Villains: Buffy 6x20 Reaction
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- Villains: Buffy 6x20 Reaction
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"Bored now" is a great callback. It's what vamp willow said in her eps
Angel tried to warn her
@@SheogorathAL Tara saw her power when they first met.
Also, when Willow is herself she says: "I am so bored." But when she's vamp Willow she says: "Bored now." Awesome little detail.
Yeah, Warren was firing multiple shots without looking after shooting Buffy. It was just a stray bullet that hit Tara
Yep. You can see it shooting up.
@@proy14 But realistically the bullet would not have taken that trajectory. It was going upwards. Sure it could have still hit Tara in the heart if she was standing in right the perfect spot but the bullet would have hit the ceiling and not sprayed so much on Willow.
@@artman2oo3 Yeah... I've watched this episode a lot. She's next the window, he shoot in that direction... I think it's legit. I still cry my eyes out every times anyway.
@@artman2oo3The bullet did go to the ceiling. But spray from a shot doesn't follow the line of the bullet. It bursts out on its own trajectory, and with less force.
Why the heck you are you guys applying blood spray analysis to a show is baffling. Script says tara shot, blood sprays on willow. Let yourselves feel the heartbreak.
It's interesting that the one villain who has arguably caused the deepest wound to the Scoobies wasn't an ancient vampire or powerful magician or mad god, but a single human being who wasn't even shooting at the person he killed. It took me about a year to accept that this actually worked within the context of the larger themes of the show, so I absolutely get your reaction here.
Absolutely. The show distinguishes between fantasy deaths, which happen to people we don't care about, and real-life deaths, of the most loved characters like Joyce and Tara, which occur by ordinary means.
@@seanmcmurphy4744 It's almost like death by some monster would be trivializing them.
@@ErisRising True
I mean since the beginning Buffy had real life tragedy. Absentee father, single mom, teen angst, virginity, abse, eating disorder, SA, schl shtngz, scdal thoughts. etc. It either happened to her, her friends or someone at school
I mean it's really the point of the trio tho
Lots of people hate them and complain that they're lame compared to the other big bads ... but the fact they made so much damage while being just stupid normal human guys really shows how dangerous people are..
Also the fact that so many dangerous creatures or demons or vampires failed to kill Buffy but a normal guy just finally had the idea of using A GUN and basically would've killed Buffy if it wasn't for Willow is hilarious ( Like literally Glory a GODDESS did less damage to Buffy than Warren and his gun lol )
It's Dark Willow's slow, calm, quiet voice that always gets me. Not for a million pounds could I have guessed that the sweet lovely geek of the early seasons could ever be this.
I like the way the show distinguishes between fantasy deaths and real-life deaths. We’ve seen many people we don’t care about killed by demons or other supernatural means. But the two most innocent loved main characters who die are killed by mundane means: a tumor and a gun. The Trio have been characterized from the beginning as ineffectual nerds, comic relief who we don’t need to worry about. The last episode drives home the point that in America the most insignificant adolescent man-baby, with a gun, can in an instant destroy a life and cause permanent life-long trauma to all those who loved her.
The fact you instantly thought about Dawn finding Tara shows you are a really caring person.
💜💜💜
It’s actually crazy that none of the Scoobies thought to call Dawn. She desperately needed a real adult to be there for her and barely got it.
@@daphneglasurus7886 To be fair, at what point could that have happened?
I do love the “fade to white” when Dawn finds Tara; simple cinematography can be so much better than a full scene.
One of my favorite lines is when Rack tells Warren that the Slayer is the least of his concerns. Warren replies, “Oh, you’re right. I’m sorry. Let’s talk about my skin troubles!”
me too! hahaha
Darth Rosenberg is in the house!
Someone should have given Willow a Snickers. She's not herself when she's hungry.
9:27 No, it was two different bullets.
Yep. As a matter of fact, Willow go fetch the bullet into Buffy's body. That would be impossible if it were the same bullet.
I understand your reaction completely and I really like your honesty. Season 6 of Buffy is my favorite and one of my favorite TV seasons of any show, but it's also a very hard watch because of the all-consuming darkness. I think the writers wanted to explore the very depths of nihilism and despair. What makes Tara's death so heartbreaking and honestly traumatizing is that she was about the purest, kindest being imaginable and to have her life being snuffed out like that while Warren gets to stay is just a bitter pill to swallow; it speaks to a big sense of injustice in the cosmos that we can feel in our guts. And of course, to see Willow, a character so beloved get swallowed in so much darkness is all harrowing. I just love season 6 for addressing so uncompromisingly this darkness and I think it ends magnificently.
I really like Clem. He's a nice breathe of fresh air, tossing in a bit of comedy to go with the darkness of season 6.
Could see myself being buddies with Clem.
Tara had to be killed by Warren, a human. Otherwise, it would be a supernatural death, and Willow could resurrect her. It is the theme of season 6, that it is the every-day struggles of life which are the team's undoing. Therefore, Willow becoming the season's big bad is fitting.
"Budget Quidditch" LMFAOO
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"I didn't wanna leave her alone!" Dawn is so brave and loveful. People tends to see only an annoying teenager, overlooking or ignoring moments of her progress like this or when she was willing to sacrifice herself in 5x22. I'm happy that two decades later the resonance has shifted - not at least thanks to the reactors here on RUclips. Seems like the show was (once more) ahead of it's time.
Said so much in other comments about Tara, so just a short sentence: I'll allways love her and in the onscreen reunion in my mind she is back, with Willow, their daughter (magical supported biology could be so helpful), Oz and his and Willows son, in another 'unconventional' relationship.
The Tara-Willow-Oz triad couldn't be done then, the studio barely accepted the lesbian relationship. But Willow has so much need, and both Tara and Oz put Willow's happiness first - if Oz could control his jealousy along with his wolf, it could have worked. Two powerful witches with a werewolf for muscle and cunning... I'd totally watch that show. I think Tara and Oz would have become good friends.
@@ernesthakey3396
they certainly bonded over their imagined "true" feelings about willow in willow's nightmare in _restless_
@@sirmoonslosthismind LOL Restless was a great episode with some nice foreshadowing...but I'm not sure any of the nightmares properly represented the true thoughts of the characters not having the nightmare... 🤣
Pretty sure neither Willow nor Tara ever considered inviting Xander to join them like he dreamed they might, before he ended up back in his basement, and I'm pretty sure Anya wouldn't have been all "sure, go have fun" about the idea either.
Xander's mind is a scary place, just saying. But then, they all have issues...
@@ernesthakey3396 I know and i'm glad they didn't do it right away. My version bases on the new moon dialog, where Willow talked to Oz about blue hair in Istanbul, that she won't be surprised if she meets him there. That should take place at least one decade after the end of Sunnydale.
@@CvSp22 yeah. I couldn't really get into the comics, it isn't my media of choice, though I hear they are pretty extensive. A longer term development of that relationship makes sense though, and the comics could be the place to do it.
it's funny that the actor who plays Warren was dating the actor who plays Tara in real life.
They've remained friends even after they broke up. Danny Strong(Warren) has supported the women on the show in their claims of on set verbal abuse against Whedon.
@@kevinnelson66 Danny Strong played Jonathan. Adam Busch played Warren.
“I think I know what’s gonna happen based on the comments I read”
Y’all fcking talk too much. People are able to put shit together even if you don’t say it directly. I’m so over it why does this have to happen with EVERY reactor?
I think the way you're feeling is completely justified and perfectly understandable. For me personally, I love it when a story can hurt me like this - it sounds masochistic but you don't hurt unless you care, so for a show to be this effective at hurting you it means that it was equally effective at making you care first.
I think it's the mark of a great story to have this kind of impact.
Aye. Most shows I just don’t care about the characters or the story. Buffy is not one of those. It’s such a well written and performed show.
Rack is so scary because he seems to be rooting for Evil. At least that was my read of that scene.
I think season 6 is excellent, but it often hurts to watch. I think it was genius going from a god as villain in s.5 to these human villains and misfits who manage to pretty much tear the Scooby gang apart. Really the best possible "reset." Instead of saying "Well, they faced a god. Let's make it THREE gods next year!" they opted for human evil, and it works great. painful, but great.
Warren fired several shots. The unaimed one as he ran away is the one that killed Tara.
Willow was always at risk of going off the deep end with her magic use. But losing Tara drove her to the extreme in an instant.
The bullet that hit Buffy wasn't the one that killed Tara. The one that hit Tara was one of the stray ones that Warren shot off as he ran off.
Also, apparently Whedon has said that 1)he intended to kill off Tara in an earlier season 2)he would have killed off whoever Willow's love interest was at the time and it happened to be Tara.
It was actually going to be Oz, but he left far earlier than expected, the plan was to have him as a regular for several seasons
Years later, Amber said in an interview that at the end of season 5 they let her know Tara was being killed off in season 6. Unfortunately, TPTB framed it to her something like, "Great news, we're getting rid of Tara and letting you go so Willow can have this great story arc." Alyson was doing the interview with her and looked absolutely horrified to find this out.
@@vannthybun2546 Oh so the qay arc for Willow was just a storyline created becuz Seth Green (OZ) left the show for Austin Powers?
@@JoshuaMartian-go3tm not entirely, because they could just as easily have just had her met a new boy. Joss had from the beginning planned that either Willow or Xander would be gay but the network put a big no to it so when Oz left that opened the door for Joss to continue on the original plan.
@@Henrik_Holst Ok, gotcha. Very interesting. It's always cool to hear inside baseball info on the writers' original intentions verses how it turned out. Thanks!
“Bored now.”
The callback to Vampire Willow is deeply satisfying.
Fun fact: Buffy as a series was heavily based on the X-Men (Buffy herself is based on Kitty Pryde and named after Scott Summers).
Willow was based on Jean Grey, and this is Buffy’s adaptation of the “Dark Phoenix” saga.
My mother had a theory from the moment she watched The Wish that by the end of the series everything from the Wish universe would have happened in some form. Dark Willow using the same phrase as Vamp Willow was one of several things that she pointed out to demonstrate that she was right.
That’s funny. While I’ve never heard about the X-men inspiration(not disagreeing, just unaware), there has been some in the other direction(which I guess makes even more sense if Buffy drew anything from X-men first). There’s a scene of Rogue and Kitty dancing in the X-men Evolution series(clips are on RUclips) that used the scene of Buffy and Faith dancing at the Bronze for motion capture/inspiration(It’s instantly recognizable if you’ve watched Buffy before).
@@coffeeveinsCorrect! It’s from the episode “Spyke-Cam” I believe.
They rotoscoped the Buffy/Faith dance from season 3’s episode “Bad Girls.”
It’s a full-circle moment. About 75% of Buffy is based on X-Men, and X-Men in turn, took inspiration from Buffy.
Rogue and X23 seemed to be modelled on Faith, especially.
I would love to list all the crossover/backstory behind the X-Men characters, stories and lore, and what elements of Buffy, its storylines and characters adapt or reference, but I don’t wanna spoil anything for season 7.
I don't doubt that at all. All movie/tv show writers grew up sci fi/ superhero fans so they all read the same stuff and inspired by the same stuff.
Summers wasn't from Scott of the X-Men... that was from Jaime Sommers, The Bionic Woman. But yeah, Dark Willow is a major nod to Dark Phoenix.
The eye rolls at the end when warren was talking! :D :D :D
You think the bullet went through Buffy and into Tara, after Willow dug the bullet out of Buffy?
Give her a break, she knows nothing about guns. They're very illegal to own in the UK.
The magic bullet the killed jfk said "hold my beer"
Bellieve it or not, those of us in the UK can learn a fair bit about guns; but I was referring to her lack of attention... or selective memory of how the previous episode ended, for which I would hardly blame her.
Amber Benson didn't want to be a regular, not being in the titles was no disrespect to her ❤
I almost rage quit the show after 619. I was so angry, i continued eventually but it didn't feel the same afterwards for me. So i can definitely relate to your feelings.
Two things here the witchcraft is a metaphor for drugs. And you can relapses with addiction and having the death of a loved one or some trauma is a great trigger for that.
But there’s also another reason for not just Tara’s death but that Warren was the right person to kill her; it’s the theme of this season of the horrors and death from humans can be just as bad or worse than just demons or the supernatural. This season moved away from the dangers of fantasy and demons to more real life pain and adversity, this is the group going through adulthood.
Former roommate of mine started drinking again after being sober for several years when his grandfather passed away.
Glad you’re being honest about your take no matter what!
I hope you’re able to enjoy the show again soon.
Joss wanted to put Jesse in the titles back in the pilot only to kill him off as a surprise, but the network refused because of the cost. He kept the idea and used it with Tara.
My favorite arc of S6.
Willow's now a murderer.
Is it murder if it was justified?
@@JLDReactions Yes. She wasn't self defending. She had him tied up, mouth sewn shut, and tore off his skin. Knowing he's scum and wishing this on him, and actually doing it to him are two different things. No one caring he's dead doesn't justify the end means. Willow cannot escape justice on this one just because she used magic. A human is still dead without the law being on her side. That is why Willow vanished his body. No body, no crime. Warren himself being a murderer makes her issues towards him understandable, but doesn't make her actions right. That's the whole point of why her friends have the look on their faces after they failed to stop her and why Buffy was trying to stop her to begin with.
@@JLDReactions It wasn't justified. It was revenge. Never liked how they didn't really address that she murdered someone. You got a little bit in Killer in Me but that's really brushed over. There are no consequences to her actions
@@alexh8613 that is not entirely true, there is both "Same Time, Same Place" and "The Killer in Me". Two whole episodes dedicated to consequences of her actions and that is 2 more than most other shows ever done.
@@Henrik_Holst I'll have to go watch Same Time, Same Place again. What in that episode had to do with Warren. Her guilt in that episode had to do with her trying to destroy the world.
In the Killer in Me, Amy actually brings up that Willow never faced any real consequences for any of her actions and she's right. Then at the end Willow actually says that she didn't turn into Warren because she felt guilty about killing him. She turned into Warren because Warren is the one that killed Tara. When she kissed Kennedy, Willow forgot just for a moment about grieving for Tara and therefore let her die. Willow never faces any consequences for killing Warren
It wasn't the same bullet that hit Buffy also hit Tara. After he shot Buffy, he started running and shot another couple times, one of them went up into the air, tru Buffys old bedroom window and hit Tara. The bullet that hit Buffy is still in her chest when willow goes to the hospital and she takes it out, then uses that bullet to torture warren. Just said I'd clear that up at least
This episode is great. The hunt, the end, her pain, perfect. By the way, i like your shirt.
You appreciate season 6 once you have seen the whole show and understand that their journey had to happen this way for them to grow up. That's after all the underlying theme of the whole show: growing up.
nobody would be upset about that reaction we all felt the same watching this the first time.
In reactions to episode arcs like this one, I often have trouble knowing whether the reactor is angry from the story itself ... the thing that happened ... or at the show itself and its writers for writing those things. If the traumatic plot turn results in the viewer not liking the show for awhile, I suppose that has to count as some kind of failure on the part of the writers. On the other hand, part of their job is to elicit intense emotions, even negative ones.
I do think that during the time when this episode came out, TV writers specifically were in a phase where they were very deliberately trying to make shows more emotionally intense -- partly because historically so much TV writing had previously been stale and superficial. Now I think there is a bit more awareness that it's possible for TV writing to be TOO traumatic, to the point where it turns at least some viewers off. But in the early '00s, cranking the feels up to 11 was still mostly seen as a good thing if you could manage it.
I think the landscape of tv and the landscape of tv culture was way different back then. We were more novice, less aware of cliches, tropes and overused plot devices, everything felt more original. Now people have more of this type of knowledge, and, for Dakara at least, made Tara's death feels cheapened. I think is a totally valid feeling, let's see how she will felt after the season end.
@@titoluizpereira6281 This is a great point. My hope is that Dakara's interest in "Dark Willow" will mostly win out, unless that itself ends up being a grave disappointment. But I haven't yet encountered a Buffy fan who felt betrayed or manipulated by Willow going dark. They did too good of a job making that turn the natural result of a long series of choices and tendencies in Willow that never felt out of character. It was much better handled than the heroine "heel turn" at the end of a certain mega-hit fantasy show based on a beloved and not yet completed series of books. There were warning signs for THAT character too, but not enough of them and too often justified within the story.
@@apulrangYeah, they needed at least two more seasons to have that character arc actually make sense.
Tara's death was originally planned to be Oz but he left the show before they could set it up properly
This was one of my favorite episodes in the series.
He's scary....Hell yes, he was also the council's vampire with Joyce and polaroids from season?
Your upset is understandable but the direction this episode goes is literally the direction it had to go They show us Willow has lost all control and sense when it comes to magic and slowly the divide between Tara and Willow is painfully shown. Whedon had already had this plot planned by Season 5 because he realized they had to do something to bring stakes to the show. Season 5 had a god so they had to turn to something close at home and that went naturally with the course Willow was being written. Yes Willow goes into rehab but having moments of overcoming the urge to use magic (when trapped by Dawn's wish and with turning away Amy) was not overcoming the addiction. The addiction remains and when the difficulty is too much Willow breaks. Meanwhile the Trio are just jokes really throughout much of it. They are a menace but minor (until Normal Again which is a whole other aspect in the show and what actually is the actual reality for Buffy). But when they ultimately fail ,Warren shows his true nature. Warren trying to murder the Slayer with a gun is where he was always heading. When feeling powerless he lashes out, like with killing his ex-girlfriend. It was ultimately important to have the mundane be the cause of Willow's fall because it had to be something that magic couldn't solve because of her being so consumed with magic. To truly heal she had to confront the truth of her powers and the damage they were doing. And the sad reality is, death happens. Terrible things happen. There are no good reasons for why. Just like with Joyce and here with Tara. It's painful and it has to be felt.
much like the real life struggles that intrude on Buffy`s life in season 6, these toxic members of society that we think are just an annoyance at the beginning of the season are shown to be the real problem. usual people shrug them off because they dont have real superpowers, thinking they´re just harmless jerks until some act of violence where you realize how destructive these kinds of people can be in real life...more than a demon
I watched Season 6 when I was in my very early 20s and hated it. I could barely watch past the halfway point of the season. It hurt too much, and it was difficult to get through. I may have fallen into the school of thought that the season is terrible, but now in my late 30s, I've come to see it's not that the season was written badly, but the Big Bad of Season 6 is Life. The hardest thing in this world is to live in it. Growing up hurts. Bad. And as difficult to think back, or rewatch, if you will; in the end, these trials are what made make us stronger.
Saw this episode in highschool. In a desperate 3am attempt to study for my physics final, I did attempt to absorb the information straight from the book, Willow style. For a second or two. 😂
Willow, the Misogynist Flayer.
A Rednex AND Alex Mack reference? It's like the 90s came calling!
showing my age
@@DakaraJayne Aren't we all?
I find the season 6 and the end of the season very good. You said it yourself: Willow showed her strenght. So it needed something awful to put her over the edge. In most shows such a trigger moment is stated but not shown. In Buffy they showed us how much Tara mend to Willow, they just didn't only stated it. Therefore the impact was only stronger. And it is good, that it was something such mondane as a bullet. The show disregarded guns many times and Warren only could get to Buffy with something mondane like a gun.
I do enjoy how they make Warren so loathsome that most folks are initially on Dawn/Willow/Xanders side at the point that argument against Buffy is happening (and hats off to Adam Busch for playing him so well imo) but then when Willow really gets started, they start to go "hmm, this probably isn't a healthy place to be" and usually come back round to Buffy's side by the end, even if they'd be fine with Warren dying some other way still. If she or other people she works with start getting ideas about it being their right to choose who gets to live or die, outside of demons (which, even that feels morally tricky given what we've seen of demons in Angel or Clem)
It is a sticky moral slope as well, like Faith killed way more people than Warren did, we see her kill a whole lot of people, like the random innocent volcanologist who gets a knock on his door at night and gets murdered by her for his books, she tortured people like Wesley, among others, tried to assault and almost killed Xander etc but I don't think anyone would say she deserved to be tortured to death before she started trying to make amends in Angel Season 1. Same with a lot of the lawyers in Angel, human "monsters" do make things morally tough for the characters.
At the beginning of this season you were warned,by your fans , that it was able to be much darker than previous seasons due to the new network.
This is what they meant.
Also the last 3 episodes of this season are 1 long episode divided up , and should be watched in that way, it only makes sense at the end.
I felt like that, too. Willow has just disappeared. It's like there is no trace of her left and that is very hard to see. But push through. It'll be rough, but worth it.
I know it's horrible to say but Filet O Warren was a tiny bit satisfying. 😅Reminiscent of Ramsay and Joffrey. 😜 I know Tara's death is hard on u but it can only take losing her to take Willow to that dark place. Willow needed to lose not just her love but herself. With the drg analogy with Amy, Willow still had Tara and that hope so Willow didn't lose herself yet. Willow's dark potential was really teased way back when she first met Tara.
I think Dakara went through the 5 stages of grief right in front of us
Many fans struggled getting through season 6 on first watch but as time goes on you begin to appreciate it. But it is a very divisive season overall due to how dark and depressing it gets.
Hang in there!!!
"I didn't want to leave her alone."
This is so much sadder when you realise that Dawn basically went through the same thing that Buffy went through in "The Body", and that she essentially lost two mamas in the same year 😢😢💔💔
Three deaths occurred in the Summers house. Joyce, Tara, and technically "Ted"(John Ritter). Ted was a one episode and done back in season 2.
Jeez, what's why i love Buffy so much. It has great, interesting and sometimes unexpected character developments. We already had two secondary characters whose become villains (Angel and Faith) but here it's literally second main character after Buffy becomes a big bad!
Also, kinda hot take but I think Warren and Dark Willow duo > Glory as big bads.
Also, it is important to remember that the villian(s) that have done the most damage are not soulless demons, they are just evil humans...with their souls intact. They are far more evil than any vampire because of that.
As... bad as it is for Willow to descent into darkness... it's also so glorious at the same time!!!
"Henceforth You Shall be know as Darth Willow!" Sith Theme song 🎵🌋🤘
And then The Imperial March(Darth Vader's Theme).
We're right there with you.
Unfortunatel in my country(Turkiye) almost every month i watch news about some shooting ends up with bullets going through civilian houses through windows and sometimes even little kids fie because of it
About the bullet, Warren shot more than once
Alyson did such a good job as Dark Willow. Like you said, it's more than just the black clothes and hair. As much as I wanted Willow to stop before she crossed that line into true darkness, it's hard to feel bad for Warren. He destroyed so much with his ridiculous little fantasy of being a "supervillain". Too bad he crossed someone who was bigger and badder.
NOT, the same bullet, he fired a few when he ran out, one of those struck Tara
the ending of that episode is still shocking
As much as I love tara and I’m still angry about her death and the way it happened, I am glad we got this storyline with willow. I don’t think we could have gotten it any other way and I genuinely enjoyed them exploring this side of her.
Also, although someone can be in recovery from addiction that does not stop them from being an addict who is capable of having a relapse. addicts will always be addicts and often times major events (like someone dying) are what causes them to relapse so I think it’s a realistic portrayal of someone who has hit rock bottom and decided they have nothing left to lose.
Nothing short of killing someone Willow loved would have caused the grief needed to trigger Dark Willow. The series creators had only 3 choices.
1. Xander. Her oldest friend and first crush. Someone _she_ cares about deeply. But not someone the audience loves nearly as much. The emotional impact on the fans wouldn't be on the same level as it was with Tara.
2. Buffy. Her best friend. Someone both Willow and the audience love. And it would have made a powerful ending to the series. But Buffy already had a death last season. A repeat performance of her dying and then somehow coming back *again* for season 7 would have felt repetitive and forced.
3. Tara. The girlfriend. The person she loves most, and someone who is a fan favorite. She has the emotional punch for Willow and fans, and she doesn't feel like a reused plot. And she can stay dead, giving it more meaning.
So I hate it, but I get it. Tara's my favorite character, and Tillow is my favorite canon ship, so the end of S6 hurts so much. I've literally written fanfictions just to keep Tara alive. But I get it. There was just no other way to do it.
I wonder if you're dissociating a bit? The assault from Spike combined with Tara's death definitely hits really hard, and your awareness that it's the show that hurt you maybe is making you put up some guards against responding to the show right now.
I guess you already went through the series at this point, but hopefully you were able to take a bit of a break to process after the next one.
Hang in there! It's hard to watch, and tough, and dark... but it's part of the beauty of this show ;)
Joss had wanted to have an actor in the credits, only to promptly kill them off, as far back as the first episode; as he wanted people to see that and be like, "Oh, they're a regular, they must be safe," then _wham.) They're dead.
They couldn't afford to do that for the first episode, being a new show, and they didn't have much of a budget. They used that as an excuse for killing off Doyle, that it was "always part of the plan, to set the stakes." But here Joss finally got to fulfill his sadistic wish.
Not everything has to feel good hon. This touched on adult themes and I for one appreciated every damn bit of it. Sorry. Oh and would it piss you off even more to know the bloke playing Adam ended up becoming ‘Tara’s’ boyfriend.
To be clear, actors Adam Busch and Amber Benson dated. It's so weird to think about, but really it just shows Adam's skill as an actor. He made Warren so completely despicable that most fans are glad to see his skin ripped off, but obviously he was totally different from his character in real life.
I believe you mean ‘the bloke playing Warren.’
Whedon put Amber in the credits right before she leaves the show because he wanted her to get more royalties in the future, meaning today. Amber Benson didn't care much back then.
The bullet that hits Buffy is not the same bullet that kills Tara. Warren fired several shots. The initial shot hits Buffy as she pushes Xander out of the way. As Warren runs off he fires stray shots into the air, and one of those stray bullets zooms through the upstairs window and fatally hits Tara.
Season 6 is my favorite, and I loved this Dark Williw story arc for Alyson. She got to be a main story and be as badass as she wanted.
(I still need to buy a Dark Willow Funko Pop)
The Trio story arc was strategically supposed to be boring and annoying in order to drop the other shoe, to make them real villains.
Warren was the main one who was the predator, looking for little nerds that everyone either ignored or picked on.
From the jump he was toxic but the writers were clever to let it slip out, little by little.
It started with Katrina
After Seeing Red there is only one way the last three can go in the Season. It had been intimated all through this Season that even though Willow had sought help and was trying to curb her addiction, anything could set it off. Well her witnessing Tara's death is the catalyst for ultimate revenge and mayhem. It's now very much in the realm of Liam Neeson in Sam Raimi's brilliant film Darkman where relentless devastating revenge is sought on all who wronged him. Willow is now all powerful, and we feel will be unstoppable. Great scene in the bar when Warren tells them all he killed the slayer, and they tell him she is still alive. Little does he know it's not Buffy he has to fear. Once Rack has informed Warren that he can sense the power of the new Dark Force in the witch we know Warren will be doomed. Willow is now without any feeling or empathy, even when she draws the bullet from Buffy there is no emotion or feeling. Warren thinks he can fool Willow with Robot Warren, but when Buffy and Xander plea with Willow she says' I'm not coming back', she will get her retribution. A brilliant scene with Dawn too when she says to Buffy 'I'd do it myself if I could' as young girl and human, she has has that emotion and hatred towards Warren, a natural reaction many would feel. Xander makes a good point here in that you don't have to be a Vampire or Demon to be pure evil, saying Warren is as bad as any human 'sent to Dustville'. We see Spike seeking a similar way to Angel in 'The Trial' episode from the Angel Show, where is he seeking restoration by completing ultimate dangerous tests, but the restoration of what? The final scene of Willow placing the bullet into Warren and sealing his lips is amazing. Still we feel hatred towards him as he is still showing no remorse, a truly detestable character worse than any Demon. As Buffy, Xander and Anya witness the skinning alive of Warren they are horrified. Willow says to them 'one down' there really are 'Two To Go'. A brilliant S6 episode.
Im all the way with Willow on killing Woren. I always get an evil smile on my face when i watch this episode.
I LOVE that t-shirt! Oh my gosh I need to buy that so badly; where is it from?
A lovely viewer sent me it so I’m not quite sure. I’m sure Redbubble or the like will have it 💜
Awesome shirt!
I promise it's worth watching the rest of the season, though, it's surprisingly fun.
New sub here, I stumbled across your reaction to once more with feeling and carried on from there but I will be going back to watch from the start. Just a heads up without spoilers, seeing how you've reacted to the past few episodes, season 7 is VERY dark as well. You should prepare yourself beforehand. Can't wait for the next one!
Welcome! Hope you enjoy the reactions. Buffy has genuinely been one of the BEST shows I have ever watched. Loved it so much and hopefully that comes across in my videos, even if I do seem upset a lot haha
Get where you're coming from, and don't let 'em keep you from giving your real reviews & opinions; but consider.
For one, the thing I love about season 6 is that it swings for the fences. Has the best setup for the last episodes in the run of the show, even if the season finale isn't my favourite. Has the best latter half reveal of the season big bad, Willow; better than Angel's turn, better than Faith's.
On Amber Benson, if an actor, what better way to leave a horror show than your character dying horribly? & I've always seen the opening credit thing as a tip of the hat to how good a supporting character she was. I mean, every episode had to look like the zeppo prom her viewpoint.
Finally, and no spoilers, since I don't know how far ahead you are; remember how you feel about Spike right here. . .and compare it to the same this point season 7. Where a large part of the Fandom winds up might surprise you.
Ever since the beginning Joss wanted to have a character in the opening sequence and then kill them off. That was Jesse in the first episodes. But he was denied because it wasn’t in the budget to make two different versions of the credits for the first season. But he finally got to do that with Tara. Anyway, this isn’t a spoiler because it didn’t happen, but there was actually an idea of Buffy doing something the next season to get Tara resurrected and it was gonna be a big surprise for Willow, but it didn’t come to fruition. That plot idea was scrapped. You’re probably in reality well past these episodes so you probably already know by now how worth it it is to continue to at least the rest of this season. SO WORTH IT.
If anyone deserved a good flaying it was that misogynistic Warren. I loved it, the first time I saw it.
Yes Tara dying is the driving force to get a grief stricken Willow to go dark in this storyline. But come on, I think you could have also could have achieved the same thing if the bullet,say, severely injured instead of killing her, maybe she could have been on life support and at least she'd still be alive! Remember how we saw black eyed Willow go after Glory after she had brain sucked and injured her hand? She immediately went all paybacky! So doing something worse without a death sentence for sweet Tara, I would totally find that acceptable.
She gets more money based on guild rules if shes listed as a main character instead of a guest star. It wasnt changed to troll viewers. It was to give her a bonus upon her departure.
Says who? Joss?
@tananario23 No the actors guild they all have to be a part of if they want to get work and benefits.
Fun fact: Adam Busch, who play Warren, have been in couple with Amber Benson for a couple of years after that.
So what? People keep bringing it up. Why? To justify murdering off Tara? You think the actor’s personal lives make it ok?
@@tananario23 No, it's just because it's a fun coincidence.
These last few episodes of S6 are some of the most controversial in the entire run of Buffy - I'm sorry you feel so awful about it - it just shows how much you care for the characters! I think the death of Tara hits different for folks who have literal years of watching the trope of "killing gay characters for drama." At the time it wasn't yet a trope (there just weren't that many gay characters on TV yet), but still devastating. Something I do think this episode does well is it builds up the viewer's desire to see Warren die.. We're so angry about Tara that we're rooting for Willow to kill him, until she does. The way she kills him is so brutal and shocking that we finally understand why Buffy is fighting so hard to keep Willow from destroying herself by killing another human being. Its a powerful statement about the consequences of revenge.
Alex Mack? I loved that series as a kid
I don't know anyone who "enjoyed" the end of Season 6. It was a lot of soul searching and I'm not sure that even now I'm anything other than unsettled by it all, although I've sort of come to terms over time. But Buffy was the first show that really made me grieve, and so I totally understand your reaction. It's a hard watch at this point in the show.
Its actually the second time the show presents a problem, pretend its solved only to come back as a surprise death. Joyce opperation was success and Willow was doing fine with her addiction arc. The thing is that this second time feels worse than the first, it undermines willows arc and taras relevance. I did enjoy this arc a lot though, and dark willow was something comming since season 2 finale. But I tottaly get what you are feeling abou this. Warren to me is in a way the best villain in the show cause he is too real and awful, its not the charismatic villains we had
How did it get onto the news that a girl was shot in her own backyard, but is expected to survive, before the ambulance even gets to the hospital?
Time can jump in television, lol
It would take the same amount of time it took Warren to get to the bar by walking from Buffy's house.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 They placed the scenes in the wrong order then. It should have been ambulance scene, followed by Willow draining the books, next a Spike scene, then Willow saving Buffy, and then Warren finding out that the slayer is still alive.
@@JoshuaMartian-go3tm It makes no sense that the local media channel has already aired a news report about a girl being shot in her own backyard, but is expected to survive, before that victim even got to the hospital. How would they know that she was expected to survive? She was shot in the upper chest and was unconscious when brought in.
@@alexh8613 If they showed everything in real time the show would be like 12 hrs long. lol It's time jumps to keep it under 42 minutes. The bartender said she survived, she's in the hospital. That is just saying she survived the gun shot to the hospital meaning she didn't die on the scene or on the way.
Sometimes I think we share the same brain😅 🎶where did you come from? Where did you go? 🎶 😂😂
No, this was not a "magic bullet", ala the JFK assassination. Warren hit Tara with an extraneous (and incredibly stupid) shot. Unaimed and over his shoulder as he was retreating.
I'm kind of with Dawn and Willow on what needed to happen to Warren. Even immediately before his demise, he was boasting that he would get away with it. Then the pain, then the begging, then the lips being sealed, then the flaying. Also, I agree with @mparantha. "Bored now" was a great call back. It was also alluded to with "falling now" in S4/E21.
We know at least one other character who died of natural means and who was brought back by a spell Willow knew of. Joyce had been dead for days and probably came back wrong. Tara was freshly killed so Willow should have gone hunting for demon eggs. I suppose when Osiris himself tells you someone is gone forever you believe them.
Although we never see the exact result, it's implied that whatever is brought back in 5x17 isn't really Joyce. At least not normal Joyce. I think Willow knows that any attempt she would make to resurrect Tara wouldn't actually work correctly.
That spell brought back a zombie, NOT Joyce.
12:17 I would accept The Wedding SINGER!
i actually like how Tara died BECAUSE it was so senseless - that is what life is, stupid random stuff happens and there is sometimes nothing you can do, no mater if you have supernatural powers
A what kind of annoyance, now? 🤨
your frustration is understandable but we have all been there, but there are two more episodes left so watch them and then let us know what your thoughts on the overall season is.
It was another bullet that hit Tara. Buffy's was still in her shoulder at the hospital. Warren shot backwards as he was running away and one of those hit Tara. Pathetic excuse for a human being.
The blood of the innocent...
I think that Tara's life might have been the price for Willow's abusive use of magic and for bringing back Buffy. Maybe it's the universe "restoring" balance that way. I don't get why Buffy is tryna stop her from offing Warren, he's as bad as the worst demons we've seen if not worse. The credits thing is cruel and is probably due to behind the scenes drama, It's known that Joss was a pos to Charisma on Angel and took it out on her character so I can see him being petty like this.
Yeah, Joss is a dick. He told Amber at the end of _season 5_ how he planned on killing her off in season 6.
_Then_ he went to Adam Busch, who plays Warren and was actually dating Amber at the time; and said, "I'm going to have you kill your girlfriend,: and Adam was like, "Oh, cool, Warren's going to get a girlfriend?" And Joss laughed and said, "No, your real girlfriend."