Arc Gouging with NO AIR!
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- #welding #excavator #repair Rockmount sent me these Electra AAA Arc gouging rods. I had never heard of a airless arc gouging rod until I sat down with Jason from Arc Junkies. So today where going to find out if these things can hold there own compared to carbon arc gouging rods!
Here’s the link to Rockmounts Electra AAA-
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I love how no matter how many times we touch hot ass metal and burn the shit out of ourselves, we still don’t learn! Us welders are a real intelligent bunch. Love your content man, keep up the good quality work!!
Getting that internet money
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I wonder how those rods compare to gouging with 6010s soaked in water and the amps cranked way up.
You should chain the blade up when you're under it, in case of a freak accident.
As someone with no gouging experience, I like the idea of starting with something as simple as just those rods, without the extra equipment/overhead
Looks to me like a 1010 or something like that . I really love the huge plumes of sparks because then your customer knows you are working. I did work for a company where the owner used to watch everyone on the security cameras so whenever I had a chance I would use arc gouging, and The boss was always telling me what great work I was doing. I was but I did the displays for the man as well.
What if I told you that gouging rod has been around for 30 years, probably much longer.😉
The other thing to consider is that the Electra rods don’t blow the sparks that far out as an air carbon would. That is better when working in tight spaces or even in spaces where you have to work with others crews around you. Hell of a nice product man
Love your last comment if you didn’t like the video 👍, I respect a guy that says what’s on his mind,😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Then theres me using ancient red 6010s to turn a 1960s Lincoln tombstone cranked to max into a hillbilly cuttin torch.
Big bad welder had to use the customers welder to finish the job 🤦🏻♂️, just messing with you, thanks for the review 😅
🤣 Killin me bud
All I would say is 6013s ran very hot will do the same gouging!
Ask any old school fabricator or welder and they'll confirm.
You can actually see this being down on the many Pakistan Truck type channels on YT.
Great to see you using a mask👍 - Welders and fabricators lives are shorter than most others for a reason, and with Inner Shield(AKA Inner Death) becoming more prevalent for on site jobbing work, then things will only get worse for folks.
11:32, the preferred polarity for carbon is Straight, or Electrode Negative.
As soon as weld at the leading edge of the workpiece is cut away, drive in chisels/wedges to "peel" the discard piece as cutting progresses. The nuisance "hangers" will be easy to spot.
Just started watching your videos. I've been welding for 10 years, and I can say your videos (that I have seen in YT) are the closest to the shit we deal with every day in the field.
Love them keep em coming.
Great stuff❤
Thanks brother
Your Boyee from North Port Florida says, those EN gouging rods would be fine for some over head and vertical down, but horizontal stuff is where the Air Arc shines.
I wonder why they stop making 11018.
Looks like blade was put on backwards?
Did u ever consider getting a suitcase for your trailblazer?
Hey Rockstar, I would definitely buy them when I need them! The only reason, I trust your judgement and no nonsense review! Have a fuc*in' great week!
Back in 1979 when I was in Welding school, had some cutting of welds to do on a side gig. Being 18, I didn’t have an Oxy/acetylene rig, just an AC/DC Lincoln 225 tombstone. My instructor, JIM GREER gave me a couple pounds of 1/8” chamfer rod. Had to run it hot, but had no problem pushing out the old welds. Kind of down and dirty, but worked. Remember that rod being dark gray to almost black. Watched your video, Anthony, and it brought me right back to that time. Love your REAL content! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
From my side of the internet it looks like those airless rods get the job done substantially faster than the carbon rods did.
Yes you did make it to the crack, 😂😂😂
Surprised how good the gouge rod worked, definitely useful to keep some on hand for small jobs, be good to blow seized nuts off etc.. thanks for doing the comparisons
Looking at my AC machine. Oh well! I could just use air gouching or turn up the amps.
However, I believe that a big enough charge can overload anything that's DC only.
I've seen 6010 run on AC and that TIG machine was able to produce a big enough charge to surpass its limits.
Oh MMA... We don't care if it's a drag angle or push. You're MIG welding and you know how to weld. You would make it work for you whatever direction 'ya needed to dude.
you used 6010 to weld on a cutting edge? it must be just plain cheap steel then and not any kind of real cutting edge because it would crack with 6010 and MIG welding it.
you went from looking like a pro welder to cobby farmer brown by the end of the video
This is why you need a "weld cam" with a # 9 or 10 lens so we can see how it looks, too. Plus, we get to give you shit about your technique.. Didn't take long for you to touch that hot metal.. Dumbass. YOU MADE IT HOT!!!
Looks to me like its a handy tool to use if you can't air arc. You are a welder. You can figure out the rod. Just like the first time I took a test with Inconel on CARBON. I figured it out. It was ugly, but it bent.
I deleted all the talking shit I was doing regarding you using the air arc..
I was going to be a smart-ass and find you an instructional video. And I saw yours.. Yeah, nobody ever showed you how to do it.. Keep the air against the work so its behind the puddle. That way it will blow the puddle away from you and leave you a clean area.. I'm just an old Retired construction/fabrication welder.
Keep the content coming and I will continue to watch. I just hate you didn't get the OJ contract. That would have made a lot of videos.
You can soak 6011 in water and crank the amps up and make a mess like that shit too. Carbon arc will surgically remove what you want, a scarfing tip on the torch will too, learn your process.
Any carbon rod will gouge.. i had a bunch of old ass torch batteries, 6v.. they all have 4 rods in them all 3/4”x7”.. if you shave down one end you can grab it with your stinger and dcen with as much amperage that you want.. things will burn through anything before they burn up themselves..
That’s called the “Moldboarb” but it’s more commonly known as the blade skin.
It's a mold board haha
You can gouge with the 6010 Rod
Put it on 200 amps
How many rods did you go through on that half of the blade with the Rockmounts? Also, how many pounds is that package you have?
Looks like the 11 pound box which is around $380 with tax or about $34 a pound figure about 13 rods per pound and you can see how costly this stuff is. While these rod have there place I'll take my air arc or plasma over this any day.
@@tek7697 I don’t have a air arc setup at this time. Haven’t really needed one for the type of jobs I do. I agree they are expensive, but for someone like me, I’m thinking they may be worth it. Just for occasional gouging.
Thanks for setting an example for wearing a respirator. Too many hard asses out here in the world that have no idea how bad welding fumes fuck you up.
Can someone please explain to me what. DCEN means. I am trying to figure out if Can use this rod with my welder
What source of power do you use for your miller gauging machine...is it self generator or what? Bellington south Africa
The Polaris rod is 💰 Rock Mount is a little more expensive for consumables, but from electrodes to cut off discs, they really do make great products
Yes they do!
perhaps they meant 20 degrees push off of horizontal. i also imagined 20 degrees off of 90 or straight in like welding
@0:28 I DONT THINK ANYBODY CARES.. IF YOU DONT HAVE TO CARRY AROUND A HUGE ASS COMPRESSOR THE SIZE OF A WASHER DRYER COMBO, THEN THATS A NET WIN.. MY MONEY'S GOING TOWARDS THE NON-AIR ARC GOUGE..
9:35 looking at the colour of the fumes you have your head buried in the whole time using them, to be honest, I'd stay well away from them, for at least now.
What amperage are you using? I don't think I have enough juice.
I'm not saying there are not other uses but seems like a cut off wheel or a couple would have been easier and faster I know it's about testing a product but that's my opinion
Do u have to worry about damaging the Moboard? Or anything u intend on gouging with that particular Rod?
Try using a rosebud when you pre-heat your metal. Faster and cheaper.
Shite hits the fan brake the flux off a welding rode and put the amp to max, metal will move.
Why were you welding so cold with the .045 hardwire???
Do the non-air gouging rods come in different shapes like the air carbon arc rods do?
I seen a product similar to that years ago, a mechanic had them. We were removing bushings out of a grader. And they worked pretty slick for that application, pretty cool product. I haven’t seen something like that since until right now. Pretty cool
Why not plasma gouging? What do you have against Plasma cutting!? Using arc gouging and cutting torches are like using a stick welder to weld exhaust pipe 😂😂
If Anthony wants to weld with the big boys he needs big boy toys. Plasma cutting/gouging would be a game changer for MMA. Greg from "On fire welding" would have had that off in maybe 10 minutes with plasma.
I just looked it up on their website now there's a contradiction there on the website it says electropositive or AC
Maybe you can use it on all 3? Maybe I need to make another video doing all 3
Thanks so much for calling this out! Indeed the website is missing information. This rod will technically work with with any polarity but we recommend straight DCEN as it pushes harder.
With this rod do you have to drag or can you push?
Push
How much weight in non air rods did you use? Trying to figure out a test run.
I used this type of gouging alot when on site repairing plant, they were made by oerliken i believe, brown in colour gave off terrible smoke but got the job done 👍
What boots are those brunt or keen?
Brunt boots
Wish the Electra came in 1/16 gouging rods for narrow spaces and finer work.
Good suggestion I’ll mention it
If you can dodge a wrench you can carbon arc gouge.....
Looks like a great rod and come in real handy if you don’t have your cutting torch or in certain situations. Great video and as always appreciate them👍👍
I think you put that cutting edge on backwards
Pretty cool rod, I can see where this would work out. Will have to look into what the price difference would between the two with fuel added in for air compressor
Thanks for the comparison, MMA!
Glad it was helpful!
You should try it with larger size gouging rods, I wanna see how they compare for real metal removal
Takes a lot more amperage.
🤣🤣🤣Shawn is a brave man letting you loose on his Plant Machinery....Here is some free advice Shawn .....Run away ....😉
WIA use to have a C/G rod which stands for cutting and gouging but since they got brought out they stopped making them as well as nearly 80% of there products that said they were amazing to use I’ve seen my old man run out of oxy while cutting 1” plate so he just whipped out the C/G’s and kept on cutting. The local Enginering shop in its hay day would do truck chassis mods by cutting with c/g’s. FYI when cutting you would hold the rod near vertical and would move up and down like a sawing action through the plate
Great video! If you have an iPhone, I made a video on how to film arc shots without anything extra. I'd like to see some arc shots of this stuff.
ruclips.net/video/czoNNQjupjA/видео.html
Man I looked all through my phone trying to find that feature I don't have that Daylight thing I have a Samsung one of them something or another's and it just don't do that
I’ll do a short next week!
Thanks!
And you can drag that wire without issue
Scarfing is kinda fun! But when you're trying to take out an old weld, in something that needs to be left perfect, it can quickly become a nightmare. Same goes for gouging with a plasma. Some people love it, i hate it! I feel that you become so limited on how and what you can actually gouge. Nothing beats Carbon Arc gouging. Ive never tried the airless stuff. Looking forward to watching your whole video here
when he said "eat" he means smoke crack jk
Now thats an interesting rod... might have to check it out
I'll be damnned.... I'm so used to scarfing EVERYRHING. I'm gonna give these a shot. Thanks👍
Convenient for welders and mechanics that don’t carry an air compressor or torch tanks. But after working with a gouger every day for 6 years on a production job, fixing people’s ef ups along with robots. Think I’d stick with the ol carbon arc. It’s really fast and very clean ( in the right hands of course ).
Anthony ..... you da Man !!!!
Been using Blue Demon BD8000s for a few years now. This is nothing new. My go to is plasma gouging. Next is Oxy/ Acetylene. Worst case is Oxy Lance.
That's awesome. I don't have an immediate use for them but I'll order some to play with in case I do need them some day. I can see them being super handy to have around.
Nice job on the repair
Wonder if it could be used with air as well...sure seems the air gouging rod chucks TONS of sparks and slag...
Keep em coming!!!!
This is a very informative and educational channel love watching your videos I have been welding for over 30 years and I'm learning things from you.
Have some of these at work, but the cardboard boxes were so old and deteriorated I couldn't track down who made them or what they were for. Did a little more searching a while back and finally found the Rockmount name and info for use. Haven't had occasion to use them yet.
Love the way you end your video/ classes. A little crude but hey it's coming from a professional!! Love the knowledge your spread man 👍
That's an interesting product but I'll be 42 this year I'm stuck in my ways of doing things me give up my carbon gouger I don't know if I can do that but it is a pretty neat product I didn't know such a thing existed
NIFTY
Man I wish you were close to me I’d definitely love to show you a few tricks that would definitely change your torch gouging game and if fou ever get the chance to run 3/8 or bigger air arc rod you will have a different outlook on gouging they don’t load up with carbon and is super clean! Keep up the good work
I gouge almost everyday. So for me i thing carbon is the way to go, but could see the benefit of the airless rod for some applications where air isnt available.
i would assume it works alot better on vertical welds, than horizontal welds, since the material molted away has more places to go... i have only been gouging with oxy torch, the carbon rod gouging is too dirty too use practically here in denmark on a job site, allthough i know they use them in machine workshops.
Yessir!
Those are pretty sweet. Definitely should keep those on your black truck. I should put some on my other truck that doesn't have a compressor to.
Looks like too much work and leaves too much crap embedded but lemme finish watching the video carbon arc stlll looks better to me!
Love it bro new sub
A query, the FCAW-G process, is not the most suitable for that type of repair, because it is faster .
Love your videos and great information trying to get my name out there for small repairs of small equipment have a small mig, a dedicated flux core and 2 stick
Helpful info. I don’t have an air compressor on my rig and I’ll buy some.
I'll send you some bad ass rods. Crank up the amps and let it burn its bad ass. Air Arc is the best way to go honestly.
not for me
does anyone know the Channel Anthony references on that podcast he did it was Nick zattis I can't find
bet it cuts like a laser goin downhill. thanks for showing us!
The comparison is interesting, especially that you tried the two techniques. I like the arcaire better
Looks like the same thing as dipping 6010 in water and cranking the amps to 200
Usually i turn up heat and Gouge with a stinger.
Not pretty.. but gets it done..
I use bd-8000 gouging rod at work and at home
I wonder how this product compares to using a 7018 with the same whipping motion
I've been curious about the Electra AAA for a while now. Good to see a RUclipsr I trust demoing them
Am an Arc gouge fan but am going to get some of this for our non aircompressed truck. Thank you
Thanks for releasing this! Definitely gonna grab some of these gouging rods.