Color filled plaque on CNC using Oramask

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  • Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2024

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  • @cliffart7398
    @cliffart7398 4 года назад +4

    After 4 years of research and consideration between a laser engraver and cnc router, and watching hundreds of videos, including yours, I finally decided to invest into the Shapeoko 3 XXL. I got the machine a few weeks ago and have been experimenting with carbide create and VCare Pro. I didn't want to learn how to just do signs but also wanted to start learning to do 3d carving. I made a lot of errors, luckily on scrap wood/plywood and learned a lot about how do do things in different orders. The big problems with videos seems that many producers treat you like you already know how to do a lot of stuff already (because they do it by memory). I write all this to preface my main point. Your videos are actually the best I have found as you actually show and explain some of the minor details that without knowing I would continue to try to figure out. For example, in your Michael sign video, you explain how to use the software and what the settings actually mean and do. You also showed something no one else has even mentioned but I figured out on my own (but was never sure if it was right) setting Z depth when changing tools. Seems like common sense, but not everyone has that. The one thing I am confused about involves loading tool paths. If I load them separately, do I have to re-establish x,y, and z each time or is the location where the tool stops after hitting continue maintaining the x,y, location?
    You are my go to for everything. I followed your waste board video as my first make.
    Great Job! with these and all your explanations.

  • @michaelwade897
    @michaelwade897 4 года назад +18

    I run my carving 1/16 deeper then run it through a thickness planer. No bleed over.

  • @PaganWizard
    @PaganWizard 5 лет назад +27

    Your issue here was most likely caused by very soft wood, sealing the wood before and after using the CNC, prior to applying the paint, would have prevented the bleeding. I would also suggest using an inexpensive soft rubber roller to press the mask onto the wood for better adhesion.

    • @richardbaynes3862
      @richardbaynes3862 3 года назад +1

      I second sealing the wood before applying paint mask as well as the carved areas...I’ve used Oramask 813 for years

    • @Todestelzer
      @Todestelzer Год назад

      I would apply 1-2 clear coats before applying the color. But the masking tape helps to have less of a mess and cleaner cut outs.

  • @KeithOlson
    @KeithOlson 4 года назад +4

    Nice video. Here are some things that I've seen others do:
    1. Spray the wood with water to raise the grain, then let it dry and use a scraper instead of sandpaper for a better finish.
    2. Seal the wood with a clear, very low-viscosity epoxy, which will soak deeply into the wood and keep it from absorbing paint/etc. (This can be done both before carving and after.)
    3. Push the vinyl with a straightedge (Hard rubber if you can find it, plastic or wood if you can't, metal only if nothing else is available). This will apply even force across the entire width, preventing wrinkles/bubbles/etc.
    4. Place your piece on a lazy susan to make it easy to spray from different directions.
    5. If you carve deeper, you can mill the surface perfectly flat.
    Hope these help!

  • @bubbasworkshop6910
    @bubbasworkshop6910 5 лет назад +2

    I use Oracal 631.Before I paint I use a clear shelac to seal the edge between the wood and the vinyl, so no bleed thru. Works great. Love your vids.

  • @1bigslug
    @1bigslug 4 года назад +3

    Great video! I appreciate when things don't go perfect that is a real-world video.

  • @jimhester2004
    @jimhester2004 5 лет назад

    Another great video. I have a roll of Oramask, but haven't tried it yet. I've read that when you don't have a second person, it helps to stand at the narrow side of the piece and use a plastic putty knife to smooth out the wrinkles and bubbles before very much of the mask is adhered. It also gives you more control over how much of the mask is unrolling at a time because you're gently pushing the roll away from you. From there on, it goes on a lot smoother. That's the theory, anyway. Thanks for all you do.

  • @dmatthews251
    @dmatthews251 5 лет назад +4

    To prevent the bleeding into the work around your cuts, first spray a clear-coat, let it dry and then spray your color. The clear-coat will seal up the wood and prevent any bleeding! Learned this the hard way doing some multi-color signs a few years back. Since then I have NEVER had issues with paint bleed.

    • @gthmcty111
      @gthmcty111 5 лет назад

      Thanks for that tip, tried your method and sure enough....NO BLEEDS!!

  • @funkeeefresh
    @funkeeefresh 2 года назад

    Wanna say I really appreciate your videos. You have picked up a solid skill-level on the CNC and your ability to share that with us is exceptional! I don't even use the same type of machine or the same software but I'm able to take lessons still from your experience and examples here. Please keep doing more stuff to keep us entertained because you're really good at it. I also couldn't pass up the chance to call out the irony of you half-assing a sign that literally tells you never to do that...bravo brother! All in good fun, I really needed to see how these sheets work with painting signs and this video did not disappoint. Also, I got a lot out of your other video on setting up a wasteboard, best one on RUclips by far and I've watched dozens of them. Thanks again!

  • @henryvaughn6295
    @henryvaughn6295 5 лет назад +4

    agree with several of the other post. use sanding sealer on the soft woods and apply paint in thinner coats. Oracal 631 is good and not expensive.

  • @patrickcorkrin8645
    @patrickcorkrin8645 5 лет назад

    It's the Poplar causing the bleeding, I too figured it out the hard way using soft wood, but dang that wood is so cheap. That's why I like your channel--you are a "try it, goof it, try it again, goof it again, and so on" kind a guy. It's called a learning process for a reason. Keep it up with the vid's and ignore the asses. I did not get my CNC to compete with the rest of the world and sure as hell could care less what other people think, but when I run into a problem that's kicking my ass, cost or time or hard work will never get in my way till I figure it out. Love your stuff dude, keep it up!!

  • @djh1765
    @djh1765 4 года назад

    Something I came across to help clean up the fuzz off your carving instead of sandpaper was using my sandblasting cabinet with the smaller glass beads. Does an nice job on the small crevices and holes. It will roughen the wood if you stay close on one place for too long. Saves a ton of time, especially on soft fibrous woods.

  • @tanbeachman
    @tanbeachman 5 лет назад

    Don't be afraid to reset your z height slightly lower and re-run the cut file (before you remove from the CNC)... this will help you get those details deep enough to account for the masking and help prevent them from sanding away so easily. Lighter coats spread over more time also help reduce bleeding if you're not clear coating prior to paint. One last thing, the masking method you used here works great for color filling acrylic.

  • @j.5043
    @j.5043 5 лет назад +4

    I agree with below comments. I would definitely do another video, spraying a couple coats of clear sealer just before the black. I do cnc signs as well and this is definitely the way to go. Also, instead of ordering g on Amazon tou can also buy vinyl wall paper at Walmart in a pinch. That's what I use because I hate waiting on shipping.

  • @georgechambers3197
    @georgechambers3197 5 лет назад

    I've used transfer tape for my 15 years in the sign business. After carving use some sort of clear coat where you carved it will seal the edges so there will be no bleed when you paint on your color coat. I like Zinzer's Shellac in a spray can. Try it you'll like not having to sand out the bleeding! Thanks for the video!

    • @stufftokeepyouentertained2168
      @stufftokeepyouentertained2168  5 лет назад

      I am definately going to try spraying like everyone has said. I don't think I have ever seen that brand of shellac around here. I'll have to look a little closer next time I go to the store.

  • @pianoz4u1
    @pianoz4u1 5 лет назад +5

    What has worked for me is spraying with very light coats where there is not wet saturation.. good luck.

  • @darrellsaturnbigfoot
    @darrellsaturnbigfoot 3 года назад

    Never totally wet the surface applying one heavy coat of paint. Far more effective applying 4-5 very very light coats. No chance for paint to bleed through the grain, soft or hardwood. Also no sealer coat required 😊. I enjoy your videos

  • @grantlesueur
    @grantlesueur 5 лет назад +1

    The way you stop the bleed is you lay down you varnish or a base color first. This seals the masking edges then use the fill color.

  • @garypapineau4148
    @garypapineau4148 4 года назад

    If you prefinish then lightly sand to make it smooth, use a laminate roller to press the vinyl to make sure it is evenly stuck to wood you will avoid the bleeding. I've been using this method for quite some time. using Oracal contact paper,It's really helpful when using multiple colors. also when using soft wood spray it with varnish after after you machine to seal the wood so paint won't soak into the porous grain.

  • @hoofty37
    @hoofty37 5 лет назад

    Great video, I do the same process but I like to use the paper transfer tape. It's about half the price of vinyl. I also seal soft woods with a coat or two of spray on shellac or Deft lacquer before painting. Really reduces the bleeding.

  • @BrianHeplerSasquatch
    @BrianHeplerSasquatch 4 года назад

    Heh. Your commentary is pretty much identical to my mumblings while I'm in my shop. So now I know what to expect. Thanks!

  • @oscarstone8493
    @oscarstone8493 4 года назад

    Very good video. Learned lots. It saves me time of experimenting on my own.

  • @fo22estgump57
    @fo22estgump57 3 года назад

    I'm new to cnc but I have a lot of experience spray painting over vinyl. The trick is multiple light layers to prevent bleeding.

  • @adamcaplinger3081
    @adamcaplinger3081 4 года назад

    With the rolled things with peel off backing...before applying, reroll the piece opposite the way it came after you cut off the roll. it makes it easier to apply.

  • @stevegronsky8904
    @stevegronsky8904 5 лет назад

    I've used a similar mask on poplar. First I applied 2 LIGHT coats of clear shellac. I then applied the mask and did the V Carving. I then applied a HEAVY coat of clear shellac. Once dried, I sprayed the desired color. I had virtually no bleeding at all.

    • @stufftokeepyouentertained2168
      @stufftokeepyouentertained2168  5 лет назад +1

      I thought about spraying after the carving and not before. I'll have to do some testing. Thanks for the reply.

    • @TimothyArmstrongamblixVR
      @TimothyArmstrongamblixVR 5 лет назад

      You put 2 light coats over the entire thing, and then a heavy coat on the vcarve itself??

    • @stevegronsky8904
      @stevegronsky8904 4 года назад

      @@TimothyArmstrongamblixVR Yessir, that's exactly what I did and I had ZERO bleeding.

  • @RebelRob34
    @RebelRob34 4 года назад

    We also love Parks & Rec, especially the earlier seasons. Ron Swanson is the man.

  • @garynorwalt6140
    @garynorwalt6140 3 года назад

    The bleeding is most likely happening because the grain is soaking up the paint. I switched to regular house paint because the spay paint seems to be too thin. I havent had trouble with bleeding since then. Sealing the wood probably would do the same thing.

  • @clarkstevens2711
    @clarkstevens2711 3 года назад

    You can try using acrylic water based paint to fill your letters with a paintbrush that does not bleed into the grains like your spray lacquers do ever since I started using acrylic to fill letters I have no more bleeds

  • @TheProjectHelpDesk
    @TheProjectHelpDesk 2 года назад

    I totally agree with the fonts issue. The world has way too many fonts to select from!

  • @peterlabat1527
    @peterlabat1527 4 года назад

    Parks N Rec in the back! That's my jam

  • @4-6-3DP
    @4-6-3DP 5 лет назад +1

    Nice video!
    But now I have an urge to go binge watch Parks and Recreation! Man I miss that show

  • @woodbutcher3887
    @woodbutcher3887 5 лет назад

    thanks for showing the two methods, great job at putting the vid together

  • @cutflower36
    @cutflower36 4 года назад

    thats some good stuff, turned out good. good tips

  • @j.hankinson7803
    @j.hankinson7803 5 лет назад +1

    May get less bleeding with a thicker acrylic paint instead of a very thin spray paint. Thanks for posting.

  • @bullswoodworks8398
    @bullswoodworks8398 4 года назад +1

    I couldnt help but get into the tv show in the background. nice Shop BTW. I got the joke BTW 2. LOL.

  • @Carpenters_Canvas
    @Carpenters_Canvas Год назад

    Its wicking into the wood grain, the best practice for spraying is to use shelack, coat it a couple times before spraying.

  • @Tj-oq2lw
    @Tj-oq2lw 5 лет назад

    Thanks man, idk where you live in Texas, but here it’s just dry heat so I have a small window evaporative cooler that helps with the 110 heat coming up!

  • @stevescustomcarving1175
    @stevescustomcarving1175 5 лет назад

    Hey Stuff. Another great video. I do a lot of sign carving. Any wood will bleed if too much paint is sprayed. I use sanding sealer on Pine but not poplar. Pine bleeds like crazy. Looks like you might have over sprayed. Oramask is great stuff. The bleeding was not likely due to the mask.

  • @robertprice9052
    @robertprice9052 4 года назад

    I have found if I spray a coat or two of poly first the mask sticks better and it hardly ever bleeds. And yeah, I hate picking fonts as well. I have started doing my fonts in PowerPoint and saving as a jpg, then open it in Inkscape to turn it into an svg. It gives me tons of fonts that are free downloads.

  • @douglaspollock102
    @douglaspollock102 2 года назад

    Have you tried hitting the Vcarve with some shellac or some sort of sealant to reduce bleed under the mask?

  • @chris011053
    @chris011053 2 года назад

    Bonjour,
    Je trouve votre systeme d'aspiration super !
    Avez vous un lien pour l'acheter ?
    Merci

  • @JANDLWOODWORKING
    @JANDLWOODWORKING 5 лет назад

    I think if you would have done your seal on it first like before and then masked it you would have been fine. I like the idea seems to work just fine. Love the videos keep them coming!

  • @AnthonyBowman
    @AnthonyBowman 5 лет назад +5

    "Working with a big piece of wood like this, you might want a helper..."
    TWSS!

  • @mikemireles2804
    @mikemireles2804 4 года назад

    That's The shit . Super badass bro . Keep posting those videos man

  • @hooviedoovie
    @hooviedoovie 5 лет назад

    Get a large plastic putty tool to use when applying the oramask stencil material. Helps to smooth it out with no air bubbles.

  • @mibranditnow
    @mibranditnow 3 года назад

    Could you provide information on the font and bit you used?

  • @imextradeco.6689
    @imextradeco.6689 3 года назад

    Before applying the masking sheet, spray the wood with a sealer, then carve it with a CNC and seal the cut grooves with clear lacquer to prevent bleeding before applying the black. Then why not remove the masking sheet and sand the surface with a sander? Sorry for the strange English. English is my second language.(Machine translation)

  • @SpwnDragn
    @SpwnDragn 3 года назад

    I can’t get ora to stay down, I’ve had it pull up off my material every time and couple times it wrapped up the bit so I’ve quit using it. :(

  • @greevous
    @greevous 5 лет назад +5

    The TV in the background is very distracting, and may cause problems with copyright for you just a thought, great video and I enjoy your other videos thank you for your hard work. using a hot air gun can help with applying vinyl especially if the surface isn't flat, it allows you to stretch and to a lesser extent compress.

    • @stufftokeepyouentertained2168
      @stufftokeepyouentertained2168  5 лет назад +2

      Thanks for watching Dale. I don't usually play anything on the TV other than the screensaver, but I guess nobody got the joke on this one. The last video I made about operating the touch probe I wore a Ron Swanson T-Shirt. In this video I had parks and recreation playing on the TV which is where the quote from the plaque came from. Hopefully that doesn't violate any copyright rules. Thanks for the info about using the hot air gun. I'll have to try it sometime.

    • @4-6-3DP
      @4-6-3DP 5 лет назад +1

      stufftokeep youentertained I got the joke as soon as carving began. Nice touch

  • @ILC-eo6vk
    @ILC-eo6vk 3 года назад

    I like blue painters tape and green frog tape to prevent bleeding

  • @Jaguaresmtb
    @Jaguaresmtb 3 года назад

    fabulous machine, what is it? I am interested in acquiring one, could you tell me, please

  • @cliffart7398
    @cliffart7398 4 года назад +1

    have you thought about using shellac before applying the mask?

  • @marsharn53
    @marsharn53 5 лет назад

    Thanks for the demo comparisons!

  • @marknantais8283
    @marknantais8283 5 лет назад

    Great video,I really learned a lot.Thanks

  • @Whois2440
    @Whois2440 5 лет назад

    Great video. I’ve heard if you spray clear let it dry and then spray black that stops the bleeding.

    • @stufftokeepyouentertained2168
      @stufftokeepyouentertained2168  5 лет назад +1

      I think that's the key when using softer woods. If I were using walnut or pecan or something I bet it wouldn't bleed. Pine poplar oak stuff like that definitely could use a sealer before paint.

    • @satxsatxsatx
      @satxsatxsatx 5 лет назад

      @@stufftokeepyouentertained2168 my first thought, too, I clear layer will bleed invisibly, but try it on test piece to see if the bleeding really invisible. reverse of a car, clear coat THEN color coat :)
      when spraying the inclined faces of v-grooves, what about inclining the spray 45 degrees to L moving L to R, the incline R, move R to L ?

    • @hoofty37
      @hoofty37 5 лет назад

      You are right about the clear bleeding, if you try to stain the piece after painting it won't take color evenly next to the lettering. I have had this issue. I also recommend using the same clear for finishing that you used for sealing.

  • @brianray5577
    @brianray5577 5 лет назад

    Great video. I’ve been wondering how that would work. Fairly new to CNC, shapeoko 3xl here. I’ve watched all your videos, they have inspired a few of my own projects. I think I’m going to try this next, maybe with some pre-stain sealer first. If it works, I’ll let you know. Keep the videos coming!

  • @warreng3142
    @warreng3142 2 года назад

    hi, just curious, what v bit did you use?? as I like all the different fonts and sizes

  • @sgtcrtrdnl
    @sgtcrtrdnl 5 лет назад

    some kind of clear coat, or a couple layers of thin shellac would get rid of the bleeding. Good vids man, def enjoy them.

  • @tectonico3d173
    @tectonico3d173 2 года назад

    Can this vinyl oramask, be used with laser? Or will it burn?

  • @brianmays1731
    @brianmays1731 3 года назад

    Might I suggest using a roller and paint than using spray paint. The reason being the ordinary paint is thicker

  • @DCDLaserCNC
    @DCDLaserCNC 5 лет назад

    Great video man! Thanks for sharing!

  • @boonehouston
    @boonehouston 4 года назад +1

    The clear coat trick works when you spray right over the auramask too. It'll seal the microscopic seam right up.
    Somebody already said that. Haha

  • @yesyoucandoit250
    @yesyoucandoit250 4 года назад

    Cool video, thanks for the tip! That was a pretty wet spray. Do you think some light layers of paint would be effective? Thanks again

  • @brentsnoddy7076
    @brentsnoddy7076 3 года назад

    Did the oramask mess up your bits and make them dirty?

  • @g-codeonedesign9578
    @g-codeonedesign9578 5 лет назад

    Use BEHR Deck paint or Deck stain and you wont have to seal it with clear or use Oramask, just sand it off . Only thing is BEHR is brush only you have to buy a sprayer to spray it. But its well worth it, will sand right off with minimal to NO bleeding, even on soft woods.... You're welcome.

  • @randyschumacher8778
    @randyschumacher8778 4 года назад

    I'm now to the world of CNC, and I'm trying techniques like this masking. This video was great to watch, and all the comments help with my plans for my next project. I have to ask, did you create the SVG of Ron yourself or did you find it somewhere. My wife loves the show and I'd like to try to make something for her with his image on it. Thanks.

  • @MrRenoman2011
    @MrRenoman2011 4 года назад

    Great video thanks buddy

  • @jamesadams2172
    @jamesadams2172 5 лет назад

    You’ll still get bleed with poplar if you just carve it, paint and sand. Need to seal first and after carving.

    • @BobbyCreech
      @BobbyCreech 5 лет назад

      that's what I was thinking seal first, but if you don't seal again after carving, then you could still get bleed from the letters.

  • @gottieification
    @gottieification 5 лет назад +4

    seal wood before carving and vinyl

  • @Warpfield
    @Warpfield 3 года назад

    Last video was over a year ago. What happened to you?

  • @dadzilla13
    @dadzilla13 5 лет назад

    Have not seen you in a while bud. I have a friend that was a Texas Game Warden and wants to use it as a rough draft for his logo. I’m new to this and having issues changing a jpeg he sent me to svg file that I can alter. Any advice? Thanks bro and keep up the good work

  • @jtr789310
    @jtr789310 3 года назад

    try using acrylic paint it thicker and won't bleed as bad you can get it at about any craft store

  • @DOESRightDesigns
    @DOESRightDesigns 4 года назад

    You could have reset your Z height and made it slightly deeper and ran it again to get those finer details to cut without having to try to hand do them. Just a tip for next time. Other that that great video.

  • @homeworxchannel4120
    @homeworxchannel4120 4 года назад

    Start with shellac then do your color. Works perfect.

  • @bluewookie41
    @bluewookie41 4 года назад

    Has anyone tried just plain old masking tape for a small project?

  • @NeoMorphUK
    @NeoMorphUK 5 лет назад

    Instead of sanding why don’t you spray the plaque, let it dry, then put it back in the cnc (using the masking tape and superglue method so you don’t need clamps) and then use a surfacing cutter to take off a sliver off of the surface to remove the excess paint.
    If it’s missing cutting parts of the plaque it’s probably due to the plaque warping due to paint on one side... or it’s due to your bed needing a levelling skim. At any rate it’s better to take a slim skim off the surface to begin and then gradually increase it if you miss parts.
    I also find that tramming in the head of your cnc makes a big difference in the results... get it right and you hardly need to sand... just a gentle going over with a sanding foam block does it and then seal both sides with poly. Without tramming you can end up with shallow scallops in the surface (like my waste board looks like at the moment after I did some yearly maintenance work and I need to re-tram my carriage).

  • @DCDLaserCNC
    @DCDLaserCNC 5 лет назад

    Did you end up trying another one where you sealed it first? If so, did it stop the bleeding?

    • @stufftokeepyouentertained2168
      @stufftokeepyouentertained2168  5 лет назад +1

      Not yet. I will be making some signs over the next week or so, and I plan on trying it. I think the majority of the commenters so far have experience with that working pretty good though, so it sounds like the way to go.

    • @DCDLaserCNC
      @DCDLaserCNC 5 лет назад

      @@stufftokeepyouentertained2168 Sounds good! I need to give this a try. I've been making some signs recently and have been hand painting and it is just way too time consuming. Thanks again for sharing your video and keep up the great work.

  • @eitantal726
    @eitantal726 2 года назад

    Why use masking at all? Paint the whole thing, then sand the surface.

  • @STRIK3N
    @STRIK3N 4 года назад

    That shirt though 😎

  • @harryragland7840
    @harryragland7840 5 лет назад

    Do you get any gumming of the bit from the vinyl?

  • @MrRenoman2011
    @MrRenoman2011 4 года назад

    Thanks would it help if you rolled the vinyl down after the cut was done and. Fore spraying? Wonder if that would make a diff

  • @Warpfield
    @Warpfield 5 лет назад

    A coat of shellac would do wonders here.

  • @markhexamer
    @markhexamer 4 года назад

    to stop this bleeding paint some mod podge before you paint this seals and stops your bleeds

  • @AndrewMurphy8383
    @AndrewMurphy8383 Год назад

    oramask that you was using is a stenical mask not a full mask like you thought it was

  • @bobwilliams5506
    @bobwilliams5506 3 года назад

    Wrong tool for that font. Smaller diameter straight bit would have carved the letters completely. Thanks for the vid.

  • @Carl-bu8in
    @Carl-bu8in 4 года назад

    Anyone else hear a little of Ron Swanson in his voice? :P

  • @mtz3843
    @mtz3843 3 года назад

    just carve deeper and then the bleed can be sanded right off

  • @Lexst1
    @Lexst1 3 года назад +1

    Please turn off the TV for the vids.

  • @lwaring1826
    @lwaring1826 4 года назад

    Oramask 811 or 813

  • @Burley_Pepper_Co.
    @Burley_Pepper_Co. 2 года назад

    Shellac before Oramask

  • @SullivanFamilyChaos
    @SullivanFamilyChaos 4 года назад

    tip use a credit card to smooth it out

    • @SullivanFamilyChaos
      @SullivanFamilyChaos 4 года назад

      another tip is after you carve it spray it with poly then paint it it will give it a layer between the paint and the wood

  • @kevoman2020
    @kevoman2020 4 года назад +1

    please turn off the TV, very distracting.

  • @dirkwhoward
    @dirkwhoward Год назад

    The TV running in the background is annoying.

  • @Happyfingcampers
    @Happyfingcampers 5 лет назад

    Cheap painters tape works just as well

  • @mikes1330
    @mikes1330 2 года назад

    turn off the TV - it's quite distracting

  • @terryspross1484
    @terryspross1484 3 года назад

    Worse thing to use is your hand. Use somethin flat

  • @davekolp4552
    @davekolp4552 2 года назад

    Could you please make your videos longer? I like wasting my time.

  • @MH-mt4no
    @MH-mt4no Год назад

    Awkward to watch, Great vid on what and how not to do.