What’s most disgusting about how Yale treats these students is that despite their foundation being generously well funded, they seem to be operating from the point of view that they’re incapable of creating accommodations and supportive infrastructure for students because it might cost too much money. It’s ableism compounded by corporate greed and cruelty. It’s monstrous.
Right these are some of the brightest Minds in the country just to get into the school is an amazing accomplishment and then the pressure these kids are under
Agreed! Its Yale and they have these substandard mental health policies. WTH? How does this reflect upon a degree in psychology or policy when they FAIL AT BOTH!
IT IS A University of higher education, NOT A NURSERY. You want them to deal with your mental baggage? When you go to a University you should be prepared 100 percent; if not, take care of yourself BEFORE you go. There is a lot of fault here, - children raising children, and colleges straying far from what they should actually be. This entire discussion of sue happy winers is disgusting.
@@luisvelez5695 that's what you think did you know the majority of people that actually have jobs have mental issues our definition of saying is a little bit different from most other people's definition of saying and the people that actually have mental issues not all of them are crazy just a little bit of eccentric and strange
Mais conhecendo bem quem ele é e sua credencial de Crazys. não e de se Espantar maís.como ele representa ser tudo de um Escroto Delinquente. E preconceito e Racismo puro.#
Every university that takes any government money, for anything, should be required to set up programs that support these students. This needs to be federal law.
I'd say, it's happening in every school. I was kicked out from Baruch College because I had asthma attacks and depression. It happens the same in NYC City Tech, when the pandemic hit us, I lost my job and I wasn't able to do my payments. I wasn't able to do financial aid because they were looking my taxes from 2019. Universities in the USA are mostly seeing as a business than helping educating the next generation.
Eddie, I am so sorry. I am so surprised a public university can be cruel, especially CUNY. You deserve so much more. Indeed, educational services have become a business. I hope everything gets better for you.
Unfortunately many colleges are like that. I was diagnosed with mdd and ptsd from child hood trauma my college encouraged me to withdraw from college while I was on medication and at the same time I had side effects. Most of my professors dropped me from my courses as soon they knew I was struggling with my mental health. I ended up being dropped from all my courses. I don’t have anyone in life to depend on or adult to cry to. It’s hard to be a student who struggle with mental illness. FAFSA gives 6 years but that’s not enough when you struggle taking 2-3 classes that require large amount of hours of study. Only If you are a full time student you can receive benefits, it’s hard to get resources when you are a part time student who is independent and struggling with mental health
That's rough. At the same time, did you disclose your mental illness on your college applications? If I were taking a kid into my home, then I should be informed on what the health issues are so that I can ensure I have proper accommodations. The same goes with colleges.
I never got the help I needed and had to drop out. I worked minimum wage until filing for early retirement on disability at age 48. I am now 51 and that's life in the big city. The system has no heart. AI will have 100% control of all human life within a few years. What can you do? Nothing. The suicide epidemic has been on an incline for the last couple of decades and there's no turning back. I need to use all my fingers and some toes to count the loved ones of mine who have ended their lives.
And it never occurred to you they were doing you a favor by kicking you out bc you simply weren't college material? There are other careers that you might qualify for that don't require you to have meds bumped or have a breakdown. As well, you might actually secire a job within those careers. You need to reassess your goals. Colleges have been nothing but paper mill cash cows for many years now. We need that to change, and the only way to clean up the current mess is to stop allowing anyone who finished 12th grade to be admitted to college, and most definitely not ivy league colleges.
@@grandmalovesmebest not sure if you were talking about me or not. But I'm a very intelligent individual and I AM college material. I was the president of my campus I ran several clubs on campus. It was my personal life that was a mess. Also for myself and most people of color we are often fighting false stigmas and stereotypes so although my parents told me to just work I broke the mold and went to college and graduated with Phi Theta Kappa Honors in 2013 and was pregnant with undiagnosed mental health issues. IT CAN be done, many colleges arent aware of what all it takes to accomodate a student but I salute anyone trying and fighting back against the system black or white, I salute her for taking a stand
I dropped out of UChicago after being asked to involuntarily withdraw following an iatrogenic mental health crisis and hospitalization in 2015. When being presented with "my choice" to withdraw by admin, I was threatened with being evicted from my dormitory if I choose not to comply. I am unable to return or reapply without proving my sanity using more of the same professionals who abused and traumatized me. My advice to all current students is to never seek mental health treatment through a university because what you say to a therapist CAN and WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU. UChicago also had a policy of not providing accommodations to anyone who was seeking treatment through Student Counseling, only outside recommendations were ever considered, but even then Student Disability Services was considered a joke (most of the core campus remains to this day inaccessible to wheelchairs).
U of C also had a terrible reputation for neglecting the physical health of students, for decades. I knew a PhD candidate in Clinical Psychology who nearly died of pneumonia, and had to go home to California and be treated at Stanford. She returned and completed her thesis. Yes, they did this to a woman who was ABD. The Social Darwinism is rampant.
I have friends who attended U of C and they told me stories of suicide being very common. Its a difficult age for sure- so its definitely better to be at home with parents or in another safe rather than stressed out and struggling at school. There is nothing wrong with taking some time off. Just because a school accepted you doesn't mean they owe you anything more than an education. If you are unable to have that sink in due to personal struggles, then it is better to leave. It's frankly not fair to the other students to have them see their classmates hanging from a noose- as my friends did. Time to prioritize what is important in life for EVERYONE.
Universities and colleges are excellent about taking $$$ from student but don't want any involvement for supporting them if they are" not normal". My Alma Mater tried to dump me out of my therapy school because it was discovered at a clinical that I had a severe learning disability. I had copedcall the previous years but moving cross country to live and work at a large busy hospital was more than I could do. Instead of helping they made me pay the next semester and threatened that if I couldn't find my own help and straighten my " problems" out I would be ejected from the program. My advisor said that I would" never become a therapist". Through grit and persistence I did and I am..no thanks to them.
Hearing stories like these makes me grateful for not going to an Ivy and that I went to a university that actually treated me and my mental health issues seriously and likely even went out of their way to make sure I was well, without pressuring me to leave or to stay, and do their best to make sure I got the help I needed (I had an attempt in my first semester which caused me to be hospitalized, and I didn't get any treatment for my mental health issues until a few months before my first semester). A good friend of mine went to another university and that university (both higher ups and many professors) often refused to give accommodations or even gave her accommodations but some professors would refuse to comply with some of the accommodations that the department of disability would give (they were often the only reasonable people there), and would do other messed up things to disabled students (like they would often kick people out of university provided mental health care system by making up excuses like missing nonexistent appointments), and would often do these likely with the purpose to force students to drop out or to repeat classes cus that made them more money (despite being a public university). The higher ups had a long history of using the university as a way to make more money, until a few months ago when the head of the university resigned and both her and the university began to be investigated by the FBI. From that it came out that the university was in basically 10 times the amount of debt to the size of their endowment. Just FYI my university is also a public state university so it's not like I go to a fancy pants school. Yale has the resources to help their students do better but it seems like all the Ivy Leages have the attitude of "u need me more than I need u" and "if u can't keep up, plenty of people would love to take ur place" style attitude to their students so they feel like they can treat their students like crap because of it.
The reality is is that there is a high percentage of young people just starting out in college with mental health issues. They have rights in the work place, at school, and other places. This has been going on for decades (see father and son story in video). The point is to identify it and get help immediately, instead of an Ivy League school treating them like criminals. For some students this is the first time in their family lineage going to college, some from poor backgrounds, and people of color.
exactly, the only people this will affect are the students coming from less fortunate backgrounds which would also have a higher chance for these students to be afflicted with mental health disorders because of those conditions. If a student from those backgrounds have had the drive to make it to those great heights then they should not be tossed to the side, they have already have made the great achievement of making it to these prestigious schools under their conditions, then don’t toss them to the side, they’ve worked just as hard if not harder because of their personal situations!
Why are nearly all of the young people mentally ill? What has happened to our country? I'd love to see Goodman do a segment on the effects of feminism on families and the mental health of children.
Ah, now I see what happened to me 41 years ago, why the kind college counselor was so quick to encourage me to drop out when I went for help. I understand a concern for the effects on other students in some cases, but I was not negatively affecting other students at all, in fact I was providing companionship to several other students, and they to me.
Not surprising. All these colleges care about is if you're rich, or especially if your parents are rich alums. These types of places push the type of lifestyle that is ultra unhealthy and is reflected so much in American culture. The culture where work is the main focus in life and how everyone should focus most of themselves into gaining. To these types, people with mental health only look like stats that detract from themselves. Like the lady said, all they care about is productivity, because to them that is all there is. Things like work life balance of working to live rather than living to work are absurdities to them.
That's why these students are speaking up. The elitist mindset is they can just treat fellow humans like complete crap and get away with it. They've been getting away with it for decades. It's time they start taking accountability for their actions and if they won't, make them pay the consequences. Fire some people. Make this public. Maybe if people stop going to their schools and cutting into their pockets they will change their ways.
This happened to me in college as well about 15 years ago. An elite small liberal arts school though not an Ivy League. It broke me and took years to get back to a local university. Since then I’ve gotten a masters at a uni in the UK. I cannot tell you the amount of support I received to complete and thrive at that institution. They were so invested in me. Had society shifted over the past ten years or was the latter institution’s orientation just so fundamentally different? Anyhow I’m proud of these kids for standing up for their needs and dreams. May they prevail.
Great episode. Money over teenage/adult mental health is adhorrent. Call it out Now! Great time for a revolution🤔 Sack the board of Ivy League colleges/Uni's. Enough is Enough! Time for change. Who profets from your fees? Clearly not the Student with additional needs! Unconscionable😳
It isn’t just Yale - it’s corporate America. Don’t be fooled by the not-for-profit/non profit veneer - these are business meant to enrich those at the top. 40 years in academia - my family has seen it evolve.
Happened to me recently. Not mental health, but disability. All my classmates thought I should sue. I decided it wasn't worth the toll it would take on me.
@@vice2versa I was vulnerable, alone and coming up against a whole system that was built to protect itself in a culture where people are afraid to stick their necks out. I would have been embattled, and I needed my energy to recover from the trauma, as opposed to using it up to fight a losing battle.
Not surprising an ivy league cares more about profit and saving face than actually taking care of students. Not surprising at all. Hope all Yale students past and present can find the strength to keep going and find the help they need.
I’m from Newport Rhode Island but my good friend went to Columbia and she got Lyme disease and they forced her out as well. Which only made her depression and symptoms so much worse. These colleges are businesses they don’t actually give a $h!t about human beings. Capitalism kills.
Yale is clearly in the wrong here, and as an educational institution, they ought to want to support their students. After all, an argument many elite colleges make about their stringent admissions policies is that it's costly for them to admit students who won't ultimately stay for their degree. That would suggest retention as a goal. Furthermore, as a professor (retired) with decades of teaching experience, I know that my students with health issues were just as successful as those without, when given the supportive environment that the law requires. Penalizing people because their illness is in their brain instead of their lungs is not only ridiculous, it's unnecessarily cruel. In addition, the onset of schizophrenia in men is typically 18-25. So Yale's policy is targeting folks at their most vulnerable period, while simultaneously making money off them. Shame on them.
I've had similar issues with the University of Washington. I'm part of the psychology department and you'd think they'd be more understanding and accommodating of people with mental illness disabilities but that isn't always the case. The Disability Office has put noting but barriers up in front of me and other students with mental illnesses, particularly those who are student veterans like myself, and so we've often relied on individual professors to accommodate us. This isn't ideal as many of the professors are unwilling to work with the students needing help.
You’re not alone- no you’re not and THAT is what makes me most angry! If it’s common- how can a college like Yale not be able to identify and solve a problem so simple. Are we sure they’re smart?
On the other hand, Yale had no problem awarding the convicted insurrectionist Elmer S. Rhodes their prestigious J.D. - which requires the successful completion of a course in ethics. So they're saying "sociopaths yes, anorectics no". Go Bulldogs!
This is tragic, considering how hard they worked to get into Yale. I was lucky enough to go into my field right out of high school, and didn’t have to deal with any of these issues, not to mention the crippling financial debt. It’s a shame the one boy that they highlighted didn’t survive. As a legacy, I bet his father might have different thoughts about pushing his son so hard without the realization that the college game is infinitely more cut-throat now than it was in the 60’s and 70’s. My heart goes out to all the students that are struggling. Imagine what with just a little acknowledgment and a simple path to a mental health professional, Yale could have avoided all of this and not lost all this potential talent and future revenue from donors. Unfortunately the ‘pull yourself up by your bootstraps’ old guard who grew up analog and still have house phone lines and possibly a jitterbug flip phone at best, don’t know and will never have to realize how the kids these days all have to play daily multi-level chess just to get through life. I can’t wait until they all start collecting the last set of pensions that are going to be given out, and the generation with empathy can come in and actually look out for their students. 💔
My generation is really dissed by you. I believe that in any group of people you will find generous loving people, those who don’t give a darn about others, and those in the middle. If you have greater needs, I understand the need for outside professional help.
@@karenwaddell9396 I’m assuming that you mean you’re a Boomer, and that’s the generation that’s member in power are currently ignoring that the world is going up in flames, so I’m happy you’re one of the good ones. I was lucky enough to have Boomer parents that are the good ones too. 🏆
I love the dad! And I appreciate your stance on the matter and I send you a lot of prayers. I teach at uni (not the US) and I have lots of colleagues who share with me seriously distressing stories. I am glad that mental health is increasingly being taken seriously and incorporated in our pastoral care work. Lots of love to everyone featured here and the many unreported stories out there. We stand with you.
At what point do we ask ourselves, 'Is this the way we should be living our lives? Can the human condition really survive the hyper systems we have developed in the name of capitalism?"" I think we have our answer.
The impacted students could just transfer. The reason why Yale does this is because it can. Every year there are 50K kids that will hear this story and still apply. Yale will change when it hurts its bottom line.
I was told I couldn’t take a semester off from RPI to care for a family member with cancer. Later they asked me to come back, but it was too late. Cost me around $40,000 maybe more, because I had to transfer to another college and start over in a specialized degree.
I went to a private university in NC. One of my suite mates sold his brand new car for 3 bucks. His parents were not surprised when I called. If you have mental illness, regardless of treatment available, how do you want treatment when you don't think you have mental issues. Yale is in a tough spot. That dude made 1500 on the sat when sat cap was 1600.
I don’t think these schools are doing anything much different from what the government does, a microcosm of people fighting for things/rights that they deserve and need from institutions that take from them more than they give. The United States government should be paying for people to pursue higher education in order to secure a healthier, and more equitable society of knowledgeable diverse individuals to ensure the validity of the nation & avoid scarcity as a lack of this is a Part of why people are soo stressed. There isn’t hope without mental health, physical wellness, and education, and currently we have the wheel and we are the parts of the machine that keeps the wealthy wealthier
I got my first psychological counseling while a part-time student at a public two-year college in California in the mid-to-late 80s. The “Depressed?” and “Stressed?” signs offering help at the student health center seemed to be everywhere-welcoming and without judgment. I cannot imagine what my life would have been like without that first step.
Most schools, including med schools, are so demanding that almost all students suffer from depression, anxiety and burnout. Even total mental breakdowns. But no one talks about any of it.
Bipolar disorder here. They indirectly force you to quit and abandon you. Then you lose everything and owe them money. There is no help, so you better have a good family.
They think it’s bad now we have an up and coming generation that is depressed and suffer anxiety, so they better figure out tangible ways to accommodate these kids. School crisis hotline, personal tutors to help during stressful class projects to reduce stress levels, computer interactive robots for friendship, schoolwork, communication. Weekly held counseling class. Having an interactive robot can be as good as a journal.
We, Americans, have to examine deeply our stances regarding mental health, and our own prejudices. This case happened in the upper levels of society, but most of terrible cases are visible to us in the streets of our cities.
No one being allowed to attend part-time, under any circumstances, is bizarre. Suppose a student was injured in a car crash due to a drunk driver, in which their mother was killed? A year of part-time studies is the right thing to do; dropping out, or attempting a full load are both unwise. You should always avoid dropping out -- you have to have a foot in the world. But you cannot ask yourself to do what you literally cannot.
Most people only find out in late teens/ early adulthood that they have a mental health diagnosis. These institutions should be expecting and anticipating a good portion of their students to have these needs rather than treating them like lepers and shunning them. God bless these kids.
Read the complaint, which asks for injunctive relief. One possibility would be one to two semesters of attending school part-time, being allowed to reside on campus, having access to the counseling that is part of student health insurance, and of not being pressured into withdrawing.
I'm sorry but I don't agree with this lawsuit. If it is a residential dorm situation, the college can't afford be held liable if they have students who are a danger to themselves or others and the college allows them to stay in residence.
If that is the case, then those students cannot benefit from a reasonable accommodation and would not qualify to receive one. Not everyone who has had a major depressive disorder IS a danger to anybody. That is the point of anti-discrimination laws: just because someone, somewhere, committed suicide in their college dorm does not mean that you can exclude anyone who ostensibly has something in common with that person. Maybe you should read the complaint? Find out what the suit is about first, before you disagree with it.
Kids aren't dying and harming themselves due to "mental illness." That's a bit of a cop out. Whether you want to call it mental illness or not, these expectations and pressures do not come out of nowhere. They come out of a culture of constant surveillance, testing, grades, competition, and expectations. They are taught that what matters isn't their ability to learn and grow, but to always perform at an ever-increasing standard. And if they can't meet that standard, they might not get that scholarship or that job, and then maybe they can't afford housing. Or their social worth will plummet. A lot of kids' identity is attached to grades. Most people in my classes didn't care about learning, they cared about grades, including me. And it hurt all of us
Many times when plaintiffs do not claim monetary value with their class action suit, the case is not taken as seriously. Hopefully, Yale will be required to include budget requirements supporting students psychologically as well as physically. Compassion, transparency, integrity and accountability for all!
IDK, any college that isn't equipped to support the mental health needs of their students is doing so by choice. Yale has plenty of those people within their system. I received decent mental health support at a community college in the late 1980s. Also, the Virginia Tech shooting hammered home that this support needs to be in place. This isn't some new problem.
Fast forward the year 2022! Abandonment and discrimination, sounds familiar to those that can relate that has endured a academic system that is insensitive.
Thank GOD,despite of problems going on around them,they spoked and told the Democracy Now, that wasn't fare for this student discriminated cause of their mental illness,instead of helping them.
Elizabeth Wurtzel's memoir, Prozac Nation, gives a very different account of her experience at Harvard, but it did precede the period of major school shootings. The irony is that her very candid and at times brilliant book was panned by critics. Harvard treated her fairly, but many of her readers with soapboxes didn't. I only found out about it and read it when Ms. Wurtzel died of a relatively rare form of cancer.
I’m mixed on this. But I will say it does seem problematic that someone can claim they have anxiety and so they get extra time to make up tests and get to extend deadlines and everything else. That’s exactly where I can see this going. That’s where many high schools around this country are already doing.
There are four lawyers listed on the complaint, with lead counsel being Kasey Considine, based in Connecticut, and several from Washington, D.C. These are always public records.
I wonder if it is because Yale demands too high of standards or an unchanging standards stuck in the past because of that unusual black building that only has certain families enter. While everybody else is not important. Or are they trying to keep cost low by bullying students that don't live up to their standards and will cost too much. Yet colleges and universities cost decades of debt and they cannot or do not want to help at all. Survival of the fittest is the awful way of thinning out the herd for elite status to become what the perception to keep the social power intact.
You know, with the rampant homelessness, spree shootings, veterans suicide, the inability of Yale students to not attend commissary really puts a button on America's mental health challenges. The stresses of Ivy League students and their needs have been ignored for too long! My heart, it bleeds.
Everything isn't a competition. Sure, homelessness is a more tangible issue than depression. But those students worked and paid to get into those colleges, and their futures depend largely on their academic record. It is in fact unjust to be withdrawn involuntarily because you were feeling down and needed to talk to someone. So yes, these students are fighting for their rights, not making claims about who gets first place in the suffering olympics.
Thank you for covering this very important/prevalent issue. It is very challenging and definitely needs to be addressed. Unfortunately, I believe simply from a biological perspective, mental health issues and late adolescence/young adulthood seem to perfectly “collide” at high school and college. I don’t feel this is a blame game - but rather a fact of modern life we could do better at addressing 👍. The good news is I feel we are steadily improving. Let’s keep it going with information like this. Thank you
For students who -- for whatever reason -- cannot take a public stand and fight, let this be a lesson: DO NOT share your mental health status with your school anymore than you would with your employer. The privacy of your medical records is federally protected for a reason. If you are accused of threatening suicide in front of a roommate, deny it. Or claim you were rehearsing lines from a play. I'm serious. Don't confess anything, and force your opponent to bear the burden of proof. Once you share, you can't change your mind and take it back. It's a bell you can't unring. This is a life lesson, too; you have a right to remain silent, and to seek care from those who will guard your privacy and put your well being FIRST. Allow yourself that. Remember, when Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen developed cancer, Bill Gates tried to make him quit. He lived well over 30 productive years after his diagnosis.
I used to dream of Yale (emphasis on dream- never would have happened)- but this is just disgusting. I hope they get paid some massive settlements so they can at least go somewhere decent and not worry about life expenses for a while… I would have thought mental health would be something they prioritise given this is an Ivy league, high pressure environment and a whole new phase of life and transitions can be really tough on your mental well-being…
Some of us with mental disabilities are merely differently abled and are actually just a loathed uncomodifiables.The Idiot by Doestoevsky is a brilliant savant...
Criminalizing homelessness does not go far enough. I think the government should criminalize senior citizens collecting Social Security. I think the government should put a cap on poverty. If you're not making $20,000 a year you are committing a felony and should spend the next six years in a federal prison. America should be spending its tax dollars on more sophisticated weapons and not giving old people a free ride filling up our hospitals with incurable diseases.
My college counselor conspired with me to have a path towards success for my ideals. He encouraged me a couple of times to change my choice of classes and I followed his advice, they finally made me stop taking classes at a 100 credits! Lol they were like:) Sorry but you must graduate NOW! Teehee such a great experience even though there were times I was homeless and being hurt, beaten and of course financially defeated! I am so glad I stood up for myself and gained respect through cooperation!
If you're forcefully withdrawn from a school all your debts to that school should also be null and void.
Amen. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
How is this not a violation of the ADA?
What’s most disgusting about how Yale treats these students is that despite their foundation being generously well funded, they seem to be operating from the point of view that they’re incapable of creating accommodations and supportive infrastructure for students because it might cost too much money. It’s ableism compounded by corporate greed and cruelty. It’s monstrous.
Right these are some of the brightest Minds in the country just to get into the school is an amazing accomplishment and then the pressure these kids are under
Agreed! Its Yale and they have these substandard mental health policies. WTH? How does this reflect upon a degree in psychology or policy when they FAIL AT BOTH!
IT IS A University of higher education, NOT A NURSERY. You want them to deal with your mental baggage? When you go to a University you should be prepared 100 percent; if not, take care of yourself BEFORE you go. There is a lot of fault here, - children raising children, and colleges straying far from what they should actually be. This entire discussion of sue happy winers is disgusting.
@@debbino4249 To some people it's a diagnosed disability, not 'baggage'. The way you view mental health is disgusting.
AGORA FROM E PEGAR ESTE LULA DO BRASIL QUE QUERER GOVERNAR EM SHORTS . #
Imagine, being in such a vulnerable emotional state and on top of it, your college throws you out? Damn, that’s cold. Sue the hell out of them!
Crazy people will not get a job anyway
@@luisvelez5695 that's what you think did you know the majority of people that actually have jobs have mental issues our definition of saying is a little bit different from most other people's definition of saying and the people that actually have mental issues not all of them are crazy just a little bit of eccentric and strange
This is what my residency program did to me.
Discrimnating against people from less privileged backgrounds is sorta Yale's whole mission statement
Mais conhecendo bem quem ele é e sua credencial de Crazys. não e de se Espantar maís.como ele representa ser tudo de um Escroto Delinquente. E preconceito e Racismo puro.#
How many rich kids are crazy at yale ?
Every university that takes any government money, for anything, should be required to set up programs that support these students. This needs to be federal law.
Like normal countries USA is not a normal country
It already is federal law. The Americans with Disabilities Act.
Does Yale take public money?
However, even the federal government does not comply with the ADA.
Yale is private right? so I’m sure they don’t care much
The cruelty some institutions hand out to people is astonishing! Hopefully these heroes will help make them change!
Disgusting behavior from yale
For sure
I'd say, it's happening in every school. I was kicked out from Baruch College because I had asthma attacks and depression. It happens the same in NYC City Tech, when the pandemic hit us, I lost my job and I wasn't able to do my payments. I wasn't able to do financial aid because they were looking my taxes from 2019. Universities in the USA are mostly seeing as a business than helping educating the next generation.
Eddie, I am so sorry. I am so surprised a public university can be cruel, especially CUNY. You deserve so much more. Indeed, educational services have become a business. I hope everything gets better for you.
I would never go back to a job, school or relationship that treated me that way.
Unfortunately many colleges are like that. I was diagnosed with mdd and ptsd from child hood trauma my college encouraged me to withdraw from college while I was on medication and at the same time I had side effects. Most of my professors dropped me from my courses as soon they knew I was struggling with my mental health. I ended up being dropped from all my courses. I don’t have anyone in life to depend on or adult to cry to. It’s hard to be a student who struggle with mental illness. FAFSA gives 6 years but that’s not enough when you struggle taking 2-3 classes that require large amount of hours of study. Only If you are a full time student you can receive benefits, it’s hard to get resources when you are a part time student who is independent and struggling with mental health
That's rough. At the same time, did you disclose your mental illness on your college applications? If I were taking a kid into my home, then I should be informed on what the health issues are so that I can ensure I have proper accommodations. The same goes with colleges.
I never got the help I needed and had to drop out. I worked minimum wage until filing for early retirement on disability at age 48. I am now 51 and that's life in the big city. The system has no heart. AI will have 100% control of all human life within a few years. What can you do? Nothing. The suicide epidemic has been on an incline for the last couple of decades and there's no turning back. I need to use all my fingers and some toes to count the loved ones of mine who have ended their lives.
I applied for every subsidy available I graduated pregnant it took 6 years..
And it never occurred to you they were doing you a favor by kicking you out bc you simply weren't college material?
There are other careers that you might qualify for that don't require you to have meds bumped or have a breakdown. As well, you might actually secire a job within those careers.
You need to reassess your goals. Colleges have been nothing but paper mill cash cows for many years now. We need that to change, and the only way to clean up the current mess is to stop allowing anyone who finished 12th grade to be admitted to college, and most definitely not ivy league colleges.
@@grandmalovesmebest not sure if you were talking about me or not. But I'm a very intelligent individual and I AM college material. I was the president of my campus I ran several clubs on campus. It was my personal life that was a mess. Also for myself and most people of color we are often fighting false stigmas and stereotypes so although my parents told me to just work I broke the mold and went to college and graduated with Phi Theta Kappa Honors in 2013 and was pregnant with undiagnosed mental health issues. IT CAN be done, many colleges arent aware of what all it takes to accomodate a student but I salute anyone trying and fighting back against the system black or white, I salute her for taking a stand
I dropped out of UChicago after being asked to involuntarily withdraw following an iatrogenic mental health crisis and hospitalization in 2015. When being presented with "my choice" to withdraw by admin, I was threatened with being evicted from my dormitory if I choose not to comply. I am unable to return or reapply without proving my sanity using more of the same professionals who abused and traumatized me. My advice to all current students is to never seek mental health treatment through a university because what you say to a therapist CAN and WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU. UChicago also had a policy of not providing accommodations to anyone who was seeking treatment through Student Counseling, only outside recommendations were ever considered, but even then Student Disability Services was considered a joke (most of the core campus remains to this day inaccessible to wheelchairs).
It's crazy I feel like they're trying to vilify people with mental health issues when I think everybody has some kind of mental health issue
U of C also had a terrible reputation for neglecting the physical health of students, for decades. I knew a PhD candidate in Clinical Psychology who nearly died of pneumonia, and had to go home to California and be treated at Stanford. She returned and completed her thesis. Yes, they did this to a woman who was ABD. The Social Darwinism is rampant.
I have friends who attended U of C and they told me stories of suicide being very common. Its a difficult age for sure- so its definitely better to be at home with parents or in another safe rather than stressed out and struggling at school. There is nothing wrong with taking some time off. Just because a school accepted you doesn't mean they owe you anything more than an education. If you are unable to have that sink in due to personal struggles, then it is better to leave. It's frankly not fair to the other students to have them see their classmates hanging from a noose- as my friends did. Time to prioritize what is important in life for EVERYONE.
Universities and colleges are excellent about taking $$$ from student but don't want any involvement for supporting them if they are" not normal". My Alma Mater tried to dump me out of my therapy school because it was discovered at a clinical that I had a severe learning disability. I had copedcall the previous years but moving cross country to live and work at a large busy hospital was more than I could do. Instead of helping they made me pay the next semester and threatened that if I couldn't find my own help and straighten my " problems" out I would be ejected from the program. My advisor said that I would" never become a therapist". Through grit and persistence I did and I am..no thanks to them.
You would be surprised, how many Unis in the UK operate the same way.
Rich people don't respond to emergencies, they flee.
Sad but true
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Hearing stories like these makes me grateful for not going to an Ivy and that I went to a university that actually treated me and my mental health issues seriously and likely even went out of their way to make sure I was well, without pressuring me to leave or to stay, and do their best to make sure I got the help I needed (I had an attempt in my first semester which caused me to be hospitalized, and I didn't get any treatment for my mental health issues until a few months before my first semester). A good friend of mine went to another university and that university (both higher ups and many professors) often refused to give accommodations or even gave her accommodations but some professors would refuse to comply with some of the accommodations that the department of disability would give (they were often the only reasonable people there), and would do other messed up things to disabled students (like they would often kick people out of university provided mental health care system by making up excuses like missing nonexistent appointments), and would often do these likely with the purpose to force students to drop out or to repeat classes cus that made them more money (despite being a public university). The higher ups had a long history of using the university as a way to make more money, until a few months ago when the head of the university resigned and both her and the university began to be investigated by the FBI. From that it came out that the university was in basically 10 times the amount of debt to the size of their endowment. Just FYI my university is also a public state university so it's not like I go to a fancy pants school. Yale has the resources to help their students do better but it seems like all the Ivy Leages have the attitude of "u need me more than I need u" and "if u can't keep up, plenty of people would love to take ur place" style attitude to their students so they feel like they can treat their students like crap because of it.
Yes, that's the message. It's a reflection of capitalist values.
Name the school.
@@jakemccoy the one that helped me or the one that tried to scree over my friend?
People responsible should be involuntarily thrown out of Yale.
I love that the kids are pushing back against these huge institutions again.
The reality is is that there is a high percentage of young people just starting out in college with mental health issues. They have rights in the work place, at school, and other places. This has been going on for decades (see father and son story in video). The point is to identify it and get help immediately, instead of an Ivy League school treating them like criminals. For some students this is the first time in their family lineage going to college, some from poor backgrounds, and people of color.
We live in crazy society, where there is no more family centered.
exactly, the only people this will affect are the students coming from less fortunate backgrounds which would also have a higher chance for these students to be afflicted with mental health disorders because of those conditions. If a student from those backgrounds have had the drive to make it to those great heights then they should not be tossed to the side, they have already have made the great achievement of making it to these prestigious schools under their conditions, then don’t toss them to the side, they’ve worked just as hard if not harder because of their personal situations!
I so agree! The huge life transition and the stress that comes with it is a common cause of mental distress
Why are nearly all of the young people mentally ill? What has happened to our country? I'd love to see Goodman do a segment on the effects of feminism on families and the mental health of children.
Administrative mistreatment/harassment is very very very hard to fight against in life in general ... for the "normal" person ...
Ah, now I see what happened to me 41 years ago, why the kind college counselor was so quick to encourage me to drop out when I went for help.
I understand a concern for the effects on other students in some cases, but I was not negatively affecting other students at all, in fact I was providing companionship to several other students, and they to me.
Not surprising. All these colleges care about is if you're rich, or especially if your parents are rich alums. These types of places push the type of lifestyle that is ultra unhealthy and is reflected so much in American culture. The culture where work is the main focus in life and how everyone should focus most of themselves into gaining.
To these types, people with mental health only look like stats that detract from themselves. Like the lady said, all they care about is productivity, because to them that is all there is. Things like work life balance of working to live rather than living to work are absurdities to them.
Elitist people aren’t gonna help you
That's why these students are speaking up. The elitist mindset is they can just treat fellow humans like complete crap and get away with it. They've been getting away with it for decades. It's time they start taking accountability for their actions and if they won't, make them pay the consequences. Fire some people. Make this public. Maybe if people stop going to their schools and cutting into their pockets they will change their ways.
This happened to me in college as well about 15 years ago. An elite small liberal arts school though not an Ivy League. It broke me and took years to get back to a local university. Since then I’ve gotten a masters at a uni in the UK. I cannot tell you the amount of support I received to complete and thrive at that institution. They were so invested in me. Had society shifted over the past ten years or was the latter institution’s orientation just so fundamentally different? Anyhow I’m proud of these kids for standing up for their needs and dreams. May they prevail.
Great episode. Money over teenage/adult mental health is adhorrent. Call it out Now! Great time for a revolution🤔 Sack the board of Ivy League colleges/Uni's. Enough is Enough! Time for change. Who profets from your fees? Clearly not the Student with additional needs! Unconscionable😳
It isn’t just Yale - it’s corporate America. Don’t be fooled by the not-for-profit/non profit veneer - these are business meant to enrich those at the top.
40 years in academia - my family has seen it evolve.
@Supercollider that’s a good point I hadn’t thought about - thank you. It is an old model!
Happened to me recently. Not mental health, but disability. All my classmates thought I should sue. I decided it wasn't worth the toll it would take on me.
why didn't you sue. I would have tried to sue them for every penny.
@@vice2versa I was vulnerable, alone and coming up against a whole system that was built to protect itself in a culture where people are afraid to stick their necks out.
I would have been embattled, and I needed my energy to recover from the trauma, as opposed to using it up to fight a losing battle.
Not surprising an ivy league cares more about profit and saving face than actually taking care of students. Not surprising at all. Hope all Yale students past and present can find the strength to keep going and find the help they need.
I’m from Newport Rhode Island but my good friend went to Columbia and she got Lyme disease and they forced her out as well. Which only made her depression and symptoms so much worse. These colleges are businesses they don’t actually give a $h!t about human beings. Capitalism kills.
Yale is clearly in the wrong here, and as an educational institution, they ought to want to support their students. After all, an argument many elite colleges make about their stringent admissions policies is that it's costly for them to admit students who won't ultimately stay for their degree. That would suggest retention as a goal. Furthermore, as a professor (retired) with decades of teaching experience, I know that my students with health issues were just as successful as those without, when given the supportive environment that the law requires. Penalizing people because their illness is in their brain instead of their lungs is not only ridiculous, it's unnecessarily cruel. In addition, the onset of schizophrenia in men is typically 18-25. So Yale's policy is targeting folks at their most vulnerable period, while simultaneously making money off them. Shame on them.
A friend of mine literally experienced the same thing at University of Michigan during the pandemic
An institution steeped in sociopathic values and policies rejects students struggling with mental/emotional issues. How ironic.
It’s not just Yale where this happens
I've had similar issues with the University of Washington. I'm part of the psychology department and you'd think they'd be more understanding and accommodating of people with mental illness disabilities but that isn't always the case. The Disability Office has put noting but barriers up in front of me and other students with mental illnesses, particularly those who are student veterans like myself, and so we've often relied on individual professors to accommodate us. This isn't ideal as many of the professors are unwilling to work with the students needing help.
You’re not alone- no you’re not and THAT is what makes me most angry! If it’s common- how can a college like Yale not be able to identify and solve a problem so simple. Are we sure they’re smart?
We can be sure of one thing; they're capitalist sociopaths.
On the other hand, Yale had no problem awarding the convicted insurrectionist Elmer S. Rhodes their prestigious J.D. - which requires the successful completion of a course in ethics. So they're saying "sociopaths yes, anorectics no". Go Bulldogs!
This is tragic, considering how hard they worked to get into Yale. I was lucky enough to go into my field right out of high school, and didn’t have to deal with any of these issues, not to mention the crippling financial debt. It’s a shame the one boy that they highlighted didn’t survive. As a legacy, I bet his father might have different thoughts about pushing his son so hard without the realization that the college game is infinitely more cut-throat now than it was in the 60’s and 70’s. My heart goes out to all the students that are struggling. Imagine what with just a little acknowledgment and a simple path to a mental health professional, Yale could have avoided all of this and not lost all this potential talent and future revenue from donors. Unfortunately the ‘pull yourself up by your bootstraps’ old guard who grew up analog and still have house phone lines and possibly a jitterbug flip phone at best, don’t know and will never have to realize how the kids these days all have to play daily multi-level chess just to get through life. I can’t wait until they all start collecting the last set of pensions that are going to be given out, and the generation with empathy can come in and actually look out for their students. 💔
My generation is really dissed by you. I believe that in any group of people you will find generous loving people, those who don’t give a darn about others, and those in the middle. If you have greater needs, I understand the need for outside professional help.
@@karenwaddell9396 I’m assuming that you mean you’re a Boomer, and that’s the generation that’s member in power are currently ignoring that the world is going up in flames, so I’m happy you’re one of the good ones. I was lucky enough to have Boomer parents that are the good ones too. 🏆
I love the dad! And I appreciate your stance on the matter and I send you a lot of prayers. I teach at uni (not the US) and I have lots of colleagues who share with me seriously distressing stories. I am glad that mental health is increasingly being taken seriously and incorporated in our pastoral care work. Lots of love to everyone featured here and the many unreported stories out there. We stand with you.
It is so very sad that it takes this level of exposure to call out how utterly unaltruistic our educational system is in the US.
At what point do we ask ourselves, 'Is this the way we should be living our lives? Can the human condition really survive the hyper systems we have developed in the name of capitalism?"" I think we have our answer.
The system needs to change
The impacted students could just transfer.
The reason why Yale does this is because it can. Every year there are 50K kids that will hear this story and still apply. Yale will change when it hurts its bottom line.
I was told I couldn’t take a semester off from RPI to care for a family member with cancer. Later they asked me to come back, but it was too late. Cost me around $40,000 maybe more, because I had to transfer to another college and start over in a specialized degree.
I went to a private university in NC. One of my suite mates sold his brand new car for 3 bucks. His parents were not surprised when I called. If you have mental illness, regardless of treatment available, how do you want treatment when you don't think you have mental issues. Yale is in a tough spot. That dude made 1500 on the sat when sat cap was 1600.
I don’t think these schools are doing anything much different from what the government does, a microcosm of people fighting for things/rights that they deserve and need from institutions that take from them more than they give. The United States government should be paying for people to pursue higher education in order to secure a healthier, and more equitable society of knowledgeable diverse individuals to ensure the validity of the nation & avoid scarcity as a lack of this is a Part of why people are soo stressed. There isn’t hope without mental health, physical wellness, and education, and currently we have the wheel and we are the parts of the machine that keeps the wealthy wealthier
My university better not try this… this is disturbing and cruel.
I got my first psychological counseling while a part-time student at a public two-year college in California in the mid-to-late 80s. The “Depressed?” and “Stressed?” signs offering help at the student health center seemed to be everywhere-welcoming and without judgment. I cannot imagine what my life would have been like without that first step.
What most people say is that antidepressants have little effect - yet quite a few Americans (especially middle aged women) consume them.
Most schools, including med schools, are so demanding that almost all students suffer from depression, anxiety and burnout. Even total mental breakdowns. But no one talks about any of it.
Bipolar disorder here. They indirectly force you to quit and abandon you. Then you lose everything and owe them money. There is no help, so you better have a good family.
They think it’s bad now we have an up and coming generation that is depressed and suffer anxiety, so they better figure out tangible ways to accommodate these kids. School crisis hotline, personal tutors to help during stressful class projects to reduce stress levels, computer interactive robots for friendship, schoolwork, communication. Weekly held counseling class. Having an interactive robot can be as good as a journal.
Great interviews! Many thanks
We, Americans, have to examine deeply our stances regarding mental health, and our own prejudices. This case happened in the upper levels of society, but most of terrible cases are visible to us in the streets of our cities.
No one being allowed to attend part-time, under any circumstances, is bizarre. Suppose a student was injured in a car crash due to a drunk driver, in which their mother was killed? A year of part-time studies is the right thing to do; dropping out, or attempting a full load are both unwise. You should always avoid dropping out -- you have to have a foot in the world. But you cannot ask yourself to do what you literally cannot.
Unfortunately, part-time enrollment interrupts financial aid (unless they've changed this)
Empathy to today's young folks. The world is kinda messed up. Any wonder they act out the way they do. ☮
Bring vocational training to college level...that will help everyone esp those who suffer anxiety
I can only imagine getting kicked out for being "off" is just as bad as the reason the feelings are feeling to begin with.
Most people only find out in late teens/ early adulthood that they have a mental health diagnosis. These institutions should be expecting and anticipating a good portion of their students to have these needs rather than treating them like lepers and shunning them. God bless these kids.
Exactly what are "accommodations" for anorexia and insomnia?
Read the complaint, which asks for injunctive relief. One possibility would be one to two semesters of attending school part-time, being allowed to reside on campus, having access to the counseling that is part of student health insurance, and of not being pressured into withdrawing.
Yale should be forced to pay back ALL the subsidies they received from the US government 40 years with compound interest!
If you have to be hospitalized for your mental health issues why would you stay at university? Wouldn't getting better be the priority?
You should have the option to pause and hold your place for a reasonable length of time to get treatment, not kicked when you are already down
I'm sorry but I don't agree with this lawsuit. If it is a residential dorm situation, the college can't afford be held liable if they have students who are a danger to themselves or others and the college allows them to stay in residence.
If that is the case, then those students cannot benefit from a reasonable accommodation and would not qualify to receive one. Not everyone who has had a major depressive disorder IS a danger to anybody. That is the point of anti-discrimination laws: just because someone, somewhere, committed suicide in their college dorm does not mean that you can exclude anyone who ostensibly has something in common with that person.
Maybe you should read the complaint? Find out what the suit is about first, before you disagree with it.
Yale: the heights of civilization!
Amy you are the best! Thank you
Yale has done this for Decades
This sounds more like an ad for Northwestern.
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I'm not surprised at all. Disabled individuals are treated like trash.
Kids aren't dying and harming themselves due to "mental illness." That's a bit of a cop out. Whether you want to call it mental illness or not, these expectations and pressures do not come out of nowhere. They come out of a culture of constant surveillance, testing, grades, competition, and expectations. They are taught that what matters isn't their ability to learn and grow, but to always perform at an ever-increasing standard. And if they can't meet that standard, they might not get that scholarship or that job, and then maybe they can't afford housing. Or their social worth will plummet. A lot of kids' identity is attached to grades. Most people in my classes didn't care about learning, they cared about grades, including me. And it hurt all of us
From my experience at Dartmouth, they are next
Many times when plaintiffs do not claim monetary value with their class action suit, the case is not taken as seriously. Hopefully, Yale will be required to include budget requirements supporting students psychologically as well as physically. Compassion, transparency, integrity and accountability for all!
This makes me angry and upset.
That is dreadfully prejudice to treat students with mental health issues any different from students with other health issues! It is wrong
IDK, any college that isn't equipped to support the mental health needs of their students is doing so by choice. Yale has plenty of those people within their system. I received decent mental health support at a community college in the late 1980s. Also, the Virginia Tech shooting hammered home that this support needs to be in place. This isn't some new problem.
Fast forward the year 2022! Abandonment and discrimination, sounds familiar to those that can relate that has endured a academic system that is insensitive.
Each college must have those who put students needs first as their advocate not their judger!
Thank GOD,despite of problems going on around them,they spoked and told the Democracy Now, that wasn't fare for this student discriminated cause of their mental illness,instead of helping them.
Thank you to these brave young women. Best to you all!
They should sue Yale for lots of money to teach them a lesson!!! Terrible for those who needed support.
Wow this is unbelievable 😮
I won't even pretend to qualify for an Ivy League but wouldn't this qualify as Discrimination under the Civil Rights Bill ?
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Elizabeth Wurtzel's memoir, Prozac Nation, gives a very different account of her experience at Harvard, but it did precede the period of major school shootings. The irony is that her very candid and at times brilliant book was panned by critics. Harvard treated her fairly, but many of her readers with soapboxes didn't.
I only found out about it and read it when Ms. Wurtzel died of a relatively rare form of cancer.
I’m mixed on this. But I will say it does seem problematic that someone can claim they have anxiety and so they get extra time to make up tests and get to extend deadlines and everything else. That’s exactly where I can see this going. That’s where many high schools around this country are already doing.
Who is the lawyer helping them? It’s almost impossible to find one PyTorch stand up university? Please tell me name of the lawyer
There are four lawyers listed on the complaint, with lead counsel being Kasey Considine, based in Connecticut, and several from Washington, D.C. These are always public records.
Omg. This is terrible *and* illegal. Shame! And an Ivy to boot! 😢
Many schools do this. Your suicidality is a liability.
Showing feelings of an almost human nature, this will not do.......
I wonder if it is because Yale demands too high of standards or an unchanging standards stuck in the past because of that unusual black building that only has certain families enter. While everybody else is not important. Or are they trying to keep cost low by bullying students that don't live up to their standards and will cost too much. Yet colleges and universities cost decades of debt and they cannot or do not want to help at all. Survival of the fittest is the awful way of thinning out the herd for elite status to become what the perception to keep the social power intact.
They are not sueing for money? Sounds like a win for Yale.
No, they are demanding declaratory and injunctive relief.
Because it's close to
U of Chi - Rockefeller Invention of Mind Sciences Center.
You know, with the rampant homelessness, spree shootings, veterans suicide, the inability of Yale students to not attend commissary really puts a button on America's mental health challenges. The stresses of Ivy League students and their needs have been ignored for too long! My heart, it bleeds.
Everything isn't a competition. Sure, homelessness is a more tangible issue than depression. But those students worked and paid to get into those colleges, and their futures depend largely on their academic record. It is in fact unjust to be withdrawn involuntarily because you were feeling down and needed to talk to someone. So yes, these students are fighting for their rights, not making claims about who gets first place in the suffering olympics.
I experienced something similar but at a liberal arts college
Thank you for this video
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Thank you for covering this very important/prevalent issue. It is very challenging and definitely needs to be addressed. Unfortunately, I believe simply from a biological perspective, mental health issues and late adolescence/young adulthood seem to perfectly “collide” at high school and college. I don’t feel this is a blame game - but rather a fact of modern life we could do better at addressing 👍. The good news is I feel we are steadily improving. Let’s keep it going with information like this. Thank you
For students who -- for whatever reason -- cannot take a public stand and fight, let this be a lesson: DO NOT share your mental health status with your school anymore than you would with your employer. The privacy of your medical records is federally protected for a reason. If you are accused of threatening suicide in front of a roommate, deny it. Or claim you were rehearsing lines from a play. I'm serious. Don't confess anything, and force your opponent to bear the burden of proof. Once you share, you can't change your mind and take it back. It's a bell you can't unring. This is a life lesson, too; you have a right to remain silent, and to seek care from those who will guard your privacy and put your well being FIRST. Allow yourself that.
Remember, when Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen developed cancer, Bill Gates tried to make him quit. He lived well over 30 productive years after his diagnosis.
As long as you are turning in assignments on time they shouldn't be able to drop you, even if you're hospitalized
@@chairmanofthebored8684 if that is the case then the solution seems obvious doesn't it?
Your health, including mental health, is more important than your degree. If you are sick, take some time off and get better. It’s for your own good.
Sending all kinds of winning vibes to the plaintiffs.
I used to dream of Yale (emphasis on dream- never would have happened)- but this is just disgusting. I hope they get paid some massive settlements so they can at least go somewhere decent and not worry about life expenses for a while… I would have thought mental health would be something they prioritise given this is an Ivy league, high pressure environment and a whole new phase of life and transitions can be really tough on your mental well-being…
They are not suing for money, but for injunctive relief, which I assume would include removing any negative marks on their academic record.
Some of us with mental disabilities are merely differently abled and are actually just a loathed uncomodifiables.The Idiot by Doestoevsky is a brilliant savant...
Criminalizing homelessness does not go far enough. I think the government should criminalize senior citizens collecting Social Security. I think the government should put a cap on poverty. If you're not making $20,000 a year you are committing a felony and should spend the next six years in a federal prison. America should be spending its tax dollars on more sophisticated weapons and not giving old people a free ride filling up our hospitals with incurable diseases.
It’s amazing the pretty word crafting upon the paper trail that has no relationship to the policies being in acted.
I pray there is an equitable result here:)
My college counselor conspired with me to have a path towards success for my ideals. He encouraged me a couple of times to change my choice of classes and I followed his advice, they finally made me stop taking classes at a 100 credits! Lol they were like:) Sorry but you must graduate NOW! Teehee such a great experience even though there were times I was homeless and being hurt, beaten and of course financially defeated! I am so glad I stood up for myself and gained respect through cooperation!