Well There's Your Problem | Episode 111: SS Andrea Doria

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  • Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
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Комментарии • 802

  • @Randomstuffs261
    @Randomstuffs261 2 года назад +1538

    All you do is criticize. I'll have you know that the Andrea Doria was designed to be IN the ocean. What does it matter to you whether she's under the ocean or on top? She's IN it ain't she?

    • @msjoycie
      @msjoycie 2 года назад +93

      You present a valid argument. I like it.

    • @schnoodle3
      @schnoodle3 2 года назад +25

      Yes, but it's also on the ocean floor

    • @msjoycie
      @msjoycie 2 года назад +28

      @@schnoodle3 Yeah, kinda hard to steer down there…

    • @ewetoo
      @ewetoo 2 года назад +33

      VERY in, a deep almost terminal desire to be IN.

    • @theprojectproject01
      @theprojectproject01 2 года назад +104

      They PAID for the whole fathometer, they're gonna USE the whole fathometer

  • @TheSneakyDuck
    @TheSneakyDuck 2 года назад +832

    Postal worker here, the postal inspectors also police us. Our union includes a card with our insurance paperwork that has a number for legal representation and instructions to never speak to the inspectors without a lawyer present.

    • @joeyj6808
      @joeyj6808 2 года назад +10

      The Inspectors! starring Lou Gossett Jr.!!! Great bad tv!

    • @GrandLordGeek
      @GrandLordGeek 2 года назад +2

      All cops

    • @kalabuk1678
      @kalabuk1678 2 года назад +1

      ACAB includes the USPIS

  • @emilymcelroy3124
    @emilymcelroy3124 2 года назад +759

    took me until about thirty six minutes in to realize the 'normally i'd be shot for being italian' drop wasn't a very quiet guest

    • @smolemocomrade
      @smolemocomrade 2 года назад +126

      Oh thank god I'm not the only one, I was genuinely asking why they skipped the guest's intro lmao

    • @SpudnickMKII
      @SpudnickMKII 2 года назад +15

      Same

    • @Viraie
      @Viraie 2 года назад +74

      Same, I thought they forgot to introduce them due to She/Her's language chaos over the Alicenouns.

    • @25usd94
      @25usd94 2 года назад +60

      @@smolemocomrade It was. Guest was shot

    • @xxD20Girlxx
      @xxD20Girlxx 2 года назад +5

      Same

  • @iandetrick1309
    @iandetrick1309 2 года назад +789

    "do you think a washing machine spins fast enough to enrich uranium?"
    I never laugh out loud listening to podcasts, but that line did it.

    • @AsbestosMuffins
      @AsbestosMuffins 2 года назад +28

      oh no I can't listen to these with people around at work because of Liam and also because I'm just laughing my ass off. Yey Liam

    • @joshuahadams
      @joshuahadams 2 года назад +25

      Iirc at least one person got blasted by a machine spinning a slurry of fissile materials. Like saw the pretty blue light and then fell over.

    • @joshuahadams
      @joshuahadams 2 года назад +7

      Link to a video on radiation accidents and the like at Los Alamos that covers the incident:
      ruclips.net/video/yOdRh5HP650/видео.html

    • @seanomatopoeia
      @seanomatopoeia 2 года назад +2

      Yay Liam!

    • @tryste_mx
      @tryste_mx 2 года назад +2

      Only those at human societies.

  • @Calpsotoma
    @Calpsotoma 2 года назад +167

    "I am She and Her." Is how a Goddess would introduce herself.

  • @MiaMulder
    @MiaMulder 2 года назад +108

    Oh so that's why you wanted me to record that haha

    • @alice-ci2go
      @alice-ci2go 2 месяца назад +1

      Omg mia haaaaaiiiiii..
      Your one of my favorite guests

  • @poppyhaze6613
    @poppyhaze6613 2 года назад +423

    The 0000 0000 was only for Minuteman, and it was because the USAF and SAC was being petulant. They HATED the idea of safety systems because it could mean they'd nuke some random shipyard near Murmansk only 3 times instead of 4. The scientists involved made a little model nuclear detonator hooked up to a flashbulb to show how bad it could be if someone accidentally pressed the wrong button, and the flashbulb going off in their demonstration made the Congressmen jump. So that demonstration made them insist on security measures and McNamara and Kennedy agreed. So eventually, not only did it come out that the codes were 0000 0000, BUT the Minuteman had a democracy computer in it vote to launch the missiles
    The idea was that the various Minuteman bunkers controlled wings of many missiles, and when they put in the codes and turned the keys, the computer queried the rest of the bunkers to ask if they all agreed to launch. And if they all agreed within a time limit, all 40-50 missiles would launch. The problem was no reply by the time the timer ran out was considered "YES" and the timer was configurable. So a small group of corrupt officers with a single Minuteman computer technician could program the rest of the bunkers in their unit to 0 minutes and 0 seconds, use the unchanging 0000 0000 codes, and the rest of the computers would instantly approve the launch, and dozens of missiles could launch. A single accidental nuking might be forgiven, but 50?
    Kennedy was so imminently horrified by this, he not only demanded the codes be changed, he ordered the exploding bolts on the silo doors be removed. So even if they launched, the missiles would impact the silo doors. But until said time the computers be updated to use real codes and not default to go, if there was a war, they'd have to send some poor airman out there to quickly put all the bolts back on and hopefully he runs fast enough to avoid the doors being blown off and the rocket blast.

    • @darthbob88
      @darthbob88 2 года назад +25

      IIRC it was also fear that a decapitation strike might work, and that without the President's codes they wouldn't be able to fire a retaliation strike.

    • @AlanCanon2222
      @AlanCanon2222 2 года назад +15

      @@darthbob88 "Wing Attack Plan R"

    • @willmiles7978
      @willmiles7978 2 года назад +33

      More current though: Mar-A-Largo's wifi password is/was 1122334455

    • @spyone4828
      @spyone4828 2 года назад +10

      The version that I had heard was that the all zeros code was only for missiles based in the US, because the point of the codes was to prevent our missiles based overseas being fired if they fell out of our control. Like if we had based missiles in Fresnovia and the Fresnovian military decided to storm our bases and seize our missile, they couldn't actually launch them because they wouldn't have the codes.
      And yes, for the missiles based in the US the military didn't like the idea of some not launching because somebody forgot the codes, so not only was the code all zeros, not only was it already entered in, but the manual for launching said it was all zeros and to check in case somebody put in the wrong code. They considered the chance that somebody could seize control of a missile by storming a base on US soil negligible.

    • @grmpEqweer
      @grmpEqweer 2 года назад +17

      Well, I, for one, will now stop worrying and love the bomb.
      No fighting in the war room.

  • @jrobson100
    @jrobson100 2 года назад +227

    French captain: "We really don't need to respond to that distress message, modern ocean liners cannot sink."
    "Sir, it's an Italian ship."
    "Divert all power to the engines, and pray we reach them in time..."

    • @kjj26k
      @kjj26k Год назад +12

      Read that last line in Chadwick Boseman's voice. _XD_

  • @yak5223
    @yak5223 2 года назад +323

    I knew of this incident, but only from Seinfeld. "51 people? That's it? That's no tragedy! How many people do you lose on a normal cruise, thirty, forty?"

  • @davidheitzenrater9027
    @davidheitzenrater9027 2 года назад +156

    *That one FBI guy who listens to this podcast recreationally, now sweating profusely*

  • @shawnconway6009
    @shawnconway6009 2 года назад +105

    I do sorta like the idea of a captain demanding to go down with his ship... a ship that is not actually sinking. The ship is fine, but he's demanding that he go down with it. Now it's a hostage situation where he's taken himself hostage on the boat and trying to find a way to sink it. Sounds like a sketch on a comedy show.

    • @trioptimum9027
      @trioptimum9027 Год назад +23

      If you want some captain comedy, the Imperial Japanese Navy imported a lot of Royal Navy traditions, including a big emphasis on captains going down with the ship... but they didn't have the same notions of quiet dignity. (Big on dignity, but being quiet isn't part of it.) So when things started to look bad, you'd get this period of maneuvering where the rest of the officers would try to game the captain off the bridge and out on deck so they could drag him to a lifeboat, and he'd variously try to tie himself to the wheel or brace himself in the bridge. And then they'd all go mask-off when the order to abandon ship went out, and they'd bring in the burliest junior officers to try and wrestle the captain out. Sometimes they'd win, sometimes he'd win.

  • @TheWhytWulf
    @TheWhytWulf Год назад +45

    Roz suspended his disbelief once, but he used pre-stressed concrete and it collapsed almost immediately.

    • @DiamondKingStudios
      @DiamondKingStudios 8 месяцев назад

      The Genovese guy who got a job at FIU: “well guess I get three nickels now”

  • @TrashHeapCustodian
    @TrashHeapCustodian 2 года назад +613

    Ya know some people might have issues with it, but I actually really like that I have no fucking idea when or if we will get a WTYP episode, it makes it fun when I randomly open RUclips at 6:30 pm EST on a Saturday and there's a new pod waiting for us with no rhyme or reason. :)

    • @dag1407
      @dag1407 2 года назад +55

      I'd have to agree, i don't want wtyp to feel like a weekly chore

    • @marinary1326
      @marinary1326 2 года назад

      I enjoy being the victim of an ambush attack by the wtyp guerilla forces

    • @ebolapie
      @ebolapie 2 года назад +58

      I agree, except that they posted a two hour episode on my one hour break. I’ll be speaking with the union about this.

    • @TrashHeapCustodian
      @TrashHeapCustodian 2 года назад +24

      @@ebolapie you gotta get yourself one of them "fuck off it's the weekend I'm not coming in" jobs

    • @dannyboy_vtc8980
      @dannyboy_vtc8980 2 года назад +4

      Yeah it just switched to sunday in europe, but not arguing at all.
      Also, on the job for a weekend is a blasphemy, saturday evening is a crime, in august none the less i'm doing the crime unless some unheard of amount per hour.
      Lol i'm trying to see the news from a neighbouring country i usually follow the clips here on yt, yeah they didn't post a single clip today, like feck it, a weekend in august, and a beer fest in the city for the weekend, haha!

  • @jacksonarnold27
    @jacksonarnold27 2 года назад +185

    20:25 -- "Do you think a washing machine spins fast enough to enrich uranium? Like, do you think we can overclock a washing machine?"
    I cannot stress enough how much I appreciate Liam's presence on this podcast. He fucking kills me with shit like this

  • @Orforio
    @Orforio 2 года назад +93

    4:14 "We're gonna do Italian disasters until we run out" oh so it's gonna be Italian disasters only from here on out, got it

  • @Thunder-Chief
    @Thunder-Chief 2 года назад +305

    "I've heard of suspension of disbelief, and I want nothing to do with it!"
    - Justin Roczniak
    Clipped for my forum sig. 😁

    • @Kaiasky
      @Kaiasky 2 года назад +28

      man, i gotta get my ass back into a forum, i miss having a forum signature

    • @Altoclarinets
      @Altoclarinets 2 года назад +5

      How are you still on a forum in 2022

    • @Bob-bs9ok
      @Bob-bs9ok 2 года назад +16

      @@Altoclarinets they're still quite common?

    • @ItzGuerrero
      @ItzGuerrero 2 года назад +1

      More like sigma male 😎😎

  • @erinfournumbers
    @erinfournumbers 2 года назад +218

    "My name is She Her, and my pronouns are alice/caldwell/kelly." Alice out there shaking up gender identity like a boss.

    • @charlesbradley3663
      @charlesbradley3663 2 года назад +2

      Such a moment. #obscureReference

    • @germangamingvideos6069
      @germangamingvideos6069 10 месяцев назад

      Caldwell???????? i always thought its coldwar

    • @DiamondKingStudios
      @DiamondKingStudios 8 месяцев назад

      @@germangamingvideos6069[clip of Alice referring to the Soviet Union as “the good guys”]

  • @lazyman556
    @lazyman556 2 года назад +170

    "we are going to keep doing Italian disasters till we run out or get bored"
    Please bring Joe Kassabian and Hell of a Way on again for an Italian tanks of WWII episode I beg you

    • @Nick_J_
      @Nick_J_ 2 года назад +2

      Seconded

    • @skrang9671
      @skrang9671 2 года назад +15

      And/or for talking about Luigi "12 Battles of the Isonzo River" Cadorna

    • @spinecho609
      @spinecho609 2 года назад

      @@skrang9671 God yes we can only dream

    • @PobortzaPl
      @PobortzaPl 2 года назад +1

      Or episode on Italian machine guns

    • @ZealothPL
      @ZealothPL 2 года назад +1

      Lol WW2 Italian tanks...why did they even bother xD

  • @isat.6228
    @isat.6228 2 года назад +63

    my favorite WTYP bit is when you guys are like "we're gonna have to edit this out later" when that time has clearly come and gone.

  • @ewanhogg3068
    @ewanhogg3068 2 года назад +40

    "The 777 hasn't had any accidents, but it's had a few intentionals."

  • @aickavon
    @aickavon 2 года назад +80

    Italian Captain's back then: Are all the passengers safe?
    Italian captains now: **Hides on the lifeboat**

    • @zoddy2368
      @zoddy2368 Год назад +22

      Excuse me, he fell into the lifeboat. He totally wanted to go back on but the coast guard guy was being a big meanie.

  • @JobboFett
    @JobboFett 2 года назад +36

    When the boat has capsized
    And the passengers died
    THAT'S A. DORIA!

  • @TheRealE.B.
    @TheRealE.B. 2 года назад +64

    Hypothetically, what if this wreck is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths of people that were killed by the blind spots caused by the front pillars of cars and would have lived in an alternate universe where the prototype car took off in popularity.

    • @demoniack81
      @demoniack81 2 года назад +4

      A lot more people would die in crashes without A pillars. There's a reason why they keep getting bigger and bigger every year, they're vital for the structural integrity of the car in a crash.

    • @TheRealE.B.
      @TheRealE.B. 2 года назад +13

      @@demoniack81 Well, strictly speaking,
      you could theoretically achieve the same structural integrity without pillars. It would just be way more expensive and less efficient. Maybe you could even make (brittle but strong) pillars out of high-performance glass.
      Now you've gone and got me wondering about how much the pillars matter in non-rollover crashes and how much the increased pillars are to compensate for the disadvantages of other recent design trends (i.e. more rollover-prone vehicles).

    • @welltheresyourproblempodca1465
      @welltheresyourproblempodca1465  2 года назад +16

      saab would beg to differ lol

  • @thetransplanner
    @thetransplanner 2 года назад +109

    The "new Stockholm just dropped" line from Alice made me laugh more than it deserved, and I'm happy to find out that she makes the same dumb joke as every other trans woman. Also, I *am* an _Andrea Doria_ survivor (I was -23 years old at the time), and I'm here for the jokes. Keep 'em coming.

    • @rosenoel
      @rosenoel Год назад +5

      Welp glad you got out!

  • @thomasgray4188
    @thomasgray4188 2 года назад +120

    The more and more I learn about Italian maritime affairs the more I believe God has a personal grudge against Italians interacting with ships.

    • @demoniack81
      @demoniack81 2 года назад +41

      We used up all our ship points during the Roman times apparently

    • @diestormlie
      @diestormlie 2 года назад +48

      God is a Phoenician confirmed.

    • @superjoeyman1
      @superjoeyman1 2 года назад +10

      Revenge for venice

    • @kabobawsome
      @kabobawsome 2 года назад +22

      @@demoniack81 Poseidon remembered when the Roman Emperor declared war on him.

    • @annafdd
      @annafdd 2 года назад +2

      Or, we go to sea a whole lot and it’s a numbers game.

  • @twiexcursori
    @twiexcursori 2 года назад +63

    building a dirty bomb and holding the government hostage until your demands of giving the National Archive a SWAT team are met

  • @ajbianchi85
    @ajbianchi85 2 года назад +78

    “How many people do you lose on a normal cruise, 30, 40?” George Costanza

    • @Ometecuhtli
      @Ometecuhtli 2 года назад

      Costanza obviously was prescient of covid

  • @BadRAM512
    @BadRAM512 2 года назад +85

    in regards to the 30:00 discussion of methods for crossing the atlantic, it is possible (though inconvenient and expensive) to book passage on cargo ships. All the inconvenience and prolonged claustrophobia of a cruise ship with none of the amenities!

    • @sc149
      @sc149 2 года назад +12

      also usually EVEN MORE expensive

    • @steemlenn8797
      @steemlenn8797 2 года назад +3

      Yeah, I once looked it up. It's more expensive than to fly by about factor 2. WTF? They only sell room they have anyway and which would be empty otherwise, and it does not cost them anything besides the extra food.

  • @Themanwithnoscreenname
    @Themanwithnoscreenname 2 года назад +113

    "So ocean liners, what were they for? Lining the ocean..."
    Sound logic to me, Justin.

  • @schmidtge2890
    @schmidtge2890 2 года назад +115

    In Germany all numbers that have the same number In them multiple times are called a "Schnapszahl" so you have to take a shot for Episode 111

    • @theprojectproject01
      @theprojectproject01 2 года назад +1

      I was hoping that number would be dedicated to the idiocy of a cryo vault

    • @brandonm949
      @brandonm949 2 года назад +27

      That's the most German thing I've ever heard lol. "This is the number where we drink!"

    • @kupsna
      @kupsna 2 года назад +7

      so also when you type in the nuclear code while being LBJ alternatively Nixon

    • @tillwersonst9720
      @tillwersonst9720 2 года назад +14

      No no no, it is *one* of the numbers where we drink. Half of German folklore and customs are based on drinking together. How do you tolerate the company of people while being sober?

    • @denziljoe
      @denziljoe 2 года назад +2

      What about words like "Schifffahrt"?

  • @thismikewill
    @thismikewill 2 года назад +57

    Boats, they float unless circumstances change

  • @anarchojazz
    @anarchojazz 2 года назад +85

    You have no idea how much happiness low quality Liam mic brought me

    • @jessicat7210
      @jessicat7210 2 года назад +9

      It's retro

    • @kgaumont
      @kgaumont 2 года назад +6

      liam is the tom brady of bad audio. you think he can't keep it up, but he always does

  • @CasualSnake_D2
    @CasualSnake_D2 2 года назад +72

    "The MS Stockholm was kind of ill-fated from the beginning" ok but which ship of the two involved in this incident is still in operation today? Scoreboard!

  • @pugzilla330
    @pugzilla330 2 года назад +110

    Justin's fixation on manufacturing a hydrogen bomb in his basement concerns me, I don't think I've ever seen him hold onto a bit like this....

    • @MrJohndoakes
      @MrJohndoakes 2 года назад +7

      It's a funny bit, especially if you are old enough to remember "The Manhattan Project" (1986), where a brilliant kid steals some nuclear gunk and builds a bomb as an anti-nuclear weapons thing.

    • @bobsmith2637
      @bobsmith2637 2 года назад +13

      @@MrJohndoakes if you haven't already look up David Hahn, who as a teenager tried to build a kinda sorta breeder reactor in a backyard shed using whatever radioactive materials he could legally get his hands on (smoke detectors, gas lantern mantles, etc). He was caught before he finished but he did manage to turn his parents' backyard into a literal Superfund site. He's probably the inspiration behind the Big Bang Theory/Young Sheldon storyline where Sheldon tries to build his own backyard reactor, only to be visited by Homeland Security and told that you can't keep yellowcake uranium in a shed.

    • @MrJohndoakes
      @MrJohndoakes 2 года назад +23

      @@bobsmith2637 I read the "Harper's" article on the kid years ago. Certain laboratories kept giving him the small doses of radioactive materials even though it was obvious he was not the scientist he claimed to be, mostly due to his handwritten letters. He was never properly medically examined after his lab in the shed was dismantled. Later in life he was diagnosed with schizophrenia, but only after he had done time in the Navy and Marine Corps. His life spiraled after that, he was jailed for trying to steal a bunch of smoke detectors, and later died in 2016 from a combo of booze, fentanyl, and DPH. A very dark story, and it could have gone differently had he been given some guidance and not treated as a science fair joke.

    • @magnus_cockstrong
      @magnus_cockstrong 2 года назад +12

      I was also concerned. I'm now building my own hydrogen bomb as a deterrent.

    • @pugzilla330
      @pugzilla330 2 года назад +5

      @@magnus_cockstrong Well if you're doing it too, then I think I am going to build my own hydrogen bomb just in case

  • @AsbestosMuffins
    @AsbestosMuffins 2 года назад +36

    not getting weird but musallini was publically strung up like all fascist dictators should be as a warning to not be a fascist dictator

  • @davidwright7193
    @davidwright7193 2 года назад +31

    Stockholm turned to make a port to port passage, as is the rule if you are making a close pass of another ship. Andrea Doria made a much wider turn to port to widen the distance between the two ships as you should for a distant passage. It was a classic case of disagreement on the meaning of “distant” and “close”.

    • @DistractedGlobeGuy
      @DistractedGlobeGuy 2 года назад +1

      So exactly what happened with RMS _Empress of Ireland._

    • @patrikj
      @patrikj 2 года назад +2

      Yeah, I was disappointed to hear that in an almost 2h discussion, they managed to get the basic facts of the incident exactly backwards. That Andrea Doria was the ship which turned to port is undeniably clear from the pictures showing her with a hole in her starboard side.
      That they got even this obvious fact backwards means I'm a lot less likely to believe them when they conclude that the accident was Stockholm's fault.

  • @DrKlausTrophobie
    @DrKlausTrophobie 2 года назад +29

    "The joke has been acknowledged." might be the most German thing i ever heard on this program.

  • @strredwolf
    @strredwolf 2 года назад +67

    Let me be weird to fill something that was missed in the introduction: YAY LIAM!!!

  • @DrinkBourbon
    @DrinkBourbon 2 года назад +136

    This will come in handy today, my tenth fucking day of covid. Thank you, WTYP crew.

    • @dmclegg66
      @dmclegg66 2 года назад +7

      Been there hang in there.

    • @gratuitouslurking8610
      @gratuitouslurking8610 2 года назад +6

      My sympathies, but did it at least give you a glorious Jordan Peterson impression like Roz?

    • @DrinkBourbon
      @DrinkBourbon 2 года назад +4

      @@gratuitouslurking8610 No I just ended up sounding like Super Dave Osborne

    • @dmclegg66
      @dmclegg66 2 года назад +3

      @@gratuitouslurking8610 no for me it was very mild I had just got the booster right before I got it.

    • @bobsmith2637
      @bobsmith2637 2 года назад +2

      stay strong

  • @BitterWillow
    @BitterWillow 2 года назад +20

    I love that I never know when I'm listening to a new episode, because I'm still catching up on old ones and sometimes listen to the same episode multiple times because ADHD. Infinite content :3

    • @OriginalPineapplesFoster
      @OriginalPineapplesFoster Год назад +4

      "Spotty memory for media I've previously consumed" is one of the symptoms I count as a blessing. 🧠😝🍍

    • @mate12cf
      @mate12cf Год назад +1

      "Learn how this person has deceived big podcast with this one simple trick"

  • @kommo1
    @kommo1 2 года назад +77

    Should Trump get arrested after all, I want you to do a Bonus Episode on all the buildings with his name on it.

    • @robertyoung4275
      @robertyoung4275 2 года назад +22

      Trump's engineering disasters could be an episode. Most recently, his actions (in the 80s) killed the Hotel Pennsylvania.

  • @spofet
    @spofet 2 года назад +22

    International Friendship day is my favorite WTYP reference

  • @capsjukebox
    @capsjukebox 2 года назад +50

    I think we now need to codify when International Friendship Day actually should be for the exchange of intercontinental ballistic gifts

    • @DrKlausTrophobie
      @DrKlausTrophobie 2 года назад +3

      Hm. Gifts usually are more appreciated when not expected.
      Have fun, throw a national surprise party... 🥳

    • @benevolentworldexploder5395
      @benevolentworldexploder5395 2 года назад +3

      Look, if you've never wanted intercontinental fireworks to internationally celebrate your eternal friendships then you are ever hopeless.

    • @QuotidianQuinn
      @QuotidianQuinn 2 года назад +3

      You never know when it's coming, so you have to be prepared to launch a retaliatory frienship day gift at any moment

  • @oldiaul
    @oldiaul 2 года назад +55

    "He's a reformed fascist"
    Justin, you can just say "Italian".

    • @kalabuk1678
      @kalabuk1678 2 года назад +4

      They’re not all reformed :(

  • @HewleyxAngel
    @HewleyxAngel 2 года назад +15

    Okay as requested my wildly inaccurate conspiracy theory for the crash. Godzilla was in the middle of his annual hunting ground migration route. He mistook the Andrea Dorea for a rival kaiju like Ebirah and rammed it. The force of the attack propelled the ship into the path of the Stockholm and caused the collision. Upon realizing this error, Godzilla proceeded to leave, thus the evacuation could commence without his interference.

  • @IntervencionesGringas
    @IntervencionesGringas 2 года назад +71

    I haven't had electricity (and internet) all afternoon, it just came back on and first thing my phone showed me was the new WTYP episode ♥️

    • @williamchamberlain2263
      @williamchamberlain2263 2 года назад +4

      The local grid had to do a power-up sequence to be able to handle it

    • @joeyj6808
      @joeyj6808 2 года назад

      You must be my neighbor. I want my day off refunded!

  • @JoeyCarb
    @JoeyCarb 2 года назад +15

    As someone who has constantly had their last name changed to "Calamari", I feel for my man Piero.

  • @grahamariss2111
    @grahamariss2111 2 года назад +12

    One point I think you missed is that on the MS Stockholm the collision released the anchor and chain, the crew were not able to haul it in due to the damage. This both caused confusion as the dragging anchor caused "severe handling issues" and induced the ship to go down at the bow and so concerns that the ship was more badly damaged than it was. That was the key driver of it not going to the rescue as she could not maneuver and obviously reluctant to send her boats out in fog to a ship they could not see, when you mind is focused on if the bulkheads are about to fail.

  • @thomaspalazzolo5902
    @thomaspalazzolo5902 2 года назад +5

    When an eel it jumps out, and it bites off your snout, that's a moray.

  • @prthedisaster
    @prthedisaster 2 года назад +30

    Thinking about people in a boat hearing a sports discussion as a parallel to the myth of the siren. In a foggy night, you'll hear the worst opinions possible, tempting you to intervening and knocking some sense into these incorporeal voices. when you reach the edge of the ship, it's all over, a new jersey guido shaped mermaid shanks you and drags you into the deep

  • @Daneelro
    @Daneelro 2 года назад +8

    Regarding the Satanic Verses: Alice, you should read the book, you don't get what the quotes are about without context. This is a book about an expat (loosely modelled on Ben Kinsley but partly on Rushdie himself) and an apostate (again inspired in part autobiographically), both of whom are tormented by leaving their ancestral community. The parts Khomeini used as justification for his fatwa are from nightmares the apostate has (which, spoiler alert, drive him into suicide in the end). In addition to the nightmares about Muhammad, he has a number of other nightmares in other religious contexts, and the most likely _real_ reason for Khomeini's fatwa is among them: a dream about a religious leader living in exile and then returning home which was modelled on Khomeini himself.

  • @ultraNewt
    @ultraNewt 2 года назад +23

    you know my usual sentiment is "damn I was born at the exact right generation" but when it comes to transportation I yearn for the days of steam trains and ocean liners

    • @emylily8266
      @emylily8266 2 года назад +6

      @Andrew Zimmerman well you can always work shit hours on a cargo ship and see the whole world! You can do that today too, but it's not as cool.

    • @sockjim9016
      @sockjim9016 2 года назад

      same, I just want to sail across the ocean on a nice pretty steamship

  • @rebeccabortolin4986
    @rebeccabortolin4986 2 года назад +10

    My great grandparents were on this! Both survived minus a couple broken bones

  • @schnoodle3
    @schnoodle3 2 года назад +37

    The SS Stockholm had a heck of a well engineered bow.

    • @williamchamberlain2263
      @williamchamberlain2263 2 года назад +6

      The front didn't fall off?

    • @kay9549
      @kay9549 3 месяца назад

      @schnoodle3 yes her bow was engineered to deal with rough seas and able to venture through the north seas in winter months. She was able to travel through the fyords. She was/is a beautiful ship, believe still in service. Even though she had been refurbished, renamed, reconstructed, flew under many flags of other countries; she will to this day a pride of Sweden.

  • @kingofthend
    @kingofthend 2 года назад +18

    When people talk about nukes I always think about how frighteningly easy it is to make chemical weapons. They don't get the attention they deserve.

    • @MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot
      @MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot 2 года назад +6

      The fact you can make like mustard gas completely by accident from chemicals sold right next to each other in the grocery store is just so wild when you really think about it.

    • @joshuahadams
      @joshuahadams 2 года назад +3

      it’s not _technically_ mustard gas, but it _can_ make hydrazine, a compound that reacts exothermically with some metals to produce ammonia, nitrogen, and hydrogen gasses. And can heat a combustion chamber up to 800°c in milliseconds.
      You won’t get all that much hydrazine from mixing cleaning products, but it is a rather nasty compound to have in a jar or something. Rockets and planes use it as both a monopropellant for manoeuvring thrusters and emergency power generators since it doesn’t need oxygen to do its thing.
      With some formaldehyde and a bit more complicated chemistry, you can turn it to unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine. A hypergolic propellant that reacts violently with oxygen. And is incredibly carcinogenic and toxic in general.

    • @maybemablemaples2144
      @maybemablemaples2144 2 года назад +1

      @@joshuahadams well that was educational

    • @ZealothPL
      @ZealothPL 2 года назад +1

      As far as I understand chemical weapons (at least the basic ones, not some super complex nerve agents) aren't actually that scary in open spaces simply due to the sheer amount you'd have to disperse to have a significant effect. Bhopal was a massacre, but they literally spewed something on the order of tonnes...(can't check on mobile)

  • @jamespocelinko104
    @jamespocelinko104 2 года назад +30

    Andrea Doria didn't sink.
    She just switched sides from being afloat to underwater.

  • @warmachine5835
    @warmachine5835 2 года назад +8

    I'll upgrade from high-vis to full-OSHA-compliance hard hat for an FBI-bait nuclear weapons bonus episode.

  • @lukeman9851
    @lukeman9851 Год назад +4

    You know, when you said "it has a reinforced prow for ice breaking so you can just ram an iceberg," I said to myself "yeah, or enemy ships like you're in a trireme."
    I did not know what was actually going to happen

  • @faragar1791
    @faragar1791 2 года назад +21

    If David Charles Hahn could build a nuclear reactor in his Dad's tool shed at the age of 17. I think it's more than possible for Justin to build a nuclear bomb in his basement. 😆
    P.S. You guys should do a video on "The Radioactive Boy Scout". I don't know if it counts as an "Engineering Disaster" but it should defiantly count as a "Safety 3rd".

    • @artistwithouttalent
      @artistwithouttalent Год назад

      I feel like it could definitely work as an episode (might be a bonus episode) but it definitely makes sense from a narrative perspective. If anything can be said to be a unifying factor in the myriad of disasters covered in this podcast, it can be said to be institutional failure, and that poor kid's life was one long chain of every institution failing him.

  • @iceman5117
    @iceman5117 2 года назад +6

    If you want to continue Italian month, there's the Seveso chemical disaster, which was the worst civilian exposure to Dioxin in history caused by the most Italian thing possible, government mandated weekends off

  • @Joe-vm6ds
    @Joe-vm6ds 2 года назад +4

    There’s a very real chance that Kid Rock saw the nuclear codes and knows how to build a hydrogen bomb and that’s the funniest thing to me

  • @Splattle101
    @Splattle101 2 года назад +13

    "They towed it out of the environment and put the front back on it." How I miss the late, great John Clark.

  • @ckape
    @ckape 2 года назад +17

    This is NOT cute, boats only do this when they are very distressed

  • @hpoz222
    @hpoz222 2 года назад +6

    andrea doria conspiracy theory: the boat just did that

  • @SALordBaxter
    @SALordBaxter 2 года назад +12

    I Support the right of private citizens to own nuclear weapons because it'd be really funny for a few minutes.

  • @ItzGuerrero
    @ItzGuerrero 2 года назад +22

    Alice your cop idea reminds me of the Seinfeld episode with the book detective, but I am 100% behind you, mostly because it would also have to investigate name-of-the-rose style mysteries.

    • @Joesolo13
      @Joesolo13 2 года назад +3

      Librarian Cops are probably the only ones I'd have uncritical support for

    • @maybemablemaples2144
      @maybemablemaples2144 2 года назад

      @@Joesolo13 only Lawfully big good I would allow

  • @TonusStoneshield
    @TonusStoneshield 2 года назад +24

    I'm genuinely impressed that Liam's audio continues to get worse over the years.

    • @jcardboard
      @jcardboard 2 года назад +2

      Is he on longwave radio or something?

    • @scarylion1roar
      @scarylion1roar 2 года назад +4

      Soon Liam's audio will just be a numbers channel we'll have to decode 😆

    • @jcardboard
      @jcardboard 2 года назад +2

      @@scarylion1roar and after that, a telegraph machine.

    • @BuddyBouncer
      @BuddyBouncer Год назад +1

      ​@@jcardboard And after that, handwritten letters delivered by a postal worker on a horse.

  • @ExperimentIV
    @ExperimentIV 2 года назад +62

    i’ve had a really really bad day and you three couldn’t have had better timing. thank you.

    • @Cinerary
      @Cinerary 2 года назад +1

      At least you had a better day than the ppl on the Andrea Doria

  • @ZaLaw1
    @ZaLaw1 2 года назад +11

    I joined your Patreon because of the the washing machine centrifuge joke. I hurt my self laughing. Thank you.

  • @GoredonTheDestroyer
    @GoredonTheDestroyer 2 года назад +16

    Weird how you and Maritime Horrors (Great channel by the way, give them a watch) both made an episode of the sinking of the Andrea Doria. I expect Plainly Difficult's follow up shortly.

  • @JV-the-Tossh
    @JV-the-Tossh 2 года назад +9

    Stockholm is, apparently, the oldest passenger ship still doing deep sea ocean routes.
    Scandinavian design really is built to last.

  • @Tom-lm2tc
    @Tom-lm2tc 2 года назад +24

    I swear all disaster series channels are on some kind of dicord where they all synchronise around WTYPPs topics

    • @mkepioneet
      @mkepioneet 2 года назад +6

      I was gonna say, Maritime Disasters did an episode on this (albeit far less fun)

    • @tomhsia4354
      @tomhsia4354 2 года назад +2

      Let me guess, CGP Grey is next.

  • @alexhall3587
    @alexhall3587 2 года назад +15

    Speaking of making nukes… the Rocky Flats nuclear weapon plant would be an excellent episode topic. The operational safety practices there were absolutely buck wild.

  • @thomaspalazzolo5902
    @thomaspalazzolo5902 2 года назад +5

    On the topic of making nuclear doodads, the boyscout who built a functional nuclear generator in his garage would be a hell of a topic for a WTYP episode.

  • @LostieTrekieTechie
    @LostieTrekieTechie 2 года назад +4

    The problem with leaking old nuclear codes is that you have just given time travellers the authority to launch nukes in the past.

  • @hoktauri
    @hoktauri 2 года назад +17

    WTYP always uploads when you most need it

  • @Madhouse_Media
    @Madhouse_Media 2 года назад +17

    The bell of Andrea Doria is on display aboard Astoria. Kind of like a killer taking a trophy.

    • @ExperimentIV
      @ExperimentIV 2 года назад +1

      no, the bell from the stockholm is on the astoria

  • @Amarok41
    @Amarok41 2 года назад +5

    I didn’t survive the Andrea Doria sinking but I survived the WTYP Andrea Doria episode.

  • @zuthalsoraniz6764
    @zuthalsoraniz6764 2 года назад +10

    28:00 SS Great Western averaged 16 days on the westbound crossing, and 13 days 9 hours eastbound between 1838 and 1840. By 1883, SS Alaska had pushed the record times for both directions under a week.
    Also Alice, the obvious solution to the problem of dirty ships is The Power of the Atom. Bring back civilian nuclear ships, and you could cross the Atlantic in three and a half days with zero emissions!

    • @doorhanger9317
      @doorhanger9317 2 года назад

      This is what I've been saying!

    • @ZealothPL
      @ZealothPL 2 года назад +1

      If we are balling, why not do it in a hydrofoil? I wonder if they could be made into ocean capable with nuclear power lol. (I did get to travel in one when I was a kid, that thing is crazy)

  • @fauxpinkytoo
    @fauxpinkytoo 2 года назад +7

    Love you all! So glad you are covering the Andrea Doria... I will be saving this podcast for later this evening, as I am high as balls at the 'mo. Hope you remember actress Ruth Roman, who was onboard the ship with her son Richard. She had quite a harrowing account. Wow, WTYP really gets me through when I'm down. Hello, dear Alice! Hiya, Justin! Yay, Liam!!
    Also? The SL-1 reactor explosion of 1961, or maybe the exploits of the 2nd Pacific Fleet during the Sino/Russian war of 1903-5 would be fascinating. The stories about the Kamchatka *alone* could fill a few hours... 10/10 with flying binoculars.

  • @AsbestosMuffins
    @AsbestosMuffins 2 года назад +4

    these post war steam liners are also incredibly safe because they're amade almost entirely out of asbestos

    • @Electrolux219
      @Electrolux219 2 года назад

      Well the boat certainly didn’t catch on fire, in fact it you could say it had the opposite problem…

  • @sunyavadin
    @sunyavadin 2 года назад +6

    To be fair, based on my sample size of *checks notes* this podcast, the purpose of ocean liners does indeed appear to be lining the bottom of the ocean.

  • @spyone4828
    @spyone4828 2 года назад +4

    Surprisingly flammable aerosols: in high school a friend discovered that an over-the-counter can of a spray topical anesthetic intended for use on severe burns - specifically including third degree burns -was ... remarkably flammable. Low ignition point, high burning temperature. Among the 1001 uses we found for it, he melted all the wax off a birthday cake candle in seconds leaving just the wick.

  • @conkerfromopako
    @conkerfromopako 2 года назад +15

    Going to be the weird Chapo defender and say that Matt meant the opposite that was understood by that tweet (he clarified on the pod): that of all the dumb stuff Trump took home, including apparently giving nuclear secrets to the saudis, which Matt said meant Trump should be executed, expired nuclear codes are the dumbest thing to fixate upon

  • @gendershrapnel
    @gendershrapnel 2 года назад +5

    23 minutes in, and you're still talking about nukes. I love this show.

  • @absenceofgravitas
    @absenceofgravitas 2 года назад +9

    Got to admit I was not expecting Liam to be the literate one who read and enjoyed The Satanic Verses

    • @Daneelro
      @Daneelro 2 года назад +8

      Sadly, Alice who didn't read it gave an opinion that is the typical example of why you shouldn't do literary criticism based on short quotes.

  • @alexroselle
    @alexroselle 2 года назад +4

    talking about Modernist ocean liners and Futurist ocean liners got me thinking if there's ever been a Brutalist ocean liner. I know there have been concrete ships (none very successful), but a cruise ship shaped like Boston City Hall or your average post-war university library is a fun thought experiment.

  • @unistrut
    @unistrut 2 года назад +14

    Is the PO Box still open? I got something bounced back last time. It was not food, anthrax or a letter bomb.

    • @ContinentalFan
      @ContinentalFan 2 года назад +1

      Keeping the PO box open would require investing Patreon funds.

  • @whatsoperadoc7050
    @whatsoperadoc7050 2 года назад +14

    "further clarification in writing to the FBI: we do not actually have any intention to procure or construct nuclear weapons please do not arrest us tia"
    Cowards.

  • @Marlanson
    @Marlanson 2 года назад +13

    That's what i needed after my latest duolingo italian lesson

  • @chad3232132
    @chad3232132 2 года назад +3

    Anyone remember the Curb Your Enthusiasm Fatwa season? It basically played out like that for Salman Rushdie. The Fatwa was finally called off, but at the end of the season, an assassin who didn't get the message came across Larry David.

  • @Sir.Craze-
    @Sir.Craze- 2 года назад +6

    Ah, that instant smile.
    Thank you, lady and gentelmen. for continuing to expertly craft such a stupid, goofy, low stakes piece of art for us to enjoy.
    I commend you all! 🎩👌

  • @frank6842
    @frank6842 2 года назад +17

    Thank you so much, I'm doing Uber eats and this gives me something to watch after dealing with crazy people on the road like Liam

    • @iamjustkiwi
      @iamjustkiwi 2 года назад +3

      This is a true working person keeping us lazy fucks fed! That deserves a salute.

    • @eleSDSU
      @eleSDSU 2 года назад +4

      @@iamjustkiwi That deserves a living wage and a job security but I guess a salute is something.

    • @frank6842
      @frank6842 2 года назад +4

      @@eleSDSU if you want to get even more depressed, I bring up unionizing to any other drivers I see. And they usually just laugh. Depressing times out here

  • @jeremy6732
    @jeremy6732 2 года назад +6

    This podcast has made me fear tunnels with cars, or anything that can burn

  • @AdmiralSenn
    @AdmiralSenn 2 года назад +11

    I love the episodes where Roz is in full chaos troll mode. The fact that they're rare only makes them more appreciated.
    Oh, sorry. Future Hydrogen Bomb Owner Roz.

  • @jacobvardy
    @jacobvardy 2 года назад +9

    So I'm not the only one to develop a phobia from WTYP. It's bridges for me.

  • @SeamusCameron
    @SeamusCameron 2 года назад +6

    When the Stockholm slide showed up with it coming into harbor.
    All I could think was, "why are all the tug boats looking at me... is there something on my face?".

  • @Stealth86651
    @Stealth86651 2 года назад +6

    Just wanted to say thanks for the effort/content, it's greatly appreciated.

  • @alongfortheride84
    @alongfortheride84 2 года назад +9

    Every time I hear about a Jungle Jim's location still in operation I'm just astounded. It's like...the cockroach of Atlantic Canada's most mediocre, small to medium-scale food and beverage franchises, which is really saying something (respectful nods to Greco Pizza and Captain Sub). What a fucking obscure reference!

    • @joshuahadams
      @joshuahadams Год назад

      There’s three in Nova Scotia, five in New Brunswick, and then **sixteen** in Newfoundland and Labrador, with three of them being in St. John’s.

  • @CommieGIR
    @CommieGIR 2 года назад +14

    Standard Fission bombs are easy. Its mostly enriched Uranium, shaped charges and tampers. A simple gun device bomb is easy to do.
    Hydrogen bombs are a whole different mess: You need a standard fission device plus tritium for boosting plus a plutonium spark plug plus some knowledge that has not been publicly shared. Its a significant step up and takes a significant industrial and scientific base.

    • @jeandrepeach
      @jeandrepeach 2 года назад +3

      @@EmeraldLavigne Israel once traded 30g of tritium for ~50 tons of yellowcake with South Africa