OWED OVER $800K by CNC Motors
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- Опубликовано: 6 апр 2021
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John is another person owed by CNC Motors, and just like Shane I wanted to lend him my platform to tell his story. He reveals some new allegations that are even more concerning including possible title loans taken out against his cars without his permission! John is currently owed approximately $800K as of this video.
On the plus side, we have now recovered 4 vehicles from CNC Motors. We will continue to fight!
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Best advice anybody on RUclips ever gave on buying/selling a car. Ed Bolian: “The car, the title, and the money. Nobody ever gets all 3.”
Yup.
Exactly , I don’t understand why anyone would put a car on consignment with a dealer and give the title too, the title is your protection so none of this happens
Watching from New Zealand, this has been a fascinating few weeks this story has been unfolding
Ed bolian gives a platform to rob "my brother murdered somebody" ferretti.
Yes Jared. I get the money funds are checked then ship the car and then the title gets overnighted that day. Otherwise the title is in my safe.
How has this Clay managed to stay out of a 6 foot hole in the desert up to this point? That is the real question...
Exactly. It's not as if he screwed over one guy and the police will have a suspect. The suspect list in the end will probably be at least 100 people.
Because he can’t find a car with a clean title to drive up I-15. 🤣🤣🤣
The 3 guys I've seen interviewed so far have all been nice people. I guess he knows not to try his trick with any Tony Soprano types.
And his kids how
@@UpTheAnte1987 you ain’t kidding!! Matter of time before he screws with the wrong person. Show up at the shop and give him a choose to pay back with their car/money or his life....then Clay can choose!!
I’d be calling the FBI as this is racketeering
Exactly and why isn't the DA involved.
Once he did the forgery that’s an absolute felony so they should have been able to get law enforcement FBI etc involved. Like he said this guy may be getting ready to flee the country.
And likely wire fraud.
If Clayton is a registered Democrat the FBI won't do squat.
Question: How the hell is this Clay guy NOT sitting in jail right now?!? Seriously...there’s more than enough evidence out there to put that guy away for a long, long time.
Corruption. Muhrica!
you guys have guns in the states right? I am surprised the guy is still alive.
I’m not gonna lie- all I can think of while listening to his story is how chill he is that he’s had $800K stolen from him and he’s just chill about it. Hopefully someday I reach that level of financial “give no f’s”.... wow.... that’s level 100 moneybags status.
yeah man if i was this dude, or any of these guys for that matter, i woulda had to get really fkn physical with clay haha. thats just hot it is
He is not hurting with that kind of FU money.
@@The_Komzik who is this guy?
@@benchitura222 china young multi-million/billionaires, they made their money from the early late 90s and early 2000s when china open up its market to the world.
I wonder if CNC will take a consignment on my 1994 Ford Escort Wagon... either way - I win... if they steal it from me they actually save me the money I would dump in her to keep her running... if they sell her and actually pay me - I’d be Dollar Store rich.... lol
That one car left at CNCs parking lot must be Doug DeMuro.
Lol!
Is he affiliated with CNC?
@@AB-80X he was just borrowing cars from them to review
Clay is a pathological liar. He’s in the right business, selling cars. 😂
And he doesn't seem at all concerned. Kinda like O.J. After the dust settles, Clay will write a book called, "If I titled it."
@@jamesplotkin4674 lol
This has now become a Mini Series ! 😆
Basically...
@@normalguysupercar I just read about a company in Florida that is suing CNC the suit was filed in March of 2021
@@pkell7315 got a link to that?
@@normalguysupercar Dan I think I found it: dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flmdce/8:2021cv00686/388200
@@freddaniali that is the law suit I was talking about great job ! 👍 👍
This series of videos has convinced me to take care of selling my car if i decide to myself. What a nightmare.
Right?
I had just consigned my car the day the first video came out. I was SHOOK. Got my money though.
My friend finally went over there yesterday morning to pick up his car from consignment. He said there were two groups of people there waiting with their issues also, and I say waiting because the place wasn’t even open and it was around 11am? They had to wait for someone to show up. He didn’t manage to get his car back with no issue. And after seeing what he witnessed yesterday, was glad he picked up his car.
Probably a good move on your friends part
Why would anyone consign their car with CNC now knowing that CNC is using their sale money on operations and taking months to pay out? Once you know their method of business it seems foolish to trust them. Smart move by your friend.
Why are people still doing business with CNC, because they don't know. I don't understand how California allows them to still be open. I think it is that simple. I was never on You Tube that much until the pandemic. If it were not for Normal Guy, I would have found out about this much later. Furthermore, people see that big multimillion dollar building, clean, many high dollar cars, professional acting sales people, and they get sucked in. Many people, I believe, like to associate with what appears to be success, it seems to be part of our culture. They judge a book buy the cover and assume they can trust the good looking successful appearing business.
@@mrmotorcarsrs2034 you are right. I only stumbled upon this story via Dan's YT channel which I had never watched before. California has failed in allowing them to stay open. FBI needs to be involved too. This kids not lying. Clay sat here on this channel and cried. WTF?!?!!!
But does he still "Own" the car? I'd do any research I could to find out if the title has a loan against it or anything else.
Why isn't the California Attorney Generals' office involved in this?
Mike, CA Dept. of Corporations and Department of Motor Vehicles should be getting involved...
Because the liberals are busy fringing on people’s second amendment RIGHTs and partying at French laundry.
Their too busy letting real criminals out of jail so they can make room for people breaking covid restrictions.
@@Martin-Young They are involved. There is a huge investigation in process.
You think 🤔😤😱
I’m a regular dude living in LA when one day I told my friend, “ hey dude, you ever seen a pagani?” He said no, so I drove him to CNC from the valley. We arrived and we were just speechless given the fact CNC had every exotic. Weird vibe though, a lot of middle eastern people in the showroom, not being racist just weird how there were a lot of foreigners and not so much “americans”. Another weird thing was that every single car was unlocked. My friend and I jumped from a testarossa to ghosts to SLS to Mclaren. I thought it was pretty cool given the fact no other dealership ever lets you sit inside the cara just for the fu*k of it. I was 22 back then, now that friend I took to CNC is in jail for kidnap and murder, maybe those bad vibes rubbed off on him. Anyways....stay woke
Holy shit that story turned dark quick.
Jesus Christ
my front neighbor has a pagani.. hell a koenesegg too..
Damn that story changed up so quick
Im gonna order the DVD box set to this! HA!
Lol!
for the sake of those involved, i hope it's only 1 season!
@@DavidDavid-jb1cy One lifetime season! Boooooyyyaaahhhh Double D!
Let me know when you have VHF box set
Here’s the lesson boys and girls , if you’re going to leave a car on consignment do not give them the title and set a time limit that your car sits there
And hide a tracking device in your car so you can find it if necessary!
I think most places are going to require that you give them the title. I could be wrong on that, but they don't want to put a car up for sale not knowing where the title is or how long its going to take to get the title if they have an interested buyer.
Someone who got fucked by CNC said they DID set a time limit for how long they wanted their car there and they ended up selling the car past the sitting point without the owner’s permission
It’s telling me don’t leave my car on consignment
Even better don’t consign your car, sell it on Bring a Trailer.
You need to sue him ASAP before he sells the building and put a claim against his building
Yep, put a lien on the building. Treasury offices tend to be much more diligent regarding real estate title transfers because they want their real estate excise tax.
Does he own it or lease it? If I was one of these poor bastards, my case would have been filed long ago. You don't treat thief's with kid gloves. They will continue to long game you.
I read in the comments on another video he already sold the building to someone and is now leasing it from them
This guy Clay is on borrowed time. He is beyond cold blooded!
This one is going to be really good guys! Prepare to have your minds blown!!!
Lol you know it
My mind is ready to be blown.
Hello to another Yellow Ferrari owner. Now I know of of two people with good taste!
@@shanecarjunkie2734 Hi Shane, not yet, but I will be this December. Congrats on getting your car back!
@@freddaniali Hey Fred! Hope all is well with you!
This guy John is a good egg. Still has a sense of humor. I would sadly not be that mellow I don’t think .Amazing.
True. I’d also guess that if someone is hard selling him a 30 million dollar investment he’s probably wealthy enough the 800k is chump change.
This is what public service is all about. A man using his time AND MONEY for the benefit of others that need a voice or help. Its nice to see him deriving satisfaction highlighting a problem, and helping to resolve the problem. These are intriguing stories as well, but your good deeds havent gone unnoticed. Excellent platform, and you seem to be a problem solver extraordinaire.
Thank you very much. There was clearly a need and I had some tools I could lend to the cause.
That’s good and all, but he’s getting money from this too haha HECKA views
@@805NAVE This dude dosent have the views yet for big money.
@@805NAVE He could of done Corvette vs Ferrari and blown up the internet.
Glad I grew up in the Craigslist era selling and buying , neva in life would I pass a title without cash in hand, shid you might not even get a test drive without cash in hand, idgaf how "reputable" you are! Praying for this man and everyone affected
I grew up in the era of buying a small ad in the classifieds of the city newspaper to sell a car. And those little ads were damn expensive!
I'm happy to see the snippets of good news...but damn...this CNC unraveling is insane...
Yeah it's deep
I live less than a mile from this place and I'm completely floored, I cannot believe a business like this is right outside my front door.
2018... there goes the Pandemic excuse!
I assume Whoever thumb down on these videos are folks from CNC motor
Looks like CNC Motors is going to get points off their Doug Score…
Lol
LOL Classic
Looking back, I am so freaking lucky. Consigned 3 of my cars with them. They asked for title and I gave them the Photocopy. When I asked for the car back, he said 2 were sold but below my asking price without my permission. Took him weeks to cut me a check only to BOUNCE and good thing for me, I am local and keep on going up there to finally get the check! Luckily they paid off even though I got burned! Sorry for others who never got their title and payment.
I was actually warned by one of my friends who is also in the exotic car biz that they are running some sort of Ponzi back in early 2019. This happened way before the Covid.
JUST SUBMITTED YOUR VIDEOS TO LA TIMES DAN. I HOPE THEY CONTACT YOU
Thank you. I've been trying to get the media to pick up the story as it's way bigger than me or what I'm equipped to handle.
Fellow Texan new to the channel. Love what your doing for everyone and enjoying your other content as well. Subscribed thanks for what you do
Thank you! Yeehaw!
Dude you’re a champ for car guys everywhere. I watched this same exact scenario play out in Seattle many years ago in an Exotic Dealership my friends financed. Same story, not on such a scale, but the same. I used to hang out there almost everyday as we had as part of the dealership a sweet “hangout” room and a stage for playing music. It was fun. The main guy who ran the place was a straight up con. He used to tell customers repeatedly “I have a warehouse with 80 Porsches” he had none. Guy was a legendary liar, everything after good morning was a lie. Everything. Just insane.
Love your channel keep up the good work you are a stellar guy for using your channel to help these folks out. Cheers!
"Everything after good morning was a lie" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Man... It's really scary how common this seems to be.
Clay from CNC has managed to destroy the consignment industry.
To be fair, it seems like it needs an overhaul anyways. Too easy to have fraud and other issues.
This has been going on for years. I've seen this in the 90's
This happens all the time all over the country. In the Chicagoland area alone there have been a half dozen places that have had similar situations in the last 5-10 years
I honestly don't know why anyone would consign a car, ever, any car whether it's a $1K beater or a Laferrari. Either the dealership takes it in trade, or they buy it from you. Or...novel idea, you could sell it yourself. If it's priced right the buyer will find you.
I always assumed some type of escrow company held on to the title on consignments but I guess not
Wow this is getting very interesting please keep this up your helping people that really need this to get out.
To say the least, this dude has good taste for cars.
He has money
Whenever you hand someone a title, that someone hands you cash.
CNC stole my lunch money back in high school
Dan it was great talking to you the other day. Thank you for taking the time to answer my car questions when you didn’t even know who I was. As far as the CNC issues. Your like a good hunting dog! Lol. Stay on the scent to find and help as many people as you can! Your doing a great job. You are a class act!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Joe
Thank you
Crazy story... be a sick feeling getting screwed put of 3 cars, much less almost losing a LaFerrari!
Yikes. Thank God he got the LaFerrari back. He'll get the SLS back. 911 and Jag kiss it gone, especially the Jag. Man if this is accurate we are talking jail time (allegedly).
Maybe not... That Jag was stolen and the bank may think they own it, but they don't.
Retaining title may not protect you. The New Jersey courts said the buyer of Rob Ferretti's Ferrari bought in good faith from a dealer so title and car had to go to buyer even though Rob did not turn over title. Will depend on State laws and court decision.
Stop with the Good Faith stuff! Not a valid sale. CNC never owned the car so they can’t sell it in good faith.
What a class act what this channel has done for everyone involved in this crisis. Kudos !!! 🖖👍
Love the music w/montage..... you really are a class act for helping all these fine people who had nowhere to turn to..... it just validates why i want to work with you even more..... cheers my good man !!!!
Thank you
FYI, he has already sold the CNC property to an investment group which a relative of mine is part of, and he has leased it back from them. This investment group also own the adjacent properties to CNC. I know for a fact that the deal closed almost two weeks ago. My guess is he is just buying time to cash all tangible assets and move them around out of reach of all claimants. I’m not a lawyer, but I would take immediate legal action to prevent him from moving assets around and out of reach.
He's going to flee. That's why he sold his house already.
This dude has a legit collection.
Rich Chinese kids in CA, very normal
@@korey403 nope they just smarter than Americans
CNC is just one of MANY dealerships that regularly practice these charades when customers sell through consignment.
Not a charade or a float, it's pre-order fraud, you don't get to use customer funds as an interest free business loan.
It sucks for the others but this is the best thing that’s ever happened to the channel channel LOL more intense content!!
Terrific education you are providing with this story! Great job!
Thank you Jon for sharing your story with us. Hope you get the cars back. Ignore the rude comments some people are making.
Somebody, if not already done, should be talking with the attorney general of California, or maybe another state, or even the FBI
Absolutely!
It’s not as easy at it seems because in the grand scheme of things, is a situational loophole
Incredibly calm and passive explaining his story! I couldn’t handle it as well as he did.
ahh the power of the internet!!! all the luck everyone, i hope honesty prevails!!!! stay safe and take care everyone
Makes me sick. I hope everyone involved gets properly taken care of, especially Clayton
Imagine having so many cars you got reminded to check and see if CNC still has them lol. Sad story but how do you almost forget about 3 cars 😂especially rare cars
youre poor
Only his barber can answer that question. Moe bowl haircut and buck-teeth.
@@allengregory69 you too
@@allengregory69 lmao don’t admit what you are😂I have plenty of cars my self.
@@The_Komzik my family has a collection of over 100 cars all from various makers...we have a garage manager who is in charge of getting cars to the places they need to be. I am just surprised he doesn’t have someone that would manage his collection.
Way to go Dan. This content is so relevant to the Normal Guy experience. Can't wait to learn more on the buying and selling of cars from this CNC fiasco. This could have happened to any one of us, as we can see by the number of people having issues. In a perfect world this would not be happening, but this is the reality. Thanks for being the person that sees an issue and steps up to help. Love your character and your channel.
PS I'm ready for Meg to review her new BABY, The Mini.
Haha yes the mini review is on the list of videos I need to make soon
Whoa! Title loans!? Wtf!? As always great work Dan!
This is absolutely bananas. Clay has to be packing his bags and looking at heading south…
Nuts man! Never felt so bad for a rich kid! LOL
Its insane
He can be any age from 25 to 49 you never know
Thank god you typed this. Wtf?
@@petersu5364 Looks more like a teen, especially his judgment. Who just hands over the title?
@@jamesplotkin4674 I’m guessing family money / family businesses. First world problems
The rabbit hole is so deep. Kudos to this guy and how calm he is
Sad story and frustrating just to hear. Hope everyone is made whole. Good job Dan for your work on this.
This guy is so calm. 800k is like 800 for him. 😂
Isn’t Forgery enough to get the authorities involved.
You'd think so
@@normalguysupercar think about getting the FBI involved?
@@normalguysupercar I guess it’s up to John to either go to the local authorities and/or FBI and say his signature was forged. Somebody has to file a police report in order to get the ball rolling.
I guess the sad part is once that is done somebody is going to be out money. So they are just waiting and hoping somehow Clay can resolve but doesn’t seem possible unfortunately.
@@Luciddreamlbj if I were a betting man I’d say the local field office already has a case at least being built if not under active investigation. There is already enough for investigation with the bank fraud, but if cars were consigned from out of state, or sold to out of state buyers and these shenanigans were occurring it becomes not only bank fraud for the checks bouncing and being canceled but interstate commerce laws have been violated. In some ways the federal government treats that worse then bank fraud since there is no real insurance to cover interstate commerce loss.
You should get Clay to come back and do a response to this video and watch him squirm.
Do they allow filming in prison?
He's obviously selling everything to run away lol he ain't coming back anywhere
Great content as usual!
Thank you
Great stuff Dan!
A title search on the building might show owner and any liens. Not sure what is public in California.
CNC in Upland is owned by "Clay Thom Properties" (his dad) and CNC Ontario is owned by "CNC Motors". Not sure the reasoning behind this. Also, his home in Upland (that he claimed to RENT, haha sure) is up for sale and his dad lives right next door (one is in a trust and the other is in multiple family members' names). Shady shady shit going on.
Wow, just wow. Kudos to Dan yet again for helping these folks get their cars back. The guy at the end, I watched his story a few days back and it broke my heart. That could have easily been me and sounded like he went thru a similar year as I did. Glad he got his car back, hope it’s working and they didn’t do more damage.
Keep up the great work Dan! Don’t let the haters get you down. I really feel for everyone affected by this Ponzi scheme.
You’re a hero man, it breaks my heart hearing that people are getting their prized possessions and hard earned money yanked away from them by this greedy scumbag. You truly are an awesome dude and care about other enthusiasts. Thank you for your service! Bless you.
Well thank you very much
I’m predicting Dan is going to be on National tv AGAIN. Being a special guest / witness on CNBC’s American Greed.
LOL best part was when he said he didn't remember CNC had 3 of his cars for 2 years until he saw these videos.... Sad but damn man how do you just leave expensive rare cars laying around like that without checking up on them for years. Thank God he got the LaFerrari back. I bet Clay was pissed as shit when he couldn't get that title loan.
So lucky he didn't lose the La Ferrari!
I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that the guy has been busy running a pretty successful business if at his age he’s got the kind of cash to leverage for these kinds of cars. I’ll bet he’s been just working and trusted these guys because by all accounts they were a reputable car dealer.
And to anyone who might think “oh poor rich guy lost some money big deal” well that’s not the real issue here it’s that the CNC motors thing screwed lots of people on both ends of a deal. And I don’t care if it’s an $800 dollar Ford pinto, if it mine and I’m owed money I should get it.
@@shawnhicks619 very well put!!
@@shawnhicks619 i guess you never saw the "rich second generation of China " on RUclips.
@@shawnhicks619 l actually want a Ford Pinto!
you are doing a good thing ,, keep em coming
Thank you for helping people get there money and cars back.
You need to make a video responding to baller busters for calling you out for nothing
Must be inherited/mommy and daddy's money. Nobody who earned this money would be so naive.
I doubt it Asians are smarter with money than Americans
@@Tyriq_23 Ah, the upbeat racism
I love watching this series!
Lookin forward to the next episode of Crooks N Cars!
Jalopnik needs to cover this
Agreed.
Dude's got a La Ferrari and an Enzo?? Wow, he's a player!
Yup
@@jeffrh1000 Yep. You'd be surprised how much money you could make in just 3 years of tech. Hell... it's not hard nowadays to be self-taught.
@@SimpleEW Or manufacturing and retail.
With just a small one million dollar loan from his dad
@@pegcity4eva LOL Is that a reference to Trump?
Happy to see two people get sorted out. What a story! Well done Dan!
Thank you
I love the ceiling lights in your shop could you be so kind as to share where you got them please
Dan, your channel is the only thing that has helped these people. Attorneys, DMV, Upland Police, FBI, DA and AG are silent. Thank you Dan!
Call the DMV Fraud Investigations in Riverside and File DMV Form INV 172A www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/file/investigations-record-of-complaint-inv-172a-pdf/ and yes, the Upland Police Department is useless. Has anyone contacted the DA?
Never give up a title without funds of your car. Rule Fing 1
This is great what you’re doing Dan. Hopefully, it helps get more and more innocent people their money back. I must be a newbie here with this question but I always wonder why people deal their Ferraris to a mom and pop type dealership. While I know CNC was a large mom and pop, why aren’t more Fcars in the secondary market bought and sold through franchise dealers instead? If I buy any used cars via a dealer, it’s always through a franchise dealer. Would seem to at least not have to worry about this sort of Ponzi scheme that way.
That's insane they are literally 3 minutes from my shop
Knowing that they're doing this is absolutely insane!!!
Whoa. This is just getting started....
Yeah, it's going bigger. :(
That guy is too nice and trusting.... wow.
Sadly yes. But in a way also a sad statement of our world that he can't be trusting without getting screwed.
He clearly has money. Why wasnt he on clays throat with lawyers back in 2018?
@@herkherk135 indeed
I know you've heard it before, but Dan, YOU'RE THE MAN! Respect for your efforts and empathy.
Thanks Dan for helping everyone......
La Ferrari's are not sold in places like CNC. He must be a trust fund "baby". CNC saw him coming from a mile away.
Yeah he's definitely not acting like a person that earned the 800k he's owed. Unless he earned hundreds of millions and losing a million won't hurt him.
@@mikedrop4421 you shouldn’t own a car like this unless you have like 25M. This guy easily has over 100M considering Enzo, LaFerrari etc
I'm afraid Mr Clayton may have a can of whoop ass coming his way from someone. For his sake I hope he has a bodyguard
Keep up the great work! Truly shocking!
I’m glad I saw this. I was getting ready to buy a Ferrari from then. I didn’t know the dealership was like this.
I wish you could do a video on Top1 Motors in Modesto California.. they stole my sons money and many others ... 😤
Bro holy hell this dude is like 16 with 15 supercars lmao
A lot of money can be made as a "model"
@@jamesplotkin4674 whatever way he made it, it's kind of impressive
How is he so calm and how does he get his money back or his cars. I never thought this could happen in the exotic car market. Dang this would suck horrible.
This last story is insane. It is amazing what some people do. A mentor I had once said "a fool and his money will soon part." It's insane what this CNC business has been doing to people with their crazy business practices. This goes to show this has been going on for years. It be interesting to know what the laws are in California for car dealerships? I owe you 800K ; but, would you be interested in my building or the rights to the CNC name LOL. The drone shot doesn't make it look like they are going to be around long much longer. They probably moved to another location. Dan congrats on helping folks get their cars back and/or getting people made whole in this mess. I've learned some good takeaways on schemes these dealers can play and also on consignment buying and selling.
Dan the man - keep it up bro!!!
Thanks
Can't people just sell their cars on their own? Or they should just trade it in for a different car with a reputable dealer face to face.
You are a great person for helping all these victims man god bless you and yours.
Thank you
Like how Clay/CNC sent him two text msg's about wanting to buy the building and or the "dealership" that's just crazy town .
Tonight on American Greed.
FYI: John has good taste in cars.
This is Boiler Room level theft
I hope you have purchased rights to the music you use on your channel, because it really is part of your brand! I love it! It's like the end of a favorite 70s sitcom! LOL
I do have that license.
@@normalguysupercar I meant that I hope you can keep and use it exclusively, so everyone will always associate it with your channel. :)