Perk Tier List 2022 [Killing Floor 2]
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STANDING BY TO DRINK SURVIVALIST TEARS. In all seriousness though, make your own tier list here:
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It's a shame, they could have made the martial artists feel surgical and calculated like the kf1 berserker instead of a class that I think is antithetical to kf's specialization nature.
2:43 Berserker Rage now immobilizes ZEDs instead of causing them to flee. One of the good changes they made before over-nerfing the class.
zerk needed nerf lol, back then half the team always was zerks, and zerks could easily do entire game by their on on hell on earth
@@peterpanda4296 "zerk needed nerf lol"
I agree, but I do think it was an over-nerf. Parry was super OP and I agree with changing it. I think the Skirmisher skill and 'zerker's passive resistance were fine before nerfs.
I’d take the Zerk pre nerf over that change tbh. HoE is not even viable without a dedicated medic constantly healing you. Dreadnaught is a staple now which is lame because the extra movement speed was a lot of fun. Something I think that class should just passively have.
@@JeusVox "HoE is not even viable without a dedicated medic constantly healing you."
Do people still play medic on HoE with the recent nerfs to both of its level 5 skills?
@@synchronium24 I’m a console player so we haven’t received those nerfs yet. I’m assuming yes as long as you still receive the healing from healing other players which triggers the buffs. It’s still probably the best class even after that nerf.
I don't care about the list, I'm just glad you're talking about kf2 again. Much love ❤️❤️. Watch you since pd2 days and still not regret till this day.
Dude same, theres multiple new weapons and maps and Im lost without his guidance 😅
I don’t care about this comment I’m just glad it exists 😍
Medic is definitely the best perk hands down. Buy the assault rifle and the incision and you have trash clear, big zed clear, and boss dps. Plus medic has massive move speed so you outrun everything, you get increased weapon damage, and you can non stop heal yourself and teammates. I think everyone forgets that KF2 has 100% hip fire accuracy, so no need to ADS with any gun, including incision.
Wtf are you talking about kf2 has no 100% hip fire accuracy?
Just wanted to point out that the 2021 Xmas update switched controller aim assist/lock-on from aiming to ZED chests to aiming to ZED heads. I played with it off before but it's like playing GTA with how aggressive the lock-on is. Makes every perk, but precision perks, Sharp especially, much easier to play. If you're on console, Sharp is EASY S-Tier perk now, when it used to be one of the least played perks on console, now it's easy mode, even in a chaos pub.
It was always S tier even on console.its just now that people who want to cheat the game can use it too. Nobody thats actually good uses aim assist. Especially because the head hitboxes are already huge and act like a magnet. Like what else do you need?An auto compelete wave button?
@@leonwagner2198 I agree that Sharp has always been good, even on console, but aim is only one aspect of what makes a good player. Positioning and teamwork will always be important in Killing Floor. Plus, it's a pure co-op game, (I mean vs does exist but we both know NO ONE plays it.), so what if someone is having the game essentially aim for them? It just means random pubs will be less horrendous to play in. Not to mention the boost to accessibility for anyone who simply does not have the means to aim well, be it through age or some sort of disability.
No need to belittle people for using a feature of the games controls. So maybe get off your high horse there buddy?
Thank you for your well thought out answer.your point about positioning is very true. Even with auto aim most new people would have a hard time on Hell on earth for example. Personally i think aiming is still one of the most satisfying things in kf2 and i wouldnt want to throw it out the window.Especially since its already very „generous“both on pc and console.But like you said its coop so its not that bad.If people can enjoy the game more now thats great for them. Have a good one!
The auto aim assist is super beneficial and can be a bit simple but doesn’t make it any easier. And it really depends on where your hip fire hitbox is pointing because if it’s anywhere below the neck of a zed well then you’ll shoot it’s body but if your hit box is pointing at the head you’ll lock onto the head.
If you’re running precision perks just hipfire at the respective ranges for the gun you’re using. Aiming is bad in general unless you got a scope or your perk has recoil control. Hipfire is pretty effective in this game tho because you aren’t slowed by ADS penalties.
I think field medic is S tier, field medic can clutch up when everyone is dead and the movement is amazing
I used to watch your perk guides years ago when I first got into Kf2. I took a 2 year break or so and just got back into a few days ago so it feels like a huge coincidence that you've just made a video on it after some inactivity. Much love, I really enjoy your videos
For me, survivalist isn't a perk you use when playing with others. It isn't a team oriented perk. For me it feel like it was designed as a perk you use when playing solo. It fills every role without leaning to hard in one direction. Along with that, I believe it's a good introduction perk for new players cause it benefits from all weapon types. Hands down I believe it to be the best perk to use solo. Now does it issues? Yes, the skills that can be chosen need to be reworked, cause most of them just kinda suck. Like melee expert is neat, but the medic training is better. Spontaneous zed-plosion is a better option then make things go boom since it is always applicable compared to lower explosive resistance.
as someone who thinks survivalist is the best, i disagree that zed-plosion is the better option. sometimes having that explosive increase is useful with guns like seal squeal and HRG tommy. the whole problem with survivalist streamlines survivalist players to use high DPS crowdpleasers, at least i do. maybe survivalist will get a rework on the perks, we'll just have to see whats up with season 2
They can cause Zed splosions very often which is very useful, also they can use healing grenades making them a solid off medic. Also, depending on what classes the team has, the survivalist can build its perks to meet the needs the team is lacking.
I use the survivalist as a beta version of the medic. I love being a medic and keeping the team alive but the gun play can get so repetitive and stale.
So I put on the medic buff as survivalist and use any medic gun and regular gun I feel like that day. I know it’s not the most viable perk just a fun one to use more of the games weapons with
I just came back from a 2year+ break from the game and berserker just doesnt feel the same anymore, a good sniper is nuts thou
I’m glad to see you upload videos again I have missed your content man hope you’re doing all right
I wish survivalist was a customisable perk where u choose what stats u want then get like, 3 perks from other classes.
Customisation is fun.
that would make survivalist absurdly op.
The "pick one of two skills per 5 levels" system doesn't work well for survivalist. Barely any options for a "Build-a-class" class. Maybe it could be a bit more viable if there were more options to choose from. What if survivalist got 4 skills per every 5 levels and you could pick two? I really wish you could pick which grenade you get as survivalist separate from its skills.
I agree on Survivalist, and this is from someone that uses them a lot. They’re meant to either fill vital gaps in team compensation or be a tanky emergency medic for a solid team. Unfortunately, this means Survivalists are inherently moderate in strength to make up for the fact they have a lot of flexibility.
One thing is for sure though, they have the most fun loadout combinations thanks to their skill tree. They’re also really hard to kill no matter what they choose to bring.
As someone who dedicated a lot of hours into finding good builds and mastering survivalist I would argue that he isnt the weakest perk. Surely he wont ever be as effective as some dedicated perks but with right knowledge, skills setup and positioning he is the force to reckoned with. Although I can argee that majority of survivalist players play like "random bs goes brrr" which would justify its placement.
but what is the peak surv (;
you are the peak, the 10
Surv has heavy armor from level 0 and makes it the best starting perk in the game at 0. You can literally survive hoe solo
Would you mind sharing your survivalist builds? I'm learning to play survivalist at the moment and really struggling with killing things.
field medic is my absolute favorite class i get to be helpful by keeping my friends alive aswell as shooting fools always big fan of high action supports
Always glad to see you come back, you make great content man.
Wish you all the best with everything that might be going on and i hope that content spark will stay.
Nobody wants to push themselves to do something they don't enjoy doing. (Might be talking absolute shit here that you can't relate to, but I know alot of content creators struggle with that)
IM GLAD YOURE UPLOADING AGAIN. MADE MY DAY
Honestly love Survivalist, i play as big zed killer/stunner/boss melter. I see people taking about how they'd rework him and personally i think the tier two is fine. Id change left to stronger healing aswell as bigger mags and right to the same as is, just more melee damage to make it worth choosing over left. Maybe add explosion damage to make things go boom because zed-plosion is just so good
Sur is my fav perk and i'll clear my point rn. First at all, you can carry any type of gun but the most OP is you can have that's Frost Fang or Hemoclobber for extra speed and freeze big zed or healing your teammate, but the most thing about is that you can parry FP that coming. Secondly, Sur is better clown control than Firebug, you have HRG Arc Generator or Freezethrower, both great with stun skill. and the last, if you don't have big zed killer that you can do it by yourself no matter what coming, Fp? Only need 3shots for head with Rail Gun +1 and only 2 for SC.
Anyway you want to pick fast reload for Sup, ss skill. On my perspective, Sur is the guy can handle any situation that's coming on him. The Chad Sur will make your game more ez than a crazy head firebug, a ss that's don't know how to aim for the head, a Zerk that always need healing.
Big tips for anyone want to enjoy the perk that's don't use Commando, swat loadout for him because you don't have any recoil reduce. My skill is RRLLR for most of the time and yes I'll switch middle skill when the game at nearly ending wave.
Love your kf2 content. Please keep going with your amazing work ✊
Maybe survivalist should have three perk skill lines. To help tune it in to a couple perks.
I personally run Survivalist with RPG & Whatever the Ice ShotgunAxe is called with extra weight for full upgrades. Scrake murderer and flesh pound stopper & solo trash cleaner. Maybe it's just the specific weapons that make it very good since the shotgun gives 75% melee damage + the high mobility and attack speed, but I haven't used much else with it. Always topping out in the damage and big baddies department.
It all depends on your play style and every perk has it's place. For example Commando in solo is IMO tier B at best due to limited capability to handle big game. However the same Commando will synergize extremely well with decent Sharpshooter - Commando will provide room for Sharpshooter, while Sharpshooter will handle Scrakes and Fleshpounds, so perk flaws are nullified. Also frequent zed time + zed time extention works like a charm.
About Survivalist... Again - it all depends. Survivalist was the first class, with which I was capable to consistently beat solo HoE. High tankines, decent damage output, versatility and healing capabilites - sounds like fun.
IMO perk list should be split in two at least - one for solo play, one for team play.
Its very nice to see a kf2 video after a year gap ^^
Do you have a review of the incendiary rifle and the DLC flare gun on firebug? Im using a flamethrower incendiary rifle combo
Survivalist needs it's level 5 perk to be 'faster reloads' or '50% larger mags' I think it would be way more compelling of a choice. idk I think it earns C tier, it's not the best and can be filled by a better perk but you can still win games on 6p HoE with survivalists
Yeah agree you cant really Use half of the weapons as this Perk all Swat and Commando weapons need alot of ammo / bigger mag
Survivalist is my favorite perk since it combines a lot of great skills from other perks, allows me to run fast while using melee weapons (great when situations get sticky), global damage resistance, heavy armor, several neat survivalist weapons, ability to stun any zed during zed time and the ability to use most weapons effectively, including fast reload with multiple perk weapons (depending on what weapons I use, I just switch which reload perk I use). The 10% damage loss is rarely an issue as I kill zeds quickly anyway. The only downside is the lack of headshot damage with pistols and recoil from rifles, but that's usually doable. The 20 carry weight instead of 15 also allows me to carry a primary weapon and another weapon such as a medic gun to heal teammates with. Not as effective as a medic of course, but the new medic missile for example packs quite the punch and heals the team almost fully with one attack.
It's an acquired taste I suppose. Didn't care for the survivalist class myself either, but now it's great.
what do you use for your ingame crosshair/reticle?
He returns, a blessing, truly.
I feel like Survivalist is cool thanks to melee expert working with frost fang and blast brawlers. But aside some niche loadouts, yeah, it's a bit underwhelming. I still like playing survivalist for the sheer pleasure to beat the game with an underdog perk! :)
Easily the most underestimated perk.
survivalist kinda goated though with m4+rpg or the axe shotgun/arc generator
as a main survivalist I'm so happy to be consider the black sheep
I really appreciate knowing he acknowledges medic being argued for essential, with that in mind here’s my reasoning as to why I think it should be placed in that ranking.
I do admit that due to the guns, most perks do have healing abilities, especially if someone plays a survivalist with healing grenades, but with that in mind I don’t think it’s 100% accurate to make that a point against it because it can’t fully compare to the healing a medic does and will do. Not only do medics heal for a lot more but with the addition of buffs and the skill that heals medic when they heal teammates, it gives them more and more reason to heal and increased survivability for both medics and everyone they heal.
While I admit this last point is speculation and I don’t doubt that someone who makes a build utilizing medic weapons with their non medic perks would be a good medic for their teammates, just from personal experience of playing with people with non-medic perks, including when there’s no medic, people with perks such as support will usually prioritize killing zeds over chasing down their low health teammates to heal them, something a medic would always be doing. Given I find no fault in it, if anything it makes my job as a medic much easier when a perk built to take down scrakes and fleshpounds with ease are doing that instead of trying to heal people and leaving them to chase perks less equipped to deal with them. But just to add to my point, I don’t fully discredit the fact that other perks are able to heal but just because they can doesn’t mean they will
Firebug with Incendiary M16 and Helios Rifle feels more like commando than commando
Helios Rifle kills big zeds no problem and heatwave can push back raging fleshpound
Commando has to aim for the head while dealing with Fn Fal's sporadic recoil
This.
Commando really got shafted with minigun since it's so bad for the weight.
But 401 is a great trash killer and FAL kills a FP faster then a Helios. You need headshots with FB, too, if you want to kill a FP.
Heat Wave is very good, but not nearly as good as Zed time extensions.
@@zakillah9702 Kinda pointless to compare medic weapon with firebug, even SWAT can't outkill fire in terms of horde cleaning.
Always optimal to go for headshot, and Helios has way less recoil and 40 rounds magzine by default, not to mention fleshpound is weak to microwave damage.
Fn fal is satisfying when successfully doing takedown but recoil is tough to tame, also 20 rounds by default definitely raises the difficulty.
Heatwave is more of comparison with tenacious in the case of surviving. If you ask me I want skills that prevent me from getting hit.
I am happy to see teammate extending zedtime as firebug/SWAT. But in normal pub games? I much prefer perks that are self-sufficient and have weapons that perform consistantly.
Conclusion: minigun sucks
@@yunxuanxu9989
The 401 is a Commando weapon, too.
FAL does rifle damage, does 75% vs FPs. Helios does 80% vs FPs, big deal. You are suppsed to take high cap mags, which gives a 30 round mag.
I prefer to play as a team. Zed time extensions are the most powerful team utility by a landslide.
Commando can easily hold a spot all on its own.
Yes, Minigun sucks.
@@zakillah9702 Indeed, and HMTech weapons trade damage for extra utility.
Man I was wondering when you would be posting a new video about Killing Floor 2, speaking of games you haven't made videos for, is it possible you could do more weapon guides for Payday 2?
had to sub to a fellow Richard,
came from poothfunders vid! 😎
I agree with medic not being S-Tier in US lobbies.
On EU servers however not having a compenent medic is usually a teamwipe (at least on HoE)^^
Not for nothing, on HOE, I’m pretty sure most squads would take a medic as their 6th over a commando. Just my opinion. Best grenades, adds go to everyone very fast, can self heal so quickly, and yeah, I’d say it’s easily the best class in the game.
I love support, but these days ppls dont even take ammo/armor frome me :D thats kinda sad
Best loadout for gunslinger atm in your opinion?
As a firebug main, I prefer Dragonsbreath + Microwave gun build. Dragonsbreath has tremendous ground fire power, almost like a molotov thrower. It also gives you better range, oneshots sirens,husks,gorefasts and gorefiends at medium/close range, and can output massive damage during zed time thanks to pyromaniac ability.
The Microwave gun is the best crowd control weapon in the game in my opinion. It can save a surrounded teammate, block a doorway with stunned zed, delay and knock back fleshpounds, stun scrakes, disrupt attacks of edars, sirens, husks and bloats. Microwave gun shreds through groups of quarterpounds. It's good on some bosses too. Hans hates microwave groundfire, and will stumble all the time. King Fleshpound can never reach you even in raged state as long as you have ammo. You can save yourself and teammates from Matriarch's grasp by pushing her away. There are so many things you can do with the microwave gun! Microwave gun is not good for every boss though. Actually for most bosses you'd be better off with helios + husk cannon (flamethrower for Abomination), except King Fleshpound, and maybe matriarch if you don't have a strong team.
I do agree that firebug makes life much harder for precision perks, and a good firebug needs trigger discipline. Firebug's is most compatible with Demo, but also works well with Medic and Support.
Helios and thermite? I can carry both?🤔🤔🤔
@@hakeemshabazz3207 Sorry was mean to say Husk Cannon
Thx just got back in the game
I still remember when Medic is the original Survivalist.
I would hold on medic pistol because the smg is bad, and get medic rifle when I get the chance.
DBS is a must, then either desert eagle or katana.
Funny thing is, medic don't have any drawback if you use another perk weapon since they don't have any offensive advantages.
Damage buff is your only offensive advantage
@@Re3Ns And that is from perk effect. Medic is the only class without passive damage increase, but it easily make up for it by having the one of the best defensive abilities.
Idk, maybe the smg got buffed since you last played. I definitely grab the smg as soon as possible.
@@hakeemshabazz3207 Yeah, I know.
Back then, the only good weapons medic had are the pistol and the rifle.
If I had to make a tier list, it’d be
S - Medic, Gun Slinger
A - Support, Demolition, Swat, Survivalist
B - Commando, Firebug, Sharpshooter
C - Berserker
I used to be a Berserker main and once thought it was the best class with medic, but my list is based on HOE.
I'm still annoyed they decided to nerf Berzerker's durability, if I was to be facetious I'd say people got upset Zerks were always the last one standing. I'll never forgive tripwire for scrapping the Martial Artist perk in exchange for survivalist. It would have been amazing to have a DPS vs Tank dynamic between the two.
I'll be honest as a berserker main I'm usually the first to die because I'm tanking the boss lol. The berserker perk just seems impossible to use past hard difficulty unless you're level 25 personally.
Well all my stuff has reseted so this is helpful
What does prestige do besides giving you skins?
You get dosh, but the main reason is just having the shiny icon
@@Unorthodox2049 *Vosh (for opening crates)
Dosh is in game for weapons/ammo/armor.
You get about 4 golden dosh crates too, its only worth it if you're willing to put the time in for bullshit or actually main a class and want all the red prestige weapons
You're trying to be optimistic, but the reality of KF2 is pretty straightforward. Perks with movement speed and damage/utility are far better than those that lack it. I judge every perk off of suicidal and HoE. Gunslinger is the strongest perk in the game, and it's really ot close. Before zerker got eviscerated, it was a debate between them. There's just no contest on the top 3 perks though. Gunslinger, medic, sharpshooter in that order.
The middle 3 I'd say are commando, support, zerker. Zed time perks are crazy, and zerker's zed time was changed so enemies are stunned instead of fleeing. Free ammo is incredible for the team economy.
The last 3 are firebug, demo, swat. Firebug is probably my favorite perk, but most people that play it are terrible. It can be right at or above commando imo. Demo is just screen vomit, and swat is trying to be a commando-zerker hybrid.
Survivalist has no identity. Easily worst perk ever, period.
Lol at support and sharpshooter
Support & Gunslinger 💪
Reapee Ron and Richards tier lists are like completely flipped from each others😂
You obviously haven't tried the perk that lets you roast the ground with fire using a shotgun
Thermite Bore + Helios = Insane ass time
While I agree in general, I often see people ignoring Swat's tankiness and utility towards big zeds, and Survivalist's support.
Swat wont be as good as commando since it cant zed extend, but it can be a solid trash cleaning wall.
Survivalists can be anywhere decently. Sure, in a well coordinated group and all it can fall short, but on pubs, I often find myself having to switch gears and help the big zed killer who got overrun with quarter pounds, or a siren making hell on a demo.
I’ve always hated survivalist.
HE'S BACK!!! HE'S BACK!!!
I feel like the survivalist fills in the gaps in a different context as in skill wise. Depending on how you handle zeds with your weapons the perk really comes down to being a personal favourite one that isn’t really there for beneficial perks but is there for the clutch I think it’s the noobs yellow brick road. To sum it up i feel like the survivalist perk is a gun nut choice.
Edit: also the perks it hands out give it flexibility on filling in team gaps like you mentioned and also it can’t be that useless if the stim needle regenerates faster than every single
Perk besides the medic.
Always chaotic perks at the bottom heh ?
Probably just because of that headshot meta. If you get good ones or switch strats they are fairly good.
I would put SWAT in D, firebug and demo in C with berserk and gunsligner as the SS tier. I think sharp is a bit too high. It's a powerful perk but comparing KF1 to KF2, mobility is a better option than stationary camping. Gunsligner is KF2's sharpshooter in that regard.
I was playing firebug consistently on public matches at Hell on earth, like no firebug is not situational hahaha. I get out of the way when it's time and while I suck at aiming my situational awareness is good and firebug rewards this greatly.
My Firebug is definitely C tier people die all the time because of panicking Scrakes
That’s called firebugs being bad lol. Why are they hitting scrakes
Firebugs should not be hitting large zerds unless they have a Helios rifle.
I got one question which class deal the most dps?
demolitionist/Gunslinger
@@krismoon7110 thank you ❤️
I want to hear your thoughts on the new guns in Deep Rock Galactic
heres my tier list:
everything but survalist is S tier
survalist is A tier
I would love to play with anyone who's on xbox I'm downnnnnn
Can we all get on a buff the berserker band wagon lol
The nerfs weren’t that bad lol
forgot this game existed
How could you 🥺
Alright does anyone want to squad up on PS4 though
This tier list is for console version? In pc try to be solid in aim in no hit with sharpshooter, is realy hard and that do him a no solid perk
On Suicidal and Hell on Earth the zeds start dodge rolling, its really funny and much harder to hit them
Hey can anyone help me, for over 3 years I've tried to play Killing Floor 2 but it won't let me make or join games... Tripwire support says the problem is fixed and to just reset my xbox... I've done that plus reinstall multiple times I've had 2 different internet providers in that time frame and 2 new xboxs so it can't be a hardware issue... im just lost, I love this game but I can't play it
да ладно
об этой игре ещё что-то говорят
Demo and Medic is seriously useful for HoE run though
Commando and support being better than field medic is absolutely crazy.
Rip berserker
For pure damage, you’d think Demo would win, and he does, but in certain situations, Gunslinger severely out-does Demo.
I still stand by it, Gunslinger is still the best class, though I can see how in supporting he doesn’t bring much to the table besides killing things in quick succession and be killed just as fast.
SWAT I’ve grown to admire over the years, though his weapons were weak, with the exceptions being the Kriss Gun and Bastion being needed additional weapons, he has pretty much a bigger, stronger but costly health bar, outranking Support in certain cases, though being below Commando for me.
Medic still feels the same, unkillable, yet can’t kill anything that isn’t a Clot.
Marksman I just see as a handicapped Gunslinger, and while he has the ranged advantage, he’ll be sticking close with the Demo.
Commando is still amazing, still great weapons, Zed-Time advantages are still there, all around great class.
Support used to be my favorite, and yes, is needed, but feels like he doesn’t do enough and steals ammo pickups whenever possible. Dragons Breath and AA-12 still shreds, though.
I know there are some Firebug Mains in here, stay strong, someday you’ll show the world you’ll be viable.
Demo tries to be extremely deadly, but fails to try and outdo things, with distance being his biggest enemy. Still, insane damage.
To all Zerk Mains out there.
“Parry this, you fucking casual.”
I still hate Survivalist.
My Tier List:
1. Gunslinger
2. Field Medic
3. Commando
4. SWAT
5. Support
6. Marksman
7. Firebug
8. Berserker
9. Demolitionist
10. Survivalist
i like how you put support on the middle ground, as a support main i agree that we are the most "balanced" class in this game, every game don't actually need us but they appreciate when they have us.
Wtf is marksman
@@Freakycorsair Sharpshooter. Marksman sounds better tbh
Swats g36 makes him a pseudo commando
Commando has minigun
Which sucks hard
yeah, and it sucks about as hard as a prostitute on a friday night
Why do people care at all about balance in kf2? Given its pve?
YEAAAAHHHH
Here me out, survivalist with kaboomstick maxed, desert eagles maxed, and hemoclobber. It’s an unstoppable class
Every perk can cause problems if played wrong. If played right all perks can pair well with any other perk.
medic is S tier, they; along with commando, can carry teams on their own but through two entirely different ways
As a survivalist main I'm offended
Why does this video have so little comments and views after half an hour?
*sees a tier list video
Me: Hes gonna put survivalist in bottom tier on its own.
Richard: survivalist...we all know how i feel about that.
Me: Bro! What survivalist hurt you?!
whats the deal of putting gunslinger in S tier? only thing i can see where hes shineing at would dmg output in a long zedtime and the best medium zed killer with no chaos guns but with a hell of a lot downsides like high ammo price low ammo capacity extreamly long realoadtime (since realoadcanceling patch) and no extra for the team
You can't carry the AA-12 and Doom stick, unfortunately. The Benelli M4 is a great substitute though.
Yes you can they both weigh 10 and max level support can carry 20
@@Ry-Horn
Maybe I got it mixed up with Survivalist, I usually play as that class.
KF3 .... ITS NOT EXIST 2078.
i am a ps4/5 player and on console its one of the weekest skillperks you could possibly take
cant trust the guns with this ridiculous recoil and ghostbullets and you deffently need every single bullet in you gun for a big zed takedown
i hope its much better on pc
Survivalist should be higher, at least when solo or paired with chaos perks. Source: Kaboomstick + Hemoclobber + Med-Pistol. Thank you for your time.
I see commando as A their because he's not OP and gets his damage buff at level 20 which is bad for hell on earth only have one damage option
You are severely underestimating survivalist and medic is definitely not that high
You're right, medic S tier.
Love your videos! And I love a good tier list that recognizes the value of Commando :)
I do have a few changes:
S - Essential: Commando, Medic, Firebug, Demolitionist, Gunslinger
A - Very Strong: Sharpshooter, Support, Berserker
B - Solid Choice: Swat
C -Situational: Survivalist
Noice. What do you play on?
@@bigjalapeno6307 ah I'm on PC
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Demolitionist is at least B tier, probably A. The fact that full sized flesh pounds are hard to headshot when charging, and that they're only weak to explosive damage, makes Demolitionist almost a necessity for dealing with them. If i notice my team doesn't have a demo, i'll use a cross-perk explosive weapon to fill the gap. plus a good demo can handle scrakes by stunning them with a dynamite to the head, and then point blank RPG headshot, which is at least an instakill in suicidal difficulty.
On HOE, S!!!!😂👍🏾
I main firebug and swat, I'm always at the top of the leader board
But hey these are just opinions anyway
#stopfirebughate
I still think that Berserker is treading into pay to win territory when taking into consideration both the recent nerfs and the Piranha Pistol's introduction.
Perhaps it would've been worth taking paid weapons into considering the tier list
I really like the Idea of suvivalist but the Talents He gets are so Shit i would Love to have more ammo or reloadspeed at lvl 5, maybe extra Hp at lvl 10 and Something Like the Supports ammo and Armor Kits For the team maybe a dmg buff For the whole Team If the suvivalist Kills a big Zed anyway nice Tierlist
I think your Commando bias is a bit much personally, I agree zed time is crazy, but the class is not an S tier, I definitely feel Field Medic is much more useful and essential than a Commando. I don't think it's bad at all, but the bias I feel clearly shows
I think its so underrated by other players. The ability to extend zed time and be effective-ish against any ZED while still be tankier than average makes it very strong. Obviously its value gets reduced with odd/"sub-optimal" builds.
@@RichardDangles "while still be tankier than average"
Took me a bit to figure this out. I guess you're talking about the Tenacious skill.
@@synchronium24 125 HP
Commando players are usually the first to die in pubs, been playing since launch and it's still funny seeing the level 16 commando get obliterated while I play with overpowered shotguns instakilling everything in sight
@@RichardDangles The ability to extend zed time is extremely useful, nut unless everyone has zed time perks, it is not as useful as you make it out to be, zed time is always helpful, but I genuinely would rather have a better class for damage or tankiness before that point. The commando isn't a bad class, but I cannot see it having any more value than A tier at best, it does not belong in S tier at all. Like I said I think your bias kind of clouds your ranking judgement with it, not getting into other placements either
I think Swat is slept on alot. Yeah it doesn't pack quite the punch that Commando does. Put it's actually a great class for protecting more vulnerable perks like Sharpshooter. Not to mention with the Riot shield it actually a Tanky class with some sneaky burst.
To be honest we need more perks
I think survivalist is good when ur playing single player
Helios can SHRED Scrakes