GB2 Reconstructions: Extended Slime Shell Scene
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
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Follow this link to see the new IMPROVED AUDIO version! Big thanks to Derek Osborn for the clean on-set audio of the Fire Captain dialogue.
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“On Our Own” is a great song. Still my favorite song since the moment I saw this in theaters opening night.
Sorry to say Jack Hardemeyer brought this on himself. When someone's that pigheaded, it's tough to get through to them, and they have to learn the hard way.
Jack Hardemeyer become a threat to himself than the others.
At least in the original cut, he was just tired. This is worse, although not undeserved.
He still couldn’t get a job all across the entire state of New York
Love it great job Alex! Here is a crunch bar. You... you deserve it.
Very cool! Can ultimately see yeah the desire to keep things moving/pacing. I'm sure there were other reasons and maybe we're so used to seeing the final cut.
Agreed, the line deliveries were just not conveying a sense of urgency as I was cutting it. (The final movie intercuts it with other scenes too, but since those weren't indicated in the Feb 1989 script, I kept this all linear.) I tightened it in a couple of small ways-- such as delaying the shot of Hardemeyer's shoes falling so I could use it as a cutaway and trim out some fat from an overly lingering reaction shot by Lenny and the GBs. If we had more angles and takes to work with-- and a composer to score it-- I'm sure we could create that missing urgency editorially, just as Reitman and his editors would have. But in the case of shots where there's only one version out there known to the public, our hands are frustratingly tied.
@@LextheRobot I can't remember the exact quote I am thinking I know I've heard Ivan Reitman say something to the effect of the audience already being ahead of you, maybe as it related to an attempt to overexplain or show something the audience doesn't need spoon-fed to them.
Don't think it's the instance I'm thinking but I remember trying to explain the Sedgwick midnight buffet.
I guess we don't get to see Jack Hardemayer comeuppance there but yeah we did get to see him ejected by the Mayor "Walter Peck" style.
No 'just-desserts" though as it's been said.
Thank you Alex! Now I have a better idea of how things would have worked if they chosen to go with the original idea for this scene.
Happy to help! I agree; the way they split those lines up into two separate deleted scenes for the Blu-Ray was really confusing. I had to chop them both up into segments and then shuffle those like a card deck to get the dialogue into the proper order, per the February 1989 draft of the script. One bit of business occurred in both Blu-Ray scenes-- the bit when the three busters form a wall of proton packs to keep Hardemeyer from going over to the Mayor and Venkman for a second-- so I wound up using video from the closeup and the audio from the wide shot to fuse them into a single continuous moment. Once I figured that out, the rest of it was relatively simple.
During the end credits, Hardemeyer was seen among the crowd singing with them and I have wondered how he got out of the slime wall.
My guess is when the slime was weakening as the growd was singing, it must've released Hardemeyer.
Yeah. And the way this reconstruction is framed, the firing scene at City Hall doesn’t take place, since Hardemeyer is there right beside the Mayor. My guess is on a reshoot, they tweaked it to include City Hall and gave the Mayor the “tenth level of Hell” line that Stanz says here.
This certainly makes it clear why there is a clear street with police barricades for the ghostbusters to walk the statue up, help from the mayor.
Lol, that is an excellent point! I never thought about that angle before.
Wish there was a extended version when they fight vigo
Remember guys, unless there's another version of the crowd singing he somehow still survives this.
Good point. In the February '89 script for GBII, events would have played out like this: the busters defeat Vigo and see their likenesses in the underpainting. THEN Louis arrives via bus, making a bowling date with Slimer. He sees the celebrations, asks if he's too late, and Ray tells him he's right on time and hands him a bottle of champagne. Then Hardemeyer has this little denouement: "EXT. MUSEUM ENTRANCE - NIGHT (SAME TIME) B132 Hardemeyer staggers out of the museum covered in slime. He looks at the celebrating crowd and his eyes fill with tears.
HARDEMEYER (weep?) Happy New Year, everybody!
He joins in on Auld Lang Syne." Then the busters basically blackmail Mayor Lenny into paying them for both their 1984 services and 1989 services, by threatening to leave the Statue of Liberty lying on the ground right where she is.
I really like the idea of Hardemeyer getting eaten by the slime. It really helps to establish the threat of the slime by showing it can kill someone in this form. That's more exciting than it just being an impenetrable wall. And it's a neat homage to Wizard of Oz to see only his shoes survive.
He survived, that's why he's singing along with the crowd in the credits.
In the script he was supposed to be covered in slime and join in the crowd
I guess they went back to firehouse to get the slow blowers
I cut this together following the February 1989 draft of the script, in which there's actually lines when Louis picks them up at Parkview Hospital, saying he brought all their gear and gassed up the car. A line like that is usually only included in a script to answer the little continuity questions, so presumably the slime blowers were already in the 1A, though I have to agree: things would've been pretty crowded in the back with four packs, two blowers, and two busters. The deleted 'Sherman Tully' footage would have shown them departing the hospital in Ecto-1A, leaving Louis and his cousin behind. (I guess he took a cab or a city bus back to the firehouse to play dressup with Janine?) The shot of Winston putting on his elbow pads for Ernie Hudson's end credit is the only piece of the Parkview departure scene to survive into the film.
www.theraffon.net/~spookcentral/gb2_script.htm
Well, it probably would have taken like 15 minutes
Wow, thanks for the 350 views in the first four days, everyone! As of last night, I now have some of the Electronic Press Kit footage *without* the RUN-DMC song overlaid. (I got it from, who else? Derek Osborn. And let's just say he got it from someone who got it from Joe 'Willie' Namath. We don't know how, we don't WANNA know how.) So expect a future recut of this where the Fire Captain can be heard a bit better, and the behind-the-scenes footage of them putting on their packs won't have to be muted.
5:06 Fine, it's your funeral!
Well done!
Thank you!
Me: Calm down Jack. That slime is very powerful cause of YOUR negativity.
Peter: He's right you know.
Jack: “Seriously this is ridiculous.”
Me: “No, this is just a simple paranormal stuff. You see you’re being too stubborn to see that there are some things that go beyond the realm of human knowledge, understanding and therefore, you cannot accept it. and when you can accept it, do you think you can control it, but this you cannot control.”
Jack: oh right sorry about that Dr venkman.😊
Peter: now you're fine Jack we just got to take care of the situation and then we can begin the New Year.😊
Jack: right so you guy's sing to it talk to it and say support nurturing things to it?🙃
Peter: yeah well we've been running tests to see if we can get a positive reaction jack.😊
Jack: I always wanted to sing and talk to the slime peter.😊
Finally after about 32 years later we get a score release composed by Randy Edelman.
The odd timing of your comment is that just two days ago our carousel CD player died and I bought a new one. When I got in from work, my wife had placed all the CDs from inside the defunct one atop the dresser. Three were hers, while two of them were the soundtrack to Bohemian Rhapsody and the score for GBII. I honestly didn't even remember owning that one.
Well done Alex!!
5:14 Burn in hell, Jack Hardemeyer!
Nah, when the crowd's positive energy blew the shell off the museum, he probably woke up feeling like a million bucks.
Everyone I've asked about this movie's deleted scenes agreed they should've been in the movie.
Hey! Does this poll still work? ;)
@@LextheRobot nice pun at first I thought it was a typo
I wish they kept the extended scene despite its pace and timing. It kinda fleshed out each characters a little more to the story. The final cut felt a bit rush on my opinion.
Great editing job.
Holy shit, behind the scene footage of shots that didn't show up in the movie? I'm actually very pissed that there are many repeat gags that originally seemed like "this is a specific line that they need to work into the movie once as a plot point" that were obviously intended to be callbacks that they deleted despite the fact that the jokes would've actually gotten better by the 2nd & 3rd hit ("Titanic arrived", "Supportive nurturing things", "Sucked Down To The 10th Level Of Hell", Peter implying the Statue of Liberty is a sex worker, etc.)
5:27 Ray makes a funny "right this way" gesture.
This would have made a lot more sense if they would have added this deleted scene this would have fit perfectly ❤
Yeah, Jack just disappears inexplicably in the movie
@@geggy310 He gets fired and then ends up singing carols with people in the crowd during this scene.
@@pferreira1983 yeah I noticed that, but I would’ve preferred this
@@geggy310 I think in the comic book adaptation he still lives at the end? 🤔
@@geggy310 I don't know. It was already a bit of a stretch in the theatrical cut that he didn't believe in ghosts despite what happened in the first film, but for him to stand there in front of the slime and still deny it is hard to swallow.
Now this should've been left in the movie
5:10 - 5:18 😆😆😆
SERVES YOU RIGHT!!!!!!
I wish this Stayed in the Movie I hated Jack!
Jack Hardemeyer become a threat to himself than the others.
5:16 Slime: (BURP!) Mmm, tasty!
Should have had the extension in the movie
kinda wish they kept the mayors aid getting eaten scene
ECTO 1A love button right here folks
This must’ve been cut pretty late, some of the effects are finished.
I reconstructed it using deleted footage as well as scenes from the finished film, plus some behind the scenes footage, and even some shots from trailers/commercials.
Looks Like A Giant Jell-O Mold. 0:35
I really wish they kept this in the movie. I’m not happy with the rewrite where he gets fired for sending them off to the looney bin.
I'm sure the real editors, with access to more angles and takes, could have turned this scene into something better paced than what I was able to make with the scant available-to-the-public footage, but as this reconstruction of mine stands, I think the smash cut to Liberty Island in the film works better without it. Jack's comeuppance had to go somewhere though, so sliding it earlier and giving it to Mayor Lenny is a nice bit of economical rewriting.
Yeah, the mayor already threw them out, so he wouldn't be that annoyed that they got committed. He was just as guilty as Hardemeyer for ignoring their pleas. For him to be that pissed, he would've had to have told Hardemeyer to listen to them and do what they say, not have ignored them and rejected their requests himself.
3:34 Walter peck?
I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.
So there's footage of ray with the ecto goggles inspecting the shell of slime. ???
Somewhere there must be, in Sony's vaults. Alas, all that's ever surfaced for the public is that one still shot, which was printed in the Ghostbusters II storybook wirtten by Jovial Bob Stine. (You may have heard of him by one of his other nom de plumes: R.L. Stine, of Goosebumps fame.)
ghostbusters rock
I think the Ghostbuster are better off dealing Peck than Hardemeyer.
Outstanding job.
It could have been pacing reasons, but my guess is they didn't want to be cynical. Characters talking about positive energy, then they see Jack killed by slime and then Venkman is smirking about needing Statue of Liberty. Jack's death does not have any impact and it seems very cynical ... which is ... actually in tone with theme of GB2 and how people are sometimes detached from pain around them, but it is too philosophical and paradoxical.
I wonder if you can recreate Ray possessed driving scene.
I gave it a shot three years ago, actually. There's not a ton of footage from it out there. Maybe on the next Blu-Ray release, they'll trickle out a clip from it. I've cued this link up to the relevant portion, but you may enjoy the full video from the start for proper context. ruclips.net/video/j9G6oL7gbjk/видео.htmlsi=EN7zjmmKnjGNm7e1&t=418
@@LextheRobot Well, it was a good try. I also found two more filming images of the scene on Ghostbusters fandom, and the dialogue in November 27, 1988 draft.
Page 81-84.
ruclips.net/video/JgLiOV4bJWw/видео.html More clear driving shots.
@@Vadim_Morozov That's the source for the same shots I used. I zoomed in on the footage to obscure as much of the superimposed contest rules as possible. I felt that the eye was drawn to the words too much.
Seriously some people are too stubborn to listen to reason, there’s something beyond the realm of science. And they think the local heroes who knows what’s going on are being accused of something they’re trying to stop but there’s just somethings that are either paranormal, religious and other things that mere humans cannot or will not comprehend and thereby cannot accept.
I can see why this was deleted. Would've been a he** of a plot hole after the heroes took a swim in the stuff.
Interesting point. Let's consider... They swam in a raw river of it, and it instantly made them aggressive towards each other. Even after they stripped off their outer layer of clothes and tracked down Venkman and Dana at Armand's, Ray still acted a little bit frenetic. But they also 'positively charged' the slime for their blowers, which made both Ray and Janosz feel pretty groovy after getting hosed. The slime covering the museum could be argued to be 'actively' under Vigo's control, so presumably its primary purpose was to keep people out while he transferred his soul into a living body. And we know the slime shell didn't actually kill or eat Hardemeyer, since he's visible on the dais at Liberty Island at the end of the film when they receive the key to the city from the Mayor. There is also the odd aberration of his shot in the credits where he seems to be outside the slime shell, reacting along with the New Year's Eve revelers and seeming to be in overall good spirits. So perhaps the original intent was for Hardemeyer to emerge from the slime shell at some point after the crowd outside had begun to sing Auld Lang Syne, when the negative slime shell was being weakened by the positive vibes of the New Yorkers. Thankful to be alive, and coated in psychomagnetheric slime that just received positive energy from a few thousand people, he's now had a huge change of heart and becomes a better person.
I don't understand why they didn't add this scene in the movie?
It’s a family comedy movie. No killing.
What will part 4 look like?
Unknown. I've been trying to avoid spoilers personally, though some folks already leaked things thoughtlessly on social media, so I know more than I intended to.
Very nice job, i would've liked to see everything pre the slime swallowing scene
To me i understand why the latter scene was deleted, it doesn't make sense why he's still around considering Lenny was about to beat the hell outta him in the office for committing the Ghostbusters.
For him to look slightly annoyed rather than "why are you still here? I fired you! Get him out of here" makes little sense.
The tenth level of hell line is excellent however
Ah, well, the thing about that is, the firing scene in the Mayor's office was a rewrite/reshoot that happened late in the making of the movie and was edited in to streamline things for the finale. So it was in effect a replacement for this scene; they never would have used both in the same story. I believe those late reshoots also included all of Egon's closeups when they're standing there looking at the license plate on Ecto, as well as the scene where Winston rescues Ray and Egon from the fire at the firehouse, and the tunnel sequence when they see the severed heads. Ivan Reitman was amazing at realizing what was working and what wasn't, and was particularly adept at course-correcting editorially before the movie opened. This fan-edit is my attempt at a reconstruction of what was originally scripted/shot/intended for Hardemeyer's comeuppance, plus in the original script it was Louis and his cousin Sherman (played by Eugene Levy) who got the 'busters out of Parkview. By writing/shooting/inserting that one quick scene with the Mayor, two storylines were resolved far more quickly: Hardemeyer gets his just desserts and the busters get sprung, all in one fell swoop. Me personally, I always felt the ending is TOO abrupt, but I admit I haven't tried to rework the entire movie per the script in order to see what the resultant pacing would be like.
Why did they cut all that out
@@deanovonbeano7727 In a single word: pacing.
This movie could've gone so far like the first one but was just rushed.
Both productions had ridiculously tight deadlines. In the case of the first film, that pressure formed a diamond. For the sequel, not so much. I love both, but the original will always be my preference.
Didn't The Mayor fired jack?
Good question. In the film as we know it, there is indeed a scene where the Mayor fires Jack Hardemeyer much earlier than this point in the timeline. But that scene was part of a late reshoot that was designed to streamline the end of the movie. I believe other things they reshot were the exploration of the tunnel with the severed heads and the ghost train, the darkroom fire where Winston rescues Ray and Egon, and (just a hunch) all of Egon's dialogue when they're staring at the Ecto-1A's license plate. So this extended scene-- which follows the original script-- was ultimately *replaced* by the shorter scene in the Mayor's office. That scene also replaced the deleted plotline of Louis springing the busters from the mental hospital with the help of his cousin Sherman. In one quick scene, we have the Mayor providing both the resolution of Hardemeyer and the busters out of jail, so you can see how it was designed specifically to help pacing.
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Ecto 1 a is better than the ecto 1
Nah, too garish.