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I Stuffed An RTX 3080 Inside An eGPU!!
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- How does an RTX 3080 perform inside an eGPU connected to a high-end laptop? External GPU's are a tempting option for laptop gamers, but there is a point where it's not worth it.
Hardware used -
Laptop: Gigabyte Aero 15 OLED WB
GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Gaming
eGPU: Asus XG Station Pro
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00:00 - Intro
00:45 - Hardware used
01:58 - Testing parameters
03:03 - Call of Duty: Black Ops - Cold War
04:13 - DOOM Eternal
04:46 - The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
05:16 - Control
05:49 - Cyberpunk 2077
06:30 - Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020)
07:20 - Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2
07:45 - Horizon Zero Dawn
08:16 - Assassin's Creed Valhalla
09:06 - Hitman 3
10:01 - Call of Duty: Warzone
10:22 - Conclusion
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Two things:
(1) I saw in a previous video you used a super long TB3 cable. That kills performance thanks to latency and signal loss.
(2) Please test Radeon vs Nvidia on an eGPU. I'd like to see which manufacturer's video cards work better
@@pcworld Any update on the Radeon test?
Finally this video! Thanks for making it. I'm curious, if it were to be a lower resolution; let's say 1080p or 1440p resolution at max, the frame rate of the 3080 should in theory be a significant boost in comparison of the 2070 Max q, or it would give the same performance?
The new Asus Flow looks to be the best way to use external GPU's soo it would certainly be interesting!
Thanks so much for posting this. My wife doesn't like to use a desktop system but would like to game more when she has time, so I got her an Aorus 3080 Gaming Box. Sadly, it ended up being defective and wouldn't connect properly with her laptop (I spent a few days doing everything from updating all of the firmware, BIOS, doing clean driver installs, etc. to no avail). It actually did work for a few moments but only for 10 minutes or so before finally dying altogether (would no longer power on). It's just nice to see what it might have looked like with those games, especially The Witcher 3 (she wanted to play it on her laptop). Also sad to hear that you had to go through a bunch of troubleshooting as well. Perhaps gaming on her laptop isn't in the cards. At least until I get her a new one that is more gaming focused, or there are actually easy to use plug and play options for eGPUs that won't require so much troubleshooting.
For DOOM Eternal, it's important to note that the game uses about 9GB of VRAM when set to Ultra Nightmare at 4K (Steve from Hardware Unboxed has found this in his testing), so you get a massive performance hit with 8GB cards. If you lower the textures to Ultra, the VRAM usage goes down to 7GB and the performance gap closes considerably. I would expect the 2070 mobile and 3080 on laptop screen to be near identical in this scenario.
I can get well over 90 on CP2077 with a eGPU man. You really need to play with your settings there on the machine.
I've had my 3080 sitting on my desk for the past 2 weeks. Looking forward to putting it together, with many other goodies tonight! Can't wait!
Have fun!
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thanks for the effort man, Wish you the best!. got my subs.
Anyone have any thoughts on how well this would work on a microtower pc? I enjoy the idea of being able to upgrade gpu's. should I just bite the bullet and rebuild half of my system (case, power supply, cooling, and gpu) or opt out for this as space is not an issue for me.
liked your benchmark , Well done
I was thinking. I think I read thunderbolt 3 was limited to 4 lanes pcie to the cpu, would that be similar to running the gpu in the desktop in 4x mode?
Wow! This is the knowledge I was looking for. Many thanks for this video. 💪 Could you do such a test with Blender? 2.9 and 3.0(+) ?
Have you tryed to monitor processor load during these tests?
What the rpm and fan speed percentage while using the internal display thanks
Does that laptop have a thunderbolt 3 x2 or an x4 port? If it's x2 than I'd like to see these same tests on an x4 port.
Recommending an eGPU or not comes down to use case. For instance, I have a gaming rig for my desktop and a gaming rig for my TV. I have no need for an eGPU _except_ that I do. I don't yet have a Steam Deck, and sometimes I like to play games on my Surface Pro 8. This devices has a 2880x1920 display, and I'd like to be able to turn up settings. Even if the games are low-end, the Intel Integrated GPU sucks. Using something like an eGPU when I'm gaming a bit in bed is an excellent addition. I don't need a 3080, my old 1080 Ti (or any other older GPU) is going to be plenty for the types of games I'm running. Best thing is I can still use the built-in display with touch! That's a great solution to my problem!
Thanks for the good work. Please all bear in mind that this laptop has a Comet Lake-H CPU and hence has no in-CPU Thunderbolt implementation so it is prone to severely bottlenecking an expensive eGPU like it does here. This is due to the data flow going through the motherboard chipset first and thus having to compete with other things like storage or wifi. Ice Lake-U processors however have an embedded Thunderbolt controller, which means the eGPU is pretty much directly connected to CPU PCI Express lanes. This translates to roughly 50% better performance according to various tests.
Let's hope that moving forward Intel will only release such mobile CPUs so we get better graphics upgrade paths from our laptops!
So my laptop with an I7-8750H should get decent performance compared to his ? I've been thinking about adding an egpu to extend the life of my gaming laptop because it only has a gtx1070.
@@SlowHippie Your CPU is similar to his in that it doesn't have an integrated Thunderbolt controller. Instead you've got a discrete TB controller and with that comes extra latency which isn't ideal. It's a tough one, but if I were you I'd keep using the decent GTX 1070 until I can afford a new laptop or desktop, especially if you consider 1080p to be good enough. If your plan is to play non-competitive games at 1440p or 4k on a external monitor, then it could make sense in your situation to get a TB eGPU since connection latency is less of an issue at higher resolutions. But personally, TB eGPU enclosures being pricey, I'd go that route only if I had the right CPU, no decent dGPU in the laptop, and a spare but still capable GPU from an old desktop.
@@AdriMul so which cpu's are best for eGPU and how high is the real performance loss with a 3080?
@@iDoe84 the new Tiger Lake. Preferably the upcoming 6 or 8 core Tiger Lake chips, but the 4 core h series would be okay.
@@myyoutubename152 lets wait and see on 15-25W and 35-45W versions.
Don't you think it would be awesome if ASUS updated this eGPU enclosure to work with the new connector they used in ROG X13 Flow. You could use a full desktop GPU at home and carry mobile GPU box while travelling.
@PCWorld. That laptop has thunderbolt 4 now (i got one). How much of an improvment would thunderbolt for make in this setup?
Finally the answers I'm looking for thank you!
Can you try the Egpu with the new Surface Pro 8 when it drops? Maybe have it native on the monitor and on a surface pro dock. If possible! Would be my hero.
Great video, Adam
I have the Lenovo yoga with 1255u, 12th gen. I have a pc tower, but now I'm using only my mobile setup which is yoga. So i took my rtx3070 from main pc, and put it to external gpu case, in my case this is same Asus, like in the video. I want to share some thoughts on this.
1 It works!
2 Most of the internal gpu memory now free, so i have more ram.
3 cpu runs colder, because of internal gpu now idle, so cpu can boost up a little more.
But:
1 This setup is a hustle
2 You need to dig a little bit more into settings
3 You can't utilize all the power of somehow modern GPUs
4 It's so pricey, so you'd better to just buy gaming laptop with discrete card.
In my experience:
1. I already had gpu, so for me gpu is "for free", i just need a way to use it. I bought only egpu case
2 Egpu far better than intel iris xe on 1255u paired with ddr5 4600 ram.
3 since I have not 4k monitor, performance is good indeed, for full hd, for full hd plus.
4 Diablo 2 ressurected, doom, runs pretty smooth, but not perfect.
5 i have fair amount of boost with for example adobe premiere, so it's convenient
Resume:
It works, but only if you already have a gpu. You can use some mid teer cards, and in that case it worth it. But if you have no gpu, it's better to stick with gaming laptop. Thank you for your attention. :)
Thank you for this. I have same situation here. But I don't have a GPU yet. I have a laptop with thunderbot 4 port and I want to buy a External GPU for it. My laptops GPU is only rtx 3050 ti
Would I encounter any bottleneck and TB3 latency issues if I pair my i7-8750H laptop with an RTX 3080Ti and connect it to a 2k monitor?
thank you, my cousin and i needed this
Nice vid bro, i want to connect a 3x 8 pin to a 3080 card, anyone know any solutions that supports it
I’m glad somebody was able to get one lol
Thank you for this video, I think the CPU was holding us back a bit with this set up
Would it make sense to put a 3080 inside an egpu and then connect that to let’s say a razer blade 17 with 3070 + external monitor? Like would I see better performance than just playing on the monitor alone?
Short answer - nah. The 3080's power gets cut over the bandwidth limitations of Thunderbolt. At that point you're paying for almost another blade for like 10 FPS more. Your 3070 Blade to an external monitor will be more than fine
@@ibrahimoshodi4472 even tho this was a while ago, I still appreciate the response!🤘🏾
Figured the 3070 + external monitor would be a good medium for me. (I need something for law school but also don’t feel like I’m at a point where I can build the PC I want.)
Wow having the GPU external really nerfs the performance badly. I was going to try a setup like this but won’t anymore.
Have you thought about trying an 11th-gen Intel laptop? There's been verifiable performance improvements from 10th-gen to 11th-gen eGPU performance due to multiple reasons, the two most important being that the Thunderbolt controller is located on the CPU die and that Thunderbolt 4 has higher minimum requirements.
@@pcworld sick! I appreciate it!
What was the desktop configuration?
How many watts does it draw from the wall?
Could a card with a length of 320mm fit? Talking about Gigabyte 3080 Ti Vision
Yikes, well, I guess I'm not getting an eGPU anytime soon. Maybe when Thunderbolt 5 comes out.
can you test eGPU and use of Unreal Engine 5? I have a newer Hop but want to attach an eGPU to get better viewport display and render speeds. Thx.
As most people who are getting a egpu already have non gaming laptops, can you NOT use a new gaming laptop and an older Dell xps maybe?
I'd like to see this same test again on Thunderbolt 4 later this year.
My laptop already has 3070. Can I connect another rtx card using egpu dock
I wonder if a TB3 eGPU like this one can work on a laptop with the newer TB4 port. If TB4 is backward compatible with TB3 peripherals, then it is a great news!
It is. TB4 is just a rebrand of TB3.
@@ilaysk Actually, it's more than just rebrand. While the transfer speed remains the same, TB4 now allows two 4K screen connection unlike TB3.
@@FAT8893 I am pretty sure TB3 supports at least up to two 4k monitors. But don't trust my word for it. If you happen to do the check let me know (:
Could someone please explain why the external RTX 3080 isn't performing very well?
Is it because it's using thunderbolt 3 not 4?
I'm looking to get myself set up with jewellery CAD/gaming laptop. The jewellery CAD programs aren't to taxing, only when photo rendering the finished piece.
I really want something with a built in RTX 3070 that I can upgrade in the future with an external GPU like a RTX 3080.
My quest continues :p :(
Too bad that you did not use intel 11th gen with thunderbolt integrated in the cpu and had trouble with the power supply. Maybe it could have had a better performance without these disadvantages.
Can I assuming you are using a passive TB3 cable and an HDMI 2.0 cable? I think both cables are hindering the performance. What I heard is that using an active TB3 cable and an HDMI 2.1 cable makes the eGPU's performance better. Maybe, I don't know.
Can you please try this with an Intel 11th gen Evo chip using Thunderbolt 4 interface? what I hear is that some testing of the egpu on TB4 has shown performance improvements of 10-15%.
@@pcworld I'm looking forward to buy the Hp Spectre x360 i7 11th gen LPDDR4 16GB RAM with TB4...your test will really be of great help. Thank you Adam!
Can it work with Asus VivoBook ? i5/8GB RAM/2+2GB GPU MX330 ?
Question, I have an alienware 17. i wanna do this with it but with a 1660 super, can i do it or no? and if i can what hardware do i get?
@@pcworld what is that?
Question will this work with any laptop or does the laptop have to be a specific one and do you need to buy the graphics card your self
@@pcworld oh ok thanks for helping because I wasn’t sure if I could get one for my laptop
Hey, finally a relief to find this video. I have AW51MD503AU - Alienware Area 51m R2. Right now, I have 2080 super; it has been a year since I got it. i game as well as use archi software. I am planning on getting a 38' Alienware monitor AW3821WD. For better gaming performance in 3840 x 1600 resolution, thinking about getting 3090. Will NVIDIA 3090 with RAZER CORE X CHROMA, EXTERNAL GRAPHICS ENCLOSURE do the job?
Glad ill be playing in 1080p lol
I got an ASUS ROG G752VY-DH78K I keep wanting to get an EGPU but not sure if it's worth it with a Thunderbolt 3 when new computers have Thunderbolt 4 Now
Should have tested (a) METRO EXODUS, it has native Ray Tracing, not the shoehorned RT that most games are using, and (b) tried it on LINUX, which now has better graphics performance than Windows.
Thanks APM!
damn why my laptop 2060 runs better than your 2070Max-q in cyberpunk? I cranked up the settings to high RTX and turned on DLSS also
It's a shame that there is such a performance drop using an eGPU vs a desktop. Maybe in another few years - I'd like to have a light-weight dev laptop with a somewhat portable graphics option if I wanted to play games or do some 3d modeling.
Main problem continues to he bandwidth + overheard. TB4 now has 40GBPS which is better than the 22GBPS over TB3, but on a desktop PC, that's a full 128GBPS direct connection. It ees what it ees
I got a Samsung book2 pro i7 1260p and 32GB ddr5 and Intel Arc A350m (some like a gtx1550) weights about 1.1Kg, it performs compiling code near and some times better than a my desktop machine a ryzen 5 5600X 32GB ddr4@3600mhz now im using an rx6700xt in a e-GPU(akitio node titan) and if you compare I can say that is about 20-25% difference in performance, but for me its ok now i can go to everywere with my laptop and play or work and if is necessary I can take with me the eGPU too. was a very cool idea this things (egpus)
@adam i would love to see this experiment repeated with TB4 and comparate it with TB3
@@pcworld yeah, thats what benchmarks are for lmao
TB4 is just a rebrand of TB3.
well this is kinda to be expected but still the usb c port protocol is a huge tech improvement since the micro usb (just miniaturized it).. now just to have wait for the usb c protocol to have the same or nearly the same bandwidth as the desktop pcie (3.0 or 4.0) x16 lanes...
with thunderbolt 4.0 only getting a parity update with usb 4.0 .. i don't believe in anything in that regard right now.
Except, maybe we will get a pci-e 5.0 x4 with a thunderbolt 5.0?! But first we need pci-e 5.0 in notebooks^^
Otherwise we would have to further rely on proprietary stuff.
Hopefully thunderbolt 4 will have solved those limitations. :)
Pedantic mode: *inside an eGPU enclosure
Does the egpu comes with gpu installed or empty?
They usually are just the case and you have to buy the card separately. Some ones sell you the card with the external case, but it'll surely be expensier
Can't wait to get an enclosure so I can pair an RTX 3080 Ti with a Surface Laptop Studio
Hi so bit of a technical question. I've got the Microsoft laptop studio 32gb RAM Nvidia 30:50 2tb ssd i7 11th gen & want to run a E-GPU with a NVIDIA 3080/3090 what's the best performance i can expect
@@pcworld thank you for the reply so quickly I appreciate it👍🏻
If it helps you out, I've tested Razer Core X eGPU with GTX Titan X on my i5 11th gen laptop vs. rx 5700XT AMD2600x desktop. 4K performance difference (SotTR, FC5) is the same as if both were tested on desktop PC (15-20% in favor of rx5700XT). Although if you want to push past 60FPS, laptop CPU/Thunderbolt might bottleneck and performance gap might increase.
Hello, would be interesting to see a 2022 update. 12th gen intel with integrated TB4 controller (mainstream 12700H) and Razer core x egpu (BEST EGPU ENCLOSURES - SEPTEMBER 2022 EXTERNAL GPU BUYER GUIDE). Thanks
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I tried but then I realized my Sonnet box supports 2 slot only.
I don't have anything clever or witty to say, so ummm... PAPER LAUNCH!
Great video. Woof
I suspect I would see similar results with a Radeon 6800XT connected to a Thunderbolt 3 eGPU, I guess I'll stick with the onboard mobile RTX 2070 max-q. Bummer.
Try it with Tarkov too
You could've tried 2k and 1080p too
TL;DW Gaming desktops aren't about to be obsolete anytime soon.
It seems we need a better way to get 4-8 lanes of PCIe 4.0 bandwidth to an eGPU. I love my TB3, but 4 lanes of PCIe 3.0 is clearly not enough for eGPUs. It would be interesting to artificially restrict your desktop to see if you get similar results to the laptop.
there is.. prorpietary connectors..
One of the best eGPU reviews I've seen. Thanks.
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@@pcworld Great to hear that a fix is being worked on. Thank you! Cheers.
Great video. For an encore, you should see if someone can lend you a laptop with Thunderbolt 4 to see how the framerates compare, as TB4 has apparently improved the internal bottlenecks (despite still being limited overall to 40gbps)
I'm actually seeing issues with 3080 Laptop (150 TGP) on the x8 custom connection on the Asus Flow X13. If you run an external display, it picks up a very nice bump in performance. With some games (say very light CS:GO) it's pretty huge. And 3080 Laptop is somewhere between 3060 Ti and 3070 Desktop in gaming performance. I just think x4 gen 3 aint cutting it no more.
I think one issue with using Thunderbolt 4 laptop is that means Tiger Lake UP3 vs. a 10750H part.
@@FakeGordonMahUng well done getting your hands on the ROG Flow x13
@@FakeGordonMahUng i can confirm, bought a x17 r1 and took my 3090 from desktop and pair it with my laptop with an razer x croma, the 3080 laptop is faster than the 3090 desktop using the laptop display which is 4k so i took it out of my egpu, at this point the egpu is 100% useless
One suspects elements of typical eGPU bottlenecking, but also laptop CPU bottlenecking
You tested it on the wrong laptop. Your laptop doesn't have enough pci lanes for egpu - this is why you are getting unreliable results.
Would love to see the same review but on a right laptop (with 4 pci lanes for thunderbolt or m2)
What laptops give good performance of thunderbolt egpu?
@@pcworld Actually it would be useful to make a comparison to this video whenever you make the next video with a TB4 laptop. If you follow the methodology we can all decide whether to go for eGPU with our current PC, and then upgrade our PC down the line for (much?) better performance.
Disabling the laptop GPU allocates more power to the CPU which should help achieve more frame rates. I suggest running games at 1080p or 1440p because the bottleneck is too much for 4k unless you use DLSS at low to medium settings.
I have an aero that has the 1080p screen. It has the 2080s and I was thinking about getting an eGPU because I do alot of VR and find the 2080s slightly lacking.
@Ryan my laptop already has rtx 3070. Can I connect another rtx card using an egpu dock?
@@ZeeshanKhan-jr2fg If your laptop has Thunderbolt 3 with 4 lanes of PCI-E then yes
@Ryan .. thanks for reply ... how do we install drivers in this case. Do I need to install separate drivers for both? Or a single driver will run both. Egpu card is rtx 3060.
@@ZeeshanKhan-jr2fg You will need to install seperate drivers and you may need to disable the laptop GPU because some applications use the mobile GPU by default
tbh if you have a dedicated GPU with the power of a 3070 (or 3060 nowadays) no point in an egpu.
an eGPU is for people like me, with a 13' thinkpad with no GPU at all. That way you go from potato to 60fps 1440p. huge upgeade
Can I used that for mining bitcoin ?
Good thing I stay far away from 4k
could you said "Fletcher" please?
Use a dummy hdmi as second monitor, to boost the perf
Could you explain this?
TB 4 and your low end comes up 30% minimum.
no one me for the last year and a half i love playing mincraft at 40 fps with fps
Intel just celebrated 10years of Thunderbolt. How I wish they were also announcing Thunderbolt 5 with support for PCIe 5.0. When you do get round to testing the new ASUS proprietary eGPU solution that uses PCIe 3.0x8, you’ll realise that even moving to PCIe 4.0 for Thunderbolt won’t be enough, PCIe 5.0x4 will just about provide bandwidth needed to get eGPUs to deliver 4K60p with ray tracing. Since Alder Lake supports PCIe 5.0 it should really integrate Thunderbolt 5.
Yeah. I feel like even x8 on the ROG Flow X13 is borderline.
first you need pci-e 5.0 for notebooks ..
but okay, they could announce it ..
5.0 x4 ~= 3.0 x16, what would be enough for a RTX 3090.
@@iDoe84 Alder Lake is supposed to have desktop to ultraportables covered under one micro architecture. There are SKUs with 4 Golden Cove Cores.
@@EnochGitongaKimathi lets see if that brings pci-e 5.0 to mobile.
also still problem with thunderbolt and not 5.0
Wow soo it's a much better idea to just build a computer
What complete waste of fucking money and a good gpu.
basically, u pay a 3080 price to have less then a half of a 3080 performance
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not sure why anyone would want to run with an egpu. you are paying full price for the gpu plus a few hundred on top for the egpu enclosure for what will come way too short of the gpu's full capabilities to be worth it. just built a damn desktop pc. laptops were never a great way to play aaa games anyways. for all the money spent on a laptop that can game on its own anyways, a gpu and an external gpu, someone could build a pretty beastly desktop. i just see no scenario where this is the optimal setup.
@@pcworld not worth the full cost of an additional gpu and the cost of an enclosure on top of that in my opinion, but money is tighter for me than some people, so I understand if I view value differently than others.
I still would use eGPU anyway. I'm not lugging around a heavy gaming laptop and I always travel a lot, so a desktop PC is out of the equation and I want a light laptop. So having an eGPU where you can plug an ultra-portable laptop when needed is a big win for me because of flexibility.
@Livia Nunes Exactly. When I saw the AKiTiO Node Pro/Titan eGPU with a retractable handle, I immediately know that I got to own one.