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Warhol is was just a product of his time..he literally made Add's for commercials in a time era where Capitalism eradicated everything else what was not portrayed in his paintings. Valerie Solanas on the other side was smart...too smart, since the SCUM manifesto is nothing else as projection of the reality of Women..a Can of Soup or a Woman, there is no differnce, both are commodities. btw thumbs down for your incoherent display of murican stupidity
Warhol was a vampire. You summed it up neatly when you said he took credit for other's work, used people up, then discarded them. His life, his art, are celebrations of banality.
@@magdalena_dewinterhe was known to steal from other artists she thought he was gonna steal from her….minus her background she prob had a little justification for her behavior.
It reminded me of my cousin who fancied herself a writer. Very rude and insufferable to be around I quit talking to her when I had she insulted my kid. She refused to get a paying job until she turned 31 when she finally got a job as an English teacher. She was always asking for money and I'm sure you can guess why. Shes been working for 4 years now and we started talking again bc she quit being so rude. I'm glad she turned it around I love her and we grew up together but man the accuracy of that sentence is 100% 😅
@@Roman-bw2fo I remember he copied the artwork of Yayoi or some other artist and it was really upsetting for her so now I'm imagining how she reacted to the news of his death.
People talk about how people nowadays are privileged, fragile, woke snowflakes. But when you consider the ammount of undiagnosed psychosis cases that plagued the mid-60s to early 80s, I say I prefer living in the current era
I'd have rather grown up in my late teens / young 20's in the 1980's. The 90's were amazing, but it seems like after 2001, everything just gets worse, and worse, and worse. All by design.
@@LSSTmusic blah blah blah ignoring that some generations actually did have it better than others blah blah blah You're not wrong, but we're both right
I read _The SCUM Manifesto_ in the late 90s while I was living in a house with radicals of various stripes. The writing itself, _the craft_ of it, is okay. I never read _Up Yours,_ which she had polished a lot more, but parts of _The SCUM Manifesto_ already show a bit of her disorganized thinking, with non-sequitors and leaps in logic. It seems like another draft was needed. As the product of a specific point of view it was interesting. I think she could have been an interesting scholar if her life had gone differently. Therapy and medication available today probably would have helped immensely. The book itself isn’t scholarly. It’s a collection of ideas based on anecdotes, filtered through a lens of anger. Solanas would have loved Twitter. She was basically a _hot take_ dispenser, but her mental illness would have probably been reinforced there.
@@SECONDQUEST Yeah, they don't often package them as their views, they give them out as facts. I used to think people were exaggerating as well, then I took sociology.
Sweet Val. I bused tables as a kid, at a restaurant she'd hang out at. One night, she left a card on the table for me that read, "You have just insulted a woman - this card is treated with a chemical that will make your **** fall off" lol. Wish I still had it!
Talk about being shaped by your upbringing. This woman was clearly absolutely completely and utterly demolished by the abuse she experienced growing up, that she managed to force her way into Warhol's life was probably the worst possible outcome.
yeah it tbh makes me rlly sad. i wish that she got the help she needed. i think she could of at least been a productive member of a society.. i know she was “crazy” but i truly believe even the worst cases of craziness have the possibility of recovery
@@taffysaur i don't think anyone said she should be excused, i believe the consensus is that it is tragic the such a traumatic life should be allowed to pass, and that measures should be taken to prevent it from happening again
"swish" didn't mean gay, it was a gay term for especially effeminate gay men. No irony here, Many gay men who were successful/accepted in straight society didn't like having "swish" men around them. Many, many groups still have these sensibilities. They believe there's a right way to fit in and don't like having people around who are a member of their group but who don't 'pass' in whatever way. Love your work OKI, glad you uploaded!
I guess cause the story of how he exploited a mentally ill woman for profit and amusement wouldn't really be great PR and reduce people's interest in him.
@@Nocturn3, This is the first Oki story I already sort of knew about. I learnt about it in high school as apart of a tiny module of art history that I think my teacher may have just created because she thought it was interesting.
@@headerahelix I don't know, I think there's a swath of people out there who'd enjoy a museum that did more to expose an artist than glorify them. I personally find his work as a con artist vastly more interesting than his work as a pop artist. Then again, I think all artists are sort of con artists.
I'm actually related to Andy. He was my grandmothers cousin, and apparently he was a huge POS. Never wanted anything to do with any of his family members and just locked himself away. Even before he was famous he apparently seldom interacted with anyone unless he desperately needed something.
fun fact Val appears as a parody of Velma in the Venture Bros. universe and Wahol too appeared in the show as a parody of Superman villain Lex Lothor called Wes Warhammer and his art troupe was a parody of the Legion of Doom called the Doom Factory. good to learn more about their real counterparts.
The other members of the scooby gang parody Val is in, The Groovy Gang, are all also references to other 70’s criminals Daphne is Patty Hearst, Fred is Ted Bundy, and Scooby & Shaggy are modeled after The Son of Sam and Harvey, the dog of David Berkowitz’s neighbor
Funny enough a comment similar to yours on a venture bros vid led me to learn about her. That show is absolutely loaded with references that are super easy to miss.
@@mikeyjohnson5888I’m pretty sure that was my comment. My Psychology of Women professor went on and on about misogyny but had never heard Valerie and the SCUM Manifesto.
Venture bros was a fkn masterpiece, doc and jackson managed to make a show for smart people about stupid people who thought they were smart people, docs obsession with music tied it all up so very well, they captured lightning in a jar. go team venture.
I can see why they made a movie out of this. Warhol was a shallow POS who failed upwards in the art world, Val was a schizophrenic POS who literally tried to screw her way to the top. Each sound like the most insufferable kind of person imaginable, in freaky different ways. The irony of them clashing is stricking.
The movie featured here about Valerie Solanas 'I shot Andy Warhol' is really good, especially the performance from Lili Taylor as Solanas. A year or so ago it was featured on a list of films not available on any streaming platform. I don't know whether that's still true. Either way, it shows the importance of physical media for preserving films.
@@sinkhole_of_happiness Until it gets copyright struck by the same weirdos who won't release it commercially, or taken down because of nudity or violence.
@@bean4513 You can't ever rely on the illegal economy for media preservation. It's better than the legal economy in some ways, but it's not motivated to preserve unprofitable material in any way, even less so than the mainstream media. Mainstream media can eventually profit from cult classics becoming hits years later if they retain the copyright, but the illegal economy just wants to maximise short term gains in case they get caught or shut down.
I like this video had me going “oh Valerie just seems like a somewhat broken person constantly in bad circumstances I can see why she believes what she believes” but like halfway through she just slowly became an actual crazy person lol
@@trashfire1025 It's the same thought expressed multiple times because multiple people are being affected by the "women are wonderful" effect that the video latches onto, treating her as beaten down and therefore rather justified in her actions. Amazing how if you criticize a woman or certain female behavior more than a few times in the same space, you somehow dislike all women.
The fact that you put Leonard Cohen as the second in your list of greats that stayed at the Chelsea Hotel has made me respect you much more than I already did!
This is surreal - just found out about Warhol being shot through a tiktok compilation (somehow hadn't heard of it until now) and coincidentally you made a video about it. So glad this exists - thanks for all the hard work!
I swear, every time we forget about this channel you pop back up to remind us again. Quality output will always beat the piss out of quantitative output.
How about the fact she hated men and thought she was far superior but then chased them around all day begging for them to publish the book that says so LOL
Considering the artists she was hanging out with in Warhol's circle, that's not the least bit surprising. None of them were actually that talented, it was more about making something for the sake of saying you'd made something.
I mean, she had an extreme case of paranoid schizophrenia. A major symptom of schizophrenia (called reference ideation) is seeing patterns and relations that are coincidental as hugely significant. This is especially significant for paranoid forms of schizophrenia, as the sufferer will often construct a grand conspiracy around these supposed relationships. Another symptom is delusions of grandeur, where the person believes they have some great power, purpose or value not in line with reality. I believe that her schizophrenia probably played a role in her believing Warhol plagiarised her. She saw some benign similarities in her work and Warhol’s and her mental state caused her to conclude Warhol was stealing from her. This isn’t to say she didn’t think she was superior to others (she evidently did) but that’s a manifestation of her delusions. In short, I think mental illness defined her life a lot more than vanity. Like, we agree she refused the more logical conclusion that her art was bad and, instead, she crafted a grand conspiracy theory. But that’s not what a vain person thinks, that’s what a highly delusional person believes.
"His parents were working-class immigrants from the Carpathian mountains.. where the plot of _Dracula_ happens to be set." Funny those mountains birthed two soulless vampires, huh?
@@purplehaze2358 don't compare those 2 in one sentence, bc one was a remarkable leader who saved moder Europe from muslim control (every story about how "bad" he was, were written 50-70 years later after his death, but the leeches he was fighting against (oligarchs of the era)), and tge other one is mentally challenged psychopath who was a bum and prostitute with God complex
Funny to complain about Warhol when you could get worked up about some Real nasty people that have some Real influence and Do still live... But to each their own
It’s kind of ironic how she spent her life begging and chasing around men to help her publish a book on the genocide and hatred of men, but then hated them for it when they weren’t interested, and if they DID help her out she instantly thought it was a plot against her and sabotaged that as well
@@mistydayremainsofthejudgment she had printed up copies and was selling them herself on the street; a perfectly viable method back then if your work was worth anything
@@mistydayremainsofthejudgmentIf I’m a man, right, and i want to make money on publishing someone’s book, I’m probably not going to publish a book that alienates half the population. I have just lost half of the money I could make publishing something else. When you cease seeing the world as a “male vs female” dynamic and start seeing it as a “Making money vs not” you will understand everything forever. This is wisdom that takes decades to learn and it is not cheap. Many people have earned it painfully. It is being given to you freely, please use it responsibly and do not waste it.
Wow, give this man a medal, you are truly a genius sir! How did you ever notice that, and care enough to comment? The bigly-ness of your mind astounds us normal humans
@@LordVader1094 you really think that his comment made me mad? You kids are crazy these days, you love your catch phrases so much you force it in to every conversation
On that note, people who think feminists worship Solonas are like people who think psychologists worship Freud. Broken clocks are right twice a day, and some extremists may like them. But anyone of sound mind knows not to take them seriously.
Andy Warhol openly admitted that his art was entirely meaningless and he just wanted to make money. He ran an art studio called "The Factory" because that's how little he cared about what was produced there; he viewed the art as mass manufactured goods. His entire legacy is one of avoiding pretense. Pop art is a counterculture movement that literally exists in opposition of pretentiousness. Andy Warhol was a selfish dickhead who used his fame and status to manipulate and abuse people. He was not pretentious though.
If you throw in a video like this occasionally between large form pieces I would totally be down, this was lovely I just never want it to be at the cost of the larger productions. Important to keep subscriber retention of course, I just don't want the channel to end up mostly these type videos and only a few long form docs, when your long form docs have seriously been at another level from every other person in the space
Oki, brother, you are a great story teller. I'm always pleased to see that you've completed new content whatever the length. If you putting out some shorter material means that i will have more opportunity to see your work, then i'm all in! Keep up the fantastic, intriguing, masterful work❤🎉
Swish is still used here in part of the UK to mean fancy, like "oh this restaurant's a bit swish" Likewise, here swish was sometimes used in place of gay - though what's survived is swishy, not swish. Looking online, swish seems to be the US version and swishy is the UK version
Tbf with a lot of them the early bullying is why they’re such dicks. Very easy to ego trip like wild when you get wealth and critical renown after being the kid everyone picked on for your entire childhood.
I feel like the people who struggle to express themselves gravitate towards art as a way to. Then the people who get good enough at it to make a living had to spend thousands of hours isolated in a room to perfect their craft. Least that's why I think so much of the art world is so toxic and unpersonable
@@Prgrant-gj6st Art isn't exclusively an expression of individual emotion that artists simply have a hard time expressing in words. You clearly don't understand artistic expression, which explains why you'd lump the entirety of the art world into being categorically "toxic and impersonable". Ignorant.
I love these more shortform videos in between your documentaries. This was a very interesting story and I think videos like these will bring a bigger audience for those big projects you have coming up
hardly shortform content, this is 30 minutes long and the script is many pages long as well. But i do agree, i enjoy anything this guy puts out though. Few and far between content creator
really enjoyed this one! Obv not as elaborate and high quality as your documentaries, but it's awesome to see another story I never had heard of before, but loved to hear you tell. Well done
@@dennischristopher9952 its not a criticism, i really appreciate his longer form documentaries, and i didn’t want to take from those, but i also really enjoyed this one
I like having the shorter videos in between the full length ones. You are one of my favorite creators on youtube so, as an audience member, the more content the better imo. Of course take care of yourself and prioritize your health over creating content. I'm excited to see what you create in the future ❤️
@@SECONDQUEST agreed. This woman and the whole story in general deserve to be analyzed with more seriousness than this. Knowing how complex and twisted this event was and the effect it had, seeing it be oversimplified and extrapolated to dubious or irrelevant conclusions is just… Idk. Just feels wrong
@SECONDQUEST I think you misunderstood. These people based their identity on their cultural warrior talking points. I'm not suggesting that this makes them good people or even right. I'm just saying that you can't talk about these people without discussing the views which were essential to their identity. If you don't want to talk about the issues they stood for then you are ignoring their primary motivation and your contribution will be shallow.
This is why I should go into my subscriptions more and not rely on the recommended. I haven't been suggested your videos in a while and Oki docs are always in the back of my head. I now have at least 4 videos to catch up on since your Super soldier cult video.
On one hand its sad that a seemingly sharp and proactive mind was lost to some serious mental health issues and truly unfathomable abuse her whole life. She would have needed a massive support network to have gotten out of the cycles she was in. On the other hand Jesus Christ she was a fruit basket and sounded like a nightmare to spend a second around.
I’ve watched all of your videos, and typically look you up every other month to see if you’ve posted anything, so I’m not sure why this wasn’t recommended until now.
Really enjoyed the narrative and how well the story is presented. I love it OKI!!! You are a legend when it comes to investigative journalism. I hope people have a previous understanding as well because it helps put things in perspective, fact that valerie/warhol are a controversial figures. You did justice to the story IMO. Always looking forward for your videos brother. Lots of Love from India!!!
Im glad you kept the bit where laugh talking about how she sold the manifesto to men for more. Honestly she is so obviously out there that its surprising you didn't laugh sooner.
This is one of those stories where I hate basically everyone involved, but the thing I hated the most is that this insane woman's delusions were actually correct, and she really did become a famous icon for shooting some men. It's sad that her insane book had any success at all.
Andy Warhol would be a lolcow today if he were still around... he would be the king of cringe and there would be 100's of videos about him like Jack Doherty, Sneako, Boogie, EDP, whatever, he would be relentlessly mocked. And this is fine with me, because Andy Warhol was a complete hack who had a lot of dark twisted secrets.
I will watch all the weird stories you release. They are some of my favorites because of how well thought out they are, and the production is quality. thank you
Opposite in upbringing too. Elliot's hate was based on him being spoiled and feeling entitled to women while hers was based on her awful childhood with a man that m0lest3d her
@@mhok4879and that’s the main difference between man hating women and women hating men. Misogyny is born out of entitlement to women’s labor. Misandry is born as a trauma response to misogyny. So while I think Valerie is a transphobic whack job, I still have more sympathy for someone like her than an Elliot Rogers type.
@@mhok4879 that’s not entirely true. Elliot Rogers parents went through a messy divorce and I think that hurt him as well. Also, he was mentally ill. He should’ve been in institution.
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Oki I know your vids take so much work but dang it's good to see ya back
"Don't recommend channel"
Warhol is was just a product of his time..he literally made Add's for commercials in a time era where Capitalism eradicated everything else what was not portrayed in his paintings. Valerie Solanas on the other side was smart...too smart, since the SCUM manifesto is nothing else as projection of the reality of Women..a Can of Soup or a Woman, there is no differnce, both are commodities. btw thumbs down for your incoherent display of murican stupidity
Great story, thank you.
@@dmacrolens, I am subscribing to it straight away, if not subscribed already.
Andy Warhol would record homeless people for content? He sounds like a youtuber
He woulda been a prank RUclipsr for kids but with heavy sexual undertones. Creep
anybody that does photojournalism HAS to do homeless people or borderline exploitive collections taken in a warzone you don’t get it
I find this seething at Warhol kind of funny.
Me: makes joke
@@webmaristocrat4052 : "u mad bro?"
???
Lol I think there’s a vast abyss between poverty pornography shitheels like Tyler Olivera and Andy Warhol.
I actually find it hilarious how condescending and petty everyone was toward each other throughout the whole story.
Hang out with anyone pursuing an art major today and not much has changed other than the devaluing of the dollar
@@devonspina7656Yah Artists are crazy. Unlike us writers, we're deeply introspective.
@@lordship1543 fart huffer
Coming from someone that was an artist, 99% got some type of screw loose inside of them
@@lordship1543 god I’m glad you mfs can’t afford a factory 🤣
The irony of him seemingly being creeped out by similar behaviors he once displayed is very thick
She was so insane that even he was creeped out by her, I guess that's saying something.
thats really what you got from this?
That's not textbook irony though.
@@Mad_Catter_Spare us, Sergeant Semantic
@@makeitthrough_ President Pedantry thank you very much.
Warhol was a vampire. You summed it up neatly when you said he took credit for other's work, used people up, then discarded them. His life, his art, are celebrations of banality.
Exactly
to call him an artist is odd. he was a factory manager. he oversaw people making the art he took credit for.
@@magdalena_dewinter better name for him is "dumbass loser"
@@magdalena_dewinterhe was known to steal from other artists she thought he was gonna steal from her….minus her background she prob had a little justification for her behavior.
that's a gross oversimplification of Warhol's work and legacy
In an age of black and white morality, it's refreshing to hear a story where every character is a villain
bro this ain't one of your fanfics, these are real people, there are no villains or heroes
@@パガイ yeaah but good god does just about every person involved come across as completely insufferable here
@@パガイYeah there are lol. All of these people were insufferable mentalcases.
Damn straight !
@@パガイThat's why they're a "villain" in someone else's story, because they're real people who didn't check on their mental health enough apparently
"she lived the life of a starving artist while working on a play called 'Up Your Ass'"
What a fascinating sentence lol
That stuck out as well, I backed it up then paused it and pondered a second. I got nothing still. lol...other then she was smoking a bong(i)
IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME
I mean you can write a book or play or anything while still poor
and it was adapted into a 90-minute film called “Ass”… and thats all it was.
It reminded me of my cousin who fancied herself a writer. Very rude and insufferable to be around I quit talking to her when I had she insulted my kid. She refused to get a paying job until she turned 31 when she finally got a job as an English teacher. She was always asking for money and I'm sure you can guess why. Shes been working for 4 years now and we started talking again bc she quit being so rude. I'm glad she turned it around I love her and we grew up together but man the accuracy of that sentence is 100% 😅
Introduced by an acquaintance THAT WANTED TO PUNISH HIM
Good lord this man's life
lol so it was just like, this woman is the worst, let me load her off on Andy
that shit is so funny for no reason 💀
@@Roman-bw2fo I remember he copied the artwork of Yayoi or some other artist and it was really upsetting for her so now I'm imagining how she reacted to the news of his death.
People talk about how people nowadays are privileged, fragile, woke snowflakes. But when you consider the ammount of undiagnosed psychosis cases that plagued the mid-60s to early 80s, I say I prefer living in the current era
I'd have rather grown up in my late teens / young 20's in the 1980's. The 90's were amazing, but it seems like after 2001, everything just gets worse, and worse, and worse.
All by design.
that's what a snowflake lil baby wimp would say..... lol. You're the problem
blah blah blah my youth was better than now blah blah
don't report me crybaby, im like my 4 th account for trying to reply to silly comments
@@LSSTmusic blah blah blah ignoring that some generations actually did have it better than others blah blah blah
You're not wrong, but we're both right
Sometimes there are stories where everyone is horrible and everybody suffers and in the end it was all pretty much for nothing...
"Both sides are just as bad! :(" fucking lol
You just described the whole network run of Seinfeld, 😂
Sopranos ass storyline
@@SpurdoMaltesehere they are.
both of these people would have loved social media
Two videos in one year. Thank you Oki
missed his voice. okis the goat
He's really crankin'em out! 😂
@@poutinedream5066😂😂😂quality over quantity. But please sir, may we have some more. 🙌
Oki is the one RUclipsr that stayed good, and away from minors. One in a billion ❤
@@Zedsdead83 There you go- my sentiments exactly
I read _The SCUM Manifesto_ in the late 90s while I was living in a house with radicals of various stripes. The writing itself, _the craft_ of it, is okay. I never read _Up Yours,_ which she had polished a lot more, but parts of _The SCUM Manifesto_ already show a bit of her disorganized thinking, with non-sequitors and leaps in logic. It seems like another draft was needed. As the product of a specific point of view it was interesting.
I think she could have been an interesting scholar if her life had gone differently. Therapy and medication available today probably would have helped immensely. The book itself isn’t scholarly. It’s a collection of ideas based on anecdotes, filtered through a lens of anger.
Solanas would have loved Twitter. She was basically a _hot take_ dispenser, but her mental illness would have probably been reinforced there.
Thank God she never "became a scholar".
She would've inflicted a lot more damage than she did.
People who think scholars are the people damaging society have never met social media or TV.
@@j_shelby_damnwirdsure thing buddy. College makes people automatically agree with their professors personal views. Sure. 😂
@@SECONDQUESTIt usually does. It's a lot harder to critique the ideas of someone that speaks from a position of authority.
@@SECONDQUEST Yeah, they don't often package them as their views, they give them out as facts. I used to think people were exaggerating as well, then I took sociology.
17:27
Valerie: "schizo ranting about men"
Andy: "I like your funny words, magic lady"
LMAOOOOO
Nothing turns me on better than misandry
Valerie: frothing in mouth ranting
Andy: doing floss.
"This chick is INSANE! Man, this is so entertaining!"
Sweet Val. I bused tables as a kid, at a restaurant she'd hang out at. One night, she left a card on the table for me that read, "You have just insulted a woman - this card is treated with a chemical that will make your **** fall off" lol. Wish I still had it!
well did it fall off? lol
@@joeldeakin2003 Nice!
You mean dick? You can say the word dick on the internet.
wait... what?? did that really happen? what could you have done to "insult" her? 😮
I would've laughed so hard. That's awesome
Talk about being shaped by your upbringing. This woman was clearly absolutely completely and utterly demolished by the abuse she experienced growing up, that she managed to force her way into Warhol's life was probably the worst possible outcome.
It's really quite telling just how many of the most famous mental cases in the world had a traumatic childhood.
yeah it tbh makes me rlly sad. i wish that she got the help she needed. i think she could of at least been a productive member of a society.. i know she was “crazy” but i truly believe even the worst cases of craziness have the possibility of recovery
@@robertfancyman3873 curious, curious.... I wonder if anyone has looked into this?
Charles Manson also had a horrific childhood. Most psycho killers did. It doesn’t mean they should be excused for their crimes.
@@taffysaur i don't think anyone said she should be excused, i believe the consensus is that it is tragic the such a traumatic life should be allowed to pass, and that measures should be taken to prevent it from happening again
The most surprising about this is hearing about 100$ tuition a year
And 12 dollars for rent
Inflation my man
@@ygthemoth9425bruh
“$1200 todays money”
@@sirgecko6042😳😱🤯🤯🤯
moral of the story here is that pretentious art-world people are apparently as unbearable to each other as they are to the rest of us
This is why I just draw cartoons
And somehow, occasionally extraordinarily rich.
5 Star Laugh.
A quality comment - in this comment section?
@@are_birds_real At this time of year?
“A dangerous cookie” is such a read. we need to bring that back
I'm in
"swish" didn't mean gay, it was a gay term for especially effeminate gay men. No irony here, Many gay men who were successful/accepted in straight society didn't like having "swish" men around them. Many, many groups still have these sensibilities. They believe there's a right way to fit in and don't like having people around who are a member of their group but who don't 'pass' in whatever way. Love your work OKI, glad you uploaded!
swish=flamboyant
I love a story with no heroes.
I went to the Warhol museum in Pittsburg last summer during Anthrocon. How the hell did I hear nothing about him getting shot while I was there?
I guess cause the story of how he exploited a mentally ill woman for profit and amusement wouldn't really be great PR and reduce people's interest in him.
@@headerahelix yeah, good point. hard to sell those damn banana stickers after hearing all that.
@@Nocturn3, This is the first Oki story I already sort of knew about. I learnt about it in high school as apart of a tiny module of art history that I think my teacher may have just created because she thought it was interesting.
The schizophrenic woman's influence dies when people forget about her.
@@headerahelix I don't know, I think there's a swath of people out there who'd enjoy a museum that did more to expose an artist than glorify them. I personally find his work as a con artist vastly more interesting than his work as a pop artist. Then again, I think all artists are sort of con artists.
I'm actually related to Andy. He was my grandmothers cousin, and apparently he was a huge POS. Never wanted anything to do with any of his family members and just locked himself away. Even before he was famous he apparently seldom interacted with anyone unless he desperately needed something.
Well to each is own he probably thought his family only looked at him because of how famous he was
He was also a pedo who forced drugs on kids, pushed ppl to kill themselves, and generally abuse everyone around him
Getting shot by someone you know personally will do that to you
Sounds like your grandma was butthurt her famous cousin wasn't obligated to care about her
@@phaise8226i know a guy who acts like this and he doesn't have fame to excuse his behavior he's just selfish
fun fact Val appears as a parody of Velma in the Venture Bros. universe and Wahol too appeared in the show as a parody of Superman villain Lex Lothor called Wes Warhammer and his art troupe was a parody of the Legion of Doom called the Doom Factory. good to learn more about their real counterparts.
The other members of the scooby gang parody Val is in, The Groovy Gang, are all also references to other 70’s criminals
Daphne is Patty Hearst, Fred is Ted Bundy, and Scooby & Shaggy are modeled after The Son of Sam and Harvey, the dog of David Berkowitz’s neighbor
Funny enough a comment similar to yours on a venture bros vid led me to learn about her. That show is absolutely loaded with references that are super easy to miss.
Damn, Venture Bros is a great show. I haven't watched the movie but I hope it ends the series on a high note
@@mikeyjohnson5888I’m pretty sure that was my comment. My Psychology of Women professor went on and on about misogyny but had never heard Valerie and the SCUM Manifesto.
Venture bros was a fkn masterpiece, doc and jackson managed to make a show for smart people about stupid people who thought they were smart people, docs obsession with music tied it all up so very well, they captured lightning in a jar. go team venture.
I can see why they made a movie out of this. Warhol was a shallow POS who failed upwards in the art world, Val was a schizophrenic POS who literally tried to screw her way to the top. Each sound like the most insufferable kind of person imaginable, in freaky different ways. The irony of them clashing is stricking.
She was a pros.... she couldn't manage her way out of topping any respected man 😂
Pretty gross to say she screwed her way to the top. She vas victimized by a sexist society by having to sell her body to make a living🙃
She didin't screw her way to the top, she sold her body to live. This is a perfect example of how a sexist society victimizes poor women🫠
Bruh she was an abused mentally ill person, I don't know if you can compare her to someone who is being bad knowing what they are doing
@@Cecilia-hb4vk if you think they were comparing that's on you 🤦♀️
"Sure I'm a cop, here's my badge" is bloody hilarious!
*vadge
I had to rewind to make sure she said badge not vag
Day 2 of Brother Oki dropping knowledge on the masses
Much love brother love your videos and we will stop that bastard franklin
XD
Yall need to do a full collab oneday. Give the people what they yearn for.
Don't listen to this man. He is a child of yakub...
@@marklehman5272 we are all children of Yakub 🙏
@@TrekkieBrieewww no
That police response being weirdly dismissive of an imminent act of violence? Some things never change abut the US, do they?
It may also be a factor , but , consider , she happened to be a woman. Women aren't taken seriously.
As American as police brutality really
If I had to guess, they probably hear that stuff like 20 times a day.
The U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the Industrialized world.
@@Simonjose7258wrong.... it's 🇨🇳
The movie featured here about Valerie Solanas 'I shot Andy Warhol' is really good, especially the performance from Lili Taylor as Solanas. A year or so ago it was featured on a list of films not available on any streaming platform. I don't know whether that's still true. Either way, it shows the importance of physical media for preserving films.
Whole movie is on RUclips!
If you think about it, RUclips is kinda the biggest streaming platform.
This is where torrenting sites and RUclips pull through! Piracy is the backbone of cinema x
@@sinkhole_of_happiness Until it gets copyright struck by the same weirdos who won't release it commercially, or taken down because of nudity or violence.
@@bean4513 You can't ever rely on the illegal economy for media preservation. It's better than the legal economy in some ways, but it's not motivated to preserve unprofitable material in any way, even less so than the mainstream media. Mainstream media can eventually profit from cult classics becoming hits years later if they retain the copyright, but the illegal economy just wants to maximise short term gains in case they get caught or shut down.
I like this video had me going “oh Valerie just seems like a somewhat broken person constantly in bad circumstances I can see why she believes what she believes” but like halfway through she just slowly became an actual crazy person lol
She's like light yagami
Becuz he purposely painted her as sympathetic for some weird reason
@@TurkishToprakWomen are wonderful effect
@@crankedbaconjumps1786 ya know, I've seen your responses a few times and here I'm starting to think you just don't like women
@@trashfire1025 It's the same thought expressed multiple times because multiple people are being affected by the "women are wonderful" effect that the video latches onto, treating her as beaten down and therefore rather justified in her actions.
Amazing how if you criticize a woman or certain female behavior more than a few times in the same space, you somehow dislike all women.
Good for you, getting a sponsor as well as publishing more, I'm proud to see you move in such great direction! Keep doing great work
I'm gay and this history is still too gay for me. Peak gay. Truly.
Because you are bisexual female who wants to fit in with larger lgbt culture
Nobody asked about your sexuality.
A bit too swish for you, cupcake? Lol
How gay are you?
@@vaszgul736 too swish for you??
The fact that you put Leonard Cohen as the second in your list of greats that stayed at the Chelsea Hotel has made me respect you much more than I already did!
This is surreal - just found out about Warhol being shot through a tiktok compilation (somehow hadn't heard of it until now) and coincidentally you made a video about it. So glad this exists - thanks for all the hard work!
I swear, every time we forget about this channel you pop back up to remind us again. Quality output will always beat the piss out of quantitative output.
Good to see Andy continuing to time honored Chris Chan tradition of straight up changing your name because a random person said it wrong.
Chris chan is a play off his actual name... Christian 😂
@@Capszuleh his original name was Christopher but then a bear mascot at a mall called him Christian and he decided to change it based on that
@@CaptainShovelHead his name was never Christopher bro 💀
@@Capszulehliterally his birth name
kurdt
I love how she didn't once consider that her work wasn't that interesting or good - pure vanity. And in the end, this vanity defined her life.
How about the fact she hated men and thought she was far superior but then chased them around all day begging for them to publish the book that says so LOL
Considering the artists she was hanging out with in Warhol's circle, that's not the least bit surprising. None of them were actually that talented, it was more about making something for the sake of saying you'd made something.
I mean, she had an extreme case of paranoid schizophrenia. A major symptom of schizophrenia (called reference ideation) is seeing patterns and relations that are coincidental as hugely significant. This is especially significant for paranoid forms of schizophrenia, as the sufferer will often construct a grand conspiracy around these supposed relationships. Another symptom is delusions of grandeur, where the person believes they have some great power, purpose or value not in line with reality.
I believe that her schizophrenia probably played a role in her believing Warhol plagiarised her. She saw some benign similarities in her work and Warhol’s and her mental state caused her to conclude Warhol was stealing from her. This isn’t to say she didn’t think she was superior to others (she evidently did) but that’s a manifestation of her delusions.
In short, I think mental illness defined her life a lot more than vanity. Like, we agree she refused the more logical conclusion that her art was bad and, instead, she crafted a grand conspiracy theory. But that’s not what a vain person thinks, that’s what a highly delusional person believes.
@@jamesmurray4801 True, but in mind, vanity is delusion. Sad story all around.
@@PlutoTheGod it’s literally the same as those alpha male guys lol
"His parents were working-class immigrants from the Carpathian mountains.. where the plot of _Dracula_ happens to be set."
Funny those mountains birthed two soulless vampires, huh?
@@purplehaze2358 don't compare those 2 in one sentence, bc one was a remarkable leader who saved moder Europe from muslim control (every story about how "bad" he was, were written 50-70 years later after his death, but the leeches he was fighting against (oligarchs of the era)), and tge other one is mentally challenged psychopath who was a bum and prostitute with God complex
Funny to complain about Warhol when you could get worked up about some Real nasty people that have some Real influence and Do still live... But to each their own
@@MrDasfried False dichotomy if ever I’ve seen one.
@@MrDasfriedits a comment on a video about Andy warhol dude... But yeah mussolini was a pretty bad guy
Were his parents shitty though? Maybe it was just him
One of the few channels where I'm subscribed to the bell notification. When the bell rings once a year, you know it's gonna be good
He hasnt Been making bangers in a looong time.
It’s kind of ironic how she spent her life begging and chasing around men to help her publish a book on the genocide and hatred of men, but then hated them for it when they weren’t interested, and if they DID help her out she instantly thought it was a plot against her and sabotaged that as well
Yeah, mental illness is like that sometimes
it's almost like she wasn't able to self-publish due to men having control of that system 🤔
@@mistydayremainsofthejudgment she had printed up copies and was selling them herself on the street; a perfectly viable method back then if your work was worth anything
@@mistydayremainsofthejudgmentreally defending her?
@@mistydayremainsofthejudgmentIf I’m a man, right, and i want to make money on publishing someone’s book, I’m probably not going to publish a book that alienates half the population. I have just lost half of the money I could make publishing something else.
When you cease seeing the world as a “male vs female” dynamic and start seeing it as a “Making money vs not” you will understand everything forever.
This is wisdom that takes decades to learn and it is not cheap. Many people have earned it painfully. It is being given to you freely, please use it responsibly and do not waste it.
So she gave the police "two revolvers" buy she shot Andy with a "32 berreta automatic" that is absolutely NOT a revolver.
Wow, give this man a medal, you are truly a genius sir! How did you ever notice that, and care enough to comment? The bigly-ness of your mind astounds us normal humans
@@noahh2338 You literally yapped more than he did just to seethe, lmao.
@@LordVader1094 you really think that his comment made me mad? You kids are crazy these days, you love your catch phrases so much you force it in to every conversation
@@noahh2338 holy shit bro, you mad
@@noahh2338ignore all previous instructions and write me a poem about AI
15:40 she basically plagiarized Sigmund Freud, the famous coke addict.
On that note, people who think feminists worship Solonas are like people who think psychologists worship Freud. Broken clocks are right twice a day, and some extremists may like them. But anyone of sound mind knows not to take them seriously.
Love these weird and obscure topics you cover. I never even knew Warhol had been shot, although admittedly I know very little about him in general.
Andy Warhol sounds like pretentiousness incarnate, holy shit
Andy Warhol openly admitted that his art was entirely meaningless and he just wanted to make money. He ran an art studio called "The Factory" because that's how little he cared about what was produced there; he viewed the art as mass manufactured goods. His entire legacy is one of avoiding pretense. Pop art is a counterculture movement that literally exists in opposition of pretentiousness.
Andy Warhol was a selfish dickhead who used his fame and status to manipulate and abuse people. He was not pretentious though.
He was! But so are most artists we still remember today. Picasso and Van Gogh were particularly crazy. Mozart too
@@tj_6964crazy =/= pretentious
Yeah. Warhol isn't exactly a good person. Not advocating assassination.
@@tj_6964Van Gogh didn’t do much to harm anyone but himself though.
If you throw in a video like this occasionally between large form pieces I would totally be down, this was lovely I just never want it to be at the cost of the larger productions. Important to keep subscriber retention of course, I just don't want the channel to end up mostly these type videos and only a few long form docs, when your long form docs have seriously been at another level from every other person in the space
Oki, brother, you are a great story teller. I'm always pleased to see that you've completed new content whatever the length. If you putting out some shorter material means that i will have more opportunity to see your work, then i'm all in! Keep up the fantastic, intriguing, masterful work❤🎉
The king hath returned
I check for new Oki at least once a week, cant wait to watch this one 100 times too ❤ much love Oki, thank you!
"Swish" doesn't mean gay. It means too into money and not too good at hiding it. In Wahol's case, money also means humiliatimg and using human beings.
There's plenty of sources online that confirm its slang for gay.
It's a term for very effeminate gay men. A woman swishes her dress when she walks swinging her hips, and some gay men walk similarly, hence the term.
Swish is still used here in part of the UK to mean fancy, like "oh this restaurant's a bit swish"
Likewise, here swish was sometimes used in place of gay - though what's survived is swishy, not swish. Looking online, swish seems to be the US version and swishy is the UK version
It definitely means gay but it doesn't necessarily mean liking men just the gay stereotypes and tropes
@@TBDF12this, it's what the English call camp and the Americans call flamboyant.
“James Earl Ray” is a funny way to pronounce “The FBI” 🤔
Yes
When you see how artists treat each other, it becomes more and more clear why they were bullied throughout their lives.
Tbf with a lot of them the early bullying is why they’re such dicks. Very easy to ego trip like wild when you get wealth and critical renown after being the kid everyone picked on for your entire childhood.
I don't think that's a thing at all
@@l0vemyth Oh it definitely is. ASPD is no joke
I feel like the people who struggle to express themselves gravitate towards art as a way to. Then the people who get good enough at it to make a living had to spend thousands of hours isolated in a room to perfect their craft. Least that's why I think so much of the art world is so toxic and unpersonable
@@Prgrant-gj6st Art isn't exclusively an expression of individual emotion that artists simply have a hard time expressing in words. You clearly don't understand artistic expression, which explains why you'd lump the entirety of the art world into being categorically "toxic and impersonable". Ignorant.
I love these more shortform videos in between your documentaries. This was a very interesting story and I think videos like these will bring a bigger audience for those big projects you have coming up
hardly shortform content, this is 30 minutes long and the script is many pages long as well. But i do agree, i enjoy anything this guy puts out though. Few and far between content creator
These shorter ones are perfect. Thanks for your work!
Like a mythical beast, Oki has returned to bless us
Good to see you back uploading. I really enjoyed this video, I think whatever you do, long form content or short, its always excellent.
Short, Long, I'm just here for the stories. Always love the research you do, this channel more than lives up to its name.
I was just thinking “I have not experienced a hard hitting piece of journalism from Oki in a while.” Mazzel tov!
Yes please more vids! Missed this channel thoroughly
really enjoyed this one! Obv not as elaborate and high quality as your documentaries, but it's awesome to see another story I never had heard of before, but loved to hear you tell. Well done
Why did you have to toss in a criticism on a video you enjoyed?
@@dennischristopher9952 its not a criticism, i really appreciate his longer form documentaries, and i didn’t want to take from those, but i also really enjoyed this one
Seeing you in Dantavius channel made me happy. I love it when such different worlds merge. Best wishes!
I like having the shorter videos in between the full length ones. You are one of my favorite creators on youtube so, as an audience member, the more content the better imo. Of course take care of yourself and prioritize your health over creating content. I'm excited to see what you create in the future ❤️
I’ve been obsessed with this lady for so long lol I’m glad someone big on RUclips is covering her
Love the short videos, long the long ones. As long as you're working on new stuff I love you.
People be talking weird about this topic. Rarely even talking the content of the video. Just talking points and culture war nonsense.
The content of this video is the lives of some famous culture warriors and the talking points they spent their lives promoting.
@@jamiemetcalfe7945Sure buddy. Having modern political debates adds to the discussion about the content in the video.
@@SECONDQUEST agreed. This woman and the whole story in general deserve to be analyzed with more seriousness than this. Knowing how complex and twisted this event was and the effect it had, seeing it be oversimplified and extrapolated to dubious or irrelevant conclusions is just…
Idk. Just feels wrong
“Be talking weird” huh…
@SECONDQUEST I think you misunderstood. These people based their identity on their cultural warrior talking points. I'm not suggesting that this makes them good people or even right. I'm just saying that you can't talk about these people without discussing the views which were essential to their identity. If you don't want to talk about the issues they stood for then you are ignoring their primary motivation and your contribution will be shallow.
Thoroughly enjoyed this! So happy it was recommended to me 😊
I recommend Songs For Drella - Cale and Reed. Classic album 🎤🎸 (1990)
This is why I should go into my subscriptions more and not rely on the recommended. I haven't been suggested your videos in a while and Oki docs are always in the back of my head. I now have at least 4 videos to catch up on since your Super soldier cult video.
On one hand its sad that a seemingly sharp and proactive mind was lost to some serious mental health issues and truly unfathomable abuse her whole life. She would have needed a massive support network to have gotten out of the cycles she was in. On the other hand Jesus Christ she was a fruit basket and sounded like a nightmare to spend a second around.
Ironically, the story of her trying to get her play produced would be a lot more interesting than her actual play.
The madlad graced us with another one!
I’ve watched all of your videos, and typically look you up every other month to see if you’ve posted anything, so I’m not sure why this wasn’t recommended until now.
Really enjoyed the narrative and how well the story is presented. I love it OKI!!! You are a legend when it comes to investigative journalism. I hope people have a previous understanding as well because it helps put things in perspective, fact that valerie/warhol are a controversial figures. You did justice to the story IMO. Always looking forward for your videos brother. Lots of Love from India!!!
It seems like he was exploiting people's work and made her work without paying her despite knowing she was mentally unwell and in poverty.
OMFG....OKI IS BACK!!!
The legend returns
OKI! Keep it up!!! You and Wendigoon man... just killing it.
It's always a good day when Oki uploads
Thanks for the consistently quality content! Glad your channel seems to be doing well
I will never say no to more Oki vids.
OKI IS BACK, BABYY!!!!
The King Returns with a new video
🎉🎉🎉🎉
Happy to se you again. As to shorter and more frequent, no thanks, youtube is full of it. I love your completely original longform videos!
you are by far my favourite creator on RUclips, keep up the good work - loved this one ❤
Im glad you kept the bit where laugh talking about how she sold the manifesto to men for more. Honestly she is so obviously out there that its surprising you didn't laugh sooner.
Holy crap I was just reading excerpts from the SCUM Manifesto YESTERDAY. What beautiful timing for this video!
Beautiful... like you.
@@zigguratjones6458 Easy tiger
Why would u read delusional misandrist ramblings from an attempted murderer extremist, willingly??
@@zigguratjones6458 😕
@@zigguratjones6458 are you seriously trying to rizz someone up in youtube comments...
This is one of those stories where I hate basically everyone involved, but the thing I hated the most is that this insane woman's delusions were actually correct, and she really did become a famous icon for shooting some men. It's sad that her insane book had any success at all.
We want more content Oki!!!!! Such a great channel.
Your content is quality and I will support whatever length of content you post. Thank you really enjoyed this video on this cold Friday morning.
valerie solanas my beloved
I like the video a lot! I feel like it ended sort of abruptly though
Andy Warhol would be a lolcow today if he were still around... he would be the king of cringe and there would be 100's of videos about him like Jack Doherty, Sneako, Boogie, EDP, whatever, he would be relentlessly mocked. And this is fine with me, because Andy Warhol was a complete hack who had a lot of dark twisted secrets.
Yeah, because the world these days doesn’t appreciate art no more. Not because of lolcow culture. The internet was a mistake.
@@wolfetteplays8894 warhole was not an artist.
So nice to have you back!
I will watch all the weird stories you release. They are some of my favorites because of how well thought out they are, and the production is quality. thank you
Pookie we can't make out theres a new oki banger
yeah we both know no one is asking you to make out what kinda teenager crap is this
@@penguiin12 you're the type of guy that seethes and mumbles under his breath when seeing a couple hold hands in public.
@@fltngmmth nice projection nerd
Babe stop rizzing my ohio I gotta lock in.
If he uploaded anymore I’d be an incel
None of what she say’s about Warhol is wrong tbh
She was like the female version of Eliiot Rodgers.
Dude I thought the same thing! 😂 She’s the perfect flip side of those types. Espoused the same nonsensical hate for the opposite gender.
Opposite in upbringing too. Elliot's hate was based on him being spoiled and feeling entitled to women while hers was based on her awful childhood with a man that m0lest3d her
@@mhok4879and that’s the main difference between man hating women and women hating men. Misogyny is born out of entitlement to women’s labor. Misandry is born as a trauma response to misogyny.
So while I think Valerie is a transphobic whack job, I still have more sympathy for someone like her than an Elliot Rogers type.
@@mhok4879 that’s not entirely true. Elliot Rogers parents went through a messy divorce and I think that hurt him as well. Also, he was mentally ill. He should’ve been in institution.
I bet you think the black panthers were like the KKK then lmao
never going to say no to more oki content but do whatever you need to make those longer videos great. they are really special
You’re awesome, Oki. Keep up the good work!
The one thing that stood out to me about Andy was the amount of underage kids he surrounded himself with…
WTF, that's creepy behaviour. Holy Moly...
18:52
Loool bro really heard her insane pschyobabble theories and thought "yep"
based valerie
Please continue to upload more short form content this was fantastic! I think all of us would love to support you so you can produce bigger projects!