I have the Next%. As an intermediate runner, it was hard to justify that much for race shoes. 3 races in (1 full, 2 halves), it has been worth every penny for the same reasons Seth mentioned. If you are considering it, I recommend taking the leap. Your legs and times will thank you.
Matt Turner hi Matt. Would you say there is still plenty of life and races still left in your Next %s. I am trying to justify the price by just using them for races, so if I can get 5-6 marathons out of them (only 150-175 miles) plus a few training runs prior, would be totally worth the price. Thanks
@@davidloughrey4841 Hi David! I would tend to think so. The turnover is still very responsive and the cushion is still plush. When I first got them, I used them on a long training run to get used to them (takeaway- wear cushioned socks if the top of your feet are sensitive to tight lockdown). They have about 70 miles on them, including my three races, and I think they will still be going strong at 150. Beyond that, I'm not sure, but if you use them for races only, that should cover a reasonable amount of time. If each mile ends up costing me $1.50, they are well worth it!
@Pod One 4% I got on eBay was used but looked like new, and I asked the seller what he was using it for. Apparently he was wearing them to the gym, and I can tell you he didn't do any squats for sure. To me it's unbelievable to wear them to a gym, but apparently some people do. Unfortunately AlphaFly process are flying too high even on 2nd hand market.
@Pod I hear you. When I run I often imagine that I'm Eliud Kipchoge and I'm running as smoothly as he does. But I haven't run a sub 3 marathon yet or better than 1:22 half so I'm pretty far from elite.
But neon green makes you go faster!!!🏃🔥 everybody knows that. Lol. I hear you though...those alpha flys 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯........but I got a deal on Poshmark for a pair of zoom fly 3s (new never used) at a very very good price that I couldn’t pass up the opportunity.
QD: Man, i really don't think the average runner needs to spend 275 on shoes, but as runners, we buy a ton of crap that probably doesn't help. If it makes you feel fast and you think it looks good or whatever, then buy it. Did I need 4%, no. Did i buy 4%, yes.
QD: $175 - Have not come close to paying that as I currently using the Zoom Fly 3 as my racing shoe which I got on sale for $109 last month. Preciously was an Adidas fan using the Adios1,2, Boston 6, and Boston 8s.
Hi Seth, i was looking forward to begin running during the lockdown because normally I'm a cyclist and in France we can't do that. So I found your channel while looking for trail shoes and I bought Peg 36 trails. Did 2 run with them (i'm pretty sore right now) and I really enjoy it. Thanks for the motivation and keep going Seth !
Just picked up both for $210 off eBay, brand new too. I am a very average runner and haven’t come close to a marathon or race. But that said, having these might motivate me to try 👍🏽
Thanks for this comparison. Now I’m extra glad I got a pair of Vaporfly Next % for $225 with a discount at RW. I wouldn’t have even spent that but decided to splurge on at least trying them out when I BQ'd and kept them (only about 4 treadmill mi on them) with injury prevention in mind even more than speed. I’m barely 100 lbs so am sure I’ll get a at least couple of half marathons out of them after Boston....whenever it will be. Currently wrapped in plastic wrap per your suggestion. But I do love my Adidas Adizero Boston 8 and now v.9 and they’re a bargain. Loving the Brooks Hyperion Tempo too which is also more reasonably priced.
Qd: 150. I am just getting back into racing. My Shoe rotation has to date cost me 190 (4 shoes)+ a pair of racing flats from 12 years ago. I am definitely a bargain runner at this time.
I'm currently awaiting for some Reebok Floatride Run Fast 2.0 to be delivered. Purchased them for £76 including delivery after seeing some reviews comparing them in terms of quality, weight, types of foam used in their soles and performance to the NIKE Pegasus Turbo 2 which should be enough of a shoe for 95% of athletes out there. No point spending silly money unless running at a pretty high level and expecting a specific result from such a purchase. A lot of it is just marketing and other manufacturers will be catching NIKE up with no races happening at the moment anyway.
The most I'd pay is probably $150. I have already seen the 4% on sale for $186 on Nike's website. I was highly considering getting it but I'm not an elite racer so there is no point especially when my fastest marathon is 3:37. I think I could honestly work with the NB TC as a racer for the marathon distance, and keep the peg turbo 2 for half's and under. Also interested in the carbon x, I'm sure when a second iteration is released the original will drop to that $150 price range.
QD: Right now I would say my limit is $300. I held off on the next% until I broke 3 hours which I did in the LA marathon a couple months ago. Now I’m torn between the alphafly and next%. I hope to see more reviews like this comparing the two before I decide. EDBUD said he prefers the alphaflys so right now it’s an even score. Hopefully Kofuzi, Jami, Ben Parkes etc will have a chance to review and compare before I buy a pair
The review is kind of pointless unless you’re the exact same runner as Seth. But the information he provides is good. He likes like shoes so he can have quick feet because he has quick feet over 42.2km. So does that mean you need that shoe? Most likely no because not everyone has “quick feet”. Which we don’t even know what quick feet pace is or what pace this shoe is suited for. In some other ZoomX foam Nike shoes I was very quick at 4:15/km pace. But as I wore down in the race at 15km the shoes were terrible at 5:30/km pace (its an Ironman). Also going through aid stations they soaked up so much water the lightness of the shoe was gone. I would never use these shoes in the rain.
Normally I'm always fishing for great deals in shoes, trying to get them at 35-50% discount but I made an exception for the Next% because I truly believed in the technology. Honestly I've only ran three times in them, and in two of these runs I went further (17km) and faster (2miles, 5k and 10k PR's) so I have absolutely no regret buying them. They are that amazing. Achieving that kind of improvements can take weeks of proper food, training, recovery and all that can cost a lot of money (food, massage, chiro, physio, foam roller) so in my humble opinion I think it's money well spent.
QD: I would say right now $180-200 is my upper limit on a race shoe. At a 43min 10K in a normal running shoe I just don't feel I am fast enough to justify spending $250 for the high tech until I am running my HM under 1:30 or my 10K under 38m.
QD: $3-350. I’m already spending $180 multiple times on the Carbon X. Haven’t bought the next % yet. Will soon though. But if I’m chasing PR’s. I want what will help me. And if a shoe that is $250 plus help. Best believe I am putting it on my feet. Cost is a small fraction for the happiness I will have at achieving the goal. Of course the work has to be put in, anyone that thinks a shoe will just make it happen is silly. You all get my point 💪🏻
QD: actually, the lower price for racing ang training shoe is the better situation is for the runner, I use the pegasus 35 for more than 1300 km and now i suffer stress fracture beacuse of financially status and I understand that companies must to earn from they products, but they must to set 20% lower prices
I’d buy the hoka carbon x for $180 (I think that’s the price). When I total all the costs up for a marathon, signup, training block costs, costs of the marathon weekend, it just seems hard for me to justify $250+ on a shoe that I’m only going to get a couple races out of.
The funny thing is that in recent marathons you mostly see the Alphafly Next% which speaks for itself. My only concern is the durability of the shoe. I run mid distances and I don't like buying new shoes more than once every couple of years. Given, I only run 5k distances 2-3 times per week but there is no way that I'm dropping $250+ every year on running shoes.
QD: Hi Seth. Nameste 🙏. Thank you for this awesome experience based information about both of these epic marathon running shoes. I agree with your analysis. I've got my Next% and will use them in race too because of lighter weight n swiftness as you suggested. I'm willing to pay $250 or less for a great pair of shoes because better technology is always welcome but it's our own feel of the shoes n confortability that's more important. So anything cheaper than that is much more appreciated. Take care n stay safe. 👍🌻
QD: Already paid $250 for the Vaporfly Next%, because it was the best thing out at the time. Love the shoe, but haven't been able to race in it yet. Once more of the competition is out though, I don't think I'd spend as much. The Saucony, Asics and Adidas at $200 look great.
I’ve been running the Nike alpha fly next and I have never ran in anything like it. The comfort is unbelievable I never felt anything like it. I’m buying another pair. I don’t want to run in anything else.
I have noticed on the Pegasus 36 that the ride improves with a harder foot strike / heavier landing. I am excited for the Pegasus 37 with react foam and double forefoot airbag.
Came at it from a different perspective, but ended up in the same place. Good callout on the quick feet. Glad to have access to both, but the one you chose is the same one I would choose if I could break out one.
I'm with you, Alphafly's look so bulky (though with good reason). I like the Next because of the lower weight and feels more like a long distance running shoe.
It makes sense that the base of the outsole is wider on the alphafly due to how high you sit of the ground. Provides more stability so you don't roll an ankle.
I noticed a tear in the heel part of your Alphafly's sole. I got that tear on my Vaporfly too which i think where the carbon plate is. A portion on one of the pointy ends have also come off of my Vaporfly.
The entry fee, hotel, flight costs are significantly more expensive than the racing shoes. So if the shoes do make a difference, I’m willing to pay $400-$500.
i think for anyone other than elite runners (i mean earn a living from running) the idea that your £250 shoes would lose some spring after 70 miles is borderline criminal
Hard to say what price I would pay. With the Next% available there would need to be a big improvement in the upper for me to change shoes right now. I will pass on the Alphafly, primarily because they do look bulky like you have described in terms of weight and girth. Since I am a big fan of Nike and I’ve always raced in them I would probably go up to $500-600 in order to get the best shoe for the marathon distance. I am self funded in my running and I am already significantly invested in my performances so I would be willing to pay a high amount if I was in a position to run an OTQ standard. For regular races I would not go beyond what the Next% is available at ($250). If you spend thousands of hours running then I can justify making one big expense if the product is good and you believe it will help you to achieve your dreams. However we do need to keep the technology in perspective and just flat out work hard like they did back in the day. So obviously we have entered into a new generation of running performances. Sorry for the short story I’ll stop now 😳
QD: I think 150 is the max. I worry about the judges around me in races, especially when I can't crack sub 3 marathons yet. I'd gladly race in the zoom fly SPs and Flyknits.
Mate, don't worry about what other people think. They are a great shoe, super comfy and won't leave your legs wrecked after a hard race. Wear what works for you, once the gun goes nobody is looking at your shoes unless they wished they had what you're wearing!
QD: most expensive shoe I’ve purchased to date was the ATR Challenger by Hoka. That said I’ve never owned a pair of Nike’s so perhaps if they were in rotation I’d look to invest in a model like this
I agree Weight>everything when it comes to racing. Which is what you should be doing in either of these shoes it’s crazy when people train in their next%’s
I have the Flynit version of the next % and my outsole has waffle treading for better grip to the ground. No scrunching of any sort because it's...again..flynit.
I get tired of too many shoe reviews. I do like some. But much more interested in your narrative, your family and running, and how you juggle it all. Thanks for all you do.
Long story short, I'd drop $200 on a race day shoe if I knew that I'd get at least 2 races and a couple of taper rums out of them. Its improved greatly over the past few months but I still heel strike and do a number on the outer heel sole. I'm knocking on the door of that 3-hr mark (ran a 3:01:16 on my debut marathon and BQ'ed) and in addition to strength and endurance training I'm looking at equipment options. I currently train and race in a Saucony Guide (arches dropped on me when I left the army and now I may not need that stability any more, but that's a different discussion) but if I make the cut for Boston 2021 I want something lighter on my feet.
Agree that most people are prepared to spend silly money on shoes for very minimal gains, if any gains at all. I'm currently awaiting for some Reebok Floatride Run Fast 2.0 to be delivered. Purchased them for £76 including delivery after seeing some reviews comparing them in terms of quality, weight, types of foam used in their soles and performance to the NIKE Pegasus Turbo 2 which should be enough of a shoe for 95% of athletes out there. Unless you are running a big race, are ery close to top form and probably an athlete who is bashing out Boston Qualifiers at least then these very top end shoes are a bit OTT.
That sucks - Ebay might be your best bet in that case. I find they're really hard to get, especially here in Australia. Luckily, my local running shop just restocked and are selling them for $320 AUD, which I think that works out to be about $206 USD. Surprising that for once we're cheaper than the states, we're usually a bit more expensive.
QOD: I never pay full retail for any running shoe. This years greatest shoes will be discounted this fall and so on , and so on. Everone seems to think the next great shoe will hand them a pr. It wont! Put in the work, enjoy the run, dont overpay for running shoes.
Next% is the greatest running shoe ever made. No one will ever convince me that it’s not. Three pairs now, and not one has ever developed a rip, stretch, or issue, and that’s running on a diversity of surfaces well past their best by date. Be grateful you got to run in the best shoe ever made.
@@MattNasty if you run 9 min/mi pace for marathons you probabaly will see a much smaller benefit to using a shoe like the alphafly which makes the $275 price not justified unless you simply want to look elite haha.
@suspicionofdeceit The answer is same thing as if you buy a new car that you don't like it or marry the wrong spouse. You trade them in or you live with your decisions.
@@MattNasty I agree. I'm not a fast runner at all (I'm 68), but if I think a shoe can help me improve my running and get my time down in my next 10K, I'm gonna splurge.
QD: I’m not fast enough or rich enough for these. My next marathon shoes will start with a 1. Paying over $200 is just not practical for me. Great comparison Seth! 👍
I've tried both and what I can say is, if I'd take the Alphafly for longer distance events. It's more comfortable and more breathable. For short to mid distance I'd take the Vaporfly as I think it felt more snug, it is lighter and it is definitely more stable that it gives more confidence to run faster than in the Alphafly. But I'd take neither if I were to go for a sprint, which these two aren't made for.
I got a pair of Next%'s for Xmas this past year and I will most likely buy a pair for myself when my current pair wears out. I will only race in them in order to keep them as fresh as possible and to stretch their life, but if money was not a consideration I would totally run in these every day. So, if I win the lottery I will buy like 10 pairs of these. They are that good - and noticeably different from even fairly responsive non-carbon fiber plated shoes.
I'm not sure that that comes out to in USD but I would be very hesitant to purchase any running shoes for less than $100 as an intermediate distance runner. Usually, my running shoes fall between $125 and $150. I would consider more expensives shoes only if they were durable. No way would I purchase $250+ shoes for just 150 miles of running.
@@MrSupernova111 I have bought most of Nike/Adidas top models that I need, such as Adidas Ultraboost, Adios 4, Boston 6/7, Solarboost, Solarglide, Nike Zoomfly fk, Pegasus 36 Trail, Pegasus 35, Epic React 1/2, Reebok Floatride Energy 1/2, Altra Escalante 1/1.5, etc, all at 50% or more discount for US9.5/Euro43. Summer sale will be there soon.
QOD: Depending on how innovative the shoe is I would go up to 300. I really liked what they’ve done with the 4% and next percent and see them going in the right direction. Have a good one Seth!
Andnrius D I caught an Indian arrowhead in Brooks Ghost 11s last year in a 100k. It went completely through the sole and I ran 40 miles with it in there.
It would need to be a very big stone to get stuck in that hole. You still need to look at the road ahead to see that you don't run over something you shouldn't e.g. glass, large rocks etc. I wouldn't take this shoe on trails.
I'm not a Nike fan, and I don't need racing shoes. The main advantage of the Vaporfly is that they're available for purchase. I had considered trying the Carbon X, but I'm not a big fan of Hoka's foot motion.
TLDR: the difference in weight over your desired marathon effort between these shoes is 1329.19lbs. The weight conversation is interesting. I had never really considered it, but did some math I found interesting. Assuming you’ll run a 2’19” because we know you can. That’s 139 minutes of effort. 139 minutes at 180 steps/minute with a reduction of 5% over the duration (hills/tired legs/etc) means 25,020 steps for completion. If each of those steps requires the movement of 1 oz, than each step equals an ounce. Compared to the next%, the Alphafly is an increase .85 of an ounce, therefore 25,020(.85) is 21,267oz. There are 16oz in a pound, therefore 21,267/16 is 1329.19 lbs of additional work required over the duration of a 2’19” marathon effort.
Sandor Bako I, more or less, just find it interesting how magnified something so insignificant can become over repetition. Kind of like lifting weights. A person can do a “burn-out” set on bench, and rep 135lbs significantly more times than 185lbs. With regard to physics, the only real law at play there is gravity. With running and shoes, we have other things to consider. Momentum, the effort of propulsion, and the difference of energy return. I simply meant to highlight the potential for fatigue and energy loss over a implied data points we could be familiar with.
Do you know how long they will continue to produce the Next %? In Australia, it is always difficult to obtain the Next % i.e. it is always sold out. I'm only 5km into the testing of my 4%, so I'm a little behind anyway. What distance would you suggest testing the 4% to, to have confidence you could run a marathon in them, without wasting too much durability?
QD: about 200. I'm not a pro and I love a good shoe rotation. So rather buy more shoes for all my training, than spend so much on a racing shoe that I'm not going to use at much and is done for after 100 miles. The Endorphin Pro is for me an interesting shoe if it is 200 dollars as rumored.
@@privatelobbies Yes, the Metaracer looks interesting too. And what is good about Asics is that you can test them and send them back if they don't work for you. Hoka and Brooks also have that service. I tried the Carbon X for a month that way, but not really the shoe for me. Otherwise, at 180 the Carbon X is an interesting option as well for marathon racers.
as a basketball sneaker guy i was actually surprised at his prediction in terms of the durability prospects. in general, foam bottoms out eventually. usually alot sooner than nike's various air technology. so when he said the alphaflys lost bounce that one was interesting because i think in one way it may have been the foam bottoming out especially it being thinner because of the zoom unit in place compared to the next% which is just all foam. In my knowledge its kind of a pick your poison kinda thing in regards to foam vs air. while foam can bottom out, air units can pop. not the most usual thing to happen but that is certainly a possible danger in these exposed air units. but foam doesn't pop. so in a way you're wearing more risk with air technology but it's supposed to last alot longer than foam because foam will eventuallly bottom out with heavy usage.
I agree, but I also feel like you're more likely to wear the rubber down to the zoom air pod before popping the pod itself. I dont see the same kind of impact in running shoes as opposed to basketball shoes when it comes to the zoom units. That aside, I really appreciate the atom weave, it reminds me of the Kobe NXT 360s, one of my favorite shoes ever.
QD: It all depends on your financial situation. But I am willing to say with confidence that if money was not an issue, 98% of people would choose the alphafly or next %. After wearing some different marathon shoes, I will say that any 200 dollar marathon shoe from literally any company compared to the nike marathon shoe collection is not even close to being as good as a nike marathon shoe. It is seriously not even close. I am interested in trying the NB shoe coming out and the ascics metaracer, but even those won't compare most likely. So I think spending the extra 50 bucks is so worth it if your highest priority is getting the best shoe for performance and the best shoe for your money.
Hey Seth, great review. It looks like you pronate a lot on the Next%. How do you handle it/ feel afterwards? Im asking cuz I tend to pronate on cushy shoes too. Looking forward to the Endorphin Pro’s comparison😉
Interesting question. We never pay more than $70. We wait until the shoe has been out for 6-12 months and the price drops significantly. Usually pay around $50-$60 in most cases. We don't have to have the latest because at some point, that shoe was the latest and we don't have to be follow the pack and still get that same shoe.
Running with Pete really like this idea, though I have a hard time finding my size (common size 9) and type that works for my masters bones. Guess I’m picky but what brand/models do you usually get for $70? I have gotten the occasional 2 year old Hoka Clifton (my preferred model) for $76, but rarely see anything available under $92. I’m guessing you are flexible and tend to get. Ike or Adidas, something with much larger production runs?
@@ericpetersen8645 I like the Kinvara. My wife has worn them for years and I finally got the Kinvara 10's and love them. Light enough and can get good turnover. Half Marathon's are my longest distance race but she does Marathon's in them with no issues and loves them. So we are on the Saucony mailing list (sign up online) and we got notification about their clearance on Kinvara's back in January. I'm also a size 9 which can be tough to find but they had a ton of them in my size in about 3 colors which suit my taste. I also like Running Warehouse and active gearup website. Hope you find some good deals!
QD: £250 is the maximum I’d pay providing I can get 200 miles in the shoe. I got the next% for Brighton marathon and know I can get a good few races in the shoe and then retire it for training use.
QD: last few years spent way more in shoes than what I originally considered fair for this sport so I'm being disciplined now and use each pair at least 250 miles (and everything with React or from Hoka is happily lasting longer). This makes these ZoomX (and NB Fresh Foam) shoes a no go because of durability. Cheers
I loved the Nike 4% my favourite marathon shoe. I have the Next% and don’t like the upper but it’s a faster shoe and you grow to really like it. However, I use it sparingly as I don’t think it’s a high mileage shoe. I think I’ll probably want to try the Alphaflys but again I think it will be a race day only shoe. Nike are bringing out a Tempo shoe as the Alpha training companion be interested in seeing if that’s any good? Didn’t like the ZoomX 3 and preferred the Pegasus Turbo2.
So in chosing the regular Next% for New York, do you think that the Next% is faster than the Alphafly? Or are they that similar in performance benefit, that it comes down to more subjective things like shape and feel? I just find it hard to believe that it'd be slower than a previous model!?!
QD: 175,00€ maximum! Because shoe companies are thieves anyway (they produce shoes in Asia with a few dollars per month salary for every worker...). Because non-pro runners have to buy shoes frequently and if the prices are that high, runners will go bankrupt... Because very often running shoes, even the expensive and new ones, have many problems (for example airpods do not work that well... pretty soon....)
The problem with AlphaFly is that step in outsole. When you get tired at the end of the marathon the foot strike gets worse and it's tough to be on toes. I think that the VF Next% could be a faster shoe with tired legs.
I've only run in the Next%, and I thought the pricing was stupid when they came out. But I'll honestly say after a half and full marathon in them...it's worth every penny. These shoes definitely do perform! Alphaflys look a little goofy for me though. Not sure I'll make that leap.
I'm still a fan of the 4% Flyknit, although I think I'd like the Alphafly. I haven't tried the Next %, but Ihave a pair of Zoom Fly 3s and it's difficult for me to get a good fit with that Vaporweave upper. Next time I buy a race shoe, it'll be either the 4% Flyknit (at a nice discount), or the Alphafly.
QD: I want to say $180 but if I’m honest it’s probably $300. The most I’ve ever paid is $180 but I’m on the verge of breaking 3 hours at 50 years old and I really want to reach that goal so if a shoe helps. Also another commenter helped me feel better about that citing the entry fee and travel costs relative to the shoe price LOL!
QD: $160. The Carbon X is actually not that expensive for having a carbon plate and being a racing shoe so I would get those. A close second would be the zoom fly 3.
Hi seth have you seen the adidas adizero pro??carbon plate offerings?could you review it and give me your thoughts as I kind of use your knowledge and my final decision on running shoes.cheers scott wiggy
I’d be willing to pay a maximum of $150 for a marathon shoe. I ran my first and only marathon this past October in the Brooks Ghost 12 so I don’t see the need to spend more, however I’m not a competitive runner.
Thomas Abbott Thanks for answering. I was just curious. I am a 3 hour marathoner and I do not pay a lot of money for my racing shoes. I think that if you are injuries free and well prepared, you just don’t need expensive shoes . Peace!
Seth, My daughter is on her high school cross-country and track teams. So, she runs 5k cross-country races and the 1 and 2 mile track races. Everyone says these are marathon shoes, but will they work for her cross-country and track races? If not, what would you recommend for those 2 racing circumstances? A big thanks, in advance, fir your help. FD
• Nike Alphafly Next%: www.runningwarehouse.com/catpage-MALPHAFLY.html?from=demoor
• Women's: www.runningwarehouse.com/catpage-WALPHAFLY.html?from=demoor
I have the Next%. As an intermediate runner, it was hard to justify that much for race shoes. 3 races in (1 full, 2 halves), it has been worth every penny for the same reasons Seth mentioned. If you are considering it, I recommend taking the leap. Your legs and times will thank you.
Matt Turner hi Matt. Would you say there is still plenty of life and races still left in your Next %s. I am trying to justify the price by just using them for races, so if I can get 5-6 marathons out of them (only 150-175 miles) plus a few training runs prior, would be totally worth the price. Thanks
@@davidloughrey4841 Hi David! I would tend to think so. The turnover is still very responsive and the cushion is still plush. When I first got them, I used them on a long training run to get used to them (takeaway- wear cushioned socks if the top of your feet are sensitive to tight lockdown). They have about 70 miles on them, including my three races, and I think they will still be going strong at 150. Beyond that, I'm not sure, but if you use them for races only, that should cover a reasonable amount of time. If each mile ends up costing me $1.50, they are well worth it!
are the next%s good for training? or only racing
I’m stunned you got they much wear out of Zoom foam. I find after 75km they are done.
I wouldn't spend money on a marathon shoe until I am good enough to at least get a sub 3 hour time. Better training is free and a lot more effective.
@Pod One 4% I got on eBay was used but looked like new, and I asked the seller what he was using it for. Apparently he was wearing them to the gym, and I can tell you he didn't do any squats for sure. To me it's unbelievable to wear them to a gym, but apparently some people do. Unfortunately AlphaFly process are flying too high even on 2nd hand market.
@Pod I hear you. When I run I often imagine that I'm Eliud Kipchoge and I'm running as smoothly as he does. But I haven't run a sub 3 marathon yet or better than 1:22 half so I'm pretty far from elite.
Neh they're too expensive for people like my that live in developing country lol...
-KHK- unlucky.
But neon green makes you go faster!!!🏃🔥 everybody knows that. Lol.
I hear you though...those alpha flys 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯........but I got a deal on Poshmark for a pair of zoom fly 3s (new never used) at a very very good price that I couldn’t pass up the opportunity.
Atomknit upper on the next % silhouette
for me, vaporweave on alpha silhouette
Last time I was this early Seth was still an ultra runner
I just ran in the next %for the second time today and I can’t beleive how insanely amazing they are
I think you are the best running shoe reviewer on RUclips (and there are quite a few very good ones). Your energy and enthusiasm is contagious!
QD: Man, i really don't think the average runner needs to spend 275 on shoes, but as runners, we buy a ton of crap that probably doesn't help. If it makes you feel fast and you think it looks good or whatever, then buy it. Did I need 4%, no. Did i buy 4%, yes.
The atom knit on the Next% would be the best combination!
Thank you, I appreciate you genuine thoughts and opinions.
QD: $175 - Have not come close to paying that as I currently using the Zoom Fly 3 as my racing shoe which I got on sale for $109 last month. Preciously was an Adidas fan using the Adios1,2, Boston 6, and Boston 8s.
I agree: Zoom Fly 3 works just fine!
Hi Seth, i was looking forward to begin running during the lockdown because normally I'm a cyclist and in France we can't do that. So I found your channel while looking for trail shoes and I bought Peg 36 trails. Did 2 run with them (i'm pretty sore right now) and I really enjoy it. Thanks for the motivation and keep going Seth !
Just picked up both for $210 off eBay, brand new too. I am a very average runner and haven’t come close to a marathon or race. But that said, having these might motivate me to try 👍🏽
Thanks for this comparison. Now I’m extra glad I got a pair of Vaporfly Next % for $225 with a discount at RW. I wouldn’t have even spent that but decided to splurge on at least trying them out when I BQ'd and kept them (only about 4 treadmill mi on them) with injury prevention in mind even more than speed. I’m barely 100 lbs so am sure I’ll get a at least couple of half marathons out of them after Boston....whenever it will be. Currently wrapped in plastic wrap per your suggestion. But I do love my Adidas Adizero Boston 8 and now v.9 and they’re a bargain. Loving the Brooks Hyperion Tempo too which is also more reasonably priced.
That's awesome. What code did you use?
Thank u this was very helpful ! almost buy alpha fly , after watch comparison changed my mind better stay with Next %
Next %means, nike zoom vapoefly next%
Qd: 150. I am just getting back into racing. My Shoe rotation has to date cost me 190 (4 shoes)+ a pair of racing flats from 12 years ago. I am definitely a bargain runner at this time.
I'm currently awaiting for some Reebok Floatride Run Fast 2.0 to be delivered. Purchased them for £76 including delivery after seeing some reviews comparing them in terms of quality, weight, types of foam used in their soles and performance to the NIKE Pegasus Turbo 2 which should be enough of a shoe for 95% of athletes out there. No point spending silly money unless running at a pretty high level and expecting a specific result from such a purchase. A lot of it is just marketing and other manufacturers will be catching NIKE up with no races happening at the moment anyway.
The most I'd pay is probably $150. I have already seen the 4% on sale for $186 on Nike's website. I was highly considering getting it but I'm not an elite racer so there is no point especially when my fastest marathon is 3:37. I think I could honestly work with the NB TC as a racer for the marathon distance, and keep the peg turbo 2 for half's and under. Also interested in the carbon x, I'm sure when a second iteration is released the original will drop to that $150 price range.
Been waiting for this review. Thanks alot James, truly fruitful
QD: Right now I would say my limit is $300. I held off on the next% until I broke 3 hours which I did in the LA marathon a couple months ago. Now I’m torn between the alphafly and next%. I hope to see more reviews like this comparing the two before I decide. EDBUD said he prefers the alphaflys so right now it’s an even score. Hopefully Kofuzi, Jami, Ben Parkes etc will have a chance to review and compare before I buy a pair
The review is kind of pointless unless you’re the exact same runner as Seth. But the information he provides is good. He likes like shoes so he can have quick feet because he has quick feet over 42.2km. So does that mean you need that shoe? Most likely no because not everyone has “quick feet”. Which we don’t even know what quick feet pace is or what pace this shoe is suited for. In some other ZoomX foam Nike shoes I was very quick at 4:15/km pace. But as I wore down in the race at 15km the shoes were terrible at 5:30/km pace (its an Ironman). Also going through aid stations they soaked up so much water the lightness of the shoe was gone. I would never use these shoes in the rain.
Who didn’t see that coming
Normally I'm always fishing for great deals in shoes, trying to get them at 35-50% discount but I made an exception for the Next% because I truly believed in the technology. Honestly I've only ran three times in them, and in two of these runs I went further (17km) and faster (2miles, 5k and 10k PR's) so I have absolutely no regret buying them. They are that amazing. Achieving that kind of improvements can take weeks of proper food, training, recovery and all that can cost a lot of money (food, massage, chiro, physio, foam roller) so in my humble opinion I think it's money well spent.
QD: I would say right now $180-200 is my upper limit on a race shoe. At a 43min 10K in a normal running shoe I just don't feel I am fast enough to justify spending $250 for the high tech until I am running my HM under 1:30 or my 10K under 38m.
QD: $3-350. I’m already spending $180 multiple times on the Carbon X. Haven’t bought the next % yet. Will soon though. But if I’m chasing PR’s. I want what will help me. And if a shoe that is $250 plus help. Best believe I am putting it on my feet. Cost is a small fraction for the happiness I will have at achieving the goal. Of course the work has to be put in, anyone that thinks a shoe will just make it happen is silly. You all get my point 💪🏻
QD: actually, the lower price for racing ang training shoe is the better situation is for the runner, I use the pegasus 35 for more than 1300 km and now i suffer stress fracture beacuse of financially status and I understand that companies must to earn from they products, but they must to set 20% lower prices
I’d buy the hoka carbon x for $180 (I think that’s the price). When I total all the costs up for a marathon, signup, training block costs, costs of the marathon weekend, it just seems hard for me to justify $250+ on a shoe that I’m only going to get a couple races out of.
The funny thing is that in recent marathons you mostly see the Alphafly Next% which speaks for itself. My only concern is the durability of the shoe. I run mid distances and I don't like buying new shoes more than once every couple of years. Given, I only run 5k distances 2-3 times per week but there is no way that I'm dropping $250+ every year on running shoes.
QD: Hi Seth. Nameste 🙏. Thank you for this awesome experience based information about both of these epic marathon running shoes. I agree with your analysis. I've got my Next% and will use them in race too because of lighter weight n swiftness as you suggested. I'm willing to pay $250 or less for a great pair of shoes because better technology is always welcome but it's our own feel of the shoes n confortability that's more important. So anything cheaper than that is much more appreciated. Take care n stay safe. 👍🌻
Got here before you titled it, amazing vid!
QD: Already paid $250 for the Vaporfly Next%, because it was the best thing out at the time. Love the shoe, but haven't been able to race in it yet. Once more of the competition is out though, I don't think I'd spend as much. The Saucony, Asics and Adidas at $200 look great.
I’ve been running the Nike alpha fly next and I have never ran in anything like it. The comfort is unbelievable I never felt anything like it. I’m buying another pair. I don’t want to run in anything else.
Thank you for all that good info and your professional opinion on both shoes. I will be going with the next %.
I have noticed on the Pegasus 36 that the ride improves with a harder foot strike / heavier landing. I am excited for the Pegasus 37 with react foam and double forefoot airbag.
Thanks man. Great comparison.
Came at it from a different perspective, but ended up in the same place. Good callout on the quick feet. Glad to have access to both, but the one you chose is the same one I would choose if I could break out one.
I'm with you, Alphafly's look so bulky (though with good reason). I like the Next because of the lower weight and feels more like a long distance running shoe.
i knew that, allready bought a second pair of next % for the next marathon, whenever that may be. Thanks for the review
It makes sense that the base of the outsole is wider on the alphafly due to how high you sit of the ground. Provides more stability so you don't roll an ankle.
LOVE IT !!!! KEEP IT COMING!
I noticed a tear in the heel part of your Alphafly's sole. I got that tear on my Vaporfly too which i think where the carbon plate is. A portion on one of the pointy ends have also come off of my Vaporfly.
The entry fee, hotel, flight costs are significantly more expensive than the racing shoes. So if the shoes do make a difference, I’m willing to pay $400-$500.
i think for anyone other than elite runners (i mean earn a living from running) the idea that your £250 shoes would lose some spring after 70 miles is borderline criminal
and still beats the vapourfly midsole battle (head scratcher) 😕
Hard to say what price I would pay. With the Next% available there would need to be a big improvement in the upper for me to change shoes right now. I will pass on the Alphafly, primarily because they do look bulky like you have described in terms of weight and girth. Since I am a big fan of Nike and I’ve always raced in them I would probably go up to $500-600 in order to get the best shoe for the marathon distance. I am self funded in my running and I am already significantly invested in my performances so I would be willing to pay a high amount if I was in a position to run an OTQ standard. For regular races I would not go beyond what the Next% is available at ($250). If you spend thousands of hours running then I can justify making one big expense if the product is good and you believe it will help you to achieve your dreams. However we do need to keep the technology in perspective and just flat out work hard like they did back in the day. So obviously we have entered into a new generation of running performances. Sorry for the short story I’ll stop now 😳
QD: I think 150 is the max. I worry about the judges around me in races, especially when I can't crack sub 3 marathons yet. I'd gladly race in the zoom fly SPs and Flyknits.
Mate, don't worry about what other people think. They are a great shoe, super comfy and won't leave your legs wrecked after a hard race. Wear what works for you, once the gun goes nobody is looking at your shoes unless they wished they had what you're wearing!
QD: most expensive shoe I’ve purchased to date was the ATR Challenger by Hoka. That said I’ve never owned a pair of Nike’s so perhaps if they were in rotation I’d look to invest in a model like this
I agree Weight>everything when it comes to racing. Which is what you should be doing in either of these shoes it’s crazy when people train in their next%’s
I have the Flynit version of the next % and my outsole has waffle treading for better grip to the ground. No scrunching of any sort because it's...again..flynit.
I get tired of too many shoe reviews. I do like some. But much more interested in your narrative, your family and running, and how you juggle it all. Thanks for all you do.
Long story short, I'd drop $200 on a race day shoe if I knew that I'd get at least 2 races and a couple of taper rums out of them. Its improved greatly over the past few months but I still heel strike and do a number on the outer heel sole.
I'm knocking on the door of that 3-hr mark (ran a 3:01:16 on my debut marathon and BQ'ed) and in addition to strength and endurance training I'm looking at equipment options. I currently train and race in a Saucony Guide (arches dropped on me when I left the army and now I may not need that stability any more, but that's a different discussion) but if I make the cut for Boston 2021 I want something lighter on my feet.
QD: 100 euros, because I rather have two running shoes for 100 euros than one expensive for 200+ euros, which I would only be wearing occasionaly.
Agree that most people are prepared to spend silly money on shoes for very minimal gains, if any gains at all. I'm currently awaiting for some Reebok Floatride Run Fast 2.0 to be delivered. Purchased them for £76 including delivery after seeing some reviews comparing them in terms of quality, weight, types of foam used in their soles and performance to the NIKE Pegasus Turbo 2 which should be enough of a shoe for 95% of athletes out there. Unless you are running a big race, are ery close to top form and probably an athlete who is bashing out Boston Qualifiers at least then these very top end shoes are a bit OTT.
Imagine a Air Jordan Next% tho....MINDBLOWN!
Next% in the US are 250usd...so that makes it 243 swiss francs. Next% in switzerland cost 350 swiss francs..thats 360usd.
LoL! F@cking thieves... +100 swiss francs...What the h3LL!
Ur getting scammed
That sucks - Ebay might be your best bet in that case. I find they're really hard to get, especially here in Australia. Luckily, my local running shop just restocked and are selling them for $320 AUD, which I think that works out to be about $206 USD. Surprising that for once we're cheaper than the states, we're usually a bit more expensive.
QOD: I never pay full retail for any running shoe. This years greatest shoes will be discounted this fall and so on , and so on. Everone seems to think the next great shoe will hand them a pr. It wont! Put in the work, enjoy the run, dont overpay for running shoes.
thomas Petalino it will
Yeah if they're still in stock.. Both these models sell out real quick! Good luck with finding these discounted lol
I guess the widest girth isn’t always the most important after all.
Next% is the greatest running shoe ever made. No one will ever convince me that it’s not. Three pairs now, and not one has ever developed a rip, stretch, or issue, and that’s running on a diversity of surfaces well past their best by date. Be grateful you got to run in the best shoe ever made.
QD: $150 - I’m not fast enough for those expensive shoes yet
Everyone is fast enough for any shoe.
@@MattNasty if you run 9 min/mi pace for marathons you probabaly will see a much smaller benefit to using a shoe like the alphafly which makes the $275 price not justified unless you simply want to look elite haha.
@suspicionofdeceit The answer is same thing as if you buy a new car that you don't like it or marry the wrong spouse. You trade them in or you live with your decisions.
Matthew Montijo fell that to the people I see jogging in next %s 😩
@@MattNasty I agree. I'm not a fast runner at all (I'm 68), but if I think a shoe can help me improve my running and get my time down in my next 10K, I'm gonna splurge.
QD: I’m not fast enough or rich enough for these. My next marathon shoes will start with a 1. Paying over $200 is just not practical for me. Great comparison Seth! 👍
I prefer the Alphafly! Love your reviews though! My feet never felt comfortable in the Vaporfly.
Was it too thin?
I've tried both and what I can say is, if I'd take the Alphafly for longer distance events. It's more comfortable and more breathable. For short to mid distance I'd take the Vaporfly as I think it felt more snug, it is lighter and it is definitely more stable that it gives more confidence to run faster than in the Alphafly. But I'd take neither if I were to go for a sprint, which these two aren't made for.
I personally like the 4 percents better then the next percents because they simply feel smoother rolling over. Plus the Flyknit is great!
hey, at 6:55 your running footage shows you pronating? on your right foot, is that a shoe issue where your foot slides medially or is it your habit?
I got a pair of Next%'s for Xmas this past year and I will most likely buy a pair for myself when my current pair wears out. I will only race in them in order to keep them as fresh as possible and to stretch their life, but if money was not a consideration I would totally run in these every day. So, if I win the lottery I will buy like 10 pairs of these. They are that good - and noticeably different from even fairly responsive non-carbon fiber plated shoes.
80 euro max. As long as it has soft forefoot cushion and wide toebox, it's not the limiting factor for my 3hour+ marathon.
I'm not sure that that comes out to in USD but I would be very hesitant to purchase any running shoes for less than $100 as an intermediate distance runner. Usually, my running shoes fall between $125 and $150. I would consider more expensives shoes only if they were durable. No way would I purchase $250+ shoes for just 150 miles of running.
@@MrSupernova111 that's 87 USD. Lots of Nike and Adidas shoes have 50% discount during Spring Summer Autumn Winter sales.
Yikun Yu . Maybe I can do a better job of looking for bargains. I’ll remember your tip come next spring.
@@MrSupernova111 I have bought most of Nike/Adidas top models that I need, such as Adidas Ultraboost, Adios 4, Boston 6/7, Solarboost, Solarglide, Nike Zoomfly fk, Pegasus 36 Trail, Pegasus 35, Epic React 1/2, Reebok Floatride Energy 1/2, Altra Escalante 1/1.5, etc, all at 50% or more discount for US9.5/Euro43. Summer sale will be there soon.
Yikun Yu . That’s a great idea. Thanks again!
QOD: Depending on how innovative the shoe is I would go up to 300. I really liked what they’ve done with the 4% and next percent and see them going in the right direction. Have a good one Seth!
What if you catch a stone with Vaporfly's hole during the race?
You take 10 seconds or less and dislodge it OR you grind through it. This issue is not unique to these models.
Andnrius D I caught an Indian arrowhead in Brooks Ghost 11s last year in a 100k. It went completely through the sole and I ran 40 miles with it in there.
@@TraumaER In an AlphaFly? (Ok, just joking). I did run short trail races in 4% though :)
It would need to be a very big stone to get stuck in that hole. You still need to look at the road ahead to see that you don't run over something you shouldn't e.g. glass, large rocks etc. I wouldn't take this shoe on trails.
Training with alphafly on village roads is impossible because of this hole
$250 seems like the ceiling for me. BUT......you bring some pretty, well designed, marketed gem into my world and I might crumble.
Hi! Sizing wise which one is smaller in the same size. I owned a Us 8-eu 41-26cm next%. But alphafly is now in mens specific size.
I'm not a Nike fan, and I don't need racing shoes. The main advantage of the Vaporfly is that they're available for purchase. I had considered trying the Carbon X, but I'm not a big fan of Hoka's foot motion.
TLDR: the difference in weight over your desired marathon effort between these shoes is 1329.19lbs.
The weight conversation is interesting. I had never really considered it, but did some math I found interesting.
Assuming you’ll run a 2’19” because we know you can. That’s 139 minutes of effort.
139 minutes at 180 steps/minute with a reduction of 5% over the duration (hills/tired legs/etc) means 25,020 steps for completion.
If each of those steps requires the movement of 1 oz, than each step equals an ounce. Compared to the next%, the Alphafly is an increase .85 of an ounce, therefore 25,020(.85) is 21,267oz.
There are 16oz in a pound, therefore 21,267/16 is 1329.19 lbs of additional work required over the duration of a 2’19” marathon effort.
I like how you calculated this but unfortunately it doesn't work like this.
Sandor Bako I, more or less, just find it interesting how magnified something so insignificant can become over repetition. Kind of like lifting weights. A person can do a “burn-out” set on bench, and rep 135lbs significantly more times than 185lbs. With regard to physics, the only real law at play there is gravity. With running and shoes, we have other things to consider. Momentum, the effort of propulsion, and the difference of energy return.
I simply meant to highlight the potential for fatigue and energy loss over a implied data points we could be familiar with.
QD: Somewhere around $300. It has to be a news value as well, so I can be able to get first hand impression of a shoe that there is much fuss about!
Do you know how long they will continue to produce the Next %? In Australia, it is always difficult to obtain the Next % i.e. it is always sold out. I'm only 5km into the testing of my 4%, so I'm a little behind anyway. What distance would you suggest testing the 4% to, to have confidence you could run a marathon in them, without wasting too much durability?
QD: about 200. I'm not a pro and I love a good shoe rotation. So rather buy more shoes for all my training, than spend so much on a racing shoe that I'm not going to use at much and is done for after 100 miles. The Endorphin Pro is for me an interesting shoe if it is 200 dollars as rumored.
Asics Metaracer is going to be 200 so far it has gotten good reviews. I'm looking to test that when it comes out
@@privatelobbies Yes, the Metaracer looks interesting too. And what is good about Asics is that you can test them and send them back if they don't work for you. Hoka and Brooks also have that service. I tried the Carbon X for a month that way, but not really the shoe for me. Otherwise, at 180 the Carbon X is an interesting option as well for marathon racers.
Nike has that same policy with regards to returns. I want to try the Hoka Carbon X but that shoe doesn't come in a 15 unfortunately lol
QD: Trying to hit 3:30 in my next marathon and strongly considering Next % for a racing shoe
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as a basketball sneaker guy i was actually surprised at his prediction in terms of the durability prospects. in general, foam bottoms out eventually. usually alot sooner than nike's various air technology. so when he said the alphaflys lost bounce that one was interesting because i think in one way it may have been the foam bottoming out especially it being thinner because of the zoom unit in place compared to the next% which is just all foam. In my knowledge its kind of a pick your poison kinda thing in regards to foam vs air. while foam can bottom out, air units can pop. not the most usual thing to happen but that is certainly a possible danger in these exposed air units. but foam doesn't pop. so in a way you're wearing more risk with air technology but it's supposed to last alot longer than foam because foam will eventuallly bottom out with heavy usage.
I agree, but I also feel like you're more likely to wear the rubber down to the zoom air pod before popping the pod itself. I dont see the same kind of impact in running shoes as opposed to basketball shoes when it comes to the zoom units. That aside, I really appreciate the atom weave, it reminds me of the Kobe NXT 360s, one of my favorite shoes ever.
Great video as usual !
QD: It all depends on your financial situation. But I am willing to say with confidence that if money was not an issue, 98% of people would choose the alphafly or next %. After wearing some different marathon shoes, I will say that any 200 dollar marathon shoe from literally any company compared to the nike marathon shoe collection is not even close to being as good as a nike marathon shoe. It is seriously not even close. I am interested in trying the NB shoe coming out and the ascics metaracer, but even those won't compare most likely. So I think spending the extra 50 bucks is so worth it if your highest priority is getting the best shoe for performance and the best shoe for your money.
Hey Seth, great review. It looks like you pronate a lot on the Next%. How do you handle it/ feel afterwards? Im asking cuz I tend to pronate on cushy shoes too. Looking forward to the Endorphin Pro’s comparison😉
Interesting question. We never pay more than $70. We wait until the shoe has been out for 6-12 months and the price drops significantly. Usually pay around $50-$60 in most cases. We don't have to have the latest because at some point, that shoe was the latest and we don't have to be follow the pack and still get that same shoe.
Running with Pete really like this idea, though I have a hard time finding my size (common size 9) and type that works for my masters bones. Guess I’m picky but what brand/models do you usually get for $70? I have gotten the occasional 2 year old Hoka Clifton (my preferred model) for $76, but rarely see anything available under $92. I’m guessing you are flexible and tend to get. Ike or Adidas, something with much larger production runs?
@@ericpetersen8645 I like the Kinvara. My wife has worn them for years and I finally got the Kinvara 10's and love them. Light enough and can get good turnover. Half Marathon's are my longest distance race but she does Marathon's in them with no issues and loves them. So we are on the Saucony mailing list (sign up online) and we got notification about their clearance on Kinvara's back in January. I'm also a size 9 which can be tough to find but they had a ton of them in my size in about 3 colors which suit my taste. I also like Running Warehouse and active gearup website. Hope you find some good deals!
Running with Pete thanks!
What do you like to eat before your long run?
QD: £250 is the maximum I’d pay providing I can get 200 miles in the shoe. I got the next% for Brighton marathon and know I can get a good few races in the shoe and then retire it for training use.
When you say a training shoe, what would you be using them for specifically?
Just got hold of the Alpha Fly and I have to say I love the air buds but I don't like the upper mesh as much as the Next%
QD: last few years spent way more in shoes than what I originally considered fair for this sport so I'm being disciplined now and use each pair at least 250 miles (and everything with React or from Hoka is happily lasting longer). This makes these ZoomX (and NB Fresh Foam) shoes a no go because of durability. Cheers
I loved the Nike 4% my favourite marathon shoe. I have the Next% and don’t like the upper but it’s a faster shoe and you grow to really like it. However, I use it sparingly as I don’t think it’s a high mileage shoe. I think I’ll probably want to try the Alphaflys but again I think it will be a race day only shoe. Nike are bringing out a Tempo shoe as the Alpha training companion be interested in seeing if that’s any good? Didn’t like the ZoomX 3 and preferred the Pegasus Turbo2.
what socks are you wearing @5:38 and @6:56 ? Brand name or any links please?
So in chosing the regular Next% for New York, do you think that the Next% is faster than the Alphafly? Or are they that similar in performance benefit, that it comes down to more subjective things like shape and feel? I just find it hard to believe that it'd be slower than a previous model!?!
Brought a pair of Alphaflys a few days ago off Ebay £200 brand new in the box and an hoping to use them for London in 15days time!!
QD: 175,00€ maximum! Because shoe companies are thieves anyway (they produce shoes in Asia with a few dollars per month salary for every worker...). Because non-pro runners have to buy shoes frequently and if the prices are that high, runners will go bankrupt... Because very often running shoes, even the expensive and new ones, have many problems (for example airpods do not work that well... pretty soon....)
Was really hoping covid would bring prices down by now... also why hasn’t the next % been reduced significantly now that the alphaFky is out?
The answer... "Because people will pay it"
JoyRidaz you won’t see that until one year after everyone can get the alpha fly
The problem with AlphaFly is that step in outsole. When you get tired at the end of the marathon the foot strike gets worse and it's tough to be on toes. I think that the VF Next% could be a faster shoe with tired legs.
I've only run in the Next%, and I thought the pricing was stupid when they came out. But I'll honestly say after a half and full marathon in them...it's worth every penny. These shoes definitely do perform! Alphaflys look a little goofy for me though. Not sure I'll make that leap.
I'm still a fan of the 4% Flyknit, although I think I'd like the Alphafly. I haven't tried the Next %, but Ihave a pair of Zoom Fly 3s and it's difficult for me to get a good fit with that Vaporweave upper. Next time I buy a race shoe, it'll be either the 4% Flyknit (at a nice discount), or the Alphafly.
QD: Max £250 if I know it is durable enough to perform the same way for 3/4 races (half & full marathons)
How many miles should running shoes last?
Depends on your foot strike
QD: I want to say $180 but if I’m honest it’s probably $300. The most I’ve ever paid is $180 but I’m on the verge of breaking 3 hours at 50 years old and I really want to reach that goal so if a shoe helps. Also another commenter helped me feel better about that citing the entry fee and travel costs relative to the shoe price LOL!
QD: 150€, I bought Mizuno Wave Shadow 3 for middle distance (10k - 25k) in Sale for 61€ :-)
QD: $160. The Carbon X is actually not that expensive for having a carbon plate and being a racing shoe so I would get those. A close second would be the zoom fly 3.
Hi seth have you seen the adidas adizero pro??carbon plate offerings?could you review it and give me your thoughts as I kind of use your knowledge and my final decision on running shoes.cheers scott wiggy
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Probably like Hoka, the large footprint gives more surface area to stabilize shoes with large stack heights
I would definitely go for the next percent, if I could get my hands on a damn pair.
I’d be willing to pay a maximum of $150 for a marathon shoe. I ran my first and only marathon this past October in the Brooks Ghost 12 so I don’t see the need to spend more, however I’m not a competitive runner.
Hello! May I ask what was your Marathon finishing time?
Ernie G. 4 hours 46 minutes at the Marine Corp marathon
Thomas Abbott Thanks for answering. I was just curious. I am a 3 hour marathoner and I do not pay a lot of money for my racing shoes. I think that if you are injuries free and well prepared, you just don’t need expensive shoes . Peace!
Ernie G. 3 hour is impressive! I agree with your thoughts.
Thomas Abbott 👍🏾 Hello from Athens - Greece 🏃🏽
Seth, My daughter is on her high school cross-country and track teams. So, she runs 5k cross-country races and the 1 and 2 mile track races. Everyone says these are marathon shoes, but will they work for her cross-country and track races? If not, what would you recommend for those 2 racing circumstances? A big thanks, in advance, fir your help. FD