Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa | Has It Aged Well? ft. Snayhil Aneja
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- This week on 'Has It Aged Well?' we're discussing a beloved 90s classic and one of Shah Rukh Khan's early films: Kundan Shah's 'Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa' starring Shah Rukh, Suchitra Krishmnamoorthy, Deepak Tijori and Naseeruddin Shah amongst many others. Joining Abbas and Urjita making his 5th appearance on the show is crowd favourite Snayhil Aneja. Topics discussed include: The ideal 'underdog' character, the somewhat dubious accents in the film, the fantastic music, what is the r/niceguys phenomena? and should KHKN should have been a gangster movie instead?
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In my head, I have often seen myself as a guest on this podcast. And this is the film I've chosen to discuss. Really glad today!
Guys ,the sequal to kabhi Han kabhi na is already made.
The movie is called anjaam ,where Shahrukh Khan is pursuing wife of Deepak Tijori and ends up killing Deepak Tijori in the process .
27:26 Abbas is right about SRK winning the popular choice award for Baazigar and the critics’ choice award for Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa in 1994. The Filmfare jury chose to award SRK for Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa despite it being unreleased at that point in time. He was nominated the next year for the same film in the popular choice category (but lost to the overwhelming favourite, Nana Patekar, for Krantiveer).
One of the best underrated SRK movie
What Sunil did is something many boys would do to get his crush during his school days due to naiveness, but the movie also showed that sunil made mistakes and got punished for it..
the movie's far ahead of its times, in my opinion. the platonic relationships shown are so refreshing. anna as the only female member of the gang has the respect and support of the male members. Sunil is shown as a refreshingly 'human' protagonist. isn't over the top bad or good...just very 'human'. movie doesn't have a stereotypically happy ending. i also somehow feel goans aren't shown as poorly as they usually were, in bollywood at the time.
My god why is this now a detailed discussion on r/niceguys. I would have even been interested in it had I willingly come here to hear it. But I'm here to listen to people talk about the film, edit kar dete thoda yaar bahot lamba ho gaya
Envious of Abbas having vivid childhood memories of 35mm projections at the cinema. Early 90s color Bollywood on film!
With Urjita on this one. The character was grey. It's a grown-ass character - not innocent, not bachha or bechara - made his choices. It doesn't make him a villain, but doesn't absolve him of his guilt, either. And it's a good thing actually that he was a grey character. Real people are grey. White or black toh sirf zebra crossing hoti hai!
I think the correct term is flawed character.
He could've have been called grey if he had been scheming and plotting it all. Every step he takes was very impulsive and pretty much improvised. And the fact that he lets Anna go in the end shows his growth over the film.
Sunil is a flawed character who lies a lot but is nice, not negative or grey. He is very close to reality as many of us have met such people in real life. Such characters are in fact rare in Bollywood and that’s where this film hits a home run. The closest I can think about is Hunterr where the main lead is flawed but again a nice person.
I would double feature 500 days of summer with Kabhi Haan Kabhi Na
We often talk alot about serendipity , 500 days of summer and many love story based movies from the west. But this movie, to me is one of the best live story based movies hindi cinema has produced. Rarely I like SRK’s movie but the plot, acting and relationship dynamics this movie shows is just amazing!
I have watched this movies countless times and everytime l find it fresh and ahead of its time
43:03 : delhi boy said the most delhi boy thing ever. just because a girl talks to you nicely, it does NOT mean she likes you romantically. "bhaav dey rahi thi" bolke misbehaviour justify karte rehte hain ladke. "i picked her up" "we hung out so much" blah blah - like urjita says, it's basic friendship stuff! not a means to an end
It was honestly quite ridiculous of Abbas saying towards the end that SRK's character slut shaming the actress was okay just because it came from a "good intent" and because he had "exhausted all other options". That's the excuse stalkers give man, that's the excuse the morons give who slit their wrists to "get the girl". Just because someone apologized does not mean they didn't do it in the first place. Of course they're better off than someone doing something shitty and not even feeling remorse, but they aren't absolved just because they apologized. And that's why Urjita's characterizarion of him as Grey was spot on. There are shades of grey. Yes, SRK was grey in Baazigar, but that was a darker shade of grey. Just because SRK in KHKN wasn't murdering people doesn't mean he was completely innocent. He was also grey, just more on the lighter side.
I hope Abbas didn't resort to this nonsense in his younger days, it felt that he was projecting a lot. And even if he did, I hope he sees how wrong it was.
This is my favorite SRK film!
it’s so nice to see Snayhil again! 😭
I know
He does have a new podcast on the youtube channel 'filmy colada' which has the original pop wrap gang back for its first episode
@@yashkulkarni4080 dekha bhai
@@yashkulkarni4080 omg thank you!!!
It’s definitely a product of its time given that this late 80s-early 90s simple vibe doesn’t carry for the people who didn’t watch it then, even if it’s close to our hearts. Abbas rating this higher than QSQT is the same as Imran Khan not finding Qsqt dated
Urjita ko jab bhi dekhta hu aisa lagta hai CA Rachna Ranade young hokar aa gayi hai.
37:52 Yes they are and they have a kid now. They met on the set of a TV show.
Podcasts me precaps ki kya jarrurt hoti hai? Anyone who is clicking knows it’s a conversational video & will stay at least for 10 minutes
my favorite film of all time
Its one of my favorite movies and yes I also watched this in the theatre, Abbas! :)
My most favourite SRK movie...and as per the internet it's also SRK's favourite as well.....there is no better movie than KHKN
My absolute favourite SRK movie. SRK said it was his favourite one too, in an interview. I was pleasantly surprised
Let’s settle on light gray - ‘Pantone Cool Gray 1CP’
Was thinking just this all through! Light grey it is!
"Tum chicken khaati ho" caught me off guard 😂
What an amazing Social-Psychological discussion on this episode !!!!! Superb gys.....love it!
0:03 Juhi Charla rejected the main lead including aamir khan then in end he surely gets Juhi
Can you do an episode on "Raju Ban Gaya Gentleman"?
Kundan is not a nice guy at all. Maine koi aur Raanjhanaa dekhi hai phir. Sonam lead on aur use karti hai but Dhanush also stalks and blackmails with suicide, kuchh nice nahi hai. Anand L Rai's previous film Tanu Weds Manu is a better example for both the nice guy Urjita says and the portrayal Snehal talks about of someone doing nice things without expectations.
abbas's alternate ending is si funny! someone produce-direct it please
Please do for baazigar. I'm waiting
Abbas is the Bechara character here trying to defend Sunil as Not Grey.
Why does Urmila keep making ‘puch puch’ sound from her mouth every time she is trying to make a point ? Just count the number of times she does puch puch in any given episode.
Mera naam toh sahi se likh lo
@@urjitawani. You should be happy that I called you Urmila
Abass u are wrong, Sunil is a grey character, he may have not committed any crime, but he is a Liar and Cheater who fakes his marksheet also.....He wants a love of the girl by cheating with her.....by manipulating love , rather than true love.......It was a good reason to cast SRK for this role....Best performance in his life ...LOVE SRK ....
am with you abbas!!! ye gen ko pata nahi pyaar ke liye had se guzar jana kya hota hia :P :P
Abbas, Koyla was not a big flop. Average tha. Itna conviction se mat bola karo.
Urjita was wrong about Raanjhana, Snayhil was right. Haan who bachpan ka fling tha jisko baad mein Zoya trivialise karti hai. But they had a teeny tiny fling, Zoya and Kundan have a romantic moment right before she finds out he is hindu.
Aur Abbas dost….urjita aur snayhil ne picture ki cuteness miss kar di. Your enthusiasm wasn’t shared. SRK is not a grey character, he is a flawed character…like all of us.
but aren't they the same? pls explain
Abbas hamara neta hai!! ...
@@navyasharmaayou are having a similar discussion with bijoybiswas on a separate thread. I agree with him.
Yay. Snaynil 🎉
Urjita being calm while abbas being a child and defending a movie he is clearly projecting himself in. Stay classy urjita.
If I wanted to watch people argue without listening to each other's opinions, I'd watch Arnab debates on TV. I come here for films.
I was 15 when movie was released and Abbas was 6 ... wondering why Abbas is looking older than me 😅
Bhai movie ka ek passion ko leke bhi perceptive tha, tumhe yaad dila rha hun
After very long time kuch achhi movie leke aaye ho.
People are not perfect Urjita. Kaha ho tum? The thing is Sunil's wrong doings are never justified in the movie, you as a viewer know that spreading fake rumours about Anna is not the right thing.
This is pure justification. Urjita only meant "galti chahe choti hi kyun na ho, galti GALTI hi hoti hai" and whose to say that sunil wouldn't do something like this in the future (and for the sake of sorry-ass redemption, he'll apologize again) or maybe he wouldn't. that's why it makes him a grey character.
but i'm maybe naive to completely disregard your opinion
@@navyasharmaa that kinda hypothetical presupposition wouldn't leave a single person out of the grey zone. Did he show signs of malice or an instance where he enjoys these things and doesn't feel guilty?
I know I've done my fair share of "galatis" and I'm ashamed of them but I can't change the past, I can only try to be better. Good people are capable of making mistakes.
And also it's a coming of age film, the crux of this genre is the protagonist making mistakes the try to be better upon realizing their mistakes as the film progresses.
@@bijoybiswas1932 that’s the thing - we’re all shades of grey. some are lighter versions and some darker. i can tell from my experience that my teenage behavioural patterns have had subtle but huge impact on how i lived my life in my 20s. There are things that i still get wrong even then and even now. Because a coming-of-age films has to end at simplistic, high note (generally optimistic), they miss out on this aspect. According to jesse armstrong (Writer of succession), people don’t really change. Hence, we find the sub text of succession so impactful. And, there’s ample of research in psychology that proves this very point. So, when urjita points that out, she ain’t wrong.
double feature - Darr
i think suni;'s character is an emotionally stunted guy who isnt savvy (jhaantu) and his grey ness is cos of that jhantu-ness and not cos he is a bad person. as guys growing up in the 90s, we never had the vocab to confess our feelings and that made our infatuations seem like "mohabbat" to us, for every girl we liked. mujhe crush hai, i like her but not like like her, i wanna date her, lets see where it goes ye sab thha hi nahin. so its that much more difficult to walk away from a girl. and a girl that hasnt explicitly said no. aur uske baad the child wala analogy works for his bad actions.
55:30 😂
1stly - this movie for me is just perfect.
2ndly - whatever Sunil did in this movie was to win over Anna and because he loves her so much that he can do anything for her. So to get her even if he has to ruin her name for him it’s fine. Coz he will still marry her.
3rdly - Shahrukh in this movie grows to be a successful guy with his talent by earning form the band and that shows that he’s poor but talented enough to take care of anything he wants in life.
So while there are flaws in the movie but srk’s character is not
That's such a male response. Had you been able to put yourself in Anna's shoes you'd have judged Sunil very differently
@@Stonytude again the movie has flaws but the character Sunil is just another regular guy, the movie is from his perspective not Anna’s. If our see Sunil does shit but he instantly feels like he’s done a sin and goes and confesses. Don’t tell me you have sinned and asked for forgiveness, by your comment I sure you haven’t loved anyone like Sunil has.
This kind of wokism is damaging the global cinema industry. They want movies to be sanitized according to their perspective. Films should be appreciated for their stories and technical aspects. Movies reflect the realities of the world.
Well Said
this actually saddens me because there are people who think that learning from the mistakes or wrongdoings of someone, calling it out and becoming better is labelled undrr this hideous term "wokism". Throughout the episode, they appreciated all the good as well. And films are a reflection of society (in a sub textual way i know but still) therefore, we must observe these things keenly and when given chance talk about their opinion.
15:25 😂😂
Stereotyping by Rujuta is not cool- Delhi bias
KOYLA was an average grosser had record opening check boxofficeindia
khkn was a hit
abass tereko ghanta knowledge hai boxoffice ke bareme