Call me crazy, but I really like the Composite NTSC signal a lot more. The colors are more saturated and the details are clearly designed to pop in that signal. (e.g. the skid marks on the track) Best solution is still to grab the CRT off the neighbor's curb when they toss it out like so much refuse. (I had an extended conversation with a few people on this very practice at the Vintage Computing Festival last week.)
I think that is a pretty solid statement. My only exception would be the N64. Which does look a bit nicer. It's really not enough to make me switch over the 64 but it will definitely be used at conventions like MGC. Doom64 could use the brightening...
The focus I assumed was from putting a camera in front of the TV. My phone does that on my other channel when I did NES Lets Plays but I have never owned good capture software so thats my best option for capture.
Great comparison video! I'd have to agree with a few of the comments. I rock s-video on a CRT and it just blows these HDMI cables out of the water. However, the convenience for connecting to a flat panel when you don't have space for a CRT is legit. They'll keep refining the tech and it'll get to where it needs to be eventually. 👍
That's exactly why I'm looking at this review.. I have a great CRT and an s-video cable for SNES/N64/GC, but my CRT is in storage for the moment and my flat panel doesn't have s-video.. so I think I'll pick this up!
I didn't check the reviews on this thing when I bought it and I wish I did. Mine not only has the awful colors, but also weird artifacts on some colors like red and horrendous sound with a weird high pitched buzz. Super weird since the hdmi adapter hyperkin made for the Xbox has none of those issues and drastically improves the image with no real downside
The best thing about this Hyperkin was the BOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, front, right, left, top, but not the bottom, as that was boring. Thanks Rob, for showing another un-boooooooooooooxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxing and slight magic, with the opening of the Boxxxxxxxxxxx.
I just tried using one of these for a Snes Jr and realized after fighting with it and doing some research that it won't work until the Snes Jr is modded. Live and learn I guess.
It's a lot brighter. The "washout" is a bit overblown though my recording equipment, but I did not think it would be fair to turn the TV brightness down in the "HD" recording. They should match.
@@Retr0Rob Thanks for clearing that up, as the washout wasn't necessarily bad, I just love saturation. If it's not too bad then likely I could fiddle with the TV to handle the rest. Clarity and how clean the image quality couldn't be ignored though. The HDMI did great on that.
I've seen a few reviews and the general consensus is that the colors are washed out on this device. In general Hyperkin's color palettes seem to be a bit off when it comes to their HDMI cables and their consoles. Their shade of red, in particular is the really big issue. The one thing to note is that this isn't actually an upscaler. Rather it's just taking the signal and passing it through HDMI without doing anything like line doubling than an upscaler would do, so it's not going to make a huge improvement. For what it is, it's a cheap way to play these consoles on a tv that might not have AV in.
@@Retr0Rob That being said, Hyperkin's not a bad company. Their controllers are pretty top-notch. I love the Cadet (their version of the NES controller).
On the composite out my recording equipment upscales the video causing it to look better than it really would on screen. I wanted the comparisons to be accurate. Sadly I'm not particularly happy with the way the video turned out, but it gets the point across.
I got one of these and it seems OK. I've only played Chibi-Robo for Gamecube with it so far, but I think it's better than it would be with AV on my 4K flat screen... I came here for side-by-sides to tell the difference, but it's hard to tell in the recordings. The game still looks good, but textures like the Skip logo are still blurry. I'm not sure if that just means the image file used is inherently compressed though.
I did notice on the 64 when you were playing mario kart, that the hills in the background looked smoother around the edges with this cable, standard cable they were very jagged. I might try this out , to me i can see an improvement. My 64 looks garbage on my flat screen so ill take any little improvement i can get.
I have the genesis Hyperkin HDMI cable and it is fantastic looking on an LCD. Is there a different in upscaling the Genesis vs the N64 with these cables?
To be honest, your better off just getting an av to hdmi converter. It's probably cheaper, and you don't have to have washed out screens like the hyperkin cable. The one I use is the Old Skool converter. it has mixed reviews, but for my N64 it works great. I just wish hyperkin would actually make, well, you know, an improvement in the looks of the games. Looking at both, besides the obvious brighter color, they seemed very similar, almost too similar.
FYI I use both regularly (I may have mentioned that in the video) The HDMI to AVI adapters are about $10 less, but they are way flimsier and don't offer the option for 4:3 -- I also use some HDMI boxes but again they are bulky and will not help if your original AV cables are damaged -- most do not offer 4:3 out either. The general rule is you cannot get better output than what you console actually can put out. Some DO put out RGB though and I have a couple of those cables but not for the N64. Once of these days I will do an N64 game with this cable directly to my capture card and show how that looks.
@@Retr0Rob Interesting. Thanks for informing me. My adapter(Old Skool one) has an option for 4:3. I suppose it's a rarity among adapters for av to hdmi
If your TV accepts composite then there is no point using a composite to HDMI upscaler or a composite to HDMI cable. They literally contain the same chip used to handle analog inputs in most TVs except they connected it to an HDMI transmitter instead of an LCD panel. It only makes sense of your TV is HDMI-only. Now, there's a chance that the Hyperkin cable here is using S-Video instead of composite but it definitely is not using RGB like the SNES cables use since the stock N64 does not have RGB. If it works with a stock SNS-101 "mini" SNES then it is using composite because the stock SNS-101 does not support S-Video.
I bring about 10-15 consoles out to MGC each year, along with a half dozen smaller shows. 10-15 monitors come along for that ride. Getting simpler hookups is a HUGE deal for me. I tested using the Dreamcast HDMI's last year and it definitely saved time and looked really good. I used to use a Component out and an upscaler, as the larger TV's we were using had no Component in's. It looked great, but cheap upscalers cost a bit of time: both in connection and I ended up re-soldering the cheap connectors a couple times. For the record I assume that everyone knows that you cannot get better visuals than the outputs that the console provides (Outside of physical modification). Anywho. If you do large shows with small crews, these things are freaking great. I use an Extron Multiplexer for my composite at home though. I have a video on that.
@@Retr0Rob Yes, which is why it's really unfortunate that only the earliest analog to HDMI cables were powered off the console. Since they added the aspect ratio switch they stopped powering them from the console and removed the only real convenience advantage they had. :( Of course, DCHDMI, UltraHDMI, WiiDual, etc is hella-convenient but those are the kinda things you treat yourself to. ;) That said, it is possible to get better visuals from CVBS Composite through a device when compared to most digital TVs since most incorrectly apply deinterlacing to non-interlaced 240p games and some purpose-built devices don't. Some TVs do support 240p but even those often require S-Video, RGBS, or YPbPr Component. For the TVs that don't properly handle 240p a RetroTink 2X will look better and could even potentially lower the latency, since the TV won't try to de-interlace 480p. It ain't cheap tho' (~$100), which is why I don't really consider it a comparable alternative to these [analog]2HDMI and retro console HDMI cables.
@@emmettturner9452 I pretty much agree. that said most users are more concerned about whether the picture is good enough for everyday use -- does it look good? If it does than you have your solution. There is nothing wrong (or right) about that. Because how things look is really just about personal opinion. Realistically the absolutely authentic way to play is with a CRT. Real scanlines, proper ratio. Your light guns work. Not everyone has the room, money, or will to do this. Some folks either like or don't care if the aspect ratio is 4:3 or not. Stretched screens drive me nuts (even though I don't generally represent things that way in my videos). If someone likes it though, I'm fine with it. It's their opinion. Basically All these products do is help fill the gap between authenticity and what folks can deal with reasonably. I think that is just fine. The goal of gaming isn;t authenticity: It's having fun.
@@Retr0Rob Yeah. I'm just trying to inform people so they don't think there is any advantage to using one of these if your TV already has analog inputs. If it used RGB and the TV itself did not then the HDMI cable absolutely would look better but it would still lag and 60hz effects like simulated transparency would still be broken from unecessarily deinterlacing non-interlaced 240p. :(
They're crap. It's literally the exact same chip built into flat panels that still have analog audio inputs including all of the problems like deinterlacing non-interlaced 240p from SNES/N64. AVOID.
@@zockeromi1970 Yes. Main point is, this is always worse than connecting straight to your TV and, since all of the cheap external scaler boxes use the exact same chip, there's no point to a console-specific cable that cost $10 more and is even more limited than the $20 generic scaler box. Some of those have aspect ratio control now too. Just trying to get the word out before more people make Rob's mistake all over again. :(
The only retro machines that can correctly receive the HDMI signal these days are neither more nor less the Super NT and The Super Megadrive ^^ completely redone and relooked, these consoles were both Remakées = improved, studied, and specially reconfigured to be able to display this signal without hindrance;) hence their prices ... in reality having the HDMI is not given. Thank you 8bitdo and Analogue. Come on guys, you will only have to redo the N64 and it will be just perfect. :) Les seules machines rétro à pouvoir recevoir correctement le signal HDMI de nos jours ce ne sont ni plus ni moins la Super NT et La Super Megadrive ^^ refaites et relookés entièrement, ces consoles là ont étés toutes les deux Remakées = améliorées, étudiés, et reconfigurées spécialement pour pouvoir afficher sans encombre ce signal ;) d’où leurs prix... en réalité avoir l'Hdmi n'est pas donné. Merci 8bitdo et Analogue. Allez les gars il ne vous plus que la N64 a refaire et ça sera juste parfait. :)
Ugh. This is exactly the same as your external upscaler except for the aspect ratio switch. It make a lot more sense to just get an external upscaler with the aspect switch. It's the exact same thing except built into a cable. Same faults too... for example, it deinterlaces non-interlaced 240p, which makes it inappropriate for most retro systems (GC should be fine).
LOL. It's brighter and a bit cleaner through HDMI but not a lot. There is a couple of unfair things: 1) I use an Extron Switcher for my composite out which may have boosted the visuals a little better than what you might get just plugging it in. 2) It looks way brighter in the recording than it really is. Unfortunately if I filtered it to compensate then I am changing the test.... which is a problem as I would be faking it. I really hate doing screen recordings for this reason. The HDMI is a cleaner signal as there is much less noise, but it's not what most would expect. Really these use an S-Video signal as input which should be quite a bit better than composite...
Limited Run Games is currently selling these Hyperkin HDMI cables for everything from the 16bit consoles up to the Dreamcast and PS2. I don't know how the cables for all those other consoles fair, but this one is clearly garbage. Composite on a modern flat-screen should NEVER look better then HDMI, and that's exactly what I'm seeing here. This is sadly no surprise though. 3rd party brands such as Hyperkin and Retro-bit have always been extremely iffy. On rare occasions they will make a good product, but somewhere between 90-95% of their stuff is utter trash. You can almost always expect something of poor quality, and usually faulty as well. Most of their controllers have faulty D-pads for example. That's not usually something you'll notice while playing a side-scroller, but play any game with an overhead view (or anything with 4 or 8 directional movement) and you'll soon see the problem when pressing "down" causes you to move right.
It's hard to make an educated decision when we're going off of a recording from the dude's phone. None of these were captured directly from the source so you have to take them with a pretty big grain of salt.
It's not really a "3 in 1" device so much as it's that the Super Nintendo, SNES, and N64 all used the same connector for their video signal. SO basically if it works for one, it works for all.
If you got it on Amazon give it a try first (If they allow open box returns). It's not as washed out as it looks on video. I find it works OK in some situations -- It's not really bad, but not amazing either.
Well, N64 outputs only 240p, so not the best you can get from this machine. This is why Im the fan of N64 emulation, as the games look stunning in higher resolution. Same when Citra popped out. Its a much better experience than a low res 3DS. Not even mentioning PPSSPP, that is already a few years old. But ! If you'd ever get bored of upscaling the Nintendo consoles, you can always change the plug and upscale other systems ! By the way, does this thing cooperates with HVC101 Family Computer ? This would be at least cool, having 8bits displayed at high resolution, altough famiclones with HDMI are already a thing since some time eh...
It's OK if you don't expect too much out of it. I have been using one of these in my basement studio since this video was made and it has had no problems.
I can agree I recently bought a N64 for nostalgia and I only own a flatscreen and it's almost unplayable with how horrible the quality is and the lag im really thinking about modding it
Same with me but no tutorials. 90% sure we set it up right but just doesn’t seem to work on our tv. It says no signal that slowly goes across the screen
You're super famicon looked a little bit yellow you might want to leave it in the sun on a hot day to get rid of the yellowing but it must be left under sunlight
Are you talking about the aliasing? Some of the effects you see are due to the camera's attempts at focus, and to auto balance the color. I have never been very happy with recording from screens due to that and have some complaints in how videos turn out. Some 'tubers change the settings to get a better picture, but I'm always worried that changing the settings on the screen or recording equipment is in a way "cheating" as it changes the conditions of the test and I really want people to make up their own minds about this rather than convince them of my opinion. I think it can be argued either way though. There is no "Real" pixel density difference between this and composite -- It DOES upscale, but the actual output of the gamecube does not improve when upscaled: Data cannot come from no-where. If an original graphic is 64x64 and use an upscaler to upscale to 256x256 you do not get the fidelity of a 256x256 native graphic: You just get 64x64 image with more dots in it. Yes, there is AA and such, but that is a filter. not an actual improvement in the original image.
Hyperkin really missed the mark on these cables. Clearly they’re taking the composite or at best s-video signal from the console and covering it to hdmi. Everyone knows that an RGB signal will give you the best picture possible yet these cables aren’t using it.
@@Trusteft California requires a warning for plastics with a chance of releasing cancer causing chemicals. I'm not super familiar so it may or may not be very valid. I've read that there is no penalty for placing the warning "falsely" so some companies that use plastics just put it on there. I have not been able to confirm that though.
Svideo is a superior signal to composite, which is what is generally used on the consoles (and I use for the control part of the video) so it should look better. Composite combines the color and luminance signals where Svideo splits the 2 improving quality quite a bit. This is not to be confused with Component which is even clearer. All 3 supported systems mostly were played using composite cables during their production spans and only the GameCube had component out "natively" through a rather expensive cable. You cannot get a "better" signal than the device can actually output (although some improvement can be had through hardware hacking). That said some old composites get a bit of interference so these cables can come in handy in those cases.
@@Retr0Rob Thanks for the lesson but is not true the SNES can do RGB except The SNES jr and The Gamecube can do 480p with component cables or the HDMI adapter the only console that its highest resolution is thought s-video is the N64 so is doing a disservice to a SNES and Gamecube owners as RGB and 480p look better on a HD Tv and s-video does not.
@@unspacy110 Opps, forgot about RGB out, but I did mention the Component out on the Gamecube. That said s-video IS a much better output than composite which is what the vast majority of people were using on their game systems at the time. As mentioned in the video I regularly use upscalers from composite and they do seem to do a better job than these cables as well, especially on N64.
Composite ... the lowest signal and more .... (limit acceptable to our eyes or buying a RGB cable (often) ...) suddenly, the composite cable puts a serious slap in terms of display, especially in terms of colors (brighter in composite) ... has this HDMI cable .... I can not even imagine an official RGB cable or see the famous YUV cable .... Yes it can't work these consoles are not made to be able to receive a better signal other than that of RGB ... The top on these retro machines is for me, the YUV by far. In short, this HDMI cable is useless for any visual enhancement. It is a disappointment and clearly a bad idea to have thought about it. Le composite... le signal le plus bas en plus.... (limite acceptable pour nos yeux d'ou le faite d'acheter un câble RGB (souvent)...) pour le coup, le câble composite lui met une sérieuse claque en terme d'affichage, surtout au niveau des couleurs (plus vives en composite)... a ce câble HDMI.... je n'imagine même pas un câble RGB officiel ou voir le fameux câble YUV.... Eh oui ça ne peut pas marcher ces consoles là ne sont pas faites pour pouvoir recevoir un meilleurs signal autre que celui du RGB... Le top sur ces machines rétro c'est pour moi, l'YUV de loin. En bref, ce câble HDMI ne sert à rien aucunes améliorations visuel. C'est une déception et clairement une mauvaise idée d'y avoir pensé. Cordialement.
Thanks I cancelled my purchase of Hyperkin, my TV has composite so in fact is better to keep using composite
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Call me crazy, but I really like the Composite NTSC signal a lot more. The colors are more saturated and the details are clearly designed to pop in that signal. (e.g. the skid marks on the track) Best solution is still to grab the CRT off the neighbor's curb when they toss it out like so much refuse.
(I had an extended conversation with a few people on this very practice at the Vintage Computing Festival last week.)
Not impressed with the HDMI, yet this is why I have an old large CRT TV for my retrogaming.
I think that is a pretty solid statement. My only exception would be the N64. Which does look a bit nicer. It's really not enough to make me switch over the 64 but it will definitely be used at conventions like MGC. Doom64 could use the brightening...
That’s why that composite cable ranges from $100-300 on eBay
Quick note: I kept the TV's brightness the same for each recording run. The HDMI out was considerably brighter and caused occasional focus issues.
Yeah the hdmi one seems brighter
The focus I assumed was from putting a camera in front of the TV. My phone does that on my other channel when I did NES Lets Plays but I have never owned good capture software so thats my best option for capture.
Great comparison video! I'd have to agree with a few of the comments. I rock s-video on a CRT and it just blows these HDMI cables out of the water. However, the convenience for connecting to a flat panel when you don't have space for a CRT is legit. They'll keep refining the tech and it'll get to where it needs to be eventually. 👍
Yep, if you got: Use it!
That's exactly why I'm looking at this review.. I have a great CRT and an s-video cable for SNES/N64/GC, but my CRT is in storage for the moment and my flat panel doesn't have s-video.. so I think I'll pick this up!
@@Retr0Rob So will this cable will work on the DOL-101 GameCube models? Since those models don't have the component ports?
I didn't check the reviews on this thing when I bought it and I wish I did. Mine not only has the awful colors, but also weird artifacts on some colors like red and horrendous sound with a weird high pitched buzz. Super weird since the hdmi adapter hyperkin made for the Xbox has none of those issues and drastically improves the image with no real downside
The best thing about this Hyperkin was the BOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, front, right, left, top, but not the bottom, as that was boring.
Thanks Rob, for showing another un-boooooooooooooxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxing and slight magic, with the opening of the Boxxxxxxxxxxx.
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I just tried using one of these for a Snes Jr and realized after fighting with it and doing some research that it won't work until the Snes Jr is modded. Live and learn I guess.
I did not know that! Thanks for the info: I hope it helps others.
The picture is definitely more washed out in the Hyperkin cable.
It's a lot brighter. The "washout" is a bit overblown though my recording equipment, but I did not think it would be fair to turn the TV brightness down in the "HD" recording. They should match.
@@Retr0Rob Thanks for clearing that up, as the washout wasn't necessarily bad, I just love saturation. If it's not too bad then likely I could fiddle with the TV to handle the rest. Clarity and how clean the image quality couldn't be ignored though. The HDMI did great on that.
I've seen a few reviews and the general consensus is that the colors are washed out on this device. In general Hyperkin's color palettes seem to be a bit off when it comes to their HDMI cables and their consoles. Their shade of red, in particular is the really big issue.
The one thing to note is that this isn't actually an upscaler. Rather it's just taking the signal and passing it through HDMI without doing anything like line doubling than an upscaler would do, so it's not going to make a huge improvement. For what it is, it's a cheap way to play these consoles on a tv that might not have AV in.
Good explanation!
@@Retr0Rob That being said, Hyperkin's not a bad company. Their controllers are pretty top-notch. I love the Cadet (their version of the NES controller).
Looks like you recorded the footage from a camera. I guess that works. I wonder what would the quality would be if you used a capture card?
On the composite out my recording equipment upscales the video causing it to look better than it really would on screen. I wanted the comparisons to be accurate. Sadly I'm not particularly happy with the way the video turned out, but it gets the point across.
I got one of these and it seems OK. I've only played Chibi-Robo for Gamecube with it so far, but I think it's better than it would be with AV on my 4K flat screen... I came here for side-by-sides to tell the difference, but it's hard to tell in the recordings. The game still looks good, but textures like the Skip logo are still blurry. I'm not sure if that just means the image file used is inherently compressed though.
I did notice on the 64 when you were playing mario kart, that the hills in the background looked smoother around the edges with this cable, standard cable they were very jagged. I might try this out , to me i can see an improvement. My 64 looks garbage on my flat screen so ill take any little improvement i can get.
Have you tried this cable?? What is your opinion?
It definitely looks washed out in the video.
I have the genesis Hyperkin HDMI cable and it is fantastic looking on an LCD. Is there a different in upscaling the Genesis vs the N64 with these cables?
To be honest, your better off just getting an av to hdmi converter. It's probably cheaper, and you don't have to have washed out screens like the hyperkin cable. The one I use is the Old Skool converter. it has mixed reviews, but for my N64 it works great.
I just wish hyperkin would actually make, well, you know, an improvement in the looks of the games. Looking at both, besides the obvious brighter color, they seemed very similar, almost too similar.
FYI I use both regularly (I may have mentioned that in the video) The HDMI to AVI adapters are about $10 less, but they are way flimsier and don't offer the option for 4:3 -- I also use some HDMI boxes but again they are bulky and will not help if your original AV cables are damaged -- most do not offer 4:3 out either. The general rule is you cannot get better output than what you console actually can put out. Some DO put out RGB though and I have a couple of those cables but not for the N64. Once of these days I will do an N64 game with this cable directly to my capture card and show how that looks.
@@Retr0Rob Interesting. Thanks for informing me. My adapter(Old Skool one) has an option for 4:3. I suppose it's a rarity among adapters for av to hdmi
If your TV accepts composite then there is no point using a composite to HDMI upscaler or a composite to HDMI cable. They literally contain the same chip used to handle analog inputs in most TVs except they connected it to an HDMI transmitter instead of an LCD panel. It only makes sense of your TV is HDMI-only. Now, there's a chance that the Hyperkin cable here is using S-Video instead of composite but it definitely is not using RGB like the SNES cables use since the stock N64 does not have RGB. If it works with a stock SNS-101 "mini" SNES then it is using composite because the stock SNS-101 does not support S-Video.
I bring about 10-15 consoles out to MGC each year, along with a half dozen smaller shows. 10-15 monitors come along for that ride. Getting simpler hookups is a HUGE deal for me. I tested using the Dreamcast HDMI's last year and it definitely saved time and looked really good. I used to use a Component out and an upscaler, as the larger TV's we were using had no Component in's. It looked great, but cheap upscalers cost a bit of time: both in connection and I ended up re-soldering the cheap connectors a couple times. For the record I assume that everyone knows that you cannot get better visuals than the outputs that the console provides (Outside of physical modification). Anywho. If you do large shows with small crews, these things are freaking great. I use an Extron Multiplexer for my composite at home though. I have a video on that.
@@Retr0Rob Yes, which is why it's really unfortunate that only the earliest analog to HDMI cables were powered off the console. Since they added the aspect ratio switch they stopped powering them from the console and removed the only real convenience advantage they had. :(
Of course, DCHDMI, UltraHDMI, WiiDual, etc is hella-convenient but those are the kinda things you treat yourself to. ;)
That said, it is possible to get better visuals from CVBS Composite through a device when compared to most digital TVs since most incorrectly apply deinterlacing to non-interlaced 240p games and some purpose-built devices don't. Some TVs do support 240p but even those often require S-Video, RGBS, or YPbPr Component. For the TVs that don't properly handle 240p a RetroTink 2X will look better and could even potentially lower the latency, since the TV won't try to de-interlace 480p. It ain't cheap tho' (~$100), which is why I don't really consider it a comparable alternative to these [analog]2HDMI and retro console HDMI cables.
@@emmettturner9452 I pretty much agree. that said most users are more concerned about whether the picture is good enough for everyday use -- does it look good? If it does than you have your solution. There is nothing wrong (or right) about that. Because how things look is really just about personal opinion. Realistically the absolutely authentic way to play is with a CRT. Real scanlines, proper ratio. Your light guns work. Not everyone has the room, money, or will to do this. Some folks either like or don't care if the aspect ratio is 4:3 or not. Stretched screens drive me nuts (even though I don't generally represent things that way in my videos). If someone likes it though, I'm fine with it. It's their opinion. Basically All these products do is help fill the gap between authenticity and what folks can deal with reasonably. I think that is just fine. The goal of gaming isn;t authenticity: It's having fun.
@@Retr0Rob Yeah. I'm just trying to inform people so they don't think there is any advantage to using one of these if your TV already has analog inputs. If it used RGB and the TV itself did not then the HDMI cable absolutely would look better but it would still lag and 60hz effects like simulated transparency would still be broken from unecessarily deinterlacing non-interlaced 240p. :(
@@emmettturner9452 I think it comes through pretty clearly in the video.
Why didn’t they bring these out when i went from my old tv to flatscreens😢
They're crap. It's literally the exact same chip built into flat panels that still have analog audio inputs including all of the problems like deinterlacing non-interlaced 240p from SNES/N64. AVOID.
Emmett Turner well, ok, but at least i would have a way to connect the old consoles. The pound cable for ps1 is quite good
@@zockeromi1970 Yes. Main point is, this is always worse than connecting straight to your TV and, since all of the cheap external scaler boxes use the exact same chip, there's no point to a console-specific cable that cost $10 more and is even more limited than the $20 generic scaler box. Some of those have aspect ratio control now too. Just trying to get the word out before more people make Rob's mistake all over again. :(
I own the Hyperkins hdmi cable for my WII
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Is there a cord that doesn't cost more than 50 dollars that makes the games look better. I'm over looking into this topic.
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The only retro machines that can correctly receive the HDMI signal these days are neither more nor less the Super NT and The Super Megadrive ^^ completely redone and relooked, these consoles were both Remakées = improved, studied, and specially reconfigured to be able to display this signal without hindrance;) hence their prices ... in reality having the HDMI is not given. Thank you 8bitdo and Analogue. Come on guys, you will only have to redo the N64 and it will be just perfect. :)
Les seules machines rétro à pouvoir recevoir correctement le signal HDMI de nos jours ce ne sont ni plus ni moins la Super NT et La Super Megadrive ^^ refaites et relookés entièrement, ces consoles là ont étés toutes les deux Remakées = améliorées, étudiés, et reconfigurées spécialement pour pouvoir afficher sans encombre ce signal ;) d’où leurs prix... en réalité avoir l'Hdmi n'est pas donné. Merci 8bitdo et Analogue. Allez les gars il ne vous plus que la N64 a refaire et ça sera juste parfait. :)
Ugh. This is exactly the same as your external upscaler except for the aspect ratio switch. It make a lot more sense to just get an external upscaler with the aspect switch. It's the exact same thing except built into a cable. Same faults too... for example, it deinterlaces non-interlaced 240p, which makes it inappropriate for most retro systems (GC should be fine).
I just got this, and just got an N64. I saw zero difference between composite and HDMI. Do I need a 1080p or 4K TV for this to look better?
Not really -- In the video I found very little quality difference.
Get a Retrotink 2x or OSSC. It’s worth the added cost.
I think you’ve got the pics the wrong way around it can’t give you less quality through a hdmi. Madness
LOL. It's brighter and a bit cleaner through HDMI but not a lot. There is a couple of unfair things: 1) I use an Extron Switcher for my composite out which may have boosted the visuals a little better than what you might get just plugging it in. 2) It looks way brighter in the recording than it really is. Unfortunately if I filtered it to compensate then I am changing the test.... which is a problem as I would be faking it. I really hate doing screen recordings for this reason. The HDMI is a cleaner signal as there is much less noise, but it's not what most would expect. Really these use an S-Video signal as input which should be quite a bit better than composite...
Is this better than the generic cheap N64 to HDMI converters that don't use v5 usb?
It only seems to brighten it to me..... and often too much.
Come on, Rob. Why did you buy this?! I could've told you first... seriously! If you need a guy to consult, LMK. :)
Limited Run Games is currently selling these Hyperkin HDMI cables for everything from the 16bit consoles up to the Dreamcast and PS2. I don't know how the cables for all those other consoles fair, but this one is clearly garbage. Composite on a modern flat-screen should NEVER look better then HDMI, and that's exactly what I'm seeing here.
This is sadly no surprise though. 3rd party brands such as Hyperkin and Retro-bit have always been extremely iffy. On rare occasions they will make a good product, but somewhere between 90-95% of their stuff is utter trash. You can almost always expect something of poor quality, and usually faulty as well. Most of their controllers have faulty D-pads for example. That's not usually something you'll notice while playing a side-scroller, but play any game with an overhead view (or anything with 4 or 8 directional movement) and you'll soon see the problem when pressing "down" causes you to move right.
It's hard to make an educated decision when we're going off of a recording from the dude's phone. None of these were captured directly from the source so you have to take them with a pretty big grain of salt.
Looks like the svideo is a better way for me to go. The color looks so bad on the hdmi.
It's not really a "3 in 1" device so much as it's that the Super Nintendo, SNES, and N64 all used the same connector for their video signal. SO basically if it works for one, it works for all.
Can you please check for me and see if this adapter works with the GBA attachment for GameCube to HDMI?? 😊 Thanks
Damn I just bought this cable. I should have looked at this vid before the purchase. Guess who is returning it the minute it arrives.
If you got it on Amazon give it a try first (If they allow open box returns). It's not as washed out as it looks on video. I find it works OK in some situations -- It's not really bad, but not amazing either.
it loses most of the color the game was designed with
Have you done a HD retrovision component cables for the snes comparison?
Well, N64 outputs only 240p, so not the best you can get from this machine. This is why Im the fan of N64 emulation, as the games look stunning in higher resolution.
Same when Citra popped out. Its a much better experience than a low res 3DS. Not even mentioning PPSSPP, that is already a few years old.
But ! If you'd ever get bored of upscaling the Nintendo consoles, you can always change the plug and upscale other systems !
By the way, does this thing cooperates with HVC101 Family Computer ? This would be at least cool, having 8bits displayed at high resolution, altough famiclones with HDMI are already a thing since some time eh...
If this post has some weird grammar going on, be aware Im taking a break from a looong busy work week with a glass of fine stout. Cheers Rob !
@@KISSbestfan Good for you! I sure wish I could have one, but I cant for another week. For a Wisconsin citizen this is like not breathing.
Agree. I do generally assume that folks know that you cannot actually get better quality than the output of the device.
so is the hyperkin worth getting or not so much?
It's OK if you don't expect too much out of it. I have been using one of these in my basement studio since this video was made and it has had no problems.
Was this on an hd tv, or crt??
I can agree I recently bought a N64 for nostalgia and I only own a flatscreen and it's almost unplayable with how horrible the quality is and the lag im really thinking about modding it
I hear that modding the N64 works out pretty well... Considered doing it as well..
I need one!
Where can you buy composite cables for N64?
Comparissons with other products?
When i set it up (correctly) I get no signal.. can someone help?
Same with me but no tutorials. 90% sure we set it up right but just doesn’t seem to work on our tv. It says no signal that slowly goes across the screen
I get the exact same thing. It's an easy setup. Not working for me though.
nice video
CRT/RGB or Svideo or go home. Plain and simple.
Keep holdin' that gate brotha! I'll slide right through.
Yes yes yes ;) ;) ;)
PAL/NTSC problem?
I went with this cable since I have pc monitors and no tv lol need a cheap option
Thanks for tip handsome
You're super famicon looked a little bit yellow you might want to leave it in the sun on a hot day to get rid of the yellowing but it must be left under sunlight
I have a buddy who does this with all of his game stuff. I will def. give it a try.
@@Retr0Rob if you buy an ultraviolet light you can always put the games and the console inside of there like an oven and do a video for us
@@MightyistheRCGamer Yeah, but outside could be an awesome time-lapse video!
fails to notice shimmering is gone and pixel density lol
new glasses ?
Are you talking about the aliasing? Some of the effects you see are due to the camera's attempts at focus, and to auto balance the color. I have never been very happy with recording from screens due to that and have some complaints in how videos turn out. Some 'tubers change the settings to get a better picture, but I'm always worried that changing the settings on the screen or recording equipment is in a way "cheating" as it changes the conditions of the test and I really want people to make up their own minds about this rather than convince them of my opinion. I think it can be argued either way though. There is no "Real" pixel density difference between this and composite -- It DOES upscale, but the actual output of the gamecube does not improve when upscaled: Data cannot come from no-where. If an original graphic is 64x64 and use an upscaler to upscale to 256x256 you do not get the fidelity of a 256x256 native graphic: You just get 64x64 image with more dots in it. Yes, there is AA and such, but that is a filter. not an actual improvement in the original image.
Hyperkin really missed the mark on these cables. Clearly they’re taking the composite or at best s-video signal from the console and covering it to hdmi. Everyone knows that an RGB signal will give you the best picture possible yet these cables aren’t using it.
While that is true there are some models that do not output RGB, like the us version of the N64 and GameCube.
Killatia my USA GameCube has a rgb(digital av) port. It is ONLY on the 1st gen GC though
@@dragonwind5117 Thats not really rgb though. Real rgb is an analog signal not digital.
How does an HDMI cable cause cancer and reproductive harm?
They are very tasty
@@Retr0Rob Seriously though, why is that notice there?
@@Trusteft California requires a warning for plastics with a chance of releasing cancer causing chemicals. I'm not super familiar so it may or may not be very valid. I've read that there is no penalty for placing the warning "falsely" so some companies that use plastics just put it on there. I have not been able to confirm that though.
@@Retr0Rob Thank you for the info.
I have ps2toHDMI adapter, the little black one and it doesn't somehow need any power even tho everyone says it needs the power cable to work xd
It looks more washed out less colors
Agree. It's not as bad "in person" but it definitely is more washed out.
wtf hyperkin hdmi cables gives you cancer?
Will this permanently kill my N64?
I hope u know the cable is s-video to hdmi that is why it looks so bad
Svideo is a superior signal to composite, which is what is generally used on the consoles (and I use for the control part of the video) so it should look better. Composite combines the color and luminance signals where Svideo splits the 2 improving quality quite a bit. This is not to be confused with Component which is even clearer. All 3 supported systems mostly were played using composite cables during their production spans and only the GameCube had component out "natively" through a rather expensive cable. You cannot get a "better" signal than the device can actually output (although some improvement can be had through hardware hacking). That said some old composites get a bit of interference so these cables can come in handy in those cases.
@@Retr0Rob Thanks for the lesson but is
not true the SNES can do RGB except The SNES jr and The Gamecube can do 480p with component cables or the HDMI adapter the only console that its highest resolution is thought s-video is the N64 so is doing a disservice to a SNES and Gamecube owners as RGB and 480p look better on a HD Tv and s-video does not.
@@unspacy110 Opps, forgot about RGB out, but I did mention the Component out on the Gamecube. That said s-video IS a much better output than composite which is what the vast majority of people were using on their game systems at the time. As mentioned in the video I regularly use upscalers from composite and they do seem to do a better job than these cables as well, especially on N64.
Two hours later nothing happens here.
hdmi looked very washed out
Composite looks better.
I don't care lol as long as I can play my n64 and GameCube
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Composite ... the lowest signal and more .... (limit acceptable to our eyes or buying a RGB cable (often) ...) suddenly, the composite cable puts a serious slap in terms of display, especially in terms of colors (brighter in composite) ... has this HDMI cable .... I can not even imagine an official RGB cable or see the famous YUV cable ....
Yes it can't work these consoles are not made to be able to receive a better signal other than that of RGB ...
The top on these retro machines is for me, the YUV by far.
In short, this HDMI cable is useless for any visual enhancement.
It is a disappointment and clearly a bad idea to have thought about it.
Le composite... le signal le plus bas en plus.... (limite acceptable pour nos yeux d'ou le faite d'acheter un câble RGB (souvent)...) pour le coup, le câble composite lui met une sérieuse claque en terme d'affichage, surtout au niveau des couleurs (plus vives en composite)... a ce câble HDMI.... je n'imagine même pas un câble RGB officiel ou voir le fameux câble YUV....
Eh oui ça ne peut pas marcher ces consoles là ne sont pas faites pour pouvoir recevoir un meilleurs signal autre que celui du RGB...
Le top sur ces machines rétro c'est pour moi, l'YUV de loin.
En bref, ce câble HDMI ne sert à rien aucunes améliorations visuel.
C'est une déception et clairement une mauvaise idée d'y avoir pensé.
Cordialement.
looks washed out to me
Are you benzaie?? You sound a lot like him.
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