The only name that Red John wrote with a title is his own. He didn't put "Agent" behind Bob Kirkland or Ray Heffner, or "Director" behind Gale Bertram. His arrogance betrayed him slightly in this video when he wrote "Sheriff" behind his name.
I think its because Mcalister was not very popular character so they put sherrif on his name to refresh our memory.. even some viewer thinks "that stupid sherrif is one of the suspects..? Pfftt.." And then, boom..
Lisbon looks so horrified at red John's smartness. Which is exactly what I feel. I understand why Jane is stoic and Lisbon's real emotions are always such a nice contrast to him.
@@devdattshrikhandepatil6574 he actually wasn't elusive. he just managed to run the blake association in such a way as to give himself plausible deniability to its members.smart ill give but if he was truly clever he wouldn't have been caught.
@@TheMemeSchemer How many followers did that boy have? Let's assume 20, a small amount of idiots. Let only 3 of those spy on Jane 24/7 so youll get the list of people he shook hands with. Let 3 more idiots check out those people in the list if they are good enough to be suspects and eliminate them instantly if theyre not. Et-voila, you have yet to tell Jane the shocking truth and predict the result 2 months later. You see... It isn't that smart if I could plan it all in a fucking minute (under 30s to be precise). Honestly, I wasted more time explaining you the trick. Although in the show they never given you the answer to the question so most people think its something extra clever and genius.
I had Van Pelt. Red Hair and she turns up after Patrick's wife and child are killed (she meets Jane in episode one) plus she is often criticising him about his whole "no such thing as psychics thing" saying things like "you don't know everything".
@@albinahlsen8928 nah, it has been established very early in the series that red John is a man. Also, episode 1 actually happens a couple years after Jane's family was killed
When this list was revealed... I was pretty much convinced that it was the CBI Director..... The Sherrif revelation looked lame in the end... A small town sherif holding that much power over 100s of government officers - that too secretly- is kind of improbable.
When lorelie said to patty that u have shaked hand with red john... The immediate picture which came to my mind is bob kirkland.. I remembered in that episode when they were investigating volker... kirkland came and shook hand with pat and said "U dont know me but i know you" and that incident happened before lorelie revealed that pat and redjohn wouldve been friends and they shook hands too. I was wrong the whole time.. 😂
He wasnt holding power he was a part of the Blake grp thing. Everyone in that group could get favours from each other and he just happened to utilise that more than others
@@TheMemeSchemer The argument for McAllister is that he was the most unlikely one on that list. It's circular logic, sensible only if you give up evidence and logic. But that's how Bruno Heller decided it.
well he is a cult leader. literally ripping off and ruinning the lives of so so so many people just for money, fame and power. if thats not a candidate for a Possible serial killer, i dont know who is. he definitely had alot of it in him. not to mention... if i remember right i think the cult Was involved in some crimes or bad things before aswell (i mean of course, its not like its sunday church, it was a cult alright. a sect trying to get power, even in political places. in the world.) Brett Stiles was NO angel. He was just Charismatic enough to cover up the Monster inside. now maybe he wasnt as bad as Red John was... but the thing is you cant know. but Brett is no nice guy. even though he did help out quite often, but then again, Red John enjoyed playing with Patrick, so it makes sense he would help him sometimes. Red John once even saved him from those copy cats when he told jane the "Tyger tyger" for the first time.
Brett Stiles was too old. And Brett Partridge was too young. We knew, since the Elliston farm, that RJ was about 25 years old in 1988. So, those names should not have been in this list.
When lorelie said to patty that u have shaked hand with red john... The immediate picture which came to my mind is bob kirkland.. I remembered in that episode when they were investigating volker... kirkland came and shook hand with pat and said "U dont know me but i know you" and that incident happened before lorelie revealed that pat and redjohn wouldve been friends and they shook hands too. I was wrong the whole time.. 😂
I subscribe to the argument the show has always made that there is no such thing as psychics, just people who pay attention and who have access to information that makes us think they know things they couldn't possibly know, when they really could know them because they are facts. The timing is wrong for Red John to be "psychic". Patrick didn't narrow down the list of names until AFTER Lorelei died. So how could Red John have picked it from Patrick's mind if it wasn't even IN Patrick's mind? All this means is that Red John had more time on his hands, so he was able to narrow down the list before Patrick. It wasn't until Patrick locked himself away with no interruptions that he was able to do it. And as for Red John knowing everyone Patrick shook hands with - that's plausible. He kept very close tabs on Patrick to both keep him safe and know everything he was doing. He had spies everywhere, and he knew every single case Patrick worked on, so he knew that Patrick would have likely shook the hands of every person of interest, law enforcement involved, etc., in those cases. And as for the "happy memory" he killed, Red John probably did such a thorough background check on Patrick Jane to know everything about everyone from his past, and it's not such a stretch that a little girl that he grew up near, who was a family friend, would have a fond association in Patrick's mind. He probably could have found dozens of people like that, but she was useful because she was far enough removed from his current life to not draw too much attention. Notice that he never harmed Teresa Lisbon or her team despite having plenty of opportunity to do so, because he wanted to give Patrick a false sense of security.
Yes, exactly. It says a lot about people that so many of them bought into RJ is a psychic just because he claimed to be one and some other characters said the same.
No that's the exact point. The show operates under game theory. Red John wasn't psychic. He was a genius. Jane is also very intelligent. The issue is they wrote it in such a way that Red John was too capable to possibly lose, thus the pigeon fiasco.
I think the only way he could get list is from Kirkland's people, who broke into jane's chamber. They took pictures of jane's board and all things there. I know jane had details pointing towards fake list of other criminals. But not enough to fool red john. So, people who took pictures could have been the association members, who shared images with red john first and then to kirkland.
There was also a hint when Lorerei said that they "shook hands". It can refer to the "rock paper scissor" game they have played during the 2nd episode. :D
@somethingsomethingDarkSide Of course they shook hand but it can be reading like that as well. That is the fun part to have own thoughts about it so I don't want to stop expressing my ideas.
@@smurfyday lol if it was a suspect who was your favorite, you would be saying the rock paper scissors was sufficient if he played it with YOUR favorite suspect. but because its a suspect u didnt like you wanna down play it. so what if people wanna interpret the rock paper scissors as shaking hands? it could be. they had to shake them in the air. dont ruin peoples fun just cuz they didnt hate the reveal.
He had so much time with lora He could taped alot of videos of lora saying particular suspects Cuz of that he published the video after jane wrote the list
Ignoring the obvious problem that Jane's list was only in his head and at that point he had told no one. That would take a very, very long time. Let's say Red John narrowed Jane's theoretical list to just 20 suspects. First of all, how does he know Jane narrowed it to 7? But even if he know Jane had it down to 7, that's by my calculations over 390 million different combinations. My theory, hypnosis, he hypnotized Jane into believing that was his final list and put himself in the list because he likes the game. It's the only thing that I can think of that makes sense.
@@bornkinggamer3347 good theory. What confuses me is that red john said he had a "real "psychic in the scene he died and that's how he got the list . But seeing as how most of the show is always saying that they don't exist I get confused.
@@bornkinggamer3347 the show established that red John and Jane are very alike. They're both mentalists and have a cunning/manipulating mindset. My theory is that red John simply put himself in Jane's mindset and worked through all the names jane would eliminate. Yes it sounds insane ik
@@miracles4219 I guess but he's have to know every person that Jane met, there's no way he was following him or had someone follow him that whole time without Jane knowing. But on top of that she died way before Jane finished his list so RJ knew way before Jane did.
@@bornkinggamer3347 what about through the use of Bertram? He would know every case jane has worked on correct? So if he assumes jane shook the hands of all the men in these case, taking them out is a matter of process of elimination. The ones that are one shots and don't reapear again and never come near anything cbi related would get crossed off. The names red John doesn't know would automatically get crossed off due to the fact they're irrelevant as jane barely has any interaction with them.
I was pretty much set on Thomas Mcallister being red john the moment I heard him mention his title as sheriff; He didn't do the others like that which was a dead giveaway, at that particular moment of arrogance he let down his guard and show his narcissist side by showing how superior he felt by mentioning his title! 🔥😉👍💯
I know this is just a TV show and I shouldn't take it too seriously, but Red John is ludicrously OP for this to be real. He would have to know everyone Jane shook hands with, what Jane's criteria for determining who he is was, Jane's personal knowledge of each man he suspects and know how many men Jane suspects. Unless RJ has unlimited resources and has been literally watching everything Jane's been doing up until now(and where would he find the time to do all this between sleeping/his day job/hunting and killing women), there simply is no way he's so smart that he can just determine Jane's list like that. Giving the villain omnipotence like this just takes me right out of the story. Now, because they've done this, whenever RJ dies I'm going to be wondering "Well why didn't he know this was coming since he apparently KNOWS EVERYTHING!?!"
Well, like Jane says, it's a trick. Red John committed numerous murders personally, missing an alibi for a random one is whatever, but missing an alibi for all of them is pretty much impossible. By probability the list would be empty, a random person would have an alibi for at least a single murder. 3 of the suspects were in his organization, obvious front men, another two were in visualize which he is incredibly secretive and he has connections with. The visualize case revealed itself after the fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Mcallister leaked it purpose to add names to the list. The only one he really had to figure out was Kirkland.
There are weird things about that list. Unless i mistake, but Jane met Bob Kirkland AFTER Lorelei told him they shook hands. Bob Kirkland was introduced in the same episode and he was looking for Jane with Lisbon. And Patrick never shook the hands of Smith or Macallister (not yet, they shook hands when Macallister saved Patrick's life on the roof of the church, but that was also a lot later). I don't think he shook Partridge's hand, the later has always been totally scornful to Jane, maybe Jane shook his hand and we didn't see it. I'm not even sure Patrick shook Stiles hand. He did shake Haffner's hand (the irony is Haffner was the only nice honest guy on the list), but otherwise the list doesn't really make sense. But it's still a great scene and a great tv show.
It was a rushed job as the network got tired of RJ and told Heller to pack it up. The list was almost ok if he didn't go for the most out-of-character character on the list.
weird thought but maybe jane playing rock paper scissors with the sheriff in episode 2 counted as "shaking hands" since they did kinda like shake them in the air when playing the game.
Cmon shaking hands is the most basic form of greeting in the West, or anywhere these days. It’s not something that needs to be shown on screen. Even if you meet someone you dislike, professionally you will still shake hands as a form of formal acknowledgement. Here shaking hand means that Res John is some prominent figure that Patrick has encountered in the past
My theory, and bear with me because this is a crazy theory, is that it is a TV show and none of this really happened. Instead a group of writers wrote it knowing most people would forget that there all this is necessary for a DVD with a guy knowing Jane's list to exist is that they declare it to be so and write the damn script. I know ... It does sound crazy now that I'm reading what I wrote.
Given that Red John was a rushed job because of the network, I wonder if they held “auditions” for past cast members to play a revealed Red John - and this list contains the top performers.
I always wonder what's that so fascinating or miraculous in him so he makes those people follow him blindly and be devouted like lunatics... it's like he hypnotized them somehow or else being an expert in human nature he picked up certain type of weak people perfect fit to his machinations...
I think you don't understand to the concept of loyalty. Almost all followers are people who he has helped and made them something. And they are grateful and loyal
@@asjaosaline5987 of course loyalty... i forgot that their moral value or conscious was not very noble so they had no problem with paying him back this way since they got into his trap in the first place because of their weakness and rotten
After epic scenes like this, and yes he was really really clever. BUT after how he died and the explonation, for me at least, Red John was dissapointing. Literally any1 else could have been a better Red John. I liked the idea of RJ is Jane. He has a split personality and imagining RJ all along. Jane's smile is very similar with the paintings on the wall 😊But this was just my version of the show. This would have been a very dark ending, but for me would have been a better one.
Why couldn't Jane identity who is Rad John from Loralei's facial expressions? He does that all the time. There should be atleast some change in her facial expressions when she mentioning the real Red John.
@@randomfullywonderful but i remember patrick wanting to interview his doctor again but later found she was murdered. if he knew that for a fact that he told her he wouldn't need to ask her to confirm
@@Omar00L Just because it's not expected doesn't mean it's a good choice. The sheriff was the one person without charm or creepiness. I don't know if he's a good actor but certain had none of the skills for this role.
@@smurfyday lol did you even see the episode in season 6 when jane went to the sheriffs area? he certainly Was creepy there. you just hatin and unwilling to look at this normally because it wasnt someone you wanted it to be. give the man credit, like that scene when jane and him were talking about Hunting? pretty creepy. sheriff had alot of menace about him in that episode.
Okay, he obviously got the happy memory part from Jane's psychiatrist but there are only two ways he could have guessed the list. Either he spied on EVERY action Jane took, and recorded logs or videos of them (because no one in his network would bother to report he shook hands with the pizza delivery guy or even if they did Red John would not care to remember). Then did the same investigation Jane did. Or he made Lorelei say all the possible names and then edited the video to say only them after he spied on the list. Both are hugely unlikely in my opinion. He can't have made Lorelei say all the names in existence. The writers made this a mess I think. The most likely way would be some kind of deepfake technology but it should be even more advanced than it is now.
@Arjun Kumar Interesting, but still not possible. It's been a while I watched the show but IIRC red john shot the video before Jane even thought of the list himself, so it couldn't have been Lisbon telling about the list. The problem I see about any 'someone was working for red john' theory is that, because he predicted before Jane even thought of the list meaning he must have 100% precent intel about Jane's movements, as much as Jane himself knows.
@@thenomad4123 When Jane was about to kill him, Red John told him he went to a real psychic to get the list...which he got months before Jane even made the list.
@@thenomad4123 it's right after Jane said "I don't care". Red John was saying "I have a real psychic..."and Jane strangled him before he could finish the line. You can check the official dialouge or subtitles or whatever and see it for yourself. My guess is he was gonna say he has a real psychic in the Blake associasion or as a friend. Edit. He didn't strangle him after grabbi g him by the throat, he asked him the questions first and then strangled him.
I agree. Was also suspecting CBI Ron because he was always hanging around but in the background. It would have made a great flashback sequence at his final reveal.
Lame, lazy, and makes all the episodes meaningless. I'm so glad all of you aren't writers. Just because something would be a shock doesn't make it good.
In few episodes before this they kill the guy from DHS who breaks into Jane's loft and copies of the research with a fake list but Red John gets the correct ones with the information Jane has used to make the deduction.
It's like "God did it". Just because he didn't know doesn't mean it's a big deal. A well-placed spy or tapped phone or bugged car would've been enough.
So who betray Jane and told Red Jon about the list , when he was about to be killed by Jane He want tell him in exchange for his life but Jane said I don't care so who was it???
no one...red knows all jane was doing so red john thought like jane and had the same resolution as him...how jane made that list...by thinking and having data...so red john used the same data since he known for sure all jane is doing.....
@@Omar00L but red jon do not really know people on list most of them at least really I mean thier porsonlities of even meet them and how they think like Jane did
Seriously dude...even tho most people watching this clip will have seen that finale, d'you really have to put the answer to the entire show's biggest spoiler right up there? Not cool.
What goes through your small pathetic brain that tells you spoiling anything is a smart idea? Do you find it funny? Do you feel smart? I dont understand stupidity so enlighten me.
i mean. if you think John wasnt losing on purpose in that rock paper scissors, i think you werent really paying attention throught this entire show. its all about manipulation and pretending man... if John was winning the rock paper scissors he would be suspicious. nah, he was enjoying how he could lose on purpose and act so good jane actually thought he was winning legit.
i call it sexist. why men always have to play the big bad villain. for once make women the big bad, gruesome, heartless, most dangerous villain and make the protagonist beat the shit out of her. Now that would be fair and that would be a neutral state of society. xD
its kinda funny how a guy with an Arabic name wants a Woman to be the villain. hmmm. i wonder if theres a possible connection there........ who knows. might just be the way women are treated over there or i might be reaching. 😳 and also asking a man to beat up the woman? lol. nice. a true middle eastern guy here.
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The only name that Red John wrote with a title is his own. He didn't put "Agent" behind Bob Kirkland or Ray Heffner, or "Director" behind Gale Bertram. His arrogance betrayed him slightly in this video when he wrote "Sheriff" behind his name.
You'd think so, but notice that the pictures only had names printed for the others and the title was printed for McAllister.
@@randomfullywonderful Those pictures still have nothing to do with Red John's letter that Lorelei was reading.
@@JohnDoeTheGoodGuy i think thats the point , he knew exactly what was on janes list despite having nothing to do with them
I think its because Mcalister was not very popular character so they put sherrif on his name to refresh our memory..
even some viewer thinks "that stupid sherrif is one of the suspects..? Pfftt.."
And then, boom..
you are saying that now because now you who red john was and now its easy for you to figure it out
The first time I saw this, I had goosebumps.
Me too. Is a very well suspense scene.
Lisbon looks so horrified at red John's smartness. Which is exactly what I feel. I understand why Jane is stoic and Lisbon's real emotions are always such a nice contrast to him.
nice read
Well jane is stoic because he already watched the video. And after this you can see he is very destroyed
@@taz9863no I totally get that. I just meant that Lisbons expressions sorta make it seem that extra bit horrifying for me.
red john: i'll show you clever
also red john: gets caught and killed after 8 episodes.
Well, he played with CBI and Patrick long enough, pretty elusively ! He is clever, to be honest !
@@devdattshrikhandepatil6574 he actually wasn't elusive. he just managed to run the blake association in such a way as to give himself plausible deniability to its members.smart ill give but if he was truly clever he wouldn't have been caught.
@@nomadhakunamatata5793 Even the best of players get out done sometimes in their life....
@@devdattshrikhandepatil6574 as he said, RJ is smart, but not very clever. His biggest problem was his arrogance.
I mean 25 year career ain't that bad tho
Jane should've figured it out the second she said sheriff. He knows only a narcissist like red john would take everyone else's title away but his own
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Didn't Patrick made that list and put the names on it?
Patrick named him 'sheriff', check the names under the photos. His clever is actually spying, not at all that 'clever'.
@@majzerofive dude red john made a hostage he killed read out a letter 2 months before Jane got his suspects
@@TheMemeSchemer How many followers did that boy have? Let's assume 20, a small amount of idiots. Let only 3 of those spy on Jane 24/7 so youll get the list of people he shook hands with. Let 3 more idiots check out those people in the list if they are good enough to be suspects and eliminate them instantly if theyre not. Et-voila, you have yet to tell Jane the shocking truth and predict the result 2 months later.
You see... It isn't that smart if I could plan it all in a fucking minute (under 30s to be precise). Honestly, I wasted more time explaining you the trick. Although in the show they never given you the answer to the question so most people think its something extra clever and genius.
I always think of this but imagine if cho was red john all along.
😁 Me too
I had Van Pelt. Red Hair and she turns up after Patrick's wife and child are killed (she meets Jane in episode one) plus she is often criticising him about his whole "no such thing as psychics thing" saying things like "you don't know everything".
@@albinahlsen8928 nah, it has been established very early in the series that red John is a man. Also, episode 1 actually happens a couple years after Jane's family was killed
Max AL I thought Rigsby
@@MrAlathiel maybe van pelts father?
the best series ever. that acting. that story, so perfect
This show was one of a kind
Rees Smith is the only one that survived
When this list was revealed... I was pretty much convinced that it was the CBI Director..... The Sherrif revelation looked lame in the end... A small town sherif holding that much power over 100s of government officers - that too secretly- is kind of improbable.
That exactly what he did, no one would guess a small town sherif, even you right?
When lorelie said to patty that u have shaked hand with red john... The immediate picture which came to my mind is bob kirkland.. I remembered in that episode when they were investigating volker... kirkland came and shook hand with pat and said "U dont know me but i know you" and that incident happened before lorelie revealed that pat and redjohn wouldve been friends and they shook hands too.
I was wrong the whole time.. 😂
He wasnt holding power he was a part of the Blake grp thing. Everyone in that group could get favours from each other and he just happened to utilise that more than others
@@TheMemeSchemer The argument for McAllister is that he was the most unlikely one on that list. It's circular logic, sensible only if you give up evidence and logic. But that's how Bruno Heller decided it.
I wonder, do people even watch the show before commenting under these videos?
Nope
At the time of the show I didnt really have any idea who was Red John but it didnt make much sense to have Brett Stiles on the list of suspects.
Way too old.
@@smurfyday and way too cooperative
well he is a cult leader. literally ripping off and ruinning the lives of so so so many people just for money, fame and power. if thats not a candidate for a Possible serial killer, i dont know who is. he definitely had alot of it in him. not to mention... if i remember right i think the cult Was involved in some crimes or bad things before aswell (i mean of course, its not like its sunday church, it was a cult alright. a sect trying to get power, even in political places. in the world.) Brett Stiles was NO angel. He was just Charismatic enough to cover up the Monster inside. now maybe he wasnt as bad as Red John was... but the thing is you cant know. but Brett is no nice guy. even though he did help out quite often, but then again, Red John enjoyed playing with Patrick, so it makes sense he would help him sometimes. Red John once even saved him from those copy cats when he told jane the "Tyger tyger" for the first time.
Brett Stiles was too old. And Brett Partridge was too young. We knew, since the Elliston farm, that RJ was about 25 years old in 1988. So, those names should not have been in this list.
At 3:59!, there was a pause when Lorelei said Sheriff Thomas McAllister See?
There was also a pause at 3:47
When lorelie said to patty that u have shaked hand with red john... The immediate picture which came to my mind is bob kirkland.. I remembered in that episode when they were investigating volker... kirkland came and shook hand with pat and said "U dont know me but i know you" and that incident happened before lorelie revealed that pat and redjohn wouldve been friends and they shook hands too.
I was wrong the whole time.. 😂
I subscribe to the argument the show has always made that there is no such thing as psychics, just people who pay attention and who have access to information that makes us think they know things they couldn't possibly know, when they really could know them because they are facts.
The timing is wrong for Red John to be "psychic". Patrick didn't narrow down the list of names until AFTER Lorelei died. So how could Red John have picked it from Patrick's mind if it wasn't even IN Patrick's mind? All this means is that Red John had more time on his hands, so he was able to narrow down the list before Patrick. It wasn't until Patrick locked himself away with no interruptions that he was able to do it. And as for Red John knowing everyone Patrick shook hands with - that's plausible. He kept very close tabs on Patrick to both keep him safe and know everything he was doing. He had spies everywhere, and he knew every single case Patrick worked on, so he knew that Patrick would have likely shook the hands of every person of interest, law enforcement involved, etc., in those cases. And as for the "happy memory" he killed, Red John probably did such a thorough background check on Patrick Jane to know everything about everyone from his past, and it's not such a stretch that a little girl that he grew up near, who was a family friend, would have a fond association in Patrick's mind. He probably could have found dozens of people like that, but she was useful because she was far enough removed from his current life to not draw too much attention. Notice that he never harmed Teresa Lisbon or her team despite having plenty of opportunity to do so, because he wanted to give Patrick a false sense of security.
Yes, exactly. It says a lot about people that so many of them bought into RJ is a psychic just because he claimed to be one and some other characters said the same.
No that's the exact point. The show operates under game theory. Red John wasn't psychic. He was a genius. Jane is also very intelligent. The issue is they wrote it in such a way that Red John was too capable to possibly lose, thus the pigeon fiasco.
I think the only way he could get list is from Kirkland's people, who broke into jane's chamber. They took pictures of jane's board and all things there.
I know jane had details pointing towards fake list of other criminals. But not enough to fool red john.
So, people who took pictures could have been the association members, who shared images with red john first and then to kirkland.
awesome music at the end.
There was also a hint when Lorerei said that they "shook hands". It can refer to the "rock paper scissor" game they have played during the 2nd episode. :D
@somethingsomethingDarkSide Of course they shook hand but it can be reading like that as well. That is the fun part to have own thoughts about it so I don't want to stop expressing my ideas.
There was no shaking hands in that episode. That's such post-game quarterbacking, it's sad. Only proves the sheriff was the worst choice on that list.
@@smurfyday lol if it was a suspect who was your favorite, you would be saying the rock paper scissors was sufficient if he played it with YOUR favorite suspect. but because its a suspect u didnt like you wanna down play it. so what if people wanna interpret the rock paper scissors as shaking hands? it could be. they had to shake them in the air. dont ruin peoples fun just cuz they didnt hate the reveal.
He had so much time with lora
He could taped alot of videos of lora saying particular suspects
Cuz of that he published the video after jane wrote the list
Ignoring the obvious problem that Jane's list was only in his head and at that point he had told no one.
That would take a very, very long time. Let's say Red John narrowed Jane's theoretical list to just 20 suspects. First of all, how does he know Jane narrowed it to 7? But even if he know Jane had it down to 7, that's by my calculations over 390 million different combinations.
My theory, hypnosis, he hypnotized Jane into believing that was his final list and put himself in the list because he likes the game. It's the only thing that I can think of that makes sense.
@@bornkinggamer3347 good theory. What confuses me is that red john said he had a "real "psychic in the scene he died and that's how he got the list . But seeing as how most of the show is always saying that they don't exist I get confused.
@@bornkinggamer3347 the show established that red John and Jane are very alike. They're both mentalists and have a cunning/manipulating mindset. My theory is that red John simply put himself in Jane's mindset and worked through all the names jane would eliminate. Yes it sounds insane ik
@@miracles4219 I guess but he's have to know every person that Jane met, there's no way he was following him or had someone follow him that whole time without Jane knowing. But on top of that she died way before Jane finished his list so RJ knew way before Jane did.
@@bornkinggamer3347 what about through the use of Bertram? He would know every case jane has worked on correct? So if he assumes jane shook the hands of all the men in these case, taking them out is a matter of process of elimination.
The ones that are one shots and don't reapear again and never come near anything cbi related would get crossed off. The names red John doesn't know would automatically get crossed off due to the fact they're irrelevant as jane barely has any interaction with them.
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I was pretty much set on Thomas Mcallister being red john the moment I heard him mention his title as sheriff; He didn't do the others like that which was a dead giveaway, at that particular moment of arrogance he let down his guard and show his narcissist side by showing how superior he felt by mentioning his title! 🔥😉👍💯
But it was on Jane's picture.
jane lisbon care protect each other priceless.
I hate how the lighting got so much darker this season
I know this is just a TV show and I shouldn't take it too seriously, but Red John is ludicrously OP for this to be real. He would have to know everyone Jane shook hands with, what Jane's criteria for determining who he is was, Jane's personal knowledge of each man he suspects and know how many men Jane suspects.
Unless RJ has unlimited resources and has been literally watching everything Jane's been doing up until now(and where would he find the time to do all this between sleeping/his day job/hunting and killing women), there simply is no way he's so smart that he can just determine Jane's list like that. Giving the villain omnipotence like this just takes me right out of the story.
Now, because they've done this, whenever RJ dies I'm going to be wondering "Well why didn't he know this was coming since he apparently KNOWS EVERYTHING!?!"
They realised it late and compensated by making Red John a joke in his final episode 😂
Could not have said it better myself
Well, like Jane says, it's a trick. Red John committed numerous murders personally, missing an alibi for a random one is whatever, but missing an alibi for all of them is pretty much impossible. By probability the list would be empty, a random person would have an alibi for at least a single murder. 3 of the suspects were in his organization, obvious front men, another two were in visualize which he is incredibly secretive and he has connections with. The visualize case revealed itself after the fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Mcallister leaked it purpose to add names to the list. The only one he really had to figure out was Kirkland.
There are weird things about that list. Unless i mistake, but Jane met Bob Kirkland AFTER Lorelei told him they shook hands. Bob Kirkland was introduced in the same episode and he was looking for Jane with Lisbon. And Patrick never shook the hands of Smith or Macallister (not yet, they shook hands when Macallister saved Patrick's life on the roof of the church, but that was also a lot later). I don't think he shook Partridge's hand, the later has always been totally scornful to Jane, maybe Jane shook his hand and we didn't see it. I'm not even sure Patrick shook Stiles hand. He did shake Haffner's hand (the irony is Haffner was the only nice honest guy on the list), but otherwise the list doesn't really make sense. But it's still a great scene and a great tv show.
Things happening offscreen
It was a rushed job as the network got tired of RJ and told Heller to pack it up. The list was almost ok if he didn't go for the most out-of-character character on the list.
weird thought but maybe jane playing rock paper scissors with the sheriff in episode 2 counted as "shaking hands" since they did kinda like shake them in the air when playing the game.
Cmon shaking hands is the most basic form of greeting in the West, or anywhere these days. It’s not something that needs to be shown on screen. Even if you meet someone you dislike, professionally you will still shake hands as a form of formal acknowledgement. Here shaking hand means that Res John is some prominent figure that Patrick has encountered in the past
My theory, and bear with me because this is a crazy theory, is that it is a TV show and none of this really happened. Instead a group of writers wrote it knowing most people would forget that there all this is necessary for a DVD with a guy knowing Jane's list to exist is that they declare it to be so and write the damn script. I know ... It does sound crazy now that I'm reading what I wrote.
JDines lol
lmao XD
Given that Red John was a rushed job because of the network, I wonder if they held “auditions” for past cast members to play a revealed Red John - and this list contains the top performers.
I dont think that even the writers know how red john figured out the names
This scene was crazyyy
I always wonder what's that so fascinating or miraculous in him so he makes those people follow him blindly and be devouted like lunatics... it's like he hypnotized them somehow or else being an expert in human nature he picked up certain type of weak people perfect fit to his machinations...
I think you don't understand to the concept of loyalty. Almost all followers are people who he has helped and made them something. And they are grateful and loyal
@@asjaosaline5987 of course loyalty... i forgot that their moral value or conscious was not very noble so they had no problem with paying him back this way since they got into his trap in the first place because of their weakness and rotten
@@yavitvexe9997 Yea Red John is a master manipulator. just like how jane is good at controlling people, red john is too, but john uses it for evil.
After epic scenes like this, and yes he was really really clever. BUT after how he died and the explonation, for me at least, Red John was dissapointing. Literally any1 else could have been a better Red John. I liked the idea of RJ is Jane. He has a split personality and imagining RJ all along. Jane's smile is very similar with the paintings on the wall 😊But this was just my version of the show. This would have been a very dark ending, but for me would have been a better one.
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01: Consent
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the soundtrack, any idea what its called?
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Slice of Life really shouldn’t have to. That’s the responsibility of the person who posted the video.
Something's gotten hold of my heart, by Gene Pitney
How dis RJ know about the happy memory ????
From Jane's therapist when he had his breakdown
Watch the show.
Why couldn't Jane identity who is Rad John from Loralei's facial expressions? He does that all the time. There should be atleast some change in her facial expressions when she mentioning the real Red John.
But, how red john knew the list suspects of Jane…? 🧐
How did red John know about his happy memorie
A mystery to keep the viewer guessing about what could be real about life.
He tortured it out from his therapists.You Should watch the episode slowly
He interrogated his therapist. He forgot about telling her the happy memory because he was all doped up on neuroleptics.
@@randomfullywonderful but i remember patrick wanting to interview his doctor again but later found she was murdered. if he knew that for a fact that he told her he wouldn't need to ask her to confirm
how did red john figure out about the seven names? that's what i wanna know
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I think many of us expected it to be brett plat. and that would be too easy thus they chose sheriff
i would have been mad if it was kirkland or bertram or styles because it would be so predictable...the 2 best choices were the sherif or bartridge...
@@Omar00L Just because it's not expected doesn't mean it's a good choice. The sheriff was the one person without charm or creepiness. I don't know if he's a good actor but certain had none of the skills for this role.
@@smurfyday lol did you even see the episode in season 6 when jane went to the sheriffs area? he certainly Was creepy there. you just hatin and unwilling to look at this normally because it wasnt someone you wanted it to be. give the man credit, like that scene when jane and him were talking about Hunting? pretty creepy. sheriff had alot of menace about him in that episode.
Okay, he obviously got the happy memory part from Jane's psychiatrist but there are only two ways he could have guessed the list.
Either he spied on EVERY action Jane took, and recorded logs or videos of them (because no one in his network would bother to report he shook hands with the pizza delivery guy or even if they did Red John would not care to remember). Then did the same investigation Jane did.
Or he made Lorelei say all the possible names and then edited the video to say only them after he spied on the list.
Both are hugely unlikely in my opinion. He can't have made Lorelei say all the names in existence. The writers made this a mess I think. The most likely way would be some kind of deepfake technology but it should be even more advanced than it is now.
@Arjun Kumar Interesting, but still not possible. It's been a while I watched the show but IIRC red john shot the video before Jane even thought of the list himself, so it couldn't have been Lisbon telling about the list.
The problem I see about any 'someone was working for red john' theory is that, because he predicted before Jane even thought of the list meaning he must have 100% precent intel about Jane's movements, as much as Jane himself knows.
@Arjun Kumar Yes, but at that point Lorelei was already dead.
@@thenomad4123 When Jane was about to kill him, Red John told him he went to a real psychic to get the list...which he got months before Jane even made the list.
@@osmanhadzalic9060 Where did he say that? Jane said I don't care and strangled him before he said anything IIRC.
@@thenomad4123 it's right after Jane said "I don't care". Red John was saying "I have a real psychic..."and Jane strangled him before he could finish the line. You can check the official dialouge or subtitles or whatever and see it for yourself. My guess is he was gonna say he has a real psychic in the Blake associasion or as a friend.
Edit. He didn't strangle him after grabbi g him by the throat, he asked him the questions first and then strangled him.
So anyone gonna tell me how the fck red john knows the list? I still cant figure out to this day.
6 is the number of man
Notice he named himself 6
Cause deep down red John doesn’t believe in GOD or an afterlife
He would pick the number of mankind
pretty sure 6 is Satan, my guy. 666. he chose himself as The Devil.
Red john patrick janes greatest rival
Alguien sabe como se llama y quien interpreta la canción gracias
Gene Pitney "something's gotten hold of My heart" (1967)
Jane ficou muito nervoso com essa lista! Lisbon também é ainda vendo como loreley estava!
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Red John is dead. It’s Sheriff McAllister.
Por favor, alguien sabe quién interpreta el tema musical que se escucha??
Gene Pitney - Somethings Got A Hold Of My Heart
I was thinking that Jane is red john because he may hay multipersonality problems
Cliche.
what if red john was a girl? HMMMMMM
In season 1 of episode 11 red John killed a guy while dying that guy wrote with his blood "he is man".
jeet Talreja
"He is Mar"*.
@@balabanasireti he is mac...
@@Helperstricks he is sheriff
Serial killers target victims of opposite gender. For the first 2 seasons I even believed Grace Van Pelt could be Red John.
The best plot would've been if Patrick himself was Red John
I thought he had a split personality and it was him early on
I agree. Was also suspecting CBI Ron because he was always hanging around but in the background. It would have made a great flashback sequence at his final reveal.
Lame, lazy, and makes all the episodes meaningless. I'm so glad all of you aren't writers. Just because something would be a shock doesn't make it good.
Shutter island vibes haha
i dont think so. thatd be pretty stupid.
Even patrick jane didn’t know how red john get the list of suspects
Then how red john got a list?
In few episodes before this they kill the guy from DHS who breaks into Jane's loft and copies of the research with a fake list but Red John gets the correct ones with the information Jane has used to make the deduction.
@@MrShades77 He made that record before jane even wrote his first list
It's like "God did it". Just because he didn't know doesn't mean it's a big deal. A well-placed spy or tapped phone or bugged car would've been enough.
this list should be the Red John.
SECONDO ME E' KIRLAND....ma come fai ad avere questo filmato che nella serie stiamo alla puntata 19???
So who betray Jane and told Red Jon about the list , when he was about to be killed by Jane He want tell him in exchange for his life but Jane said I don't care so who was it???
no one...red knows all jane was doing so red john thought like jane and had the same resolution as him...how jane made that list...by thinking and having data...so red john used the same data since he known for sure all jane is doing.....
@@Omar00L but red jon do not really know people on list most of them at least really I mean thier porsonlities of even meet them and how they think like Jane did
Patridge > mcallister
Who's partridge?
Mohammad Faizal Baharuddin the forensics guy
exactly !!!! he was the perfect red john !!!
@@simplythebest286 he was the youngest guy on the list,a bit too young to start killing people since 1988
Then again, just about everyone would have been.
Red John is sheriff Thomas McAllister, even Patrick defeats him in mockery mode rocks, paper and scissors in chapter 2 of the first season
Seriously dude...even tho most people watching this clip will have seen that finale, d'you really have to put the answer to the entire show's biggest spoiler right up there? Not cool.
What goes through your small pathetic brain that tells you spoiling anything is a smart idea? Do you find it funny? Do you feel smart? I dont understand stupidity so enlighten me.
Did you figure this out all by yourself, just by watching the show? Truly impressive.
i mean. if you think John wasnt losing on purpose in that rock paper scissors, i think you werent really paying attention throught this entire show. its all about manipulation and pretending man... if John was winning the rock paper scissors he would be suspicious. nah, he was enjoying how he could lose on purpose and act so good jane actually thought he was winning legit.
es real ????
Sarah Garcia no
Yes, this is a documentary.
Red John vai se lascar na mão do James
I dislike the idea and don't believe that he (red john) was a psychic so he read Jane's mind
Lame psychic considering Jane got the drop on him!
No one was a psychic on the show, or in real life.
i call it sexist. why men always have to play the big bad villain. for once make women the big bad, gruesome, heartless, most dangerous villain and make the protagonist beat the shit out of her. Now that would be fair and that would be a neutral state of society. xD
Game Of Thrones? The walking dead?? House Of cards??? Gomorra???? You never hear? You're living on The moon for case?
@@TheMentalistItalia i guess i got a lot to catch up. I honestly haven't watched any of these. So many shows... 🥴
@@torababdullah7952 Elementary, sherlock's nemesis is a woman.
its kinda funny how a guy with an Arabic name wants a Woman to be the villain. hmmm. i wonder if theres a possible connection there........ who knows. might just be the way women are treated over there or i might be reaching. 😳 and also asking a man to beat up the woman? lol. nice. a true middle eastern guy here.
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