Warhammer 3 Khorne is Overpowered Explained
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Total War: Warhammer 3 gameplay of Khorne. Explaining his mechanics in detail and how is the the most busted faction of the new Total War: Warhammer 3 races. This is Total War (declare war on everyone) stream to follow.
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I am Really hyped for this one. Will we be the first to witness Legend using more than 3 melee units in an army?
Bestigors doomstack strongly disagree
:D
Oops, all skull cannons
Skeleton doom stack.
Dragon ogre shaggoth doomstack.
Necrosphinx doom stack.
He messes with more melee units than he cares to admit.
*Edit: Good God, people, this comment was just to make a fucking point. Get off my ass about the differences between melee monster units and melee infantry units. I don’t need the lecture.
Seriously, melee units needed some loving in tw wh. I'm excited to try out Khorne when game releases.
Each chaos god has their own lore of magic, and then there's Khorne, smashing his own sword on top of people's heads.
The blood god doesn’t need some fancy magic trick, a true warrior kill his enemies himself.
@@florians9949 Whats his opinion on nukes and WMD?
@@dean_l33 Boring probably
@@swordchronicle But does it still counts?
@@dean_l33 Khorne: I AM THE WMD!
it makes sense that its op but i don't even mind, its just mindless battle after battle after battle, which can be fun sometimes. The more variations in gameplay the better. not every faction needs to be super complex to play
Yeah its nice to have your Khornes and your Skavens or vampire counts. Especially since its a new release so maybe some more players will like the game
i agree, it is suppuse to snowball like this
You know..I really hope they use the third game as a way to fix Nakai, thats his whole backstory, hes the demon slaying gator, maybe he has a unique debuff on Demon units? Or maybe a buff, something that could lead to a rework.
Maybe they fix all horde factions after the Beastmen blueprint
@@PenguinIceDelta id be glad to see it, maybe even stretch it to giving Markus Wulfhart some tlc.
@@lukascreech3229 don't get crazy, fuck that "it puts the lotion on the skin" serial killer
@@PenguinIceDelta hey, just cause id like to see his campaign not be a shitshow doesnt mean i prefer to steamroll him as the lizardmen 24/7
@@lukascreech3229 beatings will continue until morale improves 😅
When Khorne finds out his forces in TW3 are stronger on a strategy map than in actual combat, his roars of rage will herald the End Times.
Legend: Khorne is overpowered.
Me: wait, Khorne didn't have magic and archers, wtf?
Legend: Khorne is also very weak on the actual battlefield, he always needs the numerical advantage to win
Me: oh, that's how it is.
Yes, it's quite the caveat.
I love the new way lords and heros are marked during the battle. Instead of them just having the same flags as everyone else, you have their portrait along with their level. Very easily readable and conveys all needed information at a glance, exactly what it needs to do.
On the same note I initially disliked the "Zzz" on idle units, watching it now it's very easy to notice and I'm starting to like it, serves it's purpose really well.
Good job CA.
The zzz on units in huge melee blobs in particular is nice, since it can be hard to tell if a unit is doing nothing, or waiting its turn.
it can also be disabled if its breaking immersion
Skarbrand's weapons to Skarbrand after he killed the enemy Lord: That still only counts as one!
Whats interesting is how it seems that pre-battle speeches are back as well, albeit when the battle itself starts, rather than actually before the battle. I noticed that with the Daemon Prince fights
It seems like the general speeches in Rome 2
@@ryanschmidt3319 i'm hoping since the daemon prince is customisable, that it'll be a lot more rome 1 - ie. dependent on traits
Man when you got a crazy general the speeches were hilarious
It's like the speeches in Rome 2 I think ^^
I noticed that in a campaign with Cathay, and Miaoling made two different speeches (didn't really understood them though ith the streamer talking XD).
I would like a proper focus on them tbh, like the old games. Having the battle start means you have no time to listen to it.
Love to see this. Taurox was similar, where Beasts are usually kind of dull, but his campaign was absolutely hilarious.
Am actually pleased a melee faction is considered op
On the campaign map. Not in battle
@@theStamax I just watched an video of Skarbrand soloing an entire army with 3k WD.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Their magic was considered the best lore in TWW2. Magic made vampires strong, not their melee units
I kind of expected that tbh. He's got no ranged or magic options, so playing him on very hard battle difficulty would be absolutely miserable if he wasn't at least a little busted in melee.
@@Okamikirby but they now need serious help in the mortal empires map since infinite casting is gone
I hope they do not nerf the mechanics. Like this you can play a melee army and actually have loats of fun and since its singleplayer it dosent matter if its busted or not.
Mod it however you like bro
@@jjakariasman2545 just shit out whichever mod you want to see and play bro. totally brooo
@@god0fgames100 sorry? I know there a lot of good mods for quality of life features but the only mod I would play are the race ones when tww has no more content
Hes busted in multiplayer too 😂
Honestly, I am looking forward to playing all chaos factions.
But the one I am propably most interested in is Nurgle
Who would have thought the god of murder and bloodshed might be overpowered.
Certainly not those nerdy tzeentch fanboys lol
@@LuzikArbuzik77 You don't need to be OP if you can force Order factions to fight each other
@@indrickboreale7381 spoken like a tru Tzeentchbro
I certaintly didn't expect him to be weakest at actual battles. Campaign superiority should belong to Tzench, battle one to Khorn, diplomatic one to Slanesh and settlement building to Nurgle.
Or the most powerful God in the setting...
Saw this coming a mile away and I'm totally on board with it, a melee race having viability and fun mechanics on higher difficulties? sign me the fuck up
12:27
Finally, we can truly have the staunch line of melee infantry we've always wanted, not quite spears but close enough
You know something is strong when he says OP and not cheese
I was like "damn this faction is OP" but then I looked at the turn counter in the corner... bruh this busted af for turn 12, lvl 18 legendary lord and armies galore. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD.
Never have I thought I'ld ever see the words "Khorne" and "Overpowered" in the same sentence... It's beautiful...
Okay. I have tempered my expectaions and waited to see (So I'm not disappointed like I was with DoW3) and just for once a game seems to be living up to how good I wanted it to be. Great success ! Cheers Legend.
You haven’t witnessed the majesty of Skarbrand until you’ve gone done the weapon damage skill tree branch, which eventually gives him 3000 weapon strength at 100% stack (meaning 3-4 shooting most heroes and lords).
Khorne understands the power of recursion.
Hearing Legend explain to me that my most anticipated Chaos God and faction to play as is broken makes me so happy! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE, MATES!
Milk for the khorne flakes
Maim! Kill! Burn! MAIM! KILL! BURN!
I am excited for khorne as well. Even thou everybody was saying Khorne will be bad I still wanted to play this faction first. Thou I'm super excited for so many factions. This will be a long month
I was really worried that Khorne was going to be the punching bag of the game (bit like Norsca) but the opposite is true
Unga bunga faction good!
A melee focused faction with no magic being overpowered for once...
It's about damn time!
A success in and of itself
His killing power can go up to 3k (probably overkill) with the chainsword. Saw it on MilkandCookiesTW.
Killed Nakari in 4 hits.
I think that Khorne not being that good in battle is kind of a good thing. It makes the campaign feel more like a wave of chaos relentlessly hitting your enemies when combined with their campaign mechanics, just like I think Khorne should feel. You aren't outsmarting your enemy and tricking them into submission, you aren't finding ways to have the perfect counter to an enemy tactic or equipment, you are drowning them in blood and skulls until you win.
When he invaded the humans at lvl 35 everyone else was still like 20 or less . He murdered everyone and nearly took my whole army out when we joint attacked. It’s stupid crazy
That unholy manifestation can be used to gain movement after you're attacked, and if any enemy armies are nearby they'll come in as reinforcements so I've used it to wipe out armies that were too far away for me to attack myself. 🤣
Have you seen Indypride's video yet?
Khornate forces have access to a unique Chainsword weapon, which also has the "Slaughter & Carnage" ability, but instead of a 100% bonus cap on weapon and ap damage, it has a cap of 300%. Skarbrand can get this weapon pretty much in the beginning of the campaign during the first 5 turns in Khorne's domain.
In Indypride's campaign, Skarbrand ran amok on the battlefield with 3,2k weapon strength, 2-shotting heroes and 4-shotting N'kari arround turn 30. Considering that all of Skarbrand's fighter traits increase his weapon strength, I guess the limit would be more like 4 or 5k. That also means that Skarbrand basically becomes a 1-man-doomstack, allowing you to let him do the battles for you while you keep the rest of your army in reserve for sieges and the like, so you don't need to worry about replenishment that much.
Guess we'll see some nerfs for Khorne in the future. CA overdid his faction a little bit. :
I wonder how many skavenslave slingers it takes to kill him.
The rift don’t open till turn 30ish right, and khorne will take the weapon back if u enter other realms so better to take the weapon last
What’s not to like? They immediately get access to super armored chaos knights of khorne that have frenzy and a shield. Their first tier demon infantry is anti infantry and pretty beefy. A few turns after that and you get halberds also with frenzy. Really good khorne dogs that just get better with chariot and rider upgrades. You get a heavy metal motor bike that shoots gouts of fires and does donuts in blobs of enemies. It may not have ranged units but with all that armor a ranged ai army is going to have a rough time doing anything to your early game chaos knights especially with all the doggos and furries running/flying about. Also skarbrand is a beast.
Honestly, I feel like there were a lot of ways to better exemplify how Skarbrand is such a strong faction, especially more than saying his units are weak. I agree that he is really strong. His units are able to do pretty good in combat if you work them correctly, using your Chaos Warriors to hold a line while your Bloodletters punch their infantry with that cover, and using your Hounds and Furies to flank and disrupt their ranged units, plus using your AOE buffs and monstrous units to shred the enemy and keep your men alive. That survivability, plus their abilities of foreign replenishment, up to -50% global recruitment costs, and 1-turn global recruitment duration for basic infantry, as well as Skarbrand himself being an absolute menace to infantry, characters, cavalry, even enemies with charge defenses, what with life regeneration, magical fire attacks, terror, high speed, and multiple self-buffs.
I agree that he is super strong, with his biggest downsides being his high unit costs, and lack of unit varieties, but I still feel like the rest of those buffs make that up tenfold
the siege gameplay looks so much more nuanced and tactical. I didn’t hate sieges nearly as much as most did in WH2, but man this is a huge step up
Ascendency likelihood is based on relative amount of favour, armies and settlements a God controls, not random luck only.
Tzeentch: Listen, SONNY. You can't just run at an enemy! No, first you must flank, buff your forces and drain their morale!
Khorne: Ha ha, Axe go splat
I'm usually late to the stream, but I'm so hyped for TWWIII that for the first time I noticed there's a countdown at the beginning xp. Great as always legend!
NOBODY beforehand would have guessed that Khorne would be he most OP
I mean... the Blood Host thing sounded pretty ridiculous from the start, honestly its implementation in game is weaker than I was expecting (I wasn't expecting them to be full of top tier units or anything but I was expecting them to be full stacks of Bloodletters lead by a (non-exalted) Bloodthirster, I also expected them to be something that could completely snowball (one host would become 2 which would become 3, then 4 and then they'd be getting new armies faster than losing them) but the fact that Blood Hosts created by Blood Hosts have 5 fewer units makes that seem somewhat less likely (harder to set up in any case), the fact that the blog post said that "The power of these armies scales with how many you have created" made me think that the opposite would be the case if anything
also the blog post said that Blood Hosts would spawn with full movement, seems like that got changed since Legend showed that they actually spawn with no movement.
like I don't know what others were thinking but I came away from the Khorne mechanics blog post thinking that they were basically an entire race of Tauroxes with extra blood and rage and snowballing.
The blog post actually made me think that Kohrne was the weakest of all Chaos on the campaign map. They don't make it easy to understand on those posts. It's A LOT of vague language.
Just imagine tretch craventail or some random empire captain going up against skarbrand 5:51 …
Learned my lesson the hard way my first playthrough with khorne. Ignored Slanesh up north and they came down and smacked me later. Second playthrough I watched this video beforehand and made sure to stomp them out early
I knew khorne was gonna be op when they explained the campaign mechanics.
"And I'll see you next time....." Anyone else waiting for the "fuckers" at the end? xD
Khorne is insanely op when it comes to rushing and brutal melee.. iv won hopeless battles just because of how insane khorne units are when it comes to melee. 4-8 exalted blood letters and 2x blood thirsters and a couple of minotaurs can pretty much wreck any army. Iv had battles with cathay where i took down their 3x elite armies in same battle by putting 4x exalted bls and 2x bts at the reinforcements spawn point
Bloodletters sound like a stereotyped version of Arnold Schwarzenegger pitch shifted down
Legend aligns with the Changer of Ways, the Architect of Fate, surprising absolutely no one.
They had to make up for the melee infantry somehow....
Resetting army movement after a battle is something we really didn't need. It shouldn't have gone any further than Tiqtaqto's rite. AI simply can't handle it. Instead of responding to where you might move, now it has to predict where you can move and account for pin balling? It already can barely estimate good engagements...
I love Nurgle and i look forward to see kugath in you´re hands
My khorne champion is lvl15,at turn 8 when not mcuh high tier troops was out. And my champion with research and 1 flag can achieve 0.5% HP per sec. Which makes him nearly invincible
Good. I haven't even seen the video or any WH3 videos yet, but I WANT all 3 of the Chaos gods to be overpowered, they are the god damn Chaos gods after all haha
The in-battle notification ''enemy building is under attack'' appears a bit too much though.
You can customize exactly which popups appear in a battle.
Skarbrand the Brass Bull! He has the same animations even!
Auto resolve is broken. For an army of Kisliv ice queen with all ice guards it wins with almost no casualties every time. My ogre campaign army could easily stomp it, but would get completely destroyed by those same armies. Every battle with ogres tells me auto will lose 80% of my forces. me fighting I maybe lose 3-8%.
IT sounds like im hearing some new music in the soundtrack. Did they add more variety than the 2 songs that have currently in game 2 lol.
The cheese possibilities that Chaos Undivided provides should be to LOTW liking.
Happy to see you get an early access key!
blood hosts seems like rhesus's mechanic in troy
Skarbrand invaded my kisliev campaign and took the Tsarina as his wife. Very strong demon
To be fair, when CA are releasing over half a dozen factions at once, it must be difficult to choose which one to overpower.
I know a while back you had to record at a lower bitrate, do you still have that on? Map pretty fuzzy
Isn't there the chainsword from 40k for Scarbrand bringing his weapon damage up to 3k?
regarding the auto-resolve: I think it's so incorrect because it has NO IDEA how to try and figure out how towers, walls, and supply lines are going to impact the battle (because how useful they are is entirely dependant on where they are placed), so it just gives a natural buff to anyone defending their city, regardless of the units. I mean it still said "pyrrhic victory" after you brought over a SECOND army to help, and you already outnumbered the defenders with the first army alone, and sure enough it was a ridiculously easy "decisive victory" in the end of the day, and I'm sure it would have been the same result even without the second army, the battle was basically over by the time they reached the middle of the map where the action was
While I'm inclined to agree, I'd also like to point out that you and I aren't Legend and it's probably a lot better at normal skill levels.
The only chaos boys left now is Archaon and the mortal chaos warriors, feels like he's over shadowed by so much other chaos stuff being the poster boys
Why does it take 2000 skulls to occupy a settlement? Interior decorating?
Can't wait for Nurgle embargo to lift
To be fair though, all the chaos gods need to be overpowered A.F to beat the Order tide. Would actually be nice for a change to be the last Order faction standing against a Chaos tide, never seen that in over a thousand hours of game play.
Can't wait for the Last Defenders to actually be the Last Defenders.
I have lived in the midwest of the US, so I align with Khorne the most.
Khorne was always really strong on TT as well, so it is actually right that they are OP.
by the sounds this is a very momentum-based army and as soon that takes a big hit it might take a while to recover if you are not prepared for it so move fast but get ready to take tat hit if you lose 100s of troops long story short its a 2x sword
I align with the plaguefather myself, being perpetually ill.
Tzeentch can literally turn Skarbrand against his own faction. That seems much more OP to me.
Khorne is NOT busted! ...working as intended!
WAIT THIS IS GOING TO BE MELEE UNITS TIME WOOOOOO
That weapon begs the question if killing a mammoth counts as much as killing a unit of marauders when charging.
Khorne being op on the campaign map but weak in battle, is tzeentch levels of fuckery
I can imagine all the people plotting to send a bunch of Khorne Rate your Doomstacks and Saving your Disasters to Legend just to bully him
I'm kinda surprised you guys saw the Khorne mechanics in ~November and didn't see how busted they were going to be.
I mean remember old Greenskins waaghs? If it was like that then they'd be a hindrance instead of helpful.
@@ruukinen Maybe, but we saw they were definitely better than old herd/waagh mechanics.
@@toggle3927 Sure but it's not the mechanic itself which is strong. It's tuned in a way as to be strong. Imagine if you could only get one every 10 wins and you'd get to use it for a grand total of 2 turns before it disappears? People were rightfully worried since the faction has no powerful ranged or magic options, which seem to make them pretty weak on the field. Luckily this mechanic at least makes them strong on the campaign map.
"A path of destruction and ruin left by the army." Can not wait to play khorne.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kairos is the strongest LL. Flying power mage? Sounds like Malagor with a Protoss shield.
More like AraliTecligor with Protoss shield.
Imagine skarbrand with the warpsword of khaine
I play on normal so Khorne is gonna be brutal. Fun.
You're making working from home very difficult Legend.
What about the skull cannon doomstack? From the numbers and ammo recharge, it looks like a unit that's basically made for cheese..
Oh man, i really like all of this - but it makes me so sad to think about needing to wait not only for mortal empires, but Grimhammer too. Without Grimhammer TWW just doesnt feel complete anymore and as soon as i see certain doomstacks i miss the elite and rare-system and the unit-caps. But on the other hand, mortal empires in 3 with SFO is gonna be brilliant to play.
What happened to that reinforcing unit of bloodletters??
I got in a settlement battle with Khorne (me as Khorne attacking) agains a Slaneeshi army, the settlement had only two entrances, both pointing south. I can not get through the doorframe, the bottlenecks are incredibly frustrating.
Hi Legend, is the new game heavier on the GPU / CPU in comparison to WH 2? Did you notice any FPS drops on regular gameplay?
Thanks for the video, good work!
I was excited to play an all melee race and glad to hear they wont be trash
How is the game performance-wise compared to the previous ones?
Impossible! Chaos being overpowered?! GW would never approve!!
"In an even fight." Does that mean without enemy archers/ranged units other than artillery? Because that's what Even means. I thought Khorne had GREAT melee troops. Though the Skull Cannons kinda suck.
The much more broken mechanic with Khorne is his Bloodletting mechanic. You can get anything from 45-70 growth accross all provinces per Army. So what you do is you just have 1 army being followed by 3 single Lords (maybe a cultist each if you have the slots so they can keep up easier) and thats an easy 180 to 280 Growth per turn in all your provinces. I did that with 2 full armies and 6 single lords and grew my entire empire from Tier 1-2 settlements to tier 5 in like 20 turns. which was complete overkill btw. I couldnt even support all the building upgrades anymore because everything grew so damn fast. better stick to 3-4 Lords total so maybe 2 armies accompanied by 1-2 Lords each max. or one army early followed by 2-3 single Lords. Easy Tier 5, say hello to Chosen, Minotaurs and Skullcrushers with a sprinkle of Bloodthristers on top.
I wonder if you attack the settlement again after sacking you can stop him from moving back.
It has to be right after you select sack. It worked in 2.
Who knew the chaos god thats more intertwined with war is good in a total war game.
Ooh my computer is going to strain to run this...
It probably has been changed since this video came out. I haven't played TWW3 before now so I can't say.
I wanted to write that I am a little bit surprised at your review of Khorne and how you play it. Maybe you underestimated Skarbrand?
I played on VH currently and Skarbrand is just a one daemon army. Sure he can kill the enemy lord, but why bother when he can just wipe out 5 units of the enemy army?
Leadership penalty for dead lord seem much lower in TWW3 than TWW1 (haven't played TWW2) anyway.
I am not a fan of Khorne lore-wise honestly so I feel you on this, but I have to say, the way you approached this battle was way overly complicated for Khorne. Just send him the boys and Skarbrand will do the rest. Prioritize the Gorefeast talent and give him the HP regen banner. He'll regen 0.30% of his total health per second. Fight the quest battle for his weapons ASAP and try to find something to give him perfect vigor. There you go you've got Skarbrand as a 1 unit doomstack.
When fighting the quest battle for his weapons, he killed both Exalted Bloodthirsters, the Great Unclean One and both Soulgrinders and lived to tell the tale (with 10% HP but hell, 3 lords and 2 top tier units).
I think you are a little more used to squishier lords that can't just go in and destroy an army (and that's fine), but Skarbrand is not one of them. He is possibly the absolute best anti-infratry lord in the game. Sure he has no magic, so he can burst-wipe units but give him time and he'll get 400 kills without any problem.
might be the first warhammer game i ever play chaos in
Skarbrand is literally a one man doomstack with korne.
Can we get some nurgle gameplay?
Legend who would you recommend for someone getting back into warhammer for wh3 races
The UI still needs some work. The last digit of the skull counter is obscured. If you can get 10k skulls by turn 12 and the last digit is already obscured, what's going to happen when you get to 100k?