@@nickatnite16 Nothing unfair about it. If you understood the extent and sophistication of counterfeit manufacturing and laundering (even through Nike-owned bricks and mortar shopfronts!) you'd realise that there's almost no certainty that many shoes are authentic these days. That Seth admitted his suspicions but on balance concluded the shoes were authentic AFTER CUTTING THEM OPEN speaks volumes about his integrity and rigour
@@dontqq29 in what way? My Nike Tempos have logos on the insoles too. You need to be crystal clear on your reasons for contradicting Seth, who holds the shoes in his hand, wears them, and cuts them into pieces - vs you looking at them on your screen, prompted to label them fakes merely because Seth has raised the question himself. SJD reviews running shoes for a living, is completely independent and self-evidently appears to be measured and fair-minded. Dare I suggest that you wouldn't be claiming they're fakes if he hadn't raised the possibility before discounting it?
@@dontqq29 pls post links to the clips/images/pages that you believe clearly demonstrate they're fakes. You're essentially asserting, with zero evidence, that SJD is an idiot. No reasonable person could reach that conclusion from consuming a modicum of his content, indicating to me that you have a stake in claiming he was duped. So you're probably a Nike or related employee/contractor, likely from a PR firm who've been covertly briefed to limit the damage
Malcolm Turnbear Def. didn’t mean to come off that Seth is an idiot. I’ve bought fakes before. I’ve removed my previous posts! I’d like to believe he has the real ones after letting the lucky sasha who is familiar with fake Nike shoe construction watch the vid...the plate being orange vs black just seems odd. The lucky Sasha utuber says these are real since the insoles are made of recycled material vs a fake one not being like that
These are not made for them. They are made for average joe runner. the elites are running in different shoes like the alphafly. But these are good for what they are made for, everyday training shoes. They are not made for speed only
Lightweight runners - record setting, fast, fleet footed, etc Heavier runners (like myself) - slower, but feeling more confident that I am getting better energy return from my race shoes 😎
I think you actually bought them fakes. They look off, they are close to the original but not quite. The glued insole does not really mean they are authentic.
Yes. Glued insoles is very strange? Every single pair of Nike Running shoes that me and my wife have purchased directly from Nike (Peg 37's, Zoom Fly 3's, Next %) have all had removeable insoles - not glued) Given that these weren't directly from Nike, I can't help but think they maybe fakes
If they are fake you won't find nylon plate in them,if they are replicas you'll find all genuine materials in them like in original ones.Replica shoes have 98-98% same properties but they are cheaper. You cannot buy fake or replica Nike Tempo Next% on the internet for $200.They always be a way cheaper..
So, having watched and read so many reviews on this shoe I thought I’d try it. I’ve run in the 4%, VF next% and the alphafly. All different and all excellent in different ways. I’ve also bought a couple of pairs of shoes I didn’t get along with in the last year or so. The Pegasus 36 and the Hoka Rincon (fun, light, but low quality upper that gave me blisters). So while I’ve liked some Nike products, I wouldn’t class myself as a ‘fanboy’ and was prepared to not like the tempo next%. If I’d wasted my money, I’d be a bit annoyed, but it’s kinda collateral damage. I accept that maybe 1 in 4 purchase of brand new models might not be for me and that it’s worth it to find the right shoe in the scheme of things. So. Onto the next%. I couldn’t disagree more with Seth and some of the other reviewers on this shoe. Firstly, the build quality on my new black ones is superb. I’ve seen videos showing shoddy workmanship and finishing. We’re these genuine? Or maybe they were early or pre-production versions? Or just a bad batch. I don’t know, but mine look, and feel very premium. I just went for an 8 mile tempo on a wet road. I’m 50, so my tempo pace is 6:30 to 7:10 miles. At that pace I thought the ride was very confidence inspiring. The wide heel and forefoot provide huge lateral stability, decent grip (I didn’t slip like at least one other reviewer complained about) and a compliant ride. They are not cushy like a full zoom x alpha or vapor next% but I found them firm, grippy and energetic. The roll is very natural but less aggressive than the carbon plate (a bit more forgiving). The heel strike is comfortable but not squishy and the forefoot spring and rebound very strong. The arch is neutral and not pronounced so not good if you need more support. I have a medium arch and they are absolutely perfect for me. The heel grip and upper are great. No hot spots or movement for me. The soles do slap the pavement a bit because the outsoles are clearly engineered for more miles. I had headphones in so didn’t hear them much but I can see that if you were listening to them then might affect your perception of the shoe. Overall I think they are a big upgrade on the peg 2 turbos (of which I’ve burned through 3 pairs). They are very different, but if you’ve run a race in the alphas they are, indeed a good training partner to them. For the record, I have 5 shoe models in rotation, and run about 2300 miles a year. I think I’ve approached assessing these shoes neutrally. I was fully prepared to come on here and agree with you. But I cannot. I’d give them four stars out of five and I’d recommend them to others based on info about their running (I’m 5’ 11’, 145 lbs, and run half and full marathons).
These have become my favourite fast trainer and I own the Endorphin Speeds (among many other shoes). Agree it’s worth trying, although it might take a few runs to get used to the feel if you’ve never run in Alphaflys or shoe with pods in forefoot. (Also didn’t get along with the Rincons 😕)
You need to take apart a pair of speeds and see how resilient and flexible the nylon plate is in that one and the TC compared to this one! Mine arrived today so will give them a whirl tomorrow 👌
Interesting that my pair (that I got from Nike) has different looking insoles than Seth's. On mine, one shoe has ZOOM in big lettering and the other side has a big Nike Swoosh.
I love these shoes. I don't even notice the heavier weight. They feel really smooth to me and with the Air Pods it pushes me up to my midfoot. I love the Flyknit and the overall fit of the shoe. I weigh 125 lbs and they work perfect for me. I have bought two pairs!!
In fairness it’s one of those shoes that gets a lot better with age. It’s quite a slappy shoe to start with and makes a clog kind of sound. A year later and they’re loads better for some reason
Received this yesterday and took it for a 5k ride and a speed run. I liked the fit. Breathable. Comfy. Locked down. Fast. I was putting in the same effort for a faster pace. Only downside for me was it was hard. I think it is the thick rubber in the forefoot? Not much give at all and my legs were not happy. I much prefer the NB TC elite. Super soft, responsive and fast, though not as fast as this. I really want to love the shoe as i found it comfy, fast and i love the colourway but it was just too hard.
Funny, I bought them recently and I think they’re fantastic. I think they are incredibly cushioned and bouncy, have no problem with the upper, and I wear feetures socks. No problems with blisters. The stack height is like a hoka one one bondi so for those that don’t like a high stack, probably not the shoe for you.
@@script-7318 recommended able for someone who runs a mile at 10.5 mph pace and is trying to increase his pace? Also for someone who runs 2-3 miles at 9.5 mph pace?
One thing I like about these shoes is because of the extra weight, it keeps me from overstriding and increases my cadence, my cadence in the nike pegasus 38, and most other running shoes I wore were in between 163-166 but with these it is around 170 and it was 175 last week when I ran my PR 5k of 17:59, and I think the shoe raising my cadence while also having a good bounce helped me a lot to get that PR
I just bought the shoes and I love them. I just ran my first half marathon in them by myself and I thought they felt really good. I was able to go 7:10 pace without a struggle.
I love looking at shoe constructions! It would be really interesting to interview a product manager and ask about their design decisions when analyzing the various parts.
Seth if you didn’t pay $200 for this, it’s probably fake. There isn’t any discount on the next% line up yet so no way any retailer can sell below that price.
My biggest disappointment for a shoe purchase for 2020 was the Nike React Infinity Run. I bought them because of the claim that they help to prevent injuries, but every time I wear them for more than 5 or 6 miles I end up with blisters on my achilles. Just to wear them I end up having to put a band-aid on my feet, so I usually only wear them when I do short second run on a day (for like 3 or 4 miles). That said, I like the Saucony Endorphin Speed’s so much that I’ve purchased 3 pairs already. Today I got the first pair to around 170 miles, and I love them as much in that mile as I did on mile 1.
What a bummer, I was excited for this one to join the pack of "almost super shoes" that have really pushed the envelope in 2020. Looks like the Endorphin Speed still rules the roost.
QD: New Balance Fuelcell TC. Absolutely did not work for me whatsoever. The lateral flare really exacerbated some otherwise mild over-pronation issues I have. Bought it from the NB website, so I couldn't return it after trying it out on a run. I was able to sell the shoes on eBay but I still ended up losing money. Grumble grumble.
I have this shoes for two months and there rockets. I brought a second one because of how good they were. I dont understand why you cant run properly with them. I personally recommend the shoe to everyone its just amazing
QD: for me the alphafly was actually the most disappointing considering the price. They felt too clunky to me for a race shoe & properly turnover. They made me realize that just how truly awesome the Vaporfly next% are. The tempos worked good for me in steady hill runs where the additional power in each step “activated” the ride more. I’m also 170lb tho so I can definitely see the weight being a major factor. These would probably be great had Nike tuned the air pod pressures according to shoe size. These zoom pods are very similar to what they used in some lebron shoes (albeit different pressures), and he’s a powerful guy in an explosive sport... so they’re definitely durable for sure.
@@RowOfMushyTiT Yep, Kipchoge is my height at 167 cm and weighs 52kg. That's about 10kg lighter than me. So it's probably more about speed because he's damned faster than me.
Completely agree on the clunky feel, I think I used "clown shoes or boats under foot" in my description of the Alphafly. thanks for dropping a comment.
Purple Helmeted Yogurt Slinger good point but I wouldn’t be surprised if his alphas were tuned differently tho. I’m guessing he prob generate more power for his weight than the avg runner to “activate” the shoe. Plus that 2hr pace is not a real “turnover” pace (e.g. 5k pace) for him, if that makes sense. Alphas are definitely still good shoes tho compared to other Carbon shoes on the market, I’m just saying it was kind of a let down after the Vaporfly next%. The next% just feels so much more cohesive and you feel one with those shoes rather than always noticing the alphaflys are on your feet.
I guess that's why they keep the Vaporfly in the line up. I run with the VF and these are by far the fastest running shoes i ever used BUT i also struggle in the the VF because my technique and biomecanics are not as good as the best. These are shoes i find hard to correctly run in. I did not run in the Alphafly (don't have unlimited money :) ) but just looking at those i know i could simply mash and run well in these, without imbalances and excess stress on joints.
Not often I watch a review of a shoe before I have tested it but certainly Seth seems very underwhelmed but this one. As a taller but very light runner I shall be keen to try my pair out tomorrow. Would the hot water have altered the rigidity of the plate a little perhaps? Hope you didn’t blunt any of True Loves kitchen utensils Seth 🤣
I think they have a pretty specific use. They’re definitely heavy, but the midsole is pretty “powerful”. Tbh I definitely agree that lighter runners like Seth would not like these shoes. They felt really good to me for runs where stride length and power is the focus. It’s definitely noticeably harder to turnover in these, but I also had the same feeling about the alphaflys compared to the vaporflys. For me these worked really well on gradual and sustained hills where you run with a little bit of power. On really steep hills the high stack kind of get in the way of turning over. These also feel like they’ll last for a loooioong time I do like these better than the zoom flys.
Purple Helmeted Yogurt Slinger Yeah, I think it really depends on your weight and how many shoes are in your rotation. I like to have shoes for different uses so these slot in a specific niche for me. The heavier the broader the use range would be I think. For me personally, these felt great for steady climbs or rolling runs. I can probably use them for a tempo too but they didn’t feel like they quite want to turn over on the flats (same feeling I had in the alphaflys). It’s kind of like a quality 12” roast slicer where it feels really good for a specific task only. Definitely not a chef’s knife or santoku.
Trust me the Tempo Next% is the best Nike running shoe available for guys that are not 52kg Eliud Kipchoge size. I weigh about 92kg (gym bro) and Vaporflys are simply unusable for my bodymass. I sold mine after a 20km run that left me with severe forefoot pain cause the narrow heel section collapsed in every direction possible and led to a very unnatural torsion of my whole foot. So every heavy runner should get either the Alphafly2 or the Tempo Next%. Alphafly1 and Vaporflys are the best way for getting a lot of ligament problems because of their ridiculously narrow and soft heel construction.
Mine took ard 50 miles to break in. I completely agree with the shoe controlling your run part. You’ll have to contact the ground in a very specific (leaning forward) angle to feel the air zoom pods. I was skeptics at first because it felt kinda clunky and heavy. But I ran a PR two days ago during a work out. They made the tempo speeds so easy for me. I would have appreciated a lighter weight, but these are pretty solid tempo shoes. FYI: 150 lbs 5”10. Size 11
Basically I don't wanna remember this year. Nike RenewRun was first purchase and after a 1 km it cut my Achilles- like it was sword. I think that scaling from small to big foot is something designers don't get well. Some parts must have stronger , firmer pillars, needles, pockets if you like, so that arch of foot have certain ease while running. They have destroyed perfect low budget shoe by making back of shoe angled and strong. Every other back of shoe in Nike arsenal have straight and not angled back. I have long foot. US 13. 31cm. And shoe was acting like trap. Heel , I mean back of shoe is very hard, not as soft as in Adidas. Adidas as Under Armor practices cutting out that part near Achilles. Less triboelectricity, static parasitic currents that make blisters, cuts. Bottom of RenewRun is heavy. And drop from heel to toe should be 8mm (maybe more). I don't remember exact drop, but it has high heel that is making you, sorry forcing you to run and not walk. It is ok. I don't see issue there. But because of all that heaviness and extra Lunarlone around heel( Infinity design), as you see on fortified middle age castles and angled back of that plastics or metal towards Achilles..it basically is trap that hurts like hell. Press middle with ach and that is it. I had luck. They gave me money back. I would be more happy if they could cut that middle region of back. Anyways.. Another thing is it is very warm shoe. After 1 km my sock was wet like if I put in the pool. It was raining day before and moisture was present. But I am telling you: Under Armour Sonic 2 upper is my choice every time over any of the Nike's. Nike is doing brilliant, genius, pioneer work on middle cushion section, and Under Armour on upper. Socks in Under Amour Sonic 2 were always dry. I could felt warmth of asphalt on very warm summer days- like lava and some extra statics there, but any shoe would act on 40 degrees of Celsius similarly. Under Armour Machina shoe laces are like soft teddy bear. Another score for UA. Under Armour Sonic 2 was other purchase. It has an amazing upper. Upper is simply the UA thing. HOVR is under heel and not front?! Wtf UA?! I made mistake by paying more for older version and not new Machina. Another thing after 3 weeks of running- front , which is Charged or EVA broke. By watching from outside one cannot tell. But inside was like when you put plastics in fire and add oxigen - and than watch how form is deformed. I have extra kilos( than I had 114 kg and now 105 kg). I bougth these instead of Machina which was cheaper because of the feeling I have had when I entered it for the first time. Also there is a engineering problem with their cushion. HOVR olefin is enclosed in net is not so good idea of cushion. Here is why. It is like honey in plastic bag, and than fortified with Eva around. Basically firmness is Eva. And we know how bad Eva is for running. They talk about softness..but let me tell you ..there is no softness there. Buy Duramo 9 and feel how hard it is. Germany done good chemistry job with both Eva and Boost. So when Eva hardness lose that firm grip that honey is spilled all around and basically all cushion is gone. I love the design, colors, but those are more for causal than real marathon. I mean I would choose Nike every time over Asics, UA or Adidas. But Asics with gels is doing far better construction job than UA. I tried Boost 19 once and Solar Boost. Amazing. But for running I don't know. Maybe?! I am glad that runners have more options thou. And I hope that new iterations will be better. Nike Peg 37 was another choice. But price is 155$ (and everywhere else in world 119$) was no brainer. But I have tried shoe in store. It looks gentle to me. But who knows. I have a friend that used Peg Turbo 2 since February and after half year of running, 30 km every day except Monday for recovery lazy walk day..it look like new. what?! I know. I don't think that rubber is any shorter that when it left factory. And he has at least 30 kg less..That is scaling.. Content can't be same for different weights that pressure down nearly same area..Basically I bought UA Sonic 2 instead of Peg 37 because at time I had no number. I am looking forward to Peg 38. I saw AirZoom Structure 23 as soft edition. Thanks for suggesting Achilles issue and shoes for less painful running. Hoperfully my financial situation will become better. I don't have much of choosing in between good running shoes eve if I had money. That sucks. Another thing is that every shoe that leaves factory cost around 40$ and in stores it is 4 times or less of that price. I would like to see less freedom in using Eva and more in using real materials that put runner's health as priority. But it is just my fantasy. Because people simple agree with any shitty shoe and poverty over joyfull running experience. In highly polluted areas with heat plants and small houses "options" running on fresh air is real priviledge. I am little angry of myself not being smart enough to change things for better. I don't know if people around the world is aware of how many billions of $ is pent of heating plants, filters and all other lies of energy crisis... Cutting Gordian know never was easy and for easily fainted. Running- I look upon it as adding health. And I am asking myself: " what kind of priviledge is having couple of shoes for running? (beside roof, meal, clothes, job)" Another thing..about basketball shoes( not offtopic)..Nobody is making outdoor shoe. Because of all that Eva cushion which last a month or less and I have never been wittness to many more Achilles issues from playing street ball basketball among friends and others that play. After all that expensive "softness" we have serious problem to solve. And I know that standard for runner shoe is way above of that for baskeball. So there it is.. There are many options to add from running to basketball. Beside extra rubber for outdoor basketball shoe. And runner shoes have a lot to explore and change. Foam, bubble, carbon dust, triboelectrical net in cushion, rubber springs, maybe even aerogels, and some other tensegrity rope systems, you name it. All best and happy running!
I don’t know what Nike is doing but with this year releases they are going backwards. The Alphafly is ok, but still think Vapourfly is better. Instead of making lighter, more forgiving shoes with natural feel, they come up with these ugly heavy shoes. I prefer the old models of Nike. The Nike Pegasus Trail, great trail shoe, they just had to replace midsole to react and make the upper a bit lighter and more breathable. They destroyed it by making the Trail 2 instead. Same with Pegasus 36. Not impressed by Nike at all. That’s why my new lineup will be Asics Glideride, Saucony Endorphin Speed and Hoka EVO Speedgoat goretex. I’m still hoping the Vomero 15 will be updated in the good direction.
Watched this one and the ones about the alphaflys - as a 6 foot, 160lbs marathoner... i'm happy to add an ounce to a shoe for the increase in cushion on the landing. after running Boston a few years back in Lunar Tempos, I learned quickly how much shoes can make a difference over that many miles. The Next%'s were great and although I havent raced in the AlphaFlys yet, I'm confident it will be a huge upgrade for me in terms of reducing the impact of each step. I think you're exactly right with regards to being too light to appreciate the added cushion+rigidity. I would love to see a video comparing the Pegasus turbo to some of these shoes (Nike Tempo Next%, endorphin speed, Brooks hyperion tempo). I have been using the Turbo Pegs for tempos/fast long runs... so I'm a little confused as to what Nike is doing with this shoe...
Actually the shoes in the outlets (for Nike at least) aren’t rejects. We shipped them from the regular Nike stores to outlets. They just use outlets to move product fast that didn’t sell as quickly as the best colors or models. It’s actually a good way to get the shoes you want. Some of the shoes are also brought in as buy backs from places like Kohl’s or other cheaper retailers for low grade models. Rest assured, you can get first quality in outlets from Nike. (I don’t work for them anymore either)
Thanks for the review Seth. Your views with the Tempo sounds like my experience with the Pegasus 37. It's a shame the Tempo are replacing the Turbo 2's. The Turbo 2's are a great running shoe!
These don’t look legit, neither the react or zoom x have that level of stiffness especially after 40 miles. That midsole is very poorly constructed, where are these from? Replica sites have been selling these like crazy...
QD: Pegasus 37’s. I did enjoy the midsole, however, I could never get a good lockdown no matter what I tried and as a resident of the Southeastern US, the upper felt too thick and too hot during and after runs. I wanted to enjoy it, but my feet mostly always felt like I dipped them in fire after each run.
I'm honestly guessing thats fake... my experience with zoom x foam is that its super soft and comfy so I'm not sure whats going on with this one. Maybe try again when it is actually released on the nike website?
I test many shoes 1) Hoka Carbon X - Very comfortable feel, but after 20k my feets hurt 2) Alphafly - Feel very bulky and not lightweight for racing 3) Vaporfly next% - For me they are best racing shoes ever! 4) Tempo next% - For speed training they are not bad, but Prise 200$ is too much for it 5) Pegasus 37 - Normal daily trainer at gravel 6) Pegasus 36 Trail - Very comfortable and lightweight for trail running 7) Nike wildhorse 6 - Not bad, but pegs are more comfortable 8) Hoka Rincon 2 - Feels more lightweight and cushioned than Carbon X. Also speed is same. !!!The winner is Vaporfly Next%!!!
So whens the SJD cook book coming out? Looks like shoe soup tonight😅. QD: bought a pair of Saucony kinvara 10s which felt great for 2/3 miles and then would cause hot spots underneath my big toe. Luckily thay worked great for my daughter.
Have you tried the Kinvara 11s? I really want to try the Kinvaras, if I do I will have to make a video about them. Hope you found some shoes that work well!
Pegasus 37 was my biggest disappointment. Felt like 2 midsoles, a bad react section in the heel then I actually liked the zoom in the forefoot, I’d go back to full length zoom if I was Nike?
It has been a long while since I have had luck with Nike. I often get suckered in by their marketing and sexy looks, but it’s Brooks and Hoka for this turdburger.
Pretty sure they played a significant role in me aggravating my Achilles too. With similar extra cushioning to that in this video, it seemed to create pressure on where the tendon joins the heel which I’ve been trying to shake off through resting for weeks now!
This is why we shouldn't put to much emphasis on shoe reviews. I LOVE the Beacon 1 and 2. By far my favorite shoe of the last couple of years or so. I am around 180lb. 6ft 3 toe striker and they just seem to work wjth my footstrike - I love that it is so flexible, they seem to disappear under my feet. My toes seem to like flexing around 90 degrees to the sole of my feet on toe off. I've even run a marathon in them. My next favorite is the Razor 3 which is similar. And I don't get a long with stiffer shoes with a rocker - the Gliderides were a heavy fail for me, for instance.
I got the Beacon 2, I was thinking the same but I changed a bit my footstrike (faster cadence, shorter stride length) and I used them a few times and I think they are a bit softer now. I much prefer the Nike Turbo 2 and Zoom Fly 3 but they are not that bad. Sometimes I wonder if I'm just not strong enough (yet) for some firmer shoes ... (I'm light and run fast)
I’m hoping like you said, it just takes some time to break in, but so far I’ve been disappointed with my Tempo Next%. It doesn’t feel like the AlphaFly and is pretty firm and can feel clunky at slower paces.
I think the biggest tip from this video is to not run 20 odd miles in a brand new shoe, sounds like you had a torrid time with them. Good honest review as always Seth :)
I listen to a lot of ShoeTubers (Seth, Kofuzi, EddBud, FOD Runner, Emily Heller, Ginger Runner, Believe in the Run) so I tend to avoid making any big mistakes in my purchases. That said, from a value standpoint, I’ve been underwhelmed by the FuelCell TC’s. At $200, I think they should be lighter and snappier than they feel to me.
QD: Hoka clifton 6 was so narrow that my feet would start going numb after a few minutes. Despite reviews saying it was wider than the 5, and I dont need a wide size in any other shoe :(
Hi Seth, great video, Before I get to your question of the day, I agree with you about the Tempo Next %. I brought a pair, which after testing them thought I would sell, but then I discovered I destroyed my 10k PB in this shoe so I kept it for any 10k races I enter. It did seem a really fast shoe, maybe its a placebo thing but.....Any way most dissapointing shoe of 2020 was the Brooks Ghost 13. A lot of runners I know swore by it. I had never had a pair so was looking for an easy day/long miles shoe and thought why not. After buying a pair I was thoroughly dissappointed. They just felt flat and dead to me. So much so that after just 6 miles into an easy run my legs felt tired and I was struggling to run in them. I cut the run short, went home and changed into a different shoe and continued with the run. I repeated it 4 times over the next few months, just to be sure and it was the same every time. I am sure the Ghost is a great shoe, but for me it just didnt work out. Great channel.
hello, me in any case I just received them yesterday, I have the impression that they are great shoes, put on the feet I don't want to be separated from them anymore! incredible the power they provide underfoot! I feel like I could jump more than two meters! I have to try them on Tuesday while circling Paris once again ... or 35km, but this time at night ... nice to have shown the interior of such a machine ...
I buy ultraboost 19 coz the big discount. After first strike, Feels terrible like the road pounding my foot real hard. No bounce at all. i now appreciate my infinity run, carbonx, rincon, novablast even maxroad 4 greatly which is very supportive, bouncy, comfortable. Really open my eyes how these shoes really affecting performance.
I think the easy way to check if it’s a fake is to check the UPC code attached on the shoes. Also the code has to be the same to the one print on the box.
This is my first comment on a Seth James review and I’d like to know why I didn’t watch your review BEFORE I bought these Tempos because the review is SPOT ON! Seriously, these were the best feeling shoes I ever put on my feet. Snug, but comfortable, roomy in the toe, but not slushy. Firm, but cushioned. I loved these shoes right up to the point that they started to wreck my left foot. I was 12 miles into a run, pacing a friend through a Marathon, when my foot started to hurt. I stuck with it through 16 miles after which I could barely walk the last six blocks home. Weeks later, my foot is almost recovered. Was still wondering whether I should give the shoes a last try when I watched this review. Thanks!
QD: New Balance shoes that I know are or were great shoes just don’t seem to work with my feet and mechanics. Mainly I find myself between sizes on them. So it’s not a reflection on NB but rather just not a good fit for me. HOKA also didn’t work well for me in the long run (literally). The Rincon was my kind of shoe in terms of light weight and firmer midsole, but even though my feet aren’t wide I got a slight callous (semi-blister) on the inner side of both big toe metatarsals. Moreover, the midsoles started feeling flat after 150 miles. Nike is such an empire. I’ve never felt like their shoes were a good fit for me either; there are so many fabulous shoes now to choose from. It feels like they’re dumping mediocre and even lousy models into the marketplace lately to ride on the coattails of their success with the Vaporfly series and rein in their brand-loyal buyers, while controlling the availability of the Vaporfly’s to play hard-to-get. To me it would be a turnoff even if I did love their shoes.
QD: It has to be the AlphaFLY. They totally felt like two different shoes that had been stuck together. Soft and squishy in the back and hard and clumpy in the front. Couldn’t send them back quick enough.
So just had a pair of these delivered today from Nike and ran a 5k test to garner first impressions. Funnily enough the run was actually a damn good advert for the NB Fuel Cell TC. Ran a 10M TT in the Fuel Cell this morning getting a PB and my legs felt OK this evening 😂😂 First impression of the Tempo Next % were they are OK. Noisy underfoot and tight in the toe box so hoping the upper stretches a bit. No problems at 5k with the heel and lockdown was good. I don’t have the Alphaflys (yet) so cant compare but at the minute actually think I prefer Zoom Fly 3 for tempo/intervals but time will tell These were £169 through NIke App so more expensive than Zoom Fly 3 by £30 QD On CloudFlow - just didn’t get on with them
QOD: Nike Pegasus Turbo 2. I got them thinking it'd be a slightly better improvement over my Pegasus 35 Turbos which I loved. The foam is just not as soft as the 35 Turbos and I found it to be less comfortable in the upper as well as less breatheable. I'm still using them in my training but I'd give the Turbo 2s a 6.5/10 versus 9/10 for the 35 Turbos.
Believe it or not I returned my Endorphin Speeds just a couple weeks ago because I was convinced they were fake. Although I didn’t dissect them, for $160 the external construction was terrible, the shoes just felt funny when I put them on, and lastly when I scanned the bar code on the box they came in it gave me an error saying it didn’t exist. I did not purchase them from Saucony but have been in contact with them and they confirmed the shoes aren’t fakes and apologized for the quality. I have ordered another pair from the online retailer I use and am now waiting another two months to confirm if they are better.
Would agree with you regarding weight of person , and yes you are right, they are quite dominating and require to be pushed before they start to behave, I’ve never enjoyed a light run in these but when I run at pace these shoes really come to life! so they really do live up to their namesake, tempo is the most rewarding way for me whenever I run in these, only annoying element is the noisy slapping sound of the sole when running
My most disappointing purchase was the Brooks Ghost 12. I didn’t pay full price good job really. I found the midsole very hard not very forgiving. I’m a heavier runner so I was surprised it was such a firm midsole. The drop is also a problem 12mm is too aggressive played havoc with my shins and calves. The quality of some of the Nike premium shoes is shocking. For the price you pay and for the fact they release them in batches they should be top quality.
QD: Nike Pegasus 37s for me. They felt great out of the box and I enjoyed the first hundred or two kilometers in them this summer, but then I just slowly fell out of love with them. Just started feeling more like a brick over time and so was neither comfortable enough for slow easy days nor light enough for tempo/faster days. Putting them more or less on early semi-retirement at 350km, but the outsole still looks wonderful, so will still keep them around for very wet days or for road/trail crossover adventures (and casual wear).
I was always under the impression that real shoes don’t glue their insoles in. All of my Hoka’s, Saucony’s and NB (7 pairs of shoe) have insoles that come right out. I did a quick google search and the “shoe expert” said brands do not glue in their insole. The best way to see if it’s fake is to check if it’s glued. Never have a glued insole. 🤷♂️💯
Hoka definitely glues in some of their insoles. Nike did on some models too. I work in run specialty and used to work for Nike, and have seen new directly shipped from the manufacturer with glued in insoles. The Hoka Clifton Edge is glued in.
Justin Paynter all vaporflys and Alphaflys have insoles glued. these could be fakes. real ones of these colors can be bought on the Nike UK web site and like Asia.
Just to let you now, I just got a pair. Quality is fantastic and not like some of the early reviewers experiences. I’ll take them for a run later and see what I think! First impressions are good.
Adidas Adizero Pro... failed to give a pop like we have gotten used to from other carbon shoes. Sent them back as unless I was doing 5:30mm tempo session it just wasn't that comfortable either.
QD: the Nike Pegasus 37, terrible terrible lockdown, the heel counter has been shorten for reason that are not understanable and makes the heel moving unless you tight so hard the shoes that you feet hurts,
QD: Hoka Rincon. I really wanted to like this shoe. I loved how light and bouncy it felt. But my foot felt like it was floating in it. I went true to previous Hoka sizes. I MIGHT consider trying a size down but I have narrow feet and maybe this just isn't the shoe for me. :(
Rincon also tops the list of disappointments for me. If you didn't like it, I wouldn't spend more time messing around with sizing; Hokas are just big, maximalist shoes. Also couldn't stand how quickly the outsole degrades+midsole loses its pop. Mine were absolutely finished at 200 miles or so. That's not much better than what I'd get from Vaporflys!
7:40 this is the clip that makes me think they could be fake. I work at a shoe shop and have never seen the foam crease this much from the weight of a person, and seth is a light guy.
It’s not a full blown training shoe, it’s fast tempo shoe, the faster the tempo the better the ride, I love it, gets me up those hills and puts a little spring in my step. I am 62 and I need that extra spring
QD: My biggest disappointment was the Altra Timp 2. Midsole just is very harsh for me. Will make a good hiking shoe but has not been comfortable on trail runs that I bought it for. Second place would be the Rincon, but that was a fit issue. Cliftons just fit me a lot better, so I was able to exchange.
QD; my worst purchase had to be the NB 1080v10. Although super comfortable and a great looking shoe, it just didn't do the job when out on the roads. As with many other reviews, I had similar issues with it being too soft and it felt like I was sinking into the shoe. I'm 71kg, so not a heavy runner. My legs ached from my hips all the way to my feet. Ended up buying the 880v10, with no issues.
Tempo Next % did make me run faster (that's the main concern for me tbh), but they are really loud and quite heavy compared to turbo 2 which I recently purchased at a great discount at Nike website (costing $100 only!). Tempo Next % was said to be a replacement for turbo 2 but they are just completely 2 separate creatures (one being very thick, cushioned, and the other being very thin, reactive)
My 2020 worst purchase. New Balance Fuelcell Prism. I have a bad knee. One of my foots strikes neutral and the other overpronates so I run in neutral and stability shoes. These were suppose to provide both. I just did five miles in them. I was down for two days. Now I can't get rid of them.
I just bought the Clifton 7 (3 days ago) and I feel my knees way better. I have run 2 times in them, one 8km run and today a 10km run. Until now, all seems in the right direction regarding this shoe. Btw, have you tried the Saucony Endorphin Speed? Thanks
I have these shoes as well. Used them twice. Agree with your statement that the shoe controlled me, and not the other way around. Also they are soooo loud. It is embarrassing running in them, the slapping sound when they hit the pavement. Started noticing pain in my groin after two days with these. Probably not related, but it ended up being Gilmore's groin.
Hey Seth, to be completely honest I think the pair you bought is fake. I live in hong kong where these have already released and I've had my pair for about a month now (bought them at retail) and put around 75 miles on them. There were a couple things I noticed from your video that made me think yours were fake. The first is the upper on yours looked much looser/sloppier (as you said) than the pair I have. My pair has more of a zoom fly 2 shape and doesn't feel sloppy at all (though it's slightly roomy in the front)- its very well constructed and fits nice. The second thing I noticed was the insole, it's completely different than the one in my shoe. The insole on my pair is actually the same as the insole on the turbo 2s where it says ZOOM. Also, the box being a different colour was strange too, mine was black. I know you test so many shoes you can't stay on one shoe too long, but I do think its a bit of an injustice to give a verdict on the tempos when yours seemingly have problems. For what its worth, I really like my pair though I know others may not feel the same way.
Everyone in the US is getting white boxes, same with UK, so that’s interesting. Compared to other pictures and videos I do think they are real now and official weight of shoe is in line with the advertised size 9. Tough call. If they are fake, I’m impressed with the build quality that is for sure.
QD: Nike Pegasus 36 Trail. Lacks cushion and worthless on most scenarios where grip is needed. Might as well run in road shoes. Not sure I can trust buying the Peg Trail 2’s unless they made them a actual trail shoe rather than the road shoe with lugs slapped on.
I got my pair yesterday and couldn’t have had a more different experience. They didn’t feel as fast as Next% (unsurprisingly as they’re not in that category) but the ride felt very lively so I’m fairly sure the midsole was working properly. FYI I’m on the bigger side for a runner at 6’ and 160 lbs (at my fastest at about 154, but I’ve over-indulged lately with the lack of racing). Probably 35 minute 10k sort of shape right now, but I tested these shoes at a steady 6:40 pace.
Nike seems to put out a lot of okay shoes at high prices. Enjoyed the Peg 36, but they only lasted 300 miles. Compare that to the Brooks Glycerin 18, which barely have any wear after 140 miles..
The Hoka Mach 2 was kind of disappointing because it kind of wore out really fast. When I first got it, the feel was good, but kind of firm. But after only 80 miles, the insole was destroyed and started blistering my feet. The midsole rocker also started to go away at that time which made the shoe no longer feel fast
Late to it but QD: ASICS Novablast. Can't get a lock down in it so my foot feels unstable. I then get plantar ache when out in it. Going to take the laces out from an old reliable pair as some have said that makes the difference.
Easiest way to tell fake nike are by their zoom pod units, the real pair have nylon fiber on it, looks like a bunch of string while the fake pair have some kind of airmax pilar type on their zoom pod.
Skechers gorun ride 8. Not a bad shoe by any means, but it’s heavier, bulkier, clunkier, and doesn’t offer near as smooth of a ride as Skechers gorun ride 7
I have heard from a number of people recently who say their Nike’s just aren’t up to standard. In both casual and running shoes. Not sure if it’s different factories or different standards to keep up with demands... but the quality is certainly down by all reports...which makes me very hesitant to purchase any for a while.
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This is why it’s good to have a reviewer without sponsors. Honest reviews.
Is that a silver creek jersey in your profile?
@@nickatnite16 Nothing unfair about it. If you understood the extent and sophistication of counterfeit manufacturing and laundering (even through Nike-owned bricks and mortar shopfronts!) you'd realise that there's almost no certainty that many shoes are authentic these days. That Seth admitted his suspicions but on balance concluded the shoes were authentic AFTER CUTTING THEM OPEN speaks volumes about his integrity and rigour
@@dontqq29 in what way? My Nike Tempos have logos on the insoles too. You need to be crystal clear on your reasons for contradicting Seth, who holds the shoes in his hand, wears them, and cuts them into pieces - vs you looking at them on your screen, prompted to label them fakes merely because Seth has raised the question himself. SJD reviews running shoes for a living, is completely independent and self-evidently appears to be measured and fair-minded. Dare I suggest that you wouldn't be claiming they're fakes if he hadn't raised the possibility before discounting it?
@@dontqq29 pls post links to the clips/images/pages that you believe clearly demonstrate they're fakes. You're essentially asserting, with zero evidence, that SJD is an idiot. No reasonable person could reach that conclusion from consuming a modicum of his content, indicating to me that you have a stake in claiming he was duped. So you're probably a Nike or related employee/contractor, likely from a PR firm who've been covertly briefed to limit the damage
Malcolm Turnbear Def. didn’t mean to come off that Seth is an idiot. I’ve bought fakes before. I’ve removed my previous posts! I’d like to believe he has the real ones after letting the lucky sasha who is familiar with fake Nike shoe construction watch the vid...the plate being orange vs black just seems odd. The lucky Sasha utuber says these are real since the insoles are made of recycled material vs a fake one not being like that
I don't think Seth's weight would be a factor in the performance of the shoe. All of the elite East African runners are small and light.
That and if any light female runners buy the shoe they'll likely weigh even less
But that's also assuming that elite athletes would choose this clunker as a temlo day shoe
@@taylorcaldwell8277 Female shoes have different pressure inside
These are not made for them. They are made for average joe runner. the elites are running in different shoes like the alphafly. But these are good for what they are made for, everyday training shoes. They are not made for speed only
Lightweight runners - record setting, fast, fleet footed, etc
Heavier runners (like myself) - slower, but feeling more confident that I am getting better energy return from my race shoes 😎
I think you actually bought them fakes. They look off, they are close to the original but not quite. The glued insole does not really mean they are authentic.
Yes. Glued insoles is very strange? Every single pair of Nike Running shoes that me and my wife have purchased directly from Nike (Peg 37's, Zoom Fly 3's, Next %) have all had removeable insoles - not glued) Given that these weren't directly from Nike, I can't help but think they maybe fakes
If they are fake you won't find nylon plate in them,if they are replicas you'll find all genuine materials in them like in original ones.Replica shoes have 98-98% same properties but they are cheaper.
You cannot buy fake or replica Nike Tempo Next% on the internet for $200.They always be a way cheaper..
@@juliankeren5731 replicas are still fakes tho
julian keren of course you could buy fakes for $200. Websites sell fakes for marked up prices all the time as real. This is probably a fake
I saw another reviewer he said on turn the insole would sometimes slip so it isnt supposed to be glued
So, having watched and read so many reviews on this shoe I thought I’d try it. I’ve run in the 4%, VF next% and the alphafly. All different and all excellent in different ways. I’ve also bought a couple of pairs of shoes I didn’t get along with in the last year or so. The Pegasus 36 and the Hoka Rincon (fun, light, but low quality upper that gave me blisters). So while I’ve liked some Nike products, I wouldn’t class myself as a ‘fanboy’ and was prepared to not like the tempo next%. If I’d wasted my money, I’d be a bit annoyed, but it’s kinda collateral damage. I accept that maybe 1 in 4 purchase of brand new models might not be for me and that it’s worth it to find the right shoe in the scheme of things. So. Onto the next%. I couldn’t disagree more with Seth and some of the other reviewers on this shoe. Firstly, the build quality on my new black ones is superb. I’ve seen videos showing shoddy workmanship and finishing. We’re these genuine? Or maybe they were early or pre-production versions? Or just a bad batch. I don’t know, but mine look, and feel very premium. I just went for an 8 mile tempo on a wet road. I’m 50, so my tempo pace is 6:30 to 7:10 miles. At that pace I thought the ride was very confidence inspiring. The wide heel and forefoot provide huge lateral stability, decent grip (I didn’t slip like at least one other reviewer complained about) and a compliant ride. They are not cushy like a full zoom x alpha or vapor next% but I found them firm, grippy and energetic. The roll is very natural but less aggressive than the carbon plate (a bit more forgiving). The heel strike is comfortable but not squishy and the forefoot spring and rebound very strong. The arch is neutral and not pronounced so not good if you need more support. I have a medium arch and they are absolutely perfect for me. The heel grip and upper are great. No hot spots or movement for me. The soles do slap the pavement a bit because the outsoles are clearly engineered for more miles. I had headphones in so didn’t hear them much but I can see that if you were listening to them then might affect your perception of the shoe. Overall I think they are a big upgrade on the peg 2 turbos (of which I’ve burned through 3 pairs). They are very different, but if you’ve run a race in the alphas they are, indeed a good training partner to them. For the record, I have 5 shoe models in rotation, and run about 2300 miles a year. I think I’ve approached assessing these shoes neutrally. I was fully prepared to come on here and agree with you. But I cannot. I’d give them four stars out of five and I’d recommend them to others based on info about their running (I’m 5’ 11’, 145 lbs, and run half and full marathons).
These have become my favourite fast trainer and I own the Endorphin Speeds (among many other shoes). Agree it’s worth trying, although it might take a few runs to get used to the feel if you’ve never run in Alphaflys or shoe with pods in forefoot. (Also didn’t get along with the Rincons 😕)
You need to take apart a pair of speeds and see how resilient and flexible the nylon plate is in that one and the TC compared to this one! Mine arrived today so will give them a whirl tomorrow 👌
Andy - we need your video review on these duff pups!!
Having seen your strava....I think you thoughts will be veryyyyy similar to Seths 😂😂 #shitshoe
Ianhendo76 very similar indeed!
Ioan Charnley-Parry gonna try for tonorrow, if not Wednesday!
Ben Parkes seems to like them
Interesting that my pair (that I got from Nike) has different looking insoles than Seth's. On mine, one shoe has ZOOM in big lettering and the other side has a big Nike Swoosh.
Same
Thanks for the honest review Seth, you just saved me 200 bucks!
Thanks for watching Scott 👟👟
What if they are fake? He should have waited for the real ones to be available, this review won’t age well.
@@eastside1997 exactly the weight of them is a lot lighter than his review
I just bought these shoes, I’m 160 pounds and had the exact arch problem, these shoes give you no arch support
I love these shoes. I don't even notice the heavier weight. They feel really smooth to me and with the Air Pods it pushes me up to my midfoot. I love the Flyknit and the overall fit of the shoe. I weigh 125 lbs and they work perfect for me. I have bought two pairs!!
Yep, I’m with you.
yep me too, absolutely love them and bought several pairs.
In fairness it’s one of those shoes that gets a lot better with age. It’s quite a slappy shoe to start with and makes a clog kind of sound. A year later and they’re loads better for some reason
Received this yesterday and took it for a 5k ride and a speed run. I liked the fit. Breathable. Comfy. Locked down. Fast. I was putting in the same effort for a faster pace. Only downside for me was it was hard. I think it is the thick rubber in the forefoot? Not much give at all and my legs were not happy. I much prefer the NB TC elite. Super soft, responsive and fast, though not as fast as this. I really want to love the shoe as i found it comfy, fast and i love the colourway but it was just too hard.
Funny, I bought them recently and I think they’re fantastic. I think they are incredibly cushioned and bouncy, have no problem with the upper, and I wear feetures socks. No problems with blisters. The stack height is like a hoka one one bondi so for those that don’t like a high stack, probably not the shoe for you.
absolutely like they feel for me, absolutely agree. Soft but super bouncy, like them even more than the alphaflys
@@script-7318 recommended able for someone who runs a mile at 10.5 mph pace and is trying to increase his pace? Also for someone who runs 2-3 miles at 9.5 mph pace?
One thing I like about these shoes is because of the extra weight, it keeps me from overstriding and increases my cadence, my cadence in the nike pegasus 38, and most other running shoes I wore were in between 163-166 but with these it is around 170 and it was 175 last week when I ran my PR 5k of 17:59, and I think the shoe raising my cadence while also having a good bounce helped me a lot to get that PR
I just bought the shoes and I love them. I just ran my first half marathon in them by myself and I thought they felt really good. I was able to go 7:10 pace without a struggle.
I love looking at shoe constructions! It would be really interesting to interview a product manager and ask about their design decisions when analyzing the various parts.
Agreed!!
Seth if you didn’t pay $200 for this, it’s probably fake. There isn’t any discount on the next% line up yet so no way any retailer can sell below that price.
My biggest disappointment for a shoe purchase for 2020 was the Nike React Infinity Run. I bought them because of the claim that they help to prevent injuries, but every time I wear them for more than 5 or 6 miles I end up with blisters on my achilles. Just to wear them I end up having to put a band-aid on my feet, so I usually only wear them when I do short second run on a day (for like 3 or 4 miles).
That said, I like the Saucony Endorphin Speed’s so much that I’ve purchased 3 pairs already. Today I got the first pair to around 170 miles, and I love them as much in that mile as I did on mile 1.
Zoom X should not need 40 miles to break in, right??
Depends on the composition. The ZoomX in the tempo is different then the ZoomX in the alphafly. It might take longer to break in
Agreed! I think AirPods and outsole are making this shoe stiff.
Agreed. Zoom X needs zero mile to break in. I own 2 pairs of the Turbo 2, which have Zoom X. They work out of the gate
It’s also React foam. My guess is the ZoomX is a much smaller amount of foam compared to the react foam. Kind of like the Peg Turbo.
What a bummer, I was excited for this one to join the pack of "almost super shoes" that have really pushed the envelope in 2020.
Looks like the Endorphin Speed still rules the roost.
Still ruling in my books! Thanks for dropping a comment.
Try them out yourself everyone is different
QD: New Balance Fuelcell TC. Absolutely did not work for me whatsoever. The lateral flare really exacerbated some otherwise mild over-pronation issues I have. Bought it from the NB website, so I couldn't return it after trying it out on a run. I was able to sell the shoes on eBay but I still ended up losing money. Grumble grumble.
I have this shoes for two months and there rockets. I brought a second one because of how good they were. I dont understand why you cant run properly with them. I personally recommend the shoe to everyone its just amazing
QD: for me the alphafly was actually the most disappointing considering the price. They felt too clunky to me for a race shoe & properly turnover. They made me realize that just how truly awesome the Vaporfly next% are.
The tempos worked good for me in steady hill runs where the additional power in each step “activated” the ride more. I’m also 170lb tho so I can definitely see the weight being a major factor. These would probably be great had Nike tuned the air pod pressures according to shoe size.
These zoom pods are very similar to what they used in some lebron shoes (albeit different pressures), and he’s a powerful guy in an explosive sport... so they’re definitely durable for sure.
Kipchoge is pretty light guy though
@@RowOfMushyTiT Yep, Kipchoge is my height at 167 cm and weighs 52kg. That's about 10kg lighter than me. So it's probably more about speed because he's damned faster than me.
Completely agree on the clunky feel, I think I used "clown shoes or boats under foot" in my description of the Alphafly. thanks for dropping a comment.
Purple Helmeted Yogurt Slinger good point but I wouldn’t be surprised if his alphas were tuned differently tho. I’m guessing he prob generate more power for his weight than the avg runner to “activate” the shoe. Plus that 2hr pace is not a real “turnover” pace (e.g. 5k pace) for him, if that makes sense.
Alphas are definitely still good shoes tho compared to other Carbon shoes on the market, I’m just saying it was kind of a let down after the Vaporfly next%. The next% just feels so much more cohesive and you feel one with those shoes rather than always noticing the alphaflys are on your feet.
I guess that's why they keep the Vaporfly in the line up. I run with the VF and these are by far the fastest running shoes i ever used BUT i also struggle in the the VF because my technique and biomecanics are not as good as the best. These are shoes i find hard to correctly run in. I did not run in the Alphafly (don't have unlimited money :) ) but just looking at those i know i could simply mash and run well in these, without imbalances and excess stress on joints.
Not often I watch a review of a shoe before I have tested it but certainly Seth seems very underwhelmed but this one. As a taller but very light runner I shall be keen to try my pair out tomorrow. Would the hot water have altered the rigidity of the plate a little perhaps? Hope you didn’t blunt any of True Loves kitchen utensils Seth 🤣
Looking forward to your review on these Edd!
I think they have a pretty specific use. They’re definitely heavy, but the midsole is pretty “powerful”. Tbh I definitely agree that lighter runners like Seth would not like these shoes. They felt really good to me for runs where stride length and power is the focus. It’s definitely noticeably harder to turnover in these, but I also had the same feeling about the alphaflys compared to the vaporflys. For me these worked really well on gradual and sustained hills where you run with a little bit of power. On really steep hills the high stack kind of get in the way of turning over. These also feel like they’ll last for a loooioong time
I do like these better than the zoom flys.
@@jkhoudini But since they are meant to be a training shoe this doesn't sound ideal
Purple Helmeted Yogurt Slinger Yeah, I think it really depends on your weight and how many shoes are in your rotation. I like to have shoes for different uses so these slot in a specific niche for me. The heavier the broader the use range would be I think. For me personally, these felt great for steady climbs or rolling runs. I can probably use them for a tempo too but they didn’t feel like they quite want to turn over on the flats (same feeling I had in the alphaflys).
It’s kind of like a quality 12” roast slicer where it feels really good for a specific task only. Definitely not a chef’s knife or santoku.
I loved mine today. I posted a review above.
Absolutely love this shoe, feels like a more heavy but faster Alphafly for shorter distances and high tempo only as the name already suggests.
Trust me the Tempo Next% is the best Nike running shoe available for guys that are not 52kg Eliud Kipchoge size.
I weigh about 92kg (gym bro) and Vaporflys are simply unusable for my bodymass. I sold mine after a 20km run that left me with severe forefoot pain cause the narrow heel section collapsed in every direction possible and led to a very unnatural torsion of my whole foot.
So every heavy runner should get either the Alphafly2 or the Tempo Next%.
Alphafly1 and Vaporflys are the best way for getting a lot of ligament problems because of their ridiculously narrow and soft heel construction.
Mine took ard 50 miles to break in.
I completely agree with the shoe controlling your run part. You’ll have to contact the ground in a very specific (leaning forward) angle to feel the air zoom pods.
I was skeptics at first because it felt kinda clunky and heavy. But I ran a PR two days ago during a work out. They made the tempo speeds so easy for me.
I would have appreciated a lighter weight, but these are pretty solid tempo shoes.
FYI: 150 lbs 5”10. Size 11
Basically I don't wanna remember this year.
Nike RenewRun was first purchase and after a 1 km it cut my Achilles- like it was sword. I think that scaling from small to big foot is something designers don't get well. Some parts must have stronger , firmer pillars, needles, pockets if you like, so that arch of foot have certain ease while running. They have destroyed perfect low budget shoe by making back of shoe angled and strong. Every other back of shoe in Nike arsenal have straight and not angled back. I have long foot. US 13. 31cm. And shoe was acting like trap. Heel , I mean back of shoe is very hard, not as soft as in Adidas. Adidas as Under Armor practices cutting out that part near Achilles. Less triboelectricity, static parasitic currents that make blisters, cuts. Bottom of RenewRun is heavy. And drop from heel to toe should be 8mm (maybe more). I don't remember exact drop, but it has high heel that is making you, sorry forcing you to run and not walk. It is ok. I don't see issue there. But because of all that heaviness and extra Lunarlone around heel( Infinity design), as you see on fortified middle age castles and angled back of that plastics or metal towards Achilles..it basically is trap that hurts like hell. Press middle with ach and that is it. I had luck. They gave me money back. I would be more happy if they could cut that middle region of back. Anyways.. Another thing is it is very warm shoe. After 1 km my sock was wet like if I put in the pool. It was raining day before and moisture was present. But I am telling you: Under Armour Sonic 2 upper is my choice every time over any of the Nike's. Nike is doing brilliant, genius, pioneer work on middle cushion section, and Under Armour on upper. Socks in Under Amour Sonic 2 were always dry. I could felt warmth of asphalt on very warm summer days- like lava and some extra statics there, but any shoe would act on 40 degrees of Celsius similarly. Under Armour Machina shoe laces are like soft teddy bear. Another score for UA.
Under Armour Sonic 2 was other purchase. It has an amazing upper. Upper is simply the UA thing. HOVR is under heel and not front?! Wtf UA?! I made mistake by paying more for older version and not new Machina. Another thing after 3 weeks of running- front , which is Charged or EVA broke. By watching from outside one cannot tell. But inside was like when you put plastics in fire and add oxigen - and than watch how form is deformed. I have extra kilos( than I had 114 kg and now 105 kg). I bougth these instead of Machina which was cheaper because of the feeling I have had when I entered it for the first time. Also there is a engineering problem with their cushion. HOVR olefin is enclosed in net is not so good idea of cushion. Here is why. It is like honey in plastic bag, and than fortified with Eva around. Basically firmness is Eva. And we know how bad Eva is for running. They talk about softness..but let me tell you ..there is no softness there. Buy Duramo 9 and feel how hard it is. Germany done good chemistry job with both Eva and Boost. So when Eva hardness lose that firm grip that honey is spilled all around and basically all cushion is gone. I love the design, colors, but those are more for causal than real marathon. I mean I would choose Nike every time over Asics, UA or Adidas. But Asics with gels is doing far better construction job than UA. I tried Boost 19 once and Solar Boost. Amazing. But for running I don't know. Maybe?! I am glad that runners have more options thou. And I hope that new iterations will be better.
Nike Peg 37 was another choice. But price is 155$ (and everywhere else in world 119$) was no brainer. But I have tried shoe in store. It looks gentle to me. But who knows. I have a friend that used Peg Turbo 2 since February and after half year of running, 30 km every day except Monday for recovery lazy walk day..it look like new. what?! I know. I don't think that rubber is any shorter that when it left factory. And he has at least 30 kg less..That is scaling.. Content can't be same for different weights that pressure down nearly same area..Basically I bought UA Sonic 2 instead of Peg 37 because at time I had no number. I am looking forward to Peg 38. I saw AirZoom Structure 23 as soft edition.
Thanks for suggesting Achilles issue and shoes for less painful running. Hoperfully my financial situation will become better. I don't have much of choosing in between good running shoes eve if I had money. That sucks. Another thing is that every shoe that leaves factory cost around 40$ and in stores it is 4 times or less of that price. I would like to see less freedom in using Eva and more in using real materials that put runner's health as priority. But it is just my fantasy. Because people simple agree with any shitty shoe and poverty over joyfull running experience. In highly polluted areas with heat plants and small houses "options" running on fresh air is real priviledge. I am little angry of myself not being smart enough to change things for better. I don't know if people around the world is aware of how many billions of $ is pent of heating plants, filters and all other lies of energy crisis... Cutting Gordian know never was easy and for easily fainted.
Running- I look upon it as adding health. And I am asking myself: " what kind of priviledge is having couple of shoes for running? (beside roof, meal, clothes, job)" Another thing..about basketball shoes( not offtopic)..Nobody is making outdoor shoe. Because of all that Eva cushion which last a month or less and I have never been wittness to many more Achilles issues from playing street ball basketball among friends and others that play. After all that expensive "softness" we have serious problem to solve. And I know that standard for runner shoe is way above of that for baskeball. So there it is.. There are many options to add from running to basketball. Beside extra rubber for outdoor basketball shoe. And runner shoes have a lot to explore and change. Foam, bubble, carbon dust, triboelectrical net in cushion, rubber springs, maybe even aerogels, and some other tensegrity rope systems, you name it.
All best and happy running!
I don’t know what Nike is doing but with this year releases they are going backwards. The Alphafly is ok, but still think Vapourfly is better. Instead of making lighter, more forgiving shoes with natural feel, they come up with these ugly heavy shoes. I prefer the old models of Nike. The Nike Pegasus Trail, great trail shoe, they just had to replace midsole to react and make the upper a bit lighter and more breathable. They destroyed it by making the Trail 2 instead. Same with Pegasus 36. Not impressed by Nike at all. That’s why my new lineup will be Asics Glideride, Saucony Endorphin Speed and Hoka EVO Speedgoat goretex. I’m still hoping the Vomero 15 will be updated in the good direction.
Watched this one and the ones about the alphaflys - as a 6 foot, 160lbs marathoner... i'm happy to add an ounce to a shoe for the increase in cushion on the landing. after running Boston a few years back in Lunar Tempos, I learned quickly how much shoes can make a difference over that many miles. The Next%'s were great and although I havent raced in the AlphaFlys yet, I'm confident it will be a huge upgrade for me in terms of reducing the impact of each step. I think you're exactly right with regards to being too light to appreciate the added cushion+rigidity.
I would love to see a video comparing the Pegasus turbo to some of these shoes (Nike Tempo Next%, endorphin speed, Brooks hyperion tempo). I have been using the Turbo Pegs for tempos/fast long runs... so I'm a little confused as to what Nike is doing with this shoe...
In the close ups they do look a little jenky! Maybe a reject pair that should be in an outlet?
Actually the shoes in the outlets (for Nike at least) aren’t rejects. We shipped them from the regular Nike stores to outlets. They just use outlets to move product fast that didn’t sell as quickly as the best colors or models. It’s actually a good way to get the shoes you want. Some of the shoes are also brought in as buy backs from places like Kohl’s or other cheaper retailers for low grade models. Rest assured, you can get first quality in outlets from Nike. (I don’t work for them anymore either)
Thanks for the review Seth. Your views with the Tempo sounds like my experience with the Pegasus 37. It's a shame the Tempo are replacing the Turbo 2's. The Turbo 2's are a great running shoe!
hey seth, i think the box being white is correct. All the shoes in the tokyo olympic colourway are in white boxes.
you are correct, new marketing from Nike. thanks for leaving a comment.
These don’t look legit, neither the react or zoom x have that level of stiffness especially after 40 miles. That midsole is very poorly constructed, where are these from? Replica sites have been selling these like crazy...
I’m pretty sure it’s fake. If he bought it from a sketchy website, plus the plate had 0 rigidity, and the ZoomX is weirdly stiff
Qd: nobablast... they were heavy, unresponsive and unstable. Felt like I was working 10 times harder, when running in those shoes
QD: Pegasus 37’s. I did enjoy the midsole, however, I could never get a good lockdown no matter what I tried and as a resident of the Southeastern US, the upper felt too thick and too hot during and after runs.
I wanted to enjoy it, but my feet mostly always felt like I dipped them in fire after each run.
Try the runners knot it helped me a lot
Runners knot should fix that
Runners knot fixed my lockdown issues as well
Sounds as if Nike was just mailing this shoe in.
QD: Saucony Triumph 18. Each run felt like I tied on a pair of cinder blocks 🧱. No bueno.
It kinda looks, I don't know, cheaper. Maybe you're right, it may be a knock off. Cheaper materials, everything looks a little rough around the edges.
I'm honestly guessing thats fake... my experience with zoom x foam is that its super soft and comfy so I'm not sure whats going on with this one. Maybe try again when it is actually released on the nike website?
I test many shoes
1) Hoka Carbon X - Very comfortable feel, but after 20k my feets hurt
2) Alphafly - Feel very bulky and not lightweight for racing
3) Vaporfly next% - For me they are best racing shoes ever!
4) Tempo next% - For speed training they are not bad, but Prise 200$ is too much for it
5) Pegasus 37 - Normal daily trainer at gravel
6) Pegasus 36 Trail - Very comfortable and lightweight for trail running
7) Nike wildhorse 6 - Not bad, but pegs are more comfortable
8) Hoka Rincon 2 - Feels more lightweight and cushioned than Carbon X. Also speed is same.
!!!The winner is Vaporfly Next%!!!
I ordered a pair of shoes from a FAKE HOKA website and they sent me a scarf :/
Was it a nice scarf?
hahaahhhhh
So whens the SJD cook book coming out? Looks like shoe soup tonight😅. QD: bought a pair of Saucony kinvara 10s which felt great for 2/3 miles and then would cause hot spots underneath my big toe. Luckily thay worked great for my daughter.
Have you tried the Kinvara 11s? I really want to try the Kinvaras, if I do I will have to make a video about them. Hope you found some shoes that work well!
Pegasus 37 was my biggest disappointment. Felt like 2 midsoles, a bad react section in the heel then I actually liked the zoom in the forefoot, I’d go back to full length zoom if I was Nike?
I sent mine back
I hated my 37s as well, clunky, unstable, terrible ride.
It has been a long while since I have had luck with Nike. I often get suckered in by their marketing and sexy looks, but it’s Brooks and Hoka for this turdburger.
Pretty sure they played a significant role in me aggravating my Achilles too. With similar extra cushioning to that in this video, it seemed to create pressure on where the tendon joins the heel which I’ve been trying to shake off through resting for weeks now!
@@TubbyBrewster1 this is 100% my case with the 36 as well
QD: Beacon 1. Holy fhepqåx it was waaay to stiff in it landing. Felt like I was running in a sandal
I hate Fresh Foam. I don't get why people like it. It's both firm and non-responsive.
This is why we shouldn't put to much emphasis on shoe reviews. I LOVE the Beacon 1 and 2. By far my favorite shoe of the last couple of years or so. I am around 180lb. 6ft 3 toe striker and they just seem to work wjth my footstrike - I love that it is so flexible, they seem to disappear under my feet. My toes seem to like flexing around 90 degrees to the sole of my feet on toe off. I've even run a marathon in them. My next favorite is the Razor 3 which is similar. And I don't get a long with stiffer shoes with a rocker - the Gliderides were a heavy fail for me, for instance.
I got the Beacon 2, I was thinking the same but I changed a bit my footstrike (faster cadence, shorter stride length) and I used them a few times and I think they are a bit softer now. I much prefer the Nike Turbo 2 and Zoom Fly 3 but they are not that bad. Sometimes I wonder if I'm just not strong enough (yet) for some firmer shoes ... (I'm light and run fast)
I’m hoping like you said, it just takes some time to break in, but so far I’ve been disappointed with my Tempo Next%. It doesn’t feel like the AlphaFly and is pretty firm and can feel clunky at slower paces.
I think the biggest tip from this video is to not run 20 odd miles in a brand new shoe, sounds like you had a torrid time with them. Good honest review as always Seth :)
Can I have the bits you cut up? these bits will still be faster than my normal shoe
They also over thought the Peg 37. Felt like running in 2 different shoes (heel vs. Forefoot). They are now my shoes for putting gas in my car :)
Hard to believe that any shoe with zoomx lasts that long. The turbo 2's started feeling flat after 400km on 3 pairs for me (still love them)
I listen to a lot of ShoeTubers (Seth, Kofuzi, EddBud, FOD Runner, Emily Heller, Ginger Runner, Believe in the Run) so I tend to avoid making any big mistakes in my purchases. That said, from a value standpoint, I’ve been underwhelmed by the FuelCell TC’s. At $200, I think they should be lighter and snappier than they feel to me.
QD: Hoka clifton 6 was so narrow that my feet would start going numb after a few minutes. Despite reviews saying it was wider than the 5, and I dont need a wide size in any other shoe :(
same problem here. Rincon even worse
Get the wide fit (2e) size makes a a big difference
I got the Clifton 7 in wide and so much better fit for me
Hi Seth, great video, Before I get to your question of the day, I agree with you about the Tempo Next %. I brought a pair, which after testing them thought I would sell, but then I discovered I destroyed my 10k PB in this shoe so I kept it for any 10k races I enter. It did seem a really fast shoe, maybe its a placebo thing but.....Any way most dissapointing shoe of 2020 was the Brooks Ghost 13. A lot of runners I know swore by it. I had never had a pair so was looking for an easy day/long miles shoe and thought why not. After buying a pair I was thoroughly dissappointed. They just felt flat and dead to me. So much so that after just 6 miles into an easy run my legs felt tired and I was struggling to run in them. I cut the run short, went home and changed into a different shoe and continued with the run. I repeated it 4 times over the next few months, just to be sure and it was the same every time. I am sure the Ghost is a great shoe, but for me it just didnt work out. Great channel.
Sooooo thorough! Amazing stuff. Awesome video!
hello, me in any case I just received them yesterday, I have the impression that they are great shoes, put on the feet I don't want to be separated from them anymore! incredible the power they provide underfoot! I feel like I could jump more than two meters! I have to try them on Tuesday while circling Paris once again ... or 35km, but this time at night ... nice to have shown the interior of such a machine ...
FYI: The drop is scheduled to happen within the next days in Europe, so I assume they'll be available around that time in the US too
They’ve already dropped if you’re referring to the Tempo, my pair turned up today and I’m in the UK. They were available via the NRC App!
LMDN doesn’t count, you’re barely in the EU anymore haha
You ran 6:55 pace, they’re meant to go fast. That’s why they feel like a clunky ride
I buy ultraboost 19 coz the big discount. After first strike, Feels terrible like the road pounding my foot real hard. No bounce at all. i now appreciate my infinity run, carbonx, rincon, novablast even maxroad 4 greatly which is very supportive, bouncy, comfortable. Really open my eyes how these shoes really affecting performance.
I think the easy way to check if it’s a fake is to check the UPC code attached on the shoes. Also the code has to be the same to the one print on the box.
This is my first comment on a Seth James review and I’d like to know why I didn’t watch your review BEFORE I bought these Tempos because the review is SPOT ON! Seriously, these were the best feeling shoes I ever put on my feet. Snug, but comfortable, roomy in the toe, but not slushy. Firm, but cushioned. I loved these shoes right up to the point that they started to wreck my left foot. I was 12 miles into a run, pacing a friend through a Marathon, when my foot started to hurt. I stuck with it through 16 miles after which I could barely walk the last six blocks home. Weeks later, my foot is almost recovered. Was still wondering whether I should give the shoes a last try when I watched this review. Thanks!
QD: New Balance shoes that I know are or were great shoes just don’t seem to work with my feet and mechanics. Mainly I find myself between sizes on them. So it’s not a reflection on NB but rather just not a good fit for me. HOKA also didn’t work well for me in the long run (literally). The Rincon was my kind of shoe in terms of light weight and firmer midsole, but even though my feet aren’t wide I got a slight callous (semi-blister) on the inner side of both big toe metatarsals. Moreover, the midsoles started feeling flat after 150 miles.
Nike is such an empire. I’ve never felt like their shoes were a good fit for me either; there are so many fabulous shoes now to choose from. It feels like they’re dumping mediocre and even lousy models into the marketplace lately to ride on the coattails of their success with the Vaporfly series and rein in their brand-loyal buyers, while controlling the availability of the Vaporfly’s to play hard-to-get. To me it would be a turnoff even if I did love their shoes.
QD: It has to be the AlphaFLY. They totally felt like two different shoes that had been stuck together. Soft and squishy in the back and hard and clumpy in the front. Couldn’t send them back quick enough.
Good review thanks!
This answers that question every runner has, what is the best trainer? You have to try out many types to find the one that suits you.
These shoes will last forever… On the shelf
So just had a pair of these delivered today from Nike and ran a 5k test to garner first impressions. Funnily enough the run was actually a damn good advert for the NB Fuel Cell TC. Ran a 10M TT in the Fuel Cell this morning getting a PB and my legs felt OK this evening 😂😂
First impression of the Tempo Next % were they are OK. Noisy underfoot and tight in the toe box so hoping the upper stretches a bit. No problems at 5k with the heel and lockdown was good. I don’t have the Alphaflys (yet) so cant compare but at the minute actually think I prefer Zoom Fly 3 for tempo/intervals but time will tell
These were £169 through NIke App so more expensive than Zoom Fly 3 by £30
QD On CloudFlow - just didn’t get on with them
QOD: Nike Pegasus Turbo 2. I got them thinking it'd be a slightly better improvement over my Pegasus 35 Turbos which I loved. The foam is just not as soft as the 35 Turbos and I found it to be less comfortable in the upper as well as less breatheable. I'm still using them in my training but I'd give the Turbo 2s a 6.5/10 versus 9/10 for the 35 Turbos.
Believe it or not I returned my Endorphin Speeds just a couple weeks ago because I was convinced they were fake. Although I didn’t dissect them, for $160 the external construction was terrible, the shoes just felt funny when I put them on, and lastly when I scanned the bar code on the box they came in it gave me an error saying it didn’t exist. I did not purchase them from Saucony but have been in contact with them and they confirmed the shoes aren’t fakes and apologized for the quality. I have ordered another pair from the online retailer I use and am now waiting another two months to confirm if they are better.
GREAT REVIEW. AND REALLY HONEST REVIEWER. Thanks
The plantar fascia isn’t a tendon. It’s just fascia. Fascia is like supportive tissue around tendons, but it’s not a tendon. Just a tip
Would agree with you regarding weight of person , and yes you are right, they are quite dominating and require to be pushed before they start to behave, I’ve never enjoyed a light run in these but when I run at pace these shoes really come to life! so they really do live up to their namesake, tempo is the most rewarding way for me whenever I run in these, only annoying element is the noisy slapping sound of the sole when running
My most disappointing purchase was the Brooks Ghost 12. I didn’t pay full price good job really. I found the midsole very hard not very forgiving. I’m a heavier runner so I was surprised it was such a firm midsole. The drop is also a problem 12mm is too aggressive played havoc with my shins and calves. The quality of some of the Nike premium shoes is shocking. For the price you pay and for the fact they release them in batches they should be top quality.
QD: I didn't have any disappointments with purchasing running shoes in 2020 because I listen running shoe reviews from this youtube channel!
The upper looks like nike mecurial soccer cleats
QD: Nike Pegasus 37s for me. They felt great out of the box and I enjoyed the first hundred or two kilometers in them this summer, but then I just slowly fell out of love with them. Just started feeling more like a brick over time and so was neither comfortable enough for slow easy days nor light enough for tempo/faster days. Putting them more or less on early semi-retirement at 350km, but the outsole still looks wonderful, so will still keep them around for very wet days or for road/trail crossover adventures (and casual wear).
I was always under the impression that real shoes don’t glue their insoles in. All of my Hoka’s, Saucony’s and NB (7 pairs of shoe) have insoles that come right out. I did a quick google search and the “shoe expert” said brands do not glue in their insole. The best way to see if it’s fake is to check if it’s glued. Never have a glued insole. 🤷♂️💯
Hoka definitely glues in some of their insoles. Nike did on some models too. I work in run specialty and used to work for Nike, and have seen new directly shipped from the manufacturer with glued in insoles. The Hoka Clifton Edge is glued in.
Justin Paynter all vaporflys and Alphaflys have insoles glued. these could be fakes. real ones of these colors can be bought on the Nike UK web site and like Asia.
Just to let you now, I just got a pair. Quality is fantastic and not like some of the early reviewers experiences. I’ll take them for a run later and see what I think! First impressions are good.
Adidas Adizero Pro... failed to give a pop like we have gotten used to from other carbon shoes. Sent them back as unless I was doing 5:30mm tempo session it just wasn't that comfortable either.
glad to hear you're done with that shoe! Too many good ones to choose from.
QD: the Nike Pegasus 37, terrible terrible lockdown, the heel counter has been shorten for reason that are not understanable and makes the heel moving unless you tight so hard the shoes that you feet hurts,
Seth at 3:20 you have a typo it says “Sketchers Endorphin speed” instead of Saucony
QD: Hoka Rincon. I really wanted to like this shoe. I loved how light and bouncy it felt. But my foot felt like it was floating in it. I went true to previous Hoka sizes. I MIGHT consider trying a size down but I have narrow feet and maybe this just isn't the shoe for me. :(
Rincon also tops the list of disappointments for me. If you didn't like it, I wouldn't spend more time messing around with sizing; Hokas are just big, maximalist shoes.
Also couldn't stand how quickly the outsole degrades+midsole loses its pop. Mine were absolutely finished at 200 miles or so. That's not much better than what I'd get from Vaporflys!
7:40 this is the clip that makes me think they could be fake. I work at a shoe shop and have never seen the foam crease this much from the weight of a person, and seth is a light guy.
Your the man Seth. Such a national treasure 🔥🔥. Great Video as always.
It’s not a full blown training shoe, it’s fast tempo shoe, the faster the tempo the better the ride, I love it, gets me up those hills and puts a little spring in my step. I am 62 and I need that extra spring
QD: My biggest disappointment was the Altra Timp 2. Midsole just is very harsh for me. Will make a good hiking shoe but has not been comfortable on trail runs that I bought it for. Second place would be the Rincon, but that was a fit issue. Cliftons just fit me a lot better, so I was able to exchange.
QD; my worst purchase had to be the NB 1080v10.
Although super comfortable and a great looking shoe, it just didn't do the job when out on the roads.
As with many other reviews, I had similar issues with it being too soft and it felt like I was sinking into the shoe. I'm 71kg, so not a heavy runner.
My legs ached from my hips all the way to my feet. Ended up buying the 880v10, with no issues.
Tempo Next % did make me run faster (that's the main concern for me tbh), but they are really loud and quite heavy compared to turbo 2 which I recently purchased at a great discount at Nike website (costing $100 only!). Tempo Next % was said to be a replacement for turbo 2 but they are just completely 2 separate creatures (one being very thick, cushioned, and the other being very thin, reactive)
My 2020 worst purchase. New Balance Fuelcell Prism. I have a bad knee. One of my foots strikes neutral and the other overpronates so I run in neutral and stability shoes. These were suppose to provide both. I just did five miles in them. I was down for two days. Now I can't get rid of them.
I also have the same issue. I strike neutral with one foot and the other overpronates. What shoes do you use? Thanks
@@goncalolopes Hoka Clifton 7 and Bondi 6
I just bought the Clifton 7 (3 days ago) and I feel my knees way better. I have run 2 times in them, one 8km run and today a 10km run. Until now, all seems in the right direction regarding this shoe. Btw, have you tried the Saucony Endorphin Speed? Thanks
@@goncalolopes I've tried everything and I always go back to Hokas. You're welcome
I have these shoes as well. Used them twice. Agree with your statement that the shoe controlled me, and not the other way around. Also they are soooo loud. It is embarrassing running in them, the slapping sound when they hit the pavement. Started noticing pain in my groin after two days with these. Probably not related, but it ended up being Gilmore's groin.
Hey Seth, to be completely honest I think the pair you bought is fake. I live in hong kong where these have already released and I've had my pair for about a month now (bought them at retail) and put around 75 miles on them. There were a couple things I noticed from your video that made me think yours were fake. The first is the upper on yours looked much looser/sloppier (as you said) than the pair I have. My pair has more of a zoom fly 2 shape and doesn't feel sloppy at all (though it's slightly roomy in the front)- its very well constructed and fits nice. The second thing I noticed was the insole, it's completely different than the one in my shoe. The insole on my pair is actually the same as the insole on the turbo 2s where it says ZOOM. Also, the box being a different colour was strange too, mine was black.
I know you test so many shoes you can't stay on one shoe too long, but I do think its a bit of an injustice to give a verdict on the tempos when yours seemingly have problems. For what its worth, I really like my pair though I know others may not feel the same way.
Everyone in the US is getting white boxes, same with UK, so that’s interesting. Compared to other pictures and videos I do think they are real now and official weight of shoe is in line with the advertised size 9. Tough call. If they are fake, I’m impressed with the build quality that is for sure.
I think a fake wouldnt have any plate at all
The insole is correct. It is recycled zoomx.
Seth James DeMoor No they are not. Mine came today in the standard orange box.
QD: Nike Pegasus 36 Trail. Lacks cushion and worthless on most scenarios where grip is needed. Might as well run in road shoes. Not sure I can trust buying the Peg Trail 2’s unless they made them a actual trail shoe rather than the road shoe with lugs slapped on.
I got my pair yesterday and couldn’t have had a more different experience. They didn’t feel as fast as Next% (unsurprisingly as they’re not in that category) but the ride felt very lively so I’m fairly sure the midsole was working properly.
FYI I’m on the bigger side for a runner at 6’ and 160 lbs (at my fastest at about 154, but I’ve over-indulged lately with the lack of racing). Probably 35 minute 10k sort of shape right now, but I tested these shoes at a steady 6:40 pace.
Nike seems to put out a lot of okay shoes at high prices. Enjoyed the Peg 36, but they only lasted 300 miles. Compare that to the Brooks Glycerin 18, which barely have any wear after 140 miles..
Good stuff man!! ✌️💯
The Hoka Mach 2 was kind of disappointing because it kind of wore out really fast. When I first got it, the feel was good, but kind of firm. But after only 80 miles, the insole was destroyed and started blistering my feet. The midsole rocker also started to go away at that time which made the shoe no longer feel fast
ASICS nimbus 22. I found it heavy and none responsive.
Late to it but QD: ASICS Novablast. Can't get a lock down in it so my foot feels unstable. I then get plantar ache when out in it. Going to take the laces out from an old reliable pair as some have said that makes the difference.
Easiest way to tell fake nike are by their zoom pod units, the real pair have nylon fiber on it, looks like a bunch of string while the fake pair have some kind of airmax pilar type on their zoom pod.
Skechers gorun ride 8. Not a bad shoe by any means, but it’s heavier, bulkier, clunkier, and doesn’t offer near as smooth of a ride as Skechers gorun ride 7
QD: I haven't bought any 2020 shoe, they're getting too expensive man, $200? there are plenty discounted 2019 shoes rn
I always by shoes a year or 2 behind
I have heard from a number of people recently who say their Nike’s just aren’t up to standard. In both casual and running shoes. Not sure if it’s different factories or different standards to keep up with demands... but the quality is certainly down by all reports...which makes me very hesitant to purchase any for a while.