Through bolts are the way to go and we always get to that easy set torsion and if they’re broken always just convert to standard torsion but I can’t tell you how many wd doors I’ve through bolted lol
Looked like a 9605 door. 2-sided steel with urethane foam insulation in between. There are 2 springs in that Torquemaster tube. Very hard to visually observe when you have a broken spring until your operator has issues or you break a panel, or both. Actually I like to do the torsion conversions because you can see the spring and the parts aren’t proprietary to WD. Costs more the first time but cheaper down the road. Just did a torsion conversion conversion today on a WD9605 16x8 where the opener caved the top panel. Also switched to a jack shaft opener to eliminate the push/pull on the top panel.
It’s a $35 upcharge for me to spec regular torsion springs over Torquemaster on a new WD door, which I do most of the time. Not as clean of a look but well worth it for many other reasons.
Another thing could possibly be going on is some door companies used a open cell foam in their door panels and over time the door panels soak up water causing them to be heavier which also cause the operator to struggle and cause strain on the hinges. If this is the case you're best to buy a new door.
I’ve put up a few of those and they do seem solid. I wouldn’t mind doing more if I had a good dealer nearby. Fortunately/unfortunately I took over a business that dealt with WD and the dealer is close so I use what I can get, which is half the battle these days.
I am getting two offers I believe both are good prices but I could use help! Both include full labor and disposal of old existing in full. First time ever asking for help on Reddit and I can't mentally afford another rabbit hole project! Comporable R-Values and I've been told too many get lost in the R Value. In this case the Clopay is 12.9 the Wayne Dalton U-factor of .15 (R-value of 12.12), Clopay Premium Series 9130 ($3379 - $300 rebate = $3079) -Extra Strut -Windows -2 Years Labor -Goldbar Hardware package upgrades all hardware to lifetime warranty, heavy duty hinges and ball bearing nylon rollers, and includes warranty on 20,000 cycle upgraded torsion spring (instead of normal 10K,) and 2 year labor warranty: Wayne Dalton Classic Steel Model 8300 ($3,400) -Done by a friend -Windows - 1 year labor but I'm sure he would be fine with 2 years labor.
Great video, described my situation perfectly, flimsy tinfoil wrapped foam core. To get by, I Tim Tool-Man’d some re-enforcement and welded it to the frame (welding on galvanized is bad practice). Door’s tag had 7/2006 manufacturers date, torquemaster failed ages ago and replaced with proper torsion springs. It sounds like I’m shopping for a new door and can cross WD and Clopay off the list.
The door behind him is a Clopay...hm🤔 looks like a 9×8? with a torsion spring. The one in the picture in question is a 9100 total pack. The 9100 model door isn't very good. The hinges are pre mounted it hardly has anything to its panels in the way of insulation. The spring system is what's called a "tork tube" spring and or springs. which means they aren't able to be accessed from the top of the door. Like you can with a torsion spring. The spring of the tork tube is inside a metal shaft so you can't just patch the spring, (if.it.breaks) and order a new spring. You have to just order one. In the meanwhile the customer can't use said door. Unless you keep "tork tubes" in stock at your shop
converted to a torsion spring and shaft system. Hinges the ones that are loose. I would drill through the door and through bold it that would last the longest not a fan of Wayne Dalton. You are limited on how you can fix. Good luck, Tony with Tony’s garage door service LLC
WD are a bad door there kinda a pain to fix and most of the time they should just be replaced. I think Clopay is the next level up, not a fan, most of them have cheap track, hinges, rollers, special tongue, and groove design. We are a CHI dealer and there a great door, I would highly recommend them, Safeway and Amarr/Delden, Doorlink are fine. CHI I think just have the best quality, look good, made well, but they are more expensive normally, all are door come will heavier hinges, nylon coated rollers, a strut! Our track is normally riveted for faster install.
When showing customer how bad this system torque master is i like to shove a broken piece of the small ass sping in through the hole of the torsion spring where the tube goes😂. To visually show the difference and lifespan potential of a hogher cycle spring🎉
sorry been in this business 40+ yrs. and this is the typical residential sales pitch....yes i do agree Wayne Dalton residential doors suck, but its the price range some are stuck with. no need to bash them just to try and make your product sound better. I wouldn't come on your video and tell people that if i6ts a tough door they want they should buy Overhead Door Corp. Thermocore doors. Walmart used them for 18 years as their dock doors and buggy doors, they went to a Raynor recently but are already looking back at the Thermocore its tough and has a super high $R-factor. I retired from this business I got no reason to lie or promote products that dont make the cut. have a nice day
The worst thing about those cheap azz Wayne Dalton doors is there is no backing plate or strip to fasten the hinges to. The end hinges only attach to the cheap end caps and the center hinges attach to nothing but the cheap gauge skin steel with their proprietary screws. Worst door design ever. Cheap! cheap! cheap!
Through bolts are the way to go and we always get to that easy set torsion and if they’re broken always just convert to standard torsion but I can’t tell you how many wd doors I’ve through bolted lol
I see these wayne dalton doors hinges failing on 50% of service calls. Youre, right, Pay now or Pay later.
Looked like a 9605 door. 2-sided steel with urethane foam insulation in between. There are 2 springs in that Torquemaster tube. Very hard to visually observe when you have a broken spring until your operator has issues or you break a panel, or both. Actually I like to do the torsion conversions because you can see the spring and the parts aren’t proprietary to WD. Costs more the first time but cheaper down the road. Just did a torsion conversion conversion today on a WD9605 16x8 where the opener caved the top panel. Also switched to a jack shaft opener to eliminate the push/pull on the top panel.
It’s a $35 upcharge for me to spec regular torsion springs over Torquemaster on a new WD door, which I do most of the time. Not as clean of a look but well worth it for many other reasons.
@@dguiley whats $35 these day?
must have better profit margin on the jackshaft operators....a properly sprung and tensioned door dont need the higher cost operator.
Another thing could possibly be going on is some door companies used a open cell foam in their door panels and over time the door panels soak up water causing them to be heavier which also cause the operator to struggle and cause strain on the hinges. If this is the case you're best to buy a new door.
Shouldn’t be the case with this door but there could be other damage we don’t know about that is stressing the hinge.
I would never buy a WD door. I have installed thousands. They are junk. I prefer CHI. solid build door
I’ve put up a few of those and they do seem solid. I wouldn’t mind doing more if I had a good dealer nearby. Fortunately/unfortunately I took over a business that dealt with WD and the dealer is close so I use what I can get, which is half the battle these days.
@@dguiley where are you?CHI ships and i know a few good hotshotters who deliver at real reasonable rates
I am getting two offers I believe both are good prices but I could use help! Both include full labor and disposal of old existing in full. First time ever asking for help on Reddit and I can't mentally afford another rabbit hole project! Comporable R-Values and I've been told too many get lost in the R Value. In this case the Clopay is 12.9 the Wayne Dalton U-factor of .15 (R-value of 12.12),
Clopay Premium Series 9130 ($3379 - $300 rebate = $3079)
-Extra Strut
-Windows
-2 Years Labor
-Goldbar Hardware package upgrades all hardware to lifetime warranty, heavy duty hinges and ball bearing nylon rollers, and includes warranty on 20,000 cycle upgraded torsion spring (instead of normal 10K,) and 2 year labor warranty:
Wayne Dalton Classic Steel Model 8300 ($3,400)
-Done by a friend
-Windows
- 1 year labor but I'm sure he would be fine with 2 years labor.
Great video, described my situation perfectly, flimsy tinfoil wrapped foam core. To get by, I Tim Tool-Man’d some re-enforcement and welded it to the frame (welding on galvanized is bad practice). Door’s tag had 7/2006 manufacturers date, torquemaster failed ages ago and replaced with proper torsion springs. It sounds like I’m shopping for a new door and can cross WD and Clopay off the list.
The door behind him is a Clopay...hm🤔 looks like a 9×8? with a torsion spring. The one in the picture in question is a 9100 total pack. The 9100 model door isn't very good. The hinges are pre mounted it hardly has anything to its panels in the way of insulation. The spring system is what's called a "tork tube" spring and or springs. which means they aren't able to be accessed from the top of the door. Like you can with a torsion spring. The spring of the tork tube is inside a metal shaft so you can't just patch the spring, (if.it.breaks) and order a new spring. You have to just order one. In the meanwhile the customer can't use said door. Unless you keep "tork tubes" in stock at your shop
No springs on mine, a 9100 with a Genie 2028, unless it's a torquemaster.
Probably a TorqueMaster if it has a teardrop tube on it.
converted to a torsion spring and shaft system. Hinges the ones that are loose. I would drill through the door and through bold it that would last the longest not a fan of Wayne Dalton. You are limited on how you can fix. Good luck, Tony with Tony’s garage door service LLC
Might be able to replace the style on that panel where the hinge is loose instead of drilling through.
WD are a bad door there kinda a pain to fix and most of the time they should just be replaced. I think Clopay is the next level up, not a fan, most of them have cheap track, hinges, rollers, special tongue, and groove design. We are a CHI dealer and there a great door, I would highly recommend them, Safeway and Amarr/Delden, Doorlink are fine. CHI I think just have the best quality, look good, made well, but they are more expensive normally, all are door come will heavier hinges, nylon coated rollers, a strut! Our track is normally riveted for faster install.
So Clopay better then Wayne Dalton? I need a cheap insulated door
I would say they are one step up. Just try and pay attention to the hardware. Rollers, hinges, torsion spring not extension springs. Good luck 🍀
Those Wayne Daltons are crap. The commercial sections seem to be better like the TM5155 for example but the resi paperback ones are junk.
Paperback we should all coin that phrase I love it lol
When showing customer how bad this system torque master is i like to shove a broken piece of the small ass sping in through the hole of the torsion spring where the tube goes😂. To visually show the difference and lifespan potential of a hogher cycle spring🎉
sorry been in this business 40+ yrs. and this is the typical residential sales pitch....yes i do agree Wayne Dalton residential doors suck, but its the price range some are stuck with. no need to bash them just to try and make your product sound better. I wouldn't come on your video and tell people that if i6ts a tough door they want they should buy Overhead Door Corp. Thermocore doors. Walmart used them for 18 years as their dock doors and buggy doors, they went to a Raynor recently but are already looking back at the Thermocore its tough and has a super high $R-factor. I retired from this business I got no reason to lie or promote products that dont make the cut. have a nice day
The worst thing about those cheap azz Wayne Dalton doors is there is no backing plate or strip to fasten the hinges to. The end hinges only attach to the cheap end caps and the center hinges attach to nothing but the cheap gauge skin steel with their proprietary screws. Worst door design ever. Cheap! cheap! cheap!