3:45 Viper micro confirmed. Luring a deer and a boar at the same time, shooting the deer while the boar is still aggro, garrisoning the weak boar vill (making the boar stop), ejecting the boar vill on the tree, garrisoning all wood vills, ejecting them towards the wood line (effectively teleporting them 4 tiles), aggroing the boar with another full health wood vill, garrisoning/ungarrisoning this vill again, garrisoning the next aggroed vill, killing the boar, retasking the garrisoned vill to the deer. Within about 12 seconds. Had to watch this about 5 times to see everything he did. So beautiful.
Wow! I have always liked seeing Viper play Arena, more than any other map. When I watch a comeback like this I realize he is undoutedly the best player in the world. He plays every game in the moment and can improvise so quickly. Amazing game. Thanks Vipaaaa gg.
scorps an underused unit, especially when massed. splash damage moves through ranked units, decent range, and much harder to micro around than onager shots.
@@somebody700 youd know better than me im sure, i dont watch many games. ive just noticed that onagers seem much more popular in circumstances when it seems to me that scorpions would be more effective, especially against players with exceptional micoing. but my experience is pretty limited
@@johnsmith5139 onagers have slowly lost popularity in favor of scorps over time. People are going for the guaranteed damage vs the higher risk reward of onagers landing a shot. Or at least pros seem to be
Despite not being up to viper's usual standards, this game was AMAZING. Loved the switches and the microing of counter units (arbalests vs jaguars, 2hs vs eagles). Great stuff
It depends on the size of the pocket. Small pockets are useless to protect and walls usually just obstuct your pathing. Large pockets like the one to the left of Viper's base can be left walled, but it rarely saves the game and still obstructs pathing and farm placement. I guess it's up to personal preference in this case.
Finally understand why Malay isnt as good in open maps...the extra villagers food consumption likely bring disadvantage in feudal/castle play. But for Arena, mainly it's about the boom so short term disadvantage is unlikely, while the 4 extra villagers lead u can theoretically keep it forever, or even likely to expand it by snowballing the eco. Similar to Persians who struggle to keep 2TC running in open maps, but in closed map likely they can
Viper what is the idea behind going this fast up to Feudal? Is this a better way to go for relics relatively fast and yet start a boom rather than go FC?
such greedy food gathering in dark age. 2 deer so early he doesnt need boar until after mill. So many deer he can even delay lumber camp until boar comes in. so nice for Malay with fast uptime I love it
How do you deal with mass scorps as a mezo civ? Siege ram I suppose but usually the scorps are paired with some type of intantry to stop the rams from being good
Onagers, in pitched battles. Aztecs even have Siege Onager. Also Elite Eagles, but you have to maneuver them correctly (staggered and split formations)
How do you beat Persians on arena? They have too many options most of which are cheap af and being arena, you can't exactly rush his eco and their eco will 99% of the time be far better than yours. I lose against Persians on arena every time.
Persians are not good in castle age and fast imp as their monk rush and castle drop is weak. They rely on their sturdy TCs to boom under pressure. That makes them far from being a 1st tier arena civ.
@@somebody700 eagle onager would have worked ok, or jaguar onager, or even eagle and jaguar ram push. Then if you have to skirm switch you still have onagers ready, one or two every now and again would still crush any amount of scorps
Jag switch. Jags are not a good idea for az most of the time. Vs infantry he was better off just adding arbs and end the game in early imp when he had the upperhand. Instead he let viper breath and mass up trash swords.
@@somebody700 Jags are the best late game option for az. But in early imp going jag vs goth could cost you the game. It's better to just use gold heavy units to end the game since az should have a massive lead. Transitioning to castles and farms would give the goth player breathing room. I've seen goth kill jags with champs given equal eco before. The production speed is just too much and jags are made too slowly.
they should revert all goth changes then just give them the final infantry armor upgrade as the buff they need. since other civs get supplies now, goths late game vs other champions/unique infantry is pretty weak.
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And this is why u dont make 2 melee units as ur main composition. Gg wp!
hera be like "what is a siege workshop"
Should have mixed in onager and ram I guess, jaguar aren't the best fodder units
you should have tried to attack from the left gate to hit the eco as well..
Anyways GG!
anything but jags added would have been fine... even arbs
@@tushardeshpande97 He did but he should push harder there. It was a great game, very entertaining.
3:45 Viper micro confirmed. Luring a deer and a boar at the same time, shooting the deer while the boar is still aggro, garrisoning the weak boar vill (making the boar stop), ejecting the boar vill on the tree, garrisoning all wood vills, ejecting them towards the wood line (effectively teleporting them 4 tiles), aggroing the boar with another full health wood vill, garrisoning/ungarrisoning this vill again, garrisoning the next aggroed vill, killing the boar, retasking the garrisoned vill to the deer. Within about 12 seconds.
Had to watch this about 5 times to see everything he did. So beautiful.
It's amazing because for an outsider it doesn't look that impressive. But it's crazy tough to keep under control all of this
Especially noticing that the boar was attacking a weak vill at the end. It's usually how I risk the most to lose a vill
Just a minute later he saves a weak villager during a boar lure with a quick house and luring with a second villager
Its incredible
Thats like half my dark age in 25 seconds
Wow! I have always liked seeing Viper play Arena, more than any other map. When I watch a comeback like this I realize he is undoutedly the best player in the world. He plays every game in the moment and can improvise so quickly. Amazing game. Thanks Vipaaaa gg.
29:25 viper says "this might be the last fight"
YES!
Another Malay civ! My favourite civilization.
You don't get paid any gold my man, they treat you like shit...
Yea, Forced Levy.
I'm calling you Forced Levy btw.
@@danifandit only porridge
MALAY BOSS CIV
scorps an underused unit, especially when massed. splash damage moves through ranked units, decent range, and much harder to micro around than onager shots.
@@somebody700 youd know better than me im sure, i dont watch many games. ive just noticed that onagers seem much more popular in circumstances when it seems to me that scorpions would be more effective, especially against players with exceptional micoing. but my experience is pretty limited
@@johnsmith5139 onagers have slowly lost popularity in favor of scorps over time. People are going for the guaranteed damage vs the higher risk reward of onagers landing a shot. Or at least pros seem to be
well, scorps used to be really bad but have been buffed
Despite not being up to viper's usual standards, this game was AMAZING. Loved the switches and the microing of counter units (arbalests vs jaguars, 2hs vs eagles). Great stuff
I hoped that you would upload this. The game was off the hook :) GG man
The comeback is real! I thought the game would end with a rare Viper loss.
He has lost many games against hera
23 barricks hahaha, and two swords handsmen spam, this is so god damn good
do you even english?
why u always destroy the walls in the back? couldnt they be usefull? would like to here your thoughts on that
I prefer to have more space!
It depends on the size of the pocket. Small pockets are useless to protect and walls usually just obstuct your pathing. Large pockets like the one to the left of Viper's base can be left walled, but it rarely saves the game and still obstructs pathing and farm placement. I guess it's up to personal preference in this case.
They get in the way and if you ever need those walls for some reason then you've probably already lost
if you ever need those walls you probably have lost a long time ago
Finally understand why Malay isnt as good in open maps...the extra villagers food consumption likely bring disadvantage in feudal/castle play. But for Arena, mainly it's about the boom so short term disadvantage is unlikely, while the 4 extra villagers lead u can theoretically keep it forever, or even likely to expand it by snowballing the eco. Similar to Persians who struggle to keep 2TC running in open maps, but in closed map likely they can
What a comeback!
The stream description should be...TAAPE...TAAPE...TAAPE
Viper what is the idea behind going this fast up to Feudal? Is this a better way to go for relics relatively fast and yet start a boom rather than go FC?
At 31:00, I just skipped ahead to the end thinking why to prolong gg and now I regret everything.
27:59 "kill me fast, please." and win the game anyway 11
such greedy food gathering in dark age. 2 deer so early he doesnt need boar until after mill. So many deer he can even delay lumber camp until boar comes in. so nice for Malay with fast uptime I love it
How do you deal with mass scorps as a mezo civ? Siege ram I suppose but usually the scorps are paired with some type of intantry to stop the rams from being good
Onagers, in pitched battles. Aztecs even have Siege Onager.
Also Elite Eagles, but you have to maneuver them correctly (staggered and split formations)
Onager onager onager. Wrecks scorps. Ram is ok as well
That dark age micro is so insane wtf
I watch this because im Malaysian and i love this game and your skill.
viper a couple of onager shots would have looked so good :D 29:23
I sat here waiting for you to unpause longer than I care to admit before remembering this is on RUclips
As soon as i saw the late black smith and the upgraded eagles my palms started sweating for viper.
hera thought he didnt have to add skirm and won it quick. But the problem is forced levy 2HS
Art of War: Deer Lure: Silver
How do you beat Persians on arena? They have too many options most of which are cheap af and being arena, you can't exactly rush his eco and their eco will 99% of the time be far better than yours. I lose against Persians on arena every time.
Persians are not good in castle age and fast imp as their monk rush and castle drop is weak. They rely on their sturdy TCs to boom under pressure. That makes them far from being a 1st tier arena civ.
What's up with the super fast feudal? Just for horse collar/dbaxe?
Malay tactics.
bit axe gives +20% which is pretty great and with horse collar farms will last until almost imperial age
Hi i boughtAoe2 De today im new player is it me or there is rarely any rated ganes ?
There it is, neba gib up!
Was hoping to see this since seeing MBL cast it live.
I got tired just by watching, can't imagine what was going on Viper's mind in the end
Holy geez that was amazing.
24:36 to 28:00 NO GO !!
WTF man!! are you a machine?? what do you have in your head??!!! really awesome! nice game...
How is Malay a arena powerhouse @viperaoc
I'm new to aoe
Their fast up time can be really important depending on situation also non-gold two handed swordsman could be really powerful in late game.
@@berksuduman ohhh u didn't think about that
@@berksuduman I*
militia line doesn't cost gold and faster advancing to the next age
This game is making Goth manspam look like a baby strat xD
good job
how do you delete all target ay the same time??
shift+delete
@@swiggersyolo5748 ty:)
sick man
"this is gonna look great on youtube"
The jag switch just gave viper too much time. Aztecs should have capitalized on their strong early imp.
You are the Norwegian version of J-O Waldner!
well, just make a batallion of porsche XD
good player hera i like him . :)
SIAP!
ANGKAT SENJATA!
Can anyone explain how he won?? I am a noob...
Your second castle in the middle and your attention for going his base was too early.
wrong
How did Hera loose this? Weird
Gave viper too much time and his army was too gold intensive for how effective it was.
@@michaelcross7665 You have to kill the snake fast :)
@@somebody700 eagle onager would have worked ok, or jaguar onager, or even eagle and jaguar ram push. Then if you have to skirm switch you still have onagers ready, one or two every now and again would still crush any amount of scorps
Jag switch. Jags are not a good idea for az most of the time. Vs infantry he was better off just adding arbs and end the game in early imp when he had the upperhand. Instead he let viper breath and mass up trash swords.
@@somebody700 Jags are the best late game option for az. But in early imp going jag vs goth could cost you the game. It's better to just use gold heavy units to end the game since az should have a massive lead. Transitioning to castles and farms would give the goth player breathing room. I've seen goth kill jags with champs given equal eco before. The production speed is just too much and jags are made too slowly.
they should revert all goth changes then just give them the final infantry armor upgrade as the buff they need. since other civs get supplies now, goths late game vs other champions/unique infantry is pretty weak.
good game
War of the micro-nerds
GOOD GAME THX
AKKANSANJATTA!
Nomad man....
Vipi controlled the gold despite losing the middle a few times. can't win with just atlatl skirms
Haaa villager save from the board lol
nice try hera . LUUUL
I would love to play Malay. They pretty insanely fun. But pls change that woman "Siap"
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I think that the woman has to go!
KHMER is my country
is debbie his gf?
yes they live together
debbie is his mum
She is "the woman"!
@@jonasv328 "The Voman"
First 1 bro
Nobody cares
Bro
Bruh
@@audriuskavaliauskas9762 You do, don't act like you don't. You love me
@@windows95_de bruh
Can you stop playing against hera...
Why? Hera is one of his most skilled opponents