One thing not mentioned here (and in almost all other reviews) is that the backbone has a $50/year in app subscription in order to use the backbone app. Whereas the Kishi doesn’t make you subscribe in order to use the Nexus app. Also the Backbone locks other features behind the subscription, such as being able to connect it to an iPad or Mac. Because of the cash grab that backbone is trying to force you into, I’ll be buying the Kishi and will never buy a backbone. If you’re an early adopter of the Backbone you get a lifetime subscription to app, but if you are new they lock features behind a very high subscription fee.
so did you also tell everyone that you get a 1 year Subscription and also get stadia free for 3 months with free games also a free $10 Itunes card to buy anything there. oh not to mention being able to stream on your mac computer as the razer kishi has none sound like your a real fanboy. if your gonna down play a product you need to look at the product thats not giving you nothing or the option to pay but you look at a pay wall SMH. BTW razer will not have support for this app just like they did with the V1 which i send back my v2 do to lack of support for android as you cant play COD apex or other FPS games oh and you cant even play Genshin Impact with out using a 3rd part app which you have to pay for to play any of the games i just mention
I just received the Razer Kishi V2 after purchasing on an Amazon Black Friday sale. I like it so far. It does fit securely with a slim case on my iPhone 14 Pro Max for anyone wondering about that.
For the past 3 years I have used my Razer Kishi v1 and it’s been the best experience ever. Especially gives you a feeling that is like console gaming. The controls feel so comfortable! Even the controller. Now that my buttons are drifting finally - I decided to try the Backbone PlayStation Edition - worst experience ever. 3 weeks playing and the drift started in both joysticks. Time for my V2 upgrade.
I'm curious about this too. I just picked up the Backbone One and the biggest gripe I have with it is the fact this combo of 13 pro and leather case does not fit.
Got the backbone for Christmas last year. Just 3 weeks ago I tried to use it and it just stopped working out of nowhere. And the day before it was working perfectly fine. And the customer support is terrible and took days to respond to each email. And when they did respond the way the support tried to fix it was like. “Did you go to setting and try to fix it” and after I told them that it took on other 5 days to respond. I’m never buying a backbone ever again. And I love razor but I don’t know if I the same thing will happen to me again
I like the Backbone but it always disconnects then reconnects mid game it’s so frustrating. Backbone sent me a warranty replacement and it’s doing the same thing already lol. I’ll give this a try I had the first kishi and I liked it until the right side of the controller stopped working smh 🤦
I have both backbone and kishi v1 , and the kishi wins because the analog is bigger like the Xbox controller, the backbone analogs are like Nintendo switch and it’s hard to flick em comfortably with shooters and causes (cramps)
Can someone let me know how the Kishi holds up as far as reliability? Because ive bought my backbone well over 2 months now & the left side of the controller isn’t functioning properly. Any button I press either activates a screenshot or the broadcast button.. is anybody else experiencing this ?? Should i switch to the Kishi ??
The kishi lasted two years for me till the left stopped working but it is an easy repair since all you gotta do is reconnect the wires the attachs both sodes
@@bradador1 With games like apex legends mobile, Rainbow six siege mobile, The new division game and black dessert the future of actual games downloaded on the device is bright. Also some people dont have the internet speeds in there area to be able to stream these games to a playable standard so they go with these counterparts that are just as good.
I assume Most people generally use the game pass from Xbox and PlayStation not the base software that comes with the controller that would be silly and so limited.
I have a iPhone 12 Pro Max and everything is so close and small… from the analogs to the XYAB buttons… not to mention it makes my hands cramp bc of the size of it
Kishi seems to have much longer travel on triggers than Backbone has, which is a huge plus for racing games imo. Is there any option to use the controller for PC?
@@Daddyezee Dude, chill. You’re clearly the fanboy you accuse everyone of being. The absurd $50 subscription for Backbone must be going into your pocket.
@@EHokie ah I guess your the fanboy I just pointed out how he didn’t mention the benefits you get with the subscription and as your white knighting what he said clearly shows your a razer fanboy. And BTW the subscription only gives you the benefit of recording 1080p 60 using there cloud services for all your recordings that will not save to your device unless you import it there and use there controller support to use the backbone as a controller. That’s what your paying for. So guess Sony and Microsoft shouldn’t charge u either. Also forgot backbone has there own service that’s like discord that you can chat message and join games with other backbone players. What is razer giving you I’ll wait. That’s right nothing a streaming service that don’t let some games audio stream SMH when on the backbone you can connect it to a Mac. Computer and livestream as if your doing it from a pc so gain what was you saying
@Ghosttiee after making my comments and the videos i post about the v2 and like i said they drop full support of the V2 and promoting there edge that comes with the pro v2 with rumble i knew they was going to do this crap. all the people in the comments saying its better. look at all the fanboys now look at them now they have a controller that has zero support good luck with firmware updates and replacements. LOL and what makes it funny is there going to try and damage control lol...
Controller + Clip is not comfortable for longer sessions. With the Phone ontop of the Controller the center of mass is off, which gets annoying to hold after a while.
Had the backbone and accidentally let it retract on it own and it ruined the internal wiring which caused the left side buttons not to work. Just got the razer and it feels better ergonomically, hopefully it’s more durable also.
got a lot of thoughts on this. I want to get a controller for my iphone but i will be using it mostly for ps remote play. so i would prefer the buttons on the backbone but i prefer the grip of the razer. another thing what if the next iphone removes the lightning port.
Unless you don’t plan on getting a new iPhone any time soon, hold off with buying anything lightning. USB-C iPhone is definitely coming due to regulations. And if it doesn’t (aka portless), it still won’t have lightning
Which one of those controls would you recommend for the iPhone 15 Pro Max and can the controllers work with pretty much all the games that are on iPhone and can I use the controller without taking off my case
Honestly probably a bit later for me to comment on this now. Don’t game with your case on the extra heat degrades the battery plus your just leaving Fps since your phone will definitely be throttling.
i think its cool i still am working on an answer to handheld devices being the thing you lay in bed and stream info with comfortably this is a good step
Checked like 20 reviews so far and no one's answering this. Does it record last X seconds of footage or you have to make it start recording and then stop it? Is the recording feature tied to the app?
I bought a razer Kishi V2 and mine had a slight left joystick delay, I noticed it when emulating smash bros, pressing left joystick -> plus B didn't do the directional attack it was supposed to. it's a very hard to notice lag in most games, like 1/8th of a second delay, but I easily notice it in fighting games like smash bros. I returned it and got another Kishi V2 and it had the same error... tested with my V1 and xbox controller and neither had this issue. Anyone else have anything like this?
Love the Kishi. Think it's as good as the backbone. Having looked into this for some time now, Gamesir seems to be best (relatively affordable) option but I've gotta go for the Kishi for how it handles. I’m ordering it now for my iPhone. Up until now I’ve been playing a number of games on my phone with touchscreen controls like WWE 2K22, Star Wars Squadrons, Dirt 5 and loving it (I even posted a few vids) - crazy that you can play such powerful games on your phone with touchscreen controls - but it’s time to give a good controller a go.
The Kishi v1 doesn’t work at all with the iPhone 15. The Kishi software doesn’t see it in iOS. The Kishi v2 works but the software doesn’t see the controller in iOS. Spoke to Razer and they basically said they can’t help us or say anything at the moment. I am going to return both and get a backbone.
Only problem about the razor is you can’t use it using a phone case you have to remove the case and if you’re somebody like me that likes to keep the case on in case something happens, you have to remove it put it on remove it put it on it be nice if they put the I’ll put lightning a little bit longer or an adjustable one or an adapter quarter inch adapter had to do my modification on the original razor
Ah thank you for this. I’ve been researching if the controller would allow you to play with a phone casing on but none tackles that question. Apparently mobile players couldn’t care less if their phones get scratches 😂
@@Tekmogo yes you can put with the case but the connector on the bottom do your phone won’t connect not long enough so you could have the phone on the remote but it would be just cosmetic because you can’t use it I’m a big gamer as also I fly drones, removing the case at times is not suitable and it’s a problem take an on off on off on a regular basis I wanted the circumstances a person ran into me as I took off the case and was going to put it on my controller. My phone fell to the floor, smashing one of the camera lenses if I had the caisson that would’ve never happened.
Leute kann mir einer helfen? Habe den v2 pro,keinen Monat alt und lief die ersten 2 Wochen top,seit einer Woche ist es nicht mehr möglich was damit zu machen,er drückt immer wahllos m2 und r1 mal funktioniert es paar Sekunden dan spinnt es wieder mega rum...er ist nicht runter gefallen oder sonstiges,bei meiner frau läuft er 1a,bei 3 Kollegen auch...nur bei mir und meinem s23 ultra spackt er ab...weiß einer was darüber oder hat das selbe problem gehabt? Will ihn jez nicht ohne gefundene Ursache einschicken...wär cool wenn jemand einen Tipp hat danke:)
I’m play with the Kishi V1 and it great. The compact size it the best feature. Great video on the new version. I would love to add a jump and slide 🛝 to one button on the Kishi V2 with CODM.
I don't understand why all reviewers of these gaming handhelds (yourself included) never mention the fact that these do not work if you have a case on your phone - a huge flaw in my book as 99% of people have their phones in a case!
I have the Backbone and I'm happy with. There is one thing I'm disappointed with. Because of my Samsung S23 doesn't have extra micro sd slot, I use usb c adapter for micro sd car, where all my roms are. And that doesn't work when I plug this to my phone via the Backbone. I'm mad at Samsung and disappointed that the usb port in Backbone is only for power and not data.
I love it I just got the Razor keishi because I've been playing a lot of PSP games lately on my Android I have the Android version but all the emulators work great with the controller easy to map the buttons only thing I did like a little bit better about the original razor controller was its analog sticks they're more like the switch analog sticks now before they were like full gaming analog sticks that you find on PlayStation controllers it's not a big deal it still works fine just less travel and not as substantial feeling but the rest of the buttons are better in every way the whole design is better in every way it holds on to the phone better than the first one did the controls would fall off the phone a lot on the first version but the second version there's no such thing it holds the phone nice and tight the Android version looks more like a switch because Android phones are a little more Square looking that's the only thing I don't like about the iPhone version the iPhone's Corners are just too rounded like my Android phone actually looks like it's part of the controller but the iPhone looks like it's a phone attached to controllers
Stay away from the Backbone one, it requires in app subscription to use the app and they don't let you reprogram the button. Also, the analogy sticks are poorly built and will start drifting after some light uses.
Can't make this up. I went to buy the backbone but they were sold out. Bought the kishi v2 instead. Loved it at first. Then it started bugging out after about 4 nice hours in Minecraft. Randomly starts pressing buttons, somehow force quit the game and goes into app info. I'm now fumbling the device trying to figure out what's going on. I go press clear cache, instead the kishi takes over and deletes the app with all data... There goes my nice little mansion.. Returned it and just got my money back. Gonna take a break from games for a minute.
I'm never buying one of these expensive controllers again after getting the Bsp D8. That thing feels way better than the Backbone I wasted my money on. It has Hal sticks and triggers, it's way more ergonomic, and I don't notice any Bluetooth latency and it fits tablet and phablets with cases on for a little over $20. these controllers are such scams. 😂
I got one for android, but it feels unsatisfactory to say the least. The grip is average, the buttons are mouse like, and the sticks are worse than the switch joycons. The kishi V1 was way better, if not for the fact that my current phone doesn't fit it even without the case
The buttons feel awkward like it was assembled by a child with sticky fingers It works for holding the phone but over longer durations it's just too heavy to hold your hands up with it; I wish they had Bluetooth cause it uses lightning which is on its way out Assuming we can use kishi for Android for iphone 16s in the future
@Ghosttiee I very rarely use it since I bought it for the sole purpose of gaming on the go, but I would also like to try the Kishi V2 if they made an iPhone version. Edit: Woah hold up, looks like they have an iPhone version now. I’ll have to check it out when it goes on sale.
While it is true that the backbone requires a sub for some additional features, bare in mind the kishi doesn’t have most of these features at all. Backbone with no sub is fairly similar to the kishi in terms of features
Personally, I would rather buy an actual controller, and/or just have an old moded device so I could have quality games. I think most of us will agree that the DS, Gameboy, and PSP all had better games then what mobile does. However thank you very much for reviewing this! Edit: I do agree that it would be so much better if it collapsed all the way, otherwise it's just as easy to carry a gaming controller. Very niche market for that, and that's totally okay. More tech and innovation is always good.
I agree that depending what I'm doing, a Bluetooth controller is great. I use my PS5 controller all the time but when mobile, something that holds your phone is very helpful.
I have the original and it throw it in my back pocket. It works really good. If you don’t need the new macro buttons of the new controller then the old one works great
Razer Kishi V2 for iPhone: razer.a9yw.net/QO12o3
Buy at Amazon: amzn.to/3AJRkoO
Backbone One: shrsl.com/3omn1
One thing not mentioned here (and in almost all other reviews) is that the backbone has a $50/year in app subscription in order to use the backbone app. Whereas the Kishi doesn’t make you subscribe in order to use the Nexus app. Also the Backbone locks other features behind the subscription, such as being able to connect it to an iPad or Mac. Because of the cash grab that backbone is trying to force you into, I’ll be buying the Kishi and will never buy a backbone. If you’re an early adopter of the Backbone you get a lifetime subscription to app, but if you are new they lock features behind a very high subscription fee.
Shit, I didn’t know this. Thank you so much for telling, will definitely pick up the kishi v2!
Why do you need to use the backbone app? Is it required to play games?
No it don’t quit fucking lying.
so did you also tell everyone that you get a 1 year Subscription and also get stadia free for 3 months with free games also a free $10 Itunes card to buy anything there. oh not to mention being able to stream on your mac computer as the razer kishi has none sound like your a real fanboy. if your gonna down play a product you need to look at the product thats not giving you nothing or the option to pay but you look at a pay wall SMH. BTW razer will not have support for this app just like they did with the V1 which i send back my v2 do to lack of support for android as you cant play COD apex or other FPS games oh and you cant even play Genshin Impact with out using a 3rd part app which you have to pay for to play any of the games i just mention
@@Daddyezee you sound like a fanboy to 😂🤷🏻♂️
I just received the Razer Kishi V2 after purchasing on an Amazon Black Friday sale. I like it so far. It does fit securely with a slim case on my iPhone 14 Pro Max for anyone wondering about that.
Exactly what I wanted to know, thanks!
theres a way to mod it to fit if you are tech savy and want to try it!
For the past 3 years I have used my Razer Kishi v1 and it’s been the best experience ever. Especially gives you a feeling that is like console gaming. The controls feel so comfortable! Even the controller. Now that my buttons are drifting finally - I decided to try the Backbone PlayStation Edition - worst experience ever. 3 weeks playing and the drift started in both joysticks. Time for my V2 upgrade.
hows the v2?
Yes… how is the v2? Analogue sticks suck?
Damn u fine can I get your number?
Does the iPhone 13 Pro or Pro Max fit into it with an Apple Leather case on it?
I'm curious about this too. I just picked up the Backbone One and the biggest gripe I have with it is the fact this combo of 13 pro and leather case does not fit.
I doubt it will fit any case
which one is more comfortable to hold for bigger hands?
Can you use it for the Netflix games???
Got the backbone for Christmas last year. Just 3 weeks ago I tried to use it and it just stopped working out of nowhere. And the day before it was working perfectly fine. And the customer support is terrible and took days to respond to each email. And when they did respond the way the support tried to fix it was like. “Did you go to setting and try to fix it” and after I told them that it took on other 5 days to respond. I’m never buying a backbone ever again. And I love razor but I don’t know if I the same thing will happen to me again
Dude we need for iPad mini 6
Yes:)
I like the Backbone but it always disconnects then reconnects mid game it’s so frustrating. Backbone sent me a warranty replacement and it’s doing the same thing already lol. I’ll give this a try I had the first kishi and I liked it until the right side of the controller stopped working smh 🤦
@Ghosttiee right on thanks I’ll clean it. Gonna sell this and order the v2 iOS too
The side stops working since the wired that connects both sides disconnects so you have to open the controller to connect it back
Please do note that Razer Kishi cannot pass through audio using a 3.5mm audio jack which the backbone one does.
I have both backbone and kishi v1 , and the kishi wins because the analog is bigger like the Xbox controller, the backbone analogs are like Nintendo switch and it’s hard to flick em comfortably with shooters and causes (cramps)
Can someone let me know how the Kishi holds up as far as reliability? Because ive bought my backbone well over 2 months now & the left side of the controller isn’t functioning properly. Any button I press either activates a screenshot or the broadcast button.. is anybody else experiencing this ?? Should i switch to the Kishi ??
My Kishi left side wasn’t working too. I might just by a PS4 controller
The kishi lasted two years for me till the left stopped working but it is an easy repair since all you gotta do is reconnect the wires the attachs both sodes
Biggest question would
The left side go bad like the older version
Are the joysticks clickable? Like are they buttons as well?
Does the razer kishi actually have a fast response time like they say? Been using a controller via Bluetooth and the input lag is bad
It also works with Xbox cloud gaming on the IPhone and does a good job.
Does it fit with apple silicon case on?
Does it offer more game choices vs Nintendo switch
It could be amazing if Razer makes some controller with their mag safe cooler.
Cloud gaming doesnt get hot tho? Do you actually use it to play phone games?
@@bradador1 With games like apex legends mobile, Rainbow six siege mobile, The new division game and black dessert the future of actual games downloaded on the device is bright. Also some people dont have the internet speeds in there area to be able to stream these games to a playable standard so they go with these counterparts that are just as good.
Is the backbone compatible with the razer nexus app?
Can the razor controller work with the iPhone 15 pro max?
Is it thicker then the backbone?
Is the razor app free? Backbones is 50€!
yeah
How well does it work with Game Pass? Thanks!
Is this compatible with a case?!
Which sticks are better the v1 or v2? I have a Gamevice and it’s way better than backbone
I assume Most people generally use the game pass from Xbox and PlayStation not the base software that comes with the controller that would be silly and so limited.
Do either of these fully support emulators?? That's mainly what I'm trying to use it for
Helped me out with this one. Don’t want the clicks on the buttons. I use the v1 while my daughter sleeps so gonna pass on the v2
Does the passthrough lightning port support the lightning to 3.5 headphone dongle?
What is the name of the racing game you were playing?
Does nexus app collab with kishi 1
Can you play the games you have from the App Store or do they have to be from the razer app?
It can be any game that allows a controller
Can you do remote play on this?
I have a iPhone 12 Pro Max and everything is so close and small… from the analogs to the XYAB buttons… not to mention it makes my hands cramp bc of the size of it
Is this controller compatible with ps remote play?
Kishi seems to have much longer travel on triggers than Backbone has, which is a huge plus for racing games imo.
Is there any option to use the controller for PC?
@Ghosttiee keep it you will regret sending the backbone back read the comment i said to Gabriel D And AppleInsider
@@Daddyezee Dude, chill. You’re clearly the fanboy you accuse everyone of being. The absurd $50 subscription for Backbone must be going into your pocket.
@@EHokie ah I guess your the fanboy I just pointed out how he didn’t mention the benefits you get with the subscription and as your white knighting what he said clearly shows your a razer fanboy. And BTW the subscription only gives you the benefit of recording 1080p 60 using there cloud services for all your recordings that will not save to your device unless you import it there and use there controller support to use the backbone as a controller. That’s what your paying for. So guess Sony and Microsoft shouldn’t charge u either. Also forgot backbone has there own service that’s like discord that you can chat message and join games with other backbone players. What is razer giving you I’ll wait. That’s right nothing a streaming service that don’t let some games audio stream SMH when on the backbone you can connect it to a Mac. Computer and livestream as if your doing it from a pc so gain what was you saying
@Ghosttiee after making my comments and the videos i post about the v2 and like i said they drop full support of the V2 and promoting there edge that comes with the pro v2 with rumble i knew they was going to do this crap. all the people in the comments saying its better. look at all the fanboys now look at them now they have a controller that has zero support good luck with firmware updates and replacements. LOL and what makes it funny is there going to try and damage control lol...
Is there a difference on the joysticks? Which one feels better the back bone one or the razer kishi? Which one has more pull force?
Kishi feel better
Wouldn't a Bluetooth Xbox controller with an OtterBox clip, be better if playing at home?
Controller + Clip is not comfortable for longer sessions. With the Phone ontop of the Controller the center of mass is off, which gets annoying to hold after a while.
@@Nebujin383 the Otterbox clip can be attached to be directly on top of the controller, so yes, it is very comfortable
Can you use the backbone app with the Kishi v2?
Had the backbone and accidentally let it retract on it own and it ruined the internal wiring which caused the left side buttons not to work. Just got the razer and it feels better ergonomically, hopefully it’s more durable also.
Can I not just run the backbone app and use this controller??
got a lot of thoughts on this. I want to get a controller for my iphone but i will be using it mostly for ps remote play. so i would prefer the buttons on the backbone but i prefer the grip of the razer. another thing what if the next iphone removes the lightning port.
well it didnt remove it so
Unless you don’t plan on getting a new iPhone any time soon, hold off with buying anything lightning. USB-C iPhone is definitely coming due to regulations. And if it doesn’t (aka portless), it still won’t have lightning
They have lightning to USB C adapters. Will those work on it? They’re super small.
The problem with all of these controllers is that u always have to take out ur phone from the case in order to use.
The kishi 2 has a ruber piece you can take off allowing you to use it with a
case
not the Razer Kishi V2 it opens wide enough to fit your phone+case i just bought one last night and lovin it 🔥
Which one of those controls would you recommend for the iPhone 15 Pro Max and can the controllers work with pretty much all the games that are on iPhone and can I use the controller without taking off my case
Honestly probably a bit later for me to comment on this now. Don’t game with your case on the extra heat degrades the battery plus your just leaving Fps since your phone will definitely be throttling.
Would this work with a case in your phone?
Gamevice Flex does
What about the 13 Pro Max with a case on?
With a case? Forget it, it will not fit for sure
Fits the Gamevice Flex
Hi! Will Arena Breakout work?
I like the Razer Kishi v2 so I’ve ordered for one. I’m yet to receive it. I will surely update you on how it feels.
How does it feel
does Iphone 13 Pro with case fits the Kishi V2?
Yes, just tried it and works but will depend on case. Mine is fairly thin.
Razer Shouldve kept that portability from v1 made me want the v1 now over the v2
So you need to use the app to be able to play games? You can’t just start a game and if it supports it just play?
Nah. You don’t need the app. It ready doesn’t do much. It just for list of games. It also tells you if your have a firmware update for the controller
I see u checking this out too lol..
Gotta let y’all know, I got the backbone and most of the buttons stopped working after about a year
would this fit 14 pro max ????
i think its cool i still am working on an answer to handheld devices being the thing you lay in bed and stream info with comfortably this is a good step
Checked like 20 reviews so far and no one's answering this. Does it record last X seconds of footage or you have to make it start recording and then stop it? Is the recording feature tied to the app?
It records till you click the button again
Can you use the USB-C version with the iPhone 15 Pro Max and can you still have a case on your phone while using it?
I have iPhone 14 pro max and it doesn’t fit the backbone even with the adapter. I’m afraid it won’t fit the Kishi either
What are the catch points when you connect it to the BBone?
@@TheTorqueAholic what does that mean?
Mine fits
Just ordered one for half the price on Amazon. I hope it’ll be great!
UPDATE: KISHI V2 PRO IS JUST A BACKBONE BUT WITH ADDED HAPTIC FEEDBACK VIBRATOR JUST LIKE THE XBOX CONTROLLER, YES IT VIBRATES, THE BACKBONE DOESNT.
I bought a razer Kishi V2 and mine had a slight left joystick delay, I noticed it when emulating smash bros, pressing left joystick -> plus B didn't do the directional attack it was supposed to. it's a very hard to notice lag in most games, like 1/8th of a second delay, but I easily notice it in fighting games like smash bros. I returned it and got another Kishi V2 and it had the same error... tested with my V1 and xbox controller and neither had this issue. Anyone else have anything like this?
Have u synced ur controller thru the hub
@@Ø.G.S4GE yeah, but not recently. I got a steam deck and stopped using the kishi forever ago
Love the Kishi. Think it's as good as the backbone. Having looked into this for some time now, Gamesir seems to be best (relatively affordable) option but I've gotta go for the Kishi for how it handles. I’m ordering it now for my iPhone. Up until now I’ve been playing a number of games on my phone with touchscreen controls like WWE 2K22, Star Wars Squadrons, Dirt 5 and loving it (I even posted a few vids) - crazy that you can play such powerful games on your phone with touchscreen controls - but it’s time to give a good controller a go.
gamesir feels horrible in hand when compared to the backbone one imo
any idea if you can use these controllers to text in iMessage or with the RUclips App?
@@Miguel-Del no but surely you just use the screen for that even if a controller is attached, it would be far easier no?
have you tried the Gamevice Flex?
@@Gamevice No I've never come across it, I'll have a look. Have to say, loving the Razer Kishi I have at the moment. Works great
Yeah but now that iPhone 15 Pro Max had a USB type C port, what’s my option? Can I just buy the Android Kishi and call it a day?
I think I will buy the backbone because of the better app
Great Review! Thanks! Although I can see there's no way they can support a phone yet with a casing which most users have.
Gamevice Flex supports cases!
The Kishi v1 doesn’t work at all with the iPhone 15. The Kishi software doesn’t see it in iOS. The Kishi v2 works but the software doesn’t see the controller in iOS. Spoke to Razer and they basically said they can’t help us or say anything at the moment. I am going to return both and get a backbone.
Just done that and it works awesome
V2
Only problem about the razor is you can’t use it using a phone case you have to remove the case and if you’re somebody like me that likes to keep the case on in case something happens, you have to remove it put it on remove it put it on it be nice if they put the I’ll put lightning a little bit longer or an adjustable one or an adapter quarter inch adapter had to do my modification on the original razor
Ah thank you for this. I’ve been researching if the controller would allow you to play with a phone casing on but none tackles that question. Apparently mobile players couldn’t care less if their phones get scratches 😂
@@keithnesson3870 the controllers off is great. I play call of duty mobile and I’m one of the top 10
There are rubber pads that slide off the v2 allowing your phone with an average size case fit.
@@Tekmogo yes you can put with the case but the connector on the bottom do your phone won’t connect not long enough so you could have the phone on the remote but it would be just cosmetic because you can’t use it I’m a big gamer as also I fly drones, removing the case at times is not suitable and it’s a problem take an on off on off on a regular basis I wanted the circumstances a person ran into me as I took off the case and was going to put it on my controller. My phone fell to the floor, smashing one of the camera lenses if I had the caisson that would’ve never happened.
@@bayareaview8301 Hi yes your right. I double checked, the connector doesn’t reach with a case on. Bummer.
Great Review! Thank you very Much
Need a iPad Mini model.
Leute kann mir einer helfen?
Habe den v2 pro,keinen Monat alt und lief die ersten 2 Wochen top,seit einer Woche ist es nicht mehr möglich was damit zu machen,er drückt immer wahllos m2 und r1 mal funktioniert es paar Sekunden dan spinnt es wieder mega rum...er ist nicht runter gefallen oder sonstiges,bei meiner frau läuft er 1a,bei 3 Kollegen auch...nur bei mir und meinem s23 ultra spackt er ab...weiß einer was darüber oder hat das selbe problem gehabt? Will ihn jez nicht ohne gefundene Ursache einschicken...wär cool wenn jemand einen Tipp hat danke:)
I still prefer backbone over kishi v2 mostly because of an app
looks Great gnna get it for my bday
I’m play with the Kishi V1 and it great. The compact size it the best feature. Great video on the new version. I would love to add a jump and slide 🛝 to one button on the Kishi V2 with CODM.
Yeah but it doesn't work with CoDM
I been using it for over a year wtf are you talking about
@Ghosttiee Should I get the Backbone 1or Kishi v2?
Why do people like micro switches for controllers...
Retroarch ???
I thought there was a hair on my screen but it's on your desk.
Fax 📠
I don't understand why all reviewers of these gaming handhelds (yourself included) never mention the fact that these do not work if you have a case on your phone - a huge flaw in my book as 99% of people have their phones in a case!
@Ghosttiee dunno, coz my friend has it and it gets wonky with the apple leather case. It disconnects for no reason at times
It’s not a big deal
Gamevice Flex works with cases!
Chas anyone tried to fit an iphone with a case on it?
I have the Backbone and I'm happy with. There is one thing I'm disappointed with. Because of my Samsung S23 doesn't have extra micro sd slot, I use usb c adapter for micro sd car, where all my roms are. And that doesn't work when I plug this to my phone via the Backbone. I'm mad at Samsung and disappointed that the usb port in Backbone is only for power and not data.
I really wish these would fully collapse to make them more pocketable.
One thing both of these the backbone and razer you can’t use a case you have to take it out of you buy the razer v1 you might fit the case in
I love it I just got the Razor keishi because I've been playing a lot of PSP games lately on my Android I have the Android version but all the emulators work great with the controller easy to map the buttons only thing I did like a little bit better about the original razor controller was its analog sticks they're more like the switch analog sticks now before they were like full gaming analog sticks that you find on PlayStation controllers it's not a big deal it still works fine just less travel and not as substantial feeling but the rest of the buttons are better in every way the whole design is better in every way it holds on to the phone better than the first one did the controls would fall off the phone a lot on the first version but the second version there's no such thing it holds the phone nice and tight the Android version looks more like a switch because Android phones are a little more Square looking that's the only thing I don't like about the iPhone version the iPhone's Corners are just too rounded like my Android phone actually looks like it's part of the controller but the iPhone looks like it's a phone attached to controllers
Kishi v1 better hall joysticks. Worth mentioning.
Yo thanks for saving my little brother from an unintentional yearly 50$ sub
Those thumb sticks look like switch style…might as well get the V1 Kishi used real thumb sticks
Stay away from the Backbone one, it requires in app subscription to use the app and they don't let you reprogram the button. Also, the analogy sticks are poorly built and will start drifting after some light uses.
Can't make this up. I went to buy the backbone but they were sold out. Bought the kishi v2 instead. Loved it at first. Then it started bugging out after about 4 nice hours in Minecraft. Randomly starts pressing buttons, somehow force quit the game and goes into app info. I'm now fumbling the device trying to figure out what's going on. I go press clear cache, instead the kishi takes over and deletes the app with all data...
There goes my nice little mansion.. Returned it and just got my money back.
Gonna take a break from games for a minute.
😂
Didn’t share enough info about gaming etc.
I'm never buying one of these expensive controllers again after getting the Bsp D8. That thing feels way better than the Backbone I wasted my money on. It has Hal sticks and triggers, it's way more ergonomic, and I don't notice any Bluetooth latency and it fits tablet and phablets with cases on for a little over $20. these controllers are such scams. 😂
Got this for emulation
How is it?
I got one for android, but it feels unsatisfactory to say the least. The grip is average, the buttons are mouse like, and the sticks are worse than the switch joycons. The kishi V1 was way better, if not for the fact that my current phone doesn't fit it even without the case
The buttons feel awkward like it was assembled by a child with sticky fingers
It works for holding the phone but over longer durations it's just too heavy to hold your hands up with it; I wish they had Bluetooth cause it uses lightning which is on its way out
Assuming we can use kishi for Android for iphone 16s in the future
now imagine if we had some actual good games to play on the phone
Use the Ps remote play and connect to ur ps5
You can use a game streaming service to play console games on your phone. I’ve been using Xcloud with Xbox Gamepass Ultimate and it works really well.
Call of duty mobile. Im a basketball fan as well so 2k is on there
I don’t like how Razer basically just copied the Backbone One design.
@Ghosttiee I don’t have the Kishi but I got the Backbone and it is very good indeed!
@Ghosttiee I very rarely use it since I bought it for the sole purpose of gaming on the go, but I would also like to try the Kishi V2 if they made an iPhone version.
Edit: Woah hold up, looks like they have an iPhone version now. I’ll have to check it out when it goes on sale.
lmms or sotNice tutorialng.
While it is true that the backbone requires a sub for some additional features, bare in mind the kishi doesn’t have most of these features at all. Backbone with no sub is fairly similar to the kishi in terms of features
Is it worth DOUBLING the price for though?
No.
Personally, I would rather buy an actual controller, and/or just have an old moded device so I could have quality games.
I think most of us will agree that the DS, Gameboy, and PSP all had better games then what mobile does.
However thank you very much for reviewing this!
Edit: I do agree that it would be so much better if it collapsed all the way, otherwise it's just as easy to carry a gaming controller. Very niche market for that, and that's totally okay. More tech and innovation is always good.
I agree that depending what I'm doing, a Bluetooth controller is great. I use my PS5 controller all the time but when mobile, something that holds your phone is very helpful.
I have the original and it throw it in my back pocket. It works really good. If you don’t need the new macro buttons of the new controller then the old one works great
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