A Cheater I spectated in Overwatch 2 got BANNED while he was LIVE
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“There’s people better than you” “That is true, swiftie. You are not one of those people” gold
Fuckin ROASTED
flats is a savage 😂
Not gold, but Top 500.
@@azuresky2301
This player isn't even a top 500 Widow... Which says alot if his aim was truly this good.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 I'm pretty sure it was in regards to the joke.
Keep in mind, evading a ban is bannable. If your original account was banned for cheating and you make a new account that can be banned simply for evading the ban
I've been really curious about this, because there are a lot of people who play on alt accounts and are really toxic because they do not care if their alt account gets banned. It would make sense that playing on an alt account and getting banned should also mean you should not be able to play on your main account, but I'm not positive Blizz see's it that way.
@@bull_ow They shouldn't, sometimes it is hard to check on other accounts when people use them. I am not sure exactly how Blizzard takes care of it, but if they are using VPN it will be harder for them to see the right IP. So you can get away with using ult accounts easily, but you can get banned if reported.
Tbh it is not true. Some years ago I got banned for trash talking way too much. Alright didn’t contested cuz I was wrong etc, but it was just around the time private profile was implemented on the game and for that reason i couldn’t even open my old account’s profile using another one to see my old status.
So I opened a ticket explaining it to blizzard using ANOTHER account. If evading a ban were really bannable I’d be banned the moment I said I was playing in a Smurf account.
@@idk.man_ Perhaps they didn't mind as much when you had to purchase the game again? This could be a new thing since the game has gone free to play. I am only speculating though.
Lmao i have 5 closed accounts blizz doesn't care
I love how people are like “he’s not cheating he’s not cheating” … I wonder if they’ve ever noticed that pro tournaments have outlines on and you never see the professional widows “accidentally” put their crosshair directly on someone through 4 walls 💀
you def will if you watch it. everything looks sus in .1 especially when you are looking for something sus. he is not cheating he has been unbanned by blizz. He streams with handcam and his monitor show on webcam. Stop throating flats opinion and get on of your own.
@@kyle57688 fun fact Kyle, this is a two sided argument. Which means I either agree with flats, who’s opinion is 50 percent, or I “throat” someone else’s opinion which is also 50 percent. I’m sorry you’re sensitive to the point where you have to get hostile over an opinion jus cuz you don’t agree. Maybe get a life ya?
@@kyle57688 *one of your own. Jus helping
@@kyle57688 if it was him that posted a pic of an unban message I'm not buying it. Making new accounts is easy, and editing text in pictures is even easier.
@@kyle57688 he was confirmed to be cheating
I think something really interesting to spot cheaters is their mechanics are disparate. Like the dude was hitting nothing but headshots but couldn't hook to save his life
no he wasn’t hitting many of his shots from the vods I watched.
@@crybabysquawww6023probably because he doesn't cheat on stream, only off stream (such as he was here)
I'm not good at aiming at all but tbh I can't hook for shit either LMAO
That feels vindicating to have those people be like "You're dumb flats he isn't cheating." and then he gets banned.
but the dude said its a false ban and lying is bad so he must be telling the truth....
@@_nexul_9906 Yeah, people online never lie, especially on stream! Never ever
@@_nexul_9906 yeah he can't be lying! lying is a sin he must be telling the truth then.
@@_nexul_9906 Tbf 99% of the time someone says they were falsely banned they're lying.
I hate people like this so much, once you get good at something, you can tell if someone cheating or not. Even in irl sport, people will know if someone using drug or not. In the eyes of normal person we wont able to tell. If one day Usain Bolt run 5% faster than what he normally run, people will get suspicious.
Bro I watched the first part live and was so pissed at chat who thought you were wrong. Seeing this happen with a conclusion is so satisfying lmao
The sheer amount of people who said he wasn't cheating was insane lmao
Same. It's always like that when it comes to cheating "discussions". There's always the large amount of people who have no idea how cheats work these days. They are essentially...completely clueless and do not know ANYTHING about the matter yet like to be very loud about their uneducated...trash take.
Also some people defend the cheater (they know they cheat) because they themself are a cheater/cheat developer. The more cheaters get exposed and caught the more likely is that they get exposed because of raising awareness to the dumbos who legit where thinking that the person was not cheating.
This comment makes me think of a good Ace Attorney case: "People are wrong. It's satisfying to see the culprit get caught".
@almasyxx99 If you miss the first few shots that looked magnetic, he tones it down juuuuust enough that you could convince yourself they were really good flicks. It just becomes the sheer quantity of headshots and frame perfect shots that make it sketchy then.
Even the chat says "his partner just called the ash out"
Then why can't they join flats' voice chat, it's top 500 my guy?
He even pre-lined his shot on the mercy coming out of spawn at one point without using his legitimate wall ability.
the fact that he repeated 20 times that "they manually banned him" makes me 100% more certain that he is cheating xD
Brooks is the guy he queues with and they actually have youtube channels and all they're not actually cheating pretty sure they're actually just good
@@footur3179 bro did you even watch the video? Also of course they arent going to post clips that look like cheating lmao
@@crazyfry2788 Did you even read my comment? Nobody can be good at the game anymore. If your name isn't recognizable from OW1 then "Oh look you have to be cheating". It's not them posting clips of them cheating, they upload full on fucking youtube videos my guy lmao
@@footur3179 my boy. It could be full documentaries for all I care. There is something called editing, so using anything THEY uploaded isn't proof for anything. And if you watch the video, there is PROOF that he is walling
@@footur3179 Ah yes, the good ole' I'm so good I lock onto people from behind walls. Skill issue right 😭
Played against this guy like a week ago on that exact account while in masters. Went to his stream because I was curious what his background was. All he said was this is his first competitive game and he's just talented.
Absolutely conpensating for something
Lmaooo he really thought people would believe his “I’m him” excuse
@@VitoriaIamwell frighin said!
@@VitoriaIam "He's me. I'm him."
I love how he hypes himself up with "omg blizzard is watching me there's a dev in the chat" and just completed ignoring how stupid he looks lmao
Inflated sense of self worth
Not shocking among sociopaths
Meanwhile my friend got his account banned for no reason at 1st, when inquired them further, they say he used hacks. Lol all he ever played was junkrat.
Such ugly schemes that Blizzard run at the backend!
@@IronMan-jj2fd Perhaps your friend isn't as trustworthy as you thought?
@@IronMan-jj2fd Blizzard just made it so if you're duo'd/grouped with a cheater and you know they're hacking, you get banned too.
@@IronMan-jj2fd Yeah your friend is a liar and was cheating. Doesnt surprise me that a cheater would lie too
cant think of anything dumber then cheating whilst streaming XD
For real. I'm not sure if twitch allows that as well.
@@Reaperguy67 no you generally get permad if you cheat on stream
@@Zelepha interesting. Thanks for the information
I know of a streamer who “forgot” he was still live and started watching porn. Twice.
So true 😂
2:59 the places dps will ask for healing in. Unbelievable
"you are not one of them" damn the most sit tf down moment I've heard from flats and it was golden lol
That Orisa was hitting really good spears
Once you start playing her, you start to realize how fat the hit box on it is, so it’s really hella funny knocking a widow or Hanzo off the high ground with em
also the Widow was just standing on the same spot she's fired before most of the time which is usually why actual good players on her don't stick to the same spot as without walls, you have the disadvantage since the enemy knows exactly where you are since you won't move.
It's rarely super hard to hit a Widow. They don't move much, and the spear's as big as her.
Orisa was cheating
(jk)
@Fultonian Its so weird how the hitbox for hitting players is bigger than the one for hitting walls, like if they want to balance it with big one atleast make it hit wall with the big hitbox too
I like how it was also his duo that was doing his most at defending him lmfao
Parasites stick together, until one of them becomes inconvenient or a liability to the operation
Didn't want to lose their booster
@@milanferrari9420 F. I had that same discord problem lol, apparently my number is a landline so I had to ask my brother.
This dude was unbanned and is now able to play OW again after Bliizz reviewed his accounts. He's just a genuinely good Widow. He now streams with camera pointing at his monitors and hands.
@Wpsp2010 would you not defend your mate who gets falsly accused of cheating? Blizzard themself confirmed he is not cheating... and mouse + monitor cam...
“There are people in this that are better than me… you are not one of them.” BRUTALLLL
There is also one more thing to note about this. The shot on Cassidy right after rez, you can see he the aim follows his chest and then goes to the head. That's because the aim assist is probably going to the hitbox of id 0 first to detect the target, the chest is the hitbox 0. Marblr made a video about Cassidy's Deadeye misses and he mentions about the hitbox of id 0. Some cheats tend to use in game mechanics (for instance of some found on bots) to make it more difficult to be detected.
After he got banned live I was hoping to see him bring out the classic, “Clara!?!?!” Also I love how right after you capped first, he tracked the mercy walking out of spawn and immediately tagged her the second she was visible. He has walls, no question.
Yah he tracked 3 people through walls, he aimed in on orisa behind walls, mercy, then directly on Hanzo like bro you seriously have your ult right there bro😂
can you give me a time/minute? i'm dumb and can't find it lmao
Also here I’m pretty sure 7:35
@@no_i_dont_want_no_slugs it was around 3:58, after he frame perfect shot the deflect, you can see him notice the mercy walking out of spawn and wait with his cross hair on the door and tag her the second she is visible
@@Enigma366 That doesn't prove anything though. He knows where they are spawning from. They either going to come from the road on the right or the exit mercy came from which is why he has his reticle trained inbeween the head level of both. If he saw mercy through the wall he likely would have lowered it before he saw her (not right when she appears). Thats just good game sense and should be expected at this level. I do that kind of stuff all the time when I play widow and I'm only Plat/Diamond. It kind of shocks me that this is so foreign to so many people. I assumed this is the thought process most decent players go through when playing a sniping character.
Not only is it fun to know some one has been banned for cheating but banned while streaming.
He was unbanned following manual review because he doesn’t hack. Flats is an idiot who just throws matches when he thinks there’s a cheater😂
Yep I loved his freakout "they are manually banning me 🤌" yeah no shit Sherlock overwatch TOS states that circumventing a ban by makeing a new account means said account will also be banned and blud really went live on twich in the overwatch category wondering why he got banned as soon as a blizzard dev noticed him steaming overwatch on his twitch willst beeing banned from said game... yeah that dude really ain't the smartest. Like ofc his acc doesn't get banned when he has his 3 friends watching bro is really delusional. No one is out for him it is just that it is fucking stupid to go live on a game you have a ban for... especially willst stating you have 3 more accounts already like why wouldn't they have someone looking at his stream every once in a while even more so since he is streaming it since him telling people to circumvent bans is bad for blizzard so that dude himself drew a huge target on his back by talking all that smack.
honestly, ive seen my fair share of morons streaming themselves cheating and holy shit the level of stupidity is insane, one chick said it was a bug, a dude was in an actual tournament with other high ranked players or pros and was streaming his screen externally to show there wasnt walls and his dumbass mid stream turned them back on and you can see the boxes, some dude hit some keybinds and popped up his engineowning, like the idiocy is just next level
the fact that he wasn’t even using infra-sight yet still knew when they’d walk past a corner gives it away, good shit flats
you reek of bronze brain
@bistplyer2057 Easily photoshop and then create a new account. It isn't hard, we can't even check his battle tag to see if it's even the same account that was unbanned. From what I've seen OW has one of the worst anti-cheat system solely based on the fact that you can create a million alt accounts even after getting banned with the same usernames too.
@@doremifgasolineYou can literally look his battletag up and see that he's played after getting banned so obviously he's gotten unbanned
I'm completely with you on the "he looks sus as fuck sometimes" but he's streaming with handcam and monitorcam like what more can a man do
@@datluno4567 Recording with a handcam only proves the cheats are not visible on his screen. Also, do we even know he's looking at the SAME screen the cam is on? It's an easy diversion to say, "hey, I'm not cheating, check my stream." But it's very easy to work around.
@@datluno4567 If you want to prove you are clear in these situations and that you are so good, here are some things you can do.
Facecam, room cam, look over files manually with stream.
If you got NOTHING to hide, these should not be issues. These are things that can be done to combat these issues. And it has to be consistent, not a one time thing.
11:16 The guy's cheats are so good he's preparing for a shot at a widow from another game
There is always the grayarea between "he's hacking for sure" and "I'm not sure but it looks sus enough for me to warrant a report". He comfortably fell into the latter category.
Its like Flats said at the end. If they arent cheating, then nothing will happen. If they are, they get banned. The report basically just gets them on the radar if they werent already. Its a damn shame that he straight up says he can just make more accounts and already has 2 backups. It makes me wish IP bans and hardware bans were used more. But the downside is once something is hardware banned, he can just replace it and be fine, and if he sells that tech to someone else who tries to play, they are already banned before ever seeing a match.
@@justg0witit49 Yeah hardware or ip ban is a scary road to go down. He should get a ban where it's harder for him to just make a new account though. A phone number ban or something like that but I don't think you even have to connect your phone right now, since they had a problem with that in the start which they removed.
@@justg0witit49 see thats the issue though which no one here understands - if it was a normal report it would work like that but you think there aren't blizz devs in the chat and watching stream and prolly just manually banned him with zero anti cheat evidence - i feel bad for the guy
@Tekokid Oh there were for sure devs watching. I dont feel bad though. He got reported and the first time, not this one we saw since he said he'd been banned 3 timed before, was legit. After that he violated TOS by having multiple accounts to dodge the ban
@@Zyborgg It's a scary road, yeah. A false ban would be the worst thing. But considering the consequences are currently minimal, I'm not too sure what else could really be done
As someone who didn't know that there was a thing such as "trigger bot" I was still wondering just how tf he was hitting insanely frame perfect shots. The cherry on top was that he ended up streaming after all and getting caught red handed more than once. Some people just don't understand that there are consequences to dumb actions.
For future reference: The trigger bot is basically a self-toggling aimbot. You ballpark the shot with your crosshair, and when you pull the trigger it fills in the rest.
That's the major thing that makes it difficult to tell whether or not one is being used.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 Oh so it's as easy as just having a simple keybind for it? That's so frickin' stupid.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 No, a trigger bot is an automatic firing bot. I.e you put your crosshair over them and it immediately fires, which means for a hitscan this guy would of never missed a shot at all because it just wouldn't fire unless he was guaranteed to hit it. What you're talking about is just an aimbot.
Game Awareness is how a top500 player can predict frame perfect shots. Have you never done it? I have, and I'm not cheating, genjis blade for example has a sound, Rez has a change in colour, both equally timed and muscle memory will allow you to time these shots. Also trigger bot triggering on a frame perfect genji but he continued to shoot a deflecting genji? So he's just toggling the triggerbot constantly? What's the point, just keep it on and not aim at the genji at that point. Also doesn't explain a lot of his shots just not firing. A trigger bot on widow is near enough pointless due to the fact it needs to charge up, where the trigger bot would automatically fire a shot despite the charge time, unless there's a specific bot for widow that takes that into account?
@@scotttimbrell8632 okay egomaniac stalking the comments dickriding the known ban evader and likely cheater from past issues. I totally believe everything you say when you defend someone who straight up admitted he would ban evade in the video, with no proof to any of your claims and no point that makes me interested in reading more than two sentences of your 90 comments defending said known ban evader, you're soooooooooooo cool for that! Bubye.
Something I noticed that was really quick and I don't think Flats noticed is at 5:56 when they change from Widow to Tracer there is a bit where right after they change to tracer they aren't highlighted by the Widow ult BUT the guy's cursor gets SCARILY CLOSE to hovering right over them.
One of the things I noticed is that during the part from 3:50 to 4:40 there was a lot of movement there and aiming for things that the widow should not have been able to know. Specifically when the soldier came out around 4:25. The widow moves to the right and pre-aims to the door that has otherwise been completely unused for no particular reason but to catch that soldier.
Yup definitely wallhacking at the very least. I'm definitely thinking walls and trigger
you can clearly hear the soldier though
@@wicked5999 the part that seals it for me is 5:57. the tracking on the tracer/having your crosshair in the center of the map is entirely unnecessary. if i've got 3 on cart and it's moving, i'm not looking at the cart i'm looking at spawn doors.
@@akkikothey have widow ult in that tracer example lol but I do think they’re cheating
@@wicked5999you can hear faint footsteps yes but the way she reacts is so fast. It’s almost like idk she saw him coming 😱
People only stream their monitors separately if they know they are doing something wrong, to try and "prove" they arent cheating. Also the blatant ban evasion on stream is hilarious.
I am curious where the walls would be in that setup, maybe another monitor off to the right.
yeah, even if he ISNT cheating and was falsely banned - ban evasion is bannable on its own. He'd still technically be breaking a rule lol
Dude also went through his Task manager
This! If you are not cheating, then you would not go through the effort of setting this up.
Especially suspicious if he doesnt even show what his hands are doing
Look at 10:15 he pre-fired Hanzo without ult… he is 10000% using wallhacks
Totally missed that, you're right that's definitely a pre-fire
Nope you can see his bow and like half of his body before he fires. Just giving the benefit of the doubt and you should too.
hanzo basically out of vision the whole time and far enough to not be heard. Plus the ult sounds.... impossible to know he is there
bro most definitely the hanzo wasn't peaked yet he was nearly perfect head level and he shot the hanzo's head just the door way lip blocked it
to add to my comment he also shot withing .1 seconds of hanzo passing his crosshair even though it was through the wall
I find it especially egregious that Widow could not walk a few steps to get a health pack in the beginning before the cheating was obvious.
Honestly, I low-key think the people vehemently defending the cheaters by saying "He's NOT cheating, you're just stupid!!" are either cheaters themselves/have friends that cheat, or are considering cheating. Because even if you're not convinced, taking that extra step of "It's hard to tell, I can't say that he's cheating" to "He is NOT cheating, he straight up isn't, there is no way!" requires something extra, something personal.
its the right wing mindset... yeah i went political
@@belfire777 uh what
@@LordRobaZe truth deniers
7 months old, though from a different game. A low of 'hacking' could be attributed to just poor form. I can't remember what it was, though if we say it's mouse jitter. It looks suspicious, but I myself also recognized it as something I did, which as a non-cheater, I'd argue against it being proof of cheating.
Though if I were cheating, I'd also argue against it being non-cheating - though that's another potential reason on why some people might argue so adamantly. That said, I've only seen like 3-4 videos of Flats on Hacking, and his takes all seem to be fine thus far - so not sure if the same level of scrutiny is consistent across all his videos.
@@belfire777 "truth deniers" that's funny coming from people that believe men can become women lol
I feel like people who DON`T play widow don´t know what insane shots he took.
Pine one of the greatest had a tracking aim style, flicks are just very inconsistent in proplay.
He never hits his tracking shots, only flicks when you can´t tell the trigger bot.
Also the headshot consistency is just too high.
It only went down when they called him out...
yeah theoratcily people who have triggerbot should have fine aim but they don't they aim in a pretty weird way
And when he was tracking, it was through walls, the most suspect was Hanzo. Bro your partner has to hsve 20/20 eyesight and great game awareness to call out a Hanzo running up the stairs in the back while ACTIVELY FIGHTING THE REST OF THE TEAM and he scoped directly at him.
@@x0gucx The Hanzo wasn't even visible throughout most of that sequence, he was literally behind the walls the whole time. The only way I could imagine someone figuring out the Hanzo was there was due to the origin point of the Dragonstrike he just shot. But even then, you can't really tell which direction he went. Even if you used logical reasoning to deduce that he likely went in the direction of the stairs, it's incredibly sus that the Widow was tracking his silhouette the entire time...
also: even elite snipers will sometimes watch a wrong angle where no one actually is. He -never- watches a wrong corner. He might miss the actual shot sometimes, but he always knows where everyone is at all times, and never ever wastes his time staring where enemies are not.
Is this a Top 500 Widow? No? Then it's cheating to be THIS consistent with head shots and wall targeting to an enemy player.
Even on Consoles, always hitting head shots with a Widow is not this consistent nor as quick within frames.
If you get banned, and they make a new account to avoid the ban, most game will ban you again... If all of that is live on stream then the proof you're avoiding a ban is literally right there- idk what he expected.
Yea it's probably that. Even if he afk'd and let his torb turret do all the kills. If they catch him playing and avoiding the ban he'll get re-banned.
iirc, blizz caught some flak a few years back because they were banning based on hardware, so you couldn't just use a different ip to mask yourself or get a new account. idk if that's still a think they're doing or not however
"I just killed 3, I'm hacking... my accounts been banned" 💀
Karq struggling with "start at 9.12 and let it play" was the most frustrating thing I've ever heard.
Truly it was but he’s karq so we love him
So, at 7:37 Widow supposedly spots Ashe, flicks over, and gets a headshot. That's an insane shot to make, but also: Ashe was visible (at least 1 pixel), for under half a second. The best reaction time ever recorded was 0.12 seconds (apparently), and the average person has a reaction time of 0.2-0.3 seconds. So, this shot could be legitimate, provided the Widow was able to recognise Ashe from the first frame a single pixel of her model was on screen. Or, he's cheating and not the single most observant person in the world.
Of course, all this detective work is made redundant by the fact the cheater gets banned later, but it's still important to learn how to spot cheaters. This one shot was bs, and so I took the time to break down exactly how it was bs.
Reaction time has nothing to do with spotting that ashe, after seeing the few frames where the ashe was visible his brain went back and processed he saw her, after realizing this he quickly goes for a re peek. The only single thing he would be paying attention to while he was looking there would be where the ashe was through that tiny sight line.
Overall, I believe that this shot on its own is doable, but the rest of the game proves the player is cheating in multiple instances.
when trying hit shots on thin pixel angles like that, you never want to actually rely on your reaction times. You should prime yourself to be shooting at literally anything that is not the expected geometry and skip the step of recognition entirely. Thats how you hit insanely fast shots as widow - preaim the angle, then shoot the second you are out on it. If you made a good read on the position, you will hit a shot that seems faster than possible. The downside of doing that is you need to make a really good read or get a callout that there is someone there and your crosshair placement needs to be perfect so you can shoot before the other person's reaction time kicks in. Im M2 and can pull off a shot of that calibre maybe once a week... Possible, but hard and risky (since you give away your positioning which can be deadly in a sniper duel).
The thing here is that he has walls so he knows his read and crosshair placement are perfect, so the risk and skill of taking a prefire shot like this are both completely out the window. If that shot was the only sus thing he did all game, I wouldnt call cheats. There were just a dozen other things that are also pointing to him having walls. Making one read like this in a game happens, but nobody has 10 moments like this a game except cheaters
@@gregoryb6494 Love this breakdown.
Yeah great breakdown... except you missed critical thinking skills to realise that seeing the Ashe wasn't the reason why he reacted, if he reacted that fast then he wouldn't of changed direction, he saw the shot (at least I did, dunno if your smooth brain did) heard the shot (which is distinctly Ashes) and then contested that shot (which is easier to line up between 2 door posts than in the open, for obvious reasons) so in no way is an insane shot for a top500 widow main to hit.
It could've been the Cass next to her that pinged the Ashe. Still has wall hacks though, rest of the video confirms it.
rage-hacking videos are definitely fun, but i really enjoy hearing an experienced player doing a deep analysis like this on more subtle cases! it's really insightful & nice to hear you talk through the tiny moments that catch your attention (also good on you for drawing, that's a courtesy i unfortunately don't see extended often)
Deep analysis? 90% of it was he doesn't miss and only gets headshots. And then replaying the same clip that is suspicious but not conclusive. Flats doesn't give much of his thought process other than basic stuff anyone can spot (looking through walls, and montage worthy shots) (which can be all coincidences) Susing out these coincidences and explaining why the gameplay is to good for human play is where experience comes from but that isn't done in this video. It is just hackaccusation at anything sus.
It was pretty much 10 minutes of Flats not distinguishing between something a really good widow could do and what passes the realm of reasonable. Any hackaccusation part is meaningless when no other parts are commented on other than vague "he never misses" and reactions to really good shots.
Not to mention, it isn't even convincing that the guy got banned was cheating. Plenty of times we've seen streamers from other games get people banned by calling them out for cheating. The video doesn't show the reason why he got banned. Not very deep at all.
@@peyches00majickmanshin2 8:58
@@peyches00majickmanshin2 he also got unbanned after a few days lol, the ban was false ban for cheating.
@@Momokyun bs he hasn't streamed since I just checked
@@peyches00majickmanshin2 Go outside
Honestly when he said "im hacking" and istantly got banned is the funniest thing i seen in overwatch this season
I don't understand the argument of "It doesn't show the scheats on the screen while they're streaming therefore they are not cheating!" When there are literal compilations of people messing up and not adjusting their stream labs to hide their cheats and then get exposed 😂😂😂
i love how surprised he was at the end when he got banned live, its always great to see cheaters get what they deserve especially when they are steaming
Acting like someone is watching him stream because the anti cheats got his ass and he has no other excuse lmao priceless
Yeah, even if they are manually banning you it’s because you been cheating and making new accounts to ban evade. Not because you killed 3 lol. Like he was acting like a manual ban makes it better. No, that just means they know you are the same guy who got caught before.
It's not a big deal
It's literally all you do....
@@harryf9885 OW's anticheat tags your serial in the BIOS, he's getting autobanned :)
There are legit widow makers who are better than this guy who don't get reported for cheating. This video in no way screams cheating and I can bet that even you have had better games than this top500 widow main who misses a lot of his shots, messed up a bunch of grapples and hit 1-2 "insane" shots over the course of the game. He knew the ashe was there because she shot at him, he crouched which is why it looked weird. The hanzo clip was a grapple mistake where he hit the floor and stopped instead of flying to the window which is clearly what you want to do and just ended up looking at the wall which happened to have a hanzo, and then following his loud ass slippers up the wall. Like these things are easily explained normally and if they are then it's more likely to assume he's not cheating and mass reporting (which most likely happened due to KarQ and Flats being unfair to a lot of the gameplay in this video could lead to) will more than likely get this guy autobanned. People get falsely banned all the time and assuming the anti-cheat system is flawless is stupid.
notice his friend desperate in the chat when they throw the match, priceless reaction!!!
do you think his friend believes he's not cheating? that'd be sad if he was just a loyal friend :( but surely he must know? idk...
@@no_i_dont_want_no_slugs possibly, but after his friend got a bunch bans is hard to belive he didn't supect in the very least.
His friend was talking in the background and the streaming part when he got banned again live.
Odds are it was probably the same guy.
@@EchoBoop true, true.
@@no_i_dont_want_no_slugs yeah.. i do believe hes not cheating cause he isnt lmfao. he was unbanned today because guess what, he wasnt cheating
If anything this just reminds me how insanely good Kenzo is at Widow. Up until 8:34 I wasn't entirely sold on him being a cheater because I've seen Kenzo land even crazier shots with less effort. Didn't realize how warped my view of skill was from watching all these good players XD
to me it looked like he was trying to pre aim out the window, but accidentially cuts his grapple short, so the momentum doesnt quite push him the whole way. reason i think this is bc i have done that many times
@@johannlemberg2526 That's exactly what I was thinking too, it is completely within the realm of possibility that Hanzo just happened to be over there. I've definitely scoped in thinking my grapple was taking me further than it did.
@@johannlemberg2526I know this comment is old, but there was no widow on the other team.
@@Muuune never said there was?
@@johannlemberg2526Yeah, that's my bad, misread it. Still, considering that he has multiple accounts banned, and this account was banned too I still don't think your explanation stands. Anyways, have a good day/night!
"i reported, if he gets banned i did my part, if not hes not cheating" Words to live by
says the streamer to the masses who also report, which leads to a mass report and instant ban...
@@loganfarrar7271 Mass reports don't work. Devs made an official statement about it.
@@wicked5999 They also lie. This has been tested in other Blizz games that they touted there were no automated repot banning systems in. The truth is they don't hire enough CMs to manage reports so they automate everything.
@@domiasmoth claims the youtube commenter
@@domiasmothI can confirm mass reporting doesn't work unless it's warranted, all that does is prioritize a person's case. They do go through every case with multiple reports, they check chat logs, they have handed back people the exact messages they were banned for. Some are straight up slurs, others are as dumb as yo mama jokes. Point is, they do their due diligence. The game might be dogshit but at least they've worked the report system where it can't be abused like that
Sometimes i wonder what drugs chat is on, cause i am high and even i noticed the cheats pretty fast without flats pointing them out lol.
Twitch chatters were never bright.
Mood
Majority of twitch chat is likely between gold-plat and don't know what they're talking about. Im low masters, which is technically much better than the average player - however I dont go around into twitch chats literally telling t500 streamers they dont know what theyre talking about.
Like imagine being literally average/mediocre at the game, and you're gonna tell someone who is top 1% in the game - and someone who plays the game FOR A LIVING that they are wrong/bad. Like you're just delusional at that point
@@masift1494 Technically, you don't have to be GM or Top 500 to know if someone is cheating. You just have to have eyes for it or in other words, intelligence
@@Ravitas3 "intelligence [about cheats]" some ppl (not me) are smart in other stuff, they just have no experience/knowledge about cheats.
“People are better than you, that is true swifty, you are not one of those people” goes HARRRDD 🔥🔥 keep it up Flats, love your content!
I just love how KARQ Is sort of worried that the widow got banned an then is the other side of the story with FLATS straight laughing at the banned widow 😂
I want to see more games like this. If there is a cheater discovered in a match everyone should just draw the game and review the suspects. No one is losing, were cleaning up the community of these insects, everyone will be happy 😔
Except he wasn’t cheating, was unbanned a day later after flats accused him, causing him to be manually banned by the cuck dev in flats chat, and after he threw the match because he SUSPECTED a cheater that wasn’t cheating.
unfortunately, lower ranks refuse to do that. Everyone is so focused on "gotta get out of " to ever just take a draw. Not to mention the fact that in masters and up, the amount of people there are WAY less than there are people diamond down. So these guys, especially like Flats and Karq and the top 500 types, they are playing with and against each other basically everytime they play the game, so there is more trust in both the player's that are calling out a cheater, and in that player's ability to assess that another is actually cheating
You know the worst part is that what he said on the first part of his stream is right, he can just make another account and as long as he doesn't stream (not too many ppl watch him) he won't get banned
I don't know how Blizzard's anti-cheat works (and probably nobody knows for obvious reason), but his hardware may be getting flagged, so he could be banned quickly on any other account he uses on that computer. I don't know if the anti-cheat works like that, but I hope so!
@Lama they tried making you need a phone number to play
Couldnt use spoof number stuff but because legit services got hit by this they stopped even though it made sense in theory
@@talonqueenzulia313 you still need a phone number to play made an alt acount a few days ago to play with friends who are new to the and newish to the fps genre and during the account making process the game requires you to make a blizzard account with a phone number for authentication.
I've actually gotten a quite few people reported for blatant hacking on Quickplay. Honestly, every actual hacking person (I rewatch the match to make sure, I take reporting seriously) I've reported has been banned so far.
@@talonqueenzulia313 You still need to if its a new account.
“There are people better than me, you are not one of them”
Damn 💀
Roasted live on 1080p🍿
Watching these highlights and hearing him insult chat like just because they say they're not cheating feels kinda bad at first, but then you realize that they're probably insulting him first and then becomes kinda justified
that Hanzo moment at 9:12 seemed the most suspicious to me. He never saw him wallclimb up there and he aimed through the wall, then even shot his widow mine and pinged that hanzo was inc from the side. Also that last ban on his new account I think someone already pointed out that they will just ban you again if you are ''ban evading'' by making new accounts to play. GG's, fun video to watch!
Checked out that vod and dude was coping HARD. Lil man really thinks he has a dev sitting watching his garbage stream waiting for him to hit a clip and ban him immediately.
And the arrogance of most cheaters is crazy. "how dare you ban someone who is literally ruining the game for everyone else?"
Flats was coping hard in this video, man's running out of content because he's a reaction channel and not an overwatch 2 channel anymore.
@@scotttimbrell8632cat
@@scotttimbrell8632 if it's was top 500 widow then he won't suspect it. That's why he just report it and move on. If he really not cheating then he won't be banned. And he IS tank main not fragger main, so his analysis aren't good from the start.
He's doing watch session because peoples likes you That's said flats didn't know good widow, well he is. It's not his job to decide wether someone banned for cheating anyway he can only report
@@ganangfakhriansyah4552 Many actual cheater's don't get banned when they are blatantly hacking for months, even when recorded by Jay3, Emongg and Flats. Do you really think this guy got reported and instantly banned? Nah I doubt that very much, especially considering his stats weren't crazy or anything and we don't actually know what anti-cheat Blizzard uses, but it's never that good. His other bans happened because he was banned once before either way.
I was actually there for this! It was honestly funny how the cheater had a friend who tried defending him during it.
Near completely unrelated, I once thought the opposing team had a widow and my friends tease me with it by saying 'is the widow in the room with us now?' and when they said 'he was aiming at the widow' I immediately said 'is she in the room with us right now?' and made myself cry from laughing. I'm so glad those same friends showed me your videos, this is wonderful.
The best way to tell if someone is using a triggerbot is to watch how they aim. A lot of people who use a triggerbot will try to either swing their mouse over the head which means they look like they are aiming but they wont shoot unless its a headshot because of the trigger bot, or like in the beginning, they will circle their aim in an attempt to get the shot. No one will use small circle motions when actually trying to aim and if it happens often enough, usually a pretty good sign on a triggerbot(yes i have experience dealing with and using hacks myself. its simple psychology)
It also feels like there are tells inbetween the scoping/taking shots.
12:18 is a good example of him subconsciously reacting to his own walling.
After missing the Cassidy, he is hovering and pulling left because he is watching the Ana.
Even repositions himself for a HS, anticipating she'll leave cover to rejoin with her team and leave herself wide open for a HS.
100% what convinced me. You are exactly right. He is centering on the Ana even though he should have no clue she is there
this makes no sense. You're drawing conclusions without looking at what he was actually doing.
He was simply swiped right, to make moving with the "a" key easier
yea... yea I think you're onto something... clearly, he's subconsciously reacting to his own walling. . . his own walling that... somehow. . . isn't visible on his monitor cam? You people are actual schizos LOL
@@Hoichael Hmm maybe i don't see what you see. I'm always keen to learn more and improve my detection skills, would you be down to jump on a quick discord call, and you run me through what you see ?
EDIT: Oh wait, am I misunderstanding your message, and you're in fact thinking it's foolish for people to think he's hacking with monitor cam showing the lack of walling?
This is also what gives away a lot of cheaters in CS:GO.
Flagging outlines through walls, being overly cautious of certain danger zones even though there's no possible way for you to know if a threat is covering it or not (e.g. when Widow runs away from Hanzo flanking, a little too convenient timing and "perfect" game sense if you ask me), and peeking at angles that most people have no business looking through and getting miraculous picks... and not just the one-off "weird angle", but *all of them*.
But, absolutely one of the *biggest giveaways* is that cheaters have this weird overconfidence when it comes to feeling safe from particular angles, as if they know nobody can swing around a given corner when they are looking off in a different direction... because nobody is really there and they know it. To most people, they will be inattentive or forget that someone can swing around and they get punished, but it's like these cheaters can never be flanked, can never be caught off guard, can never be caught looking the wrong way, etc.
chat truly just wanted to play devil’s advocate until the end
The guy was literally running away from a Hanzo that he “can’t see” lol. He’s 100% using walls.
The most hilarious part about this is that the person is using a walls cheat with a character that has wall hacks as an ultimate 🤣🤣🤣
20:09 "I just killed 3, I'm hacking" and IMMEDIATELY gets banned for hacking. When I tell you what was let out was not a chuckle, nor a laugh, but a full blown GUFFAW dude. These jokes write themselves, istg lmao
Great stuff as always, man :)
I know, perfect timing 😂
Perfectly cut karma
I've cheated in games before, but they were all single player games that I just wanted to get through or try something with using a trainer. I have never even attempted to cheat in a multiplayer game and my bronze 3 rank will prove it, lol
thats not even cheating then, thats just using a mod at that point if its only in singleplayer games
“Cheating” in a single player is fine I don’t see a single issue with it, your not ruining anyone else’s games but your own at that point 😂
You felt the need to say this why?
Tbh thats just modding like I used to do it on fallout just to be OP and run around
@@madnessman1520 if you use the console in Skyrim for example to give yourself more attribute points or money, then it's definitely cheating. You are cheating the way the game was supposed to be played. However, since the only "victim" here is youself, then no one really cares. But it's still cheating.
As far as I’m concerned. The convenient direct head box aim through walls could have been a coincidence, first one could have even been a peek to prefire, and the Otis’s just happened to be lined up with it. but the fact it happened twice is too damning to ignore and the Hanzo through the wall, off plane without even knowing he was there is all the proof I need
Thanks for this, because from the eyes of someone new to overwatch such as myself, without you and Q breaking it down I would have never understood OR noticed why/how he was cheating. I'm still not sure I understand what types of bots and shit it involves, but this is definitely educational to a relatively new player. I don't think I'm gonna run into that type of high cheating skilled widows in Silver 2 tho lmao
usually when people hack in gm or high masters, they are at least good enough to hide it, making it harder to figure out, unless they were hardcore boosted to that rank. At lower ranks, is far easier to see, and happens far more often than people think. You just have to have an eye for it. Given his multiple bans, it's clear he was hacking, and I hope blizzard figures out a way to ban his mac address to keep him from coming back with a vpn and a new account.
well Blizzard just unbanned him. He's not hacking dude. I watched this whole video, and the "Evidence" flats and karq brought up were completely wrong.
Every point they made, they ignored the reason that happened
@@wipshorts1215 this was proven to be false and he faked the screenshots. He’s still banned
The vertical flip before chasing the Hanzo was for the Mercy behind the building. How did chat think it was a non existent widow?
i love that if you look closely you can see the near fixed wiggle pattern before the shot to make it look normal
Im pretty sure that one chatter at 10:20 was trying to say he flicked towards the *window* (not widow) to prepare a shot.
It makes sense and is basically just saying he messed up his grapple instead of just scoped at the hanzo through the wall. Obv the widow was cheating, but i felt bad for the chatter getting roasted for makin a typo
That Hanzo wall zoom, the dude locks on to him through a wall without ult and then rotates to the window across from him to keep him at range, all without actually seeing him. How are people not convinced at that point? Lmao.
I love watching this hacker cry about getting caught lmaoooooo
okay but the shot on the Cass at 8:26 is hilarious
The shot on the Ashe through a 2 pixel wide gap without sights or someone spotting is in itself enough.
someone correct me if im wrong but isnt ban evading against ToS anyways?
also i like how he tried streaming his own monitors at the shittiest angles, he definitely could have had another monitor on the right or even above the middle one he was actually using
I feel like some of those shots were completely normal but once you start getting all of those shots together is when it starts to become noticeable that there is a cheater.
Its amazing how they always know where they need to look to catch people. I get that you have common sightlines, but it feels like they know whether they have to check a sightline or not.
This, this puts a smile on my face, hope to see more like this :)
Imo the Ashe shot at 7:38 tells me they're using something, even if you don't consider aiming through walls and lining up shots that would've connected if there weren't objects in the way. Considering the flick to the head that's literally frame perfect and unless I'm incorrect; that replay now shows exactly what the client sees so you can tell it's 3rd party software. I'd hazard a guess at walls + triggerbot most likely.
Ngl that guy was probably also boosting the other DPS, but there's no real way of telling that. Other than by how much said other DPS was defending them. But that's purely speculation. Lol
The 09:15 one looks like he snapped to the Hanzo, no question. It doesn't look like he got a lock on the head, coz it looks like the Hanzo used his lunge at the same time.
I think he messed up his grapple. He meant to prescope the window (the guy in chat misspelled window to “widow”), but ended up aiming at the wall. IMO he ain’t hacking.
@@jonathanrice4584 he aimed at the wall right where the outline of the Hanzo was without walls? Are you serious
@@jonathanrice4584 imagine defending the suspected cheater who straight up admitted he was going to ban evade AND THEN DID IT. Totally doesn't put any slightly weird action that *could* have been a mistake in a bad light.
@@jonathanrice4584 I think you're right. He grappled, it got broken, and he was preaiming 90 degrees to left. He then jumped out pre aiming the same way.
I think a few people were confused with how he kept following hanzo even after he peaked the window. However they forget we can hear the hanzo climbing
@@jonathanrice4584 i agree
2:02 there is a stutter upwards where his client stops aiming off of the horse in order to aim at the genji. It is a movement impossible on mice unless you have the dpi of a Galapagos tortise
I suspect whenever he scopes in he has Infrasight. That's how he sees the Orisa at 3:20 for example. Later when he tracks the Hanzo through the wall, he looks in the direction where he heard Hanzo ult and then gets his wallhack via scoping in.
The delusion on these cheaters never ceases to amaze me
The ego and delusion of flats is even more amazing tbf
@@JandersC What?
The cherry on top of this cheater cake is him crying on Twitter about all his accounts being banned. "OMG i even have monitor cam on my stream so i can't be hacking".
he got unbanned after review. your just dumb xD
@@loganfarrar7271 And you felt the need to call me dumb in the comments, yet use the incorrect "your" while doing so? Oh, the irony. But sure buddy, you do you.
@@snowieow7842 those who use grammar to invalidate an argument have no evidence to support their own
There's many ways to obfuscate cheating nowadays. You can have a secondary fire buttons that snaps to your target and fires when you push it, allowing you to mix in legitimate shots. There's also automated scripts that fire when you manually move your mouse to their heads, making it look like you just timed it yourself while having 100% legitimate mouse movements. And there's also smooth auto-aim that nudges your aim to heads, making it more likely you'll hit headshots while making it looks like you're just good at tracking.
That camera view on his stream def was weird to see. If he is not cheating (we all know he was), he should have a mouse cam like Kenzo.
To anyone who still questions it, if it was just one or a few of those weird moments in the whole game it would've been less sus, but the fact that it kept happening over and over is super sus.
I see it like this, the first time passable, the second time imma start asking questions, 3rd strike im a idiot if I haven't started taking EXTREME note of you and your basically in report territory if not already reported.
Because if I do not report you I risk going against you and putting my own games and SR at risk, not only that but having you on my team (I know I shouldn't care) but it also puts the enemy team in a VERY unfair match up that screws the entire game.
Yeah, Blizzard analyzed it and he got unbanned, so not a cheater. Case closed.
@@rogercouto9826 Bro was legit hovering over people behind walls. It's so obvious
@@rogercouto9826 im hearing not only was that pic fake but he also hasnt touched those unbanned accounts either
@@Porona yea no way he got unbanned…the walls are so obvious
In the beginning I was suspicious of it being cheating, kinda just looked like a good player who was getting called a cheater for skills, but a few too many things stacked together, then that wall Hanzo shot kinda made the stack topple over
But that hanzo wall thing isn't even a thing, it was a grapple mistake that wouldn't have even lined up the up the shot if the widow landed where he wanted to. Apply some critical thinking and knowledge of the game, mixed with some game awareness and you'll come to the same conclusion that it was just a coincidence. I'm sure you've had many a sus headshots by accident, knowledge of people without the information, mess ups that make it look Sus or in the replay acting like you're walling. This really is nothing.
@@scotttimbrell8632 I meant tracking the Hanzo through the sign
Well, Blizzard analyzed it and unbanned him, so not a cheater. Flats made a fool of himself. Case closed.
@@rogercouto9826 where did you see that? I'd definitely like to see it, it'd be hilarious
@@rogercouto9826 "Flats made a fool of himself" by rationally stating his case, looking through the footage, and coming to the conclusion that dude was sus, and let Blizzard figure it out? Sure...Yeah, you know, we should definitely shame people for coming to their own conclusions. Definitely.
Something that spectating also blurs the line on is that outlines are shown. The ashe shot is so much more ridiculous if you get rid of outlines.
Just goes to show how subtle cheats have become. If a random person walked up to me and asked if that person was cheating. I'd most likely say no. It's really hard to tell. Regardless, i'm glad the devs responded.
it was so obvious he had walls that hanzo part was like nah bro
I no shit was playing against this dude in qp. I claimed he was cheating and he instantly called me a idiot and I just suck. Every kill he had was a headshot. Even his team was suspicious
Well he is a top500 gamer in a quick play match? You will watch Flats utterly destroy teams, seagull, emogg ect ect destroy teams but as soon as it's someone you don't know who's good at the game suddenly they are cheating. This is what gaming culture has come to, people cheating cus they are bad, and people calling people cheaters cus they are bad.
@@scotttimbrell8632 what?
@@ThaNovaKiller did he stutter ??
@@brookssvods no shot you created an alt account to defend your buddy here LMFAOOOOO
I love how he went into KarQ's chat asking him to unban him when it isn't his job in the first place lmao
What gives me satisfaction in situations like this is the fact that I know that these hackers must have absolutely miserable lives if this gives them satisfaction. Their morals and what gives them satisfaction is so messed up
I don't know, part of me feels like they aren't all just miserable shitbags, some might just wanna fuck around for the laughs
I'm not sure how you were made aware of that last clip of him getting his second ban live, but I clipped it the second it happened and spread it a bit in Super's chat after the guy cheated on Super's team. Laughing my ass off he got put on full blast here LMAO
That hanzo made it so obvious. Tracked him through the walls, tried to throw a venom mine at him, and changed positioning to cope with the fact that they were about to get flanked.
At 12:15 there was a MASSIVE triggerbot failure, it is so blatantly obvious. Just watch how badly he tries to catch Mcrees headhitbox and does not shoot for like 2 seconds, anyone else would at least tried to shoot much earlier, but for some reason he tries to catch that headhitbox. So blatant when you realize it
the hanzo through the walls (8:46) definitely sold me. zero reason to be sighting a wall and TRACKING, as far as possible from any window, exactly on spot like that. it makes sense that having already been banned and knowing they were immediately being pegged for cheating, they'd avoid behavior that they know will look suspicious on the replay, which is why we see so little of it - but people slip up, and that was a helluva smoking gun on top of some already suspect behavior. as for other cheats, they definitely lose the benefit of the doubt after that.
You also gotta think, he was able to tag the enemy team THROUGH the walls. There is no way you would be able to do that without wall hacks
6:23 He legit briefly locks onto the mercy through the wall for a moment...
your content is the reason I still play Overwatch(.9). Love u man
a banned cheater vid from both flats and fitzy today!!! what a treat
At 10:30 they definitely meant "flicking to the window" not "flicking to the widow" and just had a typo. There wasn't even a widow on the other team. They obviously meant window. He was trying to grapple up to the window and flick to the left. But of course they then tracked the Hanzo the entire time they were walking down the hallway through the wall and tried to take a shot at him from the other window so you were both right I guess.
Its insane how advanced overwatch and other fps game's cheats are rn, like walling and triggerbotting are especially undetectable because they aren't blatant, and obviously since most of the fps community is ignorant when it comes to cheats, they often deny the cheater problem in games like Overwatch or Valorant even though its bigger than you think
Triggerbot is super blatant to a skilled player eyes. I can very comfortably say with 99.98% confidence there was no triggerbot here. That confidence has grown to 100% after he's been unbanned, and has a handcam showing he's clicking the mouse.
I agree with you though, we do need more education into understanding what cheats are in the community
@@wipshorts1215 "I can very comfortably say with 99.98% confidence there was no triggerbot here."
>Not realizing this dude got banned
And yes he WAS still banned there was no evidence of him showing his hand as far as im concerned especially with how he was blatantly ESPing
@@jawbreakerx1490 I think you're misunderstanding me. He's been unbanned.
Blizzard unbanned him about 2 hours ago. There aren't any hand cams for this vod, however he's since setup a monitor+hand cam stream, and continued to play very proficiently, of equal skill to what we see in this clip.
@@wipshorts1215 Source? Im interested in seeing it
@@jawbreakerx1490 Also I don't deny there's a cheating issue in overwatch. And I can't confirm or deny if this guy is cheating even after this unban.
However what i can say is every single point Flats and KarQ made against him in this video was bullshit.
The ad break timing was so good omg
It's always the cheaters who say "Let me screen share to prove I'm not cheating."
Then this guys entire set up is showing his monitors - to prove he's not cheating.
Guilty conscious is eating him alive and he's gotta jump through hoops now.