la estamos pasando mal. Y el deporte ayuda, claro que si. Oss
I love bjj but weights are far superior from an anti aging and longevity perspective. Building muscle is the cure for metabolic syndrome. With that said, bjj is also important but for different reasons. Everyone has their own journey with different goals at different times. It’s not wrong to take time off to build muscle. Or stop lifting and do bjj. Whatever you happen to need at the time is always the right answer for anything in life
BJJ (especially nogi) is an anaerobic workout. So, just doing bjj does build lean muscle mass. I do mostly muay thai and that makes me lose a lot of muscle mass.
@@tirsarker7728 I disagree. Most of the guys at my academy that only train and don't lift do not look defined or muscular. They're not physically weak but they aren't as strong or defined as they could be.
but the thing is hes not dismissing weight training, thas why he mentioned calisthenics. That being said, i think bjj is for everyone but not calisthenics tho, bodyweight training is hard if youre a bigger person, or has body limitations, some people just lift because is what they can start with
@@joaoaugusto7066 Bigger people can always use variations that work for them. More mass means more weight we have to move, so sure, things like pullups become harder. We can still change the exercises to a variation that we can do and get our strength training in.
@@tirsarker7728Nobody's ever gotten more muscle from doing a martial art alone. Muscle building requires progressive increases in muscle stresses.
Any serious BJJ player understands the value of strength training. The key is finding what best suits your goals. Gotta laugh at the financial comparison. BJJ cost me more in six months than my complete home gym. Not even factoring in physio from injuries.
Exactly. People don’t factor those things
100% to all your points here. But I think some kind of strength training is a must. I know guys my same age who have never done any serious or consistent strength training and they are literally always injured in BJJ. It helps build up some of that much needed resilience. BJJ is not easy.
And it sure as hell isn't cheap.
BJJ is a skill which only improves over time but you have to train properly with others. Whereas the weight-lifting, while also important, can be improvised on with very little cost...not quite as good as gym, but not far off either. It's much easier to skimp and improvise on weight lifting than on BJJ...body weight, chin/dips bar, home weights, calisthenics, resistance bands.
Yeah but BJJ will destroy your joints , spine , hands , tendons and feet way faster then a gym membership.
@@alvarezgamers that's why it's better to do both. I have benefited significantly from adding a consistent weight regiment to bjj training. It helps with recovery.
I gave up BJJ because its all I did for years and I was just okay. So I have been able to ski, hike, trail run, dance, yoga, mountain climb and free dive instead. I got a blue belt in 4 years and that has served me well even in street fights. I add in a bit of boxing now and MT while in Thailand, but rarely grappling. It's effective, but not some holy grail.
Try going to a nogi place where they focus a lot more on takedowns and submissions from the top. It's a better workout for sure compared to slow paced bjj with gi.
Blue belt is all you need to go up and win against non bjj guys.
@@tirsarker7728They still do takedowns with a gi on.
that’s a decent cv of fitness endeavors. you’re fairly well-rounded, mate!
You are a street fighter ? lmao why you are fighting around like a baboon
Learning multiple martial arts is more important to me than just weight lifting. I have tons of respect for jiu-jitsu but it is not the end all when it comes to hardcore physical street combat and self protection self defense. No one art is superior over all other martial arts. Every art has its time and place. There are all kinds of different situations and circumstances in street confrontations.
It is probed that jiu jitsu beats every other martial art. You can see real footage of that happening. That is why Nowdays every fighter know jiu jitsu.
Why are people getting in street fights anyway?
@@Telescope1994 I totally 💯 percent disagree.
@@dannythorne7143 one vs one bjj wins every time... If you want to talk about street confrontations
@@Telescope1994 I disagree.
There's plenty of time to do both if you do full body style lifting twice a week and Jujitsu on the days you don't lift. Don't see why people can't incorporate both.
It really depends what your goal is at the end of the day. Whether that's learning the art of jiu jitsu and being on that lifelong journey, or its seeing how far you can take your body by lifting weights, whatever reason that may be for, aesthetics or to see how much you can lift.
I mean, we often get told that the average jiu jitsu practitioner takes about 10 years to go from white to black belt, but that's if you can turn that corner to get black belt, not everybody can do this, some people can get the blue belt blues where they are stuck on blue belt for many many years and some may never turn that corner in order to get to purple belt, if you can get to purple then you have what it takes to get to black, you just need more countless hours of rolling on the matt to get there.
Also, when it comes to costs, bjj gyms charge more than your typical gym. My local bjj no-gi gym charges £50($65-$70) per-month.
Not only that but contests can be quite expensive as well.
True - but BJJ does lead to a lot of injuries. I played rugby union for 20 years from 8 to 28. I only missed one game from a dead leg. I did BJJ from 2016 to 2020 (43 to 47) as a hobbyist three times per week. In that time I broke my nose requiring surgery, tore the MCL in my right knee, torn my groin badly, had a permanently sore groin muscle, and lots of other nicks. Yes I was older when doing BJJ, but even if you are careful, there is a high likelihood of injury.....especially with all the leg locks.
Sorry you got so many injuries from BJJ. Out of interest, what was your weight and height while training? I am only 145lbs/65kg - and 43 yrs old. First tried bjj in 2003 but only trained very sporadically since that first year due to not having ideal gym nearby and my other sports. Both of the last times I tried a local gym I got minor strains from sparring bigger guys who were going hard. Luckily I know people I can do private mma training with though, and we trust each other to be careful
@@ChrisPT 6 feet 1 and 200 pounds to 205.
@@xpat73 Thanks for the stats - if you got all those injuries at your size, then for someone in their 40s my size the likelihood of injury can only be higher. Especially where there is ego at stake ie guys not wanting to lose to someone much smaller
Ever since I started training judo jujitsu no comparison to a gym the gym you get a pump but that's it training in the arts you get a full body workout and a piece of mind and calm the next few days and soar as hell but worth it
in BJJ training you'll get friends too by the nature of it, it's not an individual training, it can open up new opportunities.
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For a little over 200 bucks, I've gotten a Hex bar, punching bag with a stand, weights and a aqua training bag for the garage at my new house and it feels almost complete. The rest of my money now goes to BJJ and Muay Thai classes for my kids and I. Its the way to go I think
As someone who has done and loved both, I respectfully disagree. Jiu Jistu is for sure better than knowing nothing, but I think jiu jitsu gives people a false sense of security in real world situations. I was a purple belt when I joined the marines and real life or death combat situations are just different. Even in training. Pulling guard outside of a mat is a terrible idea. Not only that, jiu jitsu has rules. In a real fight you can get bit, nut punched, eye gouged, attacked by multiple enemies. Not only that, there’s weapons of opportunity in the real world. I recommend getting fit as hell and proficient with a firearm.
i think even in hand-to-hand bjj is not a best martial art . street fight is about knocking people out or throwing them and then submit. But bjj doesn't teach you striking or throwing , only submitting on the ground and that's VERY dangerous because fights doesn't starts when you're laying on the ground. Im pretty sure that bjj is not for every situation
Good points all of you make but I think something that many people overlook is that if you truly want to be well rounded, you have to understand the basic fundamentals for several self defense practices. A grappling and striking martial art along with knowing how to use a knife and a gun. Also lifting weights just to have more strength and size. Lastly, knowing how to deescalate situations and being aware of your surroundings. You can’t ever rely on 1 thing, we must learn to be well rounded.
I'll take "What is survivorship bias?" for $500 Alex.
Combat Sambo Is Far More Important Than BJJ
Idk I love lifting weights. That makes me happy it’s my meditation time. I’ll never give that up
Whichever makes you healthier is more important. Your body gets all the benefits of training. Mrtial arts skills is just a bonus.
Yes.
Do both.
And Muay Thai.
The first line of defense is LOOKING like you have a good offense....this is why weight lifting is very important.
You will not get fucked with. Deterrence is everything on the street.
Then, if you get tested (unlikely) whip ass!
I hear it all the time from little guys "I'm too small for bjj rn, I need to focus on lifting for a while". Lifting doesn't really take that much "focus" though does it? If you eat a lot, and do some pull-ups or whatever a couple times a week, you'll get sufficiently big. You can just do both
Thank you very much! I was facing this dilema and started bjj right after watching this video a year ago. Hope to get my blue belt till August. Best decision ever!
“ The intricacies within simplicity”
Id say wrestling is more important than jiu jitsu
Just recently gave up BJJ after getting back into it for 6 months. Every second week was a neck injury that put me out from doing anything! I alternate running one day and weights the other day, with one boxing PT pad session and one rest day per week. It seems to be my lerfect balance.
I've had to learn to train with a gammy neck, was frustrating at first but I needed to roll with the right lads, tap really early and ask everyone not to guillotine me haha
@@martinjnagy Yeah that was me too lol. But it got to the stage where I was doing my neck warming up!
Strengthen your neck...ans your resolve.
I'm currently a blue belt and during mu vacations I've been doing BJJ and Gym. However, when I'll have to return to my university, I will only do gym. Both BJJ and Gym help to our self esteem and emotional health. However, being and feeling strong, and looking muscular helps me more than just doing BJJ.
When I trained only BJJ I was too skinny and even though I knew how to Fight, I doubted myself against bigger oponents. Besides, looking physically better helps a lot in the daily life as everytime you see yourself in the mirror or a photo, you see all you accomplished with your hard work and how strong you look now compared to who you were before
Facts. No one picks on the buff guy lol. Being buff is a form of self defense in terms of perception
I really want to learn Jiu Jitsu after hearing Jocko and Joe Rogan discuss it's superiority over other martial arts styles and how "every fight ends on the ground"
Agree but on one side. My jui jitzu membership is $178 a month and my gym membership is $24 a month. And there's cheaper plans at my weight gym. So for me it's affordable to keep both.
$178 a month.🤪
@@gromosawsavjanin1511 Savage I know!! 🙄
Coming from a skeleton I think my best option is to start weight lifting for a few years first lol. I get what he’s saying tho. But everyone has different priorities and goals.
Do both
100% Agree
I do both. Great combination.
I do 3. Jiu Jitsu, boxing and weight lift. But if I had to pick just 1 between all 3 of them to do for the rest of my life, it would be Jiu Jitsu.
doing boxing and weight lifting and the same the is a suicide , especially for amateur boxers who don't have personal trainers. Weightlifting makes you slow and very musclebound , so better do calisthenics
@@mrboy9658 Not true, can't believe people still think this.
Just do both
Your way wrong on this one Jocko. To each his own.
I go to the gym on the days I don’t have jiu jitsu
I think it depends on what kind of environment you’re surrounded in and if you are really wanting to participate in BJJ. Jocko is simply selling BJJ because he earns $$$ and I am not knocking that down but BJJ as we all know isn’t cheap and there is no need to learn it if you are not going to use it because you happen to live in an environment where I do not need it
In 10 years time who’s happier? The guy who wakes up in pain daily from rolling injuries, or the fit healthy, strong guy? 😅
We see all the time that it’s not the best thing to do for self defense. It’s different when someone is punching u when ur on the ground homie.
Funny thing that is that for years I've done martial arts for decades and side lined actual gym stuff, but now its the gym I prefer and martial arts are sidelined. I will say that I never looked like a beginner at the gym, my starting weights were never huge but never shameful.
Getting gym membership and lift to get fit is for people who don't have enough discipline and need someone to whip their ass. Calisthenics is free + spend money on any functional martial arts will basically gets you way further, and way more enjoyable
For the average grappler or BJJ doer jocko gives sound advice. But to be competitive you’re gonna need strength when the person is stronger than you and has equal or greater skill.
He said just do calisthenics if you want to improve your strength since it's free, and spend money on BJJ instead of wasting it on lifting gym membership
@@jaketheasianguy3307Gym membership is gonna cost you 1/10th of your Jiu-Jitsu fees, and gives you way more efficient tools for strength training. A barbell beats a weighted vest always.
BJJ costs $150 to $200 a month now.
Stupid discussion. BJJ membership: 79-199/month. And you can workout at crunch, planet, YF, or any of the other $9/mo globo gyms. Both is the answer.
Hate to say this, but BJJ is so boojie; have to be upper middle class to afford 6+ yrs of lessons. Whereas a weight set will last forever. Better yet are kettlebells, which is my preferred form of workout. The latter 2 you can do completely alone & don't have to deal w a bunch of a-holes; perfect for the hardcore introverts 😄
Yeah, it’s not even a question for me. I learn more in a twenty minute rolling session than I would any weight lifting “program “. Moreover, I feel I get better physical results just training jits. That’s just me though.
I need some advice. I just started BJJ and Muay Thai a while back I'm enjoying it more than weight training. I'm thinking of cancelling my 24 hour membership I own a 4 pound, 25 pound,30 pound,40 pound pair of dumbbells is that good enough to maintain my strength? Also I can incorporate plyometrics
No lol
If your goals are Jiu Jitsu create a home gym
Nail a pipe to a wall for a pullup bar? I normal pullup bar for a doorway is 15 bucks.
lolll
I mean it all depends on your lifestyle and overall goals in what actually benefits you and what doesn’t. Although any physical activity can benefit you it just depends in the degree in which it will benefit you
Strongly disagree with Jocko on this one.
Jiu Jitsu is a cool way to workout but I don’t think it’s a great martial art for the street as it is easily defeated by a small knife. I trained in Jiu Jitsu and Judo in college and one of the guys I trained with used it in a fight on the street and was cut severely under the arm-pit during the takedown and attempting to pull guard. He lost a lot of blood and almost died. It took nearly two years of surgeries to recover from the muscle and nerve damage. I guess he wasn’t planning on getting in a knife-fight that day, but on the street, there are no rules and people are crazy. He is lucky he lived. Later he mentioned to me that he would’ve been better to keep his distance in the fight and wished he learned how to box instead of grappling. His story always sticks with me and is why I stopped Jiu Jitsu and focused on Judo and Boxing
Same about a boxing and wrestling
I think if you get in shape FIRST with weight training that would be best, also no one is worried about the Rock getting hurt walking home at night. Point being just having muscles will sometimes not make anyone even think of messing with you.
I love picking up heavy things though.
Great point
It’s a priority if you are a gym owner. It’s NOT a priority if you are older and want to maximize what you have. Look, I’m not talking about some
Nice vdeo man👊
Nails. Wall. Pipe... yes
I think we finally found something Jocko doesnt excell at! DIY!
I would love to see him nailing a metal pipe to the wall😅
Love the podcast keep it up
do both
I'm disturbed that so many people in the comments think going to the gym is better than martial arts.
i honestly LOVEE lifting weights i have 2 years of lifting, but i started jiujitsu/muaythai 3 months ago and i have learned so much and met really great people , i try to maintain both , but i do find myself happier in martial arts
Grappling longterm will mangle your body. I started wrestling in my teens. I’m a brown belt in jits and currently 43. I have the spine, hips and hands of a 70 year old. It’ll catch up to you the longer you stay on the mats. Everyone likes to romanticize jits but no many speak about how mangle you get from it.
I box and MT and don't even consider it a workout because its so much fun. Do some ketttle bells and bodyweight other days, and yoga every morning. I got a blue belt, but was bored and felt like shit so its not one size fits all.
If its just about money, you should prioritze bjj. If its about time, it depends on your goal
But don’t you also need to do things like bench press or deadlifts?
Oh...and every purple belt I met had a bad neck and back so no thanks.
In conclusion, lifting weights isn't gonna help you defend yourself, but Jiu Jitsu will, or any combat sport for that matter.
Of course it will. Not as much as a martial art but of course strength helps for combat.
Being strong absolutely does help you defend yourself lol weight classes exist for a reason
You are better off being a 10 year white belt than a 10 year wight lifter.
Lol idk bout that
@JLJE 54 think about it in 10 years most people are still in planet fitness
Absolutely agree. For someone who’s worked out 10 years. Jiu Jitsu,muy Thai, rock climbing, calisthenics, and even parkour and gymnastics are great skills that greatly improve yourself as an athlete compared to 2D movements like bicep curls, bench press, flys, etc.. but I’ll always love a good squat and deadlift
@@Dylanrossbass my 2 favorite days squat and deadlift
@@Dylanrossbass isolations help with not getting injured
For me I prefer do BJJ only because a
Better learn to fight than lift weights I want to be stronger but not by lifting weights by learning to fight
The problem I'm having is the injuries from bjj are adding up.
wrong: skill is an efficient use of strength ... not the other way around
lifting rocks
I'll stick to Muay Thai and Gym
People underestimate how strong dancers are. A horse is a beast of power... until they get their ankle broken.
Clearly he's never done construction before, but yeah, pretty much he's right
It's not that simple.
"Jiu jitsu is more important than lifting" ... guy's literally huge, owns his own home gym and a navy seal commander ...
Combine them guys
"jiu jitsu is more important than lifting" ... beast of a guy who literally owns his own gym and who lost to Jeff Monson despite being a better grappler but clearly weaker than he is ... the trademark excuse for everyone who lacks the strength to compete with a stronger opponent
The subtitles are off... lots of words wrongly written. Not complaining, just making a constructive criticism
SMH...i understand his point but he makes dumb assumptions of people that lift weights. A black belt in 6 years!?!?!!? Yeah if u train 6 days a week, compete & crush you competition. Most people get black belt in 10 years.
Interesting. Though, I would rather have a gym membership for 20 bucks a month, barbell train, and spend the rest of that bjj money on financial investments or tactical training (guns).
I can't believe you have to explain this
It’s very easy to get injured in bjj.
box > bjj
judo> i need weights tho…
BJJ ain't that special this sounds like some BJJ cult talk
or just spend your money on any physical hobby that you enjoy and will keep you coming back because I can 100% guarantee there is a near 0% chance you will need jiu jitsu in a self defense situation if you intentionally dont be an a** hole in life
You can fix things with weight lifting, if you use proper form, and not an excessive load. Seems jujitsu would cause injury to properly learn escapes. Where as a very disciplined weightlifter could increase physiologically. The objective here set forth by Commander Jocko, is neither ju jitsu or weightlifting...by declaring a victory in jujitsu could just as easily be in weightlifting. Therefore I believe the objective to be who's the most dangerous, or greatest threat/asset after a given period of time.
Jiu Jitsu guy training for 10 years kills weightlifter guy lifting for 10 years 366 days of the year.
@@jamesmartinez2389 agree the fighter will usually be the better fighter, and the weightlifter usually the better weight lifter. However after 10 years who's healthier/happier. Weighing the circumstances to human error, I believe the jujitsu will lay in limbo with multiple opponents trying to inflict injury, too the "tap", and over the course of 10 years will result in injury and multiply into combat ineffectiveness. While the disciplined weight lifter grows stronger.
@@anaMoc1038 People doing jiu jitsu for 10 years are combat ineffective from injuries?
Have you met people who have been doing jiu jitsu for 10 years?
Simply put over 10 years a combative oriented sport will cause more injury than conditioning .
You're probably not even a blue belt, stop talking nonsense
Bjj sucks. Wrestling is better. Muay thai is better. Also don't choose between weightlifting and fighting, do both. My mma gym has weights and I go straight from work so I can lift for an hour before class starts
Becoming a beast by bodyweight squats? Cheap stuff stays cheap...
6 years to get a black belt? Only if your coach is insane.
So, he didn't actually explain how jiu jitsu is more important.
Bjj is more important than the gym because it can literally save your life by you taking someone's life in the absolute worst case scenario. Of course we don't train bjj for that. We train for the competition, for learning something new, for making friends in training, but in the worst case scenario you very well may be training to save your life and not know it.
No. Physical strength is much much more useful in self defence scenarios.
@Phantom Yeah ok 👍 lol
@@Dividenddream Yes
Most hobby practitioners greatly overestimate their ability. A handful of guys are really tough at the academy the rest are not built that way.
@overit Yeah that can vary greatly from person to person. Sometimes you know your gonna have easy rolls with certain people and other people you know they gonna give you the work so definitely I understand.
"you were lifting rocks" - Jocko Foolthink
Nope
Money > everything else
you will be happier with bjj but you will be living with pain most of the time and probable will get some knee surgery as well :)
Dude is so goofy
..or he feels the need to touch other men.
Soo jiu jitsu is better because its more expensive?😐
No because jiu-jitsu is knowledge and learning an art, you can run and do sit ups and push ups and all that while doing jiu-jitsu instead of paying for a gym membership. Also jiu-jitsu helps with self defense a lot more than weight lifting
@@limbcollector22 yeah thats true
@@limbcollector22 You have some kind of flawed logic .. Don't you have to pay for jujutsu classes? Or what? Or is the cost of a gym membership so high that it is a significant disadvantage for you? Why are you comparing jiujitsu and the gym? These are different things for different purposes...... Why not compare jujutsu and football, swimming or chess and, for example, release a video "Why is jujutsu more important than curling and equestrianism?"
To me, it's quite the opposite. Seeing these ridiculous and illogical arguments of Jocko Willink about jujutsu and comparing jujutsu with a gym, you understand that he himself discredits this sport, showing that such narrow-minded and not quite adequate people like Jocko Willink practice jujitsu.
@@alexeimenzh5323 I'm comparing because that's what the video is you moron
@@alexeimenzh5323 you would get choked out by a jiu-jitsu practioner
Pffff pure nonsense Jocko.🙄