My husband and I love your videos! You are both hilarious, especially together, and we gain knowledge of trails each time! Please make more videos!!! :)
LMBO!! "Digging out of the trash." I don't usually like listen to random conversations but I actually enjoyed watching you guys. The laughter is what helped. Not finished watching but it would be cool to hear what gear and bike you own.
Re-watching, as we’re doing this route this weekend! With lows in the 30s, though, we’re staying indoors at the bike hostel in Mitchell… not feelin’ as tough as you two! Love your videos. You guys are so adorable. ☺️
"We’re into global warming” 😂 So good! Loving the consistency. My wife and I fell off our channel for a bit but I’m hoping to start doing more bikepacking videos and find some consistency again. You’ve definitely given me a lot of inspiration as of late. Thank you!🙌🏼
@@pnwbikepacking haha, absolutely! I don’t know that I’ll film the Monumental Loop next month since I feel like I need an actual “vacation” from life but we’ll see if I can find some motivation there.
@@Trailvagabonds Ahh thats right Queen's Ransom is for NEXT year! Monumental Loop looks like sweet route! I subbed just incase you get fired up and make a clip! Will be good beta for me 😉. Either way, hope you guys have an awesome time!
Great channel guys. I've probably watched most of your videos at least twice. It's like classic top gear or the grand tour. The buddy humor is great. Keep it up, you're much appreciated. And sell stickers!
You guys have inspired me to explore TOO. The Oregon Outback. I'm up in Yakima. My practice has only been a couple 1 night camp outs to Tempico & Fort Simco.
OK, fellas, storing a chicken dinner in the trash and then enjoying a meal, together, … on a toilet … I literally just spit my coffee out of my nose laughing. I’m also a bit triggered from some of my own past experiences. Outstanding video, thx a ton for route 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Hah I hope the experience it triggered for you was as fun as ours 🙌. Glad you enjoyed it and hope you get out there and do the route before it gets too hot!
Another fine video of the Dynamic Duo. Chris, you are correct about that route is too hot in the summer. I rode out of Mitchell with a group in 98°F weather going up the 8 mile long hill.😜 The painted hills were worth it. The rattle snakes. Not so much.
Oooof that sounds so brutal! 98 degrees?!?!? I don’t think Rob or I would I’d have even considered it! You’re way tougher than us!!! Glad you enjoyed the video! Next time it’s 98 degrees, head for a ride like goat mountain gusto or Siouxon!!! Chase that water!
Man, I felt cold just watching you guys freeze on the ride - being cold on a ride isn’t fun yet I ride during winter here in Colorado. As for frost covering your tent, that has to fall into the category of Type II fun…😂🤪 Thanks for sharing, sir 🤟🤙
You're making me feel like my bikepacking trip to the San Juan Island's during the same weekend a tropical one! Great video and adventure as always, thanks Chris!
@@pnwbikepacking I rode onto the ferry and did an easy overnighter on Orcas Island (40 miles, 4200" gain). I 've Island hopped before as well, depending on the amount of time I have. Surprisingly, some decent elevation gain on all of the islands but nothing too sustained except for the Mt. Constitution climb on Orcas. Plenty of options regarding camping on all the islands; Lopez, Shaw, San Juan, Orcas. Even a couple Islands in near proximity from the main islands to packraft to without any dangerous water crossings. bonus...Breweries and wineries on all the islands except for Shaw!
I just found this channel yesterday and was hooked immediately. I think I will be taking an overnighted next weekend. Y’all got me super motivated. Keep putting out the amazing content.
Hey Chris, love the videos. Your's and Rob's stoke has inspired me, I'm thinking of heading out to do this route in the next few weeks before it gets too hot! Do you have any info/beta for parking in Condon? Is there hassle-free overnight parking in town?
Hey Thomas! Good idea to do this before it gets too hot out! I think we just parked just off the main road in Condon. I can't remember specifics. Often times we will ask a local if its okay to park there overnight (or if there is a better spot). I think you'll have several safe options in Condon. Have a blast!
There is an excellent bike hostel named Spoke'n Hostel in Mitchell, OR run by a super friendly woman. It isn't far from Tiger Town Brewing. Too bad they are on their annual winter closure until March 16, 2023. Highly recommended!
I used to hang out with a buddy and we always joked around. It was great. We used to ride together. Just friends but he now has a GF that is too insecure to let him hang out with him. It such a bummer but now I just have to find someone that laughs at my jokes without hesitation. lol
Mexico is good for bikepacking too :) Maybe you two will be inspired (from your personal experience with bikepacking) to come up with some new innovative bikepacking products???? I already know of two that no one has created yet :). If you two ever get near of getting married toa significant other during your journey in life , have them go on a lengthy bike tour in order to reveal themselves to you (you two will be in harsher living conditions) to see if that person and yourself is really a true match.
Usually we don't sleep head to toe and I let Rob take the side with more head room (That's just the kind of guy I am! I bet he has never even noticed that!). Decided to try it this time and I thought it was definitely the way to go.
You’re right Chris I didn’t notice. But thanks for that and being such a nice guy and always setting up the tent. I know you’re tired and it takes a lot of time and energy! I didn’t like sleeping head to toe because Chris kept moving his feet all night and waking me up. But the worst part was I got 0 snuggles sleeping that way. Boo! 👎
@PNW Bikepacking I've got to get a mtn bike. Your adventures are amazing. Just did a 25 mile road / bike path rode around Phx area. Im so over the road cycling.
Thanks for another fun vid. By the way, I just downsized from a pickup to an Outback. (It looked like that was what you were driving) I'm looking to get a hitch rack. Any feedback or issues with the Subaru/1Up combination? That rack is on my list as a possibility.
Hey Rick! Thanks for watching! No issues with the Outback 1up combo, it’s been great. My only complaint is that my version doesn’t have a pin to keep the rack locked in. I put a ulock on it so it would never fall out… I think they may have addressed this in newer models
That looks like an awesome ride. I think I can handle being cold on almost any part of my body except my hands. What rear racks are you guys using? One looks like an Aeroe.
Yeah frozen hands sucks! Rob gets it worse in the feet. I was using the Spider Aeroe Rack, I can't remember the name of the rack Rob uses. I've used the Spider Aeroe Rack on a handful of trips now. Besides being heavy, and IMO ugly haha, the thing is rock solid and super versatile!
i know they sell hot hands and toe warmers in that general store. can't think of a better application. i nearly got heatstroke there last spring until i got to the rest area sprinklers at the painted hills. an area of extremes.
What up Dawg?!? We just improvise based on what we have. First choice is to hang it on something but then you kind of have to do the best you can. The real trick is keeping out the mice. I have hung a dry bag off my bike and I have also put it in the tent with us. It’s usually not a huge issue in the really dry areas.
@@RobParker8 Thanks Rob! We're doing the Great Rift route on Ride with GPS, and while I've ridden plenty through desert areas, this will be my first with several nights in them.
@@RobParker8 Whew, what a ride! We were really aggressive in our daily mileage goals, so no videos; don't see a way to post a few photos here, but happy to send to you if you send me an email, etc.
Hah, truthfully I think we do. There is a lot of stuff that either doesn't make the video or we didn't have the camera out to capture it. There is also a lot of just riding without goofing around. But I think Rob and I both have a positive / stoked mentality when we are out adventuring, we're just happy to be doing it, and try not to take it too seriously.
What you see in these clips that Chris makes is the real deal. Minus some more cursing and me having that regret can of wine. We just rode together all day this Saturday in the rain, soaked to the bone, no cameras and reminisced about how it made us feel like kids again. He’s a cool guy that’s fun to be around even when the conditions are not perfect.
Thanks for taking the time to respond fellas . Greatly appreciate , and as I said before , you tell great stories and I really enjoy following along. You inspire to make some " get out there and do shit plans" for when the snow melts here
Hey Alvin! I am riding a Why Cycles El Jefe and Rob is riding a Surly Krampus! Both bikes are fabulous! We were totally overbiked for this route but they did the job!
I can't say for certain, and Rob probably won't know without double checking, but I am pretty sure they are Maxxis Ramblers 700x40. Compared to the beefy 2.6 tire we have been riding, they looked so fragile! Fortunately, no flats!
Soooo……I just went out to the garage and looked because Chris is right, as usual. I have no clue what they are. I just grabbed some skinny tires because I was scared. They are Maxxis Rambler 700x 50 EXO TR. How do you even know that, Wilson? And what do all those numbers and letters mean???? I don’t care they worked great. 😂 Cheers 🍻
Hey are you guys running tubes? Reason I ask is I run tubeless and don't change tires til they wear out, cause I don't want to deal with the sealant mess. Or--maybe you know a trick! 🙂
We are using tubeless tires and usually we always bring a tube incase of a massive blow out. (Except the times I miss place the tube Chris just gave me) When I change tires. I do it in the yard and hose everything off. The sealant cleans up real easy. I also buy the sealant by the quart.
Nah brah. Sleeping bag was plenty warm. Though if there was some kind of inclement weather coupled with a tent failure… you better believe I’d be on that bathroom floor!
I love how bike packers do things homeless people get so much harassment for, and bike packers show someone a bike a get away with things normally they themselves would be calling the city or county on someone for doing. Two men “warming up” in public washrooms using open flames to cook and drinking alcohol is ok to me when everyone is allowed to do it. Bike packing genuinely seems like the more you embrace your inner bum, The better you will be. At bike packing anywhoo.
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"Better make friends with adversity and you will never be lonely" Emmy worthy writing. Thanks again for sharing.😆
Hah thanks for watching Steve, glad you enjoyed it.
this channel is so underrated
Thanks Izael!
My husband and I love your videos! You are both hilarious, especially together, and we gain knowledge of trails each time! Please make more videos!!! :)
Thank you! Stoked you like the videos! I am technically 4 adventures behind in making videos!! Ahh!! So hopefully more to come soon :)
LMBO!! "Digging out of the trash." I don't usually like listen to random conversations but I actually enjoyed watching you guys. The laughter is what helped. Not finished watching but it would be cool to hear what gear and bike you own.
Re-watching, as we’re doing this route this weekend! With lows in the 30s, though, we’re staying indoors at the bike hostel in Mitchell… not feelin’ as tough as you two! Love your videos. You guys are so adorable. ☺️
Beautiful route, and great video! The garbage chicken 🤣omg. Thanks for sharing!
Central Oregon has a unique beauty to it! Thanks for watching!
"We’re into global warming” 😂 So good! Loving the consistency. My wife and I fell off our channel for a bit but I’m hoping to start doing more bikepacking videos and find some consistency again. You’ve definitely given me a lot of inspiration as of late. Thank you!🙌🏼
Heck yeah! I’ll be waiting for your queens ransom video to drop 😁
@@pnwbikepacking haha, absolutely! I don’t know that I’ll film the Monumental Loop next month since I feel like I need an actual “vacation” from life but we’ll see if I can find some motivation there.
@@Trailvagabonds Ahh thats right Queen's Ransom is for NEXT year! Monumental Loop looks like sweet route! I subbed just incase you get fired up and make a clip! Will be good beta for me 😉. Either way, hope you guys have an awesome time!
Thanks for sharing another great route. Glad the days warmed up for you two!
Thanks Corrine!!! So excited for more daylight and warmer drier weather!
Great channel guys. I've probably watched most of your videos at least twice. It's like classic top gear or the grand tour. The buddy humor is great. Keep it up, you're much appreciated. And sell stickers!
“Easy transition”…classic Rob!
Yet another awesome video!
As always, thanks for watching Fred!
You guys have inspired me to explore TOO. The Oregon Outback. I'm up in Yakima. My practice has only been a couple 1 night camp outs to Tempico & Fort Simco.
Hell yeah man! The Oregon Outback is a great goal! Get after it!
You boys never disappoint. Glad to see you out there enjoying the sun and enduring the cold.
Thanks Jason! We were stoked to find somewhere dry!
Another great video love the story telling and inspiration
Thank you!!! So excited for more daylight and warmer drier weather!
Hilarious breakfast room 😊 thanks for the video
Glad you enjoyed it!
OK, fellas, storing a chicken dinner in the trash and then enjoying a meal, together, … on a toilet … I literally just spit my coffee out of my nose laughing. I’m also a bit triggered from some of my own past experiences. Outstanding video, thx a ton for route 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Hah I hope the experience it triggered for you was as fun as ours 🙌. Glad you enjoyed it and hope you get out there and do the route before it gets too hot!
That was one cold looking morning. Another good team effort. Thanks for the video and take care, Al
As always, thanks Al.
You guys are comedy, remind me of my friend and I. It's awesome to have someone along for a hell ride. Keep the adventures coming.
Yeah it's great to have a buddy who enjoys a sufferfest with you! Thanks for watching!
Super comme d'habitude 😂😂
Another fine video of the Dynamic Duo.
Chris, you are correct about that route is too hot in the summer.
I rode out of Mitchell with a group in 98°F weather going up the 8 mile long hill.😜 The painted hills were worth it. The rattle snakes. Not so much.
Oooof that sounds so brutal! 98 degrees?!?!? I don’t think Rob or I would I’d have even considered it! You’re way tougher than us!!! Glad you enjoyed the video! Next time it’s 98 degrees, head for a ride like goat mountain gusto or Siouxon!!! Chase that water!
Man, I felt cold just watching you guys freeze on the ride - being cold on a ride isn’t fun yet I ride during winter here in Colorado. As for frost covering your tent, that has to fall into the category of Type II fun…😂🤪
Thanks for sharing, sir 🤟🤙
It can be kind of fun if you are with a friend suffering together, especially if they are suffering more than you!
This's So Good!❤
Amazing as ever! Trash can chicken in a bathroom…that’s a first for me 😂 But smiles all around, as always!
Thanks for watching Jamie. Haha, I’ve probably had coffee or breakfast in a bathroom with Parker before, I can’t remember. Always a good time though!
Your videos make me happy, and want beer.
You're making me feel like my bikepacking trip to the San Juan Island's during the same weekend a tropical one! Great video and adventure as always, thanks Chris!
Thanks dude! Oooh tropical weekend in the San Juans! I'd love to hear more about the route!
@@pnwbikepacking I rode onto the ferry and did an easy overnighter on Orcas Island (40 miles, 4200" gain). I 've Island hopped before as well, depending on the amount of time I have. Surprisingly, some decent elevation gain on all of the islands but nothing too sustained except for the Mt. Constitution climb on Orcas. Plenty of options regarding camping on all the islands; Lopez, Shaw, San Juan, Orcas. Even a couple Islands in near proximity from the main islands to packraft to without any dangerous water crossings. bonus...Breweries and wineries on all the islands except for Shaw!
You two are friggin hilarious! 😁
Hah, there is no telling what's gonna happen when Parker and I start an adventure. Trash chicken in the bathroom... hell yeah!
That chicken was covered, still legit lol
Yes Sam! That’s what I’m say’n!
I just found this channel yesterday and was hooked immediately. I think I will be taking an overnighted next weekend. Y’all got me super motivated. Keep putting out the amazing content.
Cool! Make a clip and send it to us!
Nice I love to hear people getting stoked off the videos! Crossing fingers for decent weather next weekend!
It is far better than decent. It is perfect weather today, 60s without a cloud in the sky! I hope you are enjoying the same.
@@RobParker8 here you go…. ruclips.net/video/S2hL4rTXtk8/видео.html
@@seanbarna7358 just watched your clip.
Looked like a nice day!
Where is that and is that a rail to trail?
You guys make some great videos, thanks for sharing!
Thanks Gorby! Appreciate it.
You guys are enjoyable to watch!
Thanks David! Glad you appreciate the buffoonery
Loving your adventures! 😂 Garbage chicken for the win.
Loving your content Dude! I ride here in Norway so I can relate to the cold 🥶 cheers!
Thanks! Stay warm my friend!
Soooo Goood!!!
Wait a month and the Spoke'n Hostel will be back open. Looks like a great little route, might give it a go.
Heck yeah! Give it a go!
once again outstanding content!!
Appreciate it Mark!
i love when people appreciate the dry side of the pnw. i mean i love the trees to , but there aint nuthin like home
There is some cool stuff in the OR desert!!!
Dig it. Have the two of you ridden the Hood to Coast route?
Such a Cold yet Cool ride! :D
Thanks Ricardo!
Haha, you guys are always having a laugh. Have you done a bike and setup video?
thanks for watching! Have not done a bike check video yet… one of these days
Hey Chris, love the videos. Your's and Rob's stoke has inspired me, I'm thinking of heading out to do this route in the next few weeks before it gets too hot! Do you have any info/beta for parking in Condon? Is there hassle-free overnight parking in town?
Hey Thomas! Good idea to do this before it gets too hot out! I think we just parked just off the main road in Condon. I can't remember specifics. Often times we will ask a local if its okay to park there overnight (or if there is a better spot). I think you'll have several safe options in Condon. Have a blast!
There is an excellent bike hostel named Spoke'n Hostel in Mitchell, OR run by a super friendly woman. It isn't far from Tiger Town Brewing. Too bad they are on their annual winter closure until March 16, 2023. Highly recommended!
Rob called ahead of time so we knew they were closed. Stayed there once several years ago and had a pleasant experience!
9:23 Diggin that chicken outta the garage earned y'all a thumbs up 👍. Y'all a bunch of racoons
Hah, thanks for watching. We were stoked to eat that garbage chicken in the bathroom that morning!
Garbage chicken and coffee in the (on the) toilet!) 😂😂
A new low for us 😁
I used to hang out with a buddy and we always joked around. It was great. We used to ride together. Just friends but he now has a GF that is too insecure to let him hang out with him. It such a bummer but now I just have to find someone that laughs at my jokes without hesitation. lol
Mexico is good for bikepacking too :) Maybe you two will be inspired (from your personal experience with bikepacking) to come up with some new innovative bikepacking products???? I already know of two that no one has created yet :). If you two ever get near of getting married toa significant other during your journey in life , have them go on a lengthy bike tour in order to reveal themselves to you (you two will be in harsher living conditions) to see if that person and yourself is really a true match.
head-to-toe seems like the way to go in the 2P x-mid. How did it work out? Looks like plenty of room in the Pro version of it.
Usually we don't sleep head to toe and I let Rob take the side with more head room (That's just the kind of guy I am! I bet he has never even noticed that!). Decided to try it this time and I thought it was definitely the way to go.
You’re right Chris I didn’t notice. But thanks for that and being such a nice guy and always setting up the tent. I know you’re tired and it takes a lot of time and energy!
I didn’t like sleeping head to toe because Chris kept moving his feet all night and waking me up.
But the worst part was I got 0 snuggles sleeping that way. Boo! 👎
Great video and adventure. Although, I'm disgusted at the bathroom hang out. Yuk. Haha
Haha we didn’t even think twice about it. Yeesh what does that say about Parker and I?!?! 🤯
@PNW Bikepacking I've got to get a mtn bike. Your adventures are amazing. Just did a 25 mile road / bike path rode around Phx area. Im so over the road cycling.
Thanks for another fun vid.
By the way, I just downsized from a pickup to an Outback. (It looked like that was what you were driving) I'm looking to get a hitch rack. Any feedback or issues with the Subaru/1Up combination? That rack is on my list as a possibility.
Hey Rick! Thanks for watching! No issues with the Outback 1up combo, it’s been great. My only complaint is that my version doesn’t have a pin to keep the rack locked in. I put a ulock on it so it would never fall out… I think they may have addressed this in newer models
@@pnwbikepacking Thanks.
I see your rear number plate cannot be clearly seen from the bikes.
Has that been any issue with the police or something?
That looks like an awesome ride. I think I can handle being cold on almost any part of my body except my hands.
What rear racks are you guys using? One looks like an Aeroe.
Yeah frozen hands sucks! Rob gets it worse in the feet. I was using the Spider Aeroe Rack, I can't remember the name of the rack Rob uses. I've used the Spider Aeroe Rack on a handful of trips now. Besides being heavy, and IMO ugly haha, the thing is rock solid and super versatile!
My rack is a unique butterfly…parts from an old bike a buddy gave me and a cheap one I bought. Let’s call it a hybrid!
Cheers 🍻
Have you guys tried using pogies to keep your hands warm?
No but I will seriously consider that next time it is that cold. They look really easy to make too!
i know they sell hot hands and toe warmers in that general store. can't think of a better application. i nearly got heatstroke there last spring until i got to the rest area sprinklers at the painted hills. an area of extremes.
Ahh!!! I’ll take the cold over the heat, especially out there!
which POC helmet are you wearing please?
Lmao! Good stuff.
Beware of naked knees when its freeze
Is there a Garmin or Strava route for this ride?
Nice vid guys. What Titanium frame is that?
Thanks Oliver! It’s a why cycles el jefe!
@PNW Bikepacking lovely. I almost bought one of those last year.
Hey guys, how you do handle your food overnight when you're in a desert setting?
What up Dawg?!?
We just improvise based on what we have. First choice is to hang it on something but then you kind of have to do the best you can. The real trick is keeping out the mice.
I have hung a dry bag off my bike and I have also put it in the tent with us.
It’s usually not a huge issue in the really dry areas.
@@RobParker8 Thanks Rob! We're doing the Great Rift route on Ride with GPS, and while I've ridden plenty through desert areas, this will be my first with several nights in them.
Have a good trip and make us a little clip!
@@RobParker8 Whew, what a ride! We were really aggressive in our daily mileage goals, so no videos; don't see a way to post a few photos here, but happy to send to you if you send me an email, etc.
Do you guys have as much fun on camera that you seem to have on camera ?
Hah, truthfully I think we do. There is a lot of stuff that either doesn't make the video or we didn't have the camera out to capture it. There is also a lot of just riding without goofing around. But I think Rob and I both have a positive / stoked mentality when we are out adventuring, we're just happy to be doing it, and try not to take it too seriously.
What you see in these clips that Chris makes is the real deal. Minus some more cursing and me having that regret can of wine.
We just rode together all day this Saturday in the rain, soaked to the bone, no cameras and reminisced about how it made us feel like kids again.
He’s a cool guy that’s fun to be around even when the conditions are not perfect.
Thanks for taking the time to respond fellas . Greatly appreciate , and as I said before , you tell great stories and I really enjoy following along. You inspire to make some " get out there and do shit plans" for when the snow melts here
Make friends with adversity that way you'll never be lonely.
If you ever decide to do merch that's the slogan you should put on a t-shirt
Cancelled my car camping trip this weekend because it was going to be too cold, to sleep in the car.
Yeah forecast looks brutally cold this weekend!
@@pnwbikepacking but I watch your videos and I realize what a wuss I am! I have an xterra with a mattress to sleep in!
Tell me I am wrong, but my chain waxing works great in this climate.
We had a friend tell us that.. I don't really know much about waxing chains. Will need to investigate.
What kind of bikes are yall riding?
Hey Alvin! I am riding a Why Cycles El Jefe and Rob is riding a Surly Krampus! Both bikes are fabulous! We were totally overbiked for this route but they did the job!
@@pnwbikepacking Thanks, we love the channel and your fun antics! Great content guys!!!
For some reason I want to know if Rob’s wine leaked … 😂
Ha! I didn’t bring any because we planned on hitting the pub that night. Probably would have though!
What tires was Parker running on this ride?
I can't say for certain, and Rob probably won't know without double checking, but I am pretty sure they are Maxxis Ramblers 700x40. Compared to the beefy 2.6 tire we have been riding, they looked so fragile! Fortunately, no flats!
Soooo……I just went out to the garage and looked because Chris is right, as usual. I have no clue what they are. I just grabbed some skinny tires because I was scared. They are Maxxis Rambler 700x 50 EXO TR. How do you even know that, Wilson? And what do all those numbers and letters mean????
I don’t care they worked great. 😂
Cheers 🍻
Hey are you guys running tubes? Reason I ask is I run tubeless and don't change tires til they wear out, cause I don't want to deal with the sealant mess. Or--maybe you know a trick! 🙂
We are using tubeless tires and usually we always bring a tube incase of a massive blow out. (Except the times I miss place the tube Chris just gave me)
When I change tires.
I do it in the yard and hose everything off. The sealant cleans up real easy. I also buy the sealant by the quart.
You even care about sleeping in the warm bathroom?
Nah brah. Sleeping bag was plenty warm. Though if there was some kind of inclement weather coupled with a tent failure… you better believe I’d be on that bathroom floor!
@@pnwbikepacking bro that was a test. You passed, don't sleep in that nasty bathroom. Only eat your food in there. 🤣
garbage chicken lol
I love how bike packers do things homeless people get so much harassment for, and bike packers show someone a bike a get away with things normally they themselves would be calling the city or county on someone for doing. Two men “warming up” in public washrooms using open flames to cook and drinking alcohol is ok to me when everyone is allowed to do it. Bike packing genuinely seems like the more you embrace your inner bum, The better you will be. At bike packing anywhoo.