I think Michael was the best of the three but he was not quite a good Godfather. Michael had a Marine view: blow it all up. The book makes it clear that Don Vito screwed up when he had Tom as his advisor. Michael would have been a good politician. Sonny would have been a good Don but he figured out too late that Tom was being out-thought by a combination of three families.
Scott Ellerby this is a tough one if you're just goin by the movie. Because the movie has the important scene of Vito being in the hospital and Michael saying "I'm with you now" and he started to cry. You guys are right. Both of you. But I do think that scene shows how Vito "truly felt" even if he didn't know it himself.
@@Easy-Eight i disagree on the sonny part. He was to emotional and aggresive to be a don and also was more of hence why it was easy for barzini to trap and kill sonny. He simply lacked the brains. You can see it in gf2 that since he was a little baby h re thinks with his fists instea of his head
It is not the act of a friend to withhold scenes, surely he could’ve charged more at the box office for such services, after all, we are not communists
This was an intriguing scene, but it was edited out for good reason. It gives away what was arguably the best scene of the movie: the baptism sequence, which was the climax. In the subsequent scene where Michael reunites with Kay and informs her that he's now working for his father and that the Corleone Family will "be legitimate in five years," it makes the audience naive enough to believe that he's sticking to his original vow to her that he would never be a man like his father. But when we see the baptism scene, in which the heads of the five NY Mafia families are knocked off, it creates an element of surprise. Had this deleted scene been included, it would have made the baptism scene too expected and predictable, because we would have known that Michael was going to eventually execute vendetta for his wife and brother's death.
It was clear the plan was already in place when Vito told Michael that he never wanted this life for Michael, that whoever sets up the meeting is a traitor, and at the meeting he will be assassinated. The baptism scene only showed how it went down.
@@cptpapa Maybe. But that plan wasn't so obvious and directly stated as when Michael tells his father in the garden that he will assume all responsibility for the Corleone vengeance against the the heads of the other NY families. When Vito tells Michael that he "never wanted this" for him, I think he was speaking more in general terms about organized crime, and his desire for Michael to become legitimate ("Sen. Corleone, Gov. Corloene ... something"). There were no specific allusions to mob hits.
@@lwmson I do see what you mean and both sense would have been close together making it over obvious what was going to happen and when. Especially after Tom asked “when are you gonna make your move?” and he said after the baptism.
@Roger B Pacinos acting is much weaker though, lets face it, he get by on his look's early on in his career, and of course he became a great actor later on, although I do like him in the godfather, if nothing else, only because he seems so innocent and curious and young, which arguably makes his transition to becoming a gangster all the more tragic and shocking
Don Vito swore to not break the peace in order to ensure Michael's safe return from Italy. The look on his face when he tells Michael his promise was an act of weakness revealed how much he loved his son. For Vito there was clearly a limit to what was willing to do maintain his standing amongst the heads of the five families. I think Vito was willing to accept Sonny's assassination as a matter of business, but Michael's safety clearly came before all else.
@Jj Sicily was the attempt to kill Michael, but his wife was killed. Michael wanted revenge for both his brother and his wife. Vito was too weak, so he had to give full power of the Corleone family to Michael. Forget about Fredo, he showed his incompetence when he failed to protect Vito.
Vito knew exactly what he was doing. He showed weakness on purpose. He had to insure Michael could come back safely. It was a controlled retreat. He gave HIS word that he wouldn’t break the peace. He turned power of the family over to Michael and then masterminded the plan of revenge. “Technically” not breaking the peace and keeping his honor since he wasn’t the Don anymore but getting revenge for Sonny’s death and returning the family to it’s position of power.
@@UltimateBargains I agree. When Vito admits that his reluctance to execute vendetta for Sonny's death was " a sign of weakness," he's relinquishing the same strength that made him the don as a young man when he assassinated Don Fannuci. He realizes now that Michael with his youth has inherited that strength, and it is only fitting that now Michael assumes the reigns of the family to make it strong once again.
@Jj It was a tactical move on Vito's part. He could keep his word about not breaking the peace, or taking any actions of revenge. But that promise did not preclude Michael from taking action!
Despite all the controversies and disapproval of Francis Ford Coppola's casting, Al Pacino and Marlon Brando come across like a real father and son, which is indicative of the amazing chemistry between these two legendary actors.
Look at Micheal’s eyes and expression when he asks about weakness. That is the official transformation to the man he is in part II. Cold, mean, and calculated. I love it.
This just proves that The Don was playing chess when all the other families, even Barzini himself, were playing checkers. The Don needed time to plan and prepare, and he also needed time to groom Michael for leadership. The other families must have been giddy to see The Don laid low, humbled and forced into peace just so he could save the life of a son that no one really paid attention to and most still didn't respect even after the Solozzo hit. No one saw Michael's potential except The Don. No one could've envisioned a scenario where the heads of all the other families got wiped out all at once... Except The Don. Chess versus checkers.
Barzini did see it coming. That's why he tried to kill Michael in Sicily. He knew Michael killed Solozzo. But he thought he had Michael via Tessio, so he let his guard down
Barzini and the others should have known better. Don Ciccio knew that Vito Andolini would one day take revenge, so he refused to spare him (Part II); and Barzini should have realized that Michael Corleone would do the same. A Sicilian has a duty to take revenge. It was only seemingly a sign of weakness when Don Vito made peace with the other families; in reality, he ensured that the man he knew would take revenge remained alive.
This is, by far, my favorite deleted scene from this masterpiece film. I understand why it was taken out as it would give away what Michael had in store for his enemies. However, it is a beautiful, heart touching scene between an aging father and Don and his youngest son. Michael has a different look in his eyes, one of calm, cool headed vengeance. Al Pacino brought that character to life like no one else could. His subtle skill in this and the second film truly shines bright like the sun on a hot, summer day in Florida. He says more with his eyes than his mouth in these films. How Al Pacino didn't receive an Oscar for his unbelievably unparalleled efforts in these films is unjustifiable. I suppose his Oscar exists in the recognition of fans and historians alike some 50 years after his performance as Michael Corleone. Al Pacino, we salute you. 👏
I feel this would have added a lot more to the story then people are giving it credit for. This scene shows Micheal's vengeful side which plays a large role in the second movie. As well as show that he wants retribution for his Sicilian wife's murder, which I always felt was missing from the final cut. The original version has the hits play out as a reaction to the assassination attempts that will come once Micheal is at his most vulnerable (when Vito dies) and is something Vito regrettably sees as necessary. When in actuality, Vito stayed his hand only because it would put Micheal in danger and he needed his "heir" to return and didn't want to lose another son. He only kept the peace to keep his word, not because he forgave them for killing Sonny. The one and only issue I had with the first Godfather was how it portrayed Vito as a saint when he wasn't. And many of these deleted scenes do an amazing job of fleshing his character out, making him much more interesting.
you comment has 11 month, i don't care you are right this is exactly what i thought , in the moovie, the godfather is seems as someone very positive, yet in the book, i told to myself more than one time "damn he's hard", like prefering a son to an other,
With Brando's depiction of Vito, it seems like Vito couldn't harm a fly. He supposed to be this great feared gangster, but meanwhile; it looks like he wouldn't cross the street against the light. Then he would help an elderly woman with her groceries. I guess that's the beauty of Brando's acting.
The “saintly portrayal” is the catalyst for the entire film. Vito’s been on top so long that the younger gangsters like Solozzo think he’s “slipping.” They don’t remember him from the “old days.”
It was clear the plan was already in place when Vito told Michael that he never wanted this life for Michael, that whoever sets up the meeting is a traitor, and at the meeting he will be assassinated. The baptism scene only showed how it went down.
@@chrisballesteros6181 To make their collaboration less explicit, however, this was restored to the miniseries format for the first two movies when they were televised in 1979.
Michael would have been a great senator or Congressman especially since he was a war hero and intelligent but he always would have been expected to do favors for his family. He never could have been completely legit even after his dad died.
It's a shame they cut maybe the most important scene in the saga. What this scene shows is the difference between Vito and Michael in the most important way. Vito was family first, at all costs. Michael, mistakenly thought saving the Corleone business was the way to save his family. And when business comes first, that's how you end up killing your own brother and brother-in-law. When Vito dies, he is surrounded by family, friends, loyalists and even enemies paying their mutual love and respect at his funeral. Michael dies alone, unloved, separated from family... all because the Corleone Business was the most important thing in the world to him.
Carlo couldn't have been worse to connie & set santino up to be killed so he deserved it, michael gave fredo lots of chances but he was stupid, weak & proved to be a big liability...he did wind up regretting killing fredo tho.
@@moshecohen5551 exactly. Michaels first wife emulated his mothers qualities but unfortunately was murdered. You’re right about Kay. She always irked me 😂
this is a powerful scene if they kept it, - the garden was empty, by the time Micheal came back the garden was full with tall plants, would have given a great vision of how long Michael was away for!
Until the plastic surgeon took care of it. As Fredp says, "I can't get over how good your face looks. It looks great. This doctor did some job. Did Kay talk you into it?"
He is not even mentioning her, not even saying her name let alone addressing her as his wife. What about Sicily? Barzini tried to kill him but he got away. Michael wasn't even looking for Fabricio until Kay stayed pregnant with their first child. Killed him for the safety of his family not vengeance
Agreed, it's one of my favorite. But if you are watching the movie for the first time it would probably take away the shocking ending somewhat. That ending just gets you the first time you see it.
@@dc6461 “What about Sicily” He had to of cared for apollonia she is a pivotal reason Michael became more detached over time. He probably loved her more than Kay.
@@spedman56 not only that he didn't love apollonia more than Kay He didn't love her all..... with his heart. He didn't value her, respect her, had any affection for her or cared for her. All words from book, movies and scripts. He loved her sexually.....physical act of love was the only thing between them. We call that sex or fucking but that would be too vulgare for movie or the book. That's how it was described in a book, shown in a movie, commented by Coppola, confirmed by Pacino himself confirmed my Michael Corleone and all the music in the trilogy that Coppola used to fill in the gaps in a story. Apollonia was a semiliteral manipulative goldigger who Michael conned into marriage at the hight of the danger and killed. He didn't marry her bc he wanted to spend his life with her or bc he loved her but bc he had to. There is no sex before marriage in sicily and Michael is having thunderstorm which is biological manifestation of arousal, sexual eraction. When Michael spoke to old Vitteli, when he mentioned marriage Coppola commented with words " This is NOT the case of a prince asking for a princess ". He came into her house and made her an offer that she goldigging skank she was couldn't refuse. She agreed to go out with him and wedding was set up in two weeks bc she thought he was rich. That is straight from the book, something Coppola showed you perfectly in a movie. He never told her she was in danger Village circus of their wedding that her father made is how they found him . He killed her and than moved on as if she never existed.
@@spedman56 MICHAEL AFTER APOLLONIA DIED.... He came home bc his father could not guarantee his safety any more. He is speaking to his dad in the back yard " Pop what about Sonny what about Sicily If we don't respond isn't family gonna be weak ".... Not even mentioning her, not even saying her name let alone addressing her as his wife. He is worried about status of his family He is worried that they are weak. Sonny was a bad Don and under his leadership Corleone lost territories. He offered himself to save the family bc he was the only one to do it. It was his destiny to become godfather.... Sonny dead, Fredo retarded. But he didn't want that destiny for him and Kay. MICHAEL AFTER KAY DIDN'T DIE... gf2 house got attacked.Kay didn't die but almost. Michael didn't even change his clothes, he sat on a train that very same night and went to NY to speak to Frank P. In that same house his old father's house this time screaming bloody murder " Did you hear what happened in my home, in my home in my bedroom where my wife sleep and where my children come to play with their toys.In my home. I want you to help me get revenge " At that moment in a scene, in the script Coppola writes a sentence---- Frank P has never seen Michael that angry-- Yeahhh...... So what about Sicily? Well Barzini tried to kill him but he got away GOT AWAY....words Michael used in a book when he spoke to Vito about Sicily. Vito:" Why do you think Barzini tried that.Did he try to kill you before we made a deal or was it too late to stop it " Michael :" Yeahh but I got away ".. In otherwords he dogged the bullet which is exactly how it was portrayed in a movie and described in a book. I would not use those words if a dog with flees died bc of me instead of me
It is interesting. Vito swore on the souls of his grandchildren that he would not break the peace, and while he officially didn't (it happened after his death), he actually planned and orchestrated the entire thing. Two of his grandchildren ended up banging each other (1st cousins). She died, and he turned the family back to crime at the cost of love (that being the cousin). I'd say two of his grandchildren did lose their souls.
‘Isn’t that a sign of weakness’ ‘Yes’ ‘I didn’t give my word’ (looks at Michael as if to say ‘that’s my boy’ then walks off to explain further how he should go about things like an absolute badass)
Yeah, brando being brando rejected many techniques because he didn't wanted pieces of latex (or some shit) being pasted on his face. They ended up painting his face to make him look like an old fuck. The make up artist deserves a medal for what he achieved.
The Make up artist was the same who transformed Dustin Hoffman in a very old man in Little Big Man, made the devil make up in The Exorcist, made the Sci Fi in Taxi Driver and won and Oscar for transforming F. Murray Abraham in an old Salieri in Amadeus, the one and only Dick Smith.
Yes it's rare and it certainly didn't happen in this movie. I'll give you two examples. 1. When Sonny is beating up Carlo, one of the camera shots is from the side and clearly shows his fist missing Carlo's face by about 8 inches...yet of course, Carlo "reacts" as if he'd really been punched. Brilliant and perfect? I think not. How about "mistake" left in for whatever reason, perhaps time pressures. 2. When Sonny gets shot at the toll booth, the camera shot from inside his car clearly shows his front windshield being shot out. Yet a moment later, when Sonny is lying dead on the pavement, the windshield is shown whole and undamaged. Brilliant and perfect? I think not. These are editing mistakes and continuity gaps.
A thought has just occurred to me: prior to Michael’s return from Sicily, the only scene where we see Vito and Michael together (at least in the theatrical version) is when Michael goes to the hospital. So we have the two main characters never actually interacting until the final third or so of the film.
As always, every scene in this film was a work of art, and again, hats off to the director for cutting this one out. It was much more effective that this remained unsaid in the film. I never doubted that Vito knew exactly what Michael would do when the time came. It didn’t need to be said.
Totally agree , makes you wonder if he shot this just to delete it and let us see it years later Was that good of a movie that it would not surprise me
@@elig4056 well, it’s part of the process. They don’t shoot movies in the order we watch it so it’s not always where they arrive at a point and say, “we don’t need the following scene.” But even if they, as you said, filmed it for the sole purpose of deleting it, I ain’t complaining!
Since the heads of the other five families knew Vito as a man if his word (which he did keep BTW, since he only helped plan the "baptism killings"), it bought them enough time to find out who the traitor was and plot the killings of the heads of the other families and More Green.
+srb9 I'm still working through the deleted scenes on the anniversary DVD, and I have to say that nearly all of the scenes I've watched so far would have added some depth to either characters or situations seen in the final film. They would have explained:- Who Genco was (I never understood who Sonny was talking about until I looked him up)- Why Tom didn't seem to have any problem terrorising Woltz (even if Vito told him to)- That Luca Brasi was the one responsible for the horse head- What happened to Fabrizio (Michael would not likely have let that go)- More about Sonny and his ambivalence about becoming Don- Don Vito's awareness of Carlo's antagonism towards his daughter, and warning to Sonny not to get involvedI personally would be fascinated to see an extended cut by Coppola of both the first two movies, but we can understand why these scenes were left out. Both of the first two films are notoriously long (Part II warranted an intermission - almost unheard of by the '70s), and while the storylines and characters keep us engrossed, Coppola couldn't possibly keep all the explanation and depth that he would have liked. The movie would have just become too bogged down in its own exposition.I'm feeling a need to read the book.
Don Corleone looked so frail. Marlon Brando was so briliant in this underrated scene. I noticed he loved to Garden with his Peppers & Tomatoes. He planned to give some to his Associates and while he was in The Garden he "Died" but in many ways it was the Garden Of Evil.
Had this stayed in “It is a sign of weakness” would’ve been added to the long list of Godfather quotes and Hollywood would’ve had a field day throwing it into movies that don’t deserve or warrant it. Bumblebee: “Optimus, isn’t it a sign of weakness??”
I like this scene being deleted. It confirms what we see play out but I don't like to be told everything , its a good scene once you've already seen the original cut
Jerry 85g no one seems to realize the Don has been shot several times and is pretty old. He is sort of fighting for his life until Mikey returns and retires with the utmost confidence.
Jerry 85g in the book it's explained that the Don learned that Barzini people were beginning to sniff Michaels trail and he realized he had no choice but to make the peace in order to prevent the loss of another child and regroup his forces. Barzini did act attempt to murder Michaels even after the meeting according to the book chronological order which begs the question; was Barzini suspicious of Vito intentions after the meeting ?. Vito knew his family had no chance of survival if he didn't clear Michaels charges and insure his safety. Thus, his decision to look weak.
The Don only admitted that to show Michael, that his love for Michael was his weakness, meaning he had to show weakness to keep him safe and by him keeping his word for Michael's safety is a sign of weakness. It was one or the other and the Don chose Michael's safety...
When Michael says he never gave his word the look on Vito's face ... utter sadness that the one 'pure' son had been corrupted. Even though he was, I think, hoping that Michael would break the code that it had to be him to take over and deal out justice, he still wished it didn't have to be and was crushed when Michael figured it out. But then pride that his legacy would live on through a son worthy of turning things over to, not a hothead like Sonny or a imbecile like Fredo but a cool, clever, calculating and ruthless so man so much like himself. Nice work from Brando here.
Editors, good ones, are quite remarkable. While this scene isn’t horrible, it certainly isn’t great, or needed. And definitely feels awkward. Thank god for great editors.
This is a great scene. I think the moment when Don Vito admits that his pledge to never break the peace was indeed an act of weakness is the same moment when Michael understands that allowing family to influence how he takes care of business could be a liability in the future. In GFII, Michael asks his mother if it was possible to lose his family by being strong for it; I've always thought that Mama Corleone didn't fully grasp the question asked by her son when she answered that you could never lose your family. By this time, the effects of Michael's decision on how Corleone family business should be handled/settled had already been realized. He'd made a sacrifice of sorts to save the Corleone family legacy at the expense of driving away those close to him on a personal level.
When she tells him he could never lose his family, he responds that times are changing, meaning that the old code and oaths and principles were gone. Michael was blood thirsty, but look at all the family members that betrayed them along the way. Tessio, Michael's body guard, his brother in law, Fredo...
I don't see it as a sign of weakness but a stall in order to make things "right". When he sees that Michael wants to handle things, that's when he says "We have a lot to talk about." He's sad but happy that he has someone that he trusts to handle family business , at least as far as revenge goes.
I love the line "It is a sign of weakness". Other than that I am glad that this scene was deleted. First because Vito was definitely in on the plan, and second it gives the plan away too early.
There are a lot of deleted scenes that fill in plot or character motivations, but I like that this was cut. Vito Corleone's words that "I will not be the one to break the peace" resonate much more if you realize (without being told) that he's going to have Michael be the vehicle of his vengeance.
The exact opposite of what Vito wanted for Michael. But this scene showed that he finally realized that Michael was the correct choice to fill his shoes……like it or not.
I wonder if this was Vito's plan all along, pulling the strings knowing that Michael would avenge the family. His smile saying we have alot to talk about was almost immediate. No talking Michael out of it or the risk to the family.
I can't believe Vito wanted to keep his word about not breaking the peace, almost as if Sonny's death shouldn't be avenged. He even insists with Michael about not breaking it even though he does warn him about the impending assasination attempt which would force Michael to abandon the peace himself!
Well Mikey always wanted out, while the Don was in his deathbed he felt the love of his prodigal son being there for the family at their darkest of hours. The fact he knows about Sicily better than his other 2 sons is willing to take part of his family makes him sort of breathe a sigh of relief that all he built would stay within the family. That his sign of weakness wasn't all in vain and that those who tried to kill him and killed Sonny would taste revenge.
Vito Corleone was a man of his word. He would never break that agreement. He's a modest man always known for being reasonable. Perhaps a bit too modest some would say. 🤔
nicky29031977 That was all a farce my friend. He called the meeting in order to decipher who was actually responsible for Sonny's death. He needed Michael back in order to save the family. He would never break his word. He was man of high honor. His son would do it for him! Hehe
The scenes with Vito in his garden reminds me of the Roman emperor Diocletian, who reigned for twenty years and then retired. Of course, a few years later, everything went to hell and some officials came to his villa to beg him to return. Diocletian told them, “If you could see the cabbages we’re growing, you would not ask me that.”
This scene is probably unnecessary, but I love the Don’s line, “We have a lot of time to talk about it now.” This is what we all want as adults: time with our elderly parents to talk about it all (not plan murder, per se, but time to talk).
Michael :" Pop what about Sonny, what about Sicily. If we don't respond isn't family gonna be weak "..... He isn't even mentioning her, not even saying her name let alone addressing her as his wife. He is worried about status of his family, worried that family is weak. So what about Sicily....well Barzini tried to kill him but he got away. GOT AWAY....words Michael used in a book when speaking with his father about Sicily. Vito:" why do you think Barzini tried that.Did he try to kill you before we made a deal or was it too late to stop it. Michael:" yeahhh but I got away "... Literally and figuratively dodged the bullet. Vito informs him that family is weak but he can't do anything bc he gave a word, piece deal was made. Michael than takes it upon himself to save the family.He can do it he didn't give a word. Just like Coppola described it... .Michael offered himself to save the family. It was his destiny. There was noone else that could do it..sonny dead, Fredo slow( Coppola used the word sweet) but he didn't want that destiny . He wanted better for him and Kay.. Interestingly.....godfather 2.. House got attacked.Kay didn't die but almost. Michael sat on a train that very same night without even changing his clothes and went to NY to speak to Frank P. In that same house his old father's house......" Did you hear what happened in my home, in my home in my bedroom where my wife sleep and where my children come to play with their toys.In my home "....Michael is screaming and in the scrip at that moment Coppola writes a sentence ------- Fran P has never seen Michael that angry ----. I want you to help me get revenge....
Micheal should take a look at Vito and listen to the pain in his voice because the path he himself is about to embark on will leave him even more broken then his father
So this would have been around 1950, a full five years before the baptism murders. I always got the feeling that summit with the other dons, after which we see Tom and Vito driving home, was around 1948? So the movie glosses over several years in fairly short order.
It is a sign of weakness - the weakness of love and affection that Vito had for the safe return of Michael. Not sure if Michael understands that yet or not.
"Vc deu sua palavra de que nao quebraria a paz mas eu nao dei a minha" ,Michael se referindo ao acordo de trégua entre o pai e o chefe das 5 famílias ,Michael era brutal .
Here the power of the old Don is transferred to the young one! The old, weak Don wants peace at the price of weakness - but he accepts that this is not a solution for the future and that Michael will do what must be done. This is another scene that shows how incredibly intelligent Michael is and what a brilliant strategist he is. He always thinks two steps ahead of his opponents. Even in these 78 seconds you can see the incredible acting talent on display here.
I see comments below about how leaving this scene out improved the drama of the baptism scene, as we really don't know what's coming. I agree, and it reminded me of the Long Term Parking episode of The Sopranos. On the off chance you're reading this and haven't seen that TV show, stop what you're doing and go watch it. Spoilers below for The Sopranos: Long-term parking shows the death of Adrianna late in season 5, and then later in season 6 we're shown some additional scenes that give the details of what happened, including Chris explaining the situation to Tony, down in Tony's basement. Originally that scene in the basement was intended to part of the Long Term Parking episode, but cast members convinced David Chase that the episode would have more impact if we didn't know what's coming, and I think that's 100% correct.
I would rather they kept that scene in the movie. It kinda gave away the rope-a-dope but it also gave you a glimpse of just how long of a game Vito was playing. I mean he blessed Michael with a jewel from the grave. Damn
@@NinjaBuddha503 I suppose I am thinking about this as someone who was born years later. By the time I saw the movie, a climactic slaughter was already a cliche. So its nice to see the added context. Yes, the Corleones were weak. But waiting was also a matter of honor.
All the pride in Vito's eyes looking at his favourite son, the best of the three to become Don. His biggest pride, his biggest regret.
I think Michael was the best of the three but he was not quite a good Godfather. Michael had a Marine view: blow it all up. The book makes it clear that Don Vito screwed up when he had Tom as his advisor. Michael would have been a good politician. Sonny would have been a good Don but he figured out too late that Tom was being out-thought by a combination of three families.
Scott Ellerby this is a tough one if you're just goin by the movie. Because the movie has the important scene of Vito being in the hospital and Michael saying "I'm with you now" and he started to cry. You guys are right. Both of you. But I do think that scene shows how Vito "truly felt" even if he didn't know it himself.
you can see the disappointment in vito face when michael said he take all the responsibilities.. he never want michael to become like him..
@@Easy-Eight i disagree on the sonny part. He was to emotional and aggresive to be a don and also was more of hence why it was easy for barzini to trap and kill sonny. He simply lacked the brains. You can see it in gf2 that since he was a little baby h re thinks with his fists instea of his head
The Mystery Man Same way Michael showed regret when he let Vincent become the son to succeed him.
It is not the act of a friend to withhold scenes, surely he could’ve charged more at the box office for such services, after all, we are not communists
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"It is a sign of weakness" underrated line
Evan Samuel Amazing line. They should have left this scene in the movie.
The Don made peace to make sure Michael got back home safe.
fvecc Nah
the student is now the teacher. the torch has now passed.
That was Don Vito father talking, not Don Vito mob boss
This was an intriguing scene, but it was edited out for good reason. It gives away what was arguably the best scene of the movie: the baptism sequence, which was the climax. In the subsequent scene where Michael reunites with Kay and informs her that he's now working for his father and that the Corleone Family will "be legitimate in five years," it makes the audience naive enough to believe that he's sticking to his original vow to her that he would never be a man like his father. But when we see the baptism scene, in which the heads of the five NY Mafia families are knocked off, it creates an element of surprise. Had this deleted scene been included, it would have made the baptism scene too expected and predictable, because we would have known that Michael was going to eventually execute vendetta for his wife and brother's death.
It was clear the plan was already in place when Vito told Michael that he never wanted this life for Michael, that whoever sets up the meeting is a traitor, and at the meeting he will be assassinated. The baptism scene only showed how it went down.
@@cptpapa Maybe. But that plan wasn't so obvious and directly stated as when Michael tells his father in the garden that he will assume all responsibility for the Corleone vengeance against the the heads of the other NY families. When Vito tells Michael that he "never wanted this" for him, I think he was speaking more in general terms about organized crime, and his desire for Michael to become legitimate ("Sen. Corleone, Gov. Corloene ... something"). There were no specific allusions to mob hits.
@@lwmson I do see what you mean and both sense would have been close together making it over obvious what was going to happen and when. Especially after Tom asked “when are you gonna make your move?” and he said after the baptism.
Great point
@Roger B Pacinos acting is much weaker though, lets face it, he get by on his look's early on in his career, and of course he became a great actor later on, although I do like him in the godfather, if nothing else, only because he seems so innocent and curious and young, which arguably makes his transition to becoming a gangster all the more tragic and shocking
Don Vito swore to not break the peace in order to ensure Michael's safe return from Italy. The look on his face when he tells Michael his promise was an act of weakness revealed how much he loved his son. For Vito there was clearly a limit to what was willing to do maintain his standing amongst the heads of the five families. I think Vito was willing to accept Sonny's assassination as a matter of business, but Michael's safety clearly came before all else.
@Jj Sicily was the attempt to kill Michael, but his wife was killed.
Michael wanted revenge for both his brother and his wife.
Vito was too weak, so he had to give full power of the Corleone family to Michael.
Forget about Fredo, he showed his incompetence when he failed to protect Vito.
Vito knew exactly what he was doing. He showed weakness on purpose. He had to insure Michael could come back safely. It was a controlled retreat. He gave HIS word that he wouldn’t break the peace. He turned power of the family over to Michael and then masterminded the plan of revenge. “Technically” not breaking the peace and keeping his honor since he wasn’t the Don anymore but getting revenge for Sonny’s death and returning the family to it’s position of power.
@@UltimateBargains I agree. When Vito admits that his reluctance to execute vendetta for Sonny's death was " a sign of weakness," he's relinquishing the same strength that made him the don as a young man when he assassinated Don Fannuci. He realizes now that Michael with his youth has inherited that strength, and it is only fitting that now Michael assumes the reigns of the family to make it strong once again.
@Jj It was a tactical move on Vito's part. He could keep his word about not breaking the peace, or taking any actions of revenge.
But that promise did not preclude Michael from taking action!
@@fredthomas8132 👍
Despite all the controversies and disapproval of Francis Ford Coppola's casting, Al Pacino and Marlon Brando come across like a real father and son, which is indicative of the amazing chemistry between these two legendary actors.
Look at Micheal’s eyes and expression when he asks about weakness. That is the official transformation to the man he is in part II. Cold, mean, and calculated. I love it.
This just proves that The Don was playing chess when all the other families, even Barzini himself, were playing checkers. The Don needed time to plan and prepare, and he also needed time to groom Michael for leadership.
The other families must have been giddy to see The Don laid low, humbled and forced into peace just so he could save the life of a son that no one really paid attention to and most still didn't respect even after the Solozzo hit. No one saw Michael's potential except The Don. No one could've envisioned a scenario where the heads of all the other families got wiped out all at once...
Except The Don.
Chess versus checkers.
Don Vito did that to buy time; when the time came, Michael was prepared & carried out with the attack mercilessly & thoroughly.
Barzini did see it coming. That's why he tried to kill Michael in Sicily. He knew Michael killed Solozzo. But he thought he had Michael via Tessio, so he let his guard down
Partly a foolish statement Barzini was definitely playing chess and he was pretty good but pretty good won't beat great when the stakes are high
Barzini and the others should have known better. Don Ciccio knew that Vito Andolini would one day take revenge, so he refused to spare him (Part II); and Barzini should have realized that Michael Corleone would do the same. A Sicilian has a duty to take revenge. It was only seemingly a sign of weakness when Don Vito made peace with the other families; in reality, he ensured that the man he knew would take revenge remained alive.
Even the deleted scenes are better than some of the movies
Underrated comment
Lol😂😂😂😂 true man
Are better
This is, by far, my favorite deleted scene from this masterpiece film. I understand why it was taken out as it would give away what Michael had in store for his enemies. However, it is a beautiful, heart touching scene between an aging father and Don and his youngest son.
Michael has a different look in his eyes, one of calm, cool headed vengeance. Al Pacino brought that character to life like no one else could. His subtle skill in this and the second film truly shines bright like the sun on a hot, summer day in Florida.
He says more with his eyes than his mouth in these films. How Al Pacino didn't receive an Oscar for his unbelievably unparalleled efforts in these films is unjustifiable. I suppose his Oscar exists in the recognition of fans and historians alike some 50 years after his performance as Michael Corleone. Al Pacino, we salute you. 👏
Vengeance?
Sure, for his family, Sonny and himself.
I feel this would have added a lot more to the story then people are giving it credit for. This scene shows Micheal's vengeful side which plays a large role in the second movie. As well as show that he wants retribution for his Sicilian wife's murder, which I always felt was missing from the final cut.
The original version has the hits play out as a reaction to the assassination attempts that will come once Micheal is at his most vulnerable (when Vito dies) and is something Vito regrettably sees as necessary. When in actuality, Vito stayed his hand only because it would put Micheal in danger and he needed his "heir" to return and didn't want to lose another son. He only kept the peace to keep his word, not because he forgave them for killing Sonny.
The one and only issue I had with the first Godfather was how it portrayed Vito as a saint when he wasn't. And many of these deleted scenes do an amazing job of fleshing his character out, making him much more interesting.
you comment has 11 month, i don't care
you are right this is exactly what i thought , in the moovie, the godfather is seems as someone very positive, yet in the book, i told to myself more than one time "damn he's hard",
like prefering a son to an other,
With Brando's depiction of Vito, it seems like Vito couldn't harm a fly. He supposed to be this great feared gangster, but meanwhile; it looks like he wouldn't cross the street against the light. Then he would help an elderly woman with her groceries. I guess that's the beauty of Brando's acting.
The “saintly portrayal” is the catalyst for the entire film. Vito’s been on top so long that the younger gangsters like Solozzo think he’s “slipping.” They don’t remember him from the “old days.”
The deleted scenes are better than 95% of scenes from all other films.
Vito knew damn well Michael would avenge the family after his death. Ultimate long game.
vitos smile in the end is so nice
and micheals eyes for vengeance is great
I’m glad I saw this scene! I always assumed Vito and Michael planned the whole thing for after Vitos death. Now seeing this scene it confirms it
The book "Godfather" devotes a bit to this discussion.
It was clear the plan was already in place when Vito told Michael that he never wanted this life for Michael, that whoever sets up the meeting is a traitor, and at the meeting he will be assassinated. The baptism scene only showed how it went down.
I don't understand why they deleted this scene
@@chrisballesteros6181 To make their collaboration less explicit, however, this was restored to the miniseries format for the first two movies when they were televised in 1979.
@@jamallabarge2665 I must re-read the book.
Michael would have been a great senator or Congressman especially since he was a war hero and intelligent but he always would have been expected to do favors for his family. He never could have been completely legit even after his dad died.
It's a shame they cut maybe the most important scene in the saga. What this scene shows is the difference between Vito and Michael in the most important way. Vito was family first, at all costs. Michael, mistakenly thought saving the Corleone business was the way to save his family. And when business comes first, that's how you end up killing your own brother and brother-in-law. When Vito dies, he is surrounded by family, friends, loyalists and even enemies paying their mutual love and respect at his funeral. Michael dies alone, unloved, separated from family... all because the Corleone Business was the most important thing in the world to him.
Carlo couldn't have been worse to connie & set santino up to be killed so he deserved it, michael gave fredo lots of chances but he was stupid, weak & proved to be a big liability...he did wind up regretting killing fredo tho.
Let's face it. Vito did well cause he married a good woman and Michael married a fucking schifuza
@@moshecohen5551 exactly. Michaels first wife emulated his mothers qualities but unfortunately was murdered. You’re right about Kay. She always irked me 😂
COULDNT SAID IT ANY BETTER!!!! UR DEAD ON
Vito died alone, well there was a grandkid running around but that's it. Who knows what kind of funeral Mike had.
this is a powerful scene if they kept it, - the garden was empty, by the time Micheal came back the garden was full with tall plants, would have given a great vision of how long Michael was away for!
Michael had that shiner for like two years
Until the plastic surgeon took care of it. As Fredp says, "I can't get over how good your face looks. It looks great. This doctor did some job. Did Kay talk you into it?"
Haha
Vito swore not to avenge Sonny, Micheal on the other hand...plus Appolonia. Oh heads was going to roll.
He is not even mentioning her, not even saying her name let alone addressing her as his wife.
What about Sicily?
Barzini tried to kill him but he got away.
Michael wasn't even looking for Fabricio until Kay stayed pregnant with their first child.
Killed him for the safety of his family not vengeance
This has to be one of the best deleted scenes I’ve ever seen. Adds so much insight to the final conflict
Agreed, it's one of my favorite. But if you are watching the movie for the first time it would probably take away the shocking ending somewhat. That ending just gets you the first time you see it.
Yes it gives us insight into the fact that Michael didn't give a fuck about apollonia....
@@dc6461 “What about Sicily” He had to of cared for apollonia she is a pivotal reason Michael became more detached over time. He probably loved her more than Kay.
@@spedman56 not only that he didn't love apollonia more than Kay
He didn't love her all..... with his heart.
He didn't value her, respect her, had any affection for her or cared for her.
All words from book, movies and scripts.
He loved her sexually.....physical act of love was the only thing between them.
We call that sex or fucking but that would be too vulgare for movie or the book.
That's how it was described in a book, shown in a movie, commented by Coppola, confirmed by Pacino himself confirmed my Michael Corleone and all the music in the trilogy that Coppola used to fill in the gaps in a story.
Apollonia was a semiliteral manipulative goldigger who Michael conned into marriage at the hight of the danger and killed.
He didn't marry her bc he wanted to spend his life with her or bc he loved her but bc he had to.
There is no sex before marriage in sicily and Michael is having thunderstorm which is biological manifestation of arousal, sexual eraction.
When Michael spoke to old Vitteli, when he mentioned marriage Coppola commented with words " This is NOT the case of a prince asking for a princess ".
He came into her house and made her an offer that she goldigging skank she was couldn't refuse.
She agreed to go out with him and wedding was set up in two weeks bc she thought he was rich.
That is straight from the book, something Coppola showed you perfectly in a movie.
He never told her she was in danger
Village circus of their wedding that her father made is how they found him .
He killed her and than moved on as if she never existed.
@@spedman56
MICHAEL AFTER APOLLONIA DIED....
He came home bc his father could not guarantee his safety any more.
He is speaking to his dad in the back yard
" Pop what about Sonny what about Sicily If we don't respond isn't family gonna be weak "....
Not even mentioning her, not even saying her name let alone addressing her as his wife.
He is worried about status of his family
He is worried that they are weak.
Sonny was a bad Don and under his leadership Corleone lost territories.
He offered himself to save the family bc he was the only one to do it.
It was his destiny to become godfather.... Sonny dead, Fredo retarded.
But he didn't want that destiny for him and Kay.
MICHAEL AFTER KAY DIDN'T DIE...
gf2 house got attacked.Kay didn't die but almost.
Michael didn't even change his clothes, he sat on a train that very same night and went to NY to speak to Frank P.
In that same house his old father's house this time screaming bloody murder
" Did you hear what happened in my home, in my home in my bedroom where my wife sleep and where my children come to play with their toys.In my home. I want you to help me get revenge "
At that moment in a scene, in the script Coppola writes a sentence---- Frank P has never seen Michael that angry--
Yeahhh......
So what about Sicily?
Well Barzini tried to kill him but he got away
GOT AWAY....words Michael used in a book when he spoke to Vito about Sicily.
Vito:" Why do you think Barzini tried that.Did he try to kill you before we made a deal or was it too late to stop it "
Michael :" Yeahh but I got away "..
In otherwords he dogged the bullet which is exactly how it was portrayed in a movie and described in a book.
I would not use those words if a dog with flees died bc of me instead of me
It is interesting. Vito swore on the souls of his grandchildren that he would not break the peace, and while he officially didn't (it happened after his death), he actually planned and orchestrated the entire thing. Two of his grandchildren ended up banging each other (1st cousins). She died, and he turned the family back to crime at the cost of love (that being the cousin). I'd say two of his grandchildren did lose their souls.
+ered203 Well there you go.
Haha yea stupid family
+ered203 15 Catholics thumbed you up.
Wow....great post ...he did swear and Michael shouldn't even brought the idea to him !
Your a sopranos fanatic!
‘Isn’t that a sign of weakness’
‘Yes’
‘I didn’t give my word’
(looks at Michael as if to say ‘that’s my boy’ then walks off to explain further how he should go about things like an absolute badass)
One thing you have to really appreciate is the Make-up people that did Brando who is my age (47) in this movie ...damn ...he looks 80 !
Yeah, brando being brando rejected many techniques because he didn't wanted pieces of latex (or some shit) being pasted on his face. They ended up painting his face to make him look like an old fuck. The make up artist deserves a medal for what he achieved.
It’s hard to believe that he played Col. Kurtz several years after playing Don Vito.
The Make up artist was the same who transformed Dustin Hoffman in a very old man in Little Big Man, made the devil make up in The Exorcist, made the Sci Fi in Taxi Driver and won and Oscar for transforming F. Murray Abraham in an old Salieri in Amadeus, the one and only Dick Smith.
Youre 51 now. Older than Brando in this scene. LOL
U gave ur word “I didn’t give mine,,,,
I love how vito says " well we have a lot of time to talk about it now"
The deleted scenes are better than all the movies that won an Oscar today
It’s rare case that every scene including the deleted ones in a movie is brilliant and perfect.....
Yes it's rare and it certainly didn't happen in this movie. I'll give you two examples. 1. When Sonny is beating up Carlo, one of the camera shots is from the side and clearly shows his fist missing Carlo's face by about 8 inches...yet of course, Carlo "reacts" as if he'd really been punched. Brilliant and perfect? I think not. How about "mistake" left in for whatever reason, perhaps time pressures. 2. When Sonny gets shot at the toll booth, the camera shot from inside his car clearly shows his front windshield being shot out. Yet a moment later, when Sonny is lying dead on the pavement, the windshield is shown whole and undamaged. Brilliant and perfect? I think not. These are editing mistakes and continuity gaps.
This is a perfect example of why The Godfather Saga was so good.
A thought has just occurred to me: prior to Michael’s return from Sicily, the only scene where we see Vito and Michael together (at least in the theatrical version) is when Michael goes to the hospital. So we have the two main characters never actually interacting until the final third or so of the film.
As always, every scene in this film was a work of art, and again, hats off to the director for cutting this one out. It was much more effective that this remained unsaid in the film. I never doubted that Vito knew exactly what Michael would do when the time came. It didn’t need to be said.
Totally agree , makes you wonder if he shot this just to delete it and let us see it years later
Was that good of a movie that it would not surprise me
@@elig4056 well, it’s part of the process. They don’t shoot movies in the order we watch it so it’s not always where they arrive at a point and say, “we don’t need the following scene.” But even if they, as you said, filmed it for the sole purpose of deleting it, I ain’t complaining!
In some ways, it couldn’t be said. Vito could not even let himself be tempted to break the peace himself...
Since the heads of the other five families knew Vito as a man if his word (which he did keep BTW, since he only helped plan the "baptism killings"), it bought them enough time to find out who the traitor was and plot the killings of the heads of the other families and More Green.
I have never seen this & it all makes sense to me now. This is awesome!!!
+mannybrucesalvador and Brando is 46 in this scene and the makeup people did an amazing job making him look frail and around 75 !
Glad this scene was cut. I enjoyed being surprised by the baptism scene when I first watched it. This would have spoiled that.
It’s a crime this was left out !!! But what a pleasure to see it now !!! Thanks 🙏 for posting !!
It was a major turning point, in the book. It should have been left in the movie.
In the position the Don found himself and not lose everything took tremendous patience and strategy.
0:35 "I swore that I would never bake a pizza."
Why does Don Corleone despise pizzaïoli so much ? That's another new godfather mystery.
Mr Gray 😂😂😂😂😂
Brake the peace
Wtf
:-D
HAHAAHA it def sounds like that
This should have been kept in.
+srb9 I'm still working through the deleted scenes on the anniversary DVD, and I have to say that nearly all of the scenes I've watched so far would have added some depth to either characters or situations seen in the final film. They would have explained:- Who Genco was (I never understood who Sonny was talking about until I looked him up)- Why Tom didn't seem to have any problem terrorising Woltz (even if Vito told him to)- That Luca Brasi was the one responsible for the horse head- What happened to Fabrizio (Michael would not likely have let that go)- More about Sonny and his ambivalence about becoming Don- Don Vito's awareness of Carlo's antagonism towards his daughter, and warning to Sonny not to get involvedI personally would be fascinated to see an extended cut by Coppola of both the first two movies, but we can understand why these scenes were left out. Both of the first two films are notoriously long (Part II warranted an intermission - almost unheard of by the '70s), and while the storylines and characters keep us engrossed, Coppola couldn't possibly keep all the explanation and depth that he would have liked. The movie would have just become too bogged down in its own exposition.I'm feeling a need to read the book.
+NewhamMatt Go read the book. Much better.
+NewhamMatt this scene along with other deleted scenes were in "The Godfather: A Novel For Television" which was originally aired in 1977.
+brothertee1017 Yes I know these scenes were restored for television in 1977.
+NewhamMatt Who was Genco? Genco olives?
Don Corleone looked so frail. Marlon Brando was so briliant in this underrated scene. I noticed he loved to Garden with his Peppers & Tomatoes. He planned to give some to his Associates and while he was in The Garden he "Died" but in many ways it was the Garden Of Evil.
Had this stayed in “It is a sign of weakness” would’ve been added to the long list of Godfather quotes and Hollywood would’ve had a field day throwing it into movies that don’t deserve or warrant it. Bumblebee: “Optimus, isn’t it a sign of weakness??”
I like this scene being deleted. It confirms what we see play out but I don't like to be told everything , its a good scene once you've already seen the original cut
Kevin, thank you very much for putting this very important scene on RUclips.
Am glad they left this scene out
Best movie ever made. Period.
I wonder if the "we have a lot of time..." was deliberate for later in the garden when he says, "wasn't enough time MIchael"
Great scene, but I'm glad it was cut. Made Michael and his vendetta more satisfying without that foreshadowing.
This did make the Don look weak.
Jerry 85g no one seems to realize the Don has been shot several times and is pretty old. He is sort of fighting for his life until Mikey returns and retires with the utmost confidence.
So much so that he even admitted it.
Well he knew that peace would keep Michael safe till the Don died That's why the other families backed off
Jerry 85g in the book it's explained that the Don learned that Barzini people were beginning to sniff Michaels trail and he realized he had no choice but to make the peace in order to prevent the loss of another child and regroup his forces. Barzini did act attempt to murder Michaels even after the meeting according to the book chronological order which begs the question; was Barzini suspicious of Vito intentions after the meeting ?. Vito knew his family had no chance of survival if he didn't clear Michaels charges and insure his safety. Thus, his decision to look weak.
The Don only admitted that to show Michael, that his love for Michael was his weakness, meaning he had to show weakness to keep him safe and by him keeping his word for Michael's safety is a sign of weakness. It was one or the other and the Don chose Michael's safety...
When Michael says he never gave his word the look on Vito's face ... utter sadness that the one 'pure' son had been corrupted. Even though he was, I think, hoping that Michael would break the code that it had to be him to take over and deal out justice, he still wished it didn't have to be and was crushed when Michael figured it out. But then pride that his legacy would live on through a son worthy of turning things over to, not a hothead like Sonny or a imbecile like Fredo but a cool, clever, calculating and ruthless so man so much like himself. Nice work from Brando here.
Editors, good ones, are quite remarkable. While this scene isn’t horrible, it certainly isn’t great, or needed. And definitely feels awkward. Thank god for great editors.
This is a great scene. I think the moment when Don Vito admits that his pledge to never break the peace was indeed an act of weakness is the same moment when Michael understands that allowing family to influence how he takes care of business could be a liability in the future. In GFII, Michael asks his mother if it was possible to lose his family by being strong for it; I've always thought that Mama Corleone didn't fully grasp the question asked by her son when she answered that you could never lose your family. By this time, the effects of Michael's decision on how Corleone family business should be handled/settled had already been realized. He'd made a sacrifice of sorts to save the Corleone family legacy at the expense of driving away those close to him on a personal level.
When she tells him he could never lose his family, he responds that times are changing, meaning that the old code and oaths and principles were gone. Michael was blood thirsty, but look at all the family members that betrayed them along the way. Tessio, Michael's body guard, his brother in law, Fredo...
I don't see it as a sign of weakness but a stall in order to make things "right". When he sees that Michael wants to handle things, that's when he says "We have a lot to talk about." He's sad but happy that he has someone that he trusts to handle family business , at least as far as revenge goes.
I love the line "It is a sign of weakness". Other than that I am glad that this scene was deleted. First because Vito was definitely in on the plan, and second it gives the plan away too early.
Vitos attempt on his life, sonnys death, Sicily, it was all quite personal to Michael....
You gave your word I never gave mine ,truth if ever truth was spoken
Watching deleted scenes from the Godfather, it has now been 2 days
If they put all these deleted scenes then this movie would be 4 hours long
If there was a picture of Antonio Andolini it probably looked exactly like Michael, thus Vito knew he was the one.
This scene should have absolutely been in the movie I cannot believe it didn't make the cut
WTF man so many good scenes deleted or cut...been watching them back to back....
All knowledge that is needed -all the wisdom of the ages -it’s all in The Godfather
Damn. Modern classic. Even the scenes that didn’t make in on screen
There are a lot of deleted scenes that fill in plot or character motivations, but I like that this was cut.
Vito Corleone's words that "I will not be the one to break the peace" resonate much more if you realize (without being told) that he's going to have Michael be the vehicle of his vengeance.
The exact opposite of what Vito wanted for Michael. But this scene showed that he finally realized that Michael was the correct choice to fill his shoes……like it or not.
"It is a sign of weakness" Suxh an impactful line dunno why this got chopped
This scene is pure gold!!
I wonder if this was Vito's plan all along, pulling the strings knowing that Michael would avenge the family. His smile saying we have alot to talk about was almost immediate. No talking Michael out of it or the risk to the family.
- But won't they take that as a sign on weakness?
- It IS a sign of weakness
Jesus Christ, this feels like an important scene. It's also a good one. Wish this was left in the theatrical cut.
I can't believe Vito wanted to keep his word about not breaking the peace, almost as if Sonny's death shouldn't be avenged. He even insists with Michael about not breaking it even though he does warn him about the impending assasination attempt which would force Michael to abandon the peace himself!
Good catch..but couldn't realy understand what it was supposed to mean? What do you think?
Well Mikey always wanted out, while the Don was in his deathbed he felt the love of his prodigal son being there for the family at their darkest of hours. The fact he knows about Sicily better than his other 2 sons is willing to take part of his family makes him sort of breathe a sigh of relief that all he built would stay within the family. That his sign of weakness wasn't all in vain and that those who tried to kill him and killed Sonny would taste revenge.
Vito Corleone was a man of his word. He would never break that agreement. He's a modest man always known for being reasonable. Perhaps a bit too modest some would say. 🤔
Obviously he's too modest if he's prepared to turn a blind eye to his sons death!
nicky29031977 That was all a farce my friend. He called the meeting in order to decipher who was actually responsible for Sonny's death. He needed Michael back in order to save the family. He would never break his word. He was man of high honor. His son would do it for him! Hehe
I take all responsibility, The smile on his Fathers face.
The scenes with Vito in his garden reminds me of the Roman emperor Diocletian, who reigned for twenty years and then retired. Of course, a few years later, everything went to hell and some officials came to his villa to beg him to return. Diocletian told them, “If you could see the cabbages we’re growing, you would not ask me that.”
This scene seems so important, hard to see it not making the cut.
This scene is probably unnecessary, but I love the Don’s line, “We have a lot of time to talk about it now.” This is what we all want as adults: time with our elderly parents to talk about it all (not plan murder, per se, but time to talk).
i love al pacino, my god, michael is definitely my favorite character
Michael :" Pop what about Sonny, what about Sicily. If we don't respond isn't family gonna be weak ".....
He isn't even mentioning her, not even saying her name let alone addressing her as his wife. He is worried about status of his family, worried that family is weak.
So what about Sicily....well Barzini tried to kill him but he got away.
GOT AWAY....words Michael used in a book when speaking with his father about Sicily.
Vito:" why do you think Barzini tried that.Did he try to kill you before we made a deal or was it too late to stop it.
Michael:" yeahhh but I got away "...
Literally and figuratively dodged the bullet.
Vito informs him that family is weak but he can't do anything bc he gave a word, piece deal was made.
Michael than takes it upon himself to save the family.He can do it he didn't give a word.
Just like Coppola described it...
.Michael offered himself to save the family. It was his destiny. There was noone else that could do it..sonny dead, Fredo slow( Coppola used the word sweet) but he didn't want that destiny . He wanted better for him and Kay..
Interestingly.....godfather 2..
House got attacked.Kay didn't die but almost. Michael sat on a train that very same night without even changing his clothes and went to NY to speak to Frank P. In that same house his old father's house......" Did you hear what happened in my home, in my home in my bedroom where my wife sleep and where my children come to play with their toys.In my home "....Michael is screaming and in the scrip at that moment Coppola writes a sentence ------- Fran P has never seen Michael that angry ----.
I want you to help me get revenge....
Micheal should take a look at Vito and listen to the pain in his voice because the path he himself is about to embark on will leave him even more broken then his father
This destroys the surprise cleansing at the end. I see why it was deleted.
Just combine the deleted scenes and Godfather 4 is ready 🍷🗿
So this would have been around 1950, a full five years before the baptism murders. I always got the feeling that summit with the other dons, after which we see Tom and Vito driving home, was around 1948? So the movie glosses over several years in fairly short order.
It is a sign of weakness - the weakness of love and affection that Vito had for the safe return of Michael. Not sure if Michael understands that yet or not.
Friggin Awesome' I never knew about this scene , how is this not in the final cut ?
Element of surprise. For the final scene.
"Vc deu sua palavra de que nao quebraria a paz mas eu nao dei a minha" ,Michael se referindo ao acordo de trégua entre o pai e o chefe das 5 famílias ,Michael era brutal .
His son says I do it alone dad, his dad looks at him proudly, no we do it together son.
0:20 they shouldve showed more of Vito & Michael together but probably not a scene like this but different.
“I never wanted this for you Michael”
That's one of those scenes they should have left in.
Here the power of the old Don is transferred to the young one! The old, weak Don wants peace at the price of weakness - but he accepts that this is not a solution for the future and that Michael will do what must be done. This is another scene that shows how incredibly intelligent Michael is and what a brilliant strategist he is. He always thinks two steps ahead of his opponents.
Even in these 78 seconds you can see the incredible acting talent on display here.
An offer he can’t refuse!
If he had been a Chinese godfather, you wouldn't be able to understand the offer.
Damn...vito looks scary here...
Damn good make up for a movie that came out in the early 70s !
Two GOATS in one frame
I see comments below about how leaving this scene out improved the drama of the baptism scene, as we really don't know what's coming. I agree, and it reminded me of the Long Term Parking episode of The Sopranos.
On the off chance you're reading this and haven't seen that TV show, stop what you're doing and go watch it.
Spoilers below for The Sopranos:
Long-term parking shows the death of Adrianna late in season 5, and then later in season 6 we're shown some additional scenes that give the details of what happened, including Chris explaining the situation to Tony, down in Tony's basement.
Originally that scene in the basement was intended to part of the Long Term Parking episode, but cast members convinced David Chase that the episode would have more impact if we didn't know what's coming, and I think that's 100% correct.
I would rather they kept that scene in the movie. It kinda gave away the rope-a-dope but it also gave you a glimpse of just how long of a game Vito was playing. I mean he blessed Michael with a jewel from the grave. Damn
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These the leftovers,
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I think that sign of weakness was genuine but also strategic.
A lot of good parts were deleted. They answered many questions after watching the movie.
Glad they left this one out
Don Vito knew this... Michael knew this... it’s not something they needed to discuss. If Michael didn’t already understand, he’d not make it as Don.
I figured they probably had a talk like that. Michael knew what he was doing all too well.
That scene really sets up Michael's "kill 'em all" strategy. A shame it wasn't in the film.
It would have taken away from the Baptism scene, it just wouldn’t be the same. They had to make it look like a sign of weakness until that scene.
@@NinjaBuddha503 I suppose I am thinking about this as someone who was born years later. By the time I saw the movie, a climactic slaughter was already a cliche. So its nice to see the added context. Yes, the Corleones were weak. But waiting was also a matter of honor.
Out of all his sons, Michael was the most like him.
Vito gave his word That he won't break the peace between the 5 family. But Michael didn't =)