Gently resting your left arm on your leg with your hand on the bottom of the wheel prevents any warnings. This also makes you more aware of every movement the car is doing so it's quicker to disengage.
Thanks. But if I did that in the video it wouldn't look like the car was driving itself. My last FSD video where I was nervous I would constantly touch the wheel before the warning.
FSD is such an expensive upgrade, considering it's still in Beta. When I use the regular autopilot I always keep 1 hand at the steering wheel. When accidents are about to happen, milliseconds and seconds can determine if an accident happens or not. And keeping hands on the legs means you lose some valuable time.
v12 is not beta, but supervised. It makes no sense to purchase FSD for $8k US. It is better to pay the $99 per month subscription, as the payback period is almost 10 years. FSD is not on the highway, that is still Autopilot as FSD defaults to Auto speed when driving on city streets. Only Autopilot allows the driver to adjust the speed.
@@williamrogers1219 FSD has always been beta, and *continues* to be beta. The name change was so there was no misunderstanding with the hordes of people that got the 30-day free trial of FSD.
@@williamrogers1219 I think the one benefit of purchasing it for $8k is when you want to sell your car. If you wanted a used car and saw 2 cars with the same colors, year and model but one has FSD and the other doesn't you might be more inclined to get the FSD one even if it's a few thousand dollars higher. You can adjust the speed in FSD. I was doing a lot of time on the video. But I did notice it goes back to the speed limit whenever the speed changes.
@@williamrogers1219 _the payback period is almost 10 years_ Well, less than seven, but who's counting? 🙂 _Only Autopilot allows the driver to adjust the speed._ This is true only if you turn on Automatic Set Speed Offset in the Autopilot menu. If it's not turned on, you have the same speed control in FSD as always.
You are so right. When FSD is in a busy big city, it makes mistakes. *Human* *intervention* is very much needed. FSD cannot be trusted, today. Maybe years from now?
Pro Tip, you can just scroll with either the right or left scroll wheel up or down a click.. instead of applying pressure by turning the wheel during FSD, this makes it much more relaxing.
@@JustMikeDotTv You can scroll either of the wheel and it will reset the "hand on wheel" timer. And you don't have to put both hands on the wheel like you do. All it's looking for is a slight turning force on the wheel, so you can just add some light turning force with even one finger and it's enough.
@@geekincognito good to know. Thanks. It's expired now but in case I decide to get it for a month in the future or they give us another free one I'll keep that in mind.
@@JustMikeDotTv _But the scroll on the right changes the speed. So you mean left?_ Well, one click of the right scroll wheel only changes the speed limit 1 MPH, which usually won't be an issue; but as you suggested, I use the left scroll wheel for that reason.
Using FSD Supervised responsibly it seems would be the same as supervising a learner driver, i.e. not exactly stress free as the person supervising has to become super aware and try to anticipate hazards with sufficient time to intervene if necessary. Are there any tests as to how relaxed the driver is when they have arrived after having driven themselves compared to one using FSD Supervised? There is always those instances when the human brain can anticipate unfolding events. Take a situation where there is a emergency vehicle joining a freeway, before the vehicles in front have reacted, a following experienced driver will have instinctively anticipated that vehicles are going to be braking and moving over, and will have already started to brake, and weighed up their manoeuvring options. Any driver assist system is inevitably going to react later, once the vehicles in front brake or move lane. How it reacts, harsh braking or a quick lane change, has a knock on effect with the following traffic, the vehicle itself may indeed not crash, but its evasive manoeuvring could contributed to a problem behind. It is always going to be that last 10% of automation that end up requiring 90% of the overall effort to solve.
My last FSD video I was more stressed. But it was also in the rain. This one I was more relaxed despite the drive being longer. I was only stressed with the lane changes. But the Tesla did react fast when it slammed the brakes when the cars in front of me stopped suddenly. And it also reacted fast from a lane change once. The 2nd time later in the video it didn't which is why I intervened.
My experience is that I'm far more relaxed at the end of a long day of driving, when FSD takes care of speed control and lane centering, allowing me to focus more on what's going on around me.
@@BigBen621 Yeah but that's not FSD. Almost all modern cars have level 2 autonomous systems or ADAS systems (or what Tesla calls autopilot) . I'm talking about stress level on actual situations with traffic lights, ramps, GPS navigation etc etc.
@@montanax8127 _Yeah but that's not FSD._ I think you misunderstood my comment. Even on the highway, FSD has many features that Autopilot doesn't have. My point was that letting FSD take care of the constant mental tasks of controlling speed and lane centering makes road trips much more relaxing. _I'm talking about stress level on actual situations with traffic lights, ramps, GPS navigation etc etc._ I use FSD at least 95% of the time in city driving, letting it deal with all these situations. Even in this case, knowing that FSD is constantly aware of what's going on 360° around the car while I can only be looking in one direction at once, plus the fact that it has much faster reflexes than a human if a problem does arise, makes this driving more relaxing for me as well. And the astonishing record of safety of the FSD Beta test program, and now FSD (Supervised), adds to my level of comfort.
I'm not a fan of FSD, I like to drive. For me, Enhanced Auto Pilot is the sweet spot because I can decide when I want to change lanes, turn on the indicator, and the car then performs that task for me. The problem is that $99 USD a month is a bit much to pay to gain that one desired feature.
@@JustMikeDotTv if you have FSD you can select either FSD or Enhanced Auto Pilot from the screen. FSD recently went from $12,000 to $8,000 purchase and from $199 to $99 subscription. I think you are correct in assuming that EAP is no longer available as a stand alone option.
No law breaking. Besides what kind of video would it be if I had my hands on the wheel the whole time? Tesla signals when to put your hand on the wheel every minute or so.
So basically, after rewatching the clip multiple times, it appears that the FSD is aware of the truck moving to the left lane from two lanes away, it decides to freak out and instead of continuing driving straight, move to the left, speed up or slow down it believes the appropriate course of action is to turn right and place itself on a collision course with the semi. Or worse, move to the right lane but also speed up ever so slightly as to try and cut the other driver offer and potentially self-PIT itself going at highway speeds. Yeah, the fact that FSD has been advertised and marketed by Elon Musk how it's right around the corner, with the latest release date being in 3 months and some change when it's clearly still a long ways away from being safe to depend on it. He's definitely become laughable these days, in more ways than one. And this is coming from a guy who was a huge fan not too long ago.
The thing is I don't know if it would have reacted in time. It did in the first one and avoided. This one felt more like a close call and I obviously wasn't going to take the chance and wait and see what was going to happen and intervened.
@@JustMikeDotTv I had the same thing happen the other day. I don't know why it doesn't see blinkers and can't anticipate potential issues like that, it's pretty easy. Hopefully they'll be able to address that quickly. Also unmarked dips and potholes.
@@JustMikeDotTv Sorry, honest question. I watched a few times, can't tell where the issue is. Truck in front of you slows down, then the Tesla changed left one lane. Where is the potential hazard specifically? Thanks for posting.
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Gently resting your left arm on your leg with your hand on the bottom of the wheel prevents any warnings.
This also makes you more aware of every movement the car is doing so it's quicker to disengage.
Thanks. But if I did that in the video it wouldn't look like the car was driving itself. My last FSD video where I was nervous I would constantly touch the wheel before the warning.
FSD is such an expensive upgrade, considering it's still in Beta. When I use the regular autopilot I always keep 1 hand at the steering wheel. When accidents are about to happen, milliseconds and seconds can determine if an accident happens or not. And keeping hands on the legs means you lose some valuable time.
v12 is not beta, but supervised. It makes no sense to purchase FSD for $8k US. It is better to pay the $99 per month subscription, as the payback period is almost 10 years. FSD is not on the highway, that is still Autopilot as FSD defaults to Auto speed when driving on city streets. Only Autopilot allows the driver to adjust the speed.
@@williamrogers1219 FSD has always been beta, and *continues* to be beta. The name change was so there was no misunderstanding with the hordes of people that got the 30-day free trial of FSD.
@@williamrogers1219 "supervised" is just a term they coined for legal reasons.
@@williamrogers1219 I think the one benefit of purchasing it for $8k is when you want to sell your car. If you wanted a used car and saw 2 cars with the same colors, year and model but one has FSD and the other doesn't you might be more inclined to get the FSD one even if it's a few thousand dollars higher.
You can adjust the speed in FSD. I was doing a lot of time on the video. But I did notice it goes back to the speed limit whenever the speed changes.
@@williamrogers1219 _the payback period is almost 10 years_
Well, less than seven, but who's counting? 🙂
_Only Autopilot allows the driver to adjust the speed._
This is true only if you turn on Automatic Set Speed Offset in the Autopilot menu. If it's not turned on, you have the same speed control in FSD as always.
the diffirence between yes it can self drive and yes it can do so safely 100% of the time is such a wide chasm
You are so right. When FSD is in a busy big city, it makes mistakes. *Human* *intervention* is very much needed.
FSD cannot be trusted, today. Maybe years from now?
99.999% is good enough
@@runewinsevik8471 But FSD right now is maybe 97 percent. *Not* *good* *enough* .
Pro Tip, you can just scroll with either the right or left scroll wheel up or down a click.. instead of applying pressure by turning the wheel during FSD, this makes it much more relaxing.
But the scroll on the right changes the speed. So you mean left?
@@JustMikeDotTv You can scroll either of the wheel and it will reset the "hand on wheel" timer. And you don't have to put both hands on the wheel like you do. All it's looking for is a slight turning force on the wheel, so you can just add some light turning force with even one finger and it's enough.
@@geekincognito good to know. Thanks. It's expired now but in case I decide to get it for a month in the future or they give us another free one I'll keep that in mind.
@@JustMikeDotTv Same applies for the free autopilot as well.
@@JustMikeDotTv _But the scroll on the right changes the speed. So you mean left?_
Well, one click of the right scroll wheel only changes the speed limit 1 MPH, which usually won't be an issue; but as you suggested, I use the left scroll wheel for that reason.
Using FSD Supervised responsibly it seems would be the same as supervising a learner driver, i.e. not exactly stress free as the person supervising has to become super aware and try to anticipate hazards with sufficient time to intervene if necessary. Are there any tests as to how relaxed the driver is when they have arrived after having driven themselves compared to one using FSD Supervised?
There is always those instances when the human brain can anticipate unfolding events. Take a situation where there is a emergency vehicle joining a freeway, before the vehicles in front have reacted, a following experienced driver will have instinctively anticipated that vehicles are going to be braking and moving over, and will have already started to brake, and weighed up their manoeuvring options.
Any driver assist system is inevitably going to react later, once the vehicles in front brake or move lane. How it reacts, harsh braking or a quick lane change, has a knock on effect with the following traffic, the vehicle itself may indeed not crash, but its evasive manoeuvring could contributed to a problem behind.
It is always going to be that last 10% of automation that end up requiring 90% of the overall effort to solve.
The stress factor is indeed often overlooked. In the end, you are fully committing your LIFE to an automated system.
My last FSD video I was more stressed. But it was also in the rain. This one I was more relaxed despite the drive being longer.
I was only stressed with the lane changes.
But the Tesla did react fast when it slammed the brakes when the cars in front of me stopped suddenly.
And it also reacted fast from a lane change once. The 2nd time later in the video it didn't which is why I intervened.
My experience is that I'm far more relaxed at the end of a long day of driving, when FSD takes care of speed control and lane centering, allowing me to focus more on what's going on around me.
@@BigBen621 Yeah but that's not FSD. Almost all modern cars have level 2 autonomous systems or ADAS systems (or what Tesla calls autopilot) .
I'm talking about stress level on actual situations with traffic lights, ramps, GPS navigation etc etc.
@@montanax8127 _Yeah but that's not FSD._
I think you misunderstood my comment. Even on the highway, FSD has many features that Autopilot doesn't have. My point was that letting FSD take care of the constant mental tasks of controlling speed and lane centering makes road trips much more relaxing.
_I'm talking about stress level on actual situations with traffic lights, ramps, GPS navigation etc etc._
I use FSD at least 95% of the time in city driving, letting it deal with all these situations. Even in this case, knowing that FSD is constantly aware of what's going on 360° around the car while I can only be looking in one direction at once, plus the fact that it has much faster reflexes than a human if a problem does arise, makes this driving more relaxing for me as well. And the astonishing record of safety of the FSD Beta test program, and now FSD (Supervised), adds to my level of comfort.
It's hard to follow when I don't know how fast this is, because you've sped it up.
If I didn't speed it up it would be a 45 minute video.
I'm not a fan of FSD, I like to drive. For me, Enhanced Auto Pilot is the sweet spot because I can decide when I want to change lanes, turn on the indicator, and the car then performs that task for me. The problem is that $99 USD a month is a bit much to pay to gain that one desired feature.
I don't even see Enhanced Auto Pilot on their website anymore. Did they get rid of it?
@@JustMikeDotTv if you have FSD you can select either FSD or Enhanced Auto Pilot from the screen. FSD recently went from $12,000 to $8,000 purchase and from $199 to $99 subscription. I think you are correct in assuming that EAP is no longer available as a stand alone option.
@@tralexan I'm just more surprised that in Canada it's also $99. However, it's was $16,000 and now it's $11,000.
I thought you're supposed to keep your hands on the wheel at all times? Is this guy literally showing us he is breaking the law?
No law breaking. Besides what kind of video would it be if I had my hands on the wheel the whole time? Tesla signals when to put your hand on the wheel every minute or so.
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So basically, after rewatching the clip multiple times, it appears that the FSD is aware of the truck moving to the left lane from two lanes away, it decides to freak out and instead of continuing driving straight, move to the left, speed up or slow down it believes the appropriate course of action is to turn right and place itself on a collision course with the semi. Or worse, move to the right lane but also speed up ever so slightly as to try and cut the other driver offer and potentially self-PIT itself going at highway speeds. Yeah, the fact that FSD has been advertised and marketed by Elon Musk how it's right around the corner, with the latest release date being in 3 months and some change when it's clearly still a long ways away from being safe to depend on it. He's definitely become laughable these days, in more ways than one. And this is coming from a guy who was a huge fan not too long ago.
The thing is I don't know if it would have reacted in time. It did in the first one and avoided. This one felt more like a close call and I obviously wasn't going to take the chance and wait and see what was going to happen and intervened.
So complete clickbait re the "almost crashed". So I'll know not to watch your videos, generally.
Did you not see me grab the steering wheel because it almost changed lanes at the same time another truck did on the highway? I even put the arrow.
It's in the 7:00 mark
@@JustMikeDotTv I had the same thing happen the other day. I don't know why it doesn't see blinkers and can't anticipate potential issues like that, it's pretty easy. Hopefully they'll be able to address that quickly. Also unmarked dips and potholes.
@@multicamzilla4669 it caught it once. But 2nd time I had to intervene. Yes potholes is an issue.
@@JustMikeDotTv Sorry, honest question. I watched a few times, can't tell where the issue is. Truck in front of you slows down, then the Tesla changed left one lane.
Where is the potential hazard specifically? Thanks for posting.