I'm so SICK of this... this drama blows my mind.
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- 343 allegedly to sources, has made some mistakes regarding Halo 4, Halo 5 and Halo Infinite development cycle, and hiring - and resentment towards Bungie. Why?
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Guilty Spark ass company
As soon as I found out it was named 343 I always wondered why the heck they went with that and assumed it was bad news and I havent really been wrong yet
Names their company after a villian that tryed to kill the MC. Makes everything possible to kill the Franchise.
@nocomment6421 exactly what I was thinking.
@@frankgarrison3276 yeah that was also my thought back then. Out of all Characters they took this name. Especially after guilty spark killed johnson. A fan favorite character.
Its almost like it is meant to be that way
@@nocomment6421Exactly...
My personal headcannon is that Reach will always be the last official Halo game. Halo 3 was the real ending to the halo franchise.
Exactly, the trilogy is functionally over. We just have books and fan media to enjoy now for extras.
Agreed, Halo 3 is the true ending and everything after is just extended universe lore that isn’t canon.
Completely agree with this!
Nah, halo 4 is amazing.
I personally enjoyed the story of Halo 4 but I can agree with this. Multiplayer of Halo 4 is another story, that shit is god awful.
Halo is a complete shit show literally breaks my heart. I still remember asking Santa to bring my father an Xbox for Christmas. It was the only year I didn't ask Santa to bring me anything. Ill never forget the smile on my fathers face playing through halo for the first time. Breaks my heart knowing there is so much divide with this series.
That is honestly heartwarming XD. Not the divide. The wish for your Dad to have an Xbox
it's really not. people will praise 343 and halo when they do a few good things. then a slight bit of drama gets brought up and so out comes the pitch-forks. it doesn't make sense, and the halo community has been literally digging it's own down-fall the majority of the damn time, lmao. it's kind of crazy. I'm not saying 343 is completely innocent. yes, they have fumbled the ball plenty of times but they have also cooked a lot of the time as well. It's just whenever 343 has done something bad, the halo community simple forgets fucking all the good things they've done, and just bring out the pitch-forks.
If you look at all the things 343 has done, good or bad, little or small. it's really just 50/50. lmao..
Who remembers when Bungie tried to fuck over the Devs of Halo Wars just so they could make more money..?? No one brings that up. Nobody. It's fucking crazy, dude.
Same bro. I'm 25 and I'll always be a Halo fan to the death. 2004-2011 Halo is the best gaming experience I've ever had. Hell people got an Xbox just to play Halo. But now, all this diversity lgbt blm soft crap is taking over almost everything. I'll always remember the good old days though. The Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 3 ODST, Halo Reach days
343 will be forever unworthy of the mantle of responsibility
Please do not ever reference 343 lore again
@@EggEnjoyerTo be honest, the forerunner terminals and pre human lore was very interesting. Shame they didn't flush it out more. It gave the flood and forerunners so much more depth
Which is ironic due to that being a 343 creation😂
@@EggEnjoyer the mantle was first mentioned in halo 3 terminals pre-343 actually
@@darkwhite1259 The terminals were written by Frank O Connor. He shoved his fake lore into the games without the bungie writers knowing.
343i can genuinely do no right.
Bc of Microsoft*
THEY ARE MICROSOFT at least their leadership@ReqchV1
They just need to shake hands and get along And make a better Halo Game for everyone Bungie and 343 my God.
@@ZaWardo151 Because it's so bad
Halo needs to be taken over by a different company so it can be great again.
343 is the peak of wanting to be popular and well known for a beloved franchise but not wanting to continue the franchise the same direction and spirit and design that made the franchise so beloved in the first place. Basically they wanted "big name" reputation without actually having to produce a good game worthy of being a big name developer.
Real. They even messed up the lore, such as Humans no longer being Forerunners, that is one of the worst retcons they ever did
343 will never change. Time to accept that
*incorrct buzzer*
Dont wanna break that 117 likes
Edit: Dang it!
@@youknowwhoiam366if 343 does change, I doubt that Microsoft will not mess them up when releasing a game
took you over a decade to figure that out
343 has, like disney, seem to have done everything they could to destroy the original creators legacy. Be it jealousy, inferiority complex, or something else, whatever the reason, 343 needs to pull it's head out of it's ass and get back to making halo great again.
343 has done pretty bad but to compare it the monstrosity that is Disney is a huge leap
It aint confirmed yet
@@epickingedward7378 343 retconned the original trilogy by making forerunner's aliens and not ancient humans, i beg to differ.
@@IDeclareWar11D2 It can’t be retconned if it wasn’t cannon to begin with being only cut content, and that still isn’t comparable to Disney’s complete scrambling of everything, Disney retconned basically everything to fit an ideological agenda, 343 still has some consistency in its games and lore
There is only one way. Halo must be taken from 343.
Its almost ironic how the studio which done so much damage to halo, is named after the original vilain.
I can sum up 343s entire legacy in just two words: WASTED POTENTIAL
Every single thing they've added to halo's world just screams to the heavens WASTED POTENTIAL
Wouldn't even say potential in all honesty just subpar trash there's studios out there that could have done absolutely amazing work with the franchise but out of spite Microsoft gave it to 343 and out of spite again 343 ran it into the ground just to say look what we done
@@Halogamething343 didn't make halo wars 2
@@Halogamething Halo wars 2 was made by creative assembly lol...
I'm sure you now realise why you don't think it was trash.
343 needs to go
halo 5 onwards was wasted potential halo 4's only requirement to being 5 star chefs kiss was the toning down of the promethean ohk shenanigans. I think the stale beef 343 have with bungie is that bungie could do other games as they pleased away from microsoft while 343 are required to exist in corporate shackles like the call of duty studios back in the day
@@xyreniaofcthrayn1195Halo 4 was trash in level design, trash with its weapon sandbox allowing each weapon to fulfill roles like the bungie titles, and absolutely butchered the main story explanation of the covenant remnants and handling of the didact. The only good story aspect was chief and cortana. It isn’t at all fun to replay and requires a book to understand the context of the current universe. Yeah not to the extent of Halo 5, but that’s still horrible regardless. It was average in the end
Bungie held halo 2 together with duct tape and that game KILLED when it released. 343 can only dream of accomplishing such a feat
To be fair Halo 2 is probably the craziest game out there. Just that thus piece of software is bootable is a feat. Let alone the time when it came out. OG Xbox, no real patches whatsoever. But you still can launch this thing on a og xbox or x360 and play it from start to finish without a single game breaker in original patch.
The people at bungie at that time knew what they where doing. They had a vision and they delivered.
Halo 2 is my Favorite title in the series and imo the most important one. This was the thing that started the halo era.
@@threedog27 its even more crazy when you consider they pretty much scrapped the entire engine halo 2 originally was built on for e3, and remade most the game in 11 months, truly insane
@@sparkthedragonI still wonder how they pulled it off. All that work going to waste would’ve demoralized a lot of people. I hope they got raises, bonuses, and big-ass paychecks for those last 11 months ‘cause it was a rough time; Marty said relationships went, and divorces happened during Halo 2’s last 11 months of development.
Massive props and huge respect for these people for making Halo 2, they sacrificed a lot of personal things for this. :(
@@S113Productions yeah, crunch is both a blessing and a curse, mostly a curse
343’s inability to safeguard Halo was a colossal failure
Nay, it was heresy!
@@daveyjones7391 heresy will stay they’re feet and when the great journey begins 343 industries shall be left behind
_Ask the Oracle about 343 Industries. How they would sacrifice Halo all for nothing_
@@blondfoss The prophets betrayed us
“Tartarus, Microsoft’s profits have betrayed us…”
Bonnie Kiki and Frank did so much damage just by existing.
Humans are forerunnner, I meant they are a different star wars race lmao
bro wtf is this high school petty crap at 343
Gen Zs & blue hair Millennials.
@@tristanbackup2536 ... False equivalence, stop thinking some shit you saw on a meme started in like 2009 represents reality.
@@tristanbackup2536 as a gen z myself i should be offended but nah your right tbh my generation sucks
@@sparkthedragon as a gen z guy myself..nah I'm blaming the millennial.
@@donaldmccullough38
Mate, you been living under a rock? Just to have to look at other games being infected with woke crap.
I fundamentally believe that 343 hates Bungie. Now whether it's full them or Microsoft holding contempt towards Bungie for wanting to break away, that's a convo yet to be had. One has to remember, 343 is but a subsidiary of Microsoft to churn out Halo. That aside, it is very obvious they hate Bungie, given that they whitewash all of their personalized easter eggs, thank you letters, and more. MCC will forever remain the botched, sterilized version of those games without any personalization done with them. On top of the fact, when assembling the studio, they deliberately "hired people who hated Halo" as a goal. So yeah, no, they're scum.
Seeing this honestly disgusts me further and somehow manages to make me possibly hate 343 more. I already disliked them but I just have nothing but full contempt, knowing how many people were deliberately turned away and even FIRED just because some self absorbed spite.
They want to destroy the original halo. Its because we STILL feed from the original bungie halo era.
Despite 343 is longer in charge over halo than bungie.
343 is always standing in the shadow of bungie.
In remaking the old titles, they can claim the rewards for themselfs. Old halo fans know and played the og halos. But there are already a lot of people that only played the inferior CE Remake or even started with Halo 4, Halo 5 or even just started with Infinite.
People who will be new to halo, probably dont even know about the Bungie Era. Its a plan for years. They want to rewrite halos history because they cant replicate the success. They just lack the creative vision Bungie had and has.
What’s so distasteful about all of this is that they have to try much harder to keep going in their current direction, as opposed to doing what would work for halo.
They are choosing the harder route for the overall direction of this game because of how selfish and child-like they are.
Here's a weird thought. Gears is about as popular as Halo (probably second), The Coalition was created just to churn out Gears, and they kept the foundation Epic built for them.
343i was specifically created for Halo, but destroy the foundation that Bungie built for them. That's wild
@@threedog27 i think the decision to wipe anything bungie was like he said was Microsoft. Phil took over in 2014 as CEO of Xbox and I'm pretty sure that man would not have let halo turn out the way it did or he would have worked a deal with Bungie to keep them around while also working on Destiny
It’s 100% 343 because Joe Staten literally had a high ranking position at Microsoft. They would not have pushed him out of 343.
And knowing what we know about 343 management, they likely felt threatened by his presence. Because he’s such a well known and liked figure, he’d have a lot of sway over halo. And insecure management just wouldn’t stand for nothing like that
It's crazy. Hiring people who hate Halo to make Halo or rather Bungie. Watch them consistently make trash and now probably a reboot? Get ready for the Silver series folks. It's coming :]
No its not
No reliable source has mentioned the silver timeline in the remake
Its defnitly happening.
It's all about cultural destruction in general. I don't understand how people aren't seeing this.
@@tristanbackup2536 it just has to be at this point. These companies keep sucking up people who think they can do better and know better.
They don't come to know these games like it's fans and want to genuinely improve upon the foundation that was created. Just destroy and remake it in their own way including some goofy ideology somehow too.
It really blows my mind I've basically witnessed everything I grew up with be destroyed one after another.
John never was awakened by Cortana from the cryo chamber, they are both still floating in space
This.
The Covenant and Marines were allied at the same time. The flood, humanity’s greatest threat destroyed.
I think we all got caught up wanting more from the Halo Series and we have now faced all the Consequences.
I wish they explored more aspects of Halo Lore and or new stories while having a tribute towards the Predecessor’s.
Headcannon: Accepted.
343 are and will continue to be completely incompetent. They’re a AA studio trying to make AAA games. Their best games aren’t even as good as Bungies worse Halo game. They have this massive ego and inferiority complex that make them, imo, a liability. I have less than zero faith in them. They’ve always disappointed and will continue to do so. And in contrast when you look at Gears E-Day, you see there a studio that loves and respects the franchise to the point of relicensing mad world because of their understanding of that song and its impact on the original Gears.
343 should be shut down. They’re an incompetent, disrespectful dev that understands nothing of what made Halo great.
You shut down Tango? Shut down 343 instead. They will never ever ever deliver. Mark my words. Garbage studio.
I say we release some sort of petition to 343 saying we're never buying their products ever again
@@sebastianrios2076 Wouldn't last anyway. Look at how many times 343 screwed up, and people STILL kept consuming their products. All 343 has to do is wait until this drama blows over and people forget within the next 3-4 months. Even faster if 343 offers freebies to gamers.
@@tech-bore8839 3-4 months? all the usual 343 asslickers will be uploading faux-positive videos within 2 weeks.
Most of 343 ex Bungie devs and studio management was fired in 2021 and 2022. They have rid the studio of past failure. They are using a superior engine to make next Halo.
The thing is Joseph Staten is probably the only reason any of us found Infinite tolerable.
I liked the campaign but that was it.
"Tolerable" is spot on. 'Cause the game was FAR from great. Played it once, uninstalled. Enjoyed the gameplay, awfully undeveloped and uninteresting story.
Being a fan of halo now is like being completely paralyzed and your nurse (who weighs 343 pounds) is aggressively feeding you food that you do not want, despite your best efforts to huff and grunt to communicate you dont like it. She knows very well what food you do like, but chooses to give you other (cheaper) food that isnt even fully cooked. Your only choice is to just stop eating altogether and starve.
Call me dramatic. But I grew up on halo. Im allowed to be dramatic.
😂😂😂
This is just brilliant 👏 👌
Let the Doom-team at Bethesda have a go at a game about the flood. That would be something to be excited about at least.
yeah is good
I hate how normal in the games industry it is for games to be remade without any of the original creators.
thats fine imo as long as the new studio thats remaking it understands why its good in the firstplace something 343 severely lacks and has been shown across all their games
@@funtagekill1e name one remake that has done that. Basically all of them today are more focused on the memetic material that stuck through the ages than the core foundation of the original that allowed it to be so revered as a whole and for the very memetic aspects the remake bases it on. Basically made by people who don't truly get why its so loved in so many ways to warrant a remake.
@@tbc1880 RE2, RE4 and Deadspace
@@tbc1880 well you got your answer allready
@@funtagekill1e i'll only agree with RE 2. 4 diverts too much in some areas including how they handled the knife. But RE4 in itself was a turning point in the series' gameplay. Idk about deadspace entirely. And while not deep into RE2 like other games, even there some call the fixed camera system to be archaic or out of style but it has implications on gameplay and tone that gets lost with the 3rd person over the shoulder camera. Sure it had issues but not like those couldn't be fixed instead of ditching the perspective. Or not, sometimes controls not being super smooth is better for what the game is going for. Heck if i remeber correctly OG RE3 used that to suggest the difference in experience and skill between Ada and the rest of the cast.
These small things that kinda change the nature of the game is what i'm concerned about most. Like CE gets remade they will most likely nerf explosion physics possibly killing grenade jumps, remove the chain explosions from grenades, remove the invincibility when overshields are charging, remove most of the nuiances between weapon types like the stun effect of the plasma rifle and the faster camo activation speed the AR gives, probably standardize melee times too, change the flood to take good melee and sniper damage, stop hunters from being 1 shot by the magnum and sniper & likely touch up how vehicles work such as making the driver far more protected than in the OG CE tank (if not just making it play like the modern scorpion tanks).
Why would they change all these things? Because do you honestly thing the CE remake made for people who heard of halo but never played it, wouldn't gut all these things for a more "modern" experience at the cost of a lot of the fun and depth in CE. And god forbid they add sprint and slide mechanics, things that seem to get more praise the less they have it in their game.
Sure if its a fun game thats great but the issue with remakes is people often take the stance of just play the remake and not the OG when remakes are more side grades to them. The Etrian Odyseey series is probably the one series where I hear frequently that the two remake games they got, Untold 1 and 2, are better quality of life wise and are great games but change the experience enough that the original 1 and 2 are still worth playing on their own right. Basically if you are new play Untold 2 and if you love the series with that go try and play the OGs as well. But this sentiment is lacking outside of instances where the remake is such a departure or teardown of the OG such as with the RE3 remake or what the heck is going on with the FF7 sequel-remake and MW games. And part of this whole thing is remake vs remaster and how remakes try and stand in the middle too often.
I swear the only thing positive that came from their reign was Halo Wars 2, and even that was mostly Creative Assembly who showed more respect to the universe than 343 ever did. I personally think that 343 ignored it out of spite because they didn't have total control over it.
It sounds like to me 343i wants to make their own legacy or mark on Halo. Yet as we saw with Halo 4, Halo 5 Guardians, Halo Infinite and the Halo TV show on paramount. That being their “legacy” is to trash what came before they have show little respect for the story, and characters and try to make their version of Halo look like a B or C tier cheesy Sci-fi movie. If they want to leave their mark on Halo they could have learned what came before and build off from it. Like adding another chapter to the story. But instead they only given us fractured pieces of a story that seems like they can’t agree on which version they want to use. Do I think they have an issue with Bungie probably seems like it. But if they have an issue with it why not they just admitted and just give the Halo franchise to someone else. Because at this point 343i is unfit to make another Halo game or anything related to Halo.
I mean Halo 4 was good, I'd say it's about 60% to 75% as good as Bungie's quality
Halo 4 Is not bad at all probably one of the best Halo's, even with that Halo 5 has his pro's when we talk about Multiplayer and Infinite has a very good multiplayer and campaing, It doesn't make any sense that People are mad that 343 tries to do different things with Halo, i mean People gets mad when they changed The soundtrack in Hao 4 since The Halo 4 soundtrack was just so pure and unique and people got mad that they wanted to do More things than put The same damn soundtrack from like over 25 years
@@KamukuraV3 true it was okay but honestly it was a sign where 343i’s vision was going. Which unfortunately them wanting to “not be like Bungie”. Is to dismantle or basically spit and mock all of the past twenty years of work Bungie did to create the IP they inherited and own.
@@TheJasonDonald I will definitely admit, I'm not a 343 shill, Halo 4 was no where near as good as I could have been, they did well in their extended lore and worldbuilding in my opinion, but they did very poorly with stuff like the Didact, all of halo 5 and their constant attempts to backtrack every time people disagree with them. They're good at lore building, not game making
@@Beanieslowyou were definitely born 5 years ago if you think H4 was the best halo, H4 had a decent campaign with a copy and paste cod like multiplayer that died out in the first month, lets not be delusional
343 has always done this. Anytime people want OG maps or game modes they add them but change the names, or the way they work.
Cheif’s armor/all art design in H4 is a perfect example.
Ex fucking actly.
I cant read how people praise the MCC MP. Its dogshite compared to the original H3 or Reach MP. All maps have different Spawns and different weapon locations. They changed these things completely unnecessary. There was no need to change any of this.
Yeah ok we still can play the games online. But lets be real. How is it possible that we have less features than back then?
Also who tf enjoys CE MP? That shit is almost unplayable with the Magnum.
SBMM out of hell on top of everything.
I hate the praise the MCC gets. People dont know or simply forgot what the og games where like.
I could rant for hours about this.
People are still gonna find a way to defend 343
The only Lee way I ever gave them is that alot of the people there were temporary and 343 could be good now considering everything has changed
r/ShitHaloSays is gonna have to ask for a higher payroll with the amount of corporate meat they love gargling
C'mon 😂 343 never was defended by anyone because no one except Halo community cares about them.
@@Beanieslowthat's a fair point outside of people who liked the franchise didn't care about 343 but it's inside the community that there in lies the issue far too many people are willing to support a studio like this without a second thought which is just tragic is like what call of duty has become these days call of duty hasn't been enjoyable for me personally since the og black ops games and world at war just same things with different dressings which is basically what 343 has done to halo none of it has the original essence/soul that made them great in the first place
@@RiftDragon1 Halo should learn from Call Of Duty, Its not like COD Is a better game this days but People enjoy and play the game because it Marks a difference by every single title It cames, AND Halo ITS just The same thing every Time.
Charlie was right. Not one game from 343 has ever been a banger always have completely unforgivable flaws. And wrost they had good ideas never been able to reach its potential.
Worst*
i kid you not 343's best game was halo megabloks and they werent even responsible for making it they hired another company to make it, just for it to be cancelled, yet it was the best halo game in their whole era so far
@sparkthedragon 343 is truely the WORST company by far.
@@Halogamething well 343 didn't make it. Its their era but they didn't make it.
@@HalogamethingThat’s because 343 didn’t do shit. Ensamble did.
So in other words, it’s ego. Their ego is the reason why they have a bad relationship with Halo’s creators and Bungie’s past employees.
Also, how disrespectful of them to be mean to Jeff Steitzer, one of the kindest souls ever.
And honestly what drives someone to mistreat the multiplayer voice over? What did Steitzer do to get on 343’s shit list besides being in the original games? They are so petty it’s ridiculous
@@DeltaDanner Nothing as far as we know. Jeff has all the details that he went through, and he doesn’t want to say any of it because he’s nice and doesn’t want to cause any drama. That’s just how awesome and nice he is.
343 just has an ego, and almost like they wanted to erase history, and pretend the old Halo games don’t exist. It’s like when Nintendo tried really hard to forget and ignore the GameCube era.
343 is Disney for Halo
Didn't Joe already get transferred out of 343i and started working under Microsoft directly early last year or whenever the big layoffs in Washington happened?
Joe is working with Nexflix gaming since last year.
I think joe is currently working with Netflix on something from, what i remember
He's working with Netflix, not working with Microsoft anymore. That's that shitty bungie community writer who was made head of 343 and basically ruined the franchise with his own ideas that bungie deliberately ignored and made fun of.
@@ia19753 Ohhhh, okay. My bad.
@@ia19753 brooo what?
people still shocked by this stuff, this is just 343 being 343.
"Halo CE is getting a remake!"
Halo 3: 🤡
Halo 3 ODST: 🤡
Halo Reach: 🤡
Halo 4: 🤡
What's the point of making a remake if we already have Halo CE Anniversary?
Exactly. It's a waste of time. Spend it to work on a new title, not some remake of an old game that already has a remaster.
As a CE fan, CEA is such a god awful remaster that my grandmother could do better. A remake I'm not at all excited about. It isn't the time nor the place to have a CE remake, but it is needed at some point.
@@ravensailiata Agreed. Most of the current remaster's models are ripped from H3 and Reach. H2A did a whole lot better than that.
Halo 3 would be good for a Remake but It looks actually good or its just perfect at least, Halo 3 ODST doesn't get too much attention about the people, Reach looks so good and It Is ok, and Halo 4 just came out like almost 10 years and It looks good like Reach.
About Halo CE Remake It makes More sense, to introduce More people to the saga, it's not innescesary, because a Remake at this point its just WAY better than the original Remastered.
Because Halo CE Anniversary looks terrible with it's inconsistent kitbashing of assets from different halo games.
Y'know... The fact that they named their industry after the main villain of Halo CE/Halo 3... It's starting to make so much sense... 343 Industries is literally the villain of the whole franchise!
Since the very beginning I hated how they name their Studio 343 like they couldn't be more imaginative or creatively bankrupt like I get it you make Halo games but they could have came up with a way better name than this
Brought him back in a book too so they could have a cliche redemption arc
"sorry no bungie people" sounds like grounds for a lawsuit.
Man, if there weren't enough reasons to hate 343i.
Bc of microsoft*
@@ReqchV1yep
@@ReqchV1 mostly because of Microsoft, it seems like there used to be or still is an issue with the culture there
343 doesn't deserve to much hate
@@Beanieslow they're not blameless either
Maybe Microsoft should get rid of 343 and give the halo IP to bethesda
If they gave it to ID Software that would be amazing they could make an amazing adult M rated Halo game
Microsoft is also at fault for many of these problems but Bethesda would likely do Halo better. I however always felt Respawn Entertainment [who made the Titanfall games] would also be a good pick for attempting a halo game. [Maybe not though since Titanfall for example is about movement and being fast. which I think is what older halo fans don't want]
@@alex____5602 You're fucking stunning, dude.
Not releasing an M related game is INTENTIONAL.
They SELL. LESS.
Fuckin hell, can we at least get on the same page about WHY 343 does the things they do? Awful company but we can try to not be awful consumers too, y'know
@@alex____5602 No one want a M rated Halo game a part from you I guess. We just want OUR HALO back.
@@SixSioux I want an M rated halo :-/
343 epitome of a failure. They dreamed big without the means to obtain their dreams. Their aspiration to create a legacy has come true. They have created a legacy of failure. A legacy of worthlessness. I wait for the day they are shut down and i hope its soon because just about anyone could make halo better. Except for activision, ea, and blizzard.
What a crock of shit. Why not hire people that worked on the game before? 343 has a massive ego.
It must suck to know that, no matter how many years you have worked at 343 making Halo games, a random modder made the Halo Infinite weapons look better in Bungie´s Halo 3.
Evil can not create, only corrupt.
I can't believe that I used to be a 343 apologist during the build up to infinite.
eh i was that till like 4/5 months ago, wa always yeh they fucked up ALOT but they also made some good additions but its been on the down trend ALOT had some hope with the change of leadership but yeh.... seems like the H:CE remake will probably be just to milk out the last couple remaining og fans because it has H:CE on the box, its sad ill just stay and enjoy my halo mcc stories when they were good
I can, you dogshit virgins hop back on the hype train no matter HOW shit the game is, or the company is. Been that way since the DAY they took over.
All they've ever had to do is release a teaser or marketing sting and you're sold, right back in their pocket.
Wanna know what else is wild? When they announce the next one, you're gonna do it again.
I'd bet my mortgage. Just watched it happen 14 years in a row.
Still, props to you to admit it.
It cannot be understated how unbelievably PETTY this resentment towards each party is. It's so bad that it has come at the expense of the consumers. Halo as a franchise will die because of this, and is dying because of this. May God have favor on this beloved franchise.
343 should do a panel or something where they're just honest about Halo's development. Help us understand, then take accountability. Knowing that 343 has had major personnel changes, it'd be a lot easier to move on with everyone on the same page for how future Halo games will be developed
Is Halo dead? I feel like Halo might be dead and that makes me sad.
It’s definitely not dead. There’s a show. And 343 already confirmed that they were making multiple* halo projects
coma
@@Predator321that doesn’t mean its not dead, multiple projects aren’t gonna bring back the millions of player that loved this game especially when every 343 halo game has been a let down, and nobody cares for the show either, halos been dead since reach
Hasn't it been a walking corpse since 343i picked it up? The only "good" thing 343 has released IMO has been MCC, and that's only after years of fixes, and it still isn't where it should be. Halo infinite got closer to being a good halo game, but they never supported it besides the multiplayer side of it, and the microtransactions.
@@xon0930I'd agree, I just feel like the realization that my favorite franchise is never coming back has just hit me. I've been in denial, I guess.
I have very little hope for the future of this franchise, and it absolutely breaks my heart. Halo was a formative, almost spiritual experience for me growing up. I remember my friends and I losing our minds waiting for Halo 3 to come out, and then playing the campaign and multiplayer over and over and over again. It's an absolute travesty what 343 and Microsoft have done to one of the most impactful science fiction IP's of the early 2000's. The future of Halo is probably going to be retconned into the silver time line, and it makes me queasy.
I GUARANTEE: the remaster will retcon it to match the Halo TV show. Black Captain Keyes, Master Cheeks Voice Actor, etc...
"Contemporary mechanics" in otherwords another terrible 343 fps under the name halo but fails to capture the halo vibe and feel.
I know better then the creator mentality is ruining all sort of media now
I have officially given up on halo because of 343 and will probably not play any new games, unless it they get their shit together
In my opinion, I don’t think it’s exclusively 343 screwing halo, I think it’s a mix of Microsoft being Microsoft and 343 being 343, but I don’t think it’s 100% on one or the other, we saw that with Halo MCC, that was *microsoft* being horrible, 343 was trying to keep micro transactions out of the game.
I cant really blame Microsoft here. If it really was MS why are there Games like Doom Eternal or the newly announced doom? Why is the gears Series still banging? Just look at the recent xbox showcase. So many crazy looking titles. Many of which the developers are under Microsoft. Yet their most iconic IP is so downward spiraling.
Do you really think MS wants Halo to be bad on purpose?
Microtransactions are not the Problem. We see it in so many Live Service Games. When the content is good and people are happy with the game, they dont give a damn about the microtransactions. But as soon as the game gets no content or is really poorly developed, than mtx gets the blame and hate.
So its not about mtx solely, its about the quality of the game and its content. And if we are real serious. Every 343 halo is not nearly as good as any bungie halo. No matter what topic you look at.
And thats the problem here. 343 doesnt have a creative vision. They dont want to make bungie like halos, yet they have zero clue how to bring their own ideas to life. The result is this abomination that looks and feels like a bad ripoff from the bungie games.
Gears of war E-day got announced and in interviews the devs said they are bringing back the old gore and dark atmosphere, they are doing what the fans wanted. So it's just 343 and nothing more.
343 did it well with Halo 4, bad with Halo 5 and both with Halo Infinite. Microsoft needs to change the studio or Halo will die
@@Halogamething on fire 🔥
Nothing was well about COD: Halo 4 they set their saga up for failure from the start
343 has failed so hard at the one thing they exist for, its mind boggling. 343 NEEDS to be completely gutted and re-staffed with people who actually give a shit and like the source material.
343 continuly shows they not just dont like Halo, but they seem to hate Halo
343 hate bungie just because they know their games wont make the same impact as the bungie halo games because they dont put the same level of passion into it
They don't have the wisdom, intelligence, class or even the taste required.
They also foam at the mouth at the thought of a man being happy.
Hailey is spot on, 343 should be shut down and forgotten about. They’ve done nothing but screw up the franchise. They’ve shown they’re not interested in making Halo, they’re interested in making their own version of Halo
343 getting multiple chances was a MISTAKE! WAKE UP SPARTANS.....WAKE UP!!
You see how they brought in old armors in 5? they hated bungie era armor
The day one issue with 343 is that they didn’t wanna make the Halo WE loved they wanted to make their own. This would work for a Franchise that is failing but when 343 came in the Franchise was BOOMING. 343 and MS higher ups have too much of an ego to accept their wrongs and just make a game that we’d love. The reason why is because it would feel like a Bungie game… which is exactly what they don’t want and exactly why they consistently fail
So are they trying to make it silver timeline or just adding back stuff cut from OG game
No not silver timeline, just cutt content and expand CE
I have heard no legit mention from a reliable source of the silver timeline being put into the remake
Come on guys you know the drill. Its silver Timeline 100%
343 never sticks to new ideas, so silver will not be in the games.
I got to disagree with your last take, if they make just Halo CE with a few new weapons, new graphics and just overall the bare minimum, yes I share the feeling of just letting it go, BUT, they could change a lot, there is so much they can add to the story, change de mechanics, new levels, some stories from the novels that they are not included in the game, making it feel like a totally different game , that would be the perfect scenario, BUT, I have a strong feeling that that's not gonna happen, it would probably be another Halo infinite, great idea, good foundations, but poorly executed, half baked and money profit driven. 343i have a lot of good people that care about Halo, but there is plenty more executives that just care of the cash.
yea this dude really said CE is outdated. like no shit its almost 24 years old...... most brain dead take ive ever heard. like he basically said "old so bad" right there. done with Halo favortie game been carefully plotted against to make it fall over the past 12 years. buh bye. im done. no longer have any favorite franchise now besides i guess half life. and we know how being a half life fan is. there will never be another one. becasue they know how to not MILK their franchises.
I sincerely don't understand why you want this game to be changed so much, story-wise. I hope you just mean ADDING bonus levels that can be unlocked like the terminals, but no added in a way where the original dialogue and cutscenes need to be changed to accommodate all the new, unnecessary lore stuff. Because that is my GREATEST fear for this remake/remaster/whatever the fuck
@@Arander92 Yeah what I mean is ADD, what is outdated is the gameplay it self, not that attractive to people who are not Halo fans already, the story is a masterpiece, and yes, they can add even more story to it with the remake
At this point halo ce should be left alone.
And that's what we call a Remake, the same story but with a different perspective, just like the Resident Evil remakes
There has always been that aura about 343 since they formed. Very AstroTurfed and inorganic about how they wanted to approach things from a corporate standpoint not a genuine passion for the franchise. Its a shame as they have made some amazing elements across all their games and expand halo from bungies legacy. Like alot of the extended lore, halo 4s story, halo 5s sandbox, halo infinites gameplay loop and forge. The only thing that pulls them back is the modern practices of contractors, this arrogance mentioned, and the pc ticking box exercises that every other company now has.
This doesn't seem to be just a 343 thing...this feels like ALL companies now. From Bethesda and Fallout tom The Coalition and Gears to so much more. Why can't companies just ask for help from the original makers? You literally had the best developers from Bungie go to 343 saying "we can help you make the perfect Halo sequel" and they denied them? This is so stupid and likely up said tired of the drama. I am tired of game developers being bullies. I am tired of DEI and all the "diversity hire "put a chick it is and make her gay."" I am tired of all our good franchise IP going to shit because these people want to "do their own thing, but use a successful IP because their IP won't sell" kind of attitudes.
Just...why?
343 needs to go
if there is a remaster it will still never compare to the og
Absolutely especially considering the little respect they have for the original creators
As much as i want an anniversary of 3. Halo CEA is absolutely garbage. It fundamentally ignored art direction, and the actual quality of the "upgrades" is borderline deepfried.
Like he said in the video. CE is the most outdated, and the anniversary version is worse than the original. I can play Halo 3, and it's still beautiful. It still feels good to play.
I can play Halo 2 anniversary and graphicly, it still holds up well. CEA is gross to play. I hate that it already had a remaster, but it was the first 343 title and it was a hard L
343 vs Bungie can be summarized in one scene from Halo 3:
343: Oh hello, wonderful news the game is almost complete!
Bungie: Terrific.
343: Yes... Isn't it... I have begun my simulations, no promises but initial results indicate that this game should be ready to launch in just a few more "days" (years).
Bungie: We don't have "a few more days".
343: B-b-but a premature release will destroy the microtransactions!
Bungie: Deal with it.
343: You'll destroy this game...
343: *kills Bungie*
343: Unacceptable, unacceptable! Absolutely unacceptable!
343: *blasts creator at Bungie running in to solve the problem*
343: Game marketing dictates action! I see now that staying true to Halo is wrong!
343: *blasts random Halo fan who was hoping for a good game*
343: *blasts the Bungie developers again for no reason*
343: You are the child of my makers, inheritor of all they left behind, you are HALO... But this franchise... Is MINE.
im from germany sry 4 my English at this point i play halo since halo 2 and im done with 343 i have no more copium .
it was my Favorit Franchise but 4 me its gone 343 did so much misstakes and sh.t on the comunety
so im out where it so easy
So I am a fan of the books and really liked Halo 4 and Infinite. With that said, 343 just keeps hitting lows. Either by firing a lot of the people who made Halo great, or by completely dropping great story arcs. Damn, and I used to defend them because I loved the lore so much.
Nope all trash stop coping.
You think Evil Cortana was a "great" story arc???
Come on...
@@Arander92Read the start of their paragraph again.
*DID THEY MENTION HALO 5?*
They're calling it a remaster, but what they described was a remake.
Halo 1 black mesa
Makes me wonder if the change of leadership at 343 was partly due to the hostility towards bungee getting in the way
MICROSOFT! REPLACE 343i WITH ID SOFTWARE WITH MAKING HALO GAMES AND MY SOUL LIFE IS YOURS!
Hahaha
I did not know 343 was sooo hateful.
How? This was obvious form the beginning to anyone who noticed the random art style change in Halo 4. There is literally no logical reason to do that unless you just hate what came before and want to change it
@@Arander92 Simple. I have a life outside of the gaming community and gaming news. I love Halo but I don't love it enough to follow every line involved with it. 🤣
@@malachairasmussen4591 Ok, that was unnecessarily hostile. Did that make you feel superior to me or something? Cause that’s not how it comes off from the outside.
I’m not even talking about following news, just noticing random shit being changed for no reason other than change.
The fuck is your problem?
@@Arander92 there was nothing hostile about what I said. I have a life outside of gaming isn't hostile by any means. I wasn't attacking you or anyone who likes gaming. You asked and I told. You didn't like the answer. Move on with your life like most of Bungie has.
A lot of what I am seeing is hiring discrimination, especially the "no bungie people". At what point does it become legal to discriminate hiring someone based of a previous organization? (imagine "no girl scouts" when applying for a cookie company). Absolutely wild, feels like a fever dream hearing the insanity in front of me.
If they really tie in the Silver timeline, that is it. I'm completely done with Halo then.
So it seems previous bungie employees have always voiced interest in future halo games. Why not just make a reformed bungie studios with all its old employees? We know the new bungie is almost nothing like old bungie, and most of the people who worked on halo is not apart of the new bungie. So where are all these old halo devs at? Form a new company for halo using them
Some of the original game developers have started a new game studio called Highwire Games I know Marty O’Donnell and Jaime Griesemer work there.
I’ve just searched it up and other developers Jared Noftle, Adrian Perez, and Travis Brady also work there.
Probably because 343 wants the new remake to be WOKE
It's sad I clicked on the video, looked at the first few frames, and am not surprised.
I'm not even going to watch it, as I'm more so just subscribed for the upcoming animation project. No offense.
I just... I don't get how anyone would be surprised. I'd given up by the time Infinite was released for about 3 months. Since then, I've heard secondhand about all the sad things that have happened. How they hired people who hated Halo, the excitement for basic things in Infinite, the 2nd and 3rd seasons of the show, the monetization, the 2nd remake of CE using the show timeline...
How in gods name do real, adult people fuck up this bad? I'm 19, and even I would've known none of this would be a good idea. I would've known at 16. But no, the people in charge genuinely are just... like this. Somehow.
I hope they go bankrupt. I want the people behind this to pay. I don't care if it kills Halo, as it's already been dead. I genuinely wish them the worst. These games mean a lot to me. I grew up with them. Many did. I can't stand seeing it mistreated like this.
Well, this makes me worried for Halo CE Remaster. If 343 is Anti-Bungie, what is to stop them from rewriting CE? What if they remastered the other Halo Bungie games (2, 3, ODST, and Reach) and rewrite the story to fit their vision of Halo.
this has been going on since Halo 4.
the original Bungie lore had the Forerunners as ancient humans directly confirmed by the end of Halo 3 and in the book Halo: Contact Harvest which is why the Covenant waged war with humanity, their Forerunner gods were alive and had to kill them to cover up the lie of their Great Journey.
When Halo 4 was released, Halo 1-3 story was effectively discarded as the Forerunners were not humans anymore, the Covenant had no reason to wage war with humanity in Halo 1-3. This is the story that came out with Frank O Conner’s Halo 3 terminals and continued on to Halo 4 and beyond, it disregarded an entire trilogy of game lore.
Now in Infinite we have the useless squid Endless who are “more dangerous than the Flood” who survived the firing of the rings which supposedly KILLED the entire galaxy but then playing Halo 1-3 - the rings were built BECAUSE OF THE FLOOD threat, nothing survived and the galaxy was reseeded by the Forerunner robots afterward
Having the Endless exist and Bungie’s CE co-exist means that those calamari Endless cannot have a competent backstory, because in Halo 1, the rings were fired and NO ONE SURVIVED (Two Betrayals). Halo CE is blocking the Endless’ progression of a backstory and this remake will destroy everything Halo was about, because 343i is going for the root of it all. Halo CE
The fact that Halo CE is so outdated is the perfect reason to actually remake it from scratch in a new engine!
Exactly all the ones that's saying bad news about it will be groveling at the new halo title praising it because of how good th game will be 💯
Putting trust into 343 to remaster properly without turning Halo CE into a Halo 4/5 abomination is foolhardy.
A lot of reason behind 343I's No Bungie policy comes from Frank O'Connor rewiting the Halo Lore with his weird Fan Fiction ideas that he put in the Greg Bear Forerunner trilogy the Precursors were based off his on Fan Created Alien Race while he worked at Bungie and Left after Halo 3 without telling anyone at Bungie, Bonnie Ross wanting to be like George Lucas and Make Halo into her version of Star Wars, and the Microsoft Executives that wanted Halo to be like Call of Duty after CoD 4 outsold Halo 3 and has always wanted that CoD money ever since.
I’m not that old, I wasn’t even born till after halo 3 and so I wasn’t able to grow up during the golden years of halo, but that didn’t stop my dad from making my first shooter game that I ever played be halo, and I’ve been obsessed with halo ever since and the og games will always be some of my favorite videos games of all time, and I did enjoy halo infinites campaign but listening to this just makes me not want to be around the new halos anymore, and that is really sad to me. I just hope 343i will get there crap together, which I know not all of 343 is bad and there are good people there, I just hope they will release that the bungie games where successful and people love them, and that their own games haven’t been, and that they will realize this and actually hire old bungie employees again and actually learn how to make good halo games, and continue on Bungies legacy, and build a good one for themselves by doing that, instead of continuing to demolish their own.
They couldn't manage to make anything on par with the original games so instead they resorted to just remaking the original games?
IMO in regards to CE, it is dated. It set the curve for the time and was the go-to example for what to do right. But going back to it now, the controls are clunky, which is understandable for the time, but CE's days of glory are long past and doing a remake/remaster is just a waste of time, money, and resources.
As far as this drama goes, I think it is absolutely disgraceful and 343 deserves to be completely dissolved because of it. How they've treated former Bungie staff simply because of the company that they worked for is a level of petty and resentfulness that has no place in a professional environment that they claim to promote. Furthermore to say that the quality of Halo games has dropped dramatically since 343 took over the series would be an understatement on par with saying the Gravemind is dangerous! When you have a team of "developers" who have zero familiarity with the source material and are PROUD of that fact making the next title in a much beloved and well known series like Halo it is a guarantee for disaster. When your lead dev team doesn't know who the main character is in a game series that has been around since 2001 you do not care about the I.P. or the fans that come with it.
Selling Halo to 343 to work on Destiny was one of Bungie's biggest mistakes and hands done one of the biggest mistakes in the history of video games and video game development.
I've been saying it for years, 343 absolutely wanted to make Halo their own separate thing after they took over.
It explains all of the changes they made to the tone, the art style and how they write characters, although the way they wrote chief and Cortana was mostly the best part of it all by far.
But if they were truly this antagonistic towards anything Bungie related then...oh boy.
It must have felt like pulling teeth when they were forced to go back to the original art style.
What they did to Cortana in Halo 5 was easily the worst mistake 343 made in their entire reign, so much so that it really did destroy the franchise. I'm not sure what you're talking about here
@@Arander92They’re referring to Halo 4 Cortana, not Guardians.
How can they work on a new Halo when Infinite is barely finished? game crashed on me just by loading up forge and I cant overwrite my saves now.
Because they prob gave up on infinite.
Petty bitterness and egos has destroyed a game and world I love and adore and frankly the attitude and attempts to erase or change what was while just belittling the fans and people that were there form the beginning it’s just annoying.
At this point maybe MS should just shelve this IP and wait for someone talented and who actually liked Bungie and their games to come along with a proposal, clearly just throwing trucks of money at the problem doesn't help at all
If it is accurate that 343 despise Bungie then for sure halo CE won't be good.. that sound so obvious to me
It makes since you gotta hate the source material to handle a franchise so poorly
Seemingly 343 - “MCC, inheritor of all they left behind, but this franchise, is MINE!…”
If they were going to treat the source team so badly
Why didn't they just make a new franchise?
Hardy himself confirmed Haileys claims about 343 hating Bungie. Check his tweets.
343i doesn’t deserve Halo…
Sure I’d like a H3A but it’s really just gonna be a more modern graphical update, with terminals. Rather have a remake where they can add new weapons, vehicles, original wildlife, original book lore and original mission levels they couldn’t complete because of the hardware at the time. So much more they can do with it which justifies the remake. People are worried cause it’s 343. Either way wether it’s the remake or halo 7 people are always gonna be worried because it’s 343
Dismantle 343... Give it to another studio.. or welcome bungie back?
“They wanted to be different.”
Well. They succeeded at that at least.
Joe Staten was probably like, “Maybe we should tone down the micro transactions and not have more micro transactions be every single update”
343: “Youre fired”
Well, i think everybody that has played Halo:CE is a grown up now, some of us are even parents and stuff, i think we can all agree that microsoft is looking for money, period.
I mean look at how the gaming industry has changed, it's always about money. Bungie didn't seem to be like that, because they were gamers and they loved what they were doing, i doesn't feel that way with 343, they are too greedy, they want to sell billions of copys and rely on micro transactions after that, which sucks.
I agree with the fact that CE is a bit old, it's pure nostalgia and it should stay this way, Halo is deep deep down in my heart and it's my favorite license of all time, because it's wonderful.
Sad thing is that we can't do shit about 343, i am actually happy to see the comments on this chanel, compared to social media where some people are defending 343. and of course it's true, 343 doesn't want to have anything in common with bungie, it's like getting a new job as a director or manager, but your clients are still talking about the guy who worked here before you.
To be honest, i just lost any hope since years now, 343 killed Halo a long time ago, with the show being the nails in the coffin.
They are such a stark contrast in comparison to what The Coalition has been doing with Gears of War. Hate or love 4 and 5. At least they weren't disrespectful to Epic Games and tried to "reinvent the wheel."
343 industries adopted the namesake of one of the most insuferable characters in the Halo franchise, and they're doing their damned best to live up to that character's obnoxious legacy, and then some.
That girl is NOT a Halo 2 dev posing as someone else, she has family and friends that work at MS and for some reason she's close with Bungie people, and everything she's leaked in the past came true. No one even knew MCC was being ended but she said it last year.
343 is the worst company to have ever taken over Halo. Marcus would not have liked her tweet if it wasn't true. I also think 343 laid off Joe Staten and Paul Bertone.
I've lost all interest in Halo now. I don't want them doing any remakes or remasters, 343 doesn't deserve to
It was revealed, a few years ago, that 343i didn't want to hire former Bungie employees because of their dislike of Bungie's Halo. They don't like Bungie.