The CNC Motors Update You've Been Waiting For
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- Опубликовано: 31 окт 2023
- I know it took a long time for investigators to unravel the situation, but it's finally happened. Clay Thom, owner of the ill-famed CNC Motors, was finally arrested and charged with multiple crimes. This is in criminal court, not civil. His bail was set to a massive $8.7M! It's safe to say the prosecutors are not messing around.
Clay's booking can be found here: ngsc.me/clay
You can watch the entire CNC Motors saga here: • MASSIVE FRAUD INVESTIG...
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Sounds like Clay ripped off a judge or lawyer at some point. $8.7 million is the most I’ve heard for a property crime.
That's a huge bail. I'm happy with that. Lol
Think of it as 100 x $87,000
@Zyworski you are very good at math.
@@absolutelynonameslef The point is that abnormally high bail is a product of the abnormally high number of victims there were. I can tell you right now that the general public has minimal sympathy for Ferrari owners so it is up to enthusiasts like us to recognize the need for and push for consumer protection legislation.
You only have to post 10% in CA. Asset, cash etc. He can go to a bondsman and use a car he ripped someone else off for as collateral.
This was a long time coming. You lead the charge on this fraudulent operation. So glad Clay is now finally in jail for all the horrible things he did to people. So many lives were destroyed by this jerk. Thank you for the great work on exposing him!
Yes indeed!
Nice work keeping on top of this over the years! $8.7M is a MASSIVE bail amount. It shows how seriously the court considers him as a flight risk.
Yup that aren't messing around
He's lucky someone didn't take there own justice out on him.
Seriously
Hard to imagine being an owner of a car that is stuck in limbo for so long... that's tough..... glad steps have been taken towards accountability....
Yeah it's been a horrible situation for a lot of people
I remember watching all of your videos on this. You could tell that it was getting to you the bigger it got. I am glad that justice may finally be served in some way.
Yeah it was extremely stressful
Thank you for keeping up on this story. Have learned a lot from you.
My pleasure!
Good idea to have your clients hold on to titles on Consignment cars!
Yeah we don't need them to consign a car
Hold on to titles and your car
great update. Thanks!
You bet!
Fantastic, you breaking this story is one of the reasons I subscribed to your channel 👍🏼😎
Awesome, thank you!
Thanks! I always wondered about them.
No problem!
@@normalguysupercar ~ I know your reporting days are over but could we get the scoop on the Savage garage guy? Walter Chronkite would be proud of you, I know it…🤔🤣🤣
I have not seen a video from Dan in a long time. I am glad to see the CNC scandal wrapping up. Never say never because you never know what is going to drop into your lap. I began following you over the coverage you provided on the dark side of car consignments and am game for more if it is something that affected you directly.
Welcome back!
Though I didn’t buy my McLaren 570 nor my i8 from CNC, they treated me well as a potential buyer of both those cars. (I ended up buying my i8 from McLaren Walnut Creek and my McLaren from West Coast Auto Gallery in San Diego). They assessed quickly I was a serious buyer and put me behind the wheel of a 570 for a test drive and also let me flog a Lotus Evora that actually had been the reason for my visit. I’m grateful they put me out n the 570 because I was sold at that point. The prices were too high at CNC and I wasn’t ready to buy until the depreciation kicked in. But over all my experience was very good. The salesperson I dealt with was Rex.
@@skittlesgarage Clay frauded the buyers as well, there were people who could not get their titles.
@@Zyworski Thanks for the info. Looks like I may have dodged a bullet.
I got burned by a Southern California small lot dealer who loaded up his lot with cars from Manheim Auction. He never paid Manheim so they wouldn't release the pink slip. My daughter needed the car for her work but she couldn't drive it because the tags expired. We had to sue Manheim and it took over 2 years to get the title. The DMV investigator says this happens all the time and they don't file charges until the losses are over 10 million dollars. The investigator said that many small lot dealers are doing this and the large name dealers are also collecting the taxes and registration but refusing to turn them in so the buyers have to pay again to get their registration tags.
Somehow that doesn't shock me but it is disappointing to hear
I forsee a day when a gymnasium full of Ferrari luggage is discovered Indiana Jones style and everyone is made whole again!😂
Haha
Only in a perfect world
Won't happen. I bet you that luggage is long gone. That's a lot easier to move than the cars.
This is great news! Put him under the jail and throw away the key. Thanks for the update.
Yup
Wow, what news!! The wheels of justice ⚖ move so slow 🐌. Very sorry to all the victims who trusted that jerk.
Indeed
This story is how I actually found your channel. I know a guy who was scammed out of his McLaren by this guy a few years ago. They "sold" his car to another guy and transferred it to the new owner without ever having the title to the car. He ended up getting the car back after a couple years but it was a huge legal and financial nightmare nobody should ever have to go through.
Yeah that's what he did to lots of people. It's terrible
You needed to find the car! Good work. Dan.
Thanks
NICE JOB MAN! GLAD YOU DID WHAT YOU COULD TO HELP OUT YOUR COMMUNITY!
Thank you.
He's not doing too bad. He was arrested at 2121 N Laurel Ave in Upland. Zillow has its value at $2mm.
I heard he was renting
Probably squatting.
the really bad part is the branded luggage and tools were allegedly removed and sold on eBay, too
Yeah
As repulsive as it comes. An American to be ashamed of.
I think i brought a set. Ouch
I first subbed after your first CNC video!
Awesome!
Dan I think you're right, the charges are placeholders. I think more charges will drop. Let's not forget that Fed charges are coming, especially tax evasion. The IRS had called in during one of his civil depositions. This is starting to hit the news. The Patch has a nice summary with a little more information. Thanks for the videos Dan.
You bet
I recall a boat shop in Upland Ca that was doing the same thing with consignments.
That doesn't shock me
A danger of selling on consignment is that you make the consignment lot your agent. As the seller you can’t withhold the car because your own agent absconded with the money the buyer paid.
Yeah it's all civil court stuff when it falls apart which makes it harder to resolve
@@normalguysupercar yes, this sounded like a case of commingling funds. They should have had an operating account to deposit commissions and pay company bills and a trust account of the sellers money.
Thnx!
You're welcome
Wow interesting content and thanks 🙏 for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it
CNC story is how i found your channel…been watching since
Awesome! Thank you!
There's NOTHING worse than a thief.......
Well other criminals can be worse but yeah I get your point. Lol
Agree. My brother stole my grandma's insulin money to get a Gold Pair of the Trump Sneakers
In the press release from the California Attorney General's office, they mention there are 4 million dollars in fraud/theft and 4 million in back sales taxes / statutory penalties. So that's 8 million of the bond amount there, just to ensure those amounts are secured. I think this means the bail can't be reduced below that amount as well... and probably has to be in cash.
That also suggests that there's possibly almost $100m in fraudulent sales as that's just for the unpaid taxes
the long arm of the law finally caught up👮
Yup
It's a true shame that all this happened in the first place, but a bigger shame would have been the state looking at it and saying "welp, he's bankrupt i guess that's that, sorry everyone!"
Not that him ending up in prison is a GOOD thing, but it's the path he chose to go down so it's on him. At least he's being held accountable.
Totally
I was just thinking whatever had happened to Clay yesterday haha
Yup. I think about that occasionally
@@normalguysupercar Y'all have some really boring lives 😂
@@sl5946boring? Or somewhat blessed? When we're in good health, have a roof over our heads, and aren't on the verge of collapse, then we can have a bit of mental bandwidth to think about things like this periodically.
You the man Dan 🤘
Thanks
The RTC charges are revenue and taxation code... for failing to file/pay his sales tax. California is brutal about that for businesses.
Al Capone did 11 years in Alcatraz for tax evasion. It is easy to prove versus fraud.
Yup
Great vid but you need some Flonase!
Yup
Yes finally some news!
Yup!
Sweet ❤. Lock him up. 🙏🏻
Yup!
What I still can't believe is that when you interviewed him to get his side of the story he sat there and pleaded with everyone to give him time and he would sort everything out and everyone would get what they were due in due course.
No kidding. Delusional
Deny and delay is a tactic
Finally justice
Agreed
Long time coming. I’m so glad he didn’t commit fraud for hundreds of millions of dollars. Or steal government top secret information or try to overthrow a government. Because if he did he’d still be free!!
Thank god he just ripped off a few peoples cars. Now he can go to jail. Whew.
Don't worry. Bidens day is coming. 😂
@@HighHorsepower220 ummm ok? Tell me you’ve got a low IQ without telling me you have a low IQ.
@@Treetopflyer777 I voted for Sleepy Joe! 🤣
@@HighHorsepower220 hey. If Joe did something illegal, throw the book at ‘em. I’m an equal opportunist when it comes to accountability.
@@Treetopflyer777 "If" 😂
One should refrain from wishing ill will on anyone, but Clay deserves everything he has coming. I'm glad to see that he is in some way held accountable.
Agreed
Civil matters are peculiar. If you eat a $50 meal at a restaurant and leave without paying, you can be arrested for theft of services. However, a renter can beat a landlord out of $thousands in rent and that's only a civil matter. I'm amazed that anyone got pinched in this matter.
Yeah the civil stuff is nuts. Hard to follow because of how many cases
Why not? Everyone who's been to Epsteins island is still walking free?
I still remember and feel bad for Matt and his story at FML RUclips channel.
Oh yeah that still sucks
Don’t forget there was this little known RUclipsr named Doug who used CNC to source enthusiasts cars for his car videos. When CNC collapsed, Doug had to find a new place to find his RUclips cars so he decided to make his own car auction site. He then sold his auction site and Doug is now a multimillionaire lol!
Yeah but I'm not sure that really has anything to do with Clay being a criminal
THIS.... is the story I came here for!
He needs a nice long stay in a federal prison
Agreed
These are state charges
That guy should be put in jail for buying a yellow car
Ha
I'm sure Meg would agree lol.
I remember in the 80s that European rare cars were rife with scam dealerships, and nobody learned their lessons. I also remember that it ALWAYS involved some dark money from the get go. Why anyone would want to go full shady in life is another mystery.
Yup
Greed.
Im still watching that certain shop in FL that tried to scam you.
Me too
This is what is going to happen to the Time Piece Gentleman
Perhaps
Good.
Agreed
I had one of my super car consigned at CNC one month before then Dan made his video exposing them. Something was wrongs. I don't know how I know but I went up to the dealership and demanded my car back, made a scene and was not willing to walk out without my car. Even had my keys willing to jump into the car and just ram through the garage. A damaged car is still having a car. Still could be fixed. Missing car can never get it back.
Good on you. That's lucky man.
Karma finally collected 👏👏👏👏
Yup!
I hope he's in jail. He screwed a whole bunch of people.
Indeed
Thanks so much for the update! However curious, what is now or who is occupying that large facility that CNC Motors was at out in Upland!? Also where are you located!? 🤔
I heard Tesla is there. I'm in Texas
@@normalguysupercar Interesting..... FYI ~ myself and a friend were at CNC Motors back in 2019, seemed like an outstanding facility then..... 🤔
Tesla is there now@@normalguysupercar
You sound very congested
I am
He sure was in a tanglement with all the businesses and victims
Yup
Seeing this come to a close, the guy has no remorse
Nope
also, I think you said a lot of owners chose not to come forward and report the alleged crime due to fear of public embarrassment
I suspect that many didn't
Wow, what an awful experience for those who placed their trust in him. Anything about his brother and others involved with the company? Can't imagine there was one person involved in this complex scheme.
His business manager is also in jail but I am not aware of anyone else.
@@normalguysupercar Ok, if you recall, I was the one who met you and your friend and the three of us drove over to CNC. I was interviewed by Calyton and three others for a sales position but I'm sure glad it didn't materialize.
@@eaglerider94 I recall that very well.
Is he the guy putting all the Ferrari luggage on BaT? I remember when this started you reported that no one seemed to get the luggage that the consignment customer left w the cars.
I see that stuff on BaT all the time. Seems to coincidental!!
Probably related
Never do consignment on anything cars ,Watches , furniture....
Basically
Doug DeNiro be like C&C Motors is out of business please use cars and bids
Ok
Karma has no expiration date.
True
Its a tesla place now right? Couldve swore passing by it on the 210
That's what I heard
Never put your car up for consignment, never buy a car you feel the need to get out of or your life is over, if you are buying cars and it’s such a hit to your life you made the wrong decision. Always make a smart decision and don’t buy a Ferrari for example.
Eh I disagree about the Ferrari part
This is what happens when dealers in slow times start dipping into sales tax account money or using sold car loan pay off proceeds/ amounts to prop up the business instead of paying lenders. Also with dealer DMV bonds being so low, the house of cards doesn't take much to collapse quickly with exotic car values.
Yup
Had nothing to do with slow times as the economy was fine. Greed is what this was all about.
Wonder if his brother Fraser will be arrested to since he was the one running it. It’ll be interesting for sure
No idea
I was told Fraser left the company when he disagreed how the finances of the company was being handled. Clay wanted Fraser to invest his fireman retirement income to support the company.
@@TomH-qi6xeinteresting, wouldn’t surprise me. I did a couple transactions with Fraser and never would’ve thought this was going on. Crazy
I did business with Clay - we made custom belts for them to give to their clients. I felt the same way. His dad created the company but died of cancer so the boys took over. His legacy is down the drains.@@rickydavis1051
Good he got caught. It's sad he got in that deep when he could of made good honest money. The client list was long and could of been even longer if he kept it on the up and up.
Yeah for sure
Can the people get there vehicles back?
Most cannot.
Carrio motors in Ft.Lauderdale, fl in also in hot water
Source?
@@normalguysupercar
Miami herald, and it said that 3 or 4 former customers had filed a complaint with the attorney General of Florida plus some had call DeSantis office. This was an article about 2 years ago.
@@IMB322 interesting and not shocking in the least. Lol
@normalguysupercar
You're right but it's a Shame. They have very cars ( at least on photos).
Long time coming. I denounced them on FChat a long time ago. Read their BBB complaints. They've been shady for longest time.
Tesla seems to be busy at the now defunct CNC location
Yup
I was wondering if you could help me expose another dealership…?
Possibly. Are you in contact with Matt? If so, email me dan@normalguysupercar.com
he was released on bail
Was the 8 Million bail reduced?
Just saw that. Ugh
I can't believe he didn't leave the country a long time ago. I'm sure he'll plead out. Hopefully the feds can get him for wire fraud or some other federal crime. It's a shame so many people had to get scammed before CNC got busted.
Where do you flee to when you have nothing? Clay is not the kind of professional criminal who knows how to get fake passports, safe houses, new identities etc.
Clay is a professional CRIMINAL, not a PROFESSIONAL criminal.
It is interesting that he didn't flee
He's off on bail right now
Yup
And there was much rejoicing
Indeed!
Damn it Dan! I’m trying to listen to what you were sayin’ about Clay and there’s an awesome GT40 behind you. Then there’s a cute brunette flippin’ her hair around with ya infront of said GT40. How’s a guy suppose to concentrate???😂
Lol!
Book him Danno
Heck yeah.
Where are the cars?
All over
Meg, quit taunting Dan with all that hair!
Lol right?
Send him some soap....
😂🧼
Lol
I’m surprised he stuck around and didn’t move himself to a non-extradition country before the S hit the fan.
No kidding
He will use some of the money he stole from his clients to defend himself in court. He’ll serve a year or two. Once he’s out, he’ll just dig the hole back up pull out the money and enjoy life. That’s how the politicians who get caught pulling scams do it. Lol.😂😂😂😂😂
Pretty much
Honestly not shedding a tear for these rich guys Go buy another one
Ok
I just remember Doug demuro using CNC for most of his reviews and then the review videos just stopped. I heard then something sketchy was going on…
Yup
you should get your 10% whistle blower fee
Lol I'd rather have the people made whole
You steal Tens of Millions of Dollar's and you go to Jail,well I will be Damned!! Great work Dan,you had a part in bringing this piece of Sh-t to Justice,thanks Dan!!!
You're welcome
I think he tried to live a lifestyle that he seen his clients live. And he got in over his head . And typically like others before him . Clay robbed Peter to pay Paul . And like others before him it always fails. Time to send old Clay a care package I am thinking a plastic model car perhaps a Ferrari LaFerrari / Bugatti Chiron/ $16.95 @ Target 1:24scale along with some . Climax brand lube and knee pads . To kind of help him out a little and give him suttle reminder . I think that would be a nice parting gift for the guys who lost there 458 or GT3 RS and are just out of that money period . How terrible.
Pretty much
Would you be fine clay getting around 5 years in jail, or do you feel he deserves more?
Personally I think more
It's California, so they go easy on criminals sadly @@normalguysupercar
Him and his business manager were indicted for sales tax fraud as well.
Yup
Who was his business manager
Looks like none of those charges are for what he stole in cars. Looks like a diffrent case all together. Looks more like he was doing some type of labor at someones home and fraudulent defrauded the ederly person. He probably had a stolen gun in the presses.
No it's accounting fraud, tax evasion, and property theft (auto)
Plot twist: Doug Demuro Is named as co conspirator 😮
Lol
Sadly we already know Clay's "Quirks and Features"....
No, it took so long because the California DMV fumbled the case... BADLY.
Well we shall see
Perhaps if electric cars were involved, they would of took more notice.
Was that a 12 yr old child talking about his stolen La Ferrari?
No
In your opinion, is Clay at all sorry for these alleged crimes and hurting his customers?
He didn't seem to have much remorse from what I've seen.
The booty house at his age....
Lol
Mr. Demuro, are you aware of this(I'm pretty sure that you are)?
He is. He talked about it on a reddit post
@@normalguysupercar Thanks Guy!
Clay made bail.
Yeah. I'm not surprised
You doodoo consignments 😅
He said doodoo