The risky watch is RM'S. NO WAY $400 WORTH OF CARBON IS WORTH $500,000. People are getting shot for their RM. They are a very trend happy watch. When the market crashing, crypto gets wacked there won't be any buyers for these watches. A watch you can't even wear it black tie without looking like a clown watch. Last show everyone was selling, not so much buying. Looking for normal. 36 mm is the perfect size
I'm with you 💯 yeah I don't want to lose thousands after I buy a watch so I usually go for iconic models but for a investment putting in a safe and never wearing it? Hell 👎 NO buy and enjoy its that simple
I'm a pretty active stock & options trader, and one thing I love about that VS watches: hedging. If a watch's value goes up and you're worried about it suddenly dropping in value, your only real option is is sell it. It's very binary; you sell or you hold. With stocks or options, if I have a solid gain and I'm worried about losing the profits but I don't want to outright sell the position, then I hedge! I buy a put option, short a call option, buy some VIX, etc. There's any number of ways I can protect the position from short term volatility and draw downs. Watches...there's just no way to do that. Maybe we need a watch derivatives market?....
I know it's all the rave but I can't take watches seriously as an investment. Maybe as inflation adjusted heirlooms it makes sense, but only if your outlook is more than a decade. If you want to effectively lock in a value, you're in a good place in life to part ways with that money and you don't have to think about it, and you have no intension of selling the watch for more than 10 years (and it's from a reputable brand and maybe fine metals), *then* watches maybe are an investment. I think liquidity is the main factor. Everyone thinks they have paper gains and are rich when the market is great, but the problem is in market conditions when it's time to sell a watch because you need cash, everyone else is also selling watches and you can't find buyers at the price you want. You're a forced seller in a market with no real buyers. Think 2008 when people were trying to sell anything to cover their mortgages. I'd rather think of my collection of watches as heirlooms to pass down to family members.
You’re not wrong but having landed a sub date from AD in 2021 it’s hard to ignore the appreciation. Also there’s more millionaires than ever, recession doesn’t hit everyone the same. Hard to say it’s not the new normal with a larger wealthy class in the game hunting too.
Bro i’m with you. I recently have become obsessed with horological history and the different specs of watches but I can’t take the “investment pieces” seriously at all. To be fair though, Bitcoin still makes me laugh if that tells you anything about my investment knowledge.
Yes, the vast majority of watches are NOT investments. Allocated and discontinued PP, Rolex and AP are fairly safe. They will likely drop from crazy highs but I do believe new norms will be established. eg: Hulks may not be $30K in two years, but you won’t ever buy a Hulk for 8500-10k again. You just won’t because the readily available alternatives have upstreamed so much too. With Royal Oaks and Nautalis where there are at, Rolex sport watches at 30K kinda make sense. So when the top dogs fall a bit, so will the others. But again, I think a Royal Oak probably has a floor around 30K at this point, which would bring a Hulk back down to say 17K. There are simply enough people who want certain models and dealers with deep pockets don’t need to rush sell their inventory.
Thanks guys. Sometimes I forget why I tune into the channel and then you start talking about some vintage watch that is way interesting. Maybe one that I might have bought or was seriously looking to buy. Such as the Rolex Fat Boy. Keep it real and keep doing the right thing!
Awesome conversations as always. Lots of people are seeing watches as investments these days, and there is no denying the money that is to be made if you have the pockets to do so. However I am sure that as watch enthusiasts we can also agree that there is an investment in how happy a watch makes you feel when you wear it. The investment in happiness would be an interesting conversation to hear your perspectives on.
How in the hell could you miss the IWC Ingenieur that's actually an original Genta design? The Chopard AE a.k.a the St Moritz? This time you really got busted..
Personally, I can’t stand the way that circular bezel transitions to an octagon dial on the BVGLARI -or just all the dead space in general. Not for me.
Hulks weren't very interesting years ago and that trend will come back...if you can get 25k to 30k for it, I recommend you do it because that will be a money dump eventually imo...
I also do not understand wy they do not make the octo finissimo in....35/36 mm. They could sell thousands ! Omega, Rolex, Breitling etc did it ! And by the way, it tooks me some time to find a wellfitting AP R0 in 33 mm from 2004 (15000ST, designed by Mme. J. Dimier herself). Perfect proportions and fits my whrist so good ! Let's go Signore Buonamassa !
The Mickey is a retrograde movement. It's going to be expensive just based on mechanical complexity. I deeply dislike Disney. I think the Mickey watch is extremely cool and would be way cooler if it had some other mascot on it. Or no mascot - just the movement.
@@kyle_vr most offerings from Oris and Sinn will lean heavily into the tool watch category. Nomos has a bunch of offerings but most are more in the dress watch category and aren’t that durable for every abuse. Do you mind buying preowned?
Hearing the words "watch" and "investment" are such a turn off especially for true horologists. I get the trend now is looking for pieces that can increase or at least hold their value in the after market but I believe that's the problem with the overall luxury watch market right now especially with people just wanted to buy and flip all the Big 3 (Rolex, PP, AP). I think people have come to realize that they can put their money on these "tangible assets" and treat it like the stock market or crypto in a way, which definitely ruins the experience for genuine collectors and just people who wants that singular piece to give it either to themselves or to a loved one. Crazy world we live in now.
Completely agree on the Hulk. I had the opportunity to buy 3 from AD over the course of time and only bought one. It’s my daily wear and the issue with selling it at $28K now is there isn’t a good substitute. I highly doubt a Hulk drops back down into the teens, unless Rolex throws a green dial on the new sub line immediately, which would be dumb. Rolex is good at keeping ppl wanting what they can’t get.
Havanna is better than the Blue? How have you seen a Brown Sky? or Brown water? A white Rolls? Yeah if you are getting married... Next thing you be saying that you want to date Joan Collins You guys are young, NOT old men.
F.P. Journe are a lot more safe investment than Rolex. FPJ are perfect and made in small quantity so regardless it will go up. Rolex are made in much higher numbers, the risk with the Hulk is let's say Rolex bring it back with better movement etc. people will look for the newer better watch.
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The risky watch is RM'S. NO WAY $400 WORTH OF CARBON IS WORTH $500,000. People are getting shot for their RM. They are a very trend happy watch. When the market crashing, crypto gets wacked there won't be any buyers for these watches. A watch you can't even wear it black tie without looking like a clown watch. Last show everyone was selling, not so much buying. Looking for normal. 36 mm is the perfect size
Watches as investments is something i descpite.
A watch is ment to be worn, not just bought and stored as a future investment.
He’s not simply a collector. He sells watches too. So it’s definitely important for him to make a profit.
I'm with you 💯 yeah I don't want to lose thousands after I buy a watch so I usually go for iconic models but for a investment putting in a safe and never wearing it? Hell 👎 NO buy and enjoy its that simple
Video about the MoonSwatches coming soon? That Mars one looks the best imo, fun and interesting
i love uranus brown and stinky
“MoonSwatch” sounds so unimaginative, they should be called “Sweedy-s”, instead.
@@Raphael-fn9dr the sweedmaster
@@garrinthewatchmaker yes
🔥🔥🔥
Christian, Freddie Mercury called, he wants his mustache back.
I kid I kid, love the content
I'm a pretty active stock & options trader, and one thing I love about that VS watches: hedging. If a watch's value goes up and you're worried about it suddenly dropping in value, your only real option is is sell it. It's very binary; you sell or you hold.
With stocks or options, if I have a solid gain and I'm worried about losing the profits but I don't want to outright sell the position, then I hedge! I buy a put option, short a call option, buy some VIX, etc. There's any number of ways I can protect the position from short term volatility and draw downs. Watches...there's just no way to do that. Maybe we need a watch derivatives market?....
21:54 killed me haha
It's weird, green is my favorite color too, but I have no desire to own a watch with a green dial.
I know it's all the rave but I can't take watches seriously as an investment. Maybe as inflation adjusted heirlooms it makes sense, but only if your outlook is more than a decade. If you want to effectively lock in a value, you're in a good place in life to part ways with that money and you don't have to think about it, and you have no intension of selling the watch for more than 10 years (and it's from a reputable brand and maybe fine metals), *then* watches maybe are an investment. I think liquidity is the main factor. Everyone thinks they have paper gains and are rich when the market is great, but the problem is in market conditions when it's time to sell a watch because you need cash, everyone else is also selling watches and you can't find buyers at the price you want. You're a forced seller in a market with no real buyers. Think 2008 when people were trying to sell anything to cover their mortgages. I'd rather think of my collection of watches as heirlooms to pass down to family members.
You’re not wrong but having landed a sub date from AD in 2021 it’s hard to ignore the appreciation. Also there’s more millionaires than ever, recession doesn’t hit everyone the same. Hard to say it’s not the new normal with a larger wealthy class in the game hunting too.
Nailed it right on the head with this comment.
Bro i’m with you. I recently have become obsessed with horological history and the different specs of watches but I can’t take the “investment pieces” seriously at all. To be fair though, Bitcoin still makes me laugh if that tells you anything about my investment knowledge.
Yes, the vast majority of watches are NOT investments. Allocated and discontinued PP, Rolex and AP are fairly safe. They will likely drop from crazy highs but I do believe new norms will be established. eg: Hulks may not be $30K in two years, but you won’t ever buy a Hulk for 8500-10k again. You just won’t because the readily available alternatives have upstreamed so much too. With Royal Oaks and Nautalis where there are at, Rolex sport watches at 30K kinda make sense. So when the top dogs fall a bit, so will the others. But again, I think a Royal Oak probably has a floor around 30K at this point, which would bring a Hulk back down to say 17K. There are simply enough people who want certain models and dealers with deep pockets don’t need to rush sell their inventory.
Exactly.
Did I miss the second half of the Omega releases video?
When a steel version of a watch hits the gold versions price, I'm 150% out.
Some of those Patek steel prices reached absurdity.
A Lange 1 comes in two sizes, 38.5mm which is the first iteration and then there was another model introduced in 42 mm.
Congrats on the RUclips plaque guys! Well deserved. Love the content. 🤓
Thanks guys. Sometimes I forget why I tune into the channel and then you start talking about some vintage watch that is way interesting. Maybe one that I might have bought or was seriously looking to buy. Such as the Rolex Fat Boy. Keep it real and keep doing the right thing!
Awesome conversations as always. Lots of people are seeing watches as investments these days, and there is no denying the money that is to be made if you have the pockets to do so. However I am sure that as watch enthusiasts we can also agree that there is an investment in how happy a watch makes you feel when you wear it. The investment in happiness would be an interesting conversation to hear your perspectives on.
Congrats guys. Watch content that is informative while making me laugh Is right at that sweet spot.
How in the hell could you miss the IWC Ingenieur that's actually an original Genta design? The Chopard AE a.k.a the St Moritz? This time you really got busted..
Was just talking about the cartier crash just yesterday as one of my dream watches.
Who you think buys Genta sketches..I mean what type of person? collector? Investor? Art dealer? Great content anyhow
Personally, I can’t stand the way that circular bezel transitions to an octagon dial on the BVGLARI -or just all the dead space in general. Not for me.
Just purchased a new medium Santos, how do you think it will do
Hulks weren't very interesting years ago and that trend will come back...if you can get 25k to 30k for it, I recommend you do it because that will be a money dump eventually imo...
Pfff a crash for 45k… Only in my dreams. I love that watch to bits
I also do not understand wy they do not make the octo finissimo in....35/36 mm. They could sell thousands ! Omega, Rolex, Breitling etc did it ! And by the way, it tooks me some time to find a wellfitting AP R0 in 33 mm from 2004 (15000ST, designed by Mme. J. Dimier herself). Perfect proportions and fits my whrist so good ! Let's go Signore Buonamassa !
Great conversation as always…thanks guys…
Nice shout to my dude Badartnicewatch for his sketch!!
Talk about the Omega x Swatch Collab !! 🔥🔥
Why does Christian’s hair always look like a dropped soap
Curious now that hulks are trading so much lower what you think?
A word of advice concerning investments: don’t count your chickens before they hatched
I love Zenith I need to add a Zenith chronomaster tri color 42mm and a Zenith tipo cp2 43mm in the future
The Mickey is a retrograde movement. It's going to be expensive just based on mechanical complexity. I deeply dislike Disney. I think the Mickey watch is extremely cool and would be way cooler if it had some other mascot on it. Or no mascot - just the movement.
Oris, Sinn or Nomos. Best first (sub-luxury) watch under 2,000? 🤔
EDIT: An 'All-rounder' already have a dive watch.
Depends what you want. Diver, sports, everyday, or dress?
sinn 556i
Does the all-rounder need to dress up?
@@brett2396 Ideally - not a complete tool watch I suppose.
@@kyle_vr most offerings from Oris and Sinn will lean heavily into the tool watch category. Nomos has a bunch of offerings but most are more in the dress watch category and aren’t that durable for every abuse. Do you mind buying preowned?
Could you just talk about the plastic omegas already, thank you!
Let's not fool ourselves. Its still a swatch, not a plastic omega
Like it's not being talked about enough already
Congrats on the achievement keep up the good work
21:00 - Interesting discussion
Magic spoon is the shit!!!!!!! I ordered it the last time y’all showed it.
Rose gold yachty is spot on !
Hearing the words "watch" and "investment" are such a turn off especially for true horologists. I get the trend now is looking for pieces that can increase or at least hold their value in the after market but I believe that's the problem with the overall luxury watch market right now especially with people just wanted to buy and flip all the Big 3 (Rolex, PP, AP). I think people have come to realize that they can put their money on these "tangible assets" and treat it like the stock market or crypto in a way, which definitely ruins the experience for genuine collectors and just people who wants that singular piece to give it either to themselves or to a loved one. Crazy world we live in now.
Hi Asim, have you heard about the new moonswatch?
What happened to the price of high horology during WW2?
Watch out there is a scammer contacting everyone posting messages ….
Completely agree on the Hulk. I had the opportunity to buy 3 from AD over the course of time and only bought one. It’s my daily wear and the issue with selling it at $28K now is there isn’t a good substitute. I highly doubt a Hulk drops back down into the teens, unless Rolex throws a green dial on the new sub line immediately, which would be dumb. Rolex is good at keeping ppl wanting what they can’t get.
@Yorkiepoocharlie they could. I don’t see it happening this year but maybe I’ll be eating my words next week. Time will tell
@Yorkiepoocharlie no new hulk. I think we’ll see a gold hulk before we see a steel hulk again.
You forgot piaget with the polo S
Keeping my hulk too!
Congrats, boys!
Imagine paying 40k for a Hulk. 😂
Congrats guys you deserve it.
Wearing a Mickey Mouse watch is a nice way to remind yourself, not to take yourself too serious.
Cartier chras is simetric like Rolex Daytona ..
Hey Christian what happened to Anna ???????????
Yeah you’re right haven’t seen her in ages
Yeah you’re right haven’t seen her in ages
Yeah you’re right haven’t seen her in ages
Yeah you’re right haven’t seen her in ages
Yeah you’re right haven’t seen her in ages
I miss Anna.
Loving the new thumbnails
Biggest score grey market dealers.
So neither of your names are theo or Harris?
Havanna is better than the Blue?
How have you seen a Brown Sky? or Brown water?
A white Rolls? Yeah if you are getting married...
Next thing you be saying that you want to date Joan Collins
You guys are young, NOT old men.
F.P. Journe are a lot more safe investment than Rolex. FPJ are perfect and made in small quantity so regardless it will go up. Rolex are made in much higher numbers, the risk with the Hulk is let's say Rolex bring it back with better movement etc. people will look for the newer better watch.
I will not be the 4th😎⌚️✌️
Slow on the moonswatch news
Please stop drinking when your Mike is on , it sounds gross 🤮
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