I hope you love it! A close friend ordered one with the 600ACE for this season, so hoping to make some good comparison videos between the two engines in the same model of sled.
As I’ve said of your other videos, very well done! You do an excellent job at showing all the spots with video clarity and clear language. I’ve subscribed and look forward to your future postings of informative videos on the 600 edit.
Thanks Norm! I'm glad the videos are helpful! I try to cover the details, especially in these DIY vids, to give people the confidence to take care of their own sled at home.
just because i dont want to take the whole front off, instead of taking the spark plugs out and spraying engine protectant, why not just turn the engine on every month to keep everything lubricated? I know you are just following the manual, i am wondering if that is another solution.
A few guys at work spring checked sleds with this engine. Seems like they nailed this engine (should be a popular choice). I went the way of the ACE 900.
I don't think you can go wrong with either of these power plants. I see the advantages of the 4-stroke 900, and I'm a bit jealous of the effortless cruising you'll be enjoying next winter!
Great video! Did you leave the drive belt on for the summer? On some other models they tell you to take the belt right off before putting it away for the season.
I can't seem to find that in my user manual. Mine says to pull the adjuster with the engine running to 'fog' the engine with oil before storing it for the summer. What page of the owner's manual calls for the oil adjustment?
@@mop1471 They list it as an item in the maintenance schedule table. I would have to look at my manual to see which page but it might be different than yours anyway. You should have that same table though.
You're right, the manual does specify semi-synthetic for the 600EFI and full-synthetic for the 600ETEC! My dealer recommended full synthetic, which is why I use it. Thanks for pointing this out, maybe I'll switch once this jug is empty!
Thanks! Yeah, I got the recall notice and spoke with my dealer. They told me it's an ECU reflash and a replacement vent. Haven't brought it in yet, may wait for fall.
Thanks for sharing this video. I just picked up a Ski-Doo Renegade Enduro 900 Ace. Before you rolled yours onto its side had you already drained the gas tank? Or will it not spill out on its side? I noticed you said you fill your tank before storage so I assumed it was empty prior to you rolling it over.
The 600 EFI is completely sealed. No fuel, oil, coolant or other fluid leaks when I lay it on its side. Your 4-stroke has oil in the engine, and my understanding is that you need to stand it back up and let it sit awhile for the oil to drip back down into the pan before you start it (but I don't have a 4-stroke, so double-check with your dealer.) I've laid the Expedition on its side several times. Sometimes for service, sometimes because I thought I could 'carve' some powder! It's never had a problem with it. Doesn't even stall the engine.
4-stroke has lots of advantages, but 2-stroke is just so much fun! I bought my Ski-Doo for winter recreation, so 2-stroke was the power plant for me. If I needed one for work, or for transportation, I'd go 4-stroke in a heartbeat. My buddy swears by his 600 ACE.
How long did you have to pull on the oil cable for? When i did it i wasnt noticing much change in the exhaust smoke 🤔. Getting the hood back on was easier then taking it off 😂
I pumped it a few times, then held it for about 20 seconds. I also didn’t see too much smoke, but there was a distinct change in the smell of the exhaust.
Thanks Rob! I'm not a mechanic either. The job took me a couple of hours, including filming. I think I could knock it out in under 60 minutes next year. Note that you don't need to remove the upper bodywork to do the job, but it only takes 5 minutes and removing it let me inspect the under-hood components too!
Do you know ski doo has its own fogging feature so you don’t have to remove plugs it does it for you. It’s different for different sleds but on an 850 Freeride you just hold down the dash button and spam the high/low beam switch and it does it for you.
I was disappointed to discover that automatic engine fogging is not available on the 600 EFI. I think the 600 EFI has a mechanical oil pump, not computer controlled like the E-TEC, so there can be no button the dash to fog the engine.
I was really hoping for the automatic fogging feature. But all things considered, it only takes a few minutes to fog the engine manually. Besides, the service schedule says to replace the 600 EFI spark plugs ever 2 years, which will be easy, since they come out every year anyway!
Have you been informed of the recall on the 600 EFI. I am curious what the dealers will do for replacement parts. SAFETY RECALL NOTICE Subject: Vent Grill Melting- Potential Fire Hazard Dear Ski-Doo® Owner, BRP is conducting a safety recall on certain Ski-Doo models. BRP has determined that a defect which relates to motor vehicle safety exists on certain Ski-Doo models and is conducting a safety recall. BRP has reported this matter to the US Consumer Product Safety Commission. Our records show that you own a potentially affected vehicle. What is the potential problem? On models equipped with a 600 EFI engine, in some specific riding conditions, a high heat could develop in the muffler causing the upper right hand vent grill to melt. In some situations, fire could occur. This could result in serious property damages, injuries or even death. Which models are involved? Model year 2021 and some specific serial numbers for model year 2022 Ski-Doo models equipped with 600 EFI engines. What will BRP do? BRP will repair your vehicle free of charge. What should you do? BRP recommends to avoid driving your vehicle but if you must use it, be sure to not go over 7200 RPM. Please contact your BRP Ski-Doo dealer and make an appointment. Your dealer will perform the repair procedure. The presence of aftermarket modifications will not prevent you from receiving this service at no cost. The presence of these modifications, while the service is being completed, will not void any existing warranty or service contract. What to do if you feel this notice is an error? This notice was mailed to you according to the most current information we have available. If you no longer own this vehicle or some information in this notice is incorrect, please contact BRP at your earliest convenience.
Yeah, I got the recall letter too. Spoke with my dealer and they told me the fix is an ECU re-flash and a replacement vent. I'll try to document the fix on this channel if possible.
I see where you’re coming from, but the 600EFI is substantially less expensive than an E-TEC. So, it doesn’t have the E-TEC’s features and performance. In the Expedition lineup, the 600EFI retailed for $10,400 (and my dealer even gave me $750 in accessories at no extra cost!) To get a 600 E-TEC meant upgrading to the Expedition LE, which retailed for over $15,000. I recognize that the Expedition LE offers far more power and many, many additional features over the Sport 600EFI, but I’m just not sure they’ll add $5,000 in value to my snowmobiling experience. Personally, I’m willing to spend an hour putting my sled away every spring to keep $5,000 in my pocket.
@@mop1471 I read you there. It takes me more than an hour to summarize mine to go through it all even with the E-Tech. I just can't believe having a ECU it's like summarizing a 1980 Ski-Doo I find it hard to believe they couldn't do something better than that... For the price of these machines and the technology that's out there they could have done better...
I’m not certain, but I think your E-TEC has computer controlled oil injection while my 600EFI has a [cheaper] mechanical oil pump. This is why my 600EFI can’t fog itself while your E-TEC can. TBH, I was pretty disappointed to find out I couldn’t fog the engine with a button press. The rest of the maintenance items, like inspecting wear components, lubricating suspension and whatnot, I would expect to be the same between our sleds. Last spring, maintenance and filming took me about 3hrs, but filming at least doubles the time it takes to do these jobs (moving cameras & tripods / oops, didn’t get the shot, have to do that step again / camera battery died, where’s my spare? / etc…) Could Ski-Doo have done better? Probably. But the Sport 600EFI machines are built to a value price point and Ski-Doo has to make sure they don’t reduce sales of their premium sleds by making the Sport 600EFI too good. Overall, I maintain that the Sport 600EFI lineup is excellent value.
@@mop1471 yes it does have an electric oil pump and I understand what you're saying and I am a Ski-Doo guy but why did they go backward here we are in 2021 and they went backwards.. Like the car companies and all their problems going backwards.. For what these snowmobiles cost they should mow your lawn and wash your clothes!!
I can see that we're 100% speaking the same language. What I'm trying to do here is show people that they don't necessarily need a $20,000 machine to get into snowmobiling. But, yes, it does frustrate me that they spent $$$ on engineering to design a machine with fewer features just so it wouldn't eat into sales of their premium line-up.
Torqued to factory specifications. When I'm in my garage, with access to the right tools, I use 'em. Muffler: I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean to take the muffler off to get access to the spark plugs? Instead of removing the upper bodywork?
Just checked with my dealer: Yes! They offer a pull start kit for 600 EFI! It’s $260 up here in Canada. Might pick one up - my 600 EFI has never let me down, but I’d like a pull start, just in case.
@@mop1471 nice, looking forward to the install video, have a ace, dont like the fact that I can not pull start when needed. Might have to go with a 600 efi if it works out.
2021 mxz 600 sport. I bought it at the end of the season and only got one short ride in. Have you had any problems with yours ? The videos you do are very nicely done and informative.
MXZ Sport: That's a nice machine! You're going to love it next winter! Mine has been great so far. I had one warranty repair: my son came home from a ride and told me the emergency stop switch (kill switch) broke off. Switch still worked, but the red cap was missing. Dealer replaced under warranty. It's entirely possible this was caused more by youthful exuberance than by defective parts. In low-snow conditions, the Expedition can overheat. That's why I did the ice-scratcher videos. Ice scratchers help a lot, but the sled still needs a cool-down break if it's been running in extremely low snow for extended periods. Don't panic: this occurred about 3 times in 1,300 kms. Besides, your MXZ is a lot lighter than the Expedition, so it may never happen to you at all! Finally, there is a recall on some 600 EFIs. Fix is an ECU re-flash and a new hood vent. Your BRP dealer will take care of this at no cost to you.
why do all that crap just start it every month and let it warm up to operating temperature and it shuts itself . of course clean it and put the cover on. i have owned over 20 sleds in my life never summerized any of them
I operate under the assumption that nobody knows better than the Engineers at BRP who designed the machine, so my maintenance procedures are by-the-book. In the past, I've put vehicles away for the season with the intent of just starting them periodically. But, I've found that I forget, or don't have time to get to them. Now, I appreciate spending an hour on maintenance, then tucking it away and forgetting about it. I also like inspecting the wear items and making sure everything will be reliable for the season.
Running the engine regularly during the off-season is probably a reasonable solution. I've done it in the past with other vehicles. And regardless, the machine still needs to be cleaned, inspected for damage and suspension lubricated. All of the consumables used in this maintenance would total about $60, if you buy the BRP XPS stuff and buy it all at once. Each package has enough product to last 5-6 years, so we're looking at about $10/year in consumables to maintain a $10k machine. If that's a money grab, then they're doing it wrong!
On top of the low cost, I was able to knock this out in one evening after dinner, including filming. I'm pretty sure I can do it in under 60 minutes next time.
Tools required:
- Torque wrench capable of 21 ft/lbs
- Spark plug socket
- Slot screwdriver, about a foot long (to loosen the air intake clamp)
- Grease gun with Zerk fitting and needle tip
Helpful tools:
- Impact driver w/Torx T25 bit
Supplies required:
- All purpose cleaner or soapy water to clean the sled (BRP XPS All-Purpose Cleaner & Degreaser recommended p/no: 779328)
- Grease, for the grease gun (BRP XPS Synthetic Grease Suspension recommended p/no: 779163)
- Fuel Stabilizer (BRP XPS Fuel Stabilizer recommended p/no: 779171)
- Engine storage spray (BRP XPS Storage Oil recommended p/no: 779173)
- Lubrican spray (BRP XPS Anti-Corrosive Lubricant recommended p/no: 779166)
- Rag to plug exhaust
- Opaque, breathable cover
Helpful supplies:
- Dielectric grease to apply to electrical connectors during reassembly (provides waterproofing, lubrication and rust prevention)
Perfect thank you!!
Used your video, again… for my year end to do list, thank you
happy to help!
Keep it up !! Just waiting on my skid
Plate to come in and picking up my new 2024 expedition 600 efi in the next couple weeks.
I hope you love it! A close friend ordered one with the 600ACE for this season, so hoping to make some good comparison videos between the two engines in the same model of sled.
As I’ve said of your other videos, very well done! You do an excellent job at showing all the spots with video clarity and clear language. I’ve subscribed and look forward to your future postings of informative videos on the 600 edit.
Thanks Norm! I'm glad the videos are helpful! I try to cover the details, especially in these DIY vids, to give people the confidence to take care of their own sled at home.
just because i dont want to take the whole front off, instead of taking the spark plugs out and spraying engine protectant, why not just turn the engine on every month to keep everything lubricated? I know you are just following the manual, i am wondering if that is another solution.
I wanted to document the by-the-book storage procedure. Popping off the front bodywork is no bit deal, takes about 5 mins with a bit of practice.
Great video . just what i needed. I got to get my sled ready for storage still.
Happy to help. I have a second, older model, needing storage service too. Maybe I'll take care of it this weekend!
Good job, another hint with fuel stabilizer I like putting in tank first before adding gas or put in can with gas makin the mixing easier.. 👌
Very true. Great tip!
A few guys at work spring checked sleds with this engine. Seems like they nailed this engine (should be a popular choice). I went the way of the ACE 900.
I don't think you can go wrong with either of these power plants. I see the advantages of the 4-stroke 900, and I'm a bit jealous of the effortless cruising you'll be enjoying next winter!
Great video! Did you leave the drive belt on for the summer? On some other models they tell you to take the belt right off before putting it away for the season.
Great question. I saw no instructions to remove the belt. Thought about doing it anyway, but left it on. Was 100% fine this season.
Very very good. Do you know how to adjust the oil pump, The manual says to do it annually,
I can't seem to find that in my user manual. Mine says to pull the adjuster with the engine running to 'fog' the engine with oil before storing it for the summer. What page of the owner's manual calls for the oil adjustment?
@@mop1471 They list it as an item in the maintenance schedule table. I would have to look at my manual to see which page but it might be different than yours anyway. You should have that same table though.
I see your using e-tec fully synthetic oil. Is there a reason your not using the semi synthetic like the manual suggests?
You're right, the manual does specify semi-synthetic for the 600EFI and full-synthetic for the 600ETEC! My dealer recommended full synthetic, which is why I use it. Thanks for pointing this out, maybe I'll switch once this jug is empty!
Another awesome video!
Did you get a recall notice for this machine? We did for ours.
Thanks! Yeah, I got the recall notice and spoke with my dealer. They told me it's an ECU reflash and a replacement vent. Haven't brought it in yet, may wait for fall.
Thanks for sharing this video. I just picked up a Ski-Doo Renegade Enduro 900 Ace. Before you rolled yours onto its side had you already drained the gas tank? Or will it not spill out on its side? I noticed you said you fill your tank before storage so I assumed it was empty prior to you rolling it over.
The 600 EFI is completely sealed. No fuel, oil, coolant or other fluid leaks when I lay it on its side. Your 4-stroke has oil in the engine, and my understanding is that you need to stand it back up and let it sit awhile for the oil to drip back down into the pan before you start it (but I don't have a 4-stroke, so double-check with your dealer.)
I've laid the Expedition on its side several times. Sometimes for service, sometimes because I thought I could 'carve' some powder! It's never had a problem with it. Doesn't even stall the engine.
@@mop1471 Thanks, I missed the 600 EFI being a 2-stroke. I thought it was a 4-stroke like the 600 & 900 ACE.
4-stroke has lots of advantages, but 2-stroke is just so much fun! I bought my Ski-Doo for winter recreation, so 2-stroke was the power plant for me. If I needed one for work, or for transportation, I'd go 4-stroke in a heartbeat. My buddy swears by his 600 ACE.
How long did you have to pull on the oil cable for? When i did it i wasnt noticing much change in the exhaust smoke 🤔. Getting the hood back on was easier then taking it off 😂
I pumped it a few times, then held it for about 20 seconds. I also didn’t see too much smoke, but there was a distinct change in the smell of the exhaust.
nice video again; not much of a mechanic here but i might be able to do my own sled next spring
Thanks Rob! I'm not a mechanic either. The job took me a couple of hours, including filming. I think I could knock it out in under 60 minutes next year. Note that you don't need to remove the upper bodywork to do the job, but it only takes 5 minutes and removing it let me inspect the under-hood components too!
@@mop1471 and i dont have a garage; so will be working in driveway lol; then bring it for storage to dealer; but looks fairly straight forward
Does it have the self oil fog option in the dash?
No, that feature is not present on the 600 EFI.
Do you know ski doo has its own fogging feature so you don’t have to remove plugs it does it for you. It’s different for different sleds but on an 850 Freeride you just hold down the dash button and spam the high/low beam switch and it does it for you.
I was disappointed to discover that automatic engine fogging is not available on the 600 EFI. I think the 600 EFI has a mechanical oil pump, not computer controlled like the E-TEC, so there can be no button the dash to fog the engine.
@@mop1471 ahhh shucks
@@mop1471 Disappointing but not that big of a deal I guess. I spring checked the Backcountry 600 EFI for next year. Looking forward to it.
I was really hoping for the automatic fogging feature. But all things considered, it only takes a few minutes to fog the engine manually. Besides, the service schedule says to replace the 600 EFI spark plugs ever 2 years, which will be easy, since they come out every year anyway!
Have you been informed of the recall on the 600 EFI. I am curious what the dealers will do for replacement parts.
SAFETY RECALL NOTICE
Subject: Vent Grill Melting- Potential Fire Hazard
Dear Ski-Doo® Owner,
BRP is conducting a safety recall on certain Ski-Doo models.
BRP has determined that a defect which relates to motor vehicle safety exists on certain Ski-Doo models and is conducting a safety recall. BRP has reported this matter to the US Consumer Product Safety Commission.
Our records show that you own a potentially affected vehicle.
What is the potential problem?
On models equipped with a 600 EFI engine, in some specific riding conditions, a high heat could develop in the muffler causing the upper right hand vent grill to melt. In some situations, fire could occur. This could result in serious property damages, injuries or even death.
Which models are involved?
Model year 2021 and some specific serial numbers for model year 2022 Ski-Doo models equipped with 600 EFI engines.
What will BRP do?
BRP will repair your vehicle free of charge.
What should you do?
BRP recommends to avoid driving your vehicle but if you must use it, be sure to not go over 7200 RPM.
Please contact your BRP Ski-Doo dealer and make an appointment. Your dealer will perform the repair procedure.
The presence of aftermarket modifications will not prevent you from receiving this service at no cost. The presence of these modifications, while the service is being completed, will not void any existing warranty or service contract.
What to do if you feel this notice is an error?
This notice was mailed to you according to the most current information we have available. If you no longer own this vehicle or some information in this notice is incorrect, please contact BRP at your earliest convenience.
Yeah, I got the recall letter too. Spoke with my dealer and they told me the fix is an ECU re-flash and a replacement vent. I'll try to document the fix on this channel if possible.
Is that a 2021 or a 1980?
All of that to summerize it?
I have an Etek, it basically summerizes it's self.
Going backwards in technology...
I see where you’re coming from, but the 600EFI is substantially less expensive than an E-TEC. So, it doesn’t have the E-TEC’s features and performance. In the Expedition lineup, the 600EFI retailed for $10,400 (and my dealer even gave me $750 in accessories at no extra cost!) To get a 600 E-TEC meant upgrading to the Expedition LE, which retailed for over $15,000.
I recognize that the Expedition LE offers far more power and many, many additional features over the Sport 600EFI, but I’m just not sure they’ll add $5,000 in value to my snowmobiling experience.
Personally, I’m willing to spend an hour putting my sled away every spring to keep $5,000 in my pocket.
@@mop1471 I read you there.
It takes me more than an hour to summarize mine to go through it all even with the E-Tech.
I just can't believe having a ECU it's like summarizing a 1980 Ski-Doo I find it hard to believe they couldn't do something better than that...
For the price of these machines and the technology that's out there they could have done better...
I’m not certain, but I think your E-TEC has computer controlled oil injection while my 600EFI has a [cheaper] mechanical oil pump. This is why my 600EFI can’t fog itself while your E-TEC can. TBH, I was pretty disappointed to find out I couldn’t fog the engine with a button press.
The rest of the maintenance items, like inspecting wear components, lubricating suspension and whatnot, I would expect to be the same between our sleds.
Last spring, maintenance and filming took me about 3hrs, but filming at least doubles the time it takes to do these jobs (moving cameras & tripods / oops, didn’t get the shot, have to do that step again / camera battery died, where’s my spare? / etc…)
Could Ski-Doo have done better? Probably. But the Sport 600EFI machines are built to a value price point and Ski-Doo has to make sure they don’t reduce sales of their premium sleds by making the Sport 600EFI too good. Overall, I maintain that the Sport 600EFI lineup is excellent value.
@@mop1471 yes it does have an electric oil pump and I understand what you're saying and I am a Ski-Doo guy but why did they go backward here we are in 2021 and they went backwards..
Like the car companies and all their problems going backwards..
For what these snowmobiles cost they should mow your lawn and wash your clothes!!
I can see that we're 100% speaking the same language. What I'm trying to do here is show people that they don't necessarily need a $20,000 machine to get into snowmobiling. But, yes, it does frustrate me that they spent $$$ on engineering to design a machine with fewer features just so it wouldn't eat into sales of their premium line-up.
0:29 are you torquing your spark plugs? also, just take the damn muffler off to get access.
Torqued to factory specifications. When I'm in my garage, with access to the right tools, I use 'em.
Muffler: I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean to take the muffler off to get access to the spark plugs? Instead of removing the upper bodywork?
can you get an optional recoil with the 600 efi like you can for the 600 etec?
Good question. I'll look into it. I'd like a recoil starter as a backup, so if it's offered, I'll make an install vid!
Just checked with my dealer: Yes! They offer a pull start kit for 600 EFI! It’s $260 up here in Canada. Might pick one up - my 600 EFI has never let me down, but I’d like a pull start, just in case.
@@mop1471 nice, looking forward to the install video, have a ace, dont like the fact that I can not pull start when needed. Might have to go with a 600 efi if it works out.
Loved the video
Thanks! More to come this season, just need some snow!
Thanks for an interesting video
I appreciate the comment Rick! I hope the video helps you maintain your own 600 EFI, whether you have one now or pick one up in the future!
I just bought one about a month ago.
Good for you! Which model did you go with?
2021 mxz 600 sport. I bought it at the end of the season and only got one short ride in. Have you had any problems with yours ? The videos you do are very nicely done and informative.
MXZ Sport: That's a nice machine! You're going to love it next winter!
Mine has been great so far. I had one warranty repair: my son came home from a ride and told me the emergency stop switch (kill switch) broke off. Switch still worked, but the red cap was missing. Dealer replaced under warranty. It's entirely possible this was caused more by youthful exuberance than by defective parts.
In low-snow conditions, the Expedition can overheat. That's why I did the ice-scratcher videos. Ice scratchers help a lot, but the sled still needs a cool-down break if it's been running in extremely low snow for extended periods. Don't panic: this occurred about 3 times in 1,300 kms. Besides, your MXZ is a lot lighter than the Expedition, so it may never happen to you at all!
Finally, there is a recall on some 600 EFIs. Fix is an ECU re-flash and a new hood vent. Your BRP dealer will take care of this at no cost to you.
why do all that crap just start it every month and let it warm up to operating temperature and it shuts itself . of course clean it and put the cover on. i have owned over 20 sleds in my life never summerized any of them
I operate under the assumption that nobody knows better than the Engineers at BRP who designed the machine, so my maintenance procedures are by-the-book.
In the past, I've put vehicles away for the season with the intent of just starting them periodically. But, I've found that I forget, or don't have time to get to them. Now, I appreciate spending an hour on maintenance, then tucking it away and forgetting about it. I also like inspecting the wear items and making sure everything will be reliable for the season.
My machine shuts down
Assuming it's a 600 EFI, what causes you machine to shut down?
What a waste. Run premium feul......so ethonol wont spoil.......and start up once a month. Thats it. The rest is all a money grab.
Running the engine regularly during the off-season is probably a reasonable solution. I've done it in the past with other vehicles. And regardless, the machine still needs to be cleaned, inspected for damage and suspension lubricated.
All of the consumables used in this maintenance would total about $60, if you buy the BRP XPS stuff and buy it all at once. Each package has enough product to last 5-6 years, so we're looking at about $10/year in consumables to maintain a $10k machine. If that's a money grab, then they're doing it wrong!
@@mop1471 I agree. If this is a money grab then they aren't very good at it.
On top of the low cost, I was able to knock this out in one evening after dinner, including filming. I'm pretty sure I can do it in under 60 minutes next time.