I think Russia and Iran took a slightly different approach than say China. I think they understand that when it comes to actual fighter jets, the best tactical approach is missile dominance. You cant produce near as many Su 57 as the US has of F35 and F22 and they aren't far superior, but comparable. But missile technology and advanced air defenses have been more practical and closed the gap rapidly
About the crossection battles. SU57 is not built as a direct competitor to F22, it is built to be the hunter for F22 with longer wave radar built in wings, estimating where the F22 flyes. Great planes, both, anyway. I hope they wont dogfight for real.
Longer wave radar is useless for targeting. Detection and successful engagement are completely different beasts. Fidelity matters in beyond visual range engagements. And make no mistake, it will be BVR.
@@freedomseeds4713 Sure, LR radars are for just having the understanding that F22 is around and a rough approximation where, so say SU35 following the SU57 as a misile trucks or SU57 itself can launch some mad dog misiles in a direction of threat. Sure it will be BVR with an AWACS and ground radars on ... at least for some time. Lets hope it is not a real scenario.
@@FishandHunt Su-57 shoot down Ukrainian Mig-29 at distance of 400km. We will hardly see the raptor prove something similar. Made in the USA is no longer the best.
Not even that maybe 4, they are vaporware, this video is useless, he is talking Russia's word on the SU 57, if they exist why they are not deployed in Ukraine?
Especially when most other court rows especially like Russia and China keep their newest stuff too secret. For all we know, they could have updated all the tech in the su 57 much more whereas the raptors have ceased production. @@kgchinlumayna
Rarely unbiased and professional review. Of course he'll favor F22 stealth capabilities cause Raptor is about stealth and better EW for BVR combat. Su57 capabilities are actually unknown but obviously lack stealth and it's built different way. We simply don't know what would happen until those two eventually fight. F-22 also has no a2a kills except balloon..
есть информация, что су-57 применяется в войне на украине. Пока это на уровне слухов, но вряд ли Россия упустит шанс испытать су-57 в реальных боях на украине
Don’t fool yourself, the F-22 is no match to the SU-57. The SU-57 is faster, has a longer range and it can engage air targets from a bigger distance than the F-22 can. The F-22 is one of the greatest aircraft ever build, but in a air to air fight the Su-57 will win.
@@alexradzhabov6624 never said SU-57 has no stealth, how would I know that, of course. I'm just referring to publicly known data and RCS for SU-57 is unknown. In my subject opinion SU-57 should be superior in every way to F-22 simply because it's newer and more up to date, Russian tech is underestimated quite often by the West and then surprise, surprise, they are really good....but we wouldn't know for sure until they actually meet in real combat . That's all I'm saying.
A big nothing burger. Photonic radar experiences about 50 times the attenuation of normal radar. Ergo, you would need a nuclear power generator on the Su-57 to have any sort of viable range with it.
According to Yemeni authorities, an F22 was shot down near the capital Sanaa. And how much talk there was about the most invulnerable invisible aircraft. The Houthis in slippers simply did not know that this was the most formidable US aircraft, otherwise they would not have touched it.
@@krendel49someone didn't do their homework 😂, 20 mins after houties claimed to have shot down a f22 the Pentagon released a list of the planes involved (no F22) and none of the planes were shot down, why was there no f22? Well the f22 is a air to air platform and it has no air to surface capabilities, the planes that actually were there were , 15 f18 super hornets, 4 euro fighter typhoons 3 ddgs, a carrier and some submarines, please stop listening to your local Russian propaganda channel, as for the video the su-57 would either be shot before it even gets in to the air or run out of fuel 30 miles from the runway
each f22 is coated with a special paint that reduces its radar visibility and is abnormally expensive. that paint is damaged at high speeds, heats up and cracks. So it has to be maintained regularly. one Hour of Flight f22 costs $70,000
@@TheNerdForAllSeasons🤣🤣🤣 настолько ужасна что перехватывают даже разговоры офицеров НАТО, немцы не дадут соврать. Вы все еще думаете что Россия это та Россия которая была в 90х-2000х годах? Вы очень сильно ошибаетесь
Hell, if you ask me, comparison between similar platforms comes down to quality of build, logistics, maintenance, and most importantly... the man behind the machine. In this case the pilot. When it comes down to comparable platforms, the more skilled, open minded, operator wins :}.
You got me there, but I did say comparable platforms. :}. And the F22 is no contour. If you put Andretti in the same Indy car as an inexperienced driver with a poor pit crew, I'm betting on Mario. @@hawkslayer2351
@@roseivory8496 You can bot simp all you want, the entire world literally believes nothing Russia has to say based on their decades of blatant pathological lying. You all did this to yourselves.
@@roseivory8496 It is a 5th gen fighter based on Ivan's claims, but that's all it is, claims. If there's one thing we've learned about Ivan over the decades it's that he lies, A LOT. Even when there's facts proving their lie, they still do it. If the SU-57 really existed as you say it is, they would have been able to gain more air superiority over Ukraine which they haven't been able to do, at all. It should just be called the "SU-57 Speculation" as far as the world is concerned.
@@roseivory8496 No, they aren't used because there's not even a handful of them operable! I have nothing further to say to your responses based on factless claims made by a pathological lying country. They lie and then lie some more, and everyone knows it. I'll believe it when I see it.
There are too many assumptions about the Russian radars, and what's actually fitted in Su57. This is crucial information to perform assessment beteeen F22 and Su57. We really don't know if Su57 will spot F22, as simple is that. Assuming it doesn't is just that - an assumption.
The Su-30 sees the f-22 perfectly. The radar on the Su-57 is more modern. In 2018, the Su-57 was tested in Syria, it was able to fly unnoticed to the Khmeimi base, and then twice approached American 5th generation aircraft and photographed them in different signatures. The pilot on the f-35 saw it only when he looked up. I am glad that the Su-57 is old and noticeable for you - it will be a big surprise.
Exactly . Only Russian Test Pilot Viktor Bogdan knows and few Dozen Russian Engineers ! That's why Viktor Travels with FSB Body gourds right . ! Russian Airforce just Released - Su - 57M Felon with new Engine more Cruse speed and 6 % Fuel Efficiency and 1500 MH Cruising !!!! Watch out US !!!!
@@papatam No, I base my statement off the fact that Russian MoD has not released a statement of an incident like that ever occurring, nor is there any form of proof that it ever happened. "Fly unnoticed to Khemeimi air base" Khemeimim airbase is Russian, not American. "Photographed them" Oh cool, so there's photos? That must mean you have easy, irrefutable evidence of this event happening, right? Mind linking them, O' great prophet of truth? "The pilot on the F-35 saw it only when he looked up" There weren't any US F-35s in Syria until August 2023. Even if there were, there's a nigh 0% chance this would happen; The F-35's DAS would immediately pick up the 57's infrared signature, because its engines has absolutely no concealment. Quit the act and just say you made this shit up, it's so obvious to anyone with a modicum of aviation knowledge.
One thing to note is that the US is putting alot of money into stealth pods that would replace external pilons. So theoretically you can up arm both the F35 and F22 with these pods that will probably have a stealthy shape and added RAM on them to gice these planes longer ranges or more numerous weapons while still being stealth, obviously the RCS will be somewhat increased but if the pod wont add much more RCS then the F22 is going to have an insane edge being able to probably throw 6-10 more missiles per plane
@@usa5893su57 has successfully conducted multiples bombing against a NATO armed nation in ukr. No patriot batteries has taken them out. The US will never fly f22 or f35 against russia only against primitive militias in the ME
Well yes because by the time the Ruskies figured out how to cover the exposed nuts on a Su-57, NATO created F-35 which kinda forced the F-22 into being only an Air Superiority fighter jet.
People at Aircraft 101 did independent radar scattering simulations for the f-35, Su-57, J-20 and the Rafale. And it's pretty interesting. The best is the F-35 with an average frontal radar cross section of 0.06m^2, the J-20 gets 0.21m^2 and the SU-57 0.48m^2. The SU-57 is quite a bit less stealthy than other stealth aircraft, but compared to the Rafale, with a whopping 2m^2, it really isn't that bad, for what essentially is a flying barn. The J-20 isn't all that smaller than the su-57 and halves the radar reflectivity and the f-35 is just amazingly stealthy. Two things to consider also are; first radar absorbent materials were not modeled, just the shape was considered, second the values presented are average frontal radar cross sections which are representative of a real world scenarios, what the official figures usually probably cite is the minimal frontal cross section (so when you are looking at the plane from a specific angle), those values are much lower.
Sukhoi claims Su-57 having a RCS "goal" between 0.1 to 1 m^2 (-10 to 1 dBsm). The F-22 and F-35 has a RCS better than -40 dBsm - which is at least 1,000 to 10,000 times smaller than Su-57. The frontal RCS of Su-57 simulated by Aircraft 101 isn't really 0.48m^2. Actually, even the X-band across 20°, as illustrated in the 'Contour Plot-Su57-20x20Deg-X-Band' within this simulation, demonstrates this. Although I cannot link to the image here on RUclips, you should be familiar with it if you have reviewed the study's findings. Observe the regions shaded in orange and red? These indicate spikes of 5.5 dBsm and 10 dBsm (equivalent to 10 m^2), attributed to the exposure of engine fan blades, despite the implementation of a proposed radar blocker and the application of RAM coatings on the inlet wall, as simulated in the study. The placement of these elements across the center ensures they cannot be avoided, rendering the Felon especially susceptible to surface radars and SAMs. This vulnerability also greatly inhibits its ability to cruise at higher altitudes. Thus, the idea of maintaining a 0.5 m^2 RCS is unrealistic; in real-world conditions, the Felon's instantaneous RCS will significantly exceed that figure. Incidentally, the Su-57 is unique among fifth-generation aircraft in its continued use of a UV-based Missile Warning System (MWS) with the 101KS-U. This reliance constitutes a significant handicap in modern beyond-visual-range (BVR) combat due to the rapid absorption of UV emissions from missile motors by ozone, which increases in concentration by a factor of six at higher altitudes. The Su-57 is considered a 5th gen. aircraft because a large number of people want it to be; even if it means turning a blind eye to a number of irrefutable facts to the contrary.
@@EtaLeporis In other words the russians' claims about the stealth capabilities of Su-57 match the independant test being done, while the US' claims are inflated by several orders of magnitude compared to the independant test. Yes, sounds business as usual. Abrams invincible - gets knocked down by a single T-72 shot. Patriot being so much better than the "overhyped" S-400, gets destroyed by garage-build Yemeni drones (the saudi Patriots incident).
@@Fullgrym Because independent studies don't account for RAM or EW, only the airframe shape. Having your officially published RCS values close to independent studies is a *bad* thing.
@@sovietpineapple7938 you are actually talking nonsense. On one hand you believe US' claims about F-35's level of stealth despite tests contradicting it, saying EW, radar absorbing paint and other factors are surely working well enough to reach official numbers, but on the other hand you completely disregard Russia's ability to create the same contributing factors? Brother, lower the cope.
doesn't the F-22 have room for six AMRAAM, not four like you said? I believe the Su-57 can carry anywhere from four to six Fox 3's in it's two bays, some sources claim eight but picture what looks like four comically small R-77 in the rear bay and four more little R-27 in the forward bay. I'll assume this isn't true, as it's the only photo I can find, and only a handful of non-credible articles.
@@nicholasmiller1406 really? even with all the pictures showing it with six? you can see pictures with it carrying six AiM-120 very commonly, and in an empty bay there are very clearly six pylons.
The number I've heard is 4 AIM-120-sized missiles, although 6 like the F-22 seems reasonable. 8 is definitely too many, as the tandem bays would have to be twice as long, and the airframe just isn't big enough for that. I've never seen any actual photos of the Su-57 carrying anything, so nothing can be said to be confirmed.
I never thought that Dr. Snuggles would betray us, but it must be him. No one else on this planet can make stealth fighters out of disassembled washing machines, not even MacGyver can do that 🤡🤣
My conclusions: The Su-57 is a newer aircraft (designed more recently) and has several advantages: -More place for weapons (or alternativly longer and bigger weapons which the F-22 can't do) -More sensors/radars, some superior -Better sensor integration/communications -Superior maneuverability -Greater range -Infrared search/track as an alternative to radar. (very useful for stealth aircraft as a passive tracking mode) -Cheaper maintenance (especially of stealth capabilities) The F-22 seems still superior in: -stealth due to conceiled exhausts and other cues -dry engine power output (nullyfied by higher weight though) -main radar and SAR
For now. They’re shrinking the aim 120s to half their size. I’m not sure if they’re going to be able to fit 12 in the f22 probably. But that would be pretty sick.
@@forfun6273 If you have the AIM-160 CUDA in mind, then yes, it's about half the size of the AIM-120, so the F-22 should be able to carry a total of 12 of them (plus 2 AIM-9Xs) internally. But who knows if/when this missile will become operational. It's really very experimental. The AIM-260 JATM will probably become operational first, and it's the same size as the AIM-120, with greater range and other improved capabilities. Obviously stealth would let a fighter get closer to its targets before launching missiles, perhaps even within the missiles' no-escape zone. Once both of the new types of missile are available, do you think the F-22 and F-35 will carry a mix of AIM-160s and AIM-260s? For BVR air-to-air combat, the options will probably be: 6xAIM-260, 12xAIM-160, or 3xAIM-260 + 6xAIM-160. Maybe there could even be a 2xAIM-260 + 8xAIM-160 loadout.
The integrated air defense strategy suggests that employing air to air combat is not economic or tactically expedient. Multi-layered defense suggests that going head to head is an idea those at the Pentagon just are not capable of letting go of.
Would love to hear you do some break downs of random possible matchups. I.E. F18 v Eurofighter, F-15 v SU35, Mirage 2000 v F16. I know a lot of times it comes down to the pilot. But plane matchup's like these are fun to watch.
F15EX would beat the hell out of Su35, but if there's an F15E there's going to be much harder to do that. Consecutively F15 eagle would highly likely lose to this SU. It all depends on modifications and what they have on board. The F16 of cold era is a literal pile of junk, meantime it's latest modification block70/72 or so called Viper is very very tough opponent, probably close to the same Su35 capabilities wise
@@АлександрШершнёв-р6с ты болен... F15EX в хлам срубит твой су -35, F15E тоже будет неплохие шансы иметь. F22...я просто молчу....он возьмёт сразу трёх и врядле будет даже зацеплен
LRAAM 37 is amongst the best air to air missiles in the world. Su57 boasts longest air to air kill in recorded history at 217 km in Ukraine. Impressive stuff
@@amazingamazigh6847 Except Russia always has zero proof of any claims they ever make. Hell with the number of planes they have claimed to have shot down they could have destroyed the Ukrainian air force twice over HAHAHA. 2 years in and they still don't control the skies. What a pathetic display.
LMAO.......Russia will never put a SU-57 to flight when an F-22 is near by for combat. Russia won't even send one to Ukraine because they can't afford to lose one. they have less than 10 that are operational and less than 5 that are combat ready! There are over 175 fully operational F-22 in service.
@@donstaggs3827 i really dont know why are you laughing...it is true what you wrote but Su57 is more than capable to kill Raptor and that is the fact. No Raptor pilot would be over confident if he would face it
#1, there would be no dog fight. The F22 would not be seen and would shoot down the SU57 from far away. The infra red that you speak of would be useless at that distance along with any radar because the US has superior, advanced stealth that no other country in the world has.@@zagrepcanin82
You won’t find one credible expert who agrees with you. In fact, India left the partnership to develop the Su-57 with Russia because they thought its lack of stealth features was so bad that Russia would need to start all over. The F-22 is far better than the Su-57 in every way imaginable. Stealth, power, radars, sensors, situational awareness, are all in the F-22’s favor. The US has been using AESA radar for over twenty years and it’s in of aircraft. There’s no way that Russia passed the US, especially since it’s well known that Russia is not a technological leader. The Su-57 also is huge on radar in comparison to the F-22. And when it comes to sensor fusion, situational awareness, stealth, AI, Russia is nowhere near as close technologically as the United States. In fact, what the Ukrainians have found when examining captured Russian weapons is that they are all loaded with US made microchips.
I think the Felon has an edge in maneuverability due to three-dimensional thrust vectoring and it definitely has more internal hardpoints but I also think a merge is very unlikely. You can't hit what you and your seekers can't track. From what I understand latest version of the Flanker is also a wicked dogfighter.
It has that advantage now, but the new Su-57 engine will only be 2D thrust vectoring like the F22. However, that will also reduce its radar cross section even further.
The raptor still points is nose just as well if not better than the felon with only 2d. Honestly we really don’t know how capable either fighter is, it’s all classified. I do know f22 pilots hold back at air shows and foreign simulation fights.
@@erikcourtney1834 six AMRAAM in the center bays, two AiM-9 in the side bays. the Felon can also carry two Fox-2 missiles in side bays but can only carry four in the center bays (unless it uses smaller less capable missiles, in which case it can then carry six. same amount as the raptor.) there are some sources claiming the felon can carry eight but they all use the same picture with comically short existing missiles. basically just a woozle effect.
Yes it is. No country has been able to keep up with the US when it comes to stealth technology. The SU57 and the J31/J35 can be seen by the US for over 150 miles. No need to dogfight when you can blast them out of the sky without using eyesight.
Thanks for the vid.. two things that are NOT mentioned here... I'm interested to see what your thoughts are. What about the AIM 260 (Which is better than the best AMRAMS) and the 11Billion dollar upgrade they are doing to the F22's now. I THINK - not sure, they are adding all the advanced avionics, the F35 has into the F22 air frame. This will allow the US to fill the gap while they come out w/ the next 6th gen aircraft... thoughts??
My thoughts is this will allow the US to go even further in debt than US$34-trillion! Their 5th Generation planes are expensive flops ~ so let's start the 6th Generation boondoggles!
I really think people need to talk in a more sophisticated manor, when dealing with the SU57's RCS. Here's a few points that everybody seems to just brush over. 1. The first stage engines (AL41). HUGE. Clearly mucking up it's stealth profile. Not in any way shape or form designed with stealth in mind. The AL51 second stage engines are! 2. Air intakes. The block 2 will reportedly be fitted with intake grilles. People scoff at this as a stealth solution. You know what ELSE had intake grilles... The F117... 3. The weapons bays hadn't been perfected, until recently! Not an easy fix. 4. No SU57 flying, has ever had R.A.M applied. Apparently, it's just too expensive to keep applying, for what little benefit it should afford them, while they haven't fixed the issues above. BUT, that said, the R.A.M is supposed to offer -45db of reduction! Which is pretty decent! All told, this is how they get to 0.008. And that is a mean average. Not just best angles, the way America reports.
can't I say the same about most countries? pride in your country is no new thing, but blind pride isn't healthy. will I like American planes more? most definitely. will I blindly say they're better even if that's not the case? of course not. I look at performance, avionics, missile quantity, weapons systems, pilot integration, etc. not just how I like something. I'd like to say most people do the same, but that's not the case. I will say I've noticed more Russians blindly saying their stuff is better than Americans though. I mean there's a guy in this comment section saying that F-22 are dropping like flies, but not even attempting to explain why
@@MaxAfterburnerusa Come on Max you ought to know better! So the Flanker and Migs are copies of what?? Lets stop the bias and look at the achievements. And failures. BTW did you know of this??? How many F-22 crashed? F-22 Pilot Safe After Landing Gear Mishap at Eglin | Air ... The F-22 fleet, which now numbers 182 aircraft, has experienced 32 “Class A” mishaps and 50 “Class B” accidents over the past 21 years. A Class A accident involves a fatality, loss of the aircraft, or more than $2.5 million in damage.
As for radar cross section, neither you nor anyone on RUclips knows anything about that. It doesn’t matter that you were a fighter pilot. Fighter pilots know very little about stealth Engineering. In fact they know as much as a high school physics student who browsed the subject on the internet for 2 hours. Everything is classified. The stuff coming out of the Su-57 will not be there in the finished planes. In the more polished planes, they are covered. You either know this and deliberately left it out or you don't even know making you unqualified to discuss the subject. The F22 stealth capabilities have never been tested with capable air defence in real life. Neither has the Su-57. All we know is what is claimed. There's no reason to believe US claims and discount Russia's. If we're to believe both, then the Su-57s will beat the F22s. Until they're both directly involved in a conflict on equal footing, everything is speculation. Any advanced aircraft design Engineer will tell you that stealth is overrated against capable adversaries. Not because stealth in itself is overrated but it's very hard to maintain that stealth and ensure it's stealthy before it leaves the airfield to face the adversary. The pilot will have no idea that he's not as stealthy as he thinks and will be in for a big surprise. Happened in Serbia. Stealth coating has a massive advantage over raw design. It doesn't matter how stealthy an aircraft is designed, it will be picked up on the radar and with enough training and adaptation that particular stealth aircraft becomes toast. In the Ukraine war, Russian air defence struggled against bigger Ukrainian drones with much less metalic materials and almost completely effective against much smaller drones with a classic build. Of course those who actually know about stealth in the US know this and have invested heavily into composite materials and stealth coating and scaled down over Engineering. The benefits of the design alone are real but they are stupendously overrated like you saying "a 1000 times less cross-section". That is just nonsense. Raw figures alone don't show the whole picture but you already know that (as a "fighter pilot")
Gonna tell you all a funny thing about "Supadupa sTEaLtH Su-57". Here in Ukraine when Su-57 starts up and fly from an airfield in Crimea or another place we imidietely know about that. Like, every telegram channel writing "Su-57 is up and flying above black sea". Everyone see it. Here's "stealth". Can you imagine that with F-22 or F-35?
Has a neutral, I think you were watering down a little bit the advances of the SU-57 and becoming a little bit biased towards the F-22 maybe because you are American so it's understandable. From were I seat though both are advance jets, but the SU-57 has an edge from payload capabilities and maneuverabilities. And since all the jets are stealthy and near stealth while also have ground and air radar support, the SU-57 is likely to outgun and out maneuver the F-22.
out gun? F-22 has 8 missiles, Su-57 has 6. Also the maneuverability differences between the two are close enough where skill, timing and some luck will make the difference. Dissimilar combat training between f-15E and Su-30 proved it. Despite being way less maneuverable the F-15s were able to force the Flankers into mistakes in close in dog fighting. Don't even get me started on stealth, f-22 will see the Su-57 first and will be super cruising at much faster speed. Speed and Surprise usually a very difficult combo to beat in air combat.
Keep in mind that the full maneuverability of the F22 has not been seen by the public. What you see at or in airshows is not fully what it can do. That is just a fraction of the capability. F22 is a beast of an aircraft. At the end of the day it is going to come down to training and us Americans are the best when it comes to training that is why almost all of our allies come to the states to train with us.
The SU57 has multiple advantages over the F22. People overestimate stealth technology and RCS factor. The mighty F117 was also stealth with very small RCS, but Serbs managed to hit 3 of them and even shot down one with 50 years old technology. Anyhow, the biggest F22' flaw is not having an infrared sensor because of what SU57 is seriously superior in a potential dog fight.
Oh yes it does... Sukhoi’s own patent describe Su-57 having a frontal RCS between 0.1 to 1 m^2 (-10 to 1 dBsm), which is comparable to that of a clean F-18E Super Hornet or Tomahawk cruise missile. Do you see anyone referring either as Stealth? And no, contrary to the fanboys this isn’t some all-aspect RCS (there is no such thing). Sukhoi’s patent was explicit on it being from the selected angle [Frontal aspect] corresponding to that of Su-27’s 10-15 m^2 RCS. That’s at least 1,000 to 10,000 times bigger than F-22 and F-35 (-40 dBsm). Since detection range is proportional to the 4th root of RCS, even a 1,000 times bigger RCS corresponds to a radar detecting Felon from nearly 6 times greater range. That is an enormous disparity in detection range that is simply impossible to overcome by any other means. SU-57 will be on the ground bevore it can see the F-22... Incidentally, the Su-57 is unique among fifth-generation aircraft in its continued use of a UV-based Missile Warning System (MWS) with the 101KS-U. This reliance constitutes a significant handicap in modern beyond-visual-range (BVR) combat due to the rapid absorption of UV emissions from missile motors by ozone, which increases in concentration by a factor of six at higher altitudes. The Su-57 is considered a 5th gen. aircraft because a large number of people want it to be; even if it means turning a blind eye to a number of irrefutable facts to the contrary. So stop Lying...
I’m not sure I agree that the material of the f-22 is less stealthy than the material of the 57. I think the 22 has the stealth shape and the materials just increase stealth whereas the 57 doesn’t have a stealth shape and relies almost entirely on the ram however I’d wager ram to ram alone the raptors have the advantage despite the advantage from the angles and overall shape.
That's pretty much what I've come to understand also. The Chinese and Russian ram are nowhere near what are used in the f-22 and even less so the f-35. But their shapes are generally stealth like.
It’s already a well known fact the 57 is very bad stealth wise, our radars can detect the plane much earlier than the 22 head on because of the very obvious flaw in engine inlet design. The idiotic engine placement on 57 throws all the radar right back out towards the acft scanning it. The 22 intakes hide the engine and absorb all the radar returns in the S shape intake. The Felon is a joke, has very bad reliability problems and is way overrated.
Well the biggest liability for the SU57 is the fact that it's basically a test bed with no ability to even be combat ready anytime in the near future. And that's if they even are able to build anymore😂 And when it comes to the ram, doesn't matter what they have and it doesn't matter what's on the f-22, because Fat Amy will probably blow the su-57 out of the air before it even knows it's in combat. Because we know that the RAM on it is way more advanced then what was on the F-22
Why do you think the Su57 doesn't have the "stealth shape"? If you google "stealth planform alignment" you'll realise thats not true and that the Su57s shape is the result of following those principles, it's why all stealth planes look similar, the only concession they've made is going with a partial S Intake instead of full S intake or DSI for the engines, they are heavily relying on RAM, a radar blocker and soon composite IGV to help minimize the reflections
It had not been used in Ukrainian airspace. It fired long range missiles from inside Russia territory because Russia is terrified to lose one of the handful of active planes that they have. The Su-57 is just another one of Russia's bluffs. Kyiv in 3 days, Kyiv in 3 days! 😂
@@FishandHuntthey did reach kyiv tho in less than 3 days, Russia retreated because elenski faked a negotiation again to get them to retreat, Russia really thought Ukraine would've come to their senses guess not 😂
Этот мужик так много говорит о невидимости, но он забыл как в Югославии был сбит американский самолет нивидимка стелс из старенькой совестской пво с-125. Извините мы не знали , что он невидимый 😂 😂😂😂
Господа американцы. Я хочу вам сказать, что не так уж и невидимы ваши самолёты. Если его су30 находит в нейтральной территории над Балтийским морем. А когда су30 подлетает к вашей невидимка и включает электронный прибор помех у вашего невидимки выходит из строя вся электроника. Подумайте хорошо над невидимостью этих самолётов. Нет таких пока технологий пока у человечества, но оно двигается к этому. Просто производители оружия вытягивают миллиардами деньги со своих правительств. Если ваш самолёт невидимка пятого поколения обнаруживает самолёт поколения 4++
Что-то они про испытания сушки в Сирии не слова. Разведка прозевала "видимый" для них самолёт. А потом су-57 охотился на их самолёты 5-го поколения и фотографировал - они тоже со своими современными "радами" его не увидели. Так, что пусть продолжают верить в свою же выдумку.
Even if Russian and American aircraft can be considered equal (they are not), American pilots get 3 times the flight hours in training. The skill gap between Russian and western pilots that can actually afford flight hours for both the airframe and pilots, is too great. It doesn't help that Russians are losing pilots at an alarming rate in Ukraine.
Russian aviation in their current sanctioned world will make it difficult for them to update the AESA radar. Either way, I highly doubt the SU 57 would ever see the F22 at range.
Not at all. Russia gets whatever they want through China and India. Also to prove a point, Russia is producing more precision guided missiles now, despite sanctions. Sanctions are virtually worthless in slowing Russia's war machine.
@@DonDezzOh you mean that great radar That Couldn't Shoot down Himars? Or the storm Shadows that just sang Russian ships in port? Also there's a huge difference in being able to know that there's a stealth aircraft in your airspace, and the ability to actually track let alone get a solid missile lock on that aircraft😂 And contrary to what your simp self thinks literally every technological claim that Russia has made has been proven to be either greatly exaggerated or flat-out false in the past 2 years
So far, the Su 57 can lead and fight with 4 hunter-type drones . But the Russian Federation has already developed drones that fight Swarms with artificial intelligence. But for now, the swarm is being created from small drones. In the future, the Su 57 can also fight against a swarm of drones
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Sure it can. I mean even if everything you said was true, which nobody in the world believes that, they don't even have 10 of them that they can put in the air. And the ability of the Russians to even build anymore in the near future is very doubtful not only that but the past two years have taught us that anything Russia claims technologically is probably at least 20 years behind what they claim
Well 1st the f22 holds 6 amraams in its middle bay, and 1 sidewinder in each of his 2 side bays. Now when the air force starts accepting the Peregrine missile, that center bay payload will double.
I'll take the F-22 everyday. From everything I gather the U.S.A just trains more and they have what 6 that can fly? Training over everything in the end. Plus I think the plane is just better lol
Says Russia, and we all know how little we can trust from the Russians. If it’s as good as you’re claiming, Russia would be showcasing its abilities in Ukraine as nothing works better to get arms sales than to see them perform well in wartime conditions. If Russia truly had a 5th gen fighter, Russia would be able to use them to find HIMARS and Patriot batteries. Instead Russia keeps them far from the front lines out of fear they’ll get shot down. In the meantime, the HIMARS and Patriots continue to impress nations worldwide, and it’s resulted in very large sales.
@@richardschipper5989 Exactly! Russia can’t even put into service AESA radar, which has significant EW and counter EW abilities, and the F-22’s is 4th gen AESA, built off of over 20years and thousands of aircraft experience.
If that were the case then why does the Su-57 need cheek-mounted X-bands? The F-22 was originally supposed to have a similar apparatus, but this was scrapped because the AN/ALR-94 was robust enough to provide targeting data even after the aircraft turned away from its target.
Если Радар в обмороке то F22 не повезло (у F22/F35 1 АФАР станция, то у Су-57 их 6! +Пассивные сенсоры по всему фюзеляжу) 1 на носу 1 на хвосте (АФАР) и по 2 на каждом крыле (РОФАР- РадиоОптическая Фазированная Антенная Решетка с ее помощью можно заглядывать в трюм противника с расстояния в 500 Километров!)!
No matter how the F-22 fans humiliate the SU-57, the F-22 pilots’ anuses will begin to shrink in the sky if they somehow find out that the SU-57 is somewhere nearby.
@@davout5775 It’s you who consider yourself the exclusive nation and hegemon on the planet. You do not tolerate any other opinion than your own. You have turned the once free Europe into your sixes. You do not tolerate competition, and now that Russia has challenged your hegemony, it has technical, political, economic and military means. The opposite statement is not true.
@@lelawoods7910 It seems that the consciousness of the American man in the street has stopped developing since the 90s of the last century and apparently then lost its objectivity. I will try to answer if your “most democratic” RUclips does not delete my answer again.
It seems that the consciousness of the American man in the street has stopped developing since the 90s of the last century and apparently then lost its objectivity. I will try to answer if your “most democratic” RUclips does not delete my answer again.
@@donstaggs3827yea Because Russians don't value stealth. The F22 is built with RAM, among other things, so it is difficult for the SU57 radar to detect the F22 in time.
@@donstaggs3827 These Russian jets with their superior long-range L band radar will always know exactly where the f-22 and F-35's are. They'll approach them head on, being able to shoot down them down from BVR while remaining undetected. The US stealth fighter jets would not even detect them coming!
I studied the SU-57 and it's more practical than F-22. They recently realized the SU-57M which is capabile of shooting targets behind it. Our engineers seriouly need to step up the game.
Hi everyone! About topic F-22A vs Su-57 ,I can write only one thing .F-22A would do very badly against Su-57 just like F-15C did vs Su-27S in several joint 'friendly' tactical air exercises between 1992 and 1996 held in USAF Langley AFB and Russian Lipetsk and Savasleyka air bases. Does anyone here know for those exercises and what was the result at the end of it ?
Good analysis, but i would have left out the air to ground role capabilities, since these are aicrafts designed for sky domination. Making the SU-57 as a more multirole aicraft, puts it in even more disadvantage against the f-22 in a 1 vs 1 faceoff. Could be nice to talk a little about the AN/ALR-94 radar aswell and the new coatings that are being applied to the F-22.
@@FishandHunt 😂 Who told you about 3 days ? Sleepy Joe & accomplices ? CNN ? You like to talk about “short operations“ ? Ok, you’re welcome : let’s start with Vietnam war and Afghanistan …
@@canon5dmk336 I'm not American or from a country that's part of NATO but cool story bro. The USSR was soundly beaten after spending 10 years in Afghanistan in the 80's, losing > 15,000 soldiers and greatly contributing to its total collapse. You can laugh about past American failures all you want but on day 690 of Putin’s disastrous 10 day 'Special Military Operation' a majority of the world is laughing at the current Russian failure in Ukraine 😂
@@FishandHunt I’m not american and but I live in a stupid country member of NATO. America was not « bored » but evict from Afghanistan after 20 years. Evicted by people with vintage Enfields and Kalashnikovs and DIY rockets. Special Operation is the name of the operation, do you want other funny names from US operations ? Here they are (small part) : Operation Magic Carpet Operation Barroom Operation Mincemeat Operation Barbarossa Operation Vittles Operation Cateshism Operation Desert Storm Operation Wrath of God Operation Rolling Thumber Operation Mascot Operation Babylift Operation Overlord Etc … Etc … The end
I know it is a video game, but since both have top secret secrets on exactly what they can do and cannot do it is very hard to know how they would perform in a combat situation. Going by data we know about my bet would be on the Raptor. In the end it would all come down to Pilot skill and Experience. I am not a Pilot, but that is what I see from everything I have learned.
while true i think the safest bet is the raptor, its been in service longer which means pilots have had more experience with the aircraft, US has alot more experience with stealth aircraft and what we know in general about stealth and how certain attibutes can lower or raise a fighters RCS i think its clear that the SU57 is at a very clear disadvantage. But lets also not forget how badly the SU is doing interms of numbers, russia is still really struggling to get them out the factory line.
@@Xavier28200 Have you got any evidence to show that, becuase when it comes to numbers SU57 is a minefield, everyone saying its 10-15-20 and nobody citing a source for confirmation. Either way While F22 is out of production the US and NATO are closer to 6th gen then russia and in the meantime US is pumping out thousands of F35s which numerically gives its a much much larger edge.
Is Russia learning via Ukraine conflict that drone, stand-off weapons, hypersonic is more valuable than fighters, regardless of generations. Especially when it comes to numbers? We tout our carriers (targets), they talk subsurface vessels...and icebreakers. If you get down to slugging it out on the ground?? Diesel/electric hybrid tanks with superior on station time and maintenance...now equivalent advancement in armor and target identification/acquisition/firing capability v. turbine engine hardware (with high heat signature)? Are we merely getting ripped off by corrupt politicians, military "leadership," and corrupt defense contractors. Compromise of personnel with toxic vaccinations...willingly? Accountability time...
It's time to properly identify the enemy. It's way past time to stop the Democrat v. Republican "psyop." It's why the Founders despised political "parties." It is deception intended to Distract, and to DIVIDE (and conquer). The enemy is skilled at being the deceiver...and we've proven the skilled deceived. It's a We the People (NOT for whom the Founders hoped and sacrificed) v. an enemy entity the Founders intended to be chosen by us, to work FOR us. We've been deceived...allowed OUR government (all three branches) to become fully corrupted; a Uniparty monster owned, bribed, or extorted/blackmailed by the LONG HERE Globalist-Corporatist One World Government. Our division is making it easy for them to implement the Great Reset. George Orwell's "1984" (published 1949)was not a fictional novel describing a "dystopion future." He was merely REPORTING on a "dystopion now" already long in process.
I recently saw F-22s flying at an airshow here in Huntington Beach, CA. I saw...... alien UFO technology on display. 😂 😂 I saw a plane *fall* out of the sky, then start flying again. This description doesn’t adequately describe what I saw, so I’ll stick with the “alien UFO technology” description. It has amazing flight characteristics. And although not really important, I think the F-22 is the *coolest* looking fighter plane in existence. I’ve only seen SU-57 in simulator programs. It has some amazing flight characteristics as well. But I really don’t understand the need for thrust-vectoring in a platform that is not primarily designed for “dog fighting.” My understanding of the modern role of these advanced airframes is that they will track and fire at targets far outside the plane’s danger zone for anti-aircraft attacks. It’s an over-the-horizon, fire and forget platform in part due the advanced data sharing capabilities of modern equipment. So why does the F-22, or the Su-57, *need* thrust vectoring capability? Where besides an air show is this ability going to be useful in the typical missions to which these planes are tasked?
It is for dogfighting. Even though both Russia and the US (and other superpowers) don't openly say so because that would increase already heightened global tensions. I also agree with you, after seeing flight shows on RUclips, that it is amazing tech. Like the alien tech people claimed to see over Area 51 back in the day and the government denied as hoaxes.
In my modest opinion, F-22 incorporates thrust vectoring for two reassons: 1) to show the world that it can also do those crazy stunts that the Russians were able to perform with their Flankers and even MiGs over 30 years ago; 2) not to take any chances and be prepared for any case scenario… As for the Su-57; the Russians have always believed in dogfights, but other than that, they were aware of the benefits of tvc, such as greater maneuverability which allows for easier dodging of incoming threats and also breaking radar locks since such maneuvers aided by tvc allow the Flanker to move slow or even reach zero speed and that would make enemy radar lost track for a few seconds…
@@flanker8724 Again, well said. Missile evasion is, indeed, another important benefit of supermaneuverability. The US doesn't focus on this aspect partly because they have significantly smaller fuel tanks (and hence, range) than Russian fighter jets and thus they cannot afford to spend excess time flying around doing aerial acrobatics in dogfights as they will run out of fuel much quicker. Which is an advantage the Russian fighter jets can use against them. The Russians can win dogfights by simply making WVR combat take too long and the American planes will be forced to retreat or run out of fuel.
I recommend to learn more technical data about the Su-57, it is about 15-20 years more advanced compared to the Craptor which was designed in 90ies. Geez, what an expert, just think about computer technology in 90ies compared past 2010. This gap is evident in favour to the Su-57
It's only useless if you want to play and pretend aircraft are like GI Joe's. In reality, if the pilot can't use the plane properly, the plane is almost irrelevant. I could race a pro Race car driver in a ferrari when he's in a 350z. That doesn't mean i'm going to win because I have the better car.
Странный обзор. Половина "преимуществ" сводится к простому "русские отстают на 5-10 лет". И никаких доказательств. С чего вдруг радары ф22 лучше? Возможно вы видели их возможности, возможно. Но вы точно не знаете возможности Су57. С двигателями та же история: почему американский двигатель лучше? Вот почему? Технология у США уже старая, не развивается последние годы, в то время, как в РФ стали ставить двигатели второго этапа, свежей разработки. Я к тому говорю, что вы даже не видели возможности российского самолёта, вы просто априори считаете, что если что-то произведено в США, то оно лучше. Это далеко не всегда так. Банальный пример - что там с гиперзвуком
The su57 has canards and very aggressive vectored thrust and IR search and track everything about it is for dogfighting not really anything else is around like that though so up close it’s king
You forgot to mention SU57 thrust vectoring. New engines will have a stealthier nozzle as well. Also the tail fins on F22 are larger and produce more drag. Moreover F22 doesnt have cheek and rear mounted radars, nor programmable leading edge extensions.
The Su-57 movable LERX are needed because the tailplanes are so small they become totally ineffective at high alpha. Watch IRL when it does a cobra. It sometimes cartwheels out of it because it loses yaw control. DCS does not model this at all, but every flight demo exhibits the same flaw. Thrust vectoring should fix that, I would think.
@@rightiswrongrightiswrong806 Absolutely! Why do you think otherwise? We don't train for it because it's suicide in combat, but many aircraft CAN do it.
This is not a competition. We are looking at two great planes. I see in the comments how ignorant some people can be. As the commentator says we would not want to see these planes fighting against each other. Did this ring any bells for you? It would mean a war between Russia and the USA. Most likely a nuclear war. So please grow up and stop and think what we have invented here as human beings. These planes are a great example of our engineering capabilities be that US or Russian. And the SU57 is not a finished product yet and nor is the F22.And stealth alone is not a guarantee to success in the air. Remember Yugoslavia? So please stop the us and them mentality and embrace what the commentator is saying. Alternatively do your own research. Thanks for bringing such a great video to us as you always do.
I know you're a Russian fanboy but all the information on the Su is Russian disinformation. Because every analyst I've ever talked to says that at most it might qualify for an early Gen 4 plane. And if it's anything like their tank that was supposed to compete with the Abrams it will be trash. Russians lie about the capabilities in the positive we lie about our capabilities in the negative. Meaning Russia says their s***'s better than it really is we say our stuff is worse than it really is. But hey keep thinking Russia is equal to us they're not
Not sure if you’ve seen the history books but WAR is human nature. It’s the one failsafe Mother Nature put into all of us so we can self destruct if we get too out of hand. Just look at all the great civilizations of the past
Last time I checked the 3D vectoring is far superior to what the F22 has to offer. By far superior > meaning that SU57 will outmanuver the F22 in a dog fight 9/10 times!
And just by the by, the SU57 has been estimated to be at least 3 times more manoeuvrable than the F22... What ever else is true, the SU57 is EASILY the most manoeuvrable lane on the planet!
@@sovietpineapple7938 Well, it's not, actually.... Having better high alpha manouvering, will ALWAYS give you the advantage in a dogfight. F22 doesn't have high off bore sight...
@@josephforrest3713 LOAL can compensate for the lack of HMCS and still allow for HOBS with radar cueing, not as optimal but definitely still there. And what's your source for the 3x greater maneuverability?
@@sovietpineapple7938 It's not in the same league as a proper helmet systems. Well, it has levcons for a start lol. The main purposes of these solutions are to control the boundary layer of air, modify the lift and drag forces generated by the wings. In addition to enhancing high-alpha capabilities, such as enabling flight at higher angles of attack and reducing stall speed, levcons also offer an improved lift-to-drag ratio across a broader range of attack angles, higher sustained turn rates, and enhanced directional controllability. The potential applications of the leading-edge vortex controller are extensive. Then it has leading edge flaps. "The leading-edge droop flap is a device on the leading edge of aircraft wings designed to improve airflow at high angles of attack. The droop flap is similar to the leading-edge slat and the Krueger flap, but with the difference that the entire leading edge section rotates downwards, whereas the slat and Krueger flap are panels which move away from the wing leading edge when it is deployed" - Wikipedia It has more thrust to weight potential, with more powerful engines, with a more modern, lighter fuselage. These engines themselves, are only in their initial iteration. By all account, there are 2 more iterations being developed. Which means higher kinematic performance. The F22 is a great bird. And has excellent manoeuvrability. But it doesn't have anywhere near as much yaw axis control. And lacks many of the control surfaces that the SU57 has, that offer it such an amazing sustained turn rates, and... Lets be honest, jaw dropping capabilities. You've seen the video's, right?
You forgot to mention maintenance costs and reliability; the F-22 takes forever to get airborne, cannot land on bad runways and costs a fortune to maintain. The US is broke and the dollar will die soon; what’s your point with this video anyway ⁉️😂🌸💕❤️👍
@@bone-snypa the F-22 fleet required over 40 hours of maintenance per flight hour. It seems that as the fleet has aged, the maintenance requirements have increased considerably. The F-22 cost per lifecycle of one Raptor is an estimated $334 million. The US is broke and the only F-22 air to air kill was a freaking Chinese balloon. Pull your head out of your anus.
They shot down a singular stealth aircraft that had an uncoated bay. Plus if the radar tech had followed their orders they would have not fired up their radar a 3rd time because an anti-radiation missile would kill then.
@@captainhellhound7451 Shot down one F117! YES! But they hit 3 more F 117s! And who knows how many more they shot but missed or discovered but didn't shoot! And all this with radars and systems produced 50+ years ago and at a time when the maintenance of those systems was very bad due to the sanctions and wars of the previous years!
@@dejanera74 damn I guess being able to shoot down first Gen tech one time, hitting it a total of 4 times ever, and firing missiles and then missing (probably because the missile couldn’t keep lock) totally destroys modern day stealth tech.
@@captainhellhound7451 There are many reasons why it is missed. For example, one B-1B was missed because it was fired upon when it was in range of the SA-3 rockets, but with its speed it managed to escape and both rockets exploded behind it. Equipment malfunction also often contributed to misses. There was also the firing of rockets at a target that only came into range for a short time. Also failures of the rocket itself or loss of tracking.
Government and military doing a complete 180 and SERIOSULY reconsidering retrofitting the F-22 Raptor and I will personally start a riot if those raptors are not called "King Raptors". Only C&C vets will understand.
You can't say what any planes radar cross section looks like until you get it on AWACS. To speculate on what any gov't releases as offical data is dumb and unrealistic.
@@JSFGuy How many F-22 crashed? F-22 Pilot Safe After Landing Gear Mishap at Eglin | Air ... The F-22 fleet, which now numbers 182 aircraft, has experienced 32 “Class A” mishaps and 50 “Class B” accidents over the past 21 years. A Class A accident involves a fatality, loss of the aircraft, or more than $2.5 million in damage.
The part you didn’t cover was how would missiles lock on to target either stealth aircraft. If the missiles can’t target and track either plane then it comes down to a dick waving contest. lol
I think Russia and Iran took a slightly different approach than say China. I think they understand that when it comes to actual fighter jets, the best tactical approach is missile dominance. You cant produce near as many Su 57 as the US has of F35 and F22 and they aren't far superior, but comparable. But missile technology and advanced air defenses have been more practical and closed the gap rapidly
Да, ты прям капитан очевидность😂
About the crossection battles. SU57 is not built as a direct competitor to F22, it is built to be the hunter for F22 with longer wave radar built in wings, estimating where the F22 flyes. Great planes, both, anyway. I hope they wont dogfight for real.
Dogfight for fun without real weapons would still be interesting to see. Will probably come down to the skill of the pilot in each plane.
@@SewTubular yeah, somewhere on the airshow, tbat would be a top attraction. But we definetely need a different level of state relations for that.
Muahahaaa.
Longer wave radar is useless for targeting. Detection and successful engagement are completely different beasts. Fidelity matters in beyond visual range engagements. And make no mistake, it will be BVR.
@@freedomseeds4713 Sure, LR radars are for just having the understanding that F22 is around and a rough approximation where, so say SU35 following the SU57 as a misile trucks or SU57 itself can launch some mad dog misiles in a direction of threat. Sure it will be BVR with an AWACS and ground radars on ... at least for some time. Lets hope it is not a real scenario.
F-22 the balloon killer!
Su-57, all 8 active aircraft 😂
I agree The Su 57 is like a balloon.
@@Madcracka POP! 😄
@@FishandHunt Su-57 shoot down Ukrainian Mig-29 at distance of 400km. We will hardly see the raptor prove something similar. Made in the USA is no longer the best.
Not even that maybe 4, they are vaporware, this video is useless, he is talking Russia's word on the SU 57, if they exist why they are not deployed in Ukraine?
Correction F22 can carry 6x AMRAAMS. So 6x 120s and 2x 9s for a total loadout.
With the choice of an additional 8 AMRAAM's if they decide to use the four underwing pylons in a non-stealth mode, such as CAP missions.
So one F22 can almost shoot down the whole fleet of su-57s 😂
@@notanymore9471It has guns. It can wipe them all out. There's only 7 now.
I always laugh at these delusional comments 😅 F-22 is a superb jet, I've seen them close but don't underestimate other countries capabilities.
Especially when most other court rows especially like Russia and China keep their newest stuff too secret. For all we know, they could have updated all the tech in the su 57 much more whereas the raptors have ceased production. @@kgchinlumayna
the winner depends whos making the video content is
That's true
Rarely unbiased and professional review. Of course he'll favor F22 stealth capabilities cause Raptor is about stealth and better EW for BVR combat. Su57 capabilities are actually unknown but obviously lack stealth and it's built different way. We simply don't know what would happen until those two eventually fight. F-22 also has no a2a kills except balloon..
Nice try troll.
есть информация, что су-57 применяется в войне на украине. Пока это на уровне слухов, но вряд ли Россия упустит шанс испытать су-57 в реальных боях на украине
Don’t fool yourself, the F-22 is no match to the SU-57.
The SU-57 is faster, has a longer range and it can engage air targets from a bigger distance than the F-22 can.
The F-22 is one of the greatest aircraft ever build, but in a air to air fight the Su-57 will win.
почему ты думаешь, что у су-57 не хватает скрытности? Откуда у тебя такая информация?
@@alexradzhabov6624 never said SU-57 has no stealth, how would I know that, of course. I'm just referring to publicly known data and RCS for SU-57 is unknown. In my subject opinion SU-57 should be superior in every way to F-22 simply because it's newer and more up to date, Russian tech is underestimated quite often by the West and then surprise, surprise, they are really good....but we wouldn't know for sure until they actually meet in real combat . That's all I'm saying.
It is rumored that Russia has put a photonic radar on the Su-57. My understanding is that would make stealth pretty useless.
A big nothing burger. Photonic radar experiences about 50 times the attenuation of normal radar. Ergo, you would need a nuclear power generator on the Su-57 to have any sort of viable range with it.
I have no idea. I agree though! Stealth has the ultimate weakness if someone asked me. Peace!
The stealth places a big role see first shoot first. Putting the other guy on the defensive. This is one area where the F22 excels.
According to Yemeni authorities, an F22 was shot down near the capital Sanaa. And how much talk there was about the most invulnerable invisible aircraft. The Houthis in slippers simply did not know that this was the most formidable US aircraft, otherwise they would not have touched it.
@@krendel49someone didn't do their homework 😂, 20 mins after houties claimed to have shot down a f22 the Pentagon released a list of the planes involved (no F22) and none of the planes were shot down, why was there no f22? Well the f22 is a air to air platform and it has no air to surface capabilities, the planes that actually were there were , 15 f18 super hornets, 4 euro fighter typhoons 3 ddgs, a carrier and some submarines, please stop listening to your local Russian propaganda channel, as for the video the su-57 would either be shot before it even gets in to the air or run out of fuel 30 miles from the runway
@@krendel49у американцев все что есть в плоде до рогатки это называют супероружие,😂
@@krendel49they make empty claims like Russia. United States already showed that never happened.
@@krendel49There's no way you actually believe that lmao. Not a single shred of evidence exists for the shoot down.
each f22 is coated with a special paint that reduces its radar visibility and is abnormally expensive. that paint is damaged at high speeds, heats up and cracks. So it has to be maintained regularly. one Hour of Flight f22 costs $70,000
The only thing killing America is the bloody expensive contractors. Russia doesn't have those contractors.
цена одного мешочка с гайками .
Money well spent😂merica
The Felon is a great looking plane
So what. So is the F-22.
@@UnCannyValley67cool story
Yes.. love that huge teal arch in the cockpit 🤭
@@ice_fox hey what ever floats your boat 🍻
@@UnCannyValley67 So what. So is the SU-57
Quick question… how did he get access to a S57? Is Russia allowing us to just walk up to their jets
Russia's internal security is *atrocious*.
As you says 😅@@TheNerdForAllSeasons
@@TheNerdForAllSeasons🤣🤣🤣 настолько ужасна что перехватывают даже разговоры офицеров НАТО, немцы не дадут соврать.
Вы все еще думаете что Россия это та Россия которая была в 90х-2000х годах?
Вы очень сильно ошибаетесь
I mean they don't let you walk up to F-22s either lmao, this is just speculation based on known data.
@@Palestinec500Конечно не та, всё гораздо хуже... Скоро нечем будет на параде бряцать, клоуны... Одни понты
Hell, if you ask me, comparison between similar platforms comes down to quality of build, logistics, maintenance, and most importantly... the man behind the machine. In this case the pilot. When it comes down to comparable platforms, the more skilled, open minded, operator wins :}.
They are not similar. Not even close.
You would be wrong, you can put mario andretti behind a ford contour the car wont compete.
You got me there, but I did say comparable platforms. :}. And the F22 is no contour. If you put Andretti in the same Indy car as an inexperienced driver with a poor pit crew, I'm betting on Mario. @@hawkslayer2351
The F-22 also has an edge being that it actually exists in numbers and is combat ready. Kind of an important factor.
@@roseivory8496 What type category is that? Inferior? You're right, we don't have any of those.
@@roseivory8496 You can bot simp all you want, the entire world literally believes nothing Russia has to say based on their decades of blatant pathological lying. You all did this to yourselves.
@@roseivory8496 It is a 5th gen fighter based on Ivan's claims, but that's all it is, claims. If there's one thing we've learned about Ivan over the decades it's that he lies, A LOT. Even when there's facts proving their lie, they still do it. If the SU-57 really existed as you say it is, they would have been able to gain more air superiority over Ukraine which they haven't been able to do, at all. It should just be called the "SU-57 Speculation" as far as the world is concerned.
@@roseivory8496 No, they aren't used because there's not even a handful of them operable! I have nothing further to say to your responses based on factless claims made by a pathological lying country. They lie and then lie some more, and everyone knows it. I'll believe it when I see it.
@@roseivory8496 the SU 57 has been used in both Syria and the Ukraine. Sorry mate that you have missed this news.
There are too many assumptions about the Russian radars, and what's actually fitted in Su57. This is crucial information to perform assessment beteeen F22 and Su57. We really don't know if Su57 will spot F22, as simple is that. Assuming it doesn't is just that - an assumption.
The Su-30 sees the f-22 perfectly. The radar on the Su-57 is more modern. In 2018, the Su-57 was tested in Syria, it was able to fly unnoticed to the Khmeimi base, and then twice approached American 5th generation aircraft and photographed them in different signatures. The pilot on the f-35 saw it only when he looked up. I am glad that the Su-57 is old and noticeable for you - it will be a big surprise.
Exactly . Only Russian Test Pilot Viktor Bogdan knows and few Dozen Russian Engineers ! That's why Viktor Travels with FSB Body gourds right . ! Russian Airforce just Released - Su - 57M Felon with new Engine more Cruse speed and 6 % Fuel Efficiency and 1500 MH Cruising !!!! Watch out US !!!!
@@papatamExcept at no point did that actually happen.
@@sovietpineapple7938 If the TV didn't tell you, then it wasn't? Of course, for your peace of mind, of course it wasn't.
@@papatam No, I base my statement off the fact that Russian MoD has not released a statement of an incident like that ever occurring, nor is there any form of proof that it ever happened.
"Fly unnoticed to Khemeimi air base"
Khemeimim airbase is Russian, not American.
"Photographed them"
Oh cool, so there's photos? That must mean you have easy, irrefutable evidence of this event happening, right? Mind linking them, O' great prophet of truth?
"The pilot on the F-35 saw it only when he looked up"
There weren't any US F-35s in Syria until August 2023. Even if there were, there's a nigh 0% chance this would happen; The F-35's DAS would immediately pick up the 57's infrared signature, because its engines has absolutely no concealment.
Quit the act and just say you made this shit up, it's so obvious to anyone with a modicum of aviation knowledge.
One thing to note is that the US is putting alot of money into stealth pods that would replace external pilons. So theoretically you can up arm both the F35 and F22 with these pods that will probably have a stealthy shape and added RAM on them to gice these planes longer ranges or more numerous weapons while still being stealth, obviously the RCS will be somewhat increased but if the pod wont add much more RCS then the F22 is going to have an insane edge being able to probably throw 6-10 more missiles per plane
F22's only combat mission was to shoot down a balloon, wow.
SU-57 hasn’t even been deployed in the active war it’s country is at.
How many su-57’s are there?
@@usa5893su57 has successfully conducted multiples bombing against a NATO armed nation in ukr. No patriot batteries has taken them out. The US will never fly f22 or f35 against russia only against primitive militias in the ME
Well yes because by the time the Ruskies figured out how to cover the exposed nuts on a Su-57, NATO created F-35 which kinda forced the F-22 into being only an Air Superiority fighter jet.
now you know it can shoot down a balloon. how many balloons have the su57 shot?
People at Aircraft 101 did independent radar scattering simulations for the f-35, Su-57, J-20 and the Rafale. And it's pretty interesting. The best is the F-35 with an average frontal radar cross section of 0.06m^2, the J-20 gets 0.21m^2 and the SU-57 0.48m^2. The SU-57 is quite a bit less stealthy than other stealth aircraft, but compared to the Rafale, with a whopping 2m^2, it really isn't that bad, for what essentially is a flying barn. The J-20 isn't all that smaller than the su-57 and halves the radar reflectivity and the f-35 is just amazingly stealthy. Two things to consider also are; first radar absorbent materials were not modeled, just the shape was considered, second the values presented are average frontal radar cross sections which are representative of a real world scenarios, what the official figures usually probably cite is the minimal frontal cross section (so when you are looking at the plane from a specific angle), those values are much lower.
Sukhoi claims Su-57 having a RCS "goal" between 0.1 to 1 m^2 (-10 to 1 dBsm). The F-22 and F-35 has a RCS better than -40 dBsm - which is at least 1,000 to 10,000 times smaller than Su-57. The frontal RCS of Su-57 simulated by Aircraft 101 isn't really 0.48m^2. Actually, even the X-band across 20°, as illustrated in the 'Contour Plot-Su57-20x20Deg-X-Band' within this simulation, demonstrates this. Although I cannot link to the image here on RUclips, you should be familiar with it if you have reviewed the study's findings.
Observe the regions shaded in orange and red? These indicate spikes of 5.5 dBsm and 10 dBsm (equivalent to 10 m^2), attributed to the exposure of engine fan blades, despite the implementation of a proposed radar blocker and the application of RAM coatings on the inlet wall, as simulated in the study. The placement of these elements across the center ensures they cannot be avoided, rendering the Felon especially susceptible to surface radars and SAMs. This vulnerability also greatly inhibits its ability to cruise at higher altitudes. Thus, the idea of maintaining a 0.5 m^2 RCS is unrealistic; in real-world conditions, the Felon's instantaneous RCS will significantly exceed that figure.
Incidentally, the Su-57 is unique among fifth-generation aircraft in its continued use of a UV-based Missile Warning System (MWS) with the 101KS-U. This reliance constitutes a significant handicap in modern beyond-visual-range (BVR) combat due to the rapid absorption of UV emissions from missile motors by ozone, which increases in concentration by a factor of six at higher altitudes. The Su-57 is considered a 5th gen. aircraft because a large number of people want it to be; even if it means turning a blind eye to a number of irrefutable facts to the contrary.
@@EtaLeporis In other words the russians' claims about the stealth capabilities of Su-57 match the independant test being done, while the US' claims are inflated by several orders of magnitude compared to the independant test.
Yes, sounds business as usual. Abrams invincible - gets knocked down by a single T-72 shot. Patriot being so much better than the "overhyped" S-400, gets destroyed by garage-build Yemeni drones (the saudi Patriots incident).
@@Fullgrym And F-35 is only operational 29% of the battle! If that!
@@Fullgrym Because independent studies don't account for RAM or EW, only the airframe shape. Having your officially published RCS values close to independent studies is a *bad* thing.
@@sovietpineapple7938 you are actually talking nonsense.
On one hand you believe US' claims about F-35's level of stealth despite tests contradicting it, saying EW, radar absorbing paint and other factors are surely working well enough to reach official numbers, but on the other hand you completely disregard Russia's ability to create the same contributing factors?
Brother, lower the cope.
doesn't the F-22 have room for six AMRAAM, not four like you said? I believe the Su-57 can carry anywhere from four to six Fox 3's in it's two bays, some sources claim eight but picture what looks like four comically small R-77 in the rear bay and four more little R-27 in the forward bay. I'll assume this isn't true, as it's the only photo I can find, and only a handful of non-credible articles.
@@nicholasmiller1406 really? even with all the pictures showing it with six? you can see pictures with it carrying six AiM-120 very commonly, and in an empty bay there are very clearly six pylons.
@@nicholasmiller1406wrong, you can find pictures very easily showing that it can carry six of the 120s + 2 Aim9x
@@Wyomingchief bro must've used google for the first time in his life and deleted his comment 🤣
Yes it’s 6.
Source: I work on missiles and work directly with the loaders.
@@youngthieff ok thanks. That’s what I thought but good to make sure 👍
6:40 Actually, it holds 6 AIM120 sized missiles in it's center weapons bay but you've probably already been told this 3 dozen times in 3 days.
The number I've heard is 4 AIM-120-sized missiles, although 6 like the F-22 seems reasonable. 8 is definitely too many, as the tandem bays would have to be twice as long, and the airframe just isn't big enough for that. I've never seen any actual photos of the Su-57 carrying anything, so nothing can be said to be confirmed.
The F-22 can carry as many SDBs internally as the F-35 or the F-16 (externally for the latter), which would be 8.
I never thought that Dr. Snuggles would betray us, but it must be him. No one else on this planet can make stealth fighters out of disassembled washing machines, not even MacGyver can do that 🤡🤣
The British announced a new level, now from refrigerators. freeze
@@r0mi44freezing doubles the damage from the next attack and stuns the enemy of course
My conclusions:
The Su-57 is a newer aircraft (designed more recently) and has several advantages:
-More place for weapons (or alternativly longer and bigger weapons which the F-22 can't do)
-More sensors/radars, some superior
-Better sensor integration/communications
-Superior maneuverability
-Greater range
-Infrared search/track as an alternative to radar. (very useful for stealth aircraft as a passive tracking mode)
-Cheaper maintenance (especially of stealth capabilities)
The F-22 seems still superior in:
-stealth due to conceiled exhausts and other cues
-dry engine power output (nullyfied by higher weight though)
-main radar and SAR
The F-22 can carry 6 AMRAAMs internally, not just 4. Along with 2 AIM-9Xs, that's a total of 8 air-to-air missiles.
For now. They’re shrinking the aim 120s to half their size. I’m not sure if they’re going to be able to fit 12 in the f22 probably. But that would be pretty sick.
@@forfun6273 If you have the AIM-160 CUDA in mind, then yes, it's about half the size of the AIM-120, so the F-22 should be able to carry a total of 12 of them (plus 2 AIM-9Xs) internally. But who knows if/when this missile will become operational. It's really very experimental.
The AIM-260 JATM will probably become operational first, and it's the same size as the AIM-120, with greater range and other improved capabilities.
Obviously stealth would let a fighter get closer to its targets before launching missiles, perhaps even within the missiles' no-escape zone. Once both of the new types of missile are available, do you think the F-22 and F-35 will carry a mix of AIM-160s and AIM-260s? For BVR air-to-air combat, the options will probably be: 6xAIM-260, 12xAIM-160, or 3xAIM-260 + 6xAIM-160. Maybe there could even be a 2xAIM-260 + 8xAIM-160 loadout.
And a 20mm cannon
@@forfun6273 Peregrine and AIM-260 for extreme BVR
The integrated air defense strategy suggests that employing air to air combat is not economic or tactically expedient. Multi-layered defense suggests that going head to head is an idea those at the Pentagon just are not capable of letting go of.
Well trained Russian pilot and a good quality Chinese airplane. Unheard of.
Then you should find out how many Phantoms were shot down by Russian pilots in Vietnam.
Would love to hear you do some break downs of random possible matchups. I.E. F18 v Eurofighter, F-15 v SU35, Mirage 2000 v F16. I know a lot of times it comes down to the pilot. But plane matchup's like these are fun to watch.
F15EX would beat the hell out of Su35, but if there's an F15E there's going to be much harder to do that. Consecutively F15 eagle would highly likely lose to this SU. It all depends on modifications and what they have on board. The F16 of cold era is a literal pile of junk, meantime it's latest modification block70/72 or so called Viper is very very tough opponent, probably close to the same Su35 capabilities wise
@@victorlazari5708😂😂😂любая модификация ф-15 может только убиться о су-35 и ф-22 тоже им подаваться.
@@АлександрШершнёв-р6с ты болен... F15EX в хлам срубит твой су -35, F15E тоже будет неплохие шансы иметь. F22...я просто молчу....он возьмёт сразу трёх и врядле будет даже зацеплен
Biggest difference is how much debt both nations are in
And who actually has to pay their debt if it came down to it.
AH, to whom?
@@memento_mori6454 In Murica Mom and Pop at the grocery store! Until they get their pitch forks out and revolt!
Good point, and who steals from who! USA government are down right crooks!
LRAAM 37 is amongst the best air to air missiles in the world. Su57 boasts longest air to air kill in recorded history at 217 km in Ukraine. Impressive stuff
What video game you did that long kill?
@@Don-Coyote-De-Transylvania epic cope
@@amazingamazigh6847 Except Russia always has zero proof of any claims they ever make. Hell with the number of planes they have claimed to have shot down they could have destroyed the Ukrainian air force twice over HAHAHA. 2 years in and they still don't control the skies. What a pathetic display.
@@Don-Coyote-De-Transylvania no game, just made up of the top of his head lol
Which videogame was this?
Sukhoi has 4 radars.for your info. and infra red search and track device.so it would be very hard for f22 to hide from it
LMAO.......Russia will never put a SU-57 to flight when an F-22 is near by for combat. Russia won't even send one to Ukraine because they can't afford to lose one. they have less than 10 that are operational and less than 5 that are combat ready! There are over 175 fully operational F-22 in service.
@@donstaggs3827 i really dont know why are you laughing...it is true what you wrote but Su57 is more than capable to kill Raptor and that is the fact. No Raptor pilot would be over confident if he would face it
#1, there would be no dog fight. The F22 would not be seen and would shoot down the SU57 from far away. The infra red that you speak of would be useless at that distance along with any radar because the US has superior, advanced stealth that no other country in the world has.@@zagrepcanin82
You won’t find one credible expert who agrees with you. In fact, India left the partnership to develop the Su-57 with Russia because they thought its lack of stealth features was so bad that Russia would need to start all over. The F-22 is far better than the Su-57 in every way imaginable. Stealth, power, radars, sensors, situational awareness, are all in the F-22’s favor.
The US has been using AESA radar for over twenty years and it’s in of aircraft. There’s no way that Russia passed the US, especially since it’s well known that Russia is not a technological leader. The Su-57 also is huge on radar in comparison to the F-22. And when it comes to sensor fusion, situational awareness, stealth, AI, Russia is nowhere near as close technologically as the United States. In fact, what the Ukrainians have found when examining captured Russian weapons is that they are all loaded with US made microchips.
@@Thetequilashooter1 Браво! Пока в США так думают я спокоен за РФ!
Based purely on design, I prefer the Felon.
The Russians build very nice looking aircraft. Mig 29, SU27, Tu22, Tu160
@@kieranh2005 Yes they do, and I'm a fan of the Su-34 Fullback design and concept-wise.
I think the Felon has an edge in maneuverability due to three-dimensional thrust vectoring and it definitely has more internal hardpoints but I also think a merge is very unlikely. You can't hit what you and your seekers can't track.
From what I understand latest version of the Flanker is also a wicked dogfighter.
It has that advantage now, but the new Su-57 engine will only be 2D thrust vectoring like the F22. However, that will also reduce its radar cross section even further.
The raptor still points is nose just as well if not better than the felon with only 2d. Honestly we really don’t know how capable either fighter is, it’s all classified. I do know f22 pilots hold back at air shows and foreign simulation fights.
The felon has 4 internal hard points and the raptor has 8 I don't think having double is less lol
Internal hard points? Raptor can carry 6 tops….
@@erikcourtney1834 six AMRAAM in the center bays, two AiM-9 in the side bays. the Felon can also carry two Fox-2 missiles in side bays but can only carry four in the center bays (unless it uses smaller less capable missiles, in which case it can then carry six. same amount as the raptor.) there are some sources claiming the felon can carry eight but they all use the same picture with comically short existing missiles. basically just a woozle effect.
That's the first time for me to hear a fair and unbiased assessment of an adversary airplane on this channel. Thumbs up 👍 from me.
All Americans are in comment section so of course f-22 will win here
Raptor is so advanced that when he meets Felon, he will develop self-awareness and run away.
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lol nah
Not sure why you think that F-22 radar is superior to the SU-57. It is not based on anything,at all.
Yes it is. No country has been able to keep up with the US when it comes to stealth technology. The SU57 and the J31/J35 can be seen by the US for over 150 miles. No need to dogfight when you can blast them out of the sky without using eyesight.
we know the su57 is based on nothing but ruzzian BS
Thanks for the vid.. two things that are NOT mentioned here... I'm interested to see what your thoughts are. What about the AIM 260 (Which is better than the best AMRAMS) and the 11Billion dollar upgrade they are doing to the F22's now. I THINK - not sure, they are adding all the advanced avionics, the F35 has into the F22 air frame. This will allow the US to fill the gap while they come out w/ the next 6th gen aircraft... thoughts??
They have filmed f22s in the desert with mirror like finishes, we will never know till after they are operational.
My thoughts is this will allow the US to go even further in debt than US$34-trillion!
Their 5th Generation planes are expensive flops ~ so let's start the 6th Generation boondoggles!
I really think people need to talk in a more sophisticated manor, when dealing with the SU57's RCS. Here's a few points that everybody seems to just brush over.
1. The first stage engines (AL41). HUGE. Clearly mucking up it's stealth profile. Not in any way shape or form designed with stealth in mind. The AL51 second stage engines are!
2. Air intakes. The block 2 will reportedly be fitted with intake grilles. People scoff at this as a stealth solution. You know what ELSE had intake grilles... The F117...
3. The weapons bays hadn't been perfected, until recently! Not an easy fix.
4. No SU57 flying, has ever had R.A.M applied. Apparently, it's just too expensive to keep applying, for what little benefit it should afford them, while they haven't fixed the issues above.
BUT, that said, the R.A.M is supposed to offer -45db of reduction! Which is pretty decent!
All told, this is how they get to 0.008. And that is a mean average. Not just best angles, the way America reports.
Most but not all Americans are extremely bias against anything that is no theres
Maybe so, but I try to look at jets like sports cars…And there’s a reason other countries copy the USA’s jets.
lol you could say that about every country. But only Americans get criticized for it.
can't I say the same about most countries? pride in your country is no new thing, but blind pride isn't healthy. will I like American planes more? most definitely. will I blindly say they're better even if that's not the case? of course not. I look at performance, avionics, missile quantity, weapons systems, pilot integration, etc. not just how I like something. I'd like to say most people do the same, but that's not the case. I will say I've noticed more Russians blindly saying their stuff is better than Americans though. I mean there's a guy in this comment section saying that F-22 are dropping like flies, but not even attempting to explain why
“theirs”
@@MaxAfterburnerusa Come on Max you ought to know better! So the Flanker and Migs are copies of what?? Lets stop the bias and look at the achievements. And failures. BTW did you know of this??? How many F-22 crashed?
F-22 Pilot Safe After Landing Gear Mishap at Eglin | Air ...
The F-22 fleet, which now numbers 182 aircraft, has experienced 32 “Class A” mishaps and 50 “Class B” accidents over the past 21 years. A Class A accident involves a fatality, loss of the aircraft, or more than $2.5 million in damage.
Can u fire missile when inverted?
Have you flown both?
There are only 6 of them lol
Very good explaination. Finally a good and balanced analyze. Why arent this man on BBC,CNN etc...Because he is to honest and down to earth
As of today the Su 57 has new upgraded engines and 10 are in operation of Ukraine.
Source: trust me bro
As for radar cross section, neither you nor anyone on RUclips knows anything about that. It doesn’t matter that you were a fighter pilot. Fighter pilots know very little about stealth Engineering. In fact they know as much as a high school physics student who browsed the subject on the internet for 2 hours. Everything is classified. The stuff coming out of the Su-57 will not be there in the finished planes. In the more polished planes, they are covered. You either know this and deliberately left it out or you don't even know making you unqualified to discuss the subject. The F22 stealth capabilities have never been tested with capable air defence in real life. Neither has the Su-57. All we know is what is claimed. There's no reason to believe US claims and discount Russia's. If we're to believe both, then the Su-57s will beat the F22s. Until they're both directly involved in a conflict on equal footing, everything is speculation. Any advanced aircraft design Engineer will tell you that stealth is overrated against capable adversaries. Not because stealth in itself is overrated but it's very hard to maintain that stealth and ensure it's stealthy before it leaves the airfield to face the adversary. The pilot will have no idea that he's not as stealthy as he thinks and will be in for a big surprise. Happened in Serbia. Stealth coating has a massive advantage over raw design. It doesn't matter how stealthy an aircraft is designed, it will be picked up on the radar and with enough training and adaptation that particular stealth aircraft becomes toast. In the Ukraine war, Russian air defence struggled against bigger Ukrainian drones with much less metalic materials and almost completely effective against much smaller drones with a classic build. Of course those who actually know about stealth in the US know this and have invested heavily into composite materials and stealth coating and scaled down over Engineering. The benefits of the design alone are real but they are stupendously overrated like you saying "a 1000 times less cross-section". That is just nonsense. Raw figures alone don't show the whole picture but you already know that (as a "fighter pilot")
(Tue Fact)
The Su-57 is the Stealth aircraft, but is not stealth like the F-22 and F-35.
Gonna tell you all a funny thing about "Supadupa sTEaLtH Su-57". Here in Ukraine when Su-57 starts up and fly from an airfield in Crimea or another place we imidietely know about that. Like, every telegram channel writing "Su-57 is up and flying above black sea". Everyone see it. Here's "stealth". Can you imagine that with F-22 or F-35?
yes, you Americans would probably debate on the f22 and f35s genders 😂
Has a neutral, I think you were watering down a little bit the advances of the SU-57 and becoming a little bit biased towards the F-22 maybe because you are American so it's understandable.
From were I seat though both are advance jets, but the SU-57 has an edge from payload capabilities and maneuverabilities. And since all the jets are stealthy and near stealth while also have ground and air radar support, the SU-57 is likely to outgun and out maneuver the F-22.
Interesting perspective.
you are dreaming.....literally
out gun? F-22 has 8 missiles, Su-57 has 6. Also the maneuverability differences between the two are close enough where skill, timing and some luck will make the difference. Dissimilar combat training between f-15E and Su-30 proved it. Despite being way less maneuverable the F-15s were able to force the Flankers into mistakes in close in dog fighting. Don't even get me started on stealth, f-22 will see the Su-57 first and will be super cruising at much faster speed. Speed and Surprise usually a very difficult combo to beat in air combat.
But su 57 is not a stealth aircraft
Keep in mind that the full maneuverability of the F22 has not been seen by the public. What you see at or in airshows is not fully what it can do. That is just a fraction of the capability. F22 is a beast of an aircraft. At the end of the day it is going to come down to training and us Americans are the best when it comes to training that is why almost all of our allies come to the states to train with us.
The SU57 has multiple advantages over the F22. People overestimate stealth technology and RCS factor. The mighty F117 was also stealth with very small RCS, but Serbs managed to hit 3 of them and even shot down one with 50 years old technology.
Anyhow, the biggest F22' flaw is not having an infrared sensor because of what SU57 is seriously superior in a potential dog fight.
The f117 was old technology as well.
Oh yes it does... Sukhoi’s own patent describe Su-57 having a frontal RCS between 0.1 to 1 m^2 (-10 to 1 dBsm), which is comparable to that of a clean F-18E Super Hornet or Tomahawk cruise missile. Do you see anyone referring either as Stealth? And no, contrary to the fanboys this isn’t some all-aspect RCS (there is no such thing). Sukhoi’s patent was explicit on it being from the selected angle [Frontal aspect] corresponding to that of Su-27’s 10-15 m^2 RCS. That’s at least 1,000 to 10,000 times bigger than F-22 and F-35 (-40 dBsm). Since detection range is proportional to the 4th root of RCS, even a 1,000 times bigger RCS corresponds to a radar detecting Felon from nearly 6 times greater range. That is an enormous disparity in detection range that is simply impossible to overcome by any other means. SU-57 will be on the ground bevore it can see the F-22... Incidentally, the Su-57 is unique among fifth-generation aircraft in its continued use of a UV-based Missile Warning System (MWS) with the 101KS-U. This reliance constitutes a significant handicap in modern beyond-visual-range (BVR) combat due to the rapid absorption of UV emissions from missile motors by ozone, which increases in concentration by a factor of six at higher altitudes. The Su-57 is considered a 5th gen. aircraft because a large number of people want it to be; even if it means turning a blind eye to a number of irrefutable facts to the contrary. So stop Lying...
I’m not sure I agree that the material of the f-22 is less stealthy than the material of the 57. I think the 22 has the stealth shape and the materials just increase stealth whereas the 57 doesn’t have a stealth shape and relies almost entirely on the ram however I’d wager ram to ram alone the raptors have the advantage despite the advantage from the angles and overall shape.
That's pretty much what I've come to understand also. The Chinese and Russian ram are nowhere near what are used in the f-22 and even less so the f-35. But their shapes are generally stealth like.
It’s already a well known fact the 57 is very bad stealth wise, our radars can detect the plane much earlier than the 22 head on because of the very obvious flaw in engine inlet design. The idiotic engine placement on 57 throws all the radar right back out towards the acft scanning it. The 22 intakes hide the engine and absorb all the radar returns in the S shape intake. The Felon is a joke, has very bad reliability problems and is way overrated.
Well the biggest liability for the SU57 is the fact that it's basically a test bed with no ability to even be combat ready anytime in the near future. And that's if they even are able to build anymore😂
And when it comes to the ram, doesn't matter what they have and it doesn't matter what's on the f-22, because Fat Amy will probably blow the su-57 out of the air before it even knows it's in combat. Because we know that the RAM on it is way more advanced then what was on the F-22
Why do you think the Su57 doesn't have the "stealth shape"? If you google "stealth planform alignment" you'll realise thats not true and that the Su57s shape is the result of following those principles, it's why all stealth planes look similar, the only concession they've made is going with a partial S Intake instead of full S intake or DSI for the engines, they are heavily relying on RAM, a radar blocker and soon composite IGV to help minimize the reflections
Completely incorrect statement
Again, how do you compare the F-22 and the non-production Su-57?
Baloon shotter compared to real jet-fighter.
@@skyrider6772 That would be 'Balloon" and 'shooter'.
Russia had already used su 57 in ukraine war & kill longer air to air jets. But you didn't mention that.
It had not been used in Ukrainian airspace. It fired long range missiles from inside Russia territory because Russia is terrified to lose one of the handful of active planes that they have.
The Su-57 is just another one of Russia's bluffs.
Kyiv in 3 days, Kyiv in 3 days! 😂
@@FishandHuntthey did reach kyiv tho in less than 3 days, Russia retreated because elenski faked a negotiation again to get them to retreat, Russia really thought Ukraine would've come to their senses guess not 😂
Этот мужик так много говорит о невидимости, но он забыл как в Югославии был сбит американский самолет нивидимка стелс из старенькой совестской пво с-125. Извините мы не знали , что он невидимый 😂 😂😂😂
Господа американцы. Я хочу вам сказать, что не так уж и невидимы ваши самолёты. Если его су30 находит в нейтральной территории над Балтийским морем. А когда су30 подлетает к вашей невидимка и включает электронный прибор помех у вашего невидимки выходит из строя вся электроника. Подумайте хорошо над невидимостью этих самолётов. Нет таких пока технологий пока у человечества, но оно двигается к этому. Просто производители оружия вытягивают миллиардами деньги со своих правительств. Если ваш самолёт невидимка пятого поколения обнаруживает самолёт поколения 4++
да ты им хоть ссы в глаза, все божья роса. пусть продолжают верить в свое "СУПЕР ОРУЖИЕ"
Им нужно продавать своё оружие, поэтому они придумывают сказки про его непобедимость
Что-то они про испытания сушки в Сирии не слова. Разведка прозевала "видимый" для них самолёт. А потом су-57 охотился на их самолёты 5-го поколения и фотографировал - они тоже со своими современными "радами" его не увидели. Так, что пусть продолжают верить в свою же выдумку.
Okay, Vatnik.
Even if Russian and American aircraft can be considered equal (they are not), American pilots get 3 times the flight hours in training. The skill gap between Russian and western pilots that can actually afford flight hours for both the airframe and pilots, is too great. It doesn't help that Russians are losing pilots at an alarming rate in Ukraine.
The F117 was also stealth and unstoppable, invincible and mighty, until Serbs happened them 🤭
Don't trust American tech!
Russian aviation in their current sanctioned world will make it difficult for them to update the AESA radar. Either way, I highly doubt the SU 57 would ever see the F22 at range.
Not at all. Russia gets whatever they want through China and India.
Also to prove a point, Russia is producing more precision guided missiles now, despite sanctions. Sanctions are virtually worthless in slowing Russia's war machine.
You clearly underestimate the capabilities of the Russians do you, currently they even have some of, if not the most powerful radars in the world. 😮
@@DonDezz nope, you are just WILDLY overestimating them 😂🤣
@@DonDezz OK. There is also the Easter bunny.
@@DonDezzOh you mean that great radar That Couldn't Shoot down Himars? Or the storm Shadows that just sang Russian ships in port?
Also there's a huge difference in being able to know that there's a stealth aircraft in your airspace, and the ability to actually track let alone get a solid missile lock on that aircraft😂
And contrary to what your simp self thinks literally every technological claim that Russia has made has been proven to be either greatly exaggerated or flat-out false in the past 2 years
“You should go home now”…the F22 has the deterrence crown, which makes it successful in my opinion.
The su57 is way better than i thought
So far, the Su 57 can lead and fight with 4 hunter-type drones . But the Russian Federation has already developed drones that fight Swarms with artificial intelligence. But for now, the swarm is being created from small drones. In the future, the Su 57 can also fight against a swarm of drones
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sure it can.
I mean even if everything you said was true, which nobody in the world believes that, they don't even have 10 of them that they can put in the air.
And the ability of the Russians to even build anymore in the near future is very doubtful not only that but the past two years have taught us that anything Russia claims technologically is probably at least 20 years behind what they claim
Ha! I'll believe that shit when Russia can produce a full squadron of Su-57s, and can get a reliable and secure intelligence network up and running.
Suuuure it will. Because Russia never lies and always backs up what they say. 🤣
🤣🤣
Both gorgeous fighters, SU-57 is a beast, F-22 is a beast. When they meet up in the skies may the better aircraft win.
It appears that the matching is between F-22 vs Su75 check mate and Su 57 vs F-35
F-22 all the way.
I’m not a pilot, but that’s the fighter I’ll always bet on.
Been following it since 1994 🤷🏻♂️
Well 1st the f22 holds 6 amraams in its middle bay, and 1 sidewinder in each of his 2 side bays. Now when the air force starts accepting the Peregrine missile, that center bay payload will double.
I'll take the F-22 everyday. From everything I gather the U.S.A just trains more and they have what 6 that can fly? Training over everything in the end. Plus I think the plane is just better lol
22 serial produced su57
Yeah, just pay the bill. 70000! Per hour 😅😅😅, special bunkers, super duper technicians plus, plus, plus,. Not to mention Uncle Frost 😢
I think you are full of bullshit, Chad.
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp Cool story guy no one cares bout your opinion.....
I if any of Russia’s claims about the Su57 are true. The reason I think they might not be true is because of Russia’s history with the MIGs.
Su 57 has a way more advanced EW system...
Says Russia, and we all know how little we can trust from the Russians. If it’s as good as you’re claiming, Russia would be showcasing its abilities in Ukraine as nothing works better to get arms sales than to see them perform well in wartime conditions. If Russia truly had a 5th gen fighter, Russia would be able to use them to find HIMARS and Patriot batteries. Instead Russia keeps them far from the front lines out of fear they’ll get shot down. In the meantime, the HIMARS and Patriots continue to impress nations worldwide, and it’s resulted in very large sales.
not even close
@@richardschipper5989 Exactly! Russia can’t even put into service AESA radar, which has significant EW and counter EW abilities, and the F-22’s is 4th gen AESA, built off of over 20years and thousands of aircraft experience.
If that were the case then why does the Su-57 need cheek-mounted X-bands? The F-22 was originally supposed to have a similar apparatus, but this was scrapped because the AN/ALR-94 was robust enough to provide targeting data even after the aircraft turned away from its target.
Если Радар в обмороке то F22 не повезло (у F22/F35 1 АФАР станция, то у Су-57 их 6! +Пассивные сенсоры по всему фюзеляжу) 1 на носу 1 на хвосте (АФАР) и по 2 на каждом крыле (РОФАР- РадиоОптическая Фазированная Антенная Решетка с ее помощью можно заглядывать в трюм противника с расстояния в 500 Километров!)!
No matter how the F-22 fans humiliate the SU-57, the F-22 pilots’ anuses will begin to shrink in the sky if they somehow find out that the SU-57 is somewhere nearby.
Weird way to put it. Wouldn't it also be true the opposite?
@@davout5775 It’s you who consider yourself the exclusive nation and hegemon on the planet. You do not tolerate any other opinion than your own. You have turned the once free Europe into your sixes. You do not tolerate competition, and now that Russia has challenged your hegemony, it has technical, political, economic and military means. The opposite statement is not true.
Don’t have to worry about the Su-57 pilot being scared. He will be dead before he ever knew the raptor was near.
@@lelawoods7910 It seems that the consciousness of the American man in the street has stopped developing since the 90s of the last century and apparently then lost its objectivity. I will try to answer if your “most democratic” RUclips does not delete my answer again.
It seems that the consciousness of the American man in the street has stopped developing since the 90s of the last century and apparently then lost its objectivity. I will try to answer if your “most democratic” RUclips does not delete my answer again.
I thought the Raptor is taller with it's huge twin tails but the Felon is taller? Hmm
Su57 has 5 antenas, working in X band and L band, it can see all type of aircrafts
except the F22, F35 etc......The US can detect the SU57 175 miles away. Their stealth is a joke.
@@donstaggs3827yea Because Russians don't value stealth. The F22 is built with RAM, among other things, so it is difficult for the SU57 radar to detect the F22 in time.
@@donstaggs3827
These Russian jets with their superior long-range L band radar will always know exactly where the f-22 and F-35's are.
They'll approach them head on, being able to shoot down them down from BVR while remaining undetected.
The US stealth fighter jets would not even detect them coming!
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp Sir, Please do a little research before posting such nonsense.
@@donstaggs3827 The truth hurts eh, Don!
I studied the SU-57 and it's more practical than F-22. They recently realized the SU-57M which is capabile of shooting targets behind it. Our engineers seriouly need to step up the game.
your engineers needs to figure out how many genders are there first 😂
Yeah, I call BS on that.
Hi everyone!
About topic F-22A vs Su-57 ,I can write only one thing .F-22A would do very badly against Su-57 just like F-15C did vs Su-27S in several joint 'friendly' tactical air exercises between 1992 and 1996 held in USAF Langley AFB and Russian Lipetsk and Savasleyka air bases. Does anyone here know for those exercises and what was the result at the end of it ?
и тишина.....
lol no
Good analysis, but i would have left out the air to ground role capabilities, since these are aicrafts designed for sky domination. Making the SU-57 as a more multirole aicraft, puts it in even more disadvantage against the f-22 in a 1 vs 1 faceoff. Could be nice to talk a little about the AN/ALR-94 radar aswell and the new coatings that are being applied to the F-22.
I mean... if it where me in the 57, I'd be thinking "oh shit, I can't loose our only only plane"
An american pilot said « ooops, my plane is just able to shoot down an Chinese air ballon ».
@@canon5dmk336
Kyiv in 3 days, Kyiv in 3 days! 😂
@@FishandHunt
😂 Who told you about 3 days ? Sleepy Joe & accomplices ? CNN ?
You like to talk about “short operations“ ? Ok, you’re welcome : let’s start with Vietnam war and Afghanistan …
@@canon5dmk336
I'm not American or from a country that's part of NATO but cool story bro.
The USSR was soundly beaten after spending 10 years in Afghanistan in the 80's, losing > 15,000 soldiers and greatly contributing to its total collapse.
You can laugh about past American failures all you want but on day 690 of Putin’s disastrous 10 day 'Special Military Operation' a majority of the world is laughing at the current Russian failure in Ukraine 😂
@@FishandHunt
I’m not american and but I live in a stupid country member of NATO. America was not « bored » but evict from Afghanistan after 20 years. Evicted by people with vintage Enfields and Kalashnikovs and DIY rockets. Special Operation is the name of the operation, do you want other funny names from US operations ?
Here they are (small part) :
Operation Magic Carpet
Operation Barroom
Operation Mincemeat
Operation Barbarossa
Operation Vittles
Operation Cateshism
Operation Desert Storm
Operation Wrath of God
Operation Rolling Thumber
Operation Mascot
Operation Babylift
Operation Overlord
Etc … Etc …
The end
It always stays in the hands of the pilot no matter how super power jets be.
I know it is a video game, but since both have top secret secrets on exactly what they can do and cannot do it is very hard to know how they would perform in a combat situation. Going by data we know about my bet would be on the Raptor. In the end it would all come down to Pilot skill and Experience. I am not a Pilot, but that is what I see from everything I have learned.
"I know it's a video game" what are you even talking about? lmao
It's not about the plane, It's about the man or the woman in the box.......lol.
while true i think the safest bet is the raptor, its been in service longer which means pilots have had more experience with the aircraft, US has alot more experience with stealth aircraft and what we know in general about stealth and how certain attibutes can lower or raise a fighters RCS i think its clear that the SU57 is at a very clear disadvantage. But lets also not forget how badly the SU is doing interms of numbers, russia is still really struggling to get them out the factory line.
@@ashleygoggs5679 They made 20 last year eventually it will catch up but at the moment they are focused on drones, loitering munitions and tanks
@@Xavier28200 Have you got any evidence to show that, becuase when it comes to numbers SU57 is a minefield, everyone saying its 10-15-20 and nobody citing a source for confirmation. Either way While F22 is out of production the US and NATO are closer to 6th gen then russia and in the meantime US is pumping out thousands of F35s which numerically gives its a much much larger edge.
Is Russia learning via Ukraine conflict that drone, stand-off weapons, hypersonic is more valuable than fighters, regardless of generations. Especially when it comes to numbers?
We tout our carriers (targets), they talk subsurface vessels...and icebreakers.
If you get down to slugging it out on the ground?? Diesel/electric hybrid tanks with superior on station time and maintenance...now equivalent advancement in armor and target identification/acquisition/firing capability v. turbine engine hardware (with high heat signature)?
Are we merely getting ripped off by corrupt politicians, military "leadership," and corrupt defense contractors.
Compromise of personnel with toxic vaccinations...willingly?
Accountability time...
It's time to properly identify the enemy. It's way past time to stop the Democrat v. Republican "psyop." It's why the Founders despised political "parties." It is deception intended to Distract, and to DIVIDE (and conquer).
The enemy is skilled at being the deceiver...and we've proven the skilled deceived.
It's a We the People (NOT for whom the Founders hoped and sacrificed) v. an enemy entity the Founders intended to be chosen by us, to work FOR us.
We've been deceived...allowed OUR government (all three branches) to become fully corrupted; a Uniparty monster owned, bribed, or extorted/blackmailed by the LONG HERE Globalist-Corporatist One World Government.
Our division is making it easy for them to implement the Great Reset. George Orwell's "1984" (published 1949)was not a fictional novel describing a "dystopion future." He was merely REPORTING on a "dystopion now" already long in process.
I like the su-57 talk about a sexy plane
New F-22 weather balloon popping missile with sharp tungsten carbide tip coming soon!
I recently saw F-22s flying at an airshow here in Huntington Beach, CA. I saw...... alien UFO technology on display. 😂 😂 I saw a plane *fall* out of the sky, then start flying again. This description doesn’t adequately describe what I saw, so I’ll stick with the “alien UFO technology” description. It has amazing flight characteristics. And although not really important, I think the F-22 is the *coolest* looking fighter plane in existence. I’ve only seen SU-57 in simulator programs. It has some amazing flight characteristics as well. But I really don’t understand the need for thrust-vectoring in a platform that is not primarily designed for “dog fighting.” My understanding of the modern role of these advanced airframes is that they will track and fire at targets far outside the plane’s danger zone for anti-aircraft attacks. It’s an over-the-horizon, fire and forget platform in part due the advanced data sharing capabilities of modern equipment. So why does the F-22, or the Su-57, *need* thrust vectoring capability? Where besides an air show is this ability going to be useful in the typical missions to which these planes are tasked?
It is for dogfighting. Even though both Russia and the US (and other superpowers) don't openly say so because that would increase already heightened global tensions.
I also agree with you, after seeing flight shows on RUclips, that it is amazing tech. Like the alien tech people claimed to see over Area 51 back in the day and the government denied as hoaxes.
In my modest opinion, F-22 incorporates thrust vectoring for two reassons:
1) to show the world that it can also do those crazy stunts that the Russians were able to perform with their Flankers and even MiGs over 30 years ago; 2) not to take any chances and be prepared for any case scenario…
As for the Su-57; the Russians have always believed in dogfights, but other than that, they were aware of the benefits of tvc, such as greater maneuverability which allows for easier dodging of incoming threats and also breaking radar locks since such maneuvers aided by tvc allow the Flanker to move slow or even reach zero speed and that would make enemy radar lost track for a few seconds…
@@flanker8724 Again, well said. Missile evasion is, indeed, another important benefit of supermaneuverability. The US doesn't focus on this aspect partly because they have significantly smaller fuel tanks (and hence, range) than Russian fighter jets and thus they cannot afford to spend excess time flying around doing aerial acrobatics in dogfights as they will run out of fuel much quicker. Which is an advantage the Russian fighter jets can use against them. The Russians can win dogfights by simply making WVR combat take too long and the American planes will be forced to retreat or run out of fuel.
Notice the rivets all over the Su-57. Those are not RAM panels.
I recommend to learn more technical data about the Su-57, it is about 15-20 years more advanced compared to the Craptor which was designed in 90ies. Geez, what an expert, just think about computer technology in 90ies compared past 2010. This gap is evident in favour to the Su-57
True
All technical data points to the F-22 being better in virtually every category; I think you're the one who needs to brush up here.
At this point, a well-trained Russian Pilot is rarer than a SU 57.
Watch less Hollywood and CNN dude….It’s not true what you’re writing ( to keep it short )
Truth!
What a useless thing to say.
@@CruelSun69
Yes it is, you should think before typing
It's only useless if you want to play and pretend aircraft are like GI Joe's.
In reality, if the pilot can't use the plane properly, the plane is almost irrelevant.
I could race a pro Race car driver in a ferrari when he's in a 350z. That doesn't mean i'm going to win because I have the better car.
You definitely had a cold as you filmed this episode 😂
Don't get me wrong, the su-57 seems cool. All six of them.
about 15 atm
great video flyboy
Странный обзор. Половина "преимуществ" сводится к простому "русские отстают на 5-10 лет". И никаких доказательств. С чего вдруг радары ф22 лучше? Возможно вы видели их возможности, возможно. Но вы точно не знаете возможности Су57. С двигателями та же история: почему американский двигатель лучше? Вот почему? Технология у США уже старая, не развивается последние годы, в то время, как в РФ стали ставить двигатели второго этапа, свежей разработки.
Я к тому говорю, что вы даже не видели возможности российского самолёта, вы просто априори считаете, что если что-то произведено в США, то оно лучше. Это далеко не всегда так. Банальный пример - что там с гиперзвуком
Russian aviation technology is drastically behind the west. It's a simple fact.
Would just say this is slightly biased to a US audience. Not actually having much info on the SU57.
The su57 has canards and very aggressive vectored thrust and IR search and track everything about it is for dogfighting not really anything else is around like that though so up close it’s king
The Su-57 doesn't have canards.
it'll never get close
Russia has 22 57s by 2025 they will have 76 that is their main goal
Wrong already has 24 and this year probably 12 or more will be build
You forgot to mention SU57 thrust vectoring. New engines will have a stealthier nozzle as well. Also the tail fins on F22 are larger and produce more drag. Moreover F22 doesnt have cheek and rear mounted radars, nor programmable leading edge extensions.
The Su-57 movable LERX are needed because the tailplanes are so small they become totally ineffective at high alpha. Watch IRL when it does a cobra. It sometimes cartwheels out of it because it loses yaw control. DCS does not model this at all, but every flight demo exhibits the same flaw. Thrust vectoring should fix that, I would think.
@@Hyposonic Can any Western aircraft do the Cobra manoeuvre?
Can any Western pilot describe realistically what happens while doing the Cobra?
@@rightiswrongrightiswrong806 Absolutely! Why do you think otherwise? We don't train for it because it's suicide in combat, but many aircraft CAN do it.
Russians: go ahead on(no Stealth)
Americans: advantage approach(more Stealthier)
This is not a game....SU 57 is better aircraft
F22’s new Upgrade incorporates Stealth Fuel Tanks so now it can have them without giving up any stealth
This is not a competition. We are looking at two great planes. I see in the comments how ignorant some people can be. As the commentator says we would not want to see these planes fighting against each other. Did this ring any bells for you? It would mean a war between Russia and the USA. Most likely a nuclear war. So please grow up and stop and think what we have invented here as human beings. These planes are a great example of our engineering capabilities be that US or Russian. And the SU57 is not a finished product yet and nor is the F22.And stealth alone is not a guarantee to success in the air. Remember Yugoslavia? So please stop the us and them mentality and embrace what the commentator is saying. Alternatively do your own research. Thanks for bringing such a great video to us as you always do.
Did I miss something? Why are you so mad?
I know you're a Russian fanboy but all the information on the Su is Russian disinformation. Because every analyst I've ever talked to says that at most it might qualify for an early Gen 4 plane. And if it's anything like their tank that was supposed to compete with the Abrams it will be trash. Russians lie about the capabilities in the positive we lie about our capabilities in the negative. Meaning Russia says their s***'s better than it really is we say our stuff is worse than it really is. But hey keep thinking Russia is equal to us they're not
Just another shrimp for Russia and Putin @@dblankenship88
Why r we spending all this money then? I say let’s go!
Not sure if you’ve seen the history books but WAR is human nature. It’s the one failsafe Mother Nature put into all of us so we can self destruct if we get too out of hand. Just look at all the great civilizations of the past
Last time I checked the 3D vectoring is far superior to what the F22 has to offer. By far superior > meaning that SU57 will outmanuver the F22 in a dog fight 9/10 times!
And just by the by, the SU57 has been estimated to be at least 3 times more manoeuvrable than the F22...
What ever else is true, the SU57 is EASILY the most manoeuvrable lane on the planet!
Estimated by who? xD I Really dont think it is, even though the SU-57 is definitely very maneuverable
Moot point since the pilot can only withstand so many Gs. Plus, off-boresight firing capabilities exist.
@@sovietpineapple7938 Well, it's not, actually....
Having better high alpha manouvering, will ALWAYS give you the advantage in a dogfight.
F22 doesn't have high off bore sight...
@@josephforrest3713 LOAL can compensate for the lack of HMCS and still allow for HOBS with radar cueing, not as optimal but definitely still there.
And what's your source for the 3x greater maneuverability?
@@sovietpineapple7938 It's not in the same league as a proper helmet systems.
Well, it has levcons for a start lol. The main purposes of these solutions are to control the boundary layer of air, modify the lift and drag forces generated by the wings.
In addition to enhancing high-alpha capabilities, such as enabling flight at higher angles of attack and reducing stall speed, levcons also offer an improved lift-to-drag ratio across a broader range of attack angles, higher sustained turn rates, and enhanced directional controllability. The potential applications of the leading-edge vortex controller are extensive.
Then it has leading edge flaps. "The leading-edge droop flap is a device on the leading edge of aircraft wings designed to improve airflow at high angles of attack. The droop flap is similar to the leading-edge slat and the Krueger flap, but with the difference that the entire leading edge section rotates downwards, whereas the slat and Krueger flap are panels which move away from the wing leading edge when it is deployed" - Wikipedia
It has more thrust to weight potential, with more powerful engines, with a more modern, lighter fuselage. These engines themselves, are only in their initial iteration. By all account, there are 2 more iterations being developed. Which means higher kinematic performance.
The F22 is a great bird. And has excellent manoeuvrability. But it doesn't have anywhere near as much yaw axis control. And lacks many of the control surfaces that the SU57 has, that offer it such an amazing sustained turn rates, and... Lets be honest, jaw dropping capabilities. You've seen the video's, right?
You forgot to mention maintenance costs and reliability; the F-22 takes forever to get airborne, cannot land on bad runways and costs a fortune to maintain. The US is broke and the dollar will die soon; what’s your point with this video anyway ⁉️😂🌸💕❤️👍
🤣🤣🤣takes forever to get airborne, get off the crack
@@bone-snypa the F-22 fleet required over 40 hours of maintenance per flight hour. It seems that as the fleet has aged, the maintenance requirements have increased considerably. The F-22 cost per lifecycle of one Raptor is an estimated $334 million. The US is broke and the only F-22 air to air kill was a freaking Chinese balloon. Pull your head out of your anus.
Serbia's air defense laughs at American stealth planes.
They shot down a singular stealth aircraft that had an uncoated bay. Plus if the radar tech had followed their orders they would have not fired up their radar a 3rd time because an anti-radiation missile would kill then.
@@captainhellhound7451 Shot down one F117! YES! But they hit 3 more F 117s! And who knows how many more they shot but missed or discovered but didn't shoot! And all this with radars and systems produced 50+ years ago and at a time when the maintenance of those systems was very bad due to the sanctions and wars of the previous years!
@@dejanera74 damn I guess being able to shoot down first Gen tech one time, hitting it a total of 4 times ever, and firing missiles and then missing (probably because the missile couldn’t keep lock) totally destroys modern day stealth tech.
@@captainhellhound7451 There are many reasons why it is missed. For example, one B-1B was missed because it was fired upon when it was in range of the SA-3 rockets, but with its speed it managed to escape and both rockets exploded behind it. Equipment malfunction also often contributed to misses. There was also the firing of rockets at a target that only came into range for a short time. Also failures of the rocket itself or loss of tracking.
@@dejanera74 well the B-1B wasn’t a stealth bomber so I have no idea why it’s being mentioned
Government and military doing a complete 180 and SERIOSULY reconsidering retrofitting the F-22 Raptor and I will personally start a riot if those raptors are not called "King Raptors". Only C&C vets will understand.
You can't say what any planes radar cross section looks like until you get it on AWACS. To speculate on what any gov't releases as offical data is dumb and unrealistic.
Bro raptors are also not in use, they are falling down as a flies after raid spray
What are you talking about? Can you point to an example if you have one?
How many have "fallen like flies"? Give us some numbers oh great wise one.
Common communist comment
you good lol?
@@JSFGuy How many F-22 crashed?
F-22 Pilot Safe After Landing Gear Mishap at Eglin | Air ...
The F-22 fleet, which now numbers 182 aircraft, has experienced 32 “Class A” mishaps and 50 “Class B” accidents over the past 21 years. A Class A accident involves a fatality, loss of the aircraft, or more than $2.5 million in damage.
The part you didn’t cover was how would missiles lock on to target either stealth aircraft. If the missiles can’t target and track either plane then it comes down to a dick waving contest. lol
@BrentLeVasseur
The Ruskies are miles ahead in this Brent!