what kind of mileage are you getting with the 600 efi and how does it do in extreme cold temps for starting, like -40 F? Great videos, doing research before getting one as I am use to the 600 ace in past models.
Fuel and Oil consumption documented right here my friend! ruclips.net/video/oaB36RJx6lo/видео.html Extreme cold: if it doesn't start right away, hold the throttle open and try again to avoid flooding the engine. It hasn't let me down yet. Coldest day so far was about -36°C.
Dunno if you guys cares but if you guys are stoned like me during the covid times you can watch all of the new movies on InstaFlixxer. I've been streaming with my gf these days =)
No, it does not have a pull start. Just electric or emergency cord. I was actually tempted to spend more for a machine with the SHOT starter system, because it has a proper pull starter in addition to the emergency cord and SHOT system. However, I'm happy to report that the electric start has been 100% reliable throughout the first season or riding.
I really appreciate your videos. I just purchased the skidoo expedition sport with 600 efi and the information is great to learn the sled. I just purchased a helmet with heated visor. Any chance that you are going to do an instruction on how to install the power supply?
Glad you're enjoying the vids! The first mod I did was the heated visor connector installation, and I'm afraid I didn't film it :(( Installation required removing the upper body work (as documented in this video.) It seems like a lot of work, but it's really not bad and it'll be great to get some practice with your new Expedition. I've got the body work removal down to 5 mins now that I've done it a few times. Heated Visor Kit Ski-Doo p/no 860201283 is really well priced directly from Ski-Doo and it's a great first DIY project. Installation (with upper body work removed): - The hole for the heated visor plug is pre-drilled in the console and covered with a plastic cap. From the right side of the sled, reach under the console and pop out the plastic cap. (see timestamp 3:40 in the video.) - With the heated visor plug wiring harness, slide the grounding ring over the threaded portion of the plug, then insert the plug through the hole in the console, from the underside of the console. Hold it there with one hand. - With your other hand, thread the plastic nut / connector cover onto the heated visor plug above the console. Don't do this by twisting the harness under the console as this will strain the wires in the harness. Instead, hold the connector and harness steady and spin the nut / connector cover from the top of the console. - Next, you'll have to make the electrical connection to the accessory wiring harness. Most accessories have a 'pass through' connector, so you can daisy-chain more accessories to the circuit. The last, unused plug is always left connected to a 'dummy plug' under the console. Location of the dummy plug is identified at timestamp 3:55 in the video. Unplug your accessory wiring harness from the dummy plug and connect your heated visor plug wiring harness to the accessory harness. The heated visor plug harness does not have a pass-through connector, so you won't have to reconnect anything to the dummy plug. - Use zip ties to make sure the heated visor plug wiring harness is secured in a safe spot under the console (you don't want the wires to be able to pop out while you're reinstalling the upper body work!) - Reinstall the upper body work and enjoy a fog-free snowmobiling experience! As soon as we get enough snow for the trails to open, we'll be filming some Ski-Doo adventures! Make sure to subscribe so you don't miss upcoming videos, and please share these videos with like-minded snowmobilers!
Great videos RC Canada. I will be taking delivery of a 2022 Expedition Sport 600 EFI in the fall. Would you happen to know the part number for the heated visor outlet on your sled? I want one but having trouble finding it on the Ski-Doo Canada web site. Thanks and please keep the videos coming!
Great video. Can the 600 EFI spark plugs be changed by removing the side panels only or does cab need to be disassembled on the trail to change them? I recognize parts under your hood... my 900 ACE not so much.
I haven't had to change the plugs yet, but I'm sure I could reach them through the side panels. If I were in my shop, I'd just pull the upper body off. It only takes a few minutes and gives full access to everything.
Good instructional vid,now i know why i like older technology.Thats a lot of effort for a guy who likes to do routine inspections and maint.That should have been engineered more operator friendly.
That's how I felt the first time I did it. But now that the hood's been off a few times, it's a 5 minute job. Plus, it gives better access to the engine bay and under the console than opening the hood on my older sled.
I need to replace this video. Now that I've had the hood off a few times, I can do it in under 5 minutes, and it gives better access to all parts of the machine than the classic front-hinged design.
Thanks! No, you could reach them and service them just by swinging open the side access panels. But, removing the upper body work only takes a few minutes, then you have great access to everything. If I ever had to work with the spark plugs on the trail, I'd probably use the access panels. In my shop, I'd spend 5 mins and open the whole thing up.
Great video...any regrets on the sled? Any issues, concerns, problems? Is it comfortable? Does it dart from side to side? This "twitchy" steering is a common skidoo trait. Thanks bud
No regrets at all. Big traction, 2-up seat, awesome price. Only compromise is the top speed, but I hit 112 on the lake tonight, and that’s fast enough for me (don’t get the wrong idea, it has LOTS of torque!) Local trails aren’t being groomed yet, so they’re pretty rough. Riding them is fine, but I wouldn’t call it comfortable. I’m certain, once trails are groomed, the sled will be super-comfy. I have no sensation of the sled being darty.
Quick follow up: was out trail riding with a buddy on a 1,000 Yamaha. He reached 130kph on ice, I reached 124. Not bad for being 45 horsepower short and a longer track. Overall, I couldn't quite keep up in the twisties, but could make up the difference on the straights.
@@mop1471 My Expedition Sport 900 ACE is not any faster. In case you were wondering. More complicated, more expensive, but quieter & only slightly more fuel efficient.
Iam a serious brp fan.. and really like these new sleds handling. But when I looked at wide tracks it's between expedition skandic or vk540. At least on the 540 I can change a darn spark plug
I'll have to update this video: after removing the upper bodywork a few times, I can have this hood off in 5 mins and it gives me better access to the internal components than the classic front-hinged design.
I wish the 2022 Expeditions would have kept that body work. I spring ordered an Expedition and a Renegade (both 600efi), and the Renegade (same upper body as your 2021), is way easier to work on than my newly designed Expedition upper body.
Interesting. I noticed that the brochure no longer specified 'narrow body work' on the Expy 600 EFI. I suspect they're trying to differentiate it from the sportier machines - with the narrow body work, the Expedition was basically somewhere in between the Backcountry and the Summit. On the positive side, your wide bodywork should accommodate the radiator with electric fan for additional cooling if you ever want to go that route!
Some Expeditions are available with 20" wide or even 24" wide tracks. I don't know if the tunnels are wider to fit these tracks. I've heard reviewers talk about how wide the SWT versions are, but it's unclear to me if they're literally talking about the tunnel width, or just the handling of a snowmobile with 24" wide track...
Handles very well, even on the non-maintained trails I have access to. Check out my 'first impressions' video here for more: ruclips.net/video/nvgm1mTYt7c/видео.html When I first mounted the sled, I sat so high, and it feels so narrow, that I was worried it would be tippy. But the centre of gravity is so low that it isn't. Took me an hour or so to get accustomed to the sled and to start to trust it. While riding, I do find myself shifting my weight around a fair bit, much more so than on classic, non-rider-forward designs.
I'm planning to do just that! Need some deep power do do it right. Murphy's law: the year I buy a new sled, Northern Ontario isn't getting snow while Madrid gets their biggest snowfall in 60 years. Maybe I'll make a short vid showing operation of the lockout feature and handling characteristics on hard-packed snow.
@@Gendronk How is she enjoying it? Unfortunately, I only put about 100kms on mine so far. We haven't gotten much snowfall and I'm not even sure I could get to the trails in the current conditions.
Well great video but these new sleds suck for maintenance! give me the days when you could just lift the hood and work on it. Anytime you have to undo multiple electrical connectors you are going to start having issues that is fact dealt with it already on several sleds
To avoid problems down the line, I've been applying dielectric grease liberally to every connector I encounter. This should lubricate the contacts for easier maintenance in the future, but also to reduce wear when disconnecting.
@@mop1471 Yes that comes with a risk also. Some will disagree but this is fact learned the hard way. You should never apply dielectric to electrical contact surfaces as it is an insulator not conductor. It will actually cause a plugged connection to not work properly. Again I know many use it and it is great stuff used correctly but not on a contact surface.
I don't disagree at all. Professionally, I design computers for industrial vehicles. We had some problems with connectors corroding, so we did the math and determined that applying dielectric grease, even to contact surfaces, will solve more problems than it creates. One of the reasons for this is because we've over-rated connectors by 99%. So a max 30mA circuit will use a 3A connector. Since we only need 1% of the contact surface, the dielectric grease won't degrade the connection enough to cause electrical problems, but it does solve corrosion problems! (It's worth noting that we can't use 'appropriately' sized connectors because a connector rated for 100mA will be far too small and delicate to survive the industrial environment, so we must use larger connectors with stronger mechanical properties.) I suspect Ski-Doo does something similar. I see a lot of Molex connectors under the Ski-Doo hood, rated for 20A+ per pin, and they're powering circuits that can't possibly draw anywhere near that kind of current (with the possible exception of the headlights.)
It’s still in break-in, and the manual says it runs rich until break-in is done. So I can’t really say yet. I’m expecting about 300 kms per tank if I can behave myself.
what kind of mileage are you getting with the 600 efi and how does it do in extreme cold temps for starting, like -40 F? Great videos, doing research before getting one as I am use to the 600 ace in past models.
Fuel and Oil consumption documented right here my friend! ruclips.net/video/oaB36RJx6lo/видео.html
Extreme cold: if it doesn't start right away, hold the throttle open and try again to avoid flooding the engine. It hasn't let me down yet. Coldest day so far was about -36°C.
That was t one of the best videos I’ve seen yet. Well done!
Thanks Norm! I hope you found the video informative. Feel free to check out the Fuel Consumption video and the Top Speed videos too!
Dunno if you guys cares but if you guys are stoned like me during the covid times you can watch all of the new movies on InstaFlixxer. I've been streaming with my gf these days =)
@Mathias Stephen definitely, have been using InstaFlixxer for months myself :)
Other then the emergency pull cord Does it have a pulll start??? Maybe i missed that part .. or is it all electric start?
No, it does not have a pull start. Just electric or emergency cord.
I was actually tempted to spend more for a machine with the SHOT starter system, because it has a proper pull starter in addition to the emergency cord and SHOT system. However, I'm happy to report that the electric start has been 100% reliable throughout the first season or riding.
I really appreciate your videos. I just purchased the skidoo expedition sport with 600 efi and the information is great to learn the sled. I just purchased a helmet with heated visor. Any chance that you are going to do an instruction on how to install the power supply?
Glad you're enjoying the vids!
The first mod I did was the heated visor connector installation, and I'm afraid I didn't film it :((
Installation required removing the upper body work (as documented in this video.) It seems like a lot of work, but it's really not bad and it'll be great to get some practice with your new Expedition. I've got the body work removal down to 5 mins now that I've done it a few times.
Heated Visor Kit Ski-Doo p/no 860201283 is really well priced directly from Ski-Doo and it's a great first DIY project.
Installation (with upper body work removed):
- The hole for the heated visor plug is pre-drilled in the console and covered with a plastic cap. From the right side of the sled, reach under the console and pop out the plastic cap. (see timestamp 3:40 in the video.)
- With the heated visor plug wiring harness, slide the grounding ring over the threaded portion of the plug, then insert the plug through the hole in the console, from the underside of the console. Hold it there with one hand.
- With your other hand, thread the plastic nut / connector cover onto the heated visor plug above the console. Don't do this by twisting the harness under the console as this will strain the wires in the harness. Instead, hold the connector and harness steady and spin the nut / connector cover from the top of the console.
- Next, you'll have to make the electrical connection to the accessory wiring harness. Most accessories have a 'pass through' connector, so you can daisy-chain more accessories to the circuit. The last, unused plug is always left connected to a 'dummy plug' under the console. Location of the dummy plug is identified at timestamp 3:55 in the video. Unplug your accessory wiring harness from the dummy plug and connect your heated visor plug wiring harness to the accessory harness. The heated visor plug harness does not have a pass-through connector, so you won't have to reconnect anything to the dummy plug.
- Use zip ties to make sure the heated visor plug wiring harness is secured in a safe spot under the console (you don't want the wires to be able to pop out while you're reinstalling the upper body work!)
- Reinstall the upper body work and enjoy a fog-free snowmobiling experience!
As soon as we get enough snow for the trails to open, we'll be filming some Ski-Doo adventures! Make sure to subscribe so you don't miss upcoming videos, and please share these videos with like-minded snowmobilers!
Great videos RC Canada. I will be taking delivery of a 2022 Expedition Sport 600 EFI in the fall. Would you happen to know the part number for the heated visor outlet on your sled? I want one but having trouble finding it on the Ski-Doo Canada web site. Thanks and please keep the videos coming!
I think it’s part number 860201283, but you should double-check.
Thank you, will “Doo”!
Great video. Can the 600 EFI spark plugs be changed by removing the side panels only or does cab need to be disassembled on the trail to change them? I recognize parts under your hood... my 900 ACE not so much.
I haven't had to change the plugs yet, but I'm sure I could reach them through the side panels. If I were in my shop, I'd just pull the upper body off. It only takes a few minutes and gives full access to everything.
Remove the side panel, easy access. I have 4500 km on my Backcountry 600 EFI.
Good instructional vid,now i know why i like older technology.Thats a lot of effort for a guy who likes to do routine inspections and maint.That should have been engineered more operator friendly.
That's how I felt the first time I did it. But now that the hood's been off a few times, it's a 5 minute job. Plus, it gives better access to the engine bay and under the console than opening the hood on my older sled.
Awesome video, thanks for posting.
I need to replace this video. Now that I've had the hood off a few times, I can do it in under 5 minutes, and it gives better access to all parts of the machine than the classic front-hinged design.
Excellent video. Very educational!
Do you have to remove all the cowlings to get to the plugs?
Nice job!
Thanks!
No, you could reach them and service them just by swinging open the side access panels. But, removing the upper body work only takes a few minutes, then you have great access to everything.
If I ever had to work with the spark plugs on the trail, I'd probably use the access panels. In my shop, I'd spend 5 mins and open the whole thing up.
@@mop1471 Just answered my question. Thanks
Great video...any regrets on the sled? Any issues, concerns, problems? Is it comfortable? Does it dart from side to side? This "twitchy" steering is a common skidoo trait. Thanks bud
No regrets at all. Big traction, 2-up seat, awesome price. Only compromise is the top speed, but I hit 112 on the lake tonight, and that’s fast enough for me (don’t get the wrong idea, it has LOTS of torque!)
Local trails aren’t being groomed yet, so they’re pretty rough. Riding them is fine, but I wouldn’t call it comfortable. I’m certain,
once trails are groomed, the sled will be super-comfy.
I have no sensation of the sled being darty.
Quick follow up: was out trail riding with a buddy on a 1,000 Yamaha. He reached 130kph on ice, I reached 124. Not bad for being 45 horsepower short and a longer track. Overall, I couldn't quite keep up in the twisties, but could make up the difference on the straights.
@@mop1471 My Expedition Sport 900 ACE is not any faster. In case you were wondering. More complicated, more expensive, but quieter & only slightly more fuel efficient.
Iam a serious brp fan.. and really like these new sleds handling. But when I looked at wide tracks it's between expedition skandic or vk540. At least on the 540 I can change a darn spark plug
I'll have to update this video: after removing the upper bodywork a few times, I can have this hood off in 5 mins and it gives me better access to the internal components than the classic front-hinged design.
Thank you for a very nicely done video
I hope you found it helpful. You may also enjoy the 'Ice Scratcher Installation' video on this very sled: ruclips.net/video/7PkPPeE5xvI/видео.html
I wish the 2022 Expeditions would have kept that body work. I spring ordered an Expedition and a Renegade (both 600efi), and the Renegade (same upper body as your 2021), is way easier to work on than my newly designed Expedition upper body.
Interesting. I noticed that the brochure no longer specified 'narrow body work' on the Expy 600 EFI. I suspect they're trying to differentiate it from the sportier machines - with the narrow body work, the Expedition was basically somewhere in between the Backcountry and the Summit.
On the positive side, your wide bodywork should accommodate the radiator with electric fan for additional cooling if you ever want to go that route!
@@mop1471 I heard you could install a 20" track also, but can't confirm on the 2022. Great vid btw, I will be getting a Sport Expedition also.
Some Expeditions are available with 20" wide or even 24" wide tracks. I don't know if the tunnels are wider to fit these tracks. I've heard reviewers talk about how wide the SWT versions are, but it's unclear to me if they're literally talking about the tunnel width, or just the handling of a snowmobile with 24" wide track...
Awesome video man. How the sled handle in the trail?
Handles very well, even on the non-maintained trails I have access to.
Check out my 'first impressions' video here for more: ruclips.net/video/nvgm1mTYt7c/видео.html
When I first mounted the sled, I sat so high, and it feels so narrow, that I was worried it would be tippy. But the centre of gravity is so low that it isn't. Took me an hour or so to get accustomed to the sled and to start to trust it. While riding, I do find myself shifting my weight around a fair bit, much more so than on classic, non-rider-forward designs.
@@mop1471 yeah I saw that after this one lol. Can you do a vid on how the rear section of the skid works with the locking pin and what not
I'm planning to do just that! Need some deep power do do it right.
Murphy's law: the year I buy a new sled, Northern Ontario isn't getting snow while Madrid gets their biggest snowfall in 60 years.
Maybe I'll make a short vid showing operation of the lockout feature and handling characteristics on hard-packed snow.
My wife got the exact same sled this year we got the wide ski skins on it too
@@Gendronk How is she enjoying it?
Unfortunately, I only put about 100kms on mine so far. We haven't gotten much snowfall and I'm not even sure I could get to the trails in the current conditions.
where is the battery located?
Just under the back of the seat.
Well great video but these new sleds suck for maintenance! give me the days when you could just lift the hood and work on it. Anytime you have to undo multiple electrical connectors you are going to start having issues that is fact dealt with it already on several sleds
To avoid problems down the line, I've been applying dielectric grease liberally to every connector I encounter. This should lubricate the contacts for easier maintenance in the future, but also to reduce wear when disconnecting.
@@mop1471 Yes that comes with a risk also. Some will disagree but this is fact learned the hard way. You should never apply dielectric to electrical contact surfaces as it is an insulator not conductor. It will actually cause a plugged connection to not work properly. Again I know many use it and it is great stuff used correctly but not on a contact surface.
I don't disagree at all. Professionally, I design computers for industrial vehicles. We had some problems with connectors corroding, so we did the math and determined that applying dielectric grease, even to contact surfaces, will solve more problems than it creates.
One of the reasons for this is because we've over-rated connectors by 99%. So a max 30mA circuit will use a 3A connector. Since we only need 1% of the contact surface, the dielectric grease won't degrade the connection enough to cause electrical problems, but it does solve corrosion problems! (It's worth noting that we can't use 'appropriately' sized connectors because a connector rated for 100mA will be far too small and delicate to survive the industrial environment, so we must use larger connectors with stronger mechanical properties.)
I suspect Ski-Doo does something similar. I see a lot of Molex connectors under the Ski-Doo hood, rated for 20A+ per pin, and they're powering circuits that can't possibly draw anywhere near that kind of current (with the possible exception of the headlights.)
do you mind telling me where you are located
Northern Ontario
@@mop1471 I hope you mean at least NBay or Sudbury lol
Yep! All of these videos were shot between Killarney and Wanapitei lake.
Great work nice video!!!
Thanks John! Wanted to create a guide for people installing accessories and servicing their own machines!
Range?
It’s still in break-in, and the manual says it runs rich until break-in is done. So I can’t really say yet. I’m expecting about 300 kms per tank if I can behave myself.
@@mop1471 200 km would be a better number.