Book Chat: "Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race"
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
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My second favourite thing about this channel is how many female writers/academics you promote. My first favourite thing is that you do it and don't feel the need to tell us they're "female writers/etc". You treat women as completely equal and I absolutely adore it.
This is what a true ally looks like.
Elle Cook Olly’s an Ally
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YES!! I always feel uncomfortable when people have to point it out. I guess they have good intentions, but it's kinda weird. I think not bringing it attention is way better.
He literally explicitly brings attention to it by saying these are "five women of color"...
@@10z20 yeah, these people are delusional and think your color is an important part of any person's message's value. ffs
I love your videos... the only problem is that every time I watch one my reading list jumps in size.
It skips over WW2 entirely and then doesn't call out the antisemitism during the interview? I'm *very* suspicious
Yes, that's a funny combination...
Could you do an episode on antisemitism specifically? You often go in depth about other anti racist philosophies, and neo Nazis/white nationalists generally, but it would be great to see an overview of the history of antisemitism and maybe some book recommendations about anti-antisemitism?
lyadmilo yes we need this
If you're specifically interested in white nationalism you shou check out Contrapoints, if you don't already follow them.
I love Natalie! Her videos on racism and anti-semitic dog whistles were fantastic, but I just kind of want a pure academic Olly style take too.
I would also be interested in a video on this topic.
lyadmilo sartre paul sartres has a book on antisemitism and jews
People already crying about the title in the comments lol
Dead Jackal Is the book's argument NOT in fact about "Why I'm not talking to whites about race"? Is it really just a dumb click bait title meant to inflame passion?
Tigers Speaks! Maybe read it?
Dead Jackal , there's no one crying over this 💩!❗❕
Reach much?❓?😂😂
Do you always overreact❔?!
"Why I'm no longer talking to black people about race"
Whoa why are people mad at the title lmfao maybe READ DA BOOK? 😂😂😂
@@anymoose You seem offended. Maybe you should go back to your safe space in Breitbart or Stormfront or wherever. XD
I'm sure you could write a letter to the author or publisher about the unchallenged far-right views and dog whistles, some of which it might not have occurred to them to explicitly question. Seems like it would be in their interest to take your complaint seriously in case there will be a second edition.
I don’t know where you are but here in the us
Lots of right wing thing are being challenged
But there challenging the wrong things
And nobody touches the left
I actually picked up this book yesterday, so thank you for the warnings. Can I also just remark that the cover is one of the most cleverly designed ones I've ever seen.
What's on the cover?
adtc I'm not 100% certain but it seems to me that it's designed like the 1984 cover so that the white people bit is raised text but the colour is the same as the background
Thank you for calling out the lack of challenge against Antisemitism. It's been a real challenge over the last few years (especially the last few weeks/months) with Antisemitism, Jews place in left wing politics, all that stuff. When you mentioned that WWII is completely glossed over in this book I physically cringed and braced myself for extra bs and inevitably came.
It's something I've been thinking about a lot, as a Jew, my placement among the racial divides in society. In the end I'm white when it's convenient and a minority POC when it's convenient.
If you do an (expanded) episode on Antisemitism, the fluidity of racial divides, any of that stuff, I would love to talk with you and give you some of my experiences/perspective on the subject if you need more research/insight. I'm not an academic on this sort of stuff, but it's definitely something I've been thinking about pretty much all my life.
Also, this all ties in to a question I've been having for a while regarding intersectionality and whiteness, mainly that we can all agree that there isn't such a thing as a white "race" that white supremacists call for. Most of the time its an amalgamation of greek, roman, and other European cultures mushed together, so say nothing of how Irish and Italian people were once not considered white. And yet, much of the language surrounding intersectionality and social justice revolves around "whiteness" as if it were a more concrete race like "Black" and "Asian". Race is a societal construct, sure, and its useful to use these sorts of categories to be able to point out patterns and types of oppression to these arbitrary constructs, but its a bit odd especially when it comes to (surprised) us Jews who are simultaneously white, colonial capitalists and degenerate neo-Marxist scum.
Actually whites and other races, genetically speaking cluster extremely well with people of the same race in the US. Also, Italians and Irish were allowed to enter the us at a time when America had a whites only immigration policy. Sounds like a bit more research is warranted on your end
I was unaware that Sephardi, Mizrahi, and POC Jews are white.
Jumplion he means Ashkenazi Jew, who are the most visible Jewish group in academia and in society generally, but you probably knew that.
There was no mention of Ashkenazi Jew, and the grouping/assumption of Jew = Ashkenazi is part of the problem.
Jumplion must I explain that when people talk about ‘Jews’ in the West they are talking about the Ashkenazi
Can we get a bookshelf tour?! I bet you've got a good variety of stuff in there!
Hey Olly, on the off chance that you're unaware of and no one else has already recommended it, Utopia For Realists by Rutger Bregman is a fantastic book about Universal Basic Income.
No "The New Jim Crow"? I know it's more focused on prison reform but it takes on rascism and is very good IMO.
Haven't read it yet but heard great things!
I have read that one. Highly recommend it!!
Philosophy Tube YOOOOOOOOOOOOO read it it's so good!
Another good one to read is "An Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States" by Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz. It's not about black people but it's very important.
Inb4 people complaining about the title.
Too late...
It's just a bad title, tbh. Olly did not clarify much about the book's content, so going only by the title I feel no desire to read it at all.
"Getting the whites/libs triggered" is not good propaganda. This pseudo-confrontational tone only alienates potential allies and limits the audience to people who are already on board.
*_"you are not an ally nor did you even have the potential to be one."_*
You don't have the ability to define other people.
@Sarah Min People can and do change. I'm not saying you have to be kind and diplomatic to every bigot you meet, and it's true that many never will change their opinions, but others can be won over through persistent exposure to different ideas.
@@Leo-pw3kf I think it's provocative. This type of title garners a lot of attention. Think about how many people clicked this video just because they were mad at the title.
The truth is that providing shock value is a necessary evil for self-promotion. The book doesn't say anything racist (or so I believe).
I’d like to say thank you for slowly convincing me to double major in politics and philosophy over the years of eye-opening videos.
Are you ever planning on doing a video on Environmental Ethics? I just finished a class on it and I’d love to hear what you think!
“British slander laws are quite strict.”
BNP were very dangerous in late 80s early 90s and its worth noting that physical confrontation and constant harassment of their meetings stopped them . They are to blame for murder of Stephen Lawrence .
Hi Olly! You said in the video the you enjoy books about race that have a historical perspective so I think you will enjoy this one, It is called Black Feminist Archaeology by Whitney Battle-Baptiste. It's more geared towards archaeologists as the title points out but it gives a really interesting insight on how standard historical discourse is racist and in what ways can we change it. Another book that I'd like to recommend is The Invention of Africa. Gnosis, Philosophy, and the Order of Knowledge by Valentin-Yves Mudimbe, it's quite complicated, in my opinion, but it's a nice analysis of philosophy and epistemology through the lenses of an African philosopher who wants to produce a new order of knowledge. If you read them, I hope you like them.
I'm curious since I don't hear about this much. Could you point out in what ways current historical discourse is still racist? I can easily understand how it was several decades ago (when assumptions about 'tribal' peoples and 'civilisation' informed most discussions about anything outside of ancient Greece/Rome and post-renaissance Europe, especially when using those examples as comparative baselines for everything else. Like when in the 1800's they assumed the Benin bronzes were secretly renaissance Italian but these days historians seem pretty happy to celebrate them as highly technically and aesthetically impressive examples of West African culture) but at least from what I tend to see here in the UK is normally pretty good with discussing a wide range of historical events, periods, places and perspectives without making weird or insulting generalisations or assumptions (I highlight the normally though. I've seen some weird stuff get onto tv or made into documentaries before). So I'm pretty keen to hear about the state of things if you've got the time, since I haven't exactly heard much about this
Most of what she points out in the book comes down to what we call a historical fact and what are the sources that we use to interpret the materiality of the past. One of the examples that she gives is that when archaeologists go to analyse archaeological sites of enslave black people in the US most of the scholars and the workforce is composed of white people who look at the site from a distance and therefore need written sources to try and understand how alien the experience of those enslaved is to them. She points that since the tradition of the black people who lived on those sites in the past was mostly based on conversation and storytelling instead of writing. So when white archaeologists uses written sources to interpret the material remais of black people with an oral tradition they are using the point of view of white people who wrote in the past about those black people (who were not seen as people). She thinks that that use of os "white sources" produce a historical discourse that alienates black people of the present from their past and therefore is quite racist. That's just one example but the book is full of her personal experiencies of racism in archaeology and historical discourse in general.
I want to see a video about your thoughts on Jordan Peterson as a public figure in the political sphere. I’m sure many people here would also enjoy that.
I come from the future to report that your wish has been granted.
Rutger Bregman's "Utopia for Realists [...]" talks about Universal Basic Income extensively (and about shorter workweeks).
Just because nobody's said it yet, I really dig the funky background music you had throughout this one.
Hey Olly, have you read much Angela Davis? I've watched several of her talks and they were fantastic, so I was wondering if her written work would be a good place for me to expand my knowledge of radical leftist thought.
>inb4 complaining that you didn't make the video I wanted you to make
The title of this book makes me uncomfortable. Either I'm meant to take it at face value, in which case I'm not invited to the conversation, or there's deeper context which demands further explanation. I was really hoping to find said explanation here, because I cannot in good conscience put this book on my already-too-long "to-read" list without it.
Interesting. Yeah, she seems to be specifically aiming this book towards white people so why the title? If she wanted to aim it towards poc, fair enough, but the title really doesn't make any sense at all. She risks alienating people who are genuinely interested and only appealing to the self hating types. Self hatred is seldom constructive anyway tbh. Being paralysed by guilt or shame often gets in the wau of looking towards genuine change and progress.
Rashmika Likes Books Because the white people she’s marketing her product to (and she is marketing a product) absolutely LOVE that kind of thing.
I had a laugh at "why didnt you write the book I wanted you to write" :-)
as idea, perhaps you should write that book. (not nessisarily to publish)
You’ve got to watch “Stamped from the Beginning” by Ibram X Kendi. It’s the history of racist philosophy, anti racist philosophy, and “assimilation” (“the white moderate”) philosophy. From the 1400’s to present day
Wow! I can't believe I haven't come across your channel before. Great review.
I think one of the reasons you didn't see Nick Griffin get challenged on his antisemitism in a book that is predominantly about anti-racist philosophy as it pertains most specifically to the Black/White relationship as told from the perspective of a black woman is because Jews are often times perceived as just another group of whites. The fact remains that the Jewish history of oppression is almost wholly orthogonal to the history of black oppression, and is not at the center of intersectional social justice movements in the West at this time. I can't help but feel like this oversight is going to come back and bite us later, but for now it makes sense to focus on groups whose history of oppression has gone unaddressed, or at least not fully addressed. Cheers.
but for now it makes sense to focus on groups whose history of oppression has gone unaddressed, or at least not fully addressed
honest question, do you believe the history of jewish oppression has been adressed in europe?
Any focus away from black oppression is ultimately harmful to stopping anti-black racism. A white saying "No, include me into the conversation!" is harmful, and it only makes sense that a Jew trying to do the same is harmful. My recommendation is that since you're Jewish, pass off as white, and even have a higher average income than whites in America, is to not implant yourself into these conversations. All you're doing is appropriating anti-racism. My ancestry is Irish, so my ancestors had a long history of oppression, especially since my ancestry moved to the US much later than most Irish. But, that doesn't mean I'm going to weigh my history of oppression against POC, that's insanely fucking disgusting behavior and you should be ashamed for doing that.
Lorem Ipsum the way anti semitism functions doesn't work like that though, also there are still many Jews living in poverty and to make out like their wealth is connected to their ethnicity and religion as opposed to class privilege, is kind of how anti semitism works. You're not Jewish, your experience is not the same. Plus I've seen many discussions on anti semitism which acknowledge that white passing Jews are given a sort of conditional privilege which, while not the same as white privilege, means it's important to connect this to people of colour and the oppression they face. It's not "butting in" because the two experiences are very much linked in the perspective of the far right.
Well, there exists rich blacks, so POC aren't oppressed. That's your argument, basically. Less than 10% of black households make $100,000+ a year or more, yet a little under 45% of Jewish households make $100,000+ a year or more. Furthermore, to take your argument to even more extremes, you'd be arguing that whites actually aren't at all bad because many of us are living in poverty.
Most people consider Jews to be white, therefore they have white privilege. It's truly disgusting how much you're willing to bend your social justice principles in order to deny this. I'm not going to let Jews speak for POC, especially when it's about privilege. Definitely not if white people cannot.
what do you mean by "orthogonal"?
I'm not gonna say this book is doing this, but a lot of "anti-racist authors" can lean in HARD on antisemitism, so the exclusion of the holocaust and the lack of challenge to a denier raises some particular red flags
Kimberlé Crenshaw, Angela Davis, Audre Lorde, & Bell Hooks all have some great books on Intersectionality and Black Feminism.
tremendously loved this book, im from a small eastern eu country and learned a lot from it... great vid, thanks for the recommendations!
I really enjoy your book recommendation. You introduce the general argument of the books while giving suitable amount of specifics.
Why didn't you talk about the book's argument? Is this just a general "give it a look" endorsement?
Which one?
Any of them? I suppose I expected more from a "book chat" on a widely celebrated item than a list of topics and a blanket recommendation. But perhaps that's enough for a book that intends to be introductory -- i.e., that repeats in a clear and catchy style a central set of ideas/perspectives within a field (in this case, anti-racism). Those books are always welcome.
Again, there's nothing wrong with recommendations or a list of a book's topics; I just wanted more PT-style "chat." (Or to put it another way, I was hoping for the review I wish you had written as opposed to the one you did write. It's a hard pitfall to avoid.)
Yeah, I'd also appreciate a bit of an overview of what topics the book covers
Olly pretty much said so. It's an into level book on racism written in an accessible style. I do not know why you await a long indepth discussion of every single topic in a voluntary book ad about a package deal book.
Why didn't you cite such source or what that Griffin guy said? It's really weird hearing you saying how it bugged you and so on, when we have no idea what it actually is, other than antisemitic dog whistles, (which, tbh are enough to bug anyone who's not antisemitic himself, in my opinion) but I'd love to know your reasons for not citing that source or saying what he actually said.
I didn't want to give it a platform without also taking the time to explicitly debunk it and explain why it was bad, which would have added a whole load of unnecessary stuff to this video and made it unfocused
Philosophy Tube yeah but you could still have given a source even in the description so we knew what you were referring to without us now having to get a copy of the book out of sheer curiosity. I enjoyed reading There Ain't No Black on the Union Jack which goes into all the politics behind British racism and British culture. That could have been a shout out because it's accessible for a lot of people.
@mofomarnie Read his comment again. Not giving a platform was his goal, by leaving it out beyond a mention that the eventual readers should check it and be careful when interacting with it is exactly the right thing to do in this case.
I've only just come across this channel and I really like it so far. Sorry if you get this question a lot, but what part of the UK is your accent from? I moved from the US to the UK a few years ago and your accent sounds kind of like a generic posh accent to me, but not the snooty posh of the queen... if that makes sense lol I hope I haven't accidentally offended you. I find it really interesting how many different accents there are in such a small place :)
I know you posted this a while back, but if anyone else was wondering, it sounds to me like an accent from the Home Counties or other parts of South England. These areas are generally more affluent and talk in the voice I would normally call a "BBC Accent". As you say, it's usually more of an indicator of class than area though which is a real shame that it is considered more "intelligent" because it excludes so many other intelligent, erudite people from different backgrounds; and is in all-honesty yet another class barrier. Even the fact it's often referred to as a "BBC Accent" shows you just how little socioeconomic diversity there is in the media. It's pleasing to the ear, but so are many other accents which I wish we could hear more in academic circles! But all that aside, hope you're enjoying your new life here, Crazy WoolLady!
I'm honestly tired of how western-centered these types of discussions are, especially online. I sometimes feel stuck between two worlds, with some POCs telling me I'm automatically racist and privileged for being white despite being from a poor "2nd world" Eastern European country, and far-righters telling me I'm a "useless leech" for being a foreign student or that "slavs aren't even white".
I'm not saying people aren't facing any real issues, but in their struggle they often become ignorant of others' struggles.
I feel like egalitarianism is the way to go and it has worked out fine for me so far.
Vesko Hristov I've been called a racist by neo liberals,and I'm a poc. And on the far right I'm seen as a job stealing Mexican and to build walls... Wow progression is good..
Myrse Valentine listen I know this may sound like a cliche but why don't you change that. The reason why it is Western Center is because the people that are mostly speaking about the issue or westerners. Prejudice in Injustice live in every single country in this world but every single country does necessarily you have a platform or the ability to speak. If you feel strongly about this then don't get tired starting a conversation. Ultimately, there's room for everyone to talk about their perspective and Enlighten everyone to their circumstance but what I was suggesting is not to view it as a negative thing.
The problem is you have no control over how you present. If you live in a western developed nation and you present as white, you will automatically benefit from white privilege. I don't think anybody is saying this is your fault, it is just something to be aware of. Nobody is going to know you are from a so called 2nd world poor country simply by looking at you. But as a black person, the connotation of poverty, crime and all manner of aweful things is embedded in your skin before you have even opened your mouth. There are even some POC's who pass for white and spend their lives benefiting from white privilege. I have an aunt who has a black African father and a white mother and she looks like an average white woman, therefore the kind of life experience she had was very different from my own.
Angie Speaks well said, Angie. Saying someone has privilege is not an accusation, it is merely an observation of how others perceive you and treat you differently and I think a proper understanding of that concept is a good starting point for white people to recognize inequality when it happens in front of us. I think it can be hard to have nuanced conversations about this topic on twitter.
I don't know about the "White Privilege" because there is now law that says what white and not white people can do. What people perceive as white privilege is I think the ignorance about the qualities of other ethnic groups (with different amount of melanin), which are more or less the same as of white people. I'm an Eastern European , and I can say that if there is this supposed white privilege I might somehow enjoy it until I show my ID, then you see a little bit of reserve... Other people are not lucky because after they open their mouth, you know where does she/he comes from...
Does the author clarify the concept of whiteness? Or is that something we have to infer as the concept accepted in British/American society? I say this because there are different concepts of whiteness depending on the culture.
She speaks more about the concept of "Whiteness" from the black perspective. Black people constantly have to view themselves through the white gaze so it is always funny to see the backlash when white people are made to view "whiteness" through the gaze of the other.
You mean the completely imagined justification of racism towards white people? No, they don't clarify, as you'd expect with regressive postmodern types, they're not capable of defining any of their core concepts because they don't exist, and defining them would make it easier to defeat in arguments.
oBLACKIECHANoo >racism towards white people
L o r d
we don't live in an equal society, get out of your fantasy bubble please, it's embarrassing!!
Lewis Nazis on suicide watch
you can read about food and think about food but you wont know about a particular dish until you prepare, smell and taste it. Then you got to see how you feel while it digests.
Thanks, Ollie. This is a brilliant book review. I hope lots of people see this.
me, about kingdom hearts III: "Why didn't you write the book I wanted you to write???????????????????????????"
Another book that you could read if you want to inspect how migrant are currently being treated at the European border is a book called 'Violent Borders' by Reece Jones. Does a good job in introducing you to the consequences of the attitude a lot of Europe is taking recently towards the issues faced in the Middle East and Africa.
all those ideas are always based on the premise that europe OWES anything to ANYONE
we didnt steal anything from you, you could've built your own culture that literally invented industrialism. But you didnt, and europe got ahead. Thats the end of the story.
I'm curious to hear your thoughts, Olly, on Richard Rorty's "Achieving our Country". It's a short text and quite straightforward. As a U.S. citizen, I found it rather insightful, personally, especially in regard to communitarian ethics and the pitfalls of communication in polarized times. Maybe a dose of historically anchored pragmatism could speak to some of the recurring conflicts within the parts of current antagonistic paradigm?
*certain parts*
The Griffin interview really concerned me too, and it should be said that the 2018 edition still doesn't address the problems with it :/
D e e b l y g o n z e r n i n g
Hello, do you have any video talking about collectivism and individualism? If not, could you make one? Thank you very much.
Have you ever read Beating The Fascists by Sean Birchall? It gives a detailed history of Anti-Fascist Action in the UK Post-WWII up to the 90's. It does focus on AntiFA coming out of Football Hooliganism culture so it does kind of revel in the street fighting aspects of it.
Lol at people already complaining about the book title
The people who couldn't handle the title of the book probably couldn't handle the content in it anyways.
Let me as a "white-Arabian" (German-Syrian) person put it like this. Being put off by the title isn't inherently racist because of the following reasons:
1) Context matters. If a white person isn't aware of the book's context, it is perfectly reasonable that they aren't going to read a book, whose title demonizes them.
2) Why should we promote a clickbait title like that? If I understand the synopsis of the book's content properly, the title and the content don't fit together. That makes the author look dishonest or deceiving, regardless of her intentions.
3) Why should I or anyone else support a double standard? If she or anyone else had published a book with the title "Why I no longer talk to [insert minority here] about race", a government institution would have pulled it from the shelves immediately.
I’m just gonna point out how many racist white people are going to be like “great! Don’t talk to me about race anymore! That sounds fantastic!”
AH M that’s just a strawman.
AH M I said racists will be happy to not talk about race, not that not wanting to talk about race is what makes them racist. But your offense by it tells me you’re probably a racist
Would you make a video about some short stories, like The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas?
I'm so happy with how I was born and raised in Eastern Europe. I literally don't know what is racism and feminism. We have some biological sex discrimination around nowadays, but my parents were well-developed soviet citizens. That is my father worked full-time, my mother worked full-time and they were able to more or less equally fulfill themselves in professional career and hobbies never facing any discrimination. Like technocratic approach dominated over everything else during their lives. Same surprisingly applies to my grandparents. My grandmother held a leading position equivalent to current C-level job 50+ years ago. And I can say all the same about my wife's family. Now the situation is much worse. We are both Masters of Science, but my wife have to spend lots of time with kids due to relatively bad social support (bad schools and kindergarten, healthcare etc. results in extra time costs for kids and their logistics). My wife's care about our kids became her full-time job and I do all the same during weekends. So either my wife or myself can't do career and can't spent that much time on hobbies my parents did. Eventually, I believe, we are going to end up in patriarchal society which looks f*cking ridiculous taking into account our parents' histories. Kind of degradation. As for racism. I believe this is mostly a social construct for slavery / colonialism justification. Completely alien thing for me and for people around me.
There's a decent intelligence square US debate on universal basic income. My own view, which is informed but far from expert, is that it is a really attractive idea that I think makes a lot of sense, but there isn't enough data to be sure. I'm glad some smaller countries are exploring it and I hope those experiments work well and it eventually makes its way around the world. But I'm not holding my breath on it.
i;'ve been meaning to check that out. i remember the blog post, it was quite good
Who performed that interview you're talking about? Dave Rubin?
Sir I wish you went more in-depth with the book cause even now I have no idea what’s in it
If your going to throw the line
Put something one it to catch some fish
I know this video is old now, but I'm re-watching. Do you have any reconsiderations for resources on anti-semitism to go alongside the book?
That cover design is so clever O.O
I loved this book so much. ❤️❤️
Might be good to also plug Robin DiAngelo's "White Fragility", which gives a pretty good insight into the heart of Eddo-Lodges surface observations from outside of the British perspective.
I love videos like this I wish there were more
Can you recommend books on indian equality and prejudice within internal cultural ethnicity. Thanks. Great review.
The economic system is a huge root to the problem. The elimination of BS jobs and rentierism will change social mobility pretty quickly.
You're saying British slander laws are quite strict...but RUclips is an American company, isn't it? Don't US laws apply to youtube??
Might this be an interesting avenue into the philosophy of spheres of law, juristiction, etc?
He resides in the UK, as a result UK laws apply to him. Any revenue he makes from RUclips, for example, is taxed by the UK instead.
I will never understand how Olly can read a book like this without being defensive. I hate that I'm white and I live within a system of white privilage, and this title makes my fears that no matter what I do I'm just another racist shoot right up.
Speaking of things you don't hear about. I only just found out that the Chernobyl Disaster in 1986 could have been a whole lot worse than it was if certain action wasn't taken in time. As it turns out. After the initial explosion. There was just hours to get rid of all the water that had accumiliated in the basement under the molten reactor that was melting through the floor above. If the molten reactor material had made contact with the water there would have been a 3 to 5 Megaton blast - over a hundred times more powerful than Hiroshima. I can't quite believe it. It's official information - even the BBC said the same ("the whole site would have been vapourized in the blast"). As it would have been a ground blast rather than an air blast (like from a nulcear weapon) the nuclear fallout would have been absolutely terrible - I think potentially the whole of Europe and equivelant surrounding area east and south would had to have been evacuated. Why didn't anyone tell me!? ffs
*Cough* support your local bookstore *cough cough*
Does anyone know where to find postal details so I can send Olly a letter? I might be a bit blind and can't find them.
Why do you keep apologizing for giving fair criticism?
He got so used to apologizing for his skin color, he transferred it into his book reviews.
I think he's just british
Nick Griffin interview wasn't great. Made him sound kind of reasonable. Was completely oblivious to the antisemitic dog whistles, not sure where they are.
From your description of the book, it seems that the book is ironically more useful for white people than for POC. Probably because it's less likely that a book for POC would get mainstream popularity and be talked about on this channel.
gamegyro56 I believe it’s intended to inform white people why she will not engage them in their questioning of racism. If I dedicated all of my content (writing, YT videos, speeches) to speaking on racism and race then I would hope that the person who is asking is inquiring would have familiarized themselves with my work rather than expect me to rehash my countless hours of work in a single conversation with one person. I haven’t read the book though so I could be wrong.
gamegyro56 I think it's purposefully made that way. If you look at the cover, it's an all white cover, and the "to white people" is also in white so it looks, on first inspection, like "why I'm no longer talking about race". A title more likely to rope in a white audience.
I agree, most things are filtered through the white gaze including our own narratives. I'm not opposed to POC's talking to white people about racism, but I feel that onous should generally fall on other white people. From what I gather, most POC's do not have the time, space, or the energy to shake white people out of their pathology. And I think that's ok. We have bigger things to focous on
6:06 who are people he mentioned Sean or Hbomb?
Shaun and Hbomberguy are both good RUclipsr here on RUclips dot com :) They spend at least some of their time trying to catch people before they get radicalised into far-right spaces
Gonna read some of these books, thanks for recommends.
Just came across your channel due to it appearing in my recommendations, and I must say that I'm impressed. Your book chat was very interesting, and quite telling. Your review(?) was balanced and you made it clear you enjoyed the book despite its flaws. But it's those flaws that I find troubling.
Reni Eddo-Lodge obviously wanted to keep the focus of her book on "white" rather than anything else, so from that perspective I get it. However, as a result of delving into other territories, she opened up the discussion beyond the book title. This expansion required the author to be more complete. This makes her omissions more glaring, and makes her and the book less credible.
It's simply impossible to discuss modern history without discussing World War II. Since black soldiers faced heavy discrimination, it makes it even more ridiculous to ignore. It's like discussing Abraham Lincoln without referencing the Emancipation Proclamation. Of course, her decision to do this becomes more apparent when combined with giving free reign to an extremist politician.
Nick Griffin has the right to speak freely, and Eddo-Lodge has the same right to challenge or not challenge a given person, but that's also irrelevant. What IS relevant, is that despite the two seemingly having nothing in common, when you look just a bit deeper, it's obvious that they do share at least one thing. That's a shame, she squandered an opportunity to keep an important discussion focused squarely on what she wanted. If there's any doubt of this, one has to read no further than the comments section on this very thread. Her message may not be diluted for everyone, but for me (and others, obviously), it changes it dramatically.
Is there such a thing as a "blatant dogwhistle"? Seems like an oxymoron.
As much as you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, this one feels like it's trying to make you do just that.
If it is just like it's title, then I probably wouldn't read it anyway, but would be tempted just to look at a different perspective. If it isn't anything like the title, then I would definitely avoid it for the same reason I would avoid clickbait headlines.
I might have to consider reading this now, I'd been assuming it was not meant for me as a white person.
The reason for skipping ww2 might be the whole level worse the Americans treated their black military people. It would be quite hard to frame stories about how badly treated you are, when your oppressors start protecting you from their own allies
I learned nothing about the book from this. -1.
Hey I think Brit(ish) by afua hirsch is a better book dealing with the same content.
For those interested in a good anti-semetic primer on alt-right and white nationalists, their sources, and their animus towards the Jews I highly suggest RUclipsr "The Moa" who has a great two part essay on the subject.
Goobernational Why do you accept white privilege but not Jewish privilege?
Who said I don't? The Jews currently massacring babies and press in Palestine certainly have privilege. That is the thing with privilege - it is transient and depends on the situation. When dealing with police in the US and Canada white people have privilege over black people. When dealing with job discrimination and violence, black cis men have privilege over white trans women.
That said, your statement has nothing to do with mine so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Who are hbomb and sean/shawn/...? YT channel links please?
Sai hbomberguy and Shaun. Lefty youtubers.
Thanks. :)
She does not challenge Griffin, because it's not her job. She wanted to show you both sides and it's your job to make up your mind and choose sides. It is your responsibility to read everything carefully and not take everything as if it was true, and it's not her responisiblity to serve you everything on a plate. You read philosophical books yet you don't want to actually seriously think about what you read?
If that's the case then it's very much at odds with the rest of the book. And in any case the book doesn't present both sides of what Griffin says because the anti-Semitic dogwhistles are never addressed.
Well, I haven't read the book so it was an educated guess at best, but I think, just as why she skipped the WW2 era, it is just something so present in our lives that maybe she didn't feel the need to address it? Like she was saying: Thousands of people have already said this, what do I have to add?
I remember from my own history lessons, when we heard the number of murdered jews in the holocaust over and over again it had a mindnumbing effect on the students rather than making them more interested about the subject. And I feel it's the thing with quite a lot of topics that we're used to hear day in day out.
What was griffins source? Did you check it?
You should really not read these comments.
like he is white right so engaging in discourse with his discourse, is , in fact, talking to him about race.
you should look at Inventing the Future: Postcapitalism and a World Without Work by Nick Srnicek and Alex Williams
English as a language should come over the word "race" all over. The word entaild so many horrible implications, so why using it at all? Why not using ethnic/ethnicity?
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Um... No it's not.
Hah, oh my gosh thank you for catching this! My bad. I have a word document where I keep the template for my video descriptions and I must have just forgotten to edit this one from the template!
What annoys me about people like Philosophy Tube is not that I think he's necessarily "wrong", I really don't have sufficient motivation to gest into stuff like the philosophy of racial issues to the point where I'd be equipped to argue for or against him on the level he's at. What annoys me is how strangely out of touch he and so many left-leaning/socially progressive tend to sound. I think that to most people, even just a title like "Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race" is likely to be perceived as blatantly and unjustifiably racially prejudiced and condescending. I don't think most people are going to be charitably disposed to what you're saying if it seems to challenge them, it creates a temptation to jump at any opportunity to dismiss you if one hasn't already. Which is why I don't think the way PT talks about this kind of stuff is very helpful, the philosophical style and even just terms like "whiteness" is likely to sound pretentious at best, like gibberish if you're lucky, and offensive at worst.
I personally believe that extremely important factors when it comes to creating understanding and discourse is to make your opponent feel respected, safe, and understood. Draw them in. Entertain them. Establish common ground. Find ways in which you can meet them, make them feel like there's understanding. Consider always that humans are stubborn, lazy and petty, and will dismiss people who express opinions that are challenging or perceived as being from the out-group if you give them a chance. Demonstrate that you understand them, that you get it, I think they're more likely to consider your perspective if they feel you understand theirs. Make sure you acknowledge the things about your own perspective that others are turned off by, adress not only the fundamental disagreement, but the petty things, like the buzzwords, the in-group terms, all the things that can alienate other people and make you sound obscure and pretentious.
The only left-leaning person I've come across(granted, that isn't actually saying that much) who seems to have an appreciation for these kinds of tactics is ContraPoints, but she's not perfect at it, and I think her drift towards stronger left/progressive stances means she's more likely to alienate people that she used to be.
Somewhat counter-intuitively, I think that even the extreme ends of ideologies can often benefit more from moderate allies than die-hard puritans, because people who are more accessible serve as a better ideological gateway to draw people into the ideology, some of whom will eventually reach even the fringes. I'd think the left would have figured this out better, considering they're quick to spot the harm done by crypto-fascists or those who unwittingly spread talking-points that provide the ground-work for fascist recruitment.
PT should react to your comment somehow. You nailed my mixed feelings. I got the feeling that he didn't talk about many elephants in the room. What is the book about? About individual, structural racism or only stories related to racism? Who is the author? How is the title meant? (I'm pretty sure that its just to be controversial)
Do we need to accept the concept of whiteness to agree to the book? Is there black ignorance too besides to white ignorance or isn't it, because it follows the logic behind "Black people can't be racist". I would have love to know from this book chat.
Thank you for your first two paragraphs. Is the third one only explaining the content of the book or did you try to explain it to me with your own terms?
Technocracy I don't know what kind of history you got at school but that was never my experience in Scotland. I learnt social history which isn't the same as rambling off the great achievements across time. It was based on how the individual citizens at the time were effected by important moments in time. It was bleak, but it was real, as was modern studies and even in RME. And the same went for when I went to study sociology at university where we were taught by lecturers of all creeds and ethnicities. The term 'race' was a subject within itself and has its own philosophical debates.
So I'm presuming that the Scottish education system is more in touch with societal issues with people of all backgrounds than elsewhere?
I don't think he means his videos to be activism, and I don't think he's attempting to engage with anyone except his audience and people who might want to join his audience. Note the word 'audience' not 'movement'. He's making a youtube channel not Contributing To The Discourse, and that's his right.
"I'm not interested in the content of your views, just your tone" There's no reason to react to this really.
Here is a suggestion: why don't you critique the racists that you know or "don't know", hate groups, etc. That would get the ball rolling a lot faster than anything we could do as victims of racism. Instead you spent a huge chunk about the topic you wished she could have done better on. That's why smart people would not engage and should not. It's masturbate with no payoff
What is an anti-semitic dogwhistle?
Antisemitism disguised in harmless words so only those in the know recognize it. Whenever you hear, giving an extreme example here, someone like Alex Jones yell about the evil "Globalists" what he's parroting or deliberately doing is using a dogwhistle meant as "the Jewish Cabal". Which, to be clear, does not exist.
Other example used in the Soviet Union, "rootless cosmopolitanism." Meant "They are Jewish."
Please do a video about racial eliminativism
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You should do something on Universal Basic Income
Look at the complete works of shakespeare in the background as if it would never come up again.
great!
The history side in the book provides a really poor argument - Really eager to point of the British empire but yet says nothing about say the ottoman empire which started slavery from Africa way before European powers and kept it going well after the British made it illegal.
No need of a response, challenge to the speech of nick griffing as all the book is a critics of it. And the introduction of the chapter state clearcly that the griffin's view is madnedss.
Maybe there is nothing about the ww2 because a part of history more or even well known and/or because during ww2 the acts of black folks was not so different from the whites (all against the nazi). Anyway it didn't bother me as i have'nt notice it because the history part is on what we don't know about fight against racism in uk by english black people
Why I don't need to talk about races...by Usain Bolt, pleeease
I just found this in my related video sidebar. I don't think it turned up in my sub box, just fyi
This has to be one of the most ironic videos ever.
Oh! He's saying "source!"
How are we meant to fix racial tensions when white people aren't allowed to take part in the conversation? How are we meant to heal society when the willingness for dialogue is completely ignored? With a title like that, I don't think this book will be helping to ease racial tension in the UK at all.
Citzby white People always want shit easy for them lol “ease tensions” so yall can talk about race more easily? That aren’t going to solve anything. Watch the video, read the book and start educating yourself on problems you have very little knowledge of. White folks always want a conversation when they know nothing but act like the genius in the room.
John _"so yall can talk about race more easily? That aren’t going to solve anything."_
Yes, it is. Tensions go down when people don't feel they have to walk on eggshells.
White people don't want to talk about race either. They'll probably welcome this.
Citzby You are allowed to take part in the conversation. Don't let the authoritarian left tell you what you can and cannot discuss. We have free speech in this country (America at least) for a reason. It is, however, much more ideal that you have extensive knowledge in what you are speaking about so that you aren't shown up for ignorance.
The author literally wrote this book so she wouldn't have to take part in the same intro-level conversations over and over again, and nobody is preventing anybody from reading it.
read Racecraft by Barbara & Karen Fields