@@eattherich5409 That's half the point of the video. It makes a very clear statement that she either lied, or she's so self absorbed that anything is insulting to her if it doesn't go her way
@@elfabio8265 You don't think the same situation is happening here? Amber's very existence doesn't mean anything next to what is going on, but "woe is woman".
@@fluidwolf Bullshit romance clichés of becoming completely vulnerable to your partner as a grand romantic gesture to make them feel supa speshul. Or to put it simply "well, if you REALLY loved me, you would ___________".
I hate Amber even more because of the one line: “I guess we were both lied to”. She compares a lifetime's worth of astronomical lies to a few months of a potentially lifesaving lie. Not only that, but in that statement, she compares Mark to his father, essentially implying that his lie was on the same scale as Nolan's. It's disgusting
I didn’t see it as that. I saw it as her saying, a lot as changed since we broke up and we have a new perspective on the situation, now I’m here for you. I don’t think she literally thinks the two lies are equal. I can see how one could read it as toxic though if someone already has a negative idea of her.
Stop. Just stop, okay? I already dislike her enough I DON'T need it to turn into rabid hatred. Did they do this on purpose? Is she supposed to be abusive and manipulative? The trigger that one day turns Mark against humanity?
@@thekrakenexperiment280 The problem with narcissists like Amber is that they don't mean to hurt people around them, but they do it constantly out of a need to be the center of attention. This leads to them bringing down those around them whether they realize they are doing it or not. Her saying "we were both lied to" is like talking to your wife who was raped violently by her own father and bringing up that now she knows what it's like when she's aggressive during consensual sex. It does psychological damage to the partner while also making them feel apologetic to you so you can control them like an invisible chain slipped around their neck called guilt. This scene is actually far worse than that because Mark didn't just go through a violent near-death beating by his own father; he was suddenly forced to deal with massive loss of life and being coated with the blood of the people he swore to protect, having his views of the world challenged, finding out his race is evil, and many more things in his traumatic experience. If Amber was a white male character, would you still defend her vile behavior?
@@thekrakenexperiment280 Poor Mark. Never go back to some one who dumped you. But Mark is young, he's still learning. Mark's getting all the hard lessons in just 1 week.
It should have been, “if you’re a superhero, and this is what it means to date a superhero then i want no part of it.” That should have been Ambers dialogue word for word.
Amber could've been like, "I know you weren't in the hospital, Mark. I phoned every one in the city and the next couple counties. I trolled every news site that should have covered a city bus striking a teenager on a crosswalk. I want to understand, but you need to tell me the truth, because no matter what you're up to, I didn't sign up for this!"
This woulda been so much more reasonable!!! I had been waiting for this suck ass relationship to end since it started but i at least wanted them to end on good terms. Her withholding the fact that she knew his secret identity changed everything and it kinda felt out of character
@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 people here exaggerating its obvious you ppl didnt have any kind of relationship in high school, she is a teen, teens are not reasonable, teens are not that empathic, and before all, teens hate being lied to, amber its not vindictive nor controlling, its a frustrated person tired of giving someone who half of the time seem to dont giving a fuck second, third and forth chances, invincible its turning a great show because this kinda stuff, people are quick to insult a character that they dont like because of a dynamic, when that dynamic isn't even that serious, seriously it looks like if the gf of the main superhero its not supersupportive of his work its bad, no its not, in a relationship it matters very little what you do or are to everyone else, you have to take care of your partner, if not you suck, and in a world where superheroes are normal, she its acting very realistically, its not a mary jane that enables the protagonist to do the fuck he wants because she its like "o wow you are a superhero thats clearly more important than me and our relationship, so im going to stay with you even if due to your ocupation there its practically no relationship" basically, who are critiquing amber forget what its to be a teen, in a relationship and knowing you are in the right, she is in the right, mark its being awfull, even if its good intentioned, and i love how its a simple deal of sometimes some people are not compatible
When she came back in the end and said 'we were both lied to', that pissed me off so much. She's basically saying Nolan lying to Mark his entire life, using him to kill people, and nearly being beaten to death is the same as him lying to her about being Invincible just to protect his identity. She's equating those two things and NOW that Mark has experienced something that - in her eyes - was equal to what he did to her, she can forgive him. That is so unbelievably toxic and narcissistic that it makes me sick.
IKR. Mark is at arguably lowest point by the time he gets to go home after being in the hospital for days, and after the emotional turmoil he got from both the beating and the betrayal of his dad, is not in a very good spot. And Amber just walks back into his life; knowing full well of the things he's suffered only days before, and that Mark is desperate for someone to talk to and recover with.
The real reason she should’ve came back was to apologize and admit that she was in the wrong and maybe ask him if he wanted some company. Now THAT would’ve made me love Amber again.
Couldn't have said it better, anyone who thinks dating magically entitled you to the other person's secrets is already an awful person but looking at just how serious his events are and expecting him to just tell her everything was absolutely stupid as hell. He just recovered from almost DYING. He was in critical condition for WEEKS. But oh no, that doesn't matter at all, somehow he's bad for not giving her her way?
What's more annoying is that the other characters are supporting her and blaming Mark. I'm really tired of this trope, the "I'm mad at you because you don't care about me, you are too busy saving the world" .
Yeah. That would be like in real life, you get mad at your partner (who also saves lives but as a doctor/police officer/firefighter rather than a superhero) who is too busy saving people and thinking that they should only be devoting time to you. It just makes her look very selfish and kinda hypocritical because she volunteers at a community center/shelter and is also helping others as well. Huh? 🤔🤨
Yeah like William was both a solid bro but also was wrong to call him a shitty boyfriend. Mark was a great boyfriend, especially since we the audience know why he was always late. He always tried to make it up to her. And then she makes him feel like crap when she knew why he was always late. He almost DIED, even if she didn’t know that night she should have pieced it together that it wasn’t a bus that hit him.
Is worse, when she goes back to him at the final episode she has the nerve to compare her being lied by Mark, something reasonable, to him being lied by Nolan. All while framing it about herself and throwing shade again to Mark for lying her. Bitch is a massive xunt 😂😂
@@mr.sandman4498 Now i think you are joking or something? I can get behind feeling a bit crap about some women sometimes, especially with the anti men push in media, but i hope that you are just trying to get attention or something?
@@shino4242 not only charity work, but if you were to score the difference between them amber would get a solid 8 while mark in less time doing charity work is at a solid 8 million
Is it? If I'm not mistaken, Amber was the first person to help people, unlike will & his man's. It's absurd how you people overlook this and not be more obvious with the contradictions.
@@ond5041 it's absurd to defend her, "I knew you were a superhero but you didn't tell me do bye fly boy" then when he gets bodied by his dad then all of a sudden "I'm so sorry bout what happened I totally didn't break up with you before"
I think if Amber broke up with him, saying that she can't deal with a relationship with a superhero, people would like her more. It'd be understandable. It's not that she's mad that he's not there. She understands why he's not there. But just because she isn't angry, doesn't mean she can handle the stress, fear, and frustrations that come with being the lover of a superhero. It would also make her coming back after his fight with Omni-Man less stupid as fuck. She'd be returning to comfort him, knowing that he needs her support more than ever.
Well that's what happened in the comics. She couldn't handle relationship with a superhero and wanted more of a normal life. This new version just seems angry and narcissistic.
It's about the constant lying, and the fact that Mark only told the truth when the possibility of her leaving him. She gave him multiple opportunities to tell the truth and he only did when it was too late. But she came back out of guilt for possibly pushing him into the scenario that lead to Mark almost being killed by his own father.
@@stephensmith7327 nowhere am I saying that's not what she said. I'm saying that's a stupid reason to be mad, if she figured out he's a super hero. Secret identities are secret for a reason. Additionally, they're in a pretty new high school relationship. He in no way owes her the truth with something that important. Again, it would have been much more sympathetic and understandable for her to find out and not be able to emotionally handle what being a super hero's significant other entails. So instead of her saying "I've known for weeks, but I wanted you to say it," after blowing up on him for "abandoning" them to fight the cyborg at the college, she instead says something along the lines of "I guess I can't be that mad at you, if you're saving lives, but I don't think I can do this. I can't wait all night hoping you're safe." That's valid, and not toxic. It's also not entitled. The combination of her figuring out weeks earlier AND being pissed that he didn't say it is what makes it stupid. If she figured it out, she should have told him she knows. Instead, she's just getting mad that he's not doing something she's not telling him to do. Additionally, her returning, and having the AUDACITY to say to him "I guess we both were lied to." As if him not telling her he's Invincible for her safety is even REMOTELY similar to him being lied to by his father his entire life, having his body used as a weapon to kill thousands, and being beaten nearly to death. Again, if it was what I suggested (and apparently what was written by the author), then she would be much more likable, and way less toxic and self centered. Her returning would also show that she's actually selfless, rather than selfish, because it's not merely her forgiving him for something that was in no way wrong, but instead her putting aside the fear, anxiety, and struggles she goes through, in order to support him in his darkest hour.
@@stephensmith7327, With all due respect wouldn't that push Invincible to not fight his Father and join Viltrum Empire? In the show he's emotionally hurt by Amber, giving him a negative view of humanity. In the comics the breakup doesn't happen until much later into the story and was much more understandable.
She was literally gaslighting Mark, she knew his secret, yet every time he had to disappear or not be with her because of hero things, she uses it as an excuse to berate and humiliate him. It’s disgusting.
@@thepanthion A form of emotional abuse/manipulation. I don't feel qualified to really explain it but there is a wikipedia article on it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
@@thepanthion basically, the "gaslighter" makes another person believe in something that isn't true. In this instance, Amber makes Mark feel like he is a crappy boyfriend for not spending time with her. Even though Amber knows Mark has bigger responsibilities to take care of, she still went out of her way to berate Mark for not spending time with her thus convincing Mark that he's a "bad boyfriend", when in reality, he's trying his best to manage both worlds.
@@thepanthion tricking someone into thinking they’re crazy. One example: moving furniture around in someone’s home. They go to the cops, cops come to the house, furniture is put back in place. Cops think the person is crazy.
I completely get why Mark didn't tell her... He's in high school and they haven't been together that long... Not even a year... And she expects him to be open with her in every single way
@@BlakePrescott good lord guy what kind of shit response was that. next you are gonna say people you see on the news don't count cause you don't know them face to face.
@@ZigZag-mw9ir Doubt it. I don't think they will turn her from side character to background character like in the comics after putting so much "work" in her.
@@ZigZag-mw9ir Oh no. She is a black female character and Eve is a white red head. There is nothing Hollywood likes more than replacing red heads with black characters. Bonus points if female.
To summarize the video: Amber is being hated because she knew Mark is Invincible, but she wasn't being considerate about Mark's responsibility as a hero.
Pretty much. You can't be angry at someone for being away all the time without telling why, and at the same time, knowing not only the reason, but the reason being extremely important. It makes you sound selfish.
Me too. when his friend did the sorry not sorry bit i wanted him to take his car and throw it at the moon and say that's for not saying thank you after i saved your life.... twice
@@es83stevenson88 Exactly! Will's mindset in that moment: "Hey Mark, I know that you are Invincible but seriously... couldn't you just have stood there and watched me get killed by a cyborg? Real big asshole move of you to pretend to run off and come back to save me."
Ya that was super tone deaf of the writers.. although I suspect it wasn't so much their desire as a mandate that the show couldn't treat their race-bent character as bad in any light. I mean Eve literally tells Mark not to tell her before the break up, and then criticizes him for "Stringing her along" afterwards... like the actual fuck?! They literally hurt other characters just to try and excuse how bad of a character "this" Amber is. The original one in the comics if I recall was actually very understanding and supportive.
i got upset cause she got mad at him for not helping her at the homeless shelter, but when she found out he was doing things BIGGER than that, actually saving lives she still got upset. Its unfair on Mark.
She ain't upset over what's prioritized. The reason she's upset is he continously plays the i want to get serious cards/make the relationship permanent(commitment to meet her mother and suggests going to college together). Then when its convenient/acceptable to tell her before she figures out(as of the trip, but she still didn't know which hero he specifically was). He tosses out flimsy excuses. Simply it's his constant doubling back/duel speak. Every crucial moment he says she's important to him. Then doesn't go the final step and be truthful about his life with her his girlfriend, whom at every turn makes it seem from her perspective they're moving towards being long term; crucial to that is letting her know who he is and talk about hero life with her, etc.
@@skiddybop5747 thats because only the majority of scenes shown. It always dealt with points of contention. Remember its been 8 months give or take. All of their relationship shown has been months worth if that
@@jonathanjohnson6727 Not even a full year of their high school relationship and he’s instantly supposed to tell her something that could potentially put her in so much danger
@@joesifa5235 True, but if she's "not an idiot", she realized during the cyborg fight: She's with her superhero boyfriend. Shit goes down. He disappears, and now there's a superhero on scene with his framework and hair-style + color. Before the cyborg incident she knew he was a superhero. After that incident she has to know that he's Invincible.
@@MrSlothJunior Yeah, Though her and William don't recognize Eve when she doesn't even wear a mask so maybe she just isn't very observant or was distracted
@@TheFreakKid12 This is her boyfriend. Someone she's close with. Someone she allegedly KNOWS is a superhero. And he disappears from right behind her at the same time that a superhero looking like him appears right in front of her. It couldn't be more obvious. That's not comparable to not noticing that your regular ass friend or acquaintance looks like some superhero, you haven't really been paying attention to.
When she asks him if she's important to him, he tells her "yes, of course" and she retorts with "Well it really doesn't feel like it." Before we, the audience, knew that she knew, we can totally understand her frustration. But after we leaned that she knew, that makes her question and response very selfish. She's basically asking him if she's more important than the people he helps and hoping he will choose her over them. Not good girlfriend material.
Feels more like in that instance she was laying out the opportunity for him to say that he was invincible to her. Dont think the direction was for her importance.
@@MASHo1992 Wasn't planned? Bro that was in the comic book that the show is based on that is well over 5 years old, they had time to consult the author and get shit to look good. What a cop out shit tier excuse.
@@ahkenaten522 then have that be her motivation. The scene where she’s jumping down his throat at the college is really bad. Instead have her just flat out say she knows he’s invincible and that she doesn’t think he is serious about her. There’s a reason everyone gets a negative feeling from her character.
This statement is such a leap nowhere in the show does it suggest that at all. Also when was being unrelatable a bad thing like who is on this show, are you relating to Mark?
@@darencolby1916 that's how you protect your friends and family from supervillians ... by telling your secret identity to every girl you date ... right
@@gamefan987 Jesus man all I said was the reason she's mad. I literally said I hate Amber too. I was just saying lets focus on the real reason she's mad and hate on her for that
"hey, your world just falled apart on you and your dad the man who you most love in this world tried to kill you just for the fact that you wanna save your planet... But I'm a good person so I'm gonna give you a chance since I know I'm the most important thing for you"
I disagree. As a hero, villains will constantly go after people you love to get to you. And if you decide to find someone you do care about, then you should tell them almost immediately so they can decide if they want to stay
@@RABuu334 You don't reveal your secret identity to someone you barely know. You only share it with someone you have the utmost trust in and/or someone you intend to spend the rest of your life with. The less people people who know who you are, the less likely they'll end up getting hurt.
She reminds me of the typical girlfriend that gets mad at you because you didn't do what she was hoping to in her mind, but in reality, she never actually told you exactly what she was thinking...
@@stormisuedonym4599 I will care about that explanation when the show aknowledges that. because so far Amber has been the most mature character in the show. Maybe only followed by Debbie. You cant make a very responsible, aware and mature character suddenly act like a bitch and not aknowledge it later. And so far the show Aknowledged nohing.
@@yusukeelric I'm not giving them credit for it, either, until they take her to task for her being a lying bitch. I don't think she's mature, though. I mean, just look at what she's done after finding out Mark was Invincible.
Why is she hated? Gee, let’s see. She’s pissed when he stands her up. Ok I get that. After many such events she is about to break up with him. Ok. Fair enough. He explains the situation, revealing his super ness. Not only does she STILL resent him but then we find out she’s “known all along” that he was super but was mad because he didn’t tell her until now. Then he explains THAT and she STILL RESNTS HIM! If I were him I would have flown away right then and never looked back. Then, when Omni Man is beating the piss out of him, proving his point about possibly putting her in danger by being his girlfriend, she seems to understand his point? TOO LATE! Next time you see her walk the other way, Mark!
@@taikage14 @Philo16 61 No worries kids, she gets what's coming to her bitchiness. She ends up with an abusive boyfriend, because you know, that's what happens to dumb bitches when they dump the good guy. But because she's still a user manipulative bitch she still runs to Mark for help and because Mark is easy to manipulate he goes and beats the crap out of her boyfriend.
Apparently, in the comics, she indeed didn't know. No idea who thought it was a good idea to change this in the animated series, but they completely messed up her character.
@@hobbitpsi first of all I’m not a kid. Second of all I’m reading the comics so I know this and I still prefer the comic book version of her. She didn’t know so when he told her it was all good and they were on good terms when they broke up. If anything I wanted mark to drop Gary off the side of that building when he found him, but knowing mark, we knew he wasn’t going to.
@@taikage14 First and foremost, it was a joke but you're reaction to saying you're not a kid just shows that you're pretty young... So yeh.... I'm assuming early to mid 20s. So yeh to me, you're a kid lol. Enjoy it, getting older sucks.
How was she reasonable for being mad at him when the cyborg attacked tho? If he was just a human, was he supposed to throw hands at the guy with superhuman strength? And she pursues him when she thought he had a thing for Eve, and when he recovers from his life threatening injuries she says she'll give him one more chance. They can write her volunteering all they want, if she keeps taking selfish actions she'll still be an unlikeable character... even worse, a virtual signalling one
I wouldn't say she was perfectly understandable and reasonable up until that point. While I did sympathize with her point about Mark not being there and she was right (if she didn't know his secret), she wasn't exactly the most understanding and sympathetic girlfriend up until that point. After Mark got worked by Battle Beast she basically blew off his injuries because she thought he wasn't attentive enough.
Not perfectly, but she was understandable and you get why she would be mad with him, until that point, until then as far as she knew he could have been doing drugs, cheating on her... but if she knew he was SAVING THE WORLD she has no justification to be that mad
My problem is she literally knew he was a superhero but continued to give him a hard time even though she knows that he’s out there trying to save lives and prevent crime
Yeah but what's the point of having a super boyfriend if he isn't taking you on super dates and giving you super attention? Why isn't he making her super happy so all the girls at school can envy her?
Of course. She's not telling him to stop helping people, but she should give him a hard time. Not only did he lie, but he compromised his hero work by having other obligations. He needed to choose to commit to a normal life or a hero's life, but he did neither and it risked both. If Amber had told him that he had to choose, this would be different. But she didn't.
@@dhgmrz17 thats what the college scene was. Mark either has to admit hes invincible or be seen as the guy who abandoned his girlfriend and best friend while they were in danger. And mark chose the latter.
@@SwordTune She pretended not to know, then gave him shit over risking his neck saving his best friend. Thats lying by omission, and doing it because she wants attention, while taking advantage of him trying to keep a secret identity. Its manipulative as all fucking hell. She was willing to fuck with his head just for doing something very common, that she will help him do in the future. Shes willing to lie to everyone the same way, and just pretends like she cares about honesty. Good people don't stoop lower then someone else and aim to intentionally fuck with them like shit basically did for x amount of time. As its written she's kinda just a selfish hypocrite.
Comic Amber was written beautifully. "The characters are meant to be flawed," some apologists claim, in an effort to defend the animated series. Comic Amber is flawed with purpose, animated series Amber is trash with no excuse.
@@TheYoshi115 comic amber is considerably more flat and boring. Animated Amber is more flawed if anything because her emotions overwhelm her often. Its other peoples fault for perceiving this as a betrayal to Mark.
@@TheYoshi115 The "characters are meant to be flawed" argument only works when the characters are likeable. I disagree with the video profoundly in stating Amber's "good" qualities, I thoroughly disliked Amber throughout the entire season. The one that made me super mad was the soup kitchen plan, where, knowing Mark is invincible, accuses Mark of being too selfish to participate. All of her "courageousness" and daring seem far more geared towards earning social credit and gratitude than actually doing it for the people she so happens to be helping. I've known people like her, and they get under your skin and can totally ruin your life.
Thing is I never really liked Amber. I know the show tried to make her out as this strong and assertive girl who's also caring and giving, but it seemed forced and she came off as pretentious. I did sympathize with her on the issue of Mark not being there, but her knowing Mark was Invincible and still treating him like crap was just the icing on the cake for me
I just keep wondering why there is so much hate for her character, but not the genocidal maniac that is Mark's father. All people seem to talk about is how terrible she is as though she is some how the worst character in the narrative. Did we not just watch an evil scientist augment human bodies into partial robots, or witness the destruction of entire communities by the hand of Omni man? But Amber wanting her boyfriend to volunteer at a soup kitchen is the epitome of awful, got it.
@@dvdscds9539 Its really not that simple. She really is the worst character. Not in terms of evil but in terms of development and and concept. No one is singing Omni-man's praises as a great person. He's the villian, people understand that, but in his story theres depth. Sent to earth to conquer it, but falls in love with a woman and his child and struggles between fulfilling his duty as a soldier and as a father and husband. Though you dont like his actions there's something there to connect to and understand. Mark, balancing the life of a superhero and teenage boy. Other characters have things that connect you to them too. Except for Amber, she's all "good", no drawbacks, no story, no struggle. And not because thats her purpose but because the writers want to force her down your throat. So all she does is come off as pretentious and condescending. Her feelings about Mark were valid and understandable because he wasnt there and she thought she wasnt important to him. But her understanding that he was Invincible and still treats him like that puts the nail in the coffin. You already have a character thats unlikeable and then you have her do that and its over. She understands why he comes over beat up and hurt, she understands that he's saving lives and fighting villians but she's mad at him because he can't make it to the soup kitchen? Or trust her with his secret identity after months of dating? What's to like about her?
@@dvdscds9539 easy, because we've read the comics. Amber in the comics was a realistic character. She had her flaws, but she was cute, sweet, and good both to and for mark. But ultimately, they weren't right for each other. In the show she's a complete cunt. She's not funny, she's not cool, she's just toxic and mean. There's nothing to like. As for why people like omniman, he's cool, smart, terrifying, and there's clearly so much more to the character. And if you've read the comics, you'll know his story is amazing. How can you not like Nolan? He was one of my favorites from the show and comic.
@@dvdscds9539 i mean usually people like more the villain whp does some good things than the good person who does bad things,usually if a chrcter is framed as good any bad thing they do has more contrast,i think thats the reason
@@dvdscds9539 pls dont be that dense.. Omni man is true to character... he is a liar, manipulator and we can see that from the go.. he is portrayed as an evil Mofo and is.. thats good.. Amber is tryna be forced on us as the angel who feelings are getting hurt.. but in reality she is a toxic biatch and we cant stand how shitty the character is written... thats the difference.
I would have honestly preferred if Amber was actually completely unaware of Mark being Invincible. That would have actually added weight to this scene instead of being another throwaway reason for Amber to be mad at him
In the comics she thinks he's been getting into drugs, either using or dealing. It makes perfect sense and it would connect really well with this interpretation of Amber.
I do like the trope of the hero's love interest wanting more attention. It can be done right. Like red rush's gf wanting him to pay attention. She doesn't seem too important but her reaction to his funeral where she says he's finally in one place and I can't see him really shows how red rush's gf was done right. She was conflicted, understood what he had to do, but frustrated. She truly cared about him, unlike Amber who is just mind-numbingly unreasonable and annoying.
Yeah, Red Rush's wife at least had understandable frustrations. She hated the fact that her husband was always absent, but appreciated the fact that he was trying his best, and that he had legitimately good reasons for not being there sometimes.
I feel the original spider-man films did MJ right as she was in a bad place she had terrible boyfriends who eater treated her like a prize like Flash or used her to please someone like Harry also as well Peter knew MJ needed someone to be there for her and there was Moments where MJ realize her own mistakes like peter was her true love or Knowing and realizing Harry was using her but still try to be friends for peter sake
@@comicbookreviewer4856you are serious ? Mj of original movie is easly one of the most toxic girlfriend in all the spiderman . Yes Harry was a Bad boyfriend but her ? Osborn was the only character who was right about her
This is an a part of the comic that was better than the show. Amber didn’t know why Mark was lying. And when she did she understood. She later breaks up with but it’s not mean spirited, and she’s not mad at him for being invincible, it just scares knowing he’s always out there in danger and she just can’t deal with that in her life at that moment. They kept her constantly relatable in the comic. Here it just seemed like she wanted to start a fight. Like her willing to almost sleep with someone to get back at him is one of the most snakey things you could do especially since she knew the context of Mark’s situation
Reminds me of Raimi Mary Jane. Same situation. Want a more fleshed out character and end up making her the most unlikeable character in the trilogy. Atleast raimi Spiderman reconizes Mary Jane actions as flaws in the character.Here, by the end of the first season it feels like we are supposed to think Mark was the only one at fault with Amber, when it feels like she is emotionally manipulating Mark and both owe an apology at each other for different reasons.
My biggest problem with that scene was how out of character it seemed for Amber. In the previous episodes, she’s made it pretty clear how important helping people was to her, but when she finds out Mark had been ditching her to do just that, she gets mad at him. You’d think she’d put saving lives above her own ego
Agreed! He literally almost died while trying to make her past home a better place by taking out Machine Head. And Amber and her close ones are the very reason why he agreed to help Titan :'D
That hypocrisy speaks to me because I've dated women like that. At the beginning of the relationship, Amber looked like she was the one with the power. Amber was smarter, more popular, more involved with good works, and was clearly doing class geek Mark a favor by giving him the time of day. The very instant she realizes that this man possess true power and is making an impact on a global scale, well, that just isn't going to work for her!
i hate that people are saying people aren't allowed to dislike amber, I liked her until she completely shat on mark and broke up with him with what honestly was what just sounded like a lot of arrogance rather than consideration.
Seriously. Since she said she'd known for a few weeks, I'd imagine that she found out before he almost died and still didn't really cut him any slack for not showing up to the shelter. What complete and utter disrespect toward Mark.
@@jiahnamcafee00 because the social justice warriors that do disagree with her being written poorly aren't willing to even watch a video explaining the stigma.
@@Nana-wi4gi not necessarily, but the group that has been particularly unreasonable about it are sjws, my issue isn't disagreement alone, its the toxicity.
I defended her all the way until she kissed Mark after breaking up with him at the end. That is some emotional manipulative bullshit and you do NOT get to make out with someone after just breaking their heart, and you ESPECIALLY don’t do it right after they suffer a family tragedy and are emotionally vulnerable. Don’t get me wrong she did shitty things earlier but I at least kind of understood most of them, but that was the final straw.
Bruh y’all act like she’s the pure evil. She didn’t go to his house to manipulate him. They broke up because of some dumb argument she obviously still loves him. She was fucking worried and happy to see he’s still alive and kissed him. That’s all. She’s a teenager like damn she didn’t plan it to go like that.
@@dasschnecke3025 Im with ya on this.. Like why are people calling a 17 yr old girl toxic? I don't know any TEENAGERS that are more emotionally mature than an adult. Even then, people are getting upset at a teenaged girl and how she reacts to her boyfriend lying to her.
@@Axel146 imma be real with you. I don't care how old she is, I don't care how low her EQ is, I don't care if she thought that was the right thing to do in that moment. I don't give a damn. I highly doubt that she did that shit on purpose, but that doesn't make it ok, its still manipulative as fuck and it isn't ok. You can't excuse a terrible action with age everytime, she fucked up there and people have a right to be mad at her fuck up
The icing on the cake for me is that the relationship mark had with Amber was only like 5-6 months. And she's tripping over him not telling her about his secret identity. Something he didn't even tell his long time best friend about. Amber really felt entitled to that. And just felt really toxic and gaslighting.
@wataleaf if amber figured out he's a hero, she should also understand that those 6 months where he was "late" he was out SAVING THE FUCKING WORLD AND ALMOST DYING. Jesus christ you women can be so fucking toxic.
@wataleaf She's not obligated to stay with him, and she's not obligated to love the fact that he's a hero--he's dropping a huge amount of information on her, and she'd be totally justified in saying "You're not the person I thought I was dating all along, we're done". But all of that justification evaporates with the context that she *knew* that he was a superhero for weeks. She knew he was being pummeled half to death and saving lives. She'd be able to easily look up what he was doing on their first "study date", for example--he was saving people from being crushed by debris or horrifically burned alive in lava. An entire family. Mother, father, daughter. All of them would've been dead if he hadn't fucked off and immediately left her to go save the day. And she has the audacity to make that decision *harder* for him, then be mad at *him* about it.
He was the one who was asking for second chances and couldn’t just accept that the superhero/normal life balance was too much for himself to handle, he’s the entitled one.
My theory: she "loved" him (I use quotation marks because they're in high school, and there's a difference between teenage hormonal love and real love), then she concluded that he didn't love her back when he wouldn't reveal his identity to her. But she never stopped loving him, so when he was in a rough spot, she came back to try to comfort him. Still selfish. Both of them took turns acting selfishly throughout the relationship. But that's how teenage relationships go.
@@andrewe2057 Iif you are going to flesh out a character you also need to give that character a personal journey. Both mark and Eve had to go trough that trough the comic, But not Amber because she was a plot device, by making her a more complex character she needs character development and flaws to overcome. Wich ... is okay since she seems to be a little too manipulative ,selfish and harsh to Mark. But the problem with the show. IS that the writers seem to not think her attitude is flawed and put the guilt on MARK. wich sets a terrible relationship going on and the writers may be treating it as legit. If this is the case the relationship between Amber and mark can get worse on a writing standpoint. I hope season 2 recognizes Amber personality as flawed So she can have an actual arc. I have this fear with the series that they make the same mistake a lot of comics have been doing for years now. Wich is to create overly virtuous characters that are virtuous because the plot wants it, but never really earn that virtue, because they are essentially giant mary sues/Gary Stus. I fear this is the mistake the show may be doing with Amber, Essentially hurting the character in the process.
@@yusukeelric I think that's part of why they're writing her character that way. They want you to hope for Mark and Eve to get together, since they've already shown a little at least that she's interested in him and relies on him.
Ngl I always hated amber. She only cared to go for him out of jealousy of eve and blackmailed someone to even give her number to mark. I think people overlook these ugly traits of hers and focus on the hero identity part but she was gross and toxic from the start
well, she didn't only go out with Mark because she saw him with Eve that's just not true. The person she blackmailed was a bully who sexually harassed and assaulted her and beat up Mark when he stood up to her, and tried to beat him up again a day later but his hits didn't affect Mark because he had powers at that point. Amber after hearing this finds old embarrassing pictures of his that he didn't want others to see and instead of sending them to everyone the bully knows which he honestly deserved she decided to let them go if he literally gave one guy her number. I hate to break this to you, but this isn't exactly a "ugly trait" of hers, and it's barely even blackmail this is if anything her showing mercy to the bully who again sexually harassed and assaulted her and beat up the guy who defended her... Twice. If you want a real example of blackmail in the show look at Titan's situation, that's what real blackmail is.
@@ArmorFN jesus christ if you call what the bully did sexual assault, I feel bad for actual victims of sexual assault. You're minimizing actual crimes by calling an asshole that came on to strong a sexual assaulter/rapist. And im sorry but blackmail is blackmail, regardless of the victim. She didn't have the balls to go to mark herself and needs to blackmail an errand boy to give her number for her. And yes she only cared after she saw Mark with Eve. She hadn't bothered to approach him or ask anything till she saw them hanging out. And then the whole secret identity thing as the nail in the coffin. Amber is a scumbag bitch and mark deserves better. Hope we wizens up soon in the show since in the comic amber wasn't meant to have so much screentime
Thank you so much, I remembered really disliking her from the beginning, but couldn't quite put my finger on why. I thought it was her mannerisms or something, but it was specifically that moment. Where she only starts caring because eve is giving him attention.
@@tena2013 first of all, proof? Second you're warping what Amber did to try to make what I said invalid. What the bully did was sexual assult and harassment because she said no and insted of giving up he grabbed her and harassed her sexually. Do you actually think that sexual assult isn't a serious crime? Makes me think different of you IRL. You basically said "men can sexually assult women all they want as long as they don't r*** them". Also if you think what Amber did was blackmail you should try getting some fucking perspective, maybe look up some actual bad cases of blackmail and think to yourself "I said this was as bad as asking a guy to give someone else my number and they wont post his embaressing pictures, even though this guy has done many illegal and wrong things to them and their friends" when you see the awful exploitations that is actual blackmail. Have you not seen the show they literally show bad blackmail just really look at Titans situation, he's being forced to rob and k*ll people for someone else's gain and when he does what he was asked to do he can't leave because he is threatened again. That's what you're comparing what Amber did to. It's like my comment went right over your head as all you did was repeat the same wrong statements my comment was debunking, and make yourself look like a moron IRL because of it.
@@ArmorFN no you think you're debunking but all you're doing is exaggerate what the bully did (at most sexual harassment, in no way assauly), and make excuses for blackmail cause it was "not serious blackmail". Assault implies direct harm, all the asshole did was come on way too strong and not take no for an answer, thats not assault, thats being a sleazy asshole that harasses people. And my point about blackmail is that its a bad character flaw on ANY level. It doesn't matter if its minor or major blackmail, its simply not a good look. In no way did I say that was as bad as titans situation, YOU made that comparison. So maybe you should stop putting words in my mouth and minimizing real cases of sexual assault
The college, Mark saved his friends lives in front of her yet she breaks up with him for not being there??? WTF???!! It feels like they added that she knew at the last second.
During episode 6 Amber already knew he was invincible so she has no ground to stand on. Communication is a two way street, the literal MOMENT she became aware of the FACT that he was invincible she should have confronted him about it to force the dialogue he refused to have up till that point. The moment she found out her suspicions were literal fact and didn't approach Mark about it, was the moment she lost the MAJORITY (everything prior to her knowledge is still clean) of her footing from a logical stand point.
I think she was tryna give him chances to tell him the truth, which is both good and bad because her holding the truth meant Mark was just keep blueballing her 💀💀 but it’s high school shit anyways no one acts mature
@@ethanthomas349 Remember during the whole cyborg fiasco when Mark kept trying to talk to her after she WRONGFULLY gaslighted him despite KNOWING that he is in fact not a coward but SHE kept blowing him off and even went to flirt with another guy (her disappointed expression when the guy says he has a girlfriend is implication enough) and even when they were getting back and Mark had almost died AGAIN and William was hella depressed and she STILL made the ride back miserable by AGAIN blowing him off??? I'm sorry but no matter how slighted you feel, there is a limit to how much of a person's bitchy actions are acceptable and Amber flew past that line during the cyborg incident and after that.
@@sammydray5919 remember when Mark revealed his secret identity as a get out of jail free card like it would work 💀💀 listen bruh William said it best, “he got dumped weeks ago, he just didn’t know it” ambers bitchy because Mark gave her nothing but shit, she wasn’t upset that he was saving lives at the cyborg attack she was upset that he made the truth painfully obvious but continued to act like she didn’t know. She was basically begging mans to tell her first, even if it’s immature she has every right to not communicate first since Mark never would
@@ethanthomas349 you cant tell every girlfriend youve had your a superhero thats really stupid just because ive dated yo for a few months dont mean you need to know everything we not married ;-;.
Because she’s upset when her boyfriend saves millions of people instead of going to a soup kitchen with her. She’s very selfish and focused entirely on the causes that she loves.
Actually, I noticed that some people with higher empathy are like that. They care much more about 1 cause or group of people and much less about the other.
No. She's actually upset about the fact he didn't tell her before! Upset about him not believing sooner that he can trust her! She would have understand him not being around if he would have just tell her he was a super hero! But he didn't and she had to find out by herself!
@@aj-dr9853 And that's being self-absorbed. Considering there are all kinds of powers out there it's such a huge risk to tell someone even if you trust them, tbh I would not tell anyone unless maybe if I married. When you are in that position you need someone understanding and not someone who tries to nitpick on everything.
@@sababaratashvili8629 she was understanding. She was always trying to find new ways to help people so of course she would have understand. Yes when Mark finally told him, she reacted in a weird way. But to be honest, I was really annoyed at Mark for triyng to win her back again again and again when he should have give her some space. A lot of people complain about Amber, but can't see the fact Mark is also far from perfect.
SPOILER ALERT They really should have kept that part like the comics, mark eventually tells her, she forgives him for being absent and they try for a while, eventually parting ways because this kind of relationship didn't work out and she was feeling too worried, left out and not a part of his superpowered world. That was a MUCH better way of going about things than just "oh I've known for a while but you still should've risked my life and the life of everyone I love by telling me this secret after dating for less than a semester, now let me guilt trip you a bit more before we break up".
Except that version doesn't go well with the strong independent woman. No way would a strong independent woman would be so weak as to not handle his superhero life. So they had to find some other way to break them up and this is the result. Too bad they had to add all the "woke" elements to it because it's a really good show and this only subtracts from it.
War doesn’t determine who’s right only who’s left. Also only the dead have seen the end of war. Because ultimately those who survived dealt with the same shit as those who died but they live on with their brothers dead and the survivors to bear the burden
@hell The ever "admirable" Shakespeare was "a tower of strength" who crafted a "brave new world" when he created or popularized literally thousands of words and phrases we now use everyday. If you've "seen better days", "didn't sleep a wink", or had someone "eat you out of house and home" then you know in your "heart of hearts" that it's a "foregone conclusion" that it's never the wrong time to "break the ice" and quote Shakespeare. No need to be "hostile" and "watchdog" everyone's speech. 😉
I liked her before she realized she knew. After that I didn't like her character at all. Like, if she knew for weeks and is as smart and she was interpreted as, she should have took those weeks to understand. If her problem was the lying, lying protects his identity as well as saved her from stressing over how much he might die every day. If her problem is him missing out, she knows that saving the world/people is far more important than any of their dates. And she even treated the secret identity like it wasn't a big deal Mark: its a secret identity! Amber (ignoring mark): and... And then she comes back in the finale just kidding him and saying she wasn't the only one being lied to (which is not only not an apology, but it isn't even right to compare lies since nolan's lies were life altering while mark's were a minor inconvenience). Honestly, I really wanted to see mark get at least a little mad at her for how unfair she was
when you look back on amber a few things look sketchy. Like when she blackmailed the bully to give her number to mark. If she was really into him wouldn't she have done that herself
"And then she comes back in the finale just kidding him and saying she wasn't the only one being lied to (which is not only not an apology, but it isn't even right to compare lies since nolan's lies were life altering while mark's were a minor inconvenience). " This part made me fucking hate her so much.
I think it’s just bad writing. If you take out “you left us here with that thing” then it all makes sense. Her saying he is a lying piece of shit and he wanted to start over all makes sense without that line. I stopped liking Amber pretty early on though. Just get with Eve already
I mean, he *did* leave them there with that thing, even if it was for a moment. He left them to change his costume, and by doing so, took an unnecessary risk. If he returned even a second later, William might have been killed.
@@themaverick1898 Why does everyone immediately compare this to traditional heroes when Invincible is literally known for intentionally messing with those traditions?
Summarized. They were attacked. There were people all around witnesses. He became invincible and saved everyone's lives. She called him a coward for running off humiliating him infront if everyone. She admits she knew along though and the real reason was trust. That's it, right there. She was a royal bitch for one scene and it ruined her character.
Yeah, after that I don't know how anyone could defend her. Oh she just wanted him to be open and honest, ffs, there are bigger things in this world than you, Amber.
This might be weird, but this comment gave me new perspective on that scene. She calls him a coward for running away and demands an explanation for his absence, but maybe that was her calling him a coward for still not sharing his secret when her life was in danger. He was willing to fight a monster, but he still couldn't bring himself to trust her with such an obvious secret. I haven't rewatched the series, so I could be misinterpreting the scene.
@@lindenshepherd6085 I havent rewatched the scene either but you might be someone onto something. I doubt that's what the writers were going for but sometimes people accident themselves into brilliance. It does happen just like how writers accidentally write themselves a piece of shit. My initial doubt was how soon he revealed himself afterwards, but now that I think about it, I could be wrong. It might've been after the long drive back to her home. Still, I think that would be too soon for that and I still think she is a royal bitch for that scene, even if that was the reasoning she gave. To each their own though. I wont tell you what you can or cant like. I can only explain why I liked or didnt like something or why someone else might.
I can understand being slightly pissed off that he seemingly abandoned her, but it would be easy to get split and, honestly, calling for help will do far better than running into danger (if he was normal, ofc)
@@freewyvern707 and it's even worse because she knew he didn't run away and actually saved everyone there putting his life on the line. And chose to humillate him
@@freewyvern707 the worst part is she knew it was him saving everyone and still decided to complain at him Infront of everyone, almost like she's trying to force him into admitting to being invincible to "get away with" his actions and to take the stance of "why wouldn't you tell me, your girlfriend, who you've been dating for barely even a month, one of the facts that can decide how the rest of your life goes" so she can claim some sort of moral high ground
The argument was unavoidable he should’ve told her way before she even figured it out with superman he never let Lois know before he could tell her when she figured it out in superman and he saved her and went back into the office to make her think he wasn’t superman again because then the relationship would become dysfunctional had he not told her because he’ll just be gaslighting her until they get married and she finally realizes that he’s been gaslighting and embarrassing her for years the reveal would be so fucked had he told her that far in like in retrospect a secret identity isn’t much of a big deal when he knows she has the maturity to not boast about knowing invincible regardless of where the relationship stands like id be more worried about William
@@tbuckley2031 I don't think that's gaslighting. It's acceptable to keep secrets in a relationship especially early on. Especially with a secret as big as this.
@@marccalebflores8270 Exactly, he should be there like a good little simp and throw himself in front of the killer cyborg so she can escape and cry about his demise to the next Chad she ends up meeting.
It would make more sense if Amber knew and (like ultimate MJ) had like severe nervousness and panic attacks or was just really scared and nervous whenever Mark left or was late and was so scared after seeing what went down in episode 7 and 8 she decided she couldn’t date a super hero anymore and decided to dump him gently due the affect dating a super hero had on her mental health
@@sonicelimario2892 What's wrong? I dont know. This is a question for the writers and directors of the animated series. They changed the character for something, so they needed it. If they wanted a character similar to the original, they could just use a comic book character.
The problem with her character is that i feels like she holds herself in higher regard and importance than all the lives that Mark saved. Yes he didnt tell her, but even after she figured it out, she wouldve realised that everytime he was late he was saving lives, sometimes in the thousands. It felt like she didnt care about that. That he shouldve ignored them to be on time for dinner. That's my main problem with her. It makes her feel slightly arrogant that she would hold herself in higher regard than the lives of thousands of others
Completely agree. They did that in the comic. In the comic amber was upset by marks abscesses but also was worried he was dealing or using drugs. When he finally reveals he is a hero she is so relieved. Still upset but with a better understanding so they can both work on moving forward. Here in the show they had this build up and then a complete 360. Maybe it was due to mixing so many different plotlines. I don't know but it was a direction that did not quite work.
Its for SJW Feminism propaganda. To make women empowered and look good, so they rewrote the scene to make her look smart, but backfired. Many good shows have fallen victim to these propaganda characters. Just look at Disney Starwars.
@@NuclearNuke41 for fuck sake, what ruined Star Wars is not having a plan and doing stuff for fan service or for no reason, not "wahmen". Show has issues with adapting stuff besides Amber and that's not because "SJW propaganda" (which is pretty much everything for someone using SJW in 2021), but just poor writing. Comic was already "woke" already, so don't try to scream now.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 Kathleen Kennedy is all about feminism m8. Concrete evidence is out there with her and her female co-workers with shirts saying "The force is female" in a photo. Yeah, bad writing is also the reason, but that is linked to SJW propaganda as well. If you dont know who Kathleen Kennedy is, she is the person who hires writers, directors, everyone for the Disney starwars movie production.
@@NuclearNuke41 while corporate meddling is something that sure effects production, that "SJW" is nothing but fake play to get more cash than propaganda, because they sure try to use it as minimal as possible and we are ignoring individual handling of the each project while screaming that "Kennedy is gonna lose a job (Real this time!)" for 100 time. By the way, "The force is female" is old at this point as hell and pretty much easy PR move. It reminds me when people used photo of original Mass Effect team as if it was ME: Andromeda team to explain "how SJW ruin stuff", pretty misleading shit. I see more mishandle than intential "SJW propaganda". In fact, whole Star Wars fiasco is when I left Anti-SJW side because of how moronic and deranged people got.
Picture this. You go outta your way to help people, save them even And she knows about it and still gets mad at you instead of being understanding of why you kept it a secret.
Come to think of it, the way she handled the relationship in general was prettyyyy manipulative. The way she cries on the 6th episode to make Mark feel guilty although she KNEW he was there and then had the audacity to still be mad when Mark grew the confidence to finally tell her his secret. She expects stuff to flow her way but she doesn't dare to put herself in his shoes, smh.
There was literally nothing to contend with - Amber could handle the fact that he was a superhero, just not when it was obviously an inconvenience. Nobody would smile and accept excuse after excuse after excuse about why their partner missed something very important or necessary; Even Eve said if he was serious about Amber, some arrangements was needed to be made.
Amber's expectations: Mark: "Now that we started dating, you should know that I'm Invincible and my dad is Omni-man" Amber: "Cool, it's our first date and you're telling me that, if you kept it hidden for like a week, I would have to break up with you, even if this informatio puts me, you, your dad, your mom, all our friends and the city in extreme danger"
It would’ve been better writing on her behalf if she had just found out and couldn’t handle him being invincible, instead of her knowing all along.That way they still end up in a rough spot for the plotline. She just ended up being a b word.
Episode 6 is when I started hating Amber because even if she didn't know he was Invincible she still decided to be mad at him even though he was still recovering from his injuries and she knew it.
Seriously! She didn't need to know about a giant kitty pushing his shit in, but she did know that he was seriously hurt. That should have been enough for her not to be mad about him not showing up at the soup kitchen
And even if he was a normal person who was still recovering and he did go to get help, call 911 or the cops or what have you, why she mad? Does she want him to throw himself in front of the rampaging cyborg and get his head ripped off? would that be romantic enough for her? Or did she want him to stop the cyborg with out changing into his costume first? Showing his identity to everyone present? In the age of cell phone cameras? What does she want? Does she even know what she wants? Does she just want to be mad at him? QUESTIONS!!!! :P
I'd say she's worse, Frozone's Wife was selfish in the one scene we see but she also never outright lies and gaslights her significant other for more attention amber on the other hand does all of that and comes across as a textbook abuser in the process.
@@icyatlasartworks We only really ever hear her in the "where is my super suit" scene as far as I'm aware I was using see in the colloquial rather than literal sense.
This reminds me of the times when some girls would want their guy to make more money and then be upset because he is less available due to making more money.
literally happened to me "I want a man with stability" done "I want a man with a certain type of job" done "I want a fit man" 3 months and done "I want you to abandon everything you did and start all over in a different city because I'm lonely and even though I don't have a job I want you to be all of that here and provide" fuck off "but whyyyyyyyyy I just want to spend more tome with you" that's what happens when you get a good paying job, you can't just leave and/or use your time as freely
Exactly. Making lots of money means lots of work. Lots of muscle means lots of time in the gym. You want a Christian Grey, or do you want a man that has time for you?
1) Mark lied to protect Amber 2) Amber didn't tell Mark she knew he was Invincible (a lie of omission) - because she was narcissistic. One of these is clearly better than the other
I swear they’re making Mark and Eve seem more likely to date than with this Amber “You shouldn’t be saving the place I live on and spend time with me” shit
Imagine the type of person Amber is where she makes Mark go on a date with her and when she gets back she turns on the news and sees hundreds dead from a monster attack. She'd be okay with that?
@@davidcarty7584 Even further of a spoiler, *NO, REALLY MAJOR SPOILERS! YOUVE BEEN WARNED* *I MEAN IT SUPER DUPER SPOILERS* *Are you Sure????* Okay... It would turn out that Eve’s powers regenerates her whenever she naturally dies, thus making her practically immortal while Mark lives for thousands of years. Thus leaving Mark to live his life with his love. For a series that is so brutal, dark, and excessively gory, it actually has a satisfying happy ending for Mark and Eve.
The worst part was when she was feeding homeless people and MARK WAS SAVING THE WORLD AND SHE GOT MAD AT HIM. She'd rather feed homeless then for the community to be safe.
If they changed that line to “that’s cool but it doesn’t change how I feel” it would make perfect sense how she’s acting. If she was mad it makes sense for her to not immediately stop being mad and unhappy when he finally explains himself. It was such a dumb line for her to add.
Yeah it would. Even if it comes across as petty, because it definitely is even in the moment. It works. But to keep being pissed like she does even after finding out is...well just a horrible thing for a person to be mad at. Literally saving lives.
@@milowolfface9392 "I leave in the middle of our dates because I can't stop doing my job" - the policeman/firefighter with poor communication skills. Three months later(yes it does happen) they finally tell their love interest. Then finally that love interest just gets mad at them. (Doesn't happen that often) That's basically this whole situation.
Amber can literally be redeemed is she just says something along the lines of " I'm sorry for being angry with u, it was just so frustrating with u leaving all the time, I'm sorry". Boom, done
still sounds irrational and selfish because it's still about her and not him when he's the one risking his life for everyone including hers... i think an "I'm sorry i got angry and frustrated because i feel helpless, i can't help you and i am worried about you." sounds better.
Amber is a victim of "poor" adaptation transition. Kirkman (the writer of the comics and the show) really wanted to change Amber and it shows. He might have been embarrassed that Amber was a rather flat character. The changes are great, but Kirkman did a bad job of changing events for Amber. There are a couple of scenes of Amber obviously not knowing that Mark is a hero, especially the infamous "You left us to that thing" scene. This is mostly because well.... those scenes were from the comics. Kirkman did alot of changes from the comics to make it more sense, BUT he did not have the foresight to change the scenes of Amber that were added to the show.
Kirkman or whoever changed Amber, shouldn't have. She was just fine, if not BETTER in the comics. If she wasn't broken as a likeable character before, don't change her and risk breaking her likeability like with what they did in this series? They should have stuck closer to the comics, this is what's hurting the series already. And this is coming from a guy who saw the show first then read the comics the show came from.
"The changes are great" no, they aren't, they have same issue of missing the point of what made original comic great. The fact, no one talks shit about show doing all mistakes other adaptation do or just actions done astonishes me.
If you observe Amber's behavior throughout this show, she's a literal sociopath. She practically stalked Mark the entire time he was in school, she took the time to frame todd by searching for embarrassing photos, she gets upset that Mark is saving people from literal death. I mean unless Amber is some secret villain in the show, she definitely fits a lot of sociopathic tendencies.
@@guy8643 Working at a soup kitchen and whatnot doesn't mean you actually care, a lot of sociopaths actually do "good" shit like that, suicide hotlines and whatnot. Makes them seem normal. Not saying she is but it's definitely believable. She goes from lovely soup kitchen girl who feeds the homeless to bitching about Mark not putting her before innocent people in danger. No matter how you slice it that's pretty fucked up.
Mark grew up reading superhero comics. So it makes since that in his mind keeping his identity secret from the ones he loves is something he should do. Clearly Amber doesn't understand why he keeps it secret ,but he knows.
By that logic he also read superhero comics that dealt with the fallout of such a long-term secret being revealed and how sometimes the damage is so great, writers often use memory erasure and retcons to avoid dealing with it which is a pretty old and boring trope (It can be used well like with Trollhunters). The moment he started seeing the ugly side of superheroing he should have atleast thought about his future with her
Did you not watch the show. Incase you missed the slaining was after :) Also Amber was gaslight and lied to for almost half a year. You don’t except her to want him to be honest after she found out? She tried to leave Mark was the one that wanted to keep them together.
@@vanessaajohn she also knew the entire time he was a super hero which took everything she was mad at him for and made her look like a narcissistic bitch. At the high school when he saved everyones life she acts like she didn’t know the superhero who suddenly showed up was, but in secret knew the entire time (which she says when mark reveals invincible is him). Which also just makes her look insane. She was the one who went to mark in the first place. So uh yeah I did watch the show lol
The main problem with Amber is that she's so obviously abusive and entitled, but nobody in-universe acknowledges this (and actually blame Mark for Amber's abuse) because the writers themselves don't seem to be aware. This shatters the illusion of character agency, leaving behind a bunch of hand puppets for a writing team that's incapable of understanding basic human decency. In this way, this one awful character drags down the whole show. People hate her because she's essentially a malignant tumor on the quality of an otherwise great series.
@@grimgoreironhide9985 That's different, though. That scene is actually well made, even if it comes across as awkward; Anakin grew up as a slave in a world that's purely sand, so of course he hates it. Now, why would that line come out? Because right before that, Padme said: "We used to come here for school retreat. We would swim to that island every day. I love the water. We used to lie out on the sand and let the sun dry us and try to guess the names of the birds singing." Since he's in love he tries to relate and have a conversation mentioning his own perception of sand, since is the first thing that comes out.
@@carlwheezer1640yeah look, the moment-to-moment dialogue might make intellectual sense but their romance has no chemistry and Padme has zero reason to even tolerate Anakin because he is such an insufferable pest with her when she isn't giving him all her attention. The writing problems in the prequel trilogy are more foundational than just whether the dialogue makes immediate sense for a character to say.
She knew for the last 2-3 weeks out of the 3-4 months they dated. Didn’t ruin anything for me. She wasn’t wrong. He literally only asked for the truth and be made a priority. Normal things.
@Jessica W ah yes telling your secret identity to a person that was your partner for 5 month, the same thing that you didn't even tell to your best friend who knew you for a longer time totally normal thing to say :)
Instead of having Amber not know (since the focus of the show is, in a reductionist sense, subverting expectations of superhero stories) that Mark is Invincible, the reason and dialog of her anger should be changed to *match* her knowledge that Mark is Invincible. If the writers wanted to be really clever with it, Amber's writing could change based on when she figures out his identity, i.e is angry b/c he's absent to being angry that he's lying. This way it fixes the cognitive dissonance, keeps the story fresh, and makes us more sympathetic to Amber. Truth be told I don't think Amber forgiving Mark should ever have happened, even in my preferred rewrite. Why bother keeping her as a romantic partner when Eve and Mark are obviously going to get together? Just seems like she's become a tool for drama rather than an actual character (ironically defeating the purpose of her character lmao)
I agree! Or just clear out WHEN she realised this! Maybe she connected the dots weeks after the upstate u incident, so everything flows and the character is consistent
Well ya that why she mad cause he lied about going to look for the cops, why he left ...etc she might of not spelled it out but that's pretty much what happen
Also, it’s kinda her fault that Williams hot boyfriend got tragically turned into a cyborg. If she wasn’t throwing a tantrum back at the campus, Mark could have been much quicker in helping William and prevent the worst from happening.
@@pugman9672 I mean your right, but I understand that’s it’s kinda hard to make the most rational decisions minutes after getting into a big fight with your partner.
@@derfuchs3296 I personally don't agree with that claim. Lets ignore the fact that she knew he was invincible for a sec, and realize that mark completely ignored rick going missing and was willing to hang up on William even when he was in clear danger on the phone (before of course seeing the reanimen during the call) to pursue Amber. That's irresponsible especially considering he should've known that there could've been more reanimen showing up.
I disagree. The only one to blame for the boyfriend being turned into a cyborg is the crazy scientist. If she threw a fit so that he would be turned it would've been her fault, but she didn't know nor plan for it. It was just a side effect.
PLS, y'all just wanted something to happen with eve & mark and were already mentally prepared to throw anything at amber to pull her out of the equation.
It’s so frustrating because I really liked Amber up to this point. She didn’t take anyone’s bullshit and her frustration at the time was completely justified. I still think that her frustration is somewhat understandable because realistically not everyone could handle being in a relationship with a superhero, but her treatment of Mark was still way over the line given that he was obviously going through a lot to try and save humanity. I’m hoping that there’s some growth with this frustration in the next season where she grows to at least understand that Mark was just trying to do his best.
I hope this is the direction they want to go into. Im okay with her being a flawed character. flaws give depth. I just hope thats the case and not the writers essentially confusing depth with making a mary sue. Wich is also another possibility. If the show doesnt aknowledge her faults in the next season i do think they are trying to make her a Mary Sue.
Yeah, at some point, she is becoming upset that her firefighter BF doesn't have time to do charity stuff. Like, it's important to her and socially good, but like, it's his life.
I actually really like the change you proposed here. Not only would it make her anger make much more sense, but it plays heavily into a big theme of the show and one of Omni-Man's main arguments: in the grand scheme of things, Amber and Mark's relationship doesn't matter. It would really put a spin on how we view Mark as a result because now him guiding her along is somewhat akin to Nolan's situation with Debbie. It really would make us question whether or not he really SHOULD be trying to carry on the relationship. At least this is my personal opinion.
I agree. I think the point the writers were trying to make was that if Mark was serious enough about Amber to talk about going to college together, then she deserved to know the truth. Sure, don't immediately tell a new girlfriend that you're a superhero, but you've gotta figure it out quick if you're serious about her, because a relationship can't survive without her knowing the truth. Mark's pathetic excuses were an insult to Amber's intelligence, and the lies to hide his identity put a strain on their relationship. If he wasn't confident in telling her the truth by the time he was making plans for college with her, then he shouldn't have been stringing her along in a relationship. It really would have worked better if they'd gone with the scenario proposed here, if she hadn't known but still been angry because instead of trusting her with the truth, he just kept stringing her along with lies and expecting her to be too stupid to figure it out. Or alternatively, change the post-college-fight scene to be Amber confronting Mark in that moment when he lies again, telling him that she knows that he's Invincible, and she's angry at him for continuing to lie about it when he's making long term plans with her, because by that point he should trust her enough to tell her.
@@donnyd9268 I mean, she is irrelevant even before a third of the story. I sorta liked that tbh, some relations are nice, but they end and you both move on, wishing the best for each other
What annoys me is the fact that he almost died and she had no sympathy for it. You could argue she had no clue at that time, but assuming she "already knew" that he was superhero, let alone invincible, it only makes all of this look worse.
I kinda hate Marks friend after he was defending amber and blaming mark when the last big fight was casued because Mark ''ran away'' to save HIM. He went away, changed into his superhero gear to save HIM.
She didn't know which superhero he was specifically. She even asked William who that was; the tone she said it in was even sincere. Though it could be that she had moments before been told by Mark that he wants to get serious by going to college together(a step towards permanence). Yet he still won't tell her what she already knows. Proving he's just saying what's necessary in the moment to keep her around. Also I see many of y'all don't flip out over the two faced thing Eve said to Mark about what she told Amber about his circumstance after ep 5(Telling her Mark loves her in a cryptic and non specific message. Then when she speaks with Mark tells him she told Amber he got hit by a bus; quite a specific detail.) Also yes I know what'll happen regardless of how the rest of this dynamic is drawn out into its conclusion.
@@garrisonweekes8808 its crazy how y'all don't look at all the finer details that factor into what happens and why. Ignoring other characters misgivings, flaws along the way; including William giving his identity out at every turn, or failing to apply and accept William and Eve stance towards Marks decisions regarding Amber. Plus Amber parallels Debbie's situation and actions. The only differences are its a teenager relationship vs. marriage with varying scope for what truth is hidden coming from Mark and Nolan. One doesn't let his girlfriend in on what his life entails; yet keeping his truth hidden from her won't matter either way if a villain were to find out. As they always attack those close to them. Whether those loved ones know or not. While the other doesn't let his wife know whats really in store or how he actually views her importance(initially...)
@Matt Lemley when did i like my own comment??? i’m just saying all this seems a bit much. i just don’t understand why amber is receiving so much hate when omni man isn’t.
It's not just Amber imo. It seemed like all of his friends knowing he's been getting decimated told him he's a piece of trash when they broke up. It didn't seem practical for Eve to tell him off given what her character arc was, his best friend saw him getting folded on his behalf and still gave him a talking to. It's almost like they disproved their own point in the middle of the story board and kept going.
@@wolfiewoo3371 I'd go a step further and suggest she might actually be sociopathic. I mean look at her track record. Manipulation, jealousy dating, immediate rebound guys after breaking up with Mark, blackmail, the "I know" scene which recontextualizes everything to mean she was needlessly and selfishly hounding Mark and emotionally manipulating him when she knew he was saving lives. I'm about 1 step away from just labelling her evil quite frankly.
@@tomgachagan1347 The show treats her as if she's right all the time, however. So if they *are* intentional flaws, they're implemented in a rather obtuse way
People mad at mark for lying but defending amber for... literally lying. "You took off, you left us here with that thing!" no that is not true, and you know for a fact that it isn't true.
Have you ever thought she wasn't lying? As in, if she knew he was Invincible she would be mad because he didn't get them out of there and instead faced the cyborg. Which is worse.
@@Saintwolvinn So, Mark was supposed to prioritize removing the two people he knew and leaving everyone else exposed to the rampaging killer robot? Nah. He directly confronted the threat and gave people the chance to escape with their lives.
@@benji777tm that is petty and toxic as fuck tho. Don't manipulate when it is so much easier to just be straight. Honestly charecter inconsistent too. She was always a straight shooter tell then.
Id like to point people to a comic known as irredeemable. In Irredeemable, when the supermax expy revealed to his girlfriend he was a superhero, she didnt just break up with him' *she told everyone they worked with, and they put it on the air.* But yea no Mark should've told her day 1, teenagers ain't petty at all
Mark: "I'm Invincible"
Amber: "Yeah i know"
The audience: "The f*ck?"
My thoughts exactly lol
My reaction;
"What kinda drugs?"
I mean, I felt she knew multiple episodes before he told her
@@eattherich5409
That's half the point of the video.
It makes a very clear statement that she either lied, or she's so self absorbed that anything is insulting to her if it doesn't go her way
THATS WAS ME DAWG🤣☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️🔥🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mark: literally almost dies like half a dozen times saving people as Invincible
Amber: and I took that personally
"Covid 19 affected women most"
Tells you all you need to know about women.
@@fettel1988 Wtf does that even have to add to this argument?
@@elfabio8265 You don't think the same situation is happening here? Amber's very existence doesn't mean anything next to what is going on, but "woe is woman".
@@fettel1988 Im sorry, But I fail to see the pattern
Well he technically can’t die
They in high school and haven't been dating over a year. You can't expect him tell her a family secret like that
Exactlyyyy like wtf. She sounds entitled.
Deadass🤣
I seriously dont understand this weird logic where people think dating for a short time entitles someone to every secret the other person has
I would wait for 2 years to tell my girl I’m a super hero.
@@fluidwolf Bullshit romance clichés of becoming completely vulnerable to your partner as a grand romantic gesture to make them feel supa speshul. Or to put it simply "well, if you REALLY loved me, you would ___________".
I hate Amber even more because of the one line: “I guess we were both lied to”. She compares a lifetime's worth of astronomical lies to a few months of a potentially lifesaving lie. Not only that, but in that statement, she compares Mark to his father, essentially implying that his lie was on the same scale as Nolan's. It's disgusting
dude got almost beat up to death by his father for siding with the humans and yet she finds a way to make it about her
I didn’t see it as that. I saw it as her saying, a lot as changed since we broke up and we have a new perspective on the situation, now I’m here for you. I don’t think she literally thinks the two lies are equal. I can see how one could read it as toxic though if someone already has a negative idea of her.
Stop. Just stop, okay? I already dislike her enough I DON'T need it to turn into rabid hatred. Did they do this on purpose? Is she supposed to be abusive and manipulative? The trigger that one day turns Mark against humanity?
@@thekrakenexperiment280 The problem with narcissists like Amber is that they don't mean to hurt people around them, but they do it constantly out of a need to be the center of attention. This leads to them bringing down those around them whether they realize they are doing it or not. Her saying "we were both lied to" is like talking to your wife who was raped violently by her own father and bringing up that now she knows what it's like when she's aggressive during consensual sex. It does psychological damage to the partner while also making them feel apologetic to you so you can control them like an invisible chain slipped around their neck called guilt. This scene is actually far worse than that because Mark didn't just go through a violent near-death beating by his own father; he was suddenly forced to deal with massive loss of life and being coated with the blood of the people he swore to protect, having his views of the world challenged, finding out his race is evil, and many more things in his traumatic experience. If Amber was a white male character, would you still defend her vile behavior?
@@thekrakenexperiment280 Poor Mark. Never go back to some one who dumped you. But Mark is young, he's still learning. Mark's getting all the hard lessons in just 1 week.
It should have been, “if you’re a superhero, and this is what it means to date a superhero then i want no part of it.” That should have been Ambers dialogue word for word.
Amber could've been like, "I know you weren't in the hospital, Mark. I phoned every one in the city and the next couple counties. I trolled every news site that should have covered a city bus striking a teenager on a crosswalk. I want to understand, but you need to tell me the truth, because no matter what you're up to, I didn't sign up for this!"
Unfortunately they instead decided to make her a bitchy sociopath
This woulda been so much more reasonable!!! I had been waiting for this suck ass relationship to end since it started but i at least wanted them to end on good terms. Her withholding the fact that she knew his secret identity changed everything and it kinda felt out of character
@@tim-tbone5513 or that they were going for the vindictive and controlling girlfriend route. Then it fits her personality to a tee.
@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 people here exaggerating its obvious you ppl didnt have any kind of relationship in high school, she is a teen, teens are not reasonable, teens are not that empathic, and before all, teens hate being lied to, amber its not vindictive nor controlling, its a frustrated person tired of giving someone who half of the time seem to dont giving a fuck second, third and forth chances, invincible its turning a great show because this kinda stuff, people are quick to insult a character that they dont like because of a dynamic, when that dynamic isn't even that serious, seriously it looks like if the gf of the main superhero its not supersupportive of his work its bad, no its not, in a relationship it matters very little what you do or are to everyone else, you have to take care of your partner, if not you suck, and in a world where superheroes are normal, she its acting very realistically, its not a mary jane that enables the protagonist to do the fuck he wants because she its like "o wow you are a superhero thats clearly more important than me and our relationship, so im going to stay with you even if due to your ocupation there its practically no relationship"
basically, who are critiquing amber forget what its to be a teen, in a relationship and knowing you are in the right, she is in the right, mark its being awfull, even if its good intentioned, and i love how its a simple deal of sometimes some people are not compatible
When she came back in the end and said 'we were both lied to', that pissed me off so much. She's basically saying Nolan lying to Mark his entire life, using him to kill people, and nearly being beaten to death is the same as him lying to her about being Invincible just to protect his identity. She's equating those two things and NOW that Mark has experienced something that - in her eyes - was equal to what he did to her, she can forgive him. That is so unbelievably toxic and narcissistic that it makes me sick.
IKR. Mark is at arguably lowest point by the time he gets to go home after being in the hospital for days, and after the emotional turmoil he got from both the beating and the betrayal of his dad, is not in a very good spot. And Amber just walks back into his life; knowing full well of the things he's suffered only days before, and that Mark is desperate for someone to talk to and recover with.
The real reason she should’ve came back was to apologize and admit that she was in the wrong and maybe ask him if he wanted some company. Now THAT would’ve made me love Amber again.
Couldn't have said it better, anyone who thinks dating magically entitled you to the other person's secrets is already an awful person but looking at just how serious his events are and expecting him to just tell her everything was absolutely stupid as hell. He just recovered from almost DYING. He was in critical condition for WEEKS. But oh no, that doesn't matter at all, somehow he's bad for not giving her her way?
I’m seeing so much reaching
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What's more annoying is that the other characters are supporting her and blaming Mark.
I'm really tired of this trope, the "I'm mad at you because you don't care about me, you are too busy saving the world" .
That's literally my major problem with it. Its okay for one character to be wack, but when other people agree with that character too?
she selfish
Yeah. That would be like in real life, you get mad at your partner (who also saves lives but as a doctor/police officer/firefighter rather than a superhero) who is too busy saving people and thinking that they should only be devoting time to you. It just makes her look very selfish and kinda hypocritical because she volunteers at a community center/shelter and is also helping others as well. Huh? 🤔🤨
it's also the modern day trope, blame the guy
Yeah like William was both a solid bro but also was wrong to call him a shitty boyfriend. Mark was a great boyfriend, especially since we the audience know why he was always late. He always tried to make it up to her. And then she makes him feel like crap when she knew why he was always late. He almost DIED, even if she didn’t know that night she should have pieced it together that it wasn’t a bus that hit him.
She knows what he's going through and STILL makes this about her and her standards.
Is worse, when she goes back to him at the final episode she has the nerve to compare her being lied by Mark, something reasonable, to him being lied by Nolan.
All while framing it about herself and throwing shade again to Mark for lying her.
Bitch is a massive xunt 😂😂
and because she's black
@Agent Bubble she's female, so all of her subjective opinions are automatically invalid
@@mr.sandman4498 Now i think you are joking or something? I can get behind feeling a bit crap about some women sometimes, especially with the anti men push in media, but i hope that you are just trying to get attention or something?
@@Grr33nie your mom
Amber dosent realize the city needs to be alive to feed it soup smh
Imagine being mad your BF skipped charity work in order to...go do charity work.
LMAO THIS IS GOLD
@@shino4242 not only charity work, but if you were to score the difference between them amber would get a solid 8 while mark in less time doing charity work is at a solid 8 million
@@shino4242 noooooo I’m the best person you can’t be better than meeeeeeeeeeee 😭
@@shino4242
Oh when you put it like that, it makes her sound like a stupid and selfish jerk. 😁
She literally gets mad for saving Will’s life in that college scene. It’s absurd to me.
I guess her excuse was she was mad that she didn't tell him. But still a stupid reason
She wanted will out of the picture
She was worried he would steal her man
@@gothicglypso5197 lol good one
Is it? If I'm not mistaken, Amber was the first person to help people, unlike will & his man's. It's absurd how you people overlook this and not be more obvious with the contradictions.
@@ond5041 it's absurd to defend her, "I knew you were a superhero but you didn't tell me do bye fly boy" then when he gets bodied by his dad then all of a sudden "I'm so sorry bout what happened I totally didn't break up with you before"
I think if Amber broke up with him, saying that she can't deal with a relationship with a superhero, people would like her more. It'd be understandable. It's not that she's mad that he's not there. She understands why he's not there. But just because she isn't angry, doesn't mean she can handle the stress, fear, and frustrations that come with being the lover of a superhero.
It would also make her coming back after his fight with Omni-Man less stupid as fuck. She'd be returning to comfort him, knowing that he needs her support more than ever.
Well that's what happened in the comics. She couldn't handle relationship with a superhero and wanted more of a normal life.
This new version just seems angry and narcissistic.
Well spoken words!
It's about the constant lying, and the fact that Mark only told the truth when the possibility of her leaving him. She gave him multiple opportunities to tell the truth and he only did when it was too late. But she came back out of guilt for possibly pushing him into the scenario that lead to Mark almost being killed by his own father.
@@stephensmith7327 nowhere am I saying that's not what she said. I'm saying that's a stupid reason to be mad, if she figured out he's a super hero. Secret identities are secret for a reason. Additionally, they're in a pretty new high school relationship. He in no way owes her the truth with something that important.
Again, it would have been much more sympathetic and understandable for her to find out and not be able to emotionally handle what being a super hero's significant other entails. So instead of her saying "I've known for weeks, but I wanted you to say it," after blowing up on him for "abandoning" them to fight the cyborg at the college, she instead says something along the lines of "I guess I can't be that mad at you, if you're saving lives, but I don't think I can do this. I can't wait all night hoping you're safe." That's valid, and not toxic. It's also not entitled.
The combination of her figuring out weeks earlier AND being pissed that he didn't say it is what makes it stupid. If she figured it out, she should have told him she knows. Instead, she's just getting mad that he's not doing something she's not telling him to do.
Additionally, her returning, and having the AUDACITY to say to him "I guess we both were lied to." As if him not telling her he's Invincible for her safety is even REMOTELY similar to him being lied to by his father his entire life, having his body used as a weapon to kill thousands, and being beaten nearly to death.
Again, if it was what I suggested (and apparently what was written by the author), then she would be much more likable, and way less toxic and self centered. Her returning would also show that she's actually selfless, rather than selfish, because it's not merely her forgiving him for something that was in no way wrong, but instead her putting aside the fear, anxiety, and struggles she goes through, in order to support him in his darkest hour.
@@stephensmith7327, With all due respect wouldn't that push Invincible to not fight his Father and join Viltrum Empire?
In the show he's emotionally hurt by Amber, giving him a negative view of humanity. In the comics the breakup doesn't happen until much later into the story and was much more understandable.
She was literally gaslighting Mark, she knew his secret, yet every time he had to disappear or not be with her because of hero things, she uses it as an excuse to berate and humiliate him. It’s disgusting.
What is gaslighting? What's that mean?
@@thepanthion A form of emotional abuse/manipulation. I don't feel qualified to really explain it but there is a wikipedia article on it:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
@@thepanthion basically, the "gaslighter" makes another person believe in something that isn't true.
In this instance, Amber makes Mark feel like he is a crappy boyfriend for not spending time with her. Even though Amber knows Mark has bigger responsibilities to take care of, she still went out of her way to berate Mark for not spending time with her thus convincing Mark that he's a "bad boyfriend", when in reality, he's trying his best to manage both worlds.
YES THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT. She was definitely gaslighting Mark.
@@thepanthion tricking someone into thinking they’re crazy. One example: moving furniture around in someone’s home. They go to the cops, cops come to the house, furniture is put back in place. Cops think the person is crazy.
I completely get why Mark didn't tell her... He's in high school and they haven't been together that long... Not even a year... And she expects him to be open with her in every single way
This is a comic book. These people aren't real. Amber reacts this way because she was written to. That's it.
eve better
@@BlakePrescott Thats a really dumb response.
@@BlakePrescott good lord guy what kind of shit response was that. next you are gonna say people you see on the news don't count cause you don't know them face to face.
@@BlakePrescott shut da hell up
The main problem is that’s they’re trying to make amber a big part of the story when she’s literally a side character
Yeah she will probably be kicked out and replaced with Eve like in the comic.
@@ZigZag-mw9ir Doubt it. I don't think they will turn her from side character to background character like in the comics after putting so much "work" in her.
@@ZigZag-mw9ir Oh no. She is a black female character and Eve is a white red head. There is nothing Hollywood likes more than replacing red heads with black characters. Bonus points if female.
@ZigZag2000 You misspelled woke as work. Autocorrect strikes again.
@@415ProdigalMan you replied to the wrong guy lmao
To summarize the video: Amber is being hated because she knew Mark is Invincible, but she wasn't being considerate about Mark's responsibility as a hero.
Thank you
Pretty much.
Pretty much. You can't be angry at someone for being away all the time without telling why, and at the same time, knowing not only the reason, but the reason being extremely important. It makes you sound selfish.
Also she is retconned from the original work to fit some PC bs.
Yeah but I don’t think she understood what being a hero was like until she saw his dad beat the ever living fuck out of him
What really grinds my gears is that when mark tries to vent to his friends they agree with her.
Me too. when his friend did the sorry not sorry bit i wanted him to take his car and throw it at the moon and say that's for not saying thank you after i saved your life.... twice
The writers were really enjoying their own farts when they shat that scene on paper Im sure
@@es83stevenson88 Exactly! Will's mindset in that moment: "Hey Mark, I know that you are Invincible but seriously... couldn't you just have stood there and watched me get killed by a cyborg? Real big asshole move of you to pretend to run off and come back to save me."
Ya that was super tone deaf of the writers.. although I suspect it wasn't so much their desire as a mandate that the show couldn't treat their race-bent character as bad in any light. I mean Eve literally tells Mark not to tell her before the break up, and then criticizes him for "Stringing her along" afterwards... like the actual fuck?! They literally hurt other characters just to try and excuse how bad of a character "this" Amber is. The original one in the comics if I recall was actually very understanding and supportive.
Thats extremely unrealistic because friends always take their friends side in these sort of things.
Alternate Universe Marks be like, "You know what, Dad? You're right. These people are worthless."
The Fun Ending: Father/Son Genocide Run
The Neutral Ending: The one we got...
The Bad Ending: Amber defeats Omni-Man with a heartfelt speech
@@CalebMealer they did said the wives can be more savage than their husband superhero
Five bucks says he just wants to do it only cuz of school
There's at least 12 of them
@@CalebMealer worse ending : Omni man one punch nan's Amber
i got upset cause she got mad at him for not helping her at the homeless shelter, but when she found out he was doing things BIGGER than that, actually saving lives she still got upset. Its unfair on Mark.
She ain't upset over what's prioritized. The reason she's upset is he continously plays the i want to get serious cards/make the relationship permanent(commitment to meet her mother and suggests going to college together). Then when its convenient/acceptable to tell her before she figures out(as of the trip, but she still didn't know which hero he specifically was). He tosses out flimsy excuses. Simply it's his constant doubling back/duel speak. Every crucial moment he says she's important to him. Then doesn't go the final step and be truthful about his life with her his girlfriend, whom at every turn makes it seem from her perspective they're moving towards being long term; crucial to that is letting her know who he is and talk about hero life with her, etc.
@@jonathanjohnson6727 I just feel like she makes everything about her
@@skiddybop5747 thats because only the majority of scenes shown. It always dealt with points of contention. Remember its been 8 months give or take. All of their relationship shown has been months worth if that
@@jonathanjohnson6727 Its just toxic in my opinion, she only cares when he gets brutally injured shits messed up
@@jonathanjohnson6727 Not even a full year of their high school relationship and he’s instantly supposed to tell her something that could potentially put her in so much danger
"You left us here with that thing!" He didn't though. He literally fought it and held it off right it front of you.
And she literally knew it was him
It's a five head moment for sure
and she fucking knew that. The soul problem wither her character.
@@nathanieldravis1511 Mega Brain
Who greenlit that part of the story? They should be fired.
"YOU RAN"
"i know your invincible"
She said she knew he was a super hero... I don't think she knew exactly which super hero
@@joesifa5235 True, but if she's "not an idiot", she realized during the cyborg fight:
She's with her superhero boyfriend. Shit goes down. He disappears, and now there's a superhero on scene with his framework and hair-style + color.
Before the cyborg incident she knew he was a superhero. After that incident she has to know that he's Invincible.
@@MrSlothJunior yeah, true. Anyway, lets see if she has a character arc in season 2 maybe, now that she actively knows he's
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@@MrSlothJunior Yeah, Though her and William don't recognize Eve when she doesn't even wear a mask so maybe she just isn't very observant or was distracted
@@TheFreakKid12 This is her boyfriend. Someone she's close with. Someone she allegedly KNOWS is a superhero. And he disappears from right behind her at the same time that a superhero looking like him appears right in front of her.
It couldn't be more obvious.
That's not comparable to not noticing that your regular ass friend or acquaintance looks like some superhero, you haven't really been paying attention to.
Mark: This show is called "Invincible". Think Amber, think..
Lmao
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Amber! I'm - [TITLE CARD]
You mean i- [TITLE CARD]
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When she asks him if she's important to him, he tells her "yes, of course" and she retorts with "Well it really doesn't feel like it." Before we, the audience, knew that she knew, we can totally understand her frustration. But after we leaned that she knew, that makes her question and response very selfish. She's basically asking him if she's more important than the people he helps and hoping he will choose her over them. Not good girlfriend material.
Pretty sure the whole "I know" thing was a last minute thing that wasn't planned.
Feels more like in that instance she was laying out the opportunity for him to say that he was invincible to her. Dont think the direction was for her importance.
@@MASHo1992 that's not an excuse. They shoudln't have done that then
Imagine Mark being mad at her for volunteering and wanting her to spend more time with him.
@@MASHo1992
Wasn't planned?
Bro that was in the comic book that the show is based on that is well over 5 years old, they had time to consult the author and get shit to look good. What a cop out shit tier excuse.
I didn’t hate amber until I found out she just valued her soup pouring over millions of lives. The show just made her a selfish unrelatable person.
And she calls herself a humanitarian
He wasn’t serious about her
@@ahkenaten522 then have that be her motivation. The scene where she’s jumping down his throat at the college is really bad. Instead have her just flat out say she knows he’s invincible and that she doesn’t think he is serious about her. There’s a reason everyone gets a negative feeling from her character.
@@ahkenaten522 then why did he try to continue being her boyfriend after she wanted to break it off🤔lol
This statement is such a leap nowhere in the show does it suggest that at all. Also when was being unrelatable a bad thing like who is on this show, are you relating to Mark?
"You almost died, why didn't you pour some soup with me?"
It’s not that he didn’t pour soup. It’s that he lied about why he didn’t pour soup. I dislike Amber too but let’s not make up shit
@@darencolby1916 chill it's just a joke
Also it's a secret identity. He's not just going to say "I was busy being a superhero, I am Invincible"
@@darencolby1916 that's how you protect your friends and family from supervillians ... by telling your secret identity to every girl you date ... right
@@gamefan987 Jesus man all I said was the reason she's mad. I literally said I hate Amber too. I was just saying lets focus on the real reason she's mad and hate on her for that
"hey, your world just falled apart on you and your dad the man who you most love in this world tried to kill you just for the fact that you wanna save your planet... But I'm a good person so I'm gonna give you a chance since I know I'm the most important thing for you"
It's wild that people actually think he should've told her. They've been dating for what? A couple months?
Yeah a secret like that? Wouldn't be revealed for at least a year or two
Right! I'm like it took Peter years to tell MJ. I fell like those people are coming from the mentality that women can do no wrong
Five months. Not even half a year
I disagree. As a hero, villains will constantly go after people you love to get to you. And if you decide to find someone you do care about, then you should tell them almost immediately so they can decide if they want to stay
@@RABuu334 You don't reveal your secret identity to someone you barely know. You only share it with someone you have the utmost trust in and/or someone you intend to spend the rest of your life with. The less people people who know who you are, the less likely they'll end up getting hurt.
She reminds me of the typical girlfriend that gets mad at you because you didn't do what she was hoping to in her mind, but in reality, she never actually told you exactly what she was thinking...
Exactly. She's a teenager.
@@stormisuedonym4599 I will care about that explanation when the show aknowledges that. because so far Amber has been the most mature character in the show. Maybe only followed by Debbie. You cant make a very responsible, aware and mature character suddenly act like a bitch and not aknowledge it later. And so far the show Aknowledged nohing.
@@yusukeelric Mature for a teenager, maybe.
@@yusukeelric I'm not giving them credit for it, either, until they take her to task for her being a lying bitch.
I don't think she's mature, though. I mean, just look at what she's done after finding out Mark was Invincible.
@@yusukeelric mature isn't at all a word to describe Amber lol
Why is she hated? Gee, let’s see. She’s pissed when he stands her up. Ok I get that. After many such events she is about to break up with him. Ok. Fair enough. He explains the situation, revealing his super ness. Not only does she STILL resent him but then we find out she’s “known all along” that he was super but was mad because he didn’t tell her until now. Then he explains THAT and she STILL RESNTS HIM! If I were him I would have flown away right then and never looked back. Then, when Omni Man is beating the piss out of him, proving his point about possibly putting her in danger by being his girlfriend, she seems to understand his point? TOO LATE! Next time you see her walk the other way, Mark!
She’s toxic as hell and I almost threw my phone when they got back together. Mark deserves better.
@@taikage14 @Philo16 61 No worries kids, she gets what's coming to her bitchiness. She ends up with an abusive boyfriend, because you know, that's what happens to dumb bitches when they dump the good guy. But because she's still a user manipulative bitch she still runs to Mark for help and because Mark is easy to manipulate he goes and beats the crap out of her boyfriend.
Apparently, in the comics, she indeed didn't know. No idea who thought it was a good idea to change this in the animated series, but they completely messed up her character.
@@hobbitpsi first of all I’m not a kid. Second of all I’m reading the comics so I know this and I still prefer the comic book version of her. She didn’t know so when he told her it was all good and they were on good terms when they broke up. If anything I wanted mark to drop Gary off the side of that building when he found him, but knowing mark, we knew he wasn’t going to.
@@taikage14 First and foremost, it was a joke but you're reaction to saying you're not a kid just shows that you're pretty young... So yeh.... I'm assuming early to mid 20s. So yeh to me, you're a kid lol. Enjoy it, getting older sucks.
She was perfectly understandable and reasonable.... up until the point when they tried to pull the "I knew all along" shit. Absolute misfire IMO...
How was she reasonable for being mad at him when the cyborg attacked tho? If he was just a human, was he supposed to throw hands at the guy with superhuman strength?
And she pursues him when she thought he had a thing for Eve, and when he recovers from his life threatening injuries she says she'll give him one more chance. They can write her volunteering all they want, if she keeps taking selfish actions she'll still be an unlikeable character... even worse, a virtual signalling one
I wouldn't say she was perfectly understandable and reasonable up until that point. While I did sympathize with her point about Mark not being there and she was right (if she didn't know his secret), she wasn't exactly the most understanding and sympathetic girlfriend up until that point. After Mark got worked by Battle Beast she basically blew off his injuries because she thought he wasn't attentive enough.
Not perfectly, but she was understandable and you get why she would be mad with him, until that point, until then as far as she knew he could have been doing drugs, cheating on her... but if she knew he was SAVING THE WORLD she has no justification to be that mad
For me it is "You made me feel stupid and unimportant". Like yeah bruh compared to the lives of innocent people your romance is nothing.
was she undestandable and reasonable just watch her beheaviour from ep 1 and tell me she was a good person up until the invicible revelation moment?
The problem with amber is they wanted to give her more agency than her comic counterpart. But it changed her from stupid to selfish in the process
Chi Chi counterpart
Amber was created as a plot device. So i get if you want to try to flesh her out to be something more. This. wasn't a very good attempt at that.
This true this true
@@thedarkgunslinger2869 Chichi at least doesnt complain when Goku goes to save the world
This whole thing wouldnt have happened if they had followed the comic word for word panel by panel just like an anime.
My problem is she literally knew he was a superhero but continued to give him a hard time even though she knows that he’s out there trying to save lives and prevent crime
If they wanted to show her intelligence, they should had her come up with a scheme to corner Mark into revealing his identity to her.
Yeah but what's the point of having a super boyfriend if he isn't taking you on super dates and giving you super attention? Why isn't he making her super happy so all the girls at school can envy her?
Of course. She's not telling him to stop helping people, but she should give him a hard time. Not only did he lie, but he compromised his hero work by having other obligations. He needed to choose to commit to a normal life or a hero's life, but he did neither and it risked both. If Amber had told him that he had to choose, this would be different. But she didn't.
@@dhgmrz17 thats what the college scene was. Mark either has to admit hes invincible or be seen as the guy who abandoned his girlfriend and best friend while they were in danger. And mark chose the latter.
@@SwordTune She pretended not to know, then gave him shit over risking his neck saving his best friend. Thats lying by omission, and doing it because she wants attention, while taking advantage of him trying to keep a secret identity.
Its manipulative as all fucking hell. She was willing to fuck with his head just for doing something very common, that she will help him do in the future. Shes willing to lie to everyone the same way, and just pretends like she cares about honesty. Good people don't stoop lower then someone else and aim to intentionally fuck with them like shit basically did for x amount of time. As its written she's kinda just a selfish hypocrite.
The funny thing is in the comic, Mark revealing his identity strengthened their relationship. Amber just wanted the truth.
Makes sense
Comic Amber was written beautifully. "The characters are meant to be flawed," some apologists claim, in an effort to defend the animated series. Comic Amber is flawed with purpose, animated series Amber is trash with no excuse.
@@TheYoshi115 comic amber is considerably more flat and boring. Animated Amber is more flawed if anything because her emotions overwhelm her often. Its other peoples fault for perceiving this as a betrayal to Mark.
@@chelronin7843 Throwing blame so freely, are we? Analysis is a multi-level thing, not a matter of looking for a scape-goat.
@@TheYoshi115 The "characters are meant to be flawed" argument only works when the characters are likeable. I disagree with the video profoundly in stating Amber's "good" qualities, I thoroughly disliked Amber throughout the entire season. The one that made me super mad was the soup kitchen plan, where, knowing Mark is invincible, accuses Mark of being too selfish to participate. All of her "courageousness" and daring seem far more geared towards earning social credit and gratitude than actually doing it for the people she so happens to be helping. I've known people like her, and they get under your skin and can totally ruin your life.
Thing is I never really liked Amber. I know the show tried to make her out as this strong and assertive girl who's also caring and giving, but it seemed forced and she came off as pretentious. I did sympathize with her on the issue of Mark not being there, but her knowing Mark was Invincible and still treating him like crap was just the icing on the cake for me
I just keep wondering why there is so much hate for her character, but not the genocidal maniac that is Mark's father. All people seem to talk about is how terrible she is as though she is some how the worst character in the narrative. Did we not just watch an evil scientist augment human bodies into partial robots, or witness the destruction of entire communities by the hand of Omni man? But Amber wanting her boyfriend to volunteer at a soup kitchen is the epitome of awful, got it.
@@dvdscds9539 Its really not that simple. She really is the worst character. Not in terms of evil but in terms of development and and concept. No one is singing Omni-man's praises as a great person. He's the villian, people understand that, but in his story theres depth. Sent to earth to conquer it, but falls in love with a woman and his child and struggles between fulfilling his duty as a soldier and as a father and husband. Though you dont like his actions there's something there to connect to and understand. Mark, balancing the life of a superhero and teenage boy. Other characters have things that connect you to them too. Except for Amber, she's all "good", no drawbacks, no story, no struggle. And not because thats her purpose but because the writers want to force her down your throat. So all she does is come off as pretentious and condescending. Her feelings about Mark were valid and understandable because he wasnt there and she thought she wasnt important to him. But her understanding that he was Invincible and still treats him like that puts the nail in the coffin. You already have a character thats unlikeable and then you have her do that and its over. She understands why he comes over beat up and hurt, she understands that he's saving lives and fighting villians but she's mad at him because he can't make it to the soup kitchen? Or trust her with his secret identity after months of dating? What's to like about her?
@@dvdscds9539 easy, because we've read the comics.
Amber in the comics was a realistic character. She had her flaws, but she was cute, sweet, and good both to and for mark. But ultimately, they weren't right for each other.
In the show she's a complete cunt. She's not funny, she's not cool, she's just toxic and mean. There's nothing to like.
As for why people like omniman, he's cool, smart, terrifying, and there's clearly so much more to the character. And if you've read the comics, you'll know his story is amazing.
How can you not like Nolan? He was one of my favorites from the show and comic.
@@dvdscds9539 i mean usually people like more the villain whp does some good things than the good person who does bad things,usually if a chrcter is framed as good any bad thing they do has more contrast,i think thats the reason
@@dvdscds9539 pls dont be that dense.. Omni man is true to character... he is a liar, manipulator and we can see that from the go.. he is portrayed as an evil Mofo and is.. thats good.. Amber is tryna be forced on us as the angel who feelings are getting hurt.. but in reality she is a toxic biatch and we cant stand how shitty the character is written... thats the difference.
I would have honestly preferred if Amber was actually completely unaware of Mark being Invincible. That would have actually added weight to this scene instead of being another throwaway reason for Amber to be mad at him
In the comics she thinks he's been getting into drugs, either using or dealing. It makes perfect sense and it would connect really well with this interpretation of Amber.
in the comics shes that oblivious blonde woman but here shes a smart independant black woman
@@TheSoggyOreos not sure if thats meant to be a good or bad thing
@@strikingsarcophagus its good just her dialogue is poorly written
@@strikingsarcophagus in real life it’s good but writing one is apparently hard and often gives shitty results
I do like the trope of the hero's love interest wanting more attention. It can be done right. Like red rush's gf wanting him to pay attention. She doesn't seem too important but her reaction to his funeral where she says he's finally in one place and I can't see him really shows how red rush's gf was done right. She was conflicted, understood what he had to do, but frustrated. She truly cared about him, unlike Amber who is just mind-numbingly unreasonable and annoying.
Yeah, Red Rush's wife at least had understandable frustrations. She hated the fact that her husband was always absent, but appreciated the fact that he was trying his best, and that he had legitimately good reasons for not being there sometimes.
I feel the original spider-man films did MJ right as she was in a bad place she had terrible boyfriends who eater treated her like a prize like Flash or used her to please someone like Harry also as well Peter knew MJ needed someone to be there for her and there was Moments where MJ realize her own mistakes like peter was her true love or Knowing and realizing Harry was using her but still try to be friends for peter sake
@@comicbookreviewer4856
That's a good example.
Seeing red rush's wife in that situation was heart breaking. It was the scene that made me hate omni man so much more😑
@@comicbookreviewer4856you are serious ? Mj of original movie is easly one of the most toxic girlfriend in all the spiderman . Yes Harry was a Bad boyfriend but her ? Osborn was the only character who was right about her
This is an a part of the comic that was better than the show. Amber didn’t know why Mark was lying. And when she did she understood. She later breaks up with but it’s not mean spirited, and she’s not mad at him for being invincible, it just scares knowing he’s always out there in danger and she just can’t deal with that in her life at that moment. They kept her constantly relatable in the comic. Here it just seemed like she wanted to start a fight. Like her willing to almost sleep with someone to get back at him is one of the most snakey things you could do especially since she knew the context of Mark’s situation
Yeah, they fucked it up.
I agree the way the relationship ended was very growing for both of them in the comic
Reminds me of Raimi Mary Jane. Same situation. Want a more fleshed out character and end up making her the most unlikeable character in the trilogy. Atleast raimi Spiderman reconizes Mary Jane actions as flaws in the character.Here, by the end of the first season it feels like we are supposed to think Mark was the only one at fault with Amber, when it feels like she is emotionally manipulating Mark and both owe an apology at each other for different reasons.
It was actually Mark that breaks off the relationship in the comics dude.
Also why she black. Wasnt she a blonde lol . Just an odd change.
Personally my opinion of her changed when I noticed she saw Mark hanging out with Eve and decided to ask him out there
My biggest problem with that scene was how out of character it seemed for Amber. In the previous episodes, she’s made it pretty clear how important helping people was to her, but when she finds out Mark had been ditching her to do just that, she gets mad at him. You’d think she’d put saving lives above her own ego
Agreed! He literally almost died while trying to make her past home a better place by taking out Machine Head. And Amber and her close ones are the very reason why he agreed to help Titan :'D
hypocrisy at its best
That hypocrisy speaks to me because I've dated women like that. At the beginning of the relationship, Amber looked like she was the one with the power. Amber was smarter, more popular, more involved with good works, and was clearly doing class geek Mark a favor by giving him the time of day. The very instant she realizes that this man possess true power and is making an impact on a global scale, well, that just isn't going to work for her!
Was the university fight within that "few weeks ago" timeline? I cannot remember right now. Maybe that's the moment she found out.
@@MrE_ i think that episode took place over like 2/3 days, so she definitely knew the whole time they were at the University
i hate that people are saying people aren't allowed to dislike amber, I liked her until she completely shat on mark and broke up with him with what honestly was what just sounded like a lot of arrogance rather than consideration.
Seriously. Since she said she'd known for a few weeks, I'd imagine that she found out before he almost died and still didn't really cut him any slack for not showing up to the shelter. What complete and utter disrespect toward Mark.
Yo from all these comments idk who is say that cause it seems like everyone hates her
@@jiahnamcafee00 because the social justice warriors that do disagree with her being written poorly aren't willing to even watch a video explaining the stigma.
@@gabrielbro8083 So people who disagree with you are SJWs?
@@Nana-wi4gi not necessarily, but the group that has been particularly unreasonable about it are sjws, my issue isn't disagreement alone, its the toxicity.
I defended her all the way until she kissed Mark after breaking up with him at the end. That is some emotional manipulative bullshit and you do NOT get to make out with someone after just breaking their heart, and you ESPECIALLY don’t do it right after they suffer a family tragedy and are emotionally vulnerable. Don’t get me wrong she did shitty things earlier but I at least kind of understood most of them, but that was the final straw.
Yup! I felt the same way! Maybe her super power is super manipulation XD
Bruh y’all act like she’s the pure evil. She didn’t go to his house to manipulate him. They broke up because of some dumb argument she obviously still loves him. She was fucking worried and happy to see he’s still alive and kissed him. That’s all. She’s a teenager like damn she didn’t plan it to go like that.
I agree
@@dasschnecke3025 Im with ya on this.. Like why are people calling a 17 yr old girl toxic? I don't know any TEENAGERS that are more emotionally mature than an adult. Even then, people are getting upset at a teenaged girl and how she reacts to her boyfriend lying to her.
@@Axel146 imma be real with you. I don't care how old she is, I don't care how low her EQ is, I don't care if she thought that was the right thing to do in that moment. I don't give a damn. I highly doubt that she did that shit on purpose, but that doesn't make it ok, its still manipulative as fuck and it isn't ok. You can't excuse a terrible action with age everytime, she fucked up there and people have a right to be mad at her fuck up
“You don’t seem to understand... Saving lives is a bigger priority than this relationship.”
The icing on the cake for me is that the relationship mark had with Amber was only like 5-6 months. And she's tripping over him not telling her about his secret identity. Something he didn't even tell his long time best friend about. Amber really felt entitled to that. And just felt really toxic and gaslighting.
@wataleaf if amber figured out he's a hero, she should also understand that those 6 months where he was "late" he was out SAVING THE FUCKING WORLD AND ALMOST DYING. Jesus christ you women can be so fucking toxic.
@wataleaf She's not obligated to stay with him, and she's not obligated to love the fact that he's a hero--he's dropping a huge amount of information on her, and she'd be totally justified in saying "You're not the person I thought I was dating all along, we're done".
But all of that justification evaporates with the context that she *knew* that he was a superhero for weeks. She knew he was being pummeled half to death and saving lives. She'd be able to easily look up what he was doing on their first "study date", for example--he was saving people from being crushed by debris or horrifically burned alive in lava.
An entire family. Mother, father, daughter. All of them would've been dead if he hadn't fucked off and immediately left her to go save the day.
And she has the audacity to make that decision *harder* for him, then be mad at *him* about it.
@wataleaf ratio
@wataleaf so fuck all the lives that mark protected for a 7 month relationship with a toxic and hypocritical girl, ok
He was the one who was asking for second chances and couldn’t just accept that the superhero/normal life balance was too much for himself to handle, he’s the entitled one.
The thing that doesn’t sit right with me is how she immediately gets back with Mark just because they find out Omni-Man is evil
Takes poor mark getting his ass beat by his dad on world television for her to realize just how crazy his life is lol.
My theory: she "loved" him (I use quotation marks because they're in high school, and there's a difference between teenage hormonal love and real love), then she concluded that he didn't love her back when he wouldn't reveal his identity to her. But she never stopped loving him, so when he was in a rough spot, she came back to try to comfort him.
Still selfish. Both of them took turns acting selfishly throughout the relationship. But that's how teenage relationships go.
@@andrewe2057 Iif you are going to flesh out a character you also need to give that character a personal journey. Both mark and Eve had to go trough that trough the comic, But not Amber because she was a plot device, by making her a more complex character she needs character development and flaws to overcome. Wich ... is okay since she seems to be a little too manipulative ,selfish and harsh to Mark. But the problem with the show. IS that the writers seem to not think her attitude is flawed and put the guilt on MARK. wich sets a terrible relationship going on and the writers may be treating it as legit. If this is the case the relationship between Amber and mark can get worse on a writing standpoint. I hope season 2 recognizes Amber personality as flawed So she can have an actual arc.
I have this fear with the series that they make the same mistake a lot of comics have been doing for years now. Wich is to create overly virtuous characters that are virtuous because the plot wants it, but never really earn that virtue, because they are essentially giant mary sues/Gary Stus. I fear this is the mistake the show may be doing with Amber, Essentially hurting the character in the process.
@@yusukeelric I think that's part of why they're writing her character that way. They want you to hope for Mark and Eve to get together, since they've already shown a little at least that she's interested in him and relies on him.
Faaacts
Ngl I always hated amber. She only cared to go for him out of jealousy of eve and blackmailed someone to even give her number to mark. I think people overlook these ugly traits of hers and focus on the hero identity part but she was gross and toxic from the start
well, she didn't only go out with Mark because she saw him with Eve that's just not true. The person she blackmailed was a bully who sexually harassed and assaulted her and beat up Mark when he stood up to her, and tried to beat him up again a day later but his hits didn't affect Mark because he had powers at that point. Amber after hearing this finds old embarrassing pictures of his that he didn't want others to see and instead of sending them to everyone the bully knows which he honestly deserved she decided to let them go if he literally gave one guy her number. I hate to break this to you, but this isn't exactly a "ugly trait" of hers, and it's barely even blackmail this is if anything her showing mercy to the bully who again sexually harassed and assaulted her and beat up the guy who defended her... Twice. If you want a real example of blackmail in the show look at Titan's situation, that's what real blackmail is.
@@ArmorFN jesus christ if you call what the bully did sexual assault, I feel bad for actual victims of sexual assault. You're minimizing actual crimes by calling an asshole that came on to strong a sexual assaulter/rapist.
And im sorry but blackmail is blackmail, regardless of the victim. She didn't have the balls to go to mark herself and needs to blackmail an errand boy to give her number for her. And yes she only cared after she saw Mark with Eve. She hadn't bothered to approach him or ask anything till she saw them hanging out.
And then the whole secret identity thing as the nail in the coffin. Amber is a scumbag bitch and mark deserves better. Hope we wizens up soon in the show since in the comic amber wasn't meant to have so much screentime
Thank you so much, I remembered really disliking her from the beginning, but couldn't quite put my finger on why. I thought it was her mannerisms or something, but it was specifically that moment. Where she only starts caring because eve is giving him attention.
@@tena2013 first of all, proof? Second you're warping what Amber did to try to make what I said invalid. What the bully did was sexual assult and harassment because she said no and insted of giving up he grabbed her and harassed her sexually. Do you actually think that sexual assult isn't a serious crime? Makes me think different of you IRL. You basically said "men can sexually assult women all they want as long as they don't r*** them". Also if you think what Amber did was blackmail you should try getting some fucking perspective, maybe look up some actual bad cases of blackmail and think to yourself "I said this was as bad as asking a guy to give someone else my number and they wont post his embaressing pictures, even though this guy has done many illegal and wrong things to them and their friends" when you see the awful exploitations that is actual blackmail. Have you not seen the show they literally show bad blackmail just really look at Titans situation, he's being forced to rob and k*ll people for someone else's gain and when he does what he was asked to do he can't leave because he is threatened again. That's what you're comparing what Amber did to. It's like my comment went right over your head as all you did was repeat the same wrong statements my comment was debunking, and make yourself look like a moron IRL because of it.
@@ArmorFN no you think you're debunking but all you're doing is exaggerate what the bully did (at most sexual harassment, in no way assauly), and make excuses for blackmail cause it was "not serious blackmail". Assault implies direct harm, all the asshole did was come on way too strong and not take no for an answer, thats not assault, thats being a sleazy asshole that harasses people. And my point about blackmail is that its a bad character flaw on ANY level. It doesn't matter if its minor or major blackmail, its simply not a good look. In no way did I say that was as bad as titans situation, YOU made that comparison. So maybe you should stop putting words in my mouth and minimizing real cases of sexual assault
The college, Mark saved his friends lives in front of her yet she breaks up with him for not being there??? WTF???!! It feels like they added that she knew at the last second.
Because they did. She didn't know in the comic
During episode 6 Amber already knew he was invincible so she has no ground to stand on. Communication is a two way street, the literal MOMENT she became aware of the FACT that he was invincible she should have confronted him about it to force the dialogue he refused to have up till that point. The moment she found out her suspicions were literal fact and didn't approach Mark about it, was the moment she lost the MAJORITY (everything prior to her knowledge is still clean) of her footing from a logical stand point.
Project Omnia I think that scene was just bad writing.
I think she was tryna give him chances to tell him the truth, which is both good and bad because her holding the truth meant Mark was just keep blueballing her 💀💀 but it’s high school shit anyways no one acts mature
@@ethanthomas349 Remember during the whole cyborg fiasco when Mark kept trying to talk to her after she WRONGFULLY gaslighted him despite KNOWING that he is in fact not a coward but SHE kept blowing him off and even went to flirt with another guy (her disappointed expression when the guy says he has a girlfriend is implication enough) and even when they were getting back and Mark had almost died AGAIN and William was hella depressed and she STILL made the ride back miserable by AGAIN blowing him off???
I'm sorry but no matter how slighted you feel, there is a limit to how much of a person's bitchy actions are acceptable and Amber flew past that line during the cyborg incident and after that.
@@sammydray5919 remember when Mark revealed his secret identity as a get out of jail free card like it would work 💀💀 listen bruh William said it best, “he got dumped weeks ago, he just didn’t know it” ambers bitchy because Mark gave her nothing but shit, she wasn’t upset that he was saving lives at the cyborg attack she was upset that he made the truth painfully obvious but continued to act like she didn’t know. She was basically begging mans to tell her first, even if it’s immature she has every right to not communicate first since Mark never would
@@ethanthomas349 you cant tell every girlfriend youve had your a superhero thats really stupid just because ive dated yo for a few months dont mean you need to know everything we not married ;-;.
Because she’s upset when her boyfriend saves millions of people instead of going to a soup kitchen with her. She’s very selfish and focused entirely on the causes that she loves.
Actually, I noticed that some people with higher empathy are like that. They care much more about 1 cause or group of people and much less about the other.
No. She's actually upset about the fact he didn't tell her before! Upset about him not believing sooner that he can trust her! She would have understand him not being around if he would have just tell her he was a super hero! But he didn't and she had to find out by herself!
I saw it as she was upset Bc he was ok stringing her along. He should have either told her or left her.
@@aj-dr9853 And that's being self-absorbed. Considering there are all kinds of powers out there it's such a huge risk to tell someone even if you trust them, tbh I would not tell anyone unless maybe if I married. When you are in that position you need someone understanding and not someone who tries to nitpick on everything.
@@sababaratashvili8629 she was understanding. She was always trying to find new ways to help people so of course she would have understand. Yes when Mark finally told him, she reacted in a weird way. But to be honest, I was really annoyed at Mark for triyng to win her back again again and again when he should have give her some space. A lot of people complain about Amber, but can't see the fact Mark is also far from perfect.
SPOILER ALERT
They really should have kept that part like the comics, mark eventually tells her, she forgives him for being absent and they try for a while, eventually parting ways because this kind of relationship didn't work out and she was feeling too worried, left out and not a part of his superpowered world. That was a MUCH better way of going about things than just "oh I've known for a while but you still should've risked my life and the life of everyone I love by telling me this secret after dating for less than a semester, now let me guilt trip you a bit more before we break up".
Don't take away the satisfaction in knowing she ends up in a abusive relationship after she dumps Mark.... Yeh it's fucked up but so satisfying.
@@hobbitpsi this version of the character making it hard to empathize
Except that version doesn't go well with the strong independent woman. No way would a strong independent woman would be so weak as to not handle his superhero life. So they had to find some other way to break them up and this is the result. Too bad they had to add all the "woke" elements to it because it's a really good show and this only subtracts from it.
@@mrkiky yep, that's why my expectations for token characters are always super low.
Amber is literally a perfect example of the, "Men die in war, women most affected..." meme.
Fucking true.
War doesn’t determine who’s right only who’s left. Also only the dead have seen the end of war. Because ultimately those who survived dealt with the same shit as those who died but they live on with their brothers dead and the survivors to bear the burden
@hell The ever "admirable" Shakespeare was "a tower of strength" who crafted a "brave new world" when he created or popularized literally thousands of words and phrases we now use everyday. If you've "seen better days", "didn't sleep a wink", or had someone "eat you out of house and home" then you know in your "heart of hearts" that it's a "foregone conclusion" that it's never the wrong time to "break the ice" and quote Shakespeare. No need to be "hostile" and "watchdog" everyone's speech. 😉
Narcissism is one hell of a disability
@@RivkahSong?
I liked her before she realized she knew. After that I didn't like her character at all. Like, if she knew for weeks and is as smart and she was interpreted as, she should have took those weeks to understand. If her problem was the lying, lying protects his identity as well as saved her from stressing over how much he might die every day. If her problem is him missing out, she knows that saving the world/people is far more important than any of their dates. And she even treated the secret identity like it wasn't a big deal
Mark: its a secret identity!
Amber (ignoring mark): and...
And then she comes back in the finale just kidding him and saying she wasn't the only one being lied to (which is not only not an apology, but it isn't even right to compare lies since nolan's lies were life altering while mark's were a minor inconvenience). Honestly, I really wanted to see mark get at least a little mad at her for how unfair she was
Yeah this is how I felt. The moment she revealed she knew is the the moment she lost me.
when you look back on amber a few things look sketchy. Like when she blackmailed the bully to give her number to mark. If she was really into him wouldn't she have done that herself
@@draconshot928 That's a good point.
@@draconshot928 True
"And then she comes back in the finale just kidding him and saying she wasn't the only one being lied to (which is not only not an apology, but it isn't even right to compare lies since nolan's lies were life altering while mark's were a minor inconvenience). "
This part made me fucking hate her so much.
I think it’s just bad writing. If you take out “you left us here with that thing” then it all makes sense. Her saying he is a lying piece of shit and he wanted to start over all makes sense without that line. I stopped liking Amber pretty early on though. Just get with Eve already
I mean, he *did* leave them there with that thing, even if it was for a moment. He left them to change his costume, and by doing so, took an unnecessary risk. If he returned even a second later, William might have been killed.
@@kenstorm707 I hope you’re being facetious
@@devincognito8932 Nope. I honestly believe the way Mark handled things was just as bad as everyone thinks the way Amber handled things was.
@@kenstorm707 guess superman, Spiderman, batman, and all other heroes who leave to change are in the wrong. Who knew 🤷♂️
@@themaverick1898 Why does everyone immediately compare this to traditional heroes when Invincible is literally known for intentionally messing with those traditions?
Summarized.
They were attacked. There were people all around witnesses. He became invincible and saved everyone's lives. She called him a coward for running off humiliating him infront if everyone. She admits she knew along though and the real reason was trust. That's it, right there. She was a royal bitch for one scene and it ruined her character.
Yeah, after that I don't know how anyone could defend her. Oh she just wanted him to be open and honest, ffs, there are bigger things in this world than you, Amber.
Guess mark should’ve told amber he was invincible instead of saving his best friend
This might be weird, but this comment gave me new perspective on that scene.
She calls him a coward for running away and demands an explanation for his absence, but maybe that was her calling him a coward for still not sharing his secret when her life was in danger. He was willing to fight a monster, but he still couldn't bring himself to trust her with such an obvious secret. I haven't rewatched the series, so I could be misinterpreting the scene.
@@lindenshepherd6085 I havent rewatched the scene either but you might be someone onto something. I doubt that's what the writers were going for but sometimes people accident themselves into brilliance. It does happen just like how writers accidentally write themselves a piece of shit. My initial doubt was how soon he revealed himself afterwards, but now that I think about it, I could be wrong. It might've been after the long drive back to her home. Still, I think that would be too soon for that and I still think she is a royal bitch for that scene, even if that was the reasoning she gave. To each their own though. I wont tell you what you can or cant like. I can only explain why I liked or didnt like something or why someone else might.
@@lindenshepherd6085 I think he was too focused on saving his bestie then to stop for a few moments and say “hey amber im invincible”
The last scene was worse. She got mad for fleeing from a crazed cyborg. like: you weren't supposed to run, you were supposed to die with me!
I can understand being slightly pissed off that he seemingly abandoned her, but it would be easy to get split and, honestly, calling for help will do far better than running into danger (if he was normal, ofc)
@@freewyvern707 and it's even worse because she knew he didn't run away and actually saved everyone there putting his life on the line. And chose to humillate him
@@freewyvern707 the worst part is she knew it was him saving everyone and still decided to complain at him Infront of everyone, almost like she's trying to force him into admitting to being invincible to "get away with" his actions and to take the stance of "why wouldn't you tell me, your girlfriend, who you've been dating for barely even a month, one of the facts that can decide how the rest of your life goes" so she can claim some sort of moral high ground
The argument was unavoidable he should’ve told her way before she even figured it out with superman he never let Lois know before he could tell her when she figured it out in superman and he saved her and went back into the office to make her think he wasn’t superman again because then the relationship would become dysfunctional had he not told her because he’ll just be gaslighting her until they get married and she finally realizes that he’s been gaslighting and embarrassing her for years the reveal would be so fucked had he told her that far in like in retrospect a secret identity isn’t much of a big deal when he knows she has the maturity to not boast about knowing invincible regardless of where the relationship stands like id be more worried about William
@@tbuckley2031 I don't think that's gaslighting. It's acceptable to keep secrets in a relationship especially early on. Especially with a secret as big as this.
even if he wasn't Invincible, what does she want him to against a killing machine
proly sacrifice himself for nothing
@@marccalebflores8270 Exactly, he should be there like a good little simp and throw himself in front of the killer cyborg so she can escape and cry about his demise to the next Chad she ends up meeting.
Grap em and take em with him....??
And wa injured due to gettimg hit by bus(still a valid reason that was told to Amber by Eve but we know Battle Beast rocked his shit pretty badly😭😭😭)
@@michaelcastro5339 holy shit, incel alert lmao.
It would make more sense if Amber knew and (like ultimate MJ) had like severe nervousness and panic attacks or was just really scared and nervous whenever Mark left or was late and was so scared after seeing what went down in episode 7 and 8 she decided she couldn’t date a super hero anymore and decided to dump him gently due the affect dating a super hero had on her mental health
I like that idea. It's interesting
Nah, that would be too close to Amber from the comic.
@@SleepWalkerWW better than what we got in the show at least
@@SleepWalkerWW what is wrong with being comic accurate
@@sonicelimario2892 What's wrong? I dont know. This is a question for the writers and directors of the animated series. They changed the character for something, so they needed it. If they wanted a character similar to the original, they could just use a comic book character.
She was more of a pet to me, Not like she’ll be around in 500 years. Think Mello
lol
@@baoboba Yeah, that is unfortunate, but he did remember his question and was very happy with what he had by then.
@@satanbrony9235 it was a very nice moment
The problem with her character is that i feels like she holds herself in higher regard and importance than all the lives that Mark saved. Yes he didnt tell her, but even after she figured it out, she wouldve realised that everytime he was late he was saving lives, sometimes in the thousands. It felt like she didnt care about that. That he shouldve ignored them to be on time for dinner. That's my main problem with her. It makes her feel slightly arrogant that she would hold herself in higher regard than the lives of thousands of others
Completely agree. They did that in the comic. In the comic amber was upset by marks abscesses but also was worried he was dealing or using drugs. When he finally reveals he is a hero she is so relieved. Still upset but with a better understanding so they can both work on moving forward.
Here in the show they had this build up and then a complete 360. Maybe it was due to mixing so many different plotlines. I don't know but it was a direction that did not quite work.
Also ember is a different character
Its for SJW Feminism propaganda. To make women empowered and look good, so they rewrote the scene to make her look smart, but backfired.
Many good shows have fallen victim to these propaganda characters. Just look at Disney Starwars.
@@NuclearNuke41 for fuck sake, what ruined Star Wars is not having a plan and doing stuff for fan service or for no reason, not "wahmen". Show has issues with adapting stuff besides Amber and that's not because "SJW propaganda" (which is pretty much everything for someone using SJW in 2021), but just poor writing. Comic was already "woke" already, so don't try to scream now.
@@mikhaelgribkov4117 Kathleen Kennedy is all about feminism m8. Concrete evidence is out there with her and her female co-workers with shirts saying "The force is female" in a photo. Yeah, bad writing is also the reason, but that is linked to SJW propaganda as well.
If you dont know who Kathleen Kennedy is, she is the person who hires writers, directors, everyone for the Disney starwars movie production.
@@NuclearNuke41 while corporate meddling is something that sure effects production, that "SJW" is nothing but fake play to get more cash than propaganda, because they sure try to use it as minimal as possible and we are ignoring individual handling of the each project while screaming that "Kennedy is gonna lose a job (Real this time!)" for 100 time. By the way, "The force is female" is old at this point as hell and pretty much easy PR move. It reminds me when people used photo of original Mass Effect team as if it was ME: Andromeda team to explain "how SJW ruin stuff", pretty misleading shit. I see more mishandle than intential "SJW propaganda". In fact, whole Star Wars fiasco is when I left Anti-SJW side because of how moronic and deranged people got.
Picture this. You go outta your way to help people, save them even And she knows about it and still gets mad at you instead of being understanding of why you kept it a secret.
Come to think of it, the way she handled the relationship in general was prettyyyy manipulative. The way she cries on the 6th episode to make Mark feel guilty although she KNEW he was there and then had the audacity to still be mad when Mark grew the confidence to finally tell her his secret. She expects stuff to flow her way but she doesn't dare to put herself in his shoes, smh.
She knew he's invincible and she didn't accept the fact he has priorities and can't always be focusing on her
Women am i right?
There was literally nothing to contend with - Amber could handle the fact that he was a superhero, just not when it was obviously an inconvenience. Nobody would smile and accept excuse after excuse after excuse about why their partner missed something very important or necessary; Even Eve said if he was serious about Amber, some arrangements was needed to be made.
@@ond5041 imagine letting people die bc you have a study date
@@bleachkid44 LOL ppl morals are fucked up I swear
@@gabrielphillips8253 maybe she didn’t know he was invincible but he was a superhero
Amber's expectations:
Mark: "Now that we started dating, you should know that I'm Invincible and my dad is Omni-man"
Amber: "Cool, it's our first date and you're telling me that, if you kept it hidden for like a week, I would have to break up with you, even if this informatio puts me, you, your dad, your mom, all our friends and the city in extreme danger"
It would’ve been better writing on her behalf if she had just found out and couldn’t handle him being invincible, instead of her knowing all along.That way they still end up in a rough spot for the plotline. She just ended up being a b word.
Episode 6 is when I started hating Amber because even if she didn't know he was Invincible she still decided to be mad at him even though he was still recovering from his injuries and she knew it.
Seriously! She didn't need to know about a giant kitty pushing his shit in, but she did know that he was seriously hurt. That should have been enough for her not to be mad about him not showing up at the soup kitchen
@@alexrayne2875 Also if he just got seriously hurt and was still recovering why would he want to endanger his life again
And even if he was a normal person who was still recovering and he did go to get help, call 911 or the cops or what have you, why she mad? Does she want him to throw himself in front of the rampaging cyborg and get his head ripped off? would that be romantic enough for her? Or did she want him to stop the cyborg with out changing into his costume first? Showing his identity to everyone present? In the age of cell phone cameras? What does she want? Does she even know what she wants? Does she just want to be mad at him? QUESTIONS!!!!
:P
@@ArchReverend right
the only thing I hate about her is that they made her black in the cartoon.
She reminds me of Frozone’s wife.
“I am the greatest good you’re ever gonna get?”
Certified best comment 👌
I'd say she's worse, Frozone's Wife was selfish in the one scene we see but she also never outright lies and gaslights her significant other for more attention amber on the other hand does all of that and comes across as a textbook abuser in the process.
@@GodOfOrphans do we ever actually see frozone's wife? We probably do in one of the flashback scenes of the wedding, but I don't remember correctly
@@icyatlasartworks We only really ever hear her in the "where is my super suit" scene as far as I'm aware I was using see in the colloquial rather than literal sense.
@@GodOfOrphans oh, no, I wasn't trying to argue with you, I was just asking a legit question since I haven't seen the movies in a while lol, my bad
"you left a girl in your room while you flew off..." *in this precise moment omni man realises his son wont get laid*
Welll I don’t think he knew about eve
This reminds me of the times when some girls would want their guy to make more money and then be upset because he is less available due to making more money.
literally happened to me
"I want a man with stability" done
"I want a man with a certain type of job" done
"I want a fit man" 3 months and done
"I want you to abandon everything you did and start all over in a different city because I'm lonely and even though I don't have a job I want you to be all of that here and provide" fuck off
"but whyyyyyyyyy I just want to spend more tome with you" that's what happens when you get a good paying job, you can't just leave and/or use your time as freely
Exactly. Making lots of money means lots of work. Lots of muscle means lots of time in the gym. You want a Christian Grey, or do you want a man that has time for you?
1) Mark lied to protect Amber 2) Amber didn't tell Mark she knew he was Invincible (a lie of omission) - because she was narcissistic. One of these is clearly better than the other
True, Mark is an idiot.
@@syressx9098 I agree - he wasted way to much time on Amber
@@GUYMAN261 He was late or never there. He didn't spend much time on her.
1) His lies never protected her. 2) It wasn't her secret to reveal, she was trying to give him the chance to come clean on his own.
Amber wasted HER TIME on Mark. He clearly never seriously though about their relationship.
I swear they’re making Mark and Eve seem more likely to date than with this Amber “You shouldn’t be saving the place I live on and spend time with me” shit
Imagine the type of person Amber is where she makes Mark go on a date with her and when she gets back she turns on the news and sees hundreds dead from a monster attack. She'd be okay with that?
Spoiler alert for does of you who have never read the comics mark and Eve not only do they end up dating but they end up married with kids lmao
@@davidcarty7584 Even further of a spoiler, *NO, REALLY MAJOR SPOILERS! YOUVE BEEN WARNED*
*I MEAN IT SUPER DUPER SPOILERS*
*Are you Sure????*
Okay...
It would turn out that Eve’s powers regenerates her whenever she naturally dies, thus making her practically immortal while Mark lives for thousands of years. Thus leaving Mark to live his life with his love. For a series that is so brutal, dark, and excessively gory, it actually has a satisfying happy ending for Mark and Eve.
@@dastemplar9681 I already knew that
Eve told mark he gotta be careful dating a non soup like literally
"THINK MARK THINK"
The worst part was when she was feeding homeless people and MARK WAS SAVING THE WORLD AND SHE GOT MAD AT HIM. She'd rather feed homeless then for the community to be safe.
If they changed that line to “that’s cool but it doesn’t change how I feel” it would make perfect sense how she’s acting. If she was mad it makes sense for her to not immediately stop being mad and unhappy when he finally explains himself. It was such a dumb line for her to add.
Yeah it would. Even if it comes across as petty, because it definitely is even in the moment. It works. But to keep being pissed like she does even after finding out is...well just a horrible thing for a person to be mad at. Literally saving lives.
@@milowolfface9392
"I leave in the middle of our dates because I can't stop doing my job"
- the policeman/firefighter with poor communication skills.
Three months later(yes it does happen) they finally tell their love interest.
Then finally that love interest just gets mad at them. (Doesn't happen that often)
That's basically this whole situation.
Yea that’s what i expected to happen. And it makes sense, if you can’t make time for someone you shouldn’t date them
Amber can literally be redeemed is she just says something along the lines of " I'm sorry for being angry with u, it was just so frustrating with u leaving all the time, I'm sorry". Boom, done
still sounds irrational and selfish because it's still about her and not him when he's the one risking his life for everyone including hers... i think an "I'm sorry i got angry and frustrated because i feel helpless, i can't help you and i am worried about you." sounds better.
It works because people will simp, and people will imagine themselves with her
she's mad at mark for saving people and herself from being killed and she has the audacity t fucking complain about him not being there
She is a supporting character. They will forget about her very soon
They can't have her do that. The fault must be Mark's. That's just how it is in writing these days.
Amber is a victim of "poor" adaptation transition. Kirkman (the writer of the comics and the show) really wanted to change Amber and it shows. He might have been embarrassed that Amber was a rather flat character. The changes are great, but Kirkman did a bad job of changing events for Amber. There are a couple of scenes of Amber obviously not knowing that Mark is a hero, especially the infamous "You left us to that thing" scene. This is mostly because well.... those scenes were from the comics. Kirkman did alot of changes from the comics to make it more sense, BUT he did not have the foresight to change the scenes of Amber that were added to the show.
so why change the colour of her skin thou? that's more insulting and an excuse to change her skin to make it more "diverse" which is stupid
@@maymay5600 it's fine in my opinion.
@@maymay5600 umm.. well.. its not the skin color problem.. its the selfish "independent" attitude she has..
Kirkman or whoever changed Amber, shouldn't have. She was just fine, if not BETTER in the comics.
If she wasn't broken as a likeable character before, don't change her and risk breaking her likeability like with what they did in this series? They should have stuck closer to the comics, this is what's hurting the series already.
And this is coming from a guy who saw the show first then read the comics the show came from.
"The changes are great" no, they aren't, they have same issue of missing the point of what made original comic great. The fact, no one talks shit about show doing all mistakes other adaptation do or just actions done astonishes me.
"I'm not an idiot" well if that ain't the biggest lie I've ever heard
The character was built with more red flags than a shark-infested beach. That makes Mark a literal "mark" for being with her.
Agreed. She was basically stalking Mark & Eve before, then blackmailed a guy into giving him her phone #. I would have told her hell no.
If you observe Amber's behavior throughout this show, she's a literal sociopath. She practically stalked Mark the entire time he was in school, she took the time to frame todd by searching for embarrassing photos, she gets upset that Mark is saving people from literal death. I mean unless Amber is some secret villain in the show, she definitely fits a lot of sociopathic tendencies.
@@controlman7490 Bruh no, Amber literally shows empathy to other people and obviously cares about other people. She’s not a sociopath
@@guy8643 Wrong
@@guy8643 Working at a soup kitchen and whatnot doesn't mean you actually care, a lot of sociopaths actually do "good" shit like that, suicide hotlines and whatnot. Makes them seem normal.
Not saying she is but it's definitely believable.
She goes from lovely soup kitchen girl who feeds the homeless to bitching about Mark not putting her before innocent people in danger. No matter how you slice it that's pretty fucked up.
Mark grew up reading superhero comics. So it makes since that in his mind keeping his identity secret from the ones he loves is something he should do. Clearly Amber doesn't understand why he keeps it secret ,but he knows.
And also thinking telling he’s invincible would fix everything
It worked better in the comic as the rest of the story.
It's not because he grew up with superhero comics, but because he grew up in a world of superheroes.
By that logic he also read superhero comics that dealt with the fallout of such a long-term secret being revealed and how sometimes the damage is so great, writers often use memory erasure and retcons to avoid dealing with it which is a pretty old and boring trope (It can be used well like with Trollhunters). The moment he started seeing the ugly side of superheroing he should have atleast thought about his future with her
The whole world has superheroes and she's acting like she's brand new. This Amber seems to be like somebody from OUR universe not of her own.
Mark: watches thousands slain at the hands of his father before his very eyes.
Amber: You’re so selfish, how could you lie to me
Did you not watch the show. Incase you missed the slaining was after :)
Also Amber was gaslight and lied to for almost half a year. You don’t except her to want him to be honest after she found out? She tried to leave Mark was the one that wanted to keep them together.
@@vanessaajohn she also knew the entire time he was a super hero which took everything she was mad at him for and made her look like a narcissistic bitch. At the high school when he saved everyones life she acts like she didn’t know the superhero who suddenly showed up was, but in secret knew the entire time (which she says when mark reveals invincible is him). Which also just makes her look insane. She was the one who went to mark in the first place. So uh yeah I did watch the show lol
The main problem with Amber is that she's so obviously abusive and entitled, but nobody in-universe acknowledges this (and actually blame Mark for Amber's abuse) because the writers themselves don't seem to be aware. This shatters the illusion of character agency, leaving behind a bunch of hand puppets for a writing team that's incapable of understanding basic human decency. In this way, this one awful character drags down the whole show. People hate her because she's essentially a malignant tumor on the quality of an otherwise great series.
It's like George Lucas not understanding how to romance women and the writes the terrible dialogue between Anakin and Padme in Episode 3.
@@grimgoreironhide9985 That's different, though. That scene is actually well made, even if it comes across as awkward; Anakin grew up as a slave in a world that's purely sand, so of course he hates it. Now, why would that line come out? Because right before that, Padme said: "We used to come here for school retreat. We would swim to that island every day. I love the water. We used to lie out on the sand and let the sun dry us and try to guess the names of the birds singing."
Since he's in love he tries to relate and have a conversation mentioning his own perception of sand, since is the first thing that comes out.
Maybe the writers are intentionally writing a toxic partner for mark so that he can wake up out of it and become more empowered. I hope
@@mack-attack-420with season 2 around the corner i so hope you are right. I am rewatching the show now and I just cant stand Amber.
@@carlwheezer1640yeah look, the moment-to-moment dialogue might make intellectual sense but their romance has no chemistry and Padme has zero reason to even tolerate Anakin because he is such an insufferable pest with her when she isn't giving him all her attention. The writing problems in the prequel trilogy are more foundational than just whether the dialogue makes immediate sense for a character to say.
Yeah the "twist" that Amber knew the whole time did not help her character or the story one bit
Ikr
She knew for the last 2-3 weeks out of the 3-4 months they dated. Didn’t ruin anything for me. She wasn’t wrong. He literally only asked for the truth and be made a priority. Normal things.
@@dirtybit6010 Amber is not a priority when lives are at stake
@jessica yes because asking your superhero boyfriend to prioritize your needs over saving innocent lives is totally reasonable
@Jessica W ah yes telling your secret identity to a person that was your partner for 5 month, the same thing that you didn't even tell to your best friend who knew you for a longer time totally normal thing to say :)
Amber: why didn't u trust me (blackmails a bully)
Instead of having Amber not know (since the focus of the show is, in a reductionist sense, subverting expectations of superhero stories) that Mark is Invincible, the reason and dialog of her anger should be changed to *match* her knowledge that Mark is Invincible.
If the writers wanted to be really clever with it, Amber's writing could change based on when she figures out his identity, i.e is angry b/c he's absent to being angry that he's lying.
This way it fixes the cognitive dissonance, keeps the story fresh, and makes us more sympathetic to Amber.
Truth be told I don't think Amber forgiving Mark should ever have happened, even in my preferred rewrite. Why bother keeping her as a romantic partner when Eve and Mark are obviously going to get together? Just seems like she's become a tool for drama rather than an actual character (ironically defeating the purpose of her character lmao)
Jesus Christ you're a character genius.
@@naseerwaite333 not really lol i just expanded on what was in the video
I agree! Or just clear out WHEN she realised this! Maybe she connected the dots weeks after the upstate u incident, so everything flows and the character is consistent
Well ya that why she mad cause he lied about going to look for the cops, why he left ...etc she might of not spelled it out but that's pretty much what happen
@@legoEndeavourStudios naw I think she figured it out before then probably figured it when he left to fight Allen
I am starting to see why so many alternate timelines of Mark turned evil.
Also, it’s kinda her fault that Williams hot boyfriend got tragically turned into a cyborg. If she wasn’t throwing a tantrum back at the campus, Mark could have been much quicker in helping William and prevent the worst from happening.
I agree through I think I was still shitty on mark part to not check on Williams friend
@@pugman9672
I mean your right, but I understand that’s it’s kinda hard to make the most rational decisions minutes after getting into a big fight with your partner.
@@derfuchs3296 I personally don't agree with that claim. Lets ignore the fact that she knew he was invincible for a sec, and realize that mark completely ignored rick going missing and was willing to hang up on William even when he was in clear danger on the phone (before of course seeing the reanimen during the call) to pursue Amber. That's irresponsible especially considering he should've known that there could've been more reanimen showing up.
That is still mostly on mark
I disagree. The only one to blame for the boyfriend being turned into a cyborg is the crazy scientist. If she threw a fit so that he would be turned it would've been her fault, but she didn't know nor plan for it. It was just a side effect.
If amber went to mark as just a friend instead of kissing him and basically asking to start over it wouldn’t be as bad
or...Mark accepting that she doesn't love him as he though and breaks up with her, but saying that they can be just friends
Honestly mark should have not agreed to start over, it would be better if he said they should just be friends.
I agree with all of you Mark should stand his ground more and make his a decision best for him
PLS, y'all just wanted something to happen with eve & mark and were already mentally prepared to throw anything at amber to pull her out of the equation.
I mean, how is wanting to start over bad?
She can probably improve there relationship or even have a better send off for it.
Hey amber here’s a joke: a secret identity
Amber: I don’t get it
Exactly
Short answer: She believes saving millions of innocent people is less important than pouring soup.
It’s so frustrating because I really liked Amber up to this point. She didn’t take anyone’s bullshit and her frustration at the time was completely justified. I still think that her frustration is somewhat understandable because realistically not everyone could handle being in a relationship with a superhero, but her treatment of Mark was still way over the line given that he was obviously going through a lot to try and save humanity. I’m hoping that there’s some growth with this frustration in the next season where she grows to at least understand that Mark was just trying to do his best.
Because she's a horribly written character. Like uwu if you weren't so busy saving the city, you could help me pour soup.
yep
He hasnt saved a city but ok
@@dwayneadamsii4602 So him helping stop a complete alien invasion doesn't count as saving a city? Or getting his dad to leave earth?
@@dwayneadamsii4602 what about the meteorite? It wasn't the size of Texas but I bet he saved many lives
@@dwayneadamsii4602 wrong but okay
Doesn’t anyone else think her charity work is an excuse to feel better about herself? I got that feeling when Mark told her about his alter ego.
I thought the same thing almost verbatim, it fits the psyche profile perfectly, good to know I'm not alone on it either :D.
I really thought that, too. Like she gets off on being the savior and basking in the adulation of the lower people she's helping.
I hope this is the direction they want to go into. Im okay with her being a flawed character. flaws give depth.
I just hope thats the case and not the writers essentially confusing depth with making a mary sue. Wich is also another possibility. If the show doesnt aknowledge her faults in the next season i do think they are trying to make her a Mary Sue.
Yeah, at some point, she is becoming upset that her firefighter BF doesn't have time to do charity stuff.
Like, it's important to her and socially good, but like, it's his life.
@@stormisuedonym4599 well, she is an sjw. They all have a selfish savior complex.
I actually really like the change you proposed here. Not only would it make her anger make much more sense, but it plays heavily into a big theme of the show and one of Omni-Man's main arguments: in the grand scheme of things, Amber and Mark's relationship doesn't matter. It would really put a spin on how we view Mark as a result because now him guiding her along is somewhat akin to Nolan's situation with Debbie. It really would make us question whether or not he really SHOULD be trying to carry on the relationship. At least this is my personal opinion.
I agree. I think the point the writers were trying to make was that if Mark was serious enough about Amber to talk about going to college together, then she deserved to know the truth. Sure, don't immediately tell a new girlfriend that you're a superhero, but you've gotta figure it out quick if you're serious about her, because a relationship can't survive without her knowing the truth. Mark's pathetic excuses were an insult to Amber's intelligence, and the lies to hide his identity put a strain on their relationship. If he wasn't confident in telling her the truth by the time he was making plans for college with her, then he shouldn't have been stringing her along in a relationship. It really would have worked better if they'd gone with the scenario proposed here, if she hadn't known but still been angry because instead of trusting her with the truth, he just kept stringing her along with lies and expecting her to be too stupid to figure it out. Or alternatively, change the post-college-fight scene to be Amber confronting Mark in that moment when he lies again, telling him that she knows that he's Invincible, and she's angry at him for continuing to lie about it when he's making long term plans with her, because by that point he should trust her enough to tell her.
At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter. Amber is a foot note in the overall story. All the show did was shorten her already brief time in the run.
@Master Derin I’m being literal. She really is a footnote in the entire series. She doesn’t matter in the slightest.
I mean where will she be in 500 hundred years? Think Brandon think.
@@donnyd9268 now you’re thinking like a viltrimite
@@donnyd9268 I mean, she is irrelevant even before a third of the story.
I sorta liked that tbh, some relations are nice, but they end and you both move on, wishing the best for each other
She’s not going to be there in 500 years
"Why did people start to dislike Amber?"
Me: Because Eve is queen
eve is goated
Eve is waifu material
I see you are a man of culture
Lmao the whole time i was waiting for them to broke up so he can be with Queen Eve, the last episode disappointed me lol
Because in the comics Mark ends up with Eve and they have a kid.
What annoys me is the fact that he almost died and she had no sympathy for it. You could argue she had no clue at that time, but assuming she "already knew" that he was superhero, let alone invincible, it only makes all of this look worse.
I kinda hate Marks friend after he was defending amber and blaming mark when the last big fight was casued because Mark ''ran away'' to save HIM. He went away, changed into his superhero gear to save HIM.
your changes are good but she is still a bad person for knowing mark's secret and putting him on blast
Facts
She didn't know which superhero he was specifically. She even asked William who that was; the tone she said it in was even sincere. Though it could be that she had moments before been told by Mark that he wants to get serious by going to college together(a step towards permanence). Yet he still won't tell her what she already knows. Proving he's just saying what's necessary in the moment to keep her around. Also I see many of y'all don't flip out over the two faced thing Eve said to Mark about what she told Amber about his circumstance after ep 5(Telling her Mark loves her in a cryptic and non specific message. Then when she speaks with Mark tells him she told Amber he got hit by a bus; quite a specific detail.) Also yes I know what'll happen regardless of how the rest of this dynamic is drawn out into its conclusion.
@@jonathanjohnson6727 it's crazy how wrong you are
@@garrisonweekes8808 its crazy how y'all don't look at all the finer details that factor into what happens and why. Ignoring other characters misgivings, flaws along the way; including William giving his identity out at every turn, or failing to apply and accept William and Eve stance towards Marks decisions regarding Amber. Plus Amber parallels Debbie's situation and actions. The only differences are its a teenager relationship vs. marriage with varying scope for what truth is hidden coming from Mark and Nolan. One doesn't let his girlfriend in on what his life entails; yet keeping his truth hidden from her won't matter either way if a villain were to find out. As they always attack those close to them. Whether those loved ones know or not. While the other doesn't let his wife know whats really in store or how he actually views her importance(initially...)
I need to forget the break up scene and replace it with my own head cannon to even stand Amber.
I mean really she should be grateful that Mark has to balance being a superhero, going to school, and still make time to be with her.
I sure as hell would
I think In the Invincible comics she was!!!!
be grateful????? lol no one deserves that. it was Mark’s lack of effort not the fact that he was a superhero. he never really tried.
@Matt Lemley that’s a lot of frustration over a cartoon character LOL it’s not that deep
@Matt Lemley when did i like my own comment??? i’m just saying all this seems a bit much. i just don’t understand why amber is receiving so much hate when omni man isn’t.
It's not just Amber imo. It seemed like all of his friends knowing he's been getting decimated told him he's a piece of trash when they broke up. It didn't seem practical for Eve to tell him off given what her character arc was, his best friend saw him getting folded on his behalf and still gave him a talking to. It's almost like they disproved their own point in the middle of the story board and kept going.
Getting folded 😂😂😂
Eh, given the context it makes perfect sense. Especially Eve, as she warned him multiple times.
Does it matter? Mark and Eve end up together and have a kid. In the end he gets with the right one.
Well I think one issue with her character is that they may be overselling her being a good person a tad too much.
Yeah, she's down right narcissistic
@@wolfiewoo3371 I'd go a step further and suggest she might actually be sociopathic.
I mean look at her track record. Manipulation, jealousy dating, immediate rebound guys after breaking up with Mark, blackmail, the "I know" scene which recontextualizes everything to mean she was needlessly and selfishly hounding Mark and emotionally manipulating him when she knew he was saving lives. I'm about 1 step away from just labelling her evil quite frankly.
Amber working at a homeless shelter, and going over seas to build houses is just too much for me.
Why
@@zan31669 she works at a homeless shelter in America. So she went to a different country to build homes for homeless people.
@@zan31669 nah it more because she brags about it
@@KyokujiFGC she does have intentional flaws lol. they're the reason why we shouldn't like her
@@tomgachagan1347 The show treats her as if she's right all the time, however. So if they *are* intentional flaws, they're implemented in a rather obtuse way
People mad at mark for lying but defending amber for... literally lying. "You took off, you left us here with that thing!" no that is not true, and you know for a fact that it isn't true.
Have you ever thought she wasn't lying? As in, if she knew he was Invincible she would be mad because he didn't get them out of there and instead faced the cyborg. Which is worse.
@@Saintwolvinn second one. He was in public lol. Everyone Ran away but the campus had cameras and there where probably news helicopters
@@Saintwolvinn So, Mark was supposed to prioritize removing the two people he knew and leaving everyone else exposed to the rampaging killer robot? Nah. He directly confronted the threat and gave people the chance to escape with their lives.
She was trying to get him to tell the truth.
@@benji777tm that is petty and toxic as fuck tho. Don't manipulate when it is so much easier to just be straight. Honestly charecter inconsistent too. She was always a straight shooter tell then.
Id like to point people to a comic known as irredeemable.
In Irredeemable, when the supermax expy revealed to his girlfriend he was a superhero, she didnt just break up with him' *she told everyone they worked with, and they put it on the air.*
But yea no Mark should've told her day 1, teenagers ain't petty at all
Exactly.Fuck anyone saying Mark should have just told Amber about his identity immediately,shit's supposed to be secret for a reason.
Show tend to only show the "if you only tell him/her, all would be good" perspective. Rarely they show why you SHOULDN'T tell people.