You should contact the divers that do body recovery at the Strid..They would most likely have the most valid information of what the Strid is like underwater.
Do people do body recovery from the Strid itself? I assumed anyone who was found had washed up further down the river. How would you even control your descent with the maddening current all around you?
@@ukraineme96 I'm sure some cases body float down river, but they probably have cases where people get stuck in underwater caves and holes..There are some professional divers out there that specialize in this kind of recovery operations. Divers would most likely use rebreathers and other special equipment to make the dive there and control their ascents and decent rates, along with being tied in back to the surface. Rebreathers allow you to stay underwater for hours if need be. That mixed with not going super deep, they wouldn't need time to hit decompression stages on their way back up...That's where I would start searching for answers though. Rescue divers and or cave diving instructors. I'm sure somebody from that community would be willing to help...Hope this helps mate
@@50StichesSteel As far as I know, body recovery is not normally done in the Strid, due to the intense current. Yes, cave divers regularly recover bodies, but this particular location is far too dangerous to do body rescues, do to the fact that it's basically completely unmapped, and bodies will be rapidly pulled down and transported long distances, potentially into completely unmapped random crevices or caves within the system.
@@50StichesSteel I assume the Strid is WAY too dangerous for rescue or body retrieval diving. Body retrieval is incredibly dangerous for divers even in calm waters already, and the strid is basically what happens if you google "opposite of calm".
Great to finally see someone concentrating on investigating the Strid. Been fascinated with it for years, and the lack of research is so frustrating! A few points on the comments that you addressed in this video: ✅ Remember that a couple of people saying ‘I dived the Strid in the 70s…’ are a bit like a bloke in a pub saying he caught a 10 foot shark when he didn’t have his camera. Tall tales have been around forever. Doesn’t mean they’re wrong or lying, just be aware that ‘diving the Strid’ might mean different things to different people. There are certain areas *NO ONE COULD DIVE* and we all know it. Maybe they meant that they dived in the quieter area just after the really turbulent section. Your readings of the scary sections are still very relevant. I admire your honesty and desire for truth, but that runs both ways. Your evidence on film showing your technique is a lot more compelling than a story from some random anonymous viewer who hasn’t responded to your follow-up… ✅ Remember to keep comments in perspective. If you get a hundred comments, and 10 of them say the same thing, then it’s worth taking note of that. If 1 of them makes a claim without proof, maybe ask the question in a video to see if anyone can corroborate it. But don’t just take someone’s word for something. There are (sadly) a lot of nutters out there in the anonymous world of the internet, and if you take every claim that seriously, you’ll never get anything done. A healthy dose of scepticism is a good plan when you’re exploring a new frontier. ✅ There’s an astonishing lack of information on the Strid. Hence why your channel is growing so fast! There’s a good chance that’s because research on the Strid is pretty hard to do. It isn’t an easy or safe place to explore, so people haven’t done the kind of investigations we’d all like to see. So claims about “oh, I did that years ago, it was easy, it’s only 10 feet deep and you’re wrong” are more than likely over-inflated at best. Keep going with your investigations, and don’t be put off. And don’t give any one or two people too much attention until you do have that corroboration with more voices. Ask the questions if you think there might be something to it, but please don’t effectively denigrate your own evidence in favour of unproven stories until you have some evidence for them. That’s dangerous territory. Like a horrible teacher telling you at school that you’ll never amount to anything…you have to try your best anyway and see whether they’re right in the end or not! Good luck and well done. Great work! 👍 IMO
Man, love this thank you so much for taking the time to share your points with me. It does really help to put it in perspective. It's strange going from 10 comments a day to 500 comments a day. I felt like i had no way of controlling or responding to people unless i made a video about it. I'm sure it's something i will get used to. I want to take people at face value as i have faith in people. Maybe i am just a bit gullable lol. Appreciate you dropping your thoughts here though Brams really does help me!
@@jackasnacks keep in mind as well, 40-50 years ago leaves a lot of time for peoples memories of something to get spotty and unreliable. People can be completely honest and it not be true, or be exaggerated as they told the story over and over again over the years.
oh yeah, you're right monty. If you think about that they would probably have been at least around 18 at the time and that was 50 years ago so you are talking about people that should be around 70 at youngest.
@@jackasnacks You’re really welcome, and thanks for responding 🙂. You’re not gullible, lol - in fact it’s great to see that rare desire for honesty and humility about your own output! Just remember that we’re here because we like *you* and what *you’re* doing. Any commenter needs to back themselves up in some way to topple that! Must be so weird at the moment getting all this attention and seeing your channel go mad. Would freak me out too! Stay yourself. Your channel is growing for two reasons - you as the down to earth normal guy from these videos, and your focus on this subject matter. Stay true to those and you have a winner! 👍 Well deserved :)
A pressure transducer might be a way to measure the depth? This would ignore all the 'noise' from the walls, turbulence and air etc, and simply give the hydrostatic pressure at the deepest point. Hydrogeologists use them in groundwater monitoring wells where they can be read relatively easily with a computer connection.
I mean he could wear a helmet and carry a spare air that would probably make him a hundred percent safe I mean he could wear a fall harnessed and tie off to an anchor Point somewhere that would keep him from falling in using it as a fall restraint system
I have serious doubts that anyone actually dived the Strid itself. Maybe they did some areas up or downstream, however the narrowest part (The actual Strid) would be like jumping into a rock tumbler. Plus, the currents are unpredictable. You could never know if one would pull you into a cave that you'd never be able to get out of.
You know there’s some weird stuff down there. Caves, yes, without a doubt. But also possibly erosion patterns unseen anywhere else on the planet, causing currents that bash you into rocks, trap you in a pool, etc. . Can’t believe someone hasn’t explored it with a small submersible of some kind. I’d watch that.
I remember visiting the Strid in the 70s and seeing divers in the water. They approached the narrows from downstream. I have no idea if they mentioned the depth, but I did hear them saying that it shelved a lot and had overhanging rocks beneath the surface. There were two divers in the water during their swim. So, all I can confirm is that there was definitely scuba divers in the Strid around that time, but I don't know who they were.
I felt the results may be incorrect when I figured the 65m meant the Strid was significantly deeper than Niagara falls is high (at 51m). However, science means experience and more experiments are key. The Strid is a fascinating subject. Keep up the good work, subscribed.
@@jackasnacks I think it's odd that the Strid hasn't attracted a university or government project to map its depth and geometry. Install a temporary track along its length then have a gantry that extends out to drop a rigidly mounted sonar, down and side scan, with several cameras and powerful lights. The down rig would have to be able to move sideways to adjust for the bends in the river. Use laser scanning for the above water level part then combine all the data into a navigable 3D model.
@@chrisbentleywalkingandrambling It's also the UK. I doubt they would even allow the environmental damage such a construction project would cause. The place is beautiful, I imagine they want to keep it that way.
Thanks Ben really means a lot to read comments like this. The whole RUclips thing has really taken off in the past few weeks and it is important to me that all the people subscribing know that i really do respect their opinions and appreciate their views. I am really excited and have a lot of confidence that one day we will have the answers about the Strid that we are all looking for.
@jack a snacks The popularity around this might be due to these vids being an exciting kind of "follow up" to Tom Scott's vid on the river? Possible perhaps. Anyway nice one mate. 👍
Having grown up in Yorkshire, camping every weekend and visiting The Strid quite often I cannot remember hearing of or seeing anybody diving there. I was brought up to have great respect for The Strid. Keep up the experiments and stay true to yourself as you are a breath of fresh air.
Yes, it seems very unlikely and dangerous to dive there, even if it was supposedly "only" 4-10 meters deep.. The comments he spoke of can be anything from a compulsive liar to false-memory, or anything in between. But who really knows...
I don't get why everyone finds it so hard to believe? People kill themselves trying to push the boundaries all through history. How many cave divers have died? You think it didn't occur to them that what their doing might be dangerous? Especially something as easily accessible as the Strid... Anyway, believe what you will
@@johanferreira6728 That's only another reason to think at least some rumors would exist about that happening, especially when multiple people did so. Someone killing themselves for a dumb reason is far from uncommon, but to survive a dumb situation with a well known spot of deadly history and there being no rumors in countryside England? To me there are 2 possibilities, either they dived or they didn't. But then there are a few more situations as to why there weren't any rumors. 1. They didn't dive and lied to spread misinformation. (seems a bit much) 2. They didn't dive, but did something akin to it, like diving in a bit that wasn't as turbulent but close enough to be called the Strid for the sake of a good tale. (which seems the most likely) 3. They didn't dive but think it'd make for a good story, even if it's completely made up. And then used some comments from the echo video to make claims about a different depth. (Which isn't that unlikely, but I'd like to think they're above that kind of thing). 4. They did dive, but nobody believed they did, they didn't have any proof, so they stopped telling they did until this moment. (Which would at least mean there should be old rumors, or older people who have heard something akin to it. So very unlikely). 5. They did dive, but didn't tell anybody for the sake of not encouraging people to dive too (which is an exceptionally unlikely situation, since you wouldn't dive with that mentality, and your personal experience would be a better deterrent). 6. They did dive, but never bothered to tell anyone about this legendry tale until now (also extremely unlikely). So yeah, considering that the person who dived there said it wasn't that bad and only 4-10 meters, I'm leaning towards option 2. And sure, it's easily accessible, but it's also known to be extremely deadly. You have to be very foolhardy to try swimming in the Strid (the actual rapid and deathly bit) without serious preparation, and foolhardy people who'd survive such a thing tend to boast. Now if there was a lot of preparation, then you'd have some recollection of it. There would be rumors of "back in the 70's a group of people managed to dive there", anything like that. But not only is there none of that, all recollections of someone swimming there end with deadly experiences. I understand wanting to believe it, but this claim is only word of mouth, and there seems to very little to corroborate that it is possible. But there does seem to be a lot of historical deaths that'd indicate the opposite. So personally, unless they want to be documented making the claim and provide an experience that could be deemed more plausible through more research I personally can't think of any reason to believe them other than antagonism or for the sense of wonder.
I remember visiting the Strid in the 70s and seeing divers in the water. They approached the narrows from downstream. I have no idea if they mentioned the depth, but I did hear them saying that it shelved a lot and had overhanging rocks beneath the surface. There were two divers in the water during their swim. So, all I can confirm is that there was definitely scuba divers in the Strid around that time, but I don't know who they were.
That's cool Harry cheers for letting us know! Weird to think it would have been normal to see people diving it back then and now you never even hear of it. I have asked the estate if we can arrange for it to be dived again i am just waiting on a response from Mr Heyes which is the estate director to see what options we have if any. I have a bunch of people that are wanting to dive it with the latest tech and cameras we just need permission!
Yeah they stopped after gaining that knowledge combined with many people actually falling victim, it's akin to ice fishing a river and falling in the hole with 2 feet of ice standing between you and the surface...only worse because it's straight up rocks that pin and block you, while strong current pins you. This is why you do not mess with strong current...like...at all, so for me as a fisherman, I need to ride that line and make sure I am giving a lot of wiggle room, because people forget that if you are waist deep in a river, and flooding happens, you could quickly be swept off, I notice natural variances in current even just normally, let alone if a storm is happening up in the mountains... I have also heard of people being pinned underwater, without a ceiling of sorts blocking you, just simply a really strong specific current that you end up in and end up pinned against a large rock or something like that.
I'm spending my Saturday evening watching a video about a river on the other side of the world, that I'll probably never see. But yet, I can't look away.
It would be so easy to see a young lad with a modest budget making a farcical video doing this, but you've gone about it with such sincerity and openness about your limitations that I find it admirable. You strike me as a natural for documentaries with a Louis Theroux vibe that makes your videos very easy to watch. Good job.
LOVEEEE this thank you Kuva! really appreciate the kind words. Will always be open and honest with you all and really excited to discover more on this Strid with you all
When I was a kid, my next door neighbours dad told us about when he had scuba dived the strid. He said there were caves underneath and you could only swim so far upstream towards the "waterfall". What I think he meant was you couldn't get very close at all!
I was just thinking along those lines. We need to know exactly what part of the channel they dived. As you'd expect, it gets deeper the closer you get to the first cataract, where the forces of erosion will be the greatest but there the current is also very strong and turbulent. I once swam up there, back in the 80's (not recommended). That last section, and the most dangerous part, wasn't even reachable, and I was a pretty strong swimmer back then. The current was just too fast.
I'm trying to figure out how they wouldn't have died from that, even in the areas with lesser pressure. If they reached a point to where they couldn't swim anymore due to current, they more than likely would have been pushed against a ledge or into a cave. Most of the strid seems to consist of the same thing that we see above - flat ledges sticking out and being undercut even dozens of feet down. Since a scuba diver needs a dive mask held on by elastic and a regulator...I question how long they would be able to keep the mask on or the regulator in their mouth. The current would literally rip both off, most likely. There is also very low visibility. I think they just wanted a sensational story based off of common sense. We all know that it is undercut and likely has caves. Also, once they reached the point where the air bubbles were significant, they would sink like a rock. Scuba gear wouldn't help them. They'd be trapped until their air ran out.
I wonder if this could be the catalyst that would allow a team of divers the ability to access the strid for a more modern scientific investigation. I think one every 50 years or so is enough time to allow for equipment development while still giving information to keep it relevant for each generation. I think that if it were set up properly with a qualified dive team and modern gear you could probably approach it from the down stream side and possibly even using some climbing gear and ropes to help with everything.
I was there today when you were filming (guy with the baseball cap on, taking pics of the potholes). I wondered what you were doing with the big red rope. Didn't want to shout across the river to ask. Now I know!
I feel the important thing here is your genuine fascination with this stretch of beautiful water. I'll watch new information about this river everytime you post.
Keeping it real. Refreshing for someone making content and not sensationalize or dramatize. Continue to keep it real and interesting and I will continue to watch. Good job.
The local legend goes that anyone who has ever entered that part of the strid dies, 100% fatality rate. Are these two men the first to survive? The idea that anyone could scuba dive with full gear in such fast waters is honestly hard to imagine. You've shown us yourself how difficult it is to see underwater in that part of the strid. I trust your science equipment over the word of two strangers on RUclips! Keep up the great content!!!
Was going to comment similar myself how 2 people can say they've scuba dived here and survived is beyond me when it's fatality rate is supposed to be 100%
If all we've got to go on is local legend I doubt it's true, if you look at what some people have survived at places like niagara falls and the rapids near to them I find it hard to believe that the 100% claim is true. Local legends and stuff heard via heresay is very rarely accurate, so if there is no hard data to back up that claim i would be extremely doubtful
I have no doubt they probably did dive somewhere in the strid back in the 70's, but was it the part he's showing us with those depths, very strong current and God only knows what kind of caves etc at the bottom from that current smashing at it for all these years, HELL NO! I call bullshit, they just went further up/down stream where it's wider and safer/slower current and claimed theyve been to the bottom of the worst partp, the 4 meter comment kind of proves that because that's a hell of a lot deeper than 4 meters even if it's not the 60 meters, I don't think anyone in any scuba gear could control anything in that speed and volume of water. Not unless they had someone on the surface with a winch and a chain to drag them back out, they'd either get sucked under and get stuck or if they were lucky they'd get blasted downstream smashing off all the rocks on the way down(almost certain death either way lol)
This is what I was thinking lmao it’s definitely overblown how do we know no one else has got in and survived? I’ve only actually heard of a couple deaths on the river not 1000s
@@MDM1992 where is your information from though? Just local legends and hearsay about the current being completely deadly it’s possible for the current to be fast and still survive
@@jackasnacks you're on the right track man! Speech is on point, video is well edited, sounds good, with decent and honest info :) one thing that might (my personal guess) have messed up the sonar readings is that the current might have kinda tilted the sonar, so it would be measuring a mix of the length and depth of the river (not sure if a sonar can take this into account or not, it's just my own guess)
@@lucasvp2005 very well put. We need a Strid 2 video to check this theory out. But yes, very good point. Still a very genuine young man sharing his findings in good faith but yes,
The sudden increase in viewers is well deserved. Your attention to the details is pretty thorough, and I've watched a few channels in my day and you make these topics pretty intriguing. Keep up the great work, my friend!
I'm now aware that me thinking underwater footage from the 70s is crazy was actually very wrong of me. I only thought it was impossible due to the reply the diver told me as he said it was back in the 70s so has no footage of it. I thought that meant it wasn't possible to get footage but have clearly been corrected by many people in the comments!
It wasn't impossible, but it would be pretty implausible that even a very serious hobbyist diver in the 70s had an underwater video camera and was willing to bring it into the Strid. It wasn't like today, where you could start shooting professional-grade footage on an iPhone. There *had* been some underwater films at that point (Jacque Cousteau was a household name) but the technology was expensive back then - shooting underwater films in even placid tropical waters was the domain of people wealthy enough they could commission submarines. I'm not sure there even *was* consumer technology for low light underwater videography, and if there was it likely wouldn't have survived the conditions present in the Strid. You spent 25 minutes trying to get a GoPro out of the place.. Imagine if that GoPro cost as much as a car. You'd never have dreamed of throwing it in. :p
We have a place here in Minnesota sort of like The Strid. I don't know how deep it goes, or how extreme it actually is, but we have a river that drains into Lake Superior called Temperance River. It too has a spot where it transfroms from a wide "safe" river into a sudden gorge. People have thought they were safe wading in the wide part of the river only to be sadly swept away to their death.
These undercurrents are hidden killers aren’t they. When a river looks so beautiful on the surface for a nice wild swim and before you know it there’s not much you can do about the situation you find yourself in!
I just saw it on google maps, and it really does look rather extreme at the point where it suddenly narrows to a very small stream. I wonder how many such places like that there are in the world.
Yeah, having grown up on the Range where there’s some flooded old mines and having also lived in Duluth, I believe it. Lake Superior itself is easily underestimated. It’s “just a lake”….with maps that mark all the known shipwrecks. A healthy fear/respect for nature is a good safety tip in general: you are not stronger than the current, you are not tougher than hypothermia, ticks will find you, bears will find your food, and moose are bigger than you think. And the crows will watch, mocking your poor life choices.
@@Uffda. Yes, the legend lives on from the Chippewa on down of the big lake they call Gitchee-Gumee. Superior, it is said, never gives up her dead. You need to tread with a light foot when you go there.
You just keeping being you and continue doing what you are. Your videos are entertaining and informative, The sonar measurements are interesting and many have commented where inaccurate data could come from. I dived in the 70's and there is no reason why footage would not be available, but obviously photo or cini only, and that gear was expensive at the time Judging by the narrow areas and the force of the water there are a hell of a lot of areas where no one would consider diving. With surface to diver air supply one can stay down longer and be less encumbered by equipment I imagine. Lets hope some one watching has the sort of robot gear they will let you borrow or watch in operation to get more information. Well done and carry on, if it never exceeds 10m you are still getting answers about a place with a bit of reputation
I hope you kept the little rock/meteorite. It looked flat on one side which is what I've seen on another vid. The meteorite burns like that as it enters Earth's atmosphere. Anyway, I'm not an expert, but maybe get it checked by a geologist 🤙
Test the sonar in other rivers with actual depth markings, and you'll know how accurate the sonar is. I think the 1970 divers are incorrect because I don't think they had equipment to illuminate the bottom, and they may have missed narrow cracks on the sides that went further down.
It would be interesting to do an experiment to see how aerating water impacts sonar results, and how adding craggy rocks at the bottom of a body of water affects it. Maybe fill a small tank with water and put a few tubes in parallel at the bottom with a bunch of holes drilled into them and air being forced through them, then using the sonar to test how deep it measures compared to the actual height?
Bubbles show up on sonar as echoes. The problem with the sonar he used is that it displays a simplified view of the sonar data, you need a proper sonar that will show you all the data and someone experienced with that sonar to intemperate what you are seeing. I am a fishing guide and we use sonar all the time, and you can gather quite a bit of information other than just the depth if you have a good sonar and know how to use it.
I imagine a sonar reading would be way more accurate in a tank than in real depths, just from there being less distance to travel and less "noise" in the way from top to bottom. Could still be interesting though. Side note, I know nothing about this kind of thing, I'm just speculating.
@@EbolaBearr most sonars would go haywire in a tank, they hate small confined spaces, the signal bounces of everything. And most sonars you can buy don't work very well in under 1m of water.
I’m a middle aged guy from the Midwest in the United States. Had never heard of the Strid until I stumbled upon your channel but now I’m hooked. You seem to be a very down to earth, well spoken young man and I think that is part of the draw. Keep up the good work…..I’ll be following (subbed).
I’ve seen stories of the Strid for a while now. It’s mostly people doing voice overs about the dangers, or the horrors of people losing their life in those waters. You are the only one I’ve seen who has attempted to learn more about the river, To share more than someone else’s story. Dont need to worry about the transparency. You made it very clear that you were trying different things to gather more info on the river. Keep doing what your doing. You didn’t get to nearly 10k subscribers by presenting false information. You got there because we like seeing you try something new. Stay safe out there, and keep up the good work.
I like that you're staying open and transparent as well. this is real science. keep it honest, keep it humble and you will do bloody brilliant. good on ya
Great vid. In terms of the guys who claimed to have scuba dived the strid, a quick Google search shows the question of diving it has been asked in diving forums. All the answers were it's a one way trip, the water carries to much peat so you can't see anything so when trying to surface you could in fact be diving deeper. If you go back to your go-pro underwater footage all those bubbles would change the density of the water so you'd sink, which is why the bodies of people who have died there are found days later further down stream of at all. Either way keep up the outstanding vids
Right. Jacks previous underwater videos demonstrate the evidence for this. There's is arguably as much air underwater in the form of bubbles as there is water. Absolutely no way you are diving in that i'm sorry. Also the fact these people seemingly did the entire stunt in anonymity and go on to shy away from a video interview kind of says it all.
Now that is excellent work Simon! You did a little research and shared what you found with the class. You could have been like that other guy and the 50 comments on his comment. Nobody looked into it. Just a bunch of speculation and guesses
Love your videos, love the spirit of exploration, and love the transparency. Whatever the actual depth is, you are doing a lot to make a piece of this world more intelligible. Keep up the great work!
I’d have to agree with everyone else man, keep going with the way you structure your vids, feels like how RUclips used to be and it’s refreshing man well done!
your absolute honesty is refreshing! Seriously your style of presenting your way of trying and erring and taking us along with you is very fun to watch.
Thank you so much for this video and all your videos! The strid videos were what attracted me, but Wow. What an honest human being you are and produce great channel content.
You can’t scuba dive in the Strid because of all the debris. Imagine the force with which rocks, branches, etc would be shooting through the 2m section.
I was thinking that diving in the 70's would be different on a few levels. The amount of erosion thats occurred, for starters. And that they probably dove in a different section, with a slower current.
On a summers day when the rains are low there’s not that much of a current! The water entering it is not vast by any means! You can see in the video it’s quite shallow before it starts and not fast flowing! I know it goes narrow but it’s also deep so the stream is just flipped 90 degrees! The only time the strid is really dangerous and where people have died is in bad weather when there’s been floods! Any river is dangerous in bad weather! It’s legend is growing year by year thanks to RUclips and I’m sure it will get more and more dangerous according to the net! But this is a stream where people have jumped in on a nice summers day and lived!
Exactly pravin, there's nobody that's ever dived and survived the actual part of the strid. The rest of it is not as dangerous, only the narrowest parts. They NEVER send drivers into that part, the drivers search down from the Strid, not in it.
Either side of the notorious 2m section the river widens back to its normal size so is swim able. I was the few weeks ago and did indeed see people in the water. But the area around the 2m part is where the danger lies.
I read a story years ago in a magazine about the strid and the place always fascinated me. I live in the US and have been watching videos on the strid for awhile now and I really like your approach on producing videos about the place. Keep up the good work and stay safe.
As far as the depth of this oddity, go all early tech. Get a heavy, knotted lead-line and drop her in. Measure the spacing of the knots. This is how it was done hundreds of years ago in original 'soundings'.
You might have to account for drift, though. Not sure how fast that water is moving the further down you go. Unless you can make the rope drop straight down without it drifting too far away from your location then the measurements will be skewed.
Just found you today from your Strid sonar video, and I went and watched several hours of your content. You are great, and I love your journalistic and scientific approach to much of what you do. Don't let people wear you down, and keep doing what you're doing. As long as you love it, your audience will love it too. This is the internet, and there are literally people who show up just to hate. Doesn't matter if your methods are perfect the first time through, if you keep improving, you're doing real science. You are legitimately studying something that very few people have put effort into studying, and that isn't easy when you are doing everything from scratch. There literally isn't even specialized equipment for this. You're doing great. 👍👍 It is also worth noting that you have already disproven some of the nay-sayers to a degree when you dropped your camera down to the bottom. You didn't find a sixty meter hole, but it was certainly deeper than the ten meters that was so dismissively thrown around by supposed divers of the location. I also just wanted to say that your Strid video caught my attention, but your overall content is what got me to subscribe. Looking forward to seeing more.
We're talking about a time most people weren't obsessed with getting their face on a picture for everything they do (or eat). They just went and did and enjoyed.. and then told about it.
Agreed. There will be circumstantial evidence that lends legitimacy to their claims. Something like a P.A.D.I. certificate, or equivalent from the era in question. They could describe some notable topography of the river floor, which could be verified by camera. I'm sceptical about such claims, based on age alone... Let's assume a young man of 20 years scuba dived the Strid in 1975. That would make them about 66 years old today. Now if we look at the youtube demographics, a 66 year old man leaving a comment is about as rare as hen's teeth. Now figure out what the odds are that two of them would be claiming the same story & leaving comments about it. I personally don't think anyone has ever scuba dived in the narrows of the Strid, but wouldn't doubt that they did in the wide & safer part.
@@kaisersose5549 I'm 59. Not quite 68 thank God but still 59. I'm either an anomaly or we old ones are bucking the trend. I can't remember anyone in my peer group in the 70s having a diving license. I just think it's naysayers but we should have a Strid 2 Sonar run to check previous findings. Signed 'not the demographic'😉
You deserve your fame for the information you have brought forth. I, an American, was stationed in Harrogate iñ '86 went to York and Leeds many times but had never heard of the strid. This is what the internet is all about: seeing the incredible, unseen next to you or far away. Thank you very much.
I have a hard time believing that the scuba divers can know the max depth of the strid there is underwater caves and entrances that are hard to find underwater and besides I’m sure the geography underneath the strid has changed a ton since the 70s due to rocks and sediment being carried and moved around by the current rivers are always changing. So I encourage you to keep doing experiments to find the true max depth because honestly no one really knows for sure
As someone whose hobbies put him on spring-fed streams, I figured the conditions of the Strid skewed your sonar results. But whether your findings were accurate is completely irrelevant. You should be commended for your curiosity, effort to find answers, and, above all, your honesty.
have you thought about measuring the depth the old fashion way? With a really heavy weight tied to a long rope? Lay something over the river (like a ladder) and have the rope go through the center rung of the ladder so that the weight is centered in the middle of the river? I am sure you could work with someone to see if a certain shape of the weight will lessen the force of the current so it will more likely go straight down. You could even attach a camera and light to the rope. Not sure if my idea is coming through well in the text.
@@stevecarter8810 yes he did, but I think he did that in the shallower areas and his setup was not heavy enough and was not in the middle of the river.
@@AmatuerHourCoding What about a clamped high tensile steel cable secured to something heavy like a cinder block or 100lb dumbell? Don't think it would stay close enough to center to get a better idea?
Oh man I'm so excited to follow this journey! I've been fascinated by the Strid for a long time, and I've used it as inspiration for one of my world building elements in a story I've been working on for years. Can't wait to learn more!!
When you chuck stuff in I'd suggest making the rear of it more cone shaped to help it not get snagged on stuff when pulling it back up. Guess you gotta go magnet fishing for your magnet now :D
Just get a comically large ruler lol I love the videos and I feel like your sonar readings could be true although it’s impossible to tell love the honesty and quality
@@Steam_Engenius should we get a back up to that magnet just in case? I think a backup to the backup is a good idea, also just dam the entire river and divert it elsewhere then measure the depth, simple enough
Please don't beat yourself up on this one Jack - everything you did and reported was done in obvious good faith and it is hugely to your credit how quickly you've shared the possible doubts being aired; particularly refreshing on this platform!
Pretty sure boats use sonar more than anything else and they are certainly not stationary or considered attached when the only thing they can be attached to is floating around sporadically on waves.. never heard of sonar being inaccurate on boats so can't see why it would be on land.
thank you for standing uo and be honest about the potential uncertainties with the sonar measurement! thats how the scientific method should work, not just present "facts" but also question our data/measurements.
Love the facepalm asking for footage BUT the Strid is not exactly something new. If someone were ballsy enough to SCUBA dive in it I guarantee they would have taken pictures since it would have been a big deal. They did have cameras in the 70's. Also, someone smarter than I should be able to figure out at least a rough estimate of the minimum depth required to pass the Wharfe flow rate through based on the average width of the Strid. I doubt there is any way to account for the unknown resistance from boulders and the not straight sides but it would at least give an idea of a minimum depth requirement
Why not believe it's so deep? Look at the width depth and flow before the strid, then imagine it vertically instead of horizontally, water finds a way 🧐
It certainly could still be very deep I don’t want to fully write off my sonar readings. I just wanted to share the bigger picture with everyone so we’re on the same path!
@@scorpioassmodeusgtx1811 Only problem with that route is depth might not consider caves that extend the width in the undercut sections. Ergo, it’s not 214’ deep and 5’ wide, but, say 45’ deep and 80’ wide (and highly variable). Numbers completely speculative, of course.
@@scorpioassmodeusgtx1811 that won't work, you see even if the Strid was a thousand feet deep in just that section, any flow will keep it filled up. You can't make any calculation from rate of flow up stream that would tell you anything about the depth downstream. He hasn't yet seen my comment I posted about 3 times about him capturing a Stalactite in his last video, but evidence suggests this is a breached cavern with depths significantly lower than the below the strid section. So any flow will keep it full like a reservoir. The above comments about diverting the up stream flow so it can be explored are not taking into account that it'd have water that would still have to be pumped out. lol And given the nature of limestone caverns, there is potential for other subterranean inflows, such as those that formed the cavern over eons and before the river above breached the ceiling.
@@maggiethedruid9010 True, and based on Jack's comments, he is thinking along the lines of sending an underwater drone in there. They already exist on Amazon and costs are coming down. I have been thinking about getting one myself. I viewed the gopro footage and most commenters are making big false assumptions about the currents "bashing divers" against rocks, being deadly, etc. Sure bubbles can be pushed down far near that cataract at the start of it, but the currents, I am very sure, attenuate quickly away from that initial plunge pool, especially given the large under bank volume this current is plunging into. Small bubbles do not correlate to a human body. I expect 2/3 of the deep section are actually not that swift below about 15 feet. I am of course referring to during times of normal or low rainfall / river flow. During flood stage, it would clearly be impossible to explore in any way shape or form.
It takes a lot of strength of character to admit that your own findings can be erroneous. Especially when the new found pressures of RUclips notoriety is added. May you continue to experiment, explore, have fun, and bring us along with you.
A relatively simple way of working out the depth to a very broad ball park figure is to measure the width and average depth up stream where it is shallow and calm, and this will give you a general cross section area of the water. Go to the narrow section of the Strid, measure the width, and divide the area upstream by this width. This will give you a ball park depth ±10m. In simpler terms, up strem in the calm area, you might have a 20m wide, 2m deep stream, but the narrow bit of the Strid might be 2m wide, and therefore would be 20m deep. (Between 10 and 30m.) To use fluid dynamics and volume properly, you would need to make many measurements upstream at different points across the stream, and different depths, to get an average volume of water per second, minute, or hour, then do the same multiple measurements in the actual Strid to work out the volume of water correction. (Fast moving water usually equates to smaller volume.) An even easier way, but likely harder to get all the permits for, is a seismic survey. A whole bunch of surface detectors in a line across either side of the Strid, and a detonation nearby. Also do a line down each side, about one or two metres from the stream centreline, to show any caves and under cuts along the sides. To go completely overboard, wait until mid summer, and get the Grimwith and Barden reservoirs to hold back all water for a day if safe to do so, and install a temporary dam upstream somewhere to greatly lower the water to a level and flow rate safe for divers. LIDAR and sonar scan the whole stretch, then at the end of the day, start releasing the water again. Of course, the more advanced the level of scan data, the more expensive, the more legal issues, the more government departments and exponentially longer red tape needed.
I got so excited when I saw a new strid video. I think initially it got so popular because of MrBallen, but your videos are really putting it on the map! I also want to say I really appreciate your honesty and humility. That's so rare among RUclipsrs, who all too often only care about getting more views and subs.
I watched that video. It showed the maximum to actually be 66 metres and the most common reading to be 65.9 which would be rounded off as 66 metres. I did environmental science at uni, we learned a lot of statistical maths and we would have rounded off 65.9 as 66 rather than 65. Anyway enjoying your videos mate. Btw that piece of rock that came up with the magnet, the one with the orange colouring? I would say it’s some kind of iron ore mineral. Probably Haematite.
Why not get a 2lb weight and a long rope like what you have and throw where it was 65m and measure it that way? If you get a heavy enough weight(like one downriggers use for fishing) the water current won’t affect it to much? That could be a fun experiment
In 2015 a scientist discovered a pocket of low gravity in the village where I grew up and barely there's ever new information about it, so honestly I'm just happy there are updates
It does you great credit to be so open about the information from the divers and even a 10 metre depth with that sort of flow should be enough to give anyone pause for thought. I look forward to your next venture...and keep taking the safety precautions.
This is what i said the other day, but said use a good chain, rally long of course, and out like 50 pounds of weight on the bottom with the gopro and 2 or 3 big flashlights would cost maybe a few hundred to get and make.. but sure would be cool
@@skie6282 you'd need something like a boat's anchor winch to operate it I think. That's a lot to manage solo. Anyone want to volunteer & help Jack set up this experiment? Reckon we could rustle up a few fit folks, mebbe?
I would take a comment like that with a grain of salt unless it can be proved. Keep up the experiments and I am sure you will be credited as the one who truly solved the mystery!! Glad to be onboard as a subscriber for the journey!
Thank you for knocking out one of the last wonders of the world. Who would of thought that humans would know the depth of the ocean before they knew the depth of the strid? I cannot believe that there has not been credible research of the strid being how famous it is. I was awestruck at the fact that it seems that you are one of the first to document the strid.
My son and I used to find these small magnetic “rocks “everywhere. It turns out they are very small meteorites and apparently they’re everywhere. Good luck with your future projects.
With so much belligerence and willful ignorance in the world its such a relief to witness moments from the life of a seemingly well put together and reasonable human being. We are all just trying to make it and make life interesting. I wish you the best and I really enjoy learning more about the Strid and its mysteries. I heard about the Strid when I was little from a story my dad told me. It always mystified me. Thank you
I've been fascinated with the Strid ever since I first heard about it. I think it's funny when people comment about diverting the river up stream so as to drain the Strid and observe what's down there - in what instance would this ever be warranted by the local authorities, government agencies or any other bodies? - other than it being of interest to individuals who have no means and no permission to ever carry out such a monumental task, there is no "requirement" for this... As far as depth is concerned, the Strid is a slot canyon and my guess is it's closer to Jack's sonar test results than these 10 meter claims. There is no official figures but the stretch could be aerially Geo-fised, could it not? My guess is that it could but never has been officially because there is no reason for it... We all want to know the mysteries held in this sacred stretch of the river Wharf, myself included.
I don't believe it's simply a slot canyon. I just emailed him with time stamp because in his last video he captured what looks very much to me like a possibly large and ancient Stalactite. This would probably be the first video evidence helping to explain the peculiar hydrogeology of the Strid. It's looking more likely to me that the Strid is due to a breached cavern having been inundated by the river which eroded through the cavern's limestone ceiling from above.
I’m going to pray that the Lord gives you the strength and wisdom to correctly handle your newfound celebrity in a way that you may remain morally true and non corrupt
If your ‘really, truly benevolent god’ really existed, he wouldn’t allow such terrible things to happen. Would he? Ask my sister who passed away aged 24 leaving two small children motherless.
I'm an atheist but I try not to let on because I don't want to be lumped in the same group as you guys, don't understand metaphor, have no manners... I'd rather take tea with the vicar than be associated with this kind of behaviour
"I've lost me magnet"
THE STRID CLAIMS ANOTHER VICTIM
Lmao
You should contact the divers that do body recovery at the Strid..They would most likely have the most valid information of what the Strid is like underwater.
This comment should be more popular!
Do people do body recovery from the Strid itself? I assumed anyone who was found had washed up further down the river. How would you even control your descent with the maddening current all around you?
@@ukraineme96 I'm sure some cases body float down river, but they probably have cases where people get stuck in underwater caves and holes..There are some professional divers out there that specialize in this kind of recovery operations. Divers would most likely use rebreathers and other special equipment to make the dive there and control their ascents and decent rates, along with being tied in back to the surface. Rebreathers allow you to stay underwater for hours if need be. That mixed with not going super deep, they wouldn't need time to hit decompression stages on their way back up...That's where I would start searching for answers though. Rescue divers and or cave diving instructors. I'm sure somebody from that community would be willing to help...Hope this helps mate
@@50StichesSteel As far as I know, body recovery is not normally done in the Strid, due to the intense current. Yes, cave divers regularly recover bodies, but this particular location is far too dangerous to do body rescues, do to the fact that it's basically completely unmapped, and bodies will be rapidly pulled down and transported long distances, potentially into completely unmapped random crevices or caves within the system.
@@50StichesSteel I assume the Strid is WAY too dangerous for rescue or body retrieval diving. Body retrieval is incredibly dangerous for divers even in calm waters already, and the strid is basically what happens if you google "opposite of calm".
Great to finally see someone concentrating on investigating the Strid. Been fascinated with it for years, and the lack of research is so frustrating! A few points on the comments that you addressed in this video:
✅ Remember that a couple of people saying ‘I dived the Strid in the 70s…’ are a bit like a bloke in a pub saying he caught a 10 foot shark when he didn’t have his camera. Tall tales have been around forever. Doesn’t mean they’re wrong or lying, just be aware that ‘diving the Strid’ might mean different things to different people. There are certain areas *NO ONE COULD DIVE* and we all know it. Maybe they meant that they dived in the quieter area just after the really turbulent section. Your readings of the scary sections are still very relevant. I admire your honesty and desire for truth, but that runs both ways. Your evidence on film showing your technique is a lot more compelling than a story from some random anonymous viewer who hasn’t responded to your follow-up…
✅ Remember to keep comments in perspective. If you get a hundred comments, and 10 of them say the same thing, then it’s worth taking note of that. If 1 of them makes a claim without proof, maybe ask the question in a video to see if anyone can corroborate it. But don’t just take someone’s word for something. There are (sadly) a lot of nutters out there in the anonymous world of the internet, and if you take every claim that seriously, you’ll never get anything done. A healthy dose of scepticism is a good plan when you’re exploring a new frontier.
✅ There’s an astonishing lack of information on the Strid. Hence why your channel is growing so fast! There’s a good chance that’s because research on the Strid is pretty hard to do. It isn’t an easy or safe place to explore, so people haven’t done the kind of investigations we’d all like to see. So claims about “oh, I did that years ago, it was easy, it’s only 10 feet deep and you’re wrong” are more than likely over-inflated at best.
Keep going with your investigations, and don’t be put off. And don’t give any one or two people too much attention until you do have that corroboration with more voices. Ask the questions if you think there might be something to it, but please don’t effectively denigrate your own evidence in favour of unproven stories until you have some evidence for them. That’s dangerous territory. Like a horrible teacher telling you at school that you’ll never amount to anything…you have to try your best anyway and see whether they’re right in the end or not!
Good luck and well done. Great work! 👍
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Man, love this thank you so much for taking the time to share your points with me. It does really help to put it in perspective. It's strange going from 10 comments a day to 500 comments a day. I felt like i had no way of controlling or responding to people unless i made a video about it. I'm sure it's something i will get used to. I want to take people at face value as i have faith in people. Maybe i am just a bit gullable lol. Appreciate you dropping your thoughts here though Brams really does help me!
I wouldn't say they didn't dive there in the 70s........like to know what part they dived at
@@jackasnacks keep in mind as well, 40-50 years ago leaves a lot of time for peoples memories of something to get spotty and unreliable.
People can be completely honest and it not be true, or be exaggerated as they told the story over and over again over the years.
oh yeah, you're right monty. If you think about that they would probably have been at least around 18 at the time and that was 50 years ago so you are talking about people that should be around 70 at youngest.
@@jackasnacks You’re really welcome, and thanks for responding 🙂. You’re not gullible, lol - in fact it’s great to see that rare desire for honesty and humility about your own output! Just remember that we’re here because we like *you* and what *you’re* doing. Any commenter needs to back themselves up in some way to topple that!
Must be so weird at the moment getting all this attention and seeing your channel go mad. Would freak me out too! Stay yourself. Your channel is growing for two reasons - you as the down to earth normal guy from these videos, and your focus on this subject matter. Stay true to those and you have a winner! 👍 Well deserved :)
I scuba dived the Mariana trench back in the 80's, it's only 10 metres deep.
True. I did too back in the 90s.
I can't tell if this is a joke or not xd
I can confirm that - magnet fished the trench with some polycord from home depot...
I free-dived it for pearls the size of beach balls in the 30s.
Did you feel like an astronaut in the ocean ? Sorry i’ll see myself out
You seem like a well-meaning/truthful young man, and I enjoy your demeanor; "keep on trucking."
Cheers Dann good to see you hear again thanks for all your support brother
On the plus side, you now have a magnet to find on your next magnet fishing trip
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@@jackasnacks don't forget to "locktite" the new magnet to the fixing this time
@@mortxiii I lost my biggest magnet on it's first toss out. It got wedged in some large rocks. Snapped my rope trying to get it out.
funny as! iT will mean he actually caught a magnet whilst magnet fishing. Thank you. You really made my day. 01:00am and laughing recklessly! lmao
Always look on the bright side 💪😎👍
A pressure transducer might be a way to measure the depth? This would ignore all the 'noise' from the walls, turbulence and air etc, and simply give the hydrostatic pressure at the deepest point. Hydrogeologists use them in groundwater monitoring wells where they can be read relatively easily with a computer connection.
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I was thinking this as well
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I did see a comment on your video that said "please wear a life jacket" and I was really happy to see you wearing one! Love the videos man keep it up!
Thanks Jeff appreciate it! Felt good to be wearing one tbh! I felt safer!
@@jackasnacks It will probably do nothing if you fall in, sorry to tell you.
@@jason19twofour I'd say can't hurt - except if it causes overconfidence.. but with the undercuts, if you got pulled under at all, then no.
I mean he could wear a helmet and carry a spare air that would probably make him a hundred percent safe I mean he could wear a fall harnessed and tie off to an anchor Point somewhere that would keep him from falling in using it as a fall restraint system
@@jason19twofour A lifeline might be better
I have serious doubts that anyone actually dived the Strid itself. Maybe they did some areas up or downstream, however the narrowest part (The actual Strid) would be like jumping into a rock tumbler. Plus, the currents are unpredictable. You could never know if one would pull you into a cave that you'd never be able to get out of.
Those were my thoughts exactly.
I agree
No way anyone dived in that.
You know there’s some weird stuff down there. Caves, yes, without a doubt. But also possibly erosion patterns unseen anywhere else on the planet, causing currents that bash you into rocks, trap you in a pool, etc. . Can’t believe someone hasn’t explored it with a small submersible of some kind. I’d watch that.
I remember visiting the Strid in the 70s and seeing divers in the water. They approached the narrows from downstream.
I have no idea if they mentioned the depth, but I did hear them saying that it shelved a lot and had overhanging rocks beneath the surface.
There were two divers in the water during their swim.
So, all I can confirm is that there was definitely scuba divers in the Strid around that time, but I don't know who they were.
I felt the results may be incorrect when I figured the 65m meant the Strid was significantly deeper than Niagara falls is high (at 51m). However, science means experience and more experiments are key. The Strid is a fascinating subject. Keep up the good work, subscribed.
Thanks Ian appreciate the comment got a lot more planned to do here still just taking time to get a day and equipment together!
@@jackasnacks I think it's odd that the Strid hasn't attracted a university or government project to map its depth and geometry. Install a temporary track along its length then have a gantry that extends out to drop a rigidly mounted sonar, down and side scan, with several cameras and powerful lights. The down rig would have to be able to move sideways to adjust for the bends in the river. Use laser scanning for the above water level part then combine all the data into a navigable 3D model.
@@chrisbentleywalkingandrambling It's also the UK. I doubt they would even allow the environmental damage such a construction project would cause. The place is beautiful, I imagine they want to keep it that way.
Science requires experiments but they only work if you understand how to use your tools and mind like a scientist.
@@greggv8it’s not interesting to science 🤷
Already showing extreme transparency, wholesome. A lot of creators would of just ignored it and only care about more subs and views. Thank you
I agree... I watched the original Strid videos and enjoyed them, but this video made me subscribe. I respect transparency!
Thanks Ben really means a lot to read comments like this. The whole RUclips thing has really taken off in the past few weeks and it is important to me that all the people subscribing know that i really do respect their opinions and appreciate their views. I am really excited and have a lot of confidence that one day we will have the answers about the Strid that we are all looking for.
@@jackasnacks you have gained a follower and most likely a patron in me. Good stuff, if you have a patreon or store/donation area.
@jack a snacks
The popularity around this might be due to these vids being an exciting kind of "follow up" to Tom Scott's vid on the river? Possible perhaps. Anyway nice one mate. 👍
Having grown up in Yorkshire, camping every weekend and visiting The Strid quite often I cannot remember hearing of or seeing anybody diving there. I was brought up to have great respect for The Strid. Keep up the experiments and stay true to yourself as you are a breath of fresh air.
Yes, it seems very unlikely and dangerous to dive there, even if it was supposedly "only" 4-10 meters deep..
The comments he spoke of can be anything from a compulsive liar to false-memory, or anything in between. But who really knows...
@@skurarN they would have taken photos if it were in the 70's ,imagine how many pics you have of family from the 70's ,cameras were very common
Yeah some photos at the surface with dive gear would go a long way to validate the claim at least a bit.
I don't get why everyone finds it so hard to believe? People kill themselves trying to push the boundaries all through history. How many cave divers have died? You think it didn't occur to them that what their doing might be dangerous?
Especially something as easily accessible as the Strid...
Anyway, believe what you will
@@johanferreira6728 That's only another reason to think at least some rumors would exist about that happening, especially when multiple people did so. Someone killing themselves for a dumb reason is far from uncommon, but to survive a dumb situation with a well known spot of deadly history and there being no rumors in countryside England?
To me there are 2 possibilities, either they dived or they didn't. But then there are a few more situations as to why there weren't any rumors.
1. They didn't dive and lied to spread misinformation. (seems a bit much)
2. They didn't dive, but did something akin to it, like diving in a bit that wasn't as turbulent but close enough to be called the Strid for the sake of a good tale. (which seems the most likely)
3. They didn't dive but think it'd make for a good story, even if it's completely made up. And then used some comments from the echo video to make claims about a different depth. (Which isn't that unlikely, but I'd like to think they're above that kind of thing).
4. They did dive, but nobody believed they did, they didn't have any proof, so they stopped telling they did until this moment. (Which would at least mean there should be old rumors, or older people who have heard something akin to it. So very unlikely).
5. They did dive, but didn't tell anybody for the sake of not encouraging people to dive too (which is an exceptionally unlikely situation, since you wouldn't dive with that mentality, and your personal experience would be a better deterrent).
6. They did dive, but never bothered to tell anyone about this legendry tale until now (also extremely unlikely).
So yeah, considering that the person who dived there said it wasn't that bad and only 4-10 meters, I'm leaning towards option 2.
And sure, it's easily accessible, but it's also known to be extremely deadly. You have to be very foolhardy to try swimming in the Strid (the actual rapid and deathly bit) without serious preparation, and foolhardy people who'd survive such a thing tend to boast.
Now if there was a lot of preparation, then you'd have some recollection of it. There would be rumors of "back in the 70's a group of people managed to dive there", anything like that. But not only is there none of that, all recollections of someone swimming there end with deadly experiences.
I understand wanting to believe it, but this claim is only word of mouth, and there seems to very little to corroborate that it is possible. But there does seem to be a lot of historical deaths that'd indicate the opposite.
So personally, unless they want to be documented making the claim and provide an experience that could be deemed more plausible through more research I personally can't think of any reason to believe them other than antagonism or for the sense of wonder.
Tom Scott started a whole RUclips sub genre
Hahaha he sure did!
Right!
I remember visiting the Strid in the 70s and seeing divers in the water. They approached the narrows from downstream.
I have no idea if they mentioned the depth, but I did hear them saying that it shelved a lot and had overhanging rocks beneath the surface.
There were two divers in the water during their swim.
So, all I can confirm is that there was definitely scuba divers in the Strid around that time, but I don't know who they were.
That's cool Harry cheers for letting us know! Weird to think it would have been normal to see people diving it back then and now you never even hear of it. I have asked the estate if we can arrange for it to be dived again i am just waiting on a response from Mr Heyes which is the estate director to see what options we have if any. I have a bunch of people that are wanting to dive it with the latest tech and cameras we just need permission!
I think scuba was more trendy in the 70s. My parents were scuba diving Montana at the time. I never once saw them use the equipment from the 80s on.
Yeah they stopped after gaining that knowledge combined with many people actually falling victim, it's akin to ice fishing a river and falling in the hole with 2 feet of ice standing between you and the surface...only worse because it's straight up rocks that pin and block you, while strong current pins you. This is why you do not mess with strong current...like...at all, so for me as a fisherman, I need to ride that line and make sure I am giving a lot of wiggle room, because people forget that if you are waist deep in a river, and flooding happens, you could quickly be swept off, I notice natural variances in current even just normally, let alone if a storm is happening up in the mountains...
I have also heard of people being pinned underwater, without a ceiling of sorts blocking you, just simply a really strong specific current that you end up in and end up pinned against a large rock or something like that.
I'm spending my Saturday evening watching a video about a river on the other side of the world, that I'll probably never see. But yet, I can't look away.
It would be so easy to see a young lad with a modest budget making a farcical video doing this, but you've gone about it with such sincerity and openness about your limitations that I find it admirable. You strike me as a natural for documentaries with a Louis Theroux vibe that makes your videos very easy to watch. Good job.
LOVEEEE this thank you Kuva! really appreciate the kind words. Will always be open and honest with you all and really excited to discover more on this Strid with you all
You people on that side of the lake make everything sound so intelligent....
When I was a kid, my next door neighbours dad told us about when he had scuba dived the strid.
He said there were caves underneath and you could only swim so far upstream towards the "waterfall". What I think he meant was you couldn't get very close at all!
I was just thinking along those lines. We need to know exactly what part of the channel they dived. As you'd expect, it gets deeper the closer you get to the first cataract, where the forces of erosion will be the greatest but there the current is also very strong and turbulent.
I once swam up there, back in the 80's (not recommended). That last section, and the most dangerous part, wasn't even reachable, and I was a pretty strong swimmer back then. The current was just too fast.
I'm trying to figure out how they wouldn't have died from that, even in the areas with lesser pressure. If they reached a point to where they couldn't swim anymore due to current, they more than likely would have been pushed against a ledge or into a cave. Most of the strid seems to consist of the same thing that we see above - flat ledges sticking out and being undercut even dozens of feet down. Since a scuba diver needs a dive mask held on by elastic and a regulator...I question how long they would be able to keep the mask on or the regulator in their mouth. The current would literally rip both off, most likely. There is also very low visibility. I think they just wanted a sensational story based off of common sense. We all know that it is undercut and likely has caves. Also, once they reached the point where the air bubbles were significant, they would sink like a rock. Scuba gear wouldn't help them. They'd be trapped until their air ran out.
Yes & thanks I assumed only way a sane diver would do it was start below wear it's safe to swim & work upstream
I wonder if this could be the catalyst that would allow a team of divers the ability to access the strid for a more modern scientific investigation. I think one every 50 years or so is enough time to allow for equipment development while still giving information to keep it relevant for each generation. I think that if it were set up properly with a qualified dive team and modern gear you could probably approach it from the down stream side and possibly even using some climbing gear and ropes to help with everything.
even with modern technical dive equipment, a quick current still tries to force water in everywhere.
I was there today when you were filming (guy with the baseball cap on, taking pics of the potholes). I wondered what you were doing with the big red rope. Didn't want to shout across the river to ask. Now I know!
I feel the important thing here is your genuine fascination with this stretch of beautiful water. I'll watch new information about this river everytime you post.
Cheers Jimmy i do enjoy a good look around the old strid! Brilliant place
1) Going by the colour of the water the little pieces might be fragments of bog-iron
2) Come back with another magnet to retrieve the first one 😁
You could be right, my first thought was possibly a tiny iron meteor fragment.
I could almost guarantee the bottom of the strid is riddled in gold flakes.
Keeping it real. Refreshing for someone making content and not sensationalize or dramatize. Continue to keep it real and interesting and I will continue to watch. Good job.
Yes Paul! Full intentions on the keeping it real thing haha thanks for the kind words!
The local legend goes that anyone who has ever entered that part of the strid dies, 100% fatality rate. Are these two men the first to survive? The idea that anyone could scuba dive with full gear in such fast waters is honestly hard to imagine. You've shown us yourself how difficult it is to see underwater in that part of the strid. I trust your science equipment over the word of two strangers on RUclips! Keep up the great content!!!
Was going to comment similar myself how 2 people can say they've scuba dived here and survived is beyond me when it's fatality rate is supposed to be 100%
If all we've got to go on is local legend I doubt it's true, if you look at what some people have survived at places like niagara falls and the rapids near to them I find it hard to believe that the 100% claim is true. Local legends and stuff heard via heresay is very rarely accurate, so if there is no hard data to back up that claim i would be extremely doubtful
I have no doubt they probably did dive somewhere in the strid back in the 70's, but was it the part he's showing us with those depths, very strong current and God only knows what kind of caves etc at the bottom from that current smashing at it for all these years, HELL NO! I call bullshit, they just went further up/down stream where it's wider and safer/slower current and claimed theyve been to the bottom of the worst partp, the 4 meter comment kind of proves that because that's a hell of a lot deeper than 4 meters even if it's not the 60 meters, I don't think anyone in any scuba gear could control anything in that speed and volume of water. Not unless they had someone on the surface with a winch and a chain to drag them back out, they'd either get sucked under and get stuck or if they were lucky they'd get blasted downstream smashing off all the rocks on the way down(almost certain death either way lol)
This is what I was thinking lmao it’s definitely overblown how do we know no one else has got in and survived? I’ve only actually heard of a couple deaths on the river not 1000s
@@MDM1992 where is your information from though? Just local legends and hearsay about the current being completely deadly it’s possible for the current to be fast and still survive
Thank you for your transparency man! I subscribed to your channel today, RUclips is suggesting your videos left and right!
Appreciate it man thank you for checking the video out means a lot to me!
@@jackasnacks you're on the right track man! Speech is on point, video is well edited, sounds good, with decent and honest info :) one thing that might (my personal guess) have messed up the sonar readings is that the current might have kinda tilted the sonar, so it would be measuring a mix of the length and depth of the river (not sure if a sonar can take this into account or not, it's just my own guess)
@@lucasvp2005 very well put. We need a Strid 2 video to check this theory out. But yes, very good point. Still a very genuine young man sharing his findings in good faith but yes,
The sudden increase in viewers is well deserved. Your attention to the details is pretty thorough, and I've watched a few channels in my day and you make these topics pretty intriguing. Keep up the great work, my friend!
I'm now aware that me thinking underwater footage from the 70s is crazy was actually very wrong of me. I only thought it was impossible due to the reply the diver told me as he said it was back in the 70s so has no footage of it. I thought that meant it wasn't possible to get footage but have clearly been corrected by many people in the comments!
It wasn't impossible, but it would be pretty implausible that even a very serious hobbyist diver in the 70s had an underwater video camera and was willing to bring it into the Strid. It wasn't like today, where you could start shooting professional-grade footage on an iPhone. There *had* been some underwater films at that point (Jacque Cousteau was a household name) but the technology was expensive back then - shooting underwater films in even placid tropical waters was the domain of people wealthy enough they could commission submarines. I'm not sure there even *was* consumer technology for low light underwater videography, and if there was it likely wouldn't have survived the conditions present in the Strid.
You spent 25 minutes trying to get a GoPro out of the place.. Imagine if that GoPro cost as much as a car. You'd never have dreamed of throwing it in. :p
We have a place here in Minnesota sort of like The Strid. I don't know how deep it goes, or how extreme it actually is, but we have a river that drains into Lake Superior called Temperance River. It too has a spot where it transfroms from a wide "safe" river into a sudden gorge. People have thought they were safe wading in the wide part of the river only to be sadly swept away to their death.
These undercurrents are hidden killers aren’t they. When a river looks so beautiful on the surface for a nice wild swim and before you know it there’s not much you can do about the situation you find yourself in!
I just saw it on google maps, and it really does look rather extreme at the point where it suddenly narrows to a very small stream. I wonder how many such places like that there are in the world.
Yeah, having grown up on the Range where there’s some flooded old mines and having also lived in Duluth, I believe it. Lake Superior itself is easily underestimated. It’s “just a lake”….with maps that mark all the known shipwrecks. A healthy fear/respect for nature is a good safety tip in general: you are not stronger than the current, you are not tougher than hypothermia, ticks will find you, bears will find your food, and moose are bigger than you think. And the crows will watch, mocking your poor life choices.
@@Uffda. Yes, the legend lives on from the Chippewa on down of the big lake they call Gitchee-Gumee. Superior, it is said, never gives up her dead. You need to tread with a light foot when you go there.
@@bryack 😆👏👏👏
You just keeping being you and continue doing what you are. Your videos are entertaining and informative, The sonar measurements are interesting and many have commented where inaccurate data could come from. I dived in the 70's and there is no reason why footage would not be available, but obviously photo or cini only, and that gear was expensive at the time
Judging by the narrow areas and the force of the water there are a hell of a lot of areas where no one would consider diving. With surface to diver air supply one can stay down longer and be less encumbered by equipment I imagine. Lets hope some one watching has the sort of robot gear they will let you borrow or watch in operation to get more information.
Well done and carry on, if it never exceeds 10m you are still getting answers about a place with a bit of reputation
I love watching this channel grow so fast congrats bud. Well deserved.
Nice one Danny love that you enjoy checking it out!
That piece of metal you found looks kinda like a meteorite piece. Could be a great find.
I hope you kept the little rock/meteorite. It looked flat on one side which is what I've seen on another vid. The meteorite burns like that as it enters Earth's atmosphere. Anyway, I'm not an expert, but maybe get it checked by a geologist 🤙
That was my guess as well.
Sea monster alien in strid confirmed
It was a 8ft girder 10 minutes ago
@@boldmeregarden637 lol, love this comment!
Test the sonar in other rivers with actual depth markings, and you'll know how accurate the sonar is. I think the 1970 divers are incorrect because I don't think they had equipment to illuminate the bottom, and they may have missed narrow cracks on the sides that went further down.
Other rivers might not have the same aeration level that the Strid does, so you'd have to take the results with a bag full of salt anyway.
Even modern multimillion-dollar Submarines can only see a few feet by LED lighting at The ocean bottom. You did great with a flashlight and GO PRO
It would be interesting to do an experiment to see how aerating water impacts sonar results, and how adding craggy rocks at the bottom of a body of water affects it. Maybe fill a small tank with water and put a few tubes in parallel at the bottom with a bunch of holes drilled into them and air being forced through them, then using the sonar to test how deep it measures compared to the actual height?
Right. I would watch that videi.
Science!
Bubbles show up on sonar as echoes. The problem with the sonar he used is that it displays a simplified view of the sonar data, you need a proper sonar that will show you all the data and someone experienced with that sonar to intemperate what you are seeing.
I am a fishing guide and we use sonar all the time, and you can gather quite a bit of information other than just the depth if you have a good sonar and know how to use it.
I imagine a sonar reading would be way more accurate in a tank than in real depths, just from there being less distance to travel and less "noise" in the way from top to bottom. Could still be interesting though. Side note, I know nothing about this kind of thing, I'm just speculating.
@@EbolaBearr most sonars would go haywire in a tank, they hate small confined spaces, the signal bounces of everything. And most sonars you can buy don't work very well in under 1m of water.
I’m a middle aged guy from the Midwest in the United States. Had never heard of the Strid until I stumbled upon your channel but now I’m hooked. You seem to be a very down to earth, well spoken young man and I think that is part of the draw. Keep up the good work…..I’ll be following (subbed).
Appreciate that Alco thanks for having a look and subscribing
I’ve seen stories of the Strid for a while now. It’s mostly people doing voice overs about the dangers, or the horrors of people losing their life in those waters. You are the only one I’ve seen who has attempted to learn more about the river, To share more than someone else’s story. Dont need to worry about the transparency. You made it very clear that you were trying different things to gather more info on the river. Keep doing what your doing. You didn’t get to nearly 10k subscribers by presenting false information. You got there because we like seeing you try something new. Stay safe out there, and keep up the good work.
I like that you're staying open and transparent as well. this is real science. keep it honest, keep it humble and you will do bloody brilliant. good on ya
Great vid. In terms of the guys who claimed to have scuba dived the strid, a quick Google search shows the question of diving it has been asked in diving forums. All the answers were it's a one way trip, the water carries to much peat so you can't see anything so when trying to surface you could in fact be diving deeper. If you go back to your go-pro underwater footage all those bubbles would change the density of the water so you'd sink, which is why the bodies of people who have died there are found days later further down stream of at all.
Either way keep up the outstanding vids
Right. Jacks previous underwater videos demonstrate the evidence for this. There's is arguably as much air underwater in the form of bubbles as there is water. Absolutely no way you are diving in that i'm sorry. Also the fact these people seemingly did the entire stunt in anonymity and go on to shy away from a video interview kind of says it all.
Now that is excellent work Simon! You did a little research and shared what you found with the class. You could have been like that other guy and the 50 comments on his comment. Nobody looked into it. Just a bunch of speculation and guesses
Awesome for pointing out that views don’t equal knowledge. Purely inspirational watching your videos.
Keep up you’re adventures for us all.
It's around the corner for me and it's a beautiful area.
Love your videos, love the spirit of exploration, and love the transparency. Whatever the actual depth is, you are doing a lot to make a piece of this world more intelligible. Keep up the great work!
What a genuine, wholesome guy! Love the videos Jack, you deserve all the love and support!
The strid is so cool and unexplored. You're making really, really, good content. Keep it up!
I’d have to agree with everyone else man, keep going with the way you structure your vids, feels like how RUclips used to be and it’s refreshing man well done!
your absolute honesty is refreshing! Seriously your style of presenting your way of trying and erring and taking us along with you is very fun to watch.
Hey milligram thanks for that i only just seen this comment now. Working on a new update this weekend hope you get to check it out!
Thank you so much for this video and all your videos! The strid videos were what attracted me, but Wow. What an honest human being you are and produce great channel content.
Agreed. Came for the Strid, stayed for the personality.
@@00poopmonster Me too!!
You can’t scuba dive in the Strid because of all the debris. Imagine the force with which rocks, branches, etc would be shooting through the 2m section.
I was thinking that diving in the 70's would be different on a few levels.
The amount of erosion thats occurred, for starters.
And that they probably dove in a different section, with a slower current.
On a summers day when the rains are low there’s not that much of a current! The water entering it is not vast by any means! You can see in the video it’s quite shallow before it starts and not fast flowing! I know it goes narrow but it’s also deep so the stream is just flipped 90 degrees!
The only time the strid is really dangerous and where people have died is in bad weather when there’s been floods! Any river is dangerous in bad weather!
It’s legend is growing year by year thanks to RUclips and I’m sure it will get more and more dangerous according to the net! But this is a stream where people have jumped in on a nice summers day and lived!
Exactly pravin, there's nobody that's ever dived and survived the actual part of the strid. The rest of it is not as dangerous, only the narrowest parts. They NEVER send drivers into that part, the drivers search down from the Strid, not in it.
Either side of the notorious 2m section the river widens back to its normal size so is swim able. I was the few weeks ago and did indeed see people in the water.
But the area around the 2m part is where the danger lies.
Absolutely agree. Either side of the dangerous part is fine and you do see people in it in the summer.
I’ve been fascinated by the strid for a few years now. I love to see someone local doing some investigations about it. Can’t wait to see more!
Cheers Lunda mroe to come!
I read a story years ago in a magazine about the strid and the place always fascinated me. I live in the US and have been watching videos on the strid for awhile now and I really like your approach on producing videos about the place. Keep up the good work and stay safe.
Dont give up on the depth because someone said so. New subscriber here and love your videos!
As far as the depth of this oddity, go all early tech. Get a heavy, knotted lead-line and drop her in. Measure the spacing of the knots. This is how it was done hundreds of years ago in original 'soundings'.
Ye next time I’m near there I’m gonna make sure to bring some rope and Measure the depth
You might have to account for drift, though. Not sure how fast that water is moving the further down you go. Unless you can make the rope drop straight down without it drifting too far away from your location then the measurements will be skewed.
Yeh 8 lb of lead on a line will do it
Just found you today from your Strid sonar video, and I went and watched several hours of your content. You are great, and I love your journalistic and scientific approach to much of what you do. Don't let people wear you down, and keep doing what you're doing. As long as you love it, your audience will love it too. This is the internet, and there are literally people who show up just to hate. Doesn't matter if your methods are perfect the first time through, if you keep improving, you're doing real science. You are legitimately studying something that very few people have put effort into studying, and that isn't easy when you are doing everything from scratch. There literally isn't even specialized equipment for this. You're doing great. 👍👍
It is also worth noting that you have already disproven some of the nay-sayers to a degree when you dropped your camera down to the bottom. You didn't find a sixty meter hole, but it was certainly deeper than the ten meters that was so dismissively thrown around by supposed divers of the location.
I also just wanted to say that your Strid video caught my attention, but your overall content is what got me to subscribe. Looking forward to seeing more.
Somebody from the 70's could at least have surface pics in dive gear that would lend some credence to their claims...
We're talking about a time most people weren't obsessed with getting their face on a picture for everything they do (or eat). They just went and did and enjoyed.. and then told about it.
Agreed.
There will be circumstantial evidence that lends legitimacy to their claims.
Something like a P.A.D.I. certificate, or equivalent from the era in question.
They could describe some notable topography of the river floor, which could be verified by camera.
I'm sceptical about such claims, based on age alone... Let's assume a young man of 20 years scuba dived the Strid in 1975.
That would make them about 66 years old today. Now if we look at the youtube demographics, a 66 year old man leaving a comment is about as rare as hen's teeth.
Now figure out what the odds are that two of them would be claiming the same story & leaving comments about it.
I personally don't think anyone has ever scuba dived in the narrows of the Strid, but wouldn't doubt that they did in the wide & safer part.
@@kaisersose5549 I'm 59. Not quite 68 thank God but still 59. I'm either an anomaly or we old ones are bucking the trend. I can't remember anyone in my peer group in the 70s having a diving license. I just think it's naysayers but we should have a Strid 2 Sonar run to check previous findings. Signed 'not the demographic'😉
@@anglo-dutchsausage344 my dad has 1000's of slides and color prints from the 60s and 70's... it was the 1900's not the 1800's 😂😁😁😂
@@kaisersose5549 were these comments left on this page or his local paper's page?
You deserve your fame for the information you have brought forth. I, an American, was stationed in Harrogate iñ '86 went to York and Leeds many times but had never heard of the strid. This is what the internet is all about: seeing the incredible, unseen next to you or far away. Thank you very much.
I have a hard time believing that the scuba divers can know the max depth of the strid there is underwater caves and entrances that are hard to find underwater and besides I’m sure the geography underneath the strid has changed a ton since the 70s due to rocks and sediment being carried and moved around by the current rivers are always changing. So I encourage you to keep doing experiments to find the true max depth because honestly no one really knows for sure
As someone whose hobbies put him on spring-fed streams, I figured the conditions of the Strid skewed your sonar results. But whether your findings were accurate is completely irrelevant.
You should be commended for your curiosity, effort to find answers, and, above all, your honesty.
have you thought about measuring the depth the old fashion way? With a really heavy weight tied to a long rope? Lay something over the river (like a ladder) and have the rope go through the center rung of the ladder so that the weight is centered in the middle of the river? I am sure you could work with someone to see if a certain shape of the weight will lessen the force of the current so it will more likely go straight down. You could even attach a camera and light to the rope.
Not sure if my idea is coming through well in the text.
He did put in a go pro on the end of a line in another video
And if it has underground caves then it will be hard to tell if it is a cave or a slope or whatever.
@@stevecarter8810 yes he did, but I think he did that in the shallower areas and his setup was not heavy enough and was not in the middle of the river.
@@alan4657 The extreme current would pull it off true vertical, rendering the measurement irrelevant :/
@@AmatuerHourCoding What about a clamped high tensile steel cable secured to something heavy like a cinder block or 100lb dumbell? Don't think it would stay close enough to center to get a better idea?
I'm glad you're doing these videos. The strid is both mystifying and terrifying to see underwater footage is amazing!
Interesting channel. Really nice to see someone with such an inquisitive mind exploring The Skrid.
Nice to see some good old fashioned integrity. Fascinating place, look forward to seeing more on it.
great video jack keep them coming buddy
Oh man I'm so excited to follow this journey! I've been fascinated by the Strid for a long time, and I've used it as inspiration for one of my world building elements in a story I've been working on for years. Can't wait to learn more!!
When you chuck stuff in I'd suggest making the rear of it more cone shaped to help it not get snagged on stuff when pulling it back up. Guess you gotta go magnet fishing for your magnet now :D
Idk why I like this guy so much but he seems pretty smart and passionate about sharing his research, I’m glad I found the channel
Just get a comically large ruler lol
I love the videos and I feel like your sonar readings could be true although it’s impossible to tell love the honesty and quality
And a comically large magnet to retrieve the other one 🧲
@@Steam_Engenius should we get a back up to that magnet just in case? I think a backup to the backup is a good idea, also just dam the entire river and divert it elsewhere then measure the depth, simple enough
Congrats on your success mate! The strid is amazing and all your content on it is fascinating….keep it up!
My guy out here looking like Carl from the movie Up. (Young version of course)
Please don't beat yourself up on this one Jack - everything you did and reported was done in obvious good faith and it is hugely to your credit how quickly you've shared the possible doubts being aired; particularly refreshing on this platform!
I think your radar or sonar should be attached to something stationary and solid in order to get an accurate reading
I need to setup a Strid team that i can head there with and do lots of tests together as a group and hopefully acheive much more than i can on my own
Pretty sure boats use sonar more than anything else and they are certainly not stationary or considered attached when the only thing they can be attached to is floating around sporadically on waves.. never heard of sonar being inaccurate on boats so can't see why it would be on land.
thank you for standing uo and be honest about the potential uncertainties with the sonar measurement!
thats how the scientific method should work, not just present "facts" but also question our data/measurements.
Love the facepalm asking for footage BUT the Strid is not exactly something new. If someone were ballsy enough to SCUBA dive in it I guarantee they would have taken pictures since it would have been a big deal. They did have cameras in the 70's.
Also, someone smarter than I should be able to figure out at least a rough estimate of the minimum depth required to pass the Wharfe flow rate through based on the average width of the Strid. I doubt there is any way to account for the unknown resistance from boulders and the not straight sides but it would at least give an idea of a minimum depth requirement
Why not believe it's so deep? Look at the width depth and flow before the strid, then imagine it vertically instead of horizontally, water finds a way 🧐
It certainly could still be very deep I don’t want to fully write off my sonar readings. I just wanted to share the bigger picture with everyone so we’re on the same path!
@@jackasnacks I think your sonar was picking up on the caves (where there's probably a lot of bones). Creepy but worth considering.
@@scorpioassmodeusgtx1811 Only problem with that route is depth might not consider caves that extend the width in the undercut sections. Ergo, it’s not 214’ deep and 5’ wide, but, say 45’ deep and 80’ wide (and highly variable). Numbers completely speculative, of course.
@@scorpioassmodeusgtx1811 that won't work, you see even if the Strid was a thousand feet deep in just that section, any flow will keep it filled up. You can't make any calculation from rate of flow up stream that would tell you anything about the depth downstream. He hasn't yet seen my comment I posted about 3 times about him capturing a Stalactite in his last video, but evidence suggests this is a breached cavern with depths significantly lower than the below the strid section. So any flow will keep it full like a reservoir. The above comments about diverting the up stream flow so it can be explored are not taking into account that it'd have water that would still have to be pumped out. lol And given the nature of limestone caverns, there is potential for other subterranean inflows, such as those that formed the cavern over eons and before the river above breached the ceiling.
@@maggiethedruid9010 True, and based on Jack's comments, he is thinking along the lines of sending an underwater drone in there. They already exist on Amazon and costs are coming down. I have been thinking about getting one myself. I viewed the gopro footage and most commenters are making big false assumptions about the currents "bashing divers" against rocks, being deadly, etc. Sure bubbles can be pushed down far near that cataract at the start of it, but the currents, I am very sure, attenuate quickly away from that initial plunge pool, especially given the large under bank volume this current is plunging into. Small bubbles do not correlate to a human body. I expect 2/3 of the deep section are actually not that swift below about 15 feet. I am of course referring to during times of normal or low rainfall / river flow. During flood stage, it would clearly be impossible to explore in any way shape or form.
It takes a lot of strength of character to admit that your own findings can be erroneous. Especially when the new found pressures of RUclips notoriety is added. May you continue to experiment, explore, have fun, and bring us along with you.
A relatively simple way of working out the depth to a very broad ball park figure is to measure the width and average depth up stream where it is shallow and calm, and this will give you a general cross section area of the water. Go to the narrow section of the Strid, measure the width, and divide the area upstream by this width. This will give you a ball park depth ±10m. In simpler terms, up strem in the calm area, you might have a 20m wide, 2m deep stream, but the narrow bit of the Strid might be 2m wide, and therefore would be 20m deep. (Between 10 and 30m.) To use fluid dynamics and volume properly, you would need to make many measurements upstream at different points across the stream, and different depths, to get an average volume of water per second, minute, or hour, then do the same multiple measurements in the actual Strid to work out the volume of water correction. (Fast moving water usually equates to smaller volume.) An even easier way, but likely harder to get all the permits for, is a seismic survey. A whole bunch of surface detectors in a line across either side of the Strid, and a detonation nearby. Also do a line down each side, about one or two metres from the stream centreline, to show any caves and under cuts along the sides. To go completely overboard, wait until mid summer, and get the Grimwith and Barden reservoirs to hold back all water for a day if safe to do so, and install a temporary dam upstream somewhere to greatly lower the water to a level and flow rate safe for divers. LIDAR and sonar scan the whole stretch, then at the end of the day, start releasing the water again. Of course, the more advanced the level of scan data, the more expensive, the more legal issues, the more government departments and exponentially longer red tape needed.
I got so excited when I saw a new strid video.
I think initially it got so popular because of MrBallen, but your videos are really putting it on the map!
I also want to say I really appreciate your honesty and humility. That's so rare among RUclipsrs, who all too often only care about getting more views and subs.
John is how I learned of the strid as well. Jusdug, Moyie springs north Idaho
I watched that video. It showed the maximum to actually be 66 metres and the most common reading to be 65.9 which would be rounded off as 66 metres. I did environmental science at uni, we learned a lot of statistical maths and we would have rounded off 65.9 as 66 rather than 65. Anyway enjoying your videos mate. Btw that piece of rock that came up with the magnet, the one with the orange colouring? I would say it’s some kind of iron ore mineral. Probably Haematite.
I concur on the Haematite possibility, but someone also commented above it cold be a piece of meteorite, which is also possible. Or iron slag.
That is one very Humble bit of Pie.
Keep doing what you are doing, love the down to earth approach, without over hyping just for clicks.
Why not get a 2lb weight and a long rope like what you have and throw where it was 65m and measure it that way? If you get a heavy enough weight(like one downriggers use for fishing) the water current won’t affect it to much?
That could be a fun experiment
Great idea.
Not rope, high strength fishing line so it isn't affected much by the current.
In 2015 a scientist discovered a pocket of low gravity in the village where I grew up and barely there's ever new information about it, so honestly I'm just happy there are updates
Send a tethered sub drone down it, come on!
Yeah I want to do that next just making sure I get the correct sub drone as there are a few different models and they’re fairly expensive
@@jackasnacks we can help fund it. Just keep good accounting
It does you great credit to be so open about the information from the divers and even a 10 metre depth with that sort of flow should be enough to give anyone pause for thought. I look forward to your next venture...and keep taking the safety precautions.
Why can't you build a scaffold over the strid and then drop a telescoping pole down to see how far it goes.
It doesn't go directly straight down
This is what i said the other day, but said use a good chain, rally long of course, and out like 50 pounds of weight on the bottom with the gopro and 2 or 3 big flashlights would cost maybe a few hundred to get and make.. but sure would be cool
Cause it cost crap loads of money require a team of 1/2 doz more likely doz AND PERMITS
@@skie6282 you'd need something like a boat's anchor winch to operate it I think. That's a lot to manage solo. Anyone want to volunteer & help Jack set up this experiment? Reckon we could rustle up a few fit folks, mebbe?
I would take a comment like that with a grain of salt unless it can be proved. Keep up the experiments and I am sure you will be credited as the one who truly solved the mystery!! Glad to be onboard as a subscriber for the journey!
Yeah I'm famous. I'm the bloke in blue 😁😁😁
Haha! Did you know who I was whilst I was there? You should of shouted over! I maybe just looked busy at the time lol
You were busy flying your drone. My daughter and me both recognised you but left you to concentrate on flying. 😁
Thank you for knocking out one of the last wonders of the world. Who would of thought that humans would know the depth of the ocean before they knew the depth of the strid? I cannot believe that there has not been credible research of the strid being how famous it is. I was awestruck at the fact that it seems that you are one of the first to document the strid.
May have caught a meteorite fragment there!
No matter the depth your videos gave me a deeper understanding of the strid, thanks mate.
To the one person who disliked.
Personally from all of us.
Pound sand.
Better yet, go take a swim in the Strid.
I appreciate your no Bull-Sh** approach and transparency. I hope the Divers get back to you. it's important we share our knowledge with the people.
cmon jack
Sorry video should be live now I had some weird upload thing going on!
This channel is why RUclips was created...
Keep up the good work!
My son and I used to find these small magnetic “rocks “everywhere. It turns out they are very small meteorites and apparently they’re everywhere. Good luck with your future projects.
You're brilliant and have a sort of passion for nature that is just so great to see.
right im deffo last 3rd
Always was :-)
With so much belligerence and willful ignorance in the world its such a relief to witness moments from the life of a seemingly well put together and reasonable human being. We are all just trying to make it and make life interesting. I wish you the best and I really enjoy learning more about the Strid and its mysteries. I heard about the Strid when I was little from a story my dad told me. It always mystified me. Thank you
I've been fascinated with the Strid ever since I first heard about it. I think it's funny when people comment about diverting the river up stream so as to drain the Strid and observe what's down there - in what instance would this ever be warranted by the local authorities, government agencies or any other bodies? - other than it being of interest to individuals who have no means and no permission to ever carry out such a monumental task, there is no "requirement" for this... As far as depth is concerned, the Strid is a slot canyon and my guess is it's closer to Jack's sonar test results than these 10 meter claims. There is no official figures but the stretch could be aerially Geo-fised, could it not? My guess is that it could but never has been officially because there is no reason for it... We all want to know the mysteries held in this sacred stretch of the river Wharf, myself included.
I don't believe it's simply a slot canyon. I just emailed him with time stamp because in his last video he captured what looks very much to me like a possibly large and ancient Stalactite. This would probably be the first video evidence helping to explain the peculiar hydrogeology of the Strid. It's looking more likely to me that the Strid is due to a breached cavern having been inundated by the river which eroded through the cavern's limestone ceiling from above.
Body recovery, historical relevance, marine? biological relevance, data for future potential recovery etc
Not first. hehe
Great video mate, cant wait for you to take us all up there :) 8k subs already too! dont forget us when you're famous
I’m going to pray that the Lord gives you the strength and wisdom to correctly handle your newfound celebrity in a way that you may remain morally true and non corrupt
satan be with you
so in other words you are not doing anything .
If your ‘really, truly benevolent god’ really existed, he wouldn’t allow such terrible things to happen. Would he? Ask my sister who passed away aged 24 leaving two small children motherless.
I'm an atheist but I try not to let on because I don't want to be lumped in the same group as you guys, don't understand metaphor, have no manners... I'd rather take tea with the vicar than be associated with this kind of behaviour
@@stevecarter8810 But you don't go out of your way to tell us right ? maybe grow some balls
Canadian here completely fascinated! We have remote areas like this on our large landmass. You have the benefit of ease of access. Bravo
First after first hahaha
the first five minutes of this video is probably the most important video thats ever been posted on the internet, cheers bro
I'm enjoying your explorations, and the sense of humor in the comments is priceless.
So enjoyable discovering the strid with everyone 🙂