Rally Car Overview and Prep
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2017
- A quick look at rally cars, what goes into building a rally car and a few considerations for high speed driving on rough roads.
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Team O'Neil Rally School, so with all your mods, brakes, engine work, brake lines, roll cage, radiator, etc. how much does all that cost?
Team O'Neil Rally School thanks to For make this fantastic s vídeos! Big hug from Portugal islands•™D•💯🏁👍👊
Would like to get a parts list if possible. For an 18’, there is little to no available parts.
How much on ave does it cost to for yall to make a ford fiesta rally car??
Cost of a rally car build like this?
"Nothing's really done to the engine, except for the cams, pistons, head work, intake, ecu tune. You know, stock." Great video though, thanks for the info.
What suspension is recommended for a focus st. For rally cross/stage rally?
@@devildogsmprfi3576 Don't use a Focus the Fiesta is dominant for a reason.
To be fair that’s not much work compared to some things he has raced. Of course for us that’s very modified
@@Osprey1994 Bc it’s proven and the things that break on it are expected to break. I daily a focus but I would never do a rally build for it. Thinking about getting a CHEAP fiesta
14:46 "steal a road sign and bolt it underneath your Subaru" haha thanks for the idea :D
That wheel scraper is the kinda detail I never would have thought of that really made me go, "Hmm, neat!" These videos are really cool and informative.
I've watched about 5 videos so far and I gotta say: The amount of information density here is phenomenal, although it's still so easy to comprehend. I'm in awe at how much this stuff is soaking into my brain. All those little pieces of the grand puzzle that I've picked up over my life are now clicking into place.
Wyatt, you are a great teacher.
This guy is awesome. He never stops talking, which in this case is a good thing. No "eh.. eh... uhmm.. uhhh.." he knows what he wants to talk about and just goes for it. Gives you more confidence he knows what he's talking about instead of second guessing himself or trying to think of what he's actually talking about..
Good shit!
"if your engine mounts break, you're gonna have a bad time"
Megalovania
I laughed at "only some really basic stuff has been done to the engine... Only a different engine mapping. Oh and pistons, heads, cams, intake, motor mounts, but really nothing major" :D
-yeah, ECU, intake, okay
-ofc pistons from M-sport, some headwork, bigger cams
-okaaay
not much really about a 50 grand upgrade, not too expensive :D
Made me laugh but I think I understood what he means, there is no custom work done to the car like welding your own inlet manifold or adapting individual throttle bodies, throttle cables, injectors etc. I think he is saying the parts they use are off the shelf just like the typical coilover, you buy, you bolt, no crazy modding or one off parts. He is kinda right, if they contacted UK CatCams offer for almost any vehicle under the sun and you just pay your monies and bolt it on.
Those mods are not really that crazy... Intake, $150. Motor mounts $300, Cams $600, head port $300, Pistons $1500... ECU $1000.. All of those mods are pretty affordable.. People saying 50k upgrade.. You're crazy. The car is barely 10k brand new with maybe, maybe 4k in engine mods... People spend more on wheels and tires than what is done, concerning HP and TQ gains on this car
The block is still the same
I wish I had your energy to publicly speak. You don't even stutter, mess up, or read a script, and it's all done in one take. Goals. I want you to build my future rally Miata. Kthxbye.
YES AS A RALLY MIATA OWNER I APPROVE
this channel is gold
"waaah, gaaah, gaaah, gaaah, up through the gears"
my life
How about a car setup video? (How to tune suspension, etc while testing)
i think it is set highspeed compression (if you have it) set lowspeed compression (if you have it) and the most important part is to set the rebound as fast as you can before they start to act like pogo sticks. also set the springs for what you need, springs that get stiffer the more travel you use.
Does team O'Neil rally have any interest in starting a Global Rally cross division in the future???
this is such a nicely done video, straight to the point, absolutely no BS and very very logically structured. its like a textbook on rallycars :)
19:33 "One of the things that's really neat about these cars is the wheel scrapers.."
*brain explodes*
Some of the best ideas are that simple
"your left foot's on the brake, your right foot's on the gas, you go around the rally stage, and that's how it goes"
sounds pretty easy
Freaking love these frequent videos. Really interesting stuff
Man, I'm learning so many things that I want to do to my daily car now!!! That front end modularity / protection is awesome.
awesome video, makes you realize how much different is a Rally car from a regular track car!!
Love the content you guys are doing recently. Would be very interested to see what kind of alignment specs you guys run on the cars. Keep up the good work!
You're a Rally University! Thank-you for all the information and vicarious pleasure which all the videos provide in a thorough and enjoyable way.
Great information for someone building their first Rally Card. Appreciate it.
I would REALLY love to see a break down video of the fiesta STs y’all run in the school. Really interested in how y’all have them set up.
this guy is awesome to watch. he get right to the point, shows everything hes talking about and very well spoken
Thanks for all the useful information!
Excellent information. That added piece of foam that goes in between the skid plate and the oil pan is great.
I’ve had this on my tabs for 3 months to watch and it’s BRILLIANT. Thanks for all the info. Going to build a tarmac rally car for Targa Tasmania :)
Man you had me when you said steal a road sign an bolt it to your car for skid plate
THIS channel is so helpful. KEEP it up guys! Great way to get new kids into this! 🤙🤘🤘
Best rally content here... spoken human language. You guys are awesome.
Great video. I've been a rally fan since watching Colin McRae in his first Scottish International Rally when he was 17 driving a Vauxhall Nova Sport 1.3- I was 15 at the time. I'd have loved to have the chance but have never rallied a car- this really explained a lot of the prep involved. Great channel.
AWESOME WYATT....SO GLAD YOUR BACK
Kilo 23 you're*
cool that you can explain it in a way anybody can understand
great video! found this channel a few days ago and its a goldmine
Welcome aboard!
Great information!
Do you have a video on water protection, for example, for electrical and air intake components? Thanks
This dude does the best videos for you guys.
I was wondering how strengthen a car for rally use. This video was very helpful . Thanks
Great video, super informative, thank you.
Great video!
hey, thanks a ton for all the great info..ive got a mazdaspeed 3 that has been sittin around for a while..this looks like fun! lol
I havent found for a long time a video that could make explain a lot of stuff of a rally car like this one... I Live in Brazil and here is very dificult to find anything about this kind of stuff. Now I have an ideia on how can I go on preping my car...
Thank You so much!
Really nice video, very informative
Great video. I want to get into rally with my mk2 focus and this helps a lot. Especially coming from the utv and truck world.
thanks so much for this walkthrough
Great video.
So interesting and you have answered some of my question. I am actually building a Subaru for racing and I wish you could also give us some information on what requirement to do so as to achieve that start speed of say, from note to 100 in seconds.
13:28
DIRT over Tarmac uuvvuuuhhghhh
Was that the car (the first black car) that rolled up Mt Washington?
Subscribed for that sequential trans sound impersonation :)
i remember driving my old toyota mr2. i think it had 2/4 engine mounts (opposed) actually installed. then it had 3/4, then it had 3.9/4 (all there except for 1 bolt) then i sold it. GG
Just bought a basic 2017 fiesta so looking to start building that.
Excellent!!
I,m building an 02 wrx, thank you! I wish you were closer to me here in Ohio.
What shocks would you recommend for a 2011 ford fiesta as a good "entry level " shock kit? In the 2k-2500 or less budget.
Nice you schooled me on the brake rotors. Just go flat rotor.. no drilled or slotted.
Shift threw the gears "waaahh gaaa gaaa gaaa"!! Nice!
Do you all sell that fiesta skid plate?
Where do you get the kevlar sheets from?
GREAT VIDEO
Great video as always Wyatt! "And the world's a happy place!" Is the foam between skid plate and oil pan special? Most foam is pretty flammable I thought?
May be getting a job at a certain little rally school in texas, trying to do some hw before i leave dealership life
I’d love a parts list for the Fiesta. I haven’t raced anything in a long time but rallycross looks like loads of fun. Have been thinking about a Fiesta ST but really taking a base car and beefing it up would be more fun and likely more competitive. And if I decide to go further it wouldn’t be wasted- cage it and run it at that point.
Nice video :)
So mad! Now I am shopping for a car. Lol. Awesome video!
Awesome video full of good content at whats all involved explaining all the little details. Curious on what material is used for the horizontal pieces in the rear. It is a UHMW sheet or HDPE sheet?
TeamONeilRally Thanks for the follow up!
Nice belt and leather accessories. Is the Kevlar glued on?
Thank you for this video. Looks like one can build a fiesta into a rally car without too much money.
Sorry if you have answered this elsewhere, but where could I purchase that aftermarket extended front fender you have on this car? I want to also run with some small spacers, but am already having issues with a 185/65/15 gravel tire coming into contact with the fender, and I have pulled the factory ones out as far as they will go. Thanks for the great videos TO!
get several yards of t shirt material from the fabric store, a hot glue gun a couple dozen sticks of the black high temp glue sticks for glue gun and a couple gallons of fiberglass resin. make a simple frame out of wood or plastic rods around the part of the fender you wish to extend, coat the top of fender with hot glue then stick the t shirt material over it. then stretch the material over the frame that youve made around the fender, glue it in place. then coat the material liberally with resin and allow to cure. lightly sand the surface and apply another layer of resin and then some fiberglass mat- tjust one thin layer will be fine. once that cures shoot a layer of catalyzed sprayable body filler on it, sand till it looks acceptable to you.
you now have a fiberglass or even a carbon fiber mold that you can make as many fenders as you want from.
all these race shops where they are making all these one piece front ends and custom body panels for the race cars are doing it almost exactly like im describing above. make a prototype part that looks how you want it then take a mold off that part and you're set to make as many as you like.
Great channel 👌I here to learn how to build a car for the city daily drive but is capable of some good amount of run on the sand dirt gravel
15:00 What kind of foam would be good to use on the skid plate? Where do you guys get it?
It looks like a high density heat resistant foam. Itd be nice to know what its called though
Fascinating
from R3 to WRC cars all brake discs we mount are all slotted, of course not drilled (Not only because of dirt getting into the holes but also because drilled rotors are overall way fragile) but slotted rotors are pretty common (Even on gravel)...only N groups (AT least here in italy) mount normal vented rotors but N group are pretty much street cars with safety equip, some small things (Like engine mounts) and better suspensions with very little work on engine, so they don't really need that much braking
i heard ("directly" from some guy from an brakes-company in a video) that both slotted and drilled rotors just do clean your brake pads, but drilled is worse than slotted because they are "randomly" located and so they doesn't have a good cleaning effect. And for rally of course the thing with the stones apply, i guess
What kind of foam is the one on the skid plate?
Team O'neal if one wanted to get into rally cross but wasn't sure if they wanted to commit to the sport but also didnt want to finish last place all the time which car would you suggest and what would be the absolute bare necessities you would want to go for besides obviously safety stuff Roll cage fire stuff fire suit seat belts that kinda stuff is a given but excluding that.
Wyatt, are those engine mounts and transmission mounts that you pointed to only available in the M-Sport R2 cage kit or are there off the shelf solutions as well? Also, do those mounts connect to existing points on the engine and tranny case of a base fiesta car or are those points also only available on a kit car with the upgraded engine and seq. tranny? thanks in advance!
thanks for the quick and detailed response! you guys are awesome! Thanks!
Have y'all ever built a rally fiesta with the Ford Fox 1.0 liter 3 cylinder?
Hello, do you weld difs in a FWD rally cars?
how did yall get that 5 bolt pattern for the fiesta? is that a hard mod to do??
I would love to take a class here. I just don't have the time or money😥 Dirt 4 it is!!😂
Excellent presentation indeed! I've been looking for this kind of information since I'm building a rally car slowly-by-slowly. Ever done any work on Mitsubishi Lancer/Mirage 1.6litre FWD? If so I would be interested to see it; otherwise I've learnt quite a lot about a rally car build from this Ford Fiesta project. Thanks and keep up the good work.
A number of people have built up lancers but we haven't. Good luck on your build. If you ever need a professional rally car builder look up Thompson Racing Fabrication
@@Teamoneilrally Thanks.
Hi TORS.
Is there any modification required to fit the Reiger units? Modifications to the strut towers etc?
Also, where do you mount the front skid guard mount frame?
Cheers
Yes we replace the strut tops with some heavy-duty plate, and the skid plate has a support bracket that mounts to the frame.
Where do u find parts for the fiesta I look and look and all I find is that damn st I’m looking for stuff for stock fiestas
Do you all sell those skid plates? I have a 2014 Fiesta SE and I am interested in that skid plate
I'm wondering to know does the rally wheels do wheel balancing? I didn't see it when watching the wheel scraper section.
Great viewing, this guy knows his shit
What materials are used for the flaps on the skid plates, the inner fender white material and the horizontal flaps and where do you get it?
UHMW polyethylene
whats the average price per rim/wheel like you mentioned in the video? i want some for my vehicle but want to make sure im getting the real deal and not a clone or something of the sort.
If you guys are looking to make content Could I recommend you guys make a video about the gear you need inside the car safety bag what's needed in it ect. I'm taking notes for my 1st build I'm doing now.
Yes, that's a good one!
If you French fries when you're supposed to pizza, you're gonna have a bad time.
Doran H yes
I've got a question that I hope someone can answer for me ! I'm planning on getting my rally licence in the coming months as it's only a day course but when I get it I'm limited to 1.6 litre engines till i finish 4 events then I can drive what ever but my question is can i use a shell from a small light car and cram a 1.6 litre engine into it with all the safety requirements such a role cage and electrical cut off and still compete in stages even tho the engine and car will be different makes ? thanks to who ever can answer this
What padding do you use to pad the oil pan?
Can't help but notice that's not a standard Fiesta upright. Ford insists on using those weird clamp connections to keep the shock attached to the knuckle, this uses the classic two-bolt connection. Plus correct me if I am wrong, but the Fiesta features 4-lug wheels, but this one has 5 lugs. If I were a betting boy I'd guess these are uprights from a Mazda CX7.
What car will you guys switch to when they stop selling the Fiesta in the US?
theshonen8899 yaris probably ;p
theshonen8899 Probably whatever replaces the Fiesta. They're big time Ford guys at Team O'Neil. The Fiesta is nice because it's a solid reliable platform and it's at the inexpensive end of the spectrum. If Ford was to ever get rid of the Fiesta, they would certainly put another car in it's place or they would leave a huge hole in the market
StalePhish Ford announced that the next generation Fiesta is unlikely to come to the US due to low demand for subcompact cars and high demand for crossovers. Gas prices have been relatively low and everyone is buying SUVs. Replacement for the Fiesta will likely come in the form of the Ford Ecosport crossover.
prius
U guys are the best, question what do you think about the front strut bar for an fwd vehicle, good or no good?? Thxx
Strut bars are good to help keep the unibody from flexing... Take a look at a car that's been raced or rallied for a while and you'll see stress cracks around the strut towers, separation at the spot-welded seams, we used to see cracks at the base of the A-pillars... A strut bar isn't as good as a roll cage tied into the suspension mounting points, but it's a lot better than nothing.
what kind of suspention do you guys use?
This is an old video, but M-sport seems to be the source for most build parts, so that is likely the answer, but is the cone shaped front mount Rally intake filter assembly available for sale to the general public as we attempt to build our own RallyX cars? If so, where? Not on theM-sport parts page that I have found. If anyone knows, I would appreciate a point in the right direction. Thanks
whats the best ecu, car set up and tuning for each car? based on the data and experience the company had so that for example i’d just want to set up my car, ill just go to you. do you offer packages for specific set up budget wise, for example stage 1 or stage 2. thank you very much your response will be much appreciated.
Haltech
Do u have kevlar underprotection for an 04 Sti by chance? I'd be interested lol
Btw, don't use drilled rotors for track racing either. Slotted is so much better in terms of even clearing of brake dust and gas and for even load distribution on the rotors.
Actually the best is solid rotors because you don't want to sacrifice surface area.
Do you have a different car setup for a lesser class race , which would be easier for your wallet . Thanks you for the videos they have been well worth watching. JL Eastern. Va.
Can you convert a fiesta to 4wd? How much would it cost?
It can be done, but it takes a lot of chassis fabrication and customized parts. The only 4WD Fiesta we have is a M-Sport Fiesta R5 rally car and that's a six figure car. It could be done a lot cheaper with stock parts if it's not for rally racing, maybe some European or other international Ford parts and just do enough chassis prep to make them fit, but we haven't done it and it would take a lot of experimentation and fab work.
Thanks for the reply! I love your channel and have seen almost every video. I hope I can one day come to the school. You guys have by far the best informational rally channel on the internet. Keep up the good work. :)
OMG! I took so many ideas from here to apply in my rally car!!! thanks!
how do you buy the hub 5 lug
Do you manufacture parts for the fiesta? If not can you provide a list of companies you prefer?
We mostly used M-Sport and they are still the #1 source to go to for rally parts, but only if you're in Europe or somewhere with the newest gen Fiesta. We didn't get the new Fiesta here in the states, and M-Sport stopped producing parts for the older models, so we're out of luck.