Archie Talks About His Father | All In The Family
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- How could my father be wrong? Archie (Carroll O'Connor) and Mike (Rob Reiner) discuss their fathers.
From Season 8, Episode 19 'Two's a Crowd': Mike and Archie get locked together in the storage room at Archie's Place and have a long talk.
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One of the most acclaimed comedy series of all time, All in the Family with Archie Bunker as the irascible, highly opinionated, working-class family man who viewed the world on his terms and his terms only. When not arguing with his liberal son-in-law, "Meathead," Archie took refuge in his long-suffering wife, Edith, who tries her best to understand Archie's conservative ways and outdated beliefs.
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This always breaks my heart. And this made Mike understand Archie so much more.
Powerful episode. Nobody on God's green earth could've ever played the part of Archie as well as Carrol O'Connor 🥰❤️
@angela, no truer words have ever been written. Thank you. 👍
Yes he was the best. This was so touching 😢and so sad. 😭
Powerful, the abuse Archie suffered in the name of love, and Mike realizing Archie was abused as a child.
A sad but beautifully acted scene.
My daddy never heard the words, "I love you," from his own father unless the man was drunk. Daddy decided as a boy that his children would never see him drunk. He also promised himself to tell his children, "I love you," EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. He kept both promises.
I can relate to your dad. My dad and I were estranged for 22 years because my mom took me away from him. We rekindled 10 years ago. As an adult, my dad has never told me he's proud of me or that he loves me. He did make sure to tell me I'm not as smart as my sister, and he did make sure to tell me I'm overpaid. But he has yet to tell me that, as an adult, he loves me, or that he's proud of me, even though I have a great career, I own my home, and I gave him a grandchild.
@@orion3706 Perhaps he just can't say the words. But do know that you have done well and are contributing to society. Do make sure you tell your own children what you wanted to hear yourself.
@@bonnieralston1706 I do, and thank you.
This always makes me cry, after years of living together and numerous fights, it took something like this for mike to finally understand and really see his father in law!! Archie last lines truly touch anyone who loves their parents even when theyre in the wrong and still feel loyal due to that love! Goodnight shoebootie 😔💖
This is a very powerful scene and tells a lot about Archie, the man.
Incredible acting. Carroll O'Connor was so perfect in this role
no child should love a parent that abuses them like archie just describes...because the parent DOES NOT love the child..here archie is to blind to see the truth...but Mike sees it clear as do i...unfortunately you SUPPORT child abuse
This show was so far ahead of its time.... Sometimes hard to watch but always addressing issues of everyday folks.
I always assumed that only Carroll O'Connor and Jean Stapleton were the only Emmy winners from this show, but I was glad to learn recently that both Rob Reiner and Sally Struthers won Emmys for AITF, too. Reiner's non-verbal acting is exceptional in this scene, perfectly complementing O'Connor's brilliant monologue.
Its scenes like this that is the height of Carrol O’Connor’s performance as an actor. ⭐️
It says something about Rob Reiner's acting chops that he can hold his own with Carroll O'Connor in this heartbreaking scene.
Remarkable and touching scene that I remember seeing as a kid and being stunned. The nervous laughter by a few is annoying but some people don’t know how to deal with uncomfortable topics and use laughter as a defense mechanism. Wish they had edited them out though.
Back then there was a thin line between abuse and discipline.
"Warren Nicholson Y. Fernando
Damn that.
Hate ur child if beat no
Amen to that! Back then I man can legally beat the hell out of his wife and get away with it. Women or considered second class citizens and children were considered property because they had no rights
@@ef7558 Laws regarding wives and children have had a strange history.
It was abuse.
Always loved this powerful scene from, whether you liked it or thought it addressed to many difficult issues…was one of the greatest, groundbreaking shows ever
There were hints early on. His brother came to visit and the idea that he was their dad’s favorite and Archie was mistreated was brought up.
My favorite episode and scene from All In The Family. Powerful.
I saw it as a child when it aired back in the 70s...back when my father was alive. I watch it now, and I totally understand what Archie is saying...and I also understand the deep look of understanding and compassion in Mike's eyes.
Powerful!
then you have no idea what you are seeing because Mike is in disbelief at hearing of such abuse and he doesnt understand it...because it never occurred to him...but he knows it is wrong and he knows archie doesnt...there is NO understanding here..only sadness that archie wanted the love of his father so bad that even now he refuses to see the abuse....
@jadezee6316
I suppose that your opinion vs my opinion is strictly academic because, 1) we would need to ask the writer to know the answer, and 2) because these characters were never real, but rather they are a work of fiction. As such, you see it from your perspective and I see it from mine. And from my perspective, as a result of what Archie said to Mike, Mike has a moment of compassion arising from his better understanding of why Archie is the way that he is...because of how his father mistreated him. Yet indeed I agree with you that Archie wanted his father to show him love and affection, however that generation did not think that way...and that is the reason why my father was the way that he was. As such, now that I am 60 and a father and grandfather myself, I look back on my father with compassion and understanding of why he was the way that he was.
*Seven HOURS* in a *DARK closet* would have felt like *70 HOURS* to a wee boy ‼
I was just about to Search for this particular Episode ...
& it dropped right into my hands.
Nice to finally MEET YOU, Archie Bunker !
*Sniff SoB BLOW* 🥺😪
You notice that the audience started off laughing, but wasn't at the end.
You shouldn't have cut off the end, where Mike says "good night, Shabootie".
Norman Lear did a great interview one time where he said Carroll O'Connor's death was one of the most painful things he lived through, and he played this scene, as his favorite piece of acting from Carroll. It brought him to tears, and he said "Dammit, he's good".
Reminds me of my dad.That isn't how you show a child you love them
Amen. Right with you about my dad also. I watch this scene and cry each time.
Me too.Fathers,like mine,shouldn't act like that.What makes it worse is when your mother makes excuses for them.
@@Robert-ey9xhThey didn’t know better. You do. Be the type of father that you wished you had.
@@Robert-ey9xh
Those were days when most Fathers were the absolute head of the house. Wives were subordinate. That’s how they were taught. I think WWII helped change that.
@Robert-ey9xh that's been my 50 years. I never left cause I thought there'd come a day when nobody would lift a finger to help my old mother. Guess what. It came 2 weeks from today. My brother and father did nothing except leave her to rot and die. Only I and my cousin and aunt pulled her out and got her treatment. She's doing better today now thank the powers that be. Bad fathers screw up an entire family.
archie is still dealing with the childhood abuse after all these years. if only his dad hadn't done that, he probably would have grown up to be a totally different person.
it's the abuse talking, you know? it's called the trauma cycle. you get abused, so you abuse others. and so it goes.
I wish we had gotten a visit from Archie's parents, they were supposedly still alive I thought
Mr. Stevich just got a truckload to think about! Carroll O'Connor - what an actor!
Your comment makes it sound like you may have missed the point, that Archie was abused by his father and has internalized it so much that he’ll never realize that Mike was right and his dad was wrong.
Archie had a good heart and a horrible father who taught him to be a jerk.
He wasn’t a jerk. He was real, and I agree with his beliefs.
He was human but he had more good than bad.
You didn't understand the message. Archie was defending his father because he knows his old man would defend him. Michael doesn't have to agree with his father, but he could never deny him his love for him. Honor thy father and mother don't mean much anymore but if you understand the context, then you would understand that you have to respect the fact that they had every opportunity to abandon you, but they didn't.
@kirkleach where I come from, somebody with an attitude like yours would be considered ungrateful. Not to mention I don't appreciate people on the net who act condescending. Just remember that you don't have the balls to say it to my face.
@@Devilsblood seems you are the one that didnt understand the message.
Brilliant writing and acting by Carroll o Connor and Rob reiner
I believe this is the episode mike and Archie really bonded! The bond was always there but this episode sealed it. Best television show of all time…. Timeless… the same stuff is still going on today!! Just the technology is better. I’ll always love this television show. Carroll O’Connor… my favourite Hollywood actor
Mine, too.
Mike finally realized that Archie loved him like a son without being able say that he loved him like a son.
I'm no expert, but these are two great actors.
Can’t judge your old man till you understand what he went through. Powerful stuff.
It’s moments like this I pretend the show got cancelled and didn’t end the way it did and they didn’t do what they did to mikes character.
"Rose Gillard" The show made too many changes because it lasted too long. It would have been better if it went off the air before it Jumped The Shark.
One hundred percent. I'm a little conflicted because I do like Stephanie, and some of the other later characters, but really the show should have ended right when Mike and Gloria left for California. That would have been the perfect and natural place to stop.
@@Marbles471when I do a rewatch, that’s where I stop. The only thing I’d keep post that is Archie’s reaction to Edith’s death. Carol o Conor was great in that scene.
No show had more nervous awkward audience laughter! They're not sure what's a joke.
I know, if you were sitting in the audience, you’d kind of wanna tell the guy chuckling next to you to shut up. Then again, it’s a sitcom and they wanted people who laugh easy in the audience
I think it would have been more effective if they edited out the laughs. M*A*S*H knew how to make an important scene serious. All in the Family missed an opportunity here
I think it would have been more effective if they edited out the laughs. M*A*S*H knew how to make an important scene serious. All in the Family missed an opportunity here
"...filmed in front of a live studio audience." That imterplay is what makes the writing, directing, and esp the acting all the more monumental.
It was in this scene that Archie was drunk, which preserved some of the comedy of the somber situation.
its a difficult thing for a child to realize their parents were bad people and what you thought was love wasnt
Well I’m crying!lol. I can’t watch this show without thinking about my dad. Best show ever on TV🙏❤️❤️❤️❤️
Me, too. This scene makes me cry and the show reminds me of my dad who always watched it. Truly grateful to have grown up during that time and with the parents I had.
There is nothing more annoying than audiences laughing at parts that are clearly not supposed to be funny.
Would love to see the whole episode or that one
freevee all 6 years
2:13 that was Archie's way of telling Mike he truly loved him like a son
Right on.👍 Not many people see it. He became a son to Archie. He just couldn't say it.
Wonderful scene except the laugh track. It wasn't a funny scene but serious. Mike discovered Archie was beaten and abused as a boy.
I understand that, but they are probably expecting him to say something funny or ridiculous given his character.
not a laugh track, recording in front of a live audience
This show amazingly didn't agree with Archie, and they never really excused some of the things he said and thought but they made you understand why he was that way. I'm not one of those "These days Hollywood wouldn't blah blah blah..." BUT I wonder if you would now put something out where you were allowed to not completely make a guy like Archie a villain without giving a thought to at least understand how he got where he is.
I see this scene and see a direct line to the Sopranos, in a way. The Sopranos allowed for anti-heroes and trying to understand horrible behavior, often from aging white men who had sh*tbag dads. But of course, you had to pay for it. Free network TV has increasingly had a hard time writing such strong, serious material. You could blame it on our current morals debates, etc., but a lot has to do with a half-hour sitcom now has about 16 minutes to work with. Also, can you imagine how the scene above here would be edited in our ADD times?
What's so striking about his scene, other than the audience doesn't pick up on it immediately... Michael purses his lips and (it's subtle) exhales. He had no idea and it caught him off guard.
I wish more shows were this brave today. Sadly we've gone in the opposite direction, in a direction where shows like this couldn't exist.
The making of Archibald Bunker.
The last great Archie and Meathead moment... And Mike came out of it understanding even more about his father-in-law.
This scene when Mike covers Archie is so beautiful. Good night "shoe-booty".
Goodnight, Shoe-booty...
"Good night Shoebooty."
Somebody uploaded this episode last year, but it was reported and deleted. Apparently it is not PC. This world would be a better place if the younger generation today took the meaning of this episode to heart.
I know the clip you are talking about. I couldn't believe it when it was deleted from one of my playlists because it was not PC. I'm just glad that someone else uploaded it.
One of the best scenes!
How the fuck is anyone in the audience laughing like that?
Archie is also forgetting that both arguments can be true. he could be a good father at times and a wrong man at times
Archie was very much an essentialist and overly simplistic in his beliefs
Archie HIMSELF is not a bad guy...in fact IS a good father...but he has fucked up views that were passed down to him.
Archie is forgetting about the fathers who can't keep a job, drink all their paychecks, gamble away family cars, and get other women knocked up while his wife is tending the kids by herself at home hand holding down a full time career. Those fathers are "wrong". Just wanted to pipe in on that.
He said his own father hit him and locked him in the closet for 7 hours. I think he got it.
I seriously ugly cry at this scene. Powerful truths here about American fathers and sons of that era. A truth Mike never understood until that very moment. Mike realizes Archie's dysfunction was born of abuse from Archie's father and Archie's need to rationalize and excuse his father's behavior toward him. Frankly, this can be seen as the climax of the entire series, and instead of Archie finally learning his lesson, it's MIKE who learns to be more understanding. Brilliant stuff. And of course O'Connor and Reiner play it note perfect.
Why were people laughing at such a serious moment when Archie was telling how his father had not been good to him. I don’t understand people sometimes.
It was uncomfortable laughter.
More that Archie is drunk and slurring his words than the subject matter they were laughing at.
Does the word ABUSE flash before your eyes?
"Spare the rod rod.... spoil the child" Look at our youth these days... angry, disrespectful and entitled "make rods great again"
I like Archie's attitude very much. But the very sad truth is, father's or mothers can sometimes be wrong.😢
And people in the audience were laughing. Either they were too stupid and immature to see the gravity of this scene and its acting, or they couldn't take the raw nature of the scene and its commentary on the existence of deep-seated racism in US culture.
I can't stand how the audience ruins this scene
How did the audience ruin the scene?
@@beachboys3326 laughing.
"Harry Demakes" I don't look at it as if it were really the audience. Actually the creators and editors use the laugh track way too much. There were episodes in which I wonder why there were so many laughs when the characters did not say any thing really funny.
@@cynthiacronin2794
Well I figured that he was referring to the audience's reaction. However, the laughter was slight...more like chuckling.
@@obscurelyvague
I get what you're saying.
Good point.
"Goodnight, Shoe-bootie.""
I wonder what Archie would have to say about the woke.
In real life, Carroll O'Connor (Archie) was very liberal. He was a great actor who could convince the audience he was an Uneducated rather bigoted person. He was though, very liberal and left leaning.
He would call them the same thing he called them then....Pinko
And for GOOD CAUSE as we are seeing in REAL LIFE!@@Lppolymath90
There was a great show called "God, the Devil and Bob," and they had an episode where Bob and God have a diacussion about the father-and-son relationship. Bob was angry about how hard of a man his father was, and was a littke worried that he'd make similar mistakes with his own son, Andy.
So God tells Bob about how awful his grandfather had been, and he lets Bob know that it's okay to be angry with his own dad, and that he can sympathize, too. And then he puts the lesson into some really good terms:
"Imagine there is a long line of fathers and sons, from Adam to Andy. And they're all passing down this punch from one generation to the next. The trick is to pass on a softer punch. Your father passed on a softer punch, Bob."
This clip just reminded ne of that. Your dad can be wrong and he can make a lot of mistakes, but if he always tried his best, then you can't really hate the guy. You don't have to worship him, but you also don't have to ket his baggage become your baggage.
Nobody's father is perfect... but some are a whole lot less perfect than others.... I'm one of the less perfect fathers, but I truly love my children more than anything or anyone in this world.
My parents born before the depression. Their young lives were greatly influenced by their parents lifestyle change. Those were truly tough emotional times. They did their best with the knowledge and resources available. We’re not so perfect either.
I know it's fashionable on social media to rip on the Meathead, but this was such a powerful scene. He shows nothing buy empathy for his father-in-law, and you can see he finally realizes why Archie can be so rough around the edges.
The idiots in the crowd laughing at things that weren't supposed to be funny almost ruin the scene.
Almost....but not quite.
It has been said that Carroll O'Connor ad libbed the section about his father "loving him".
Right,❤
One of the best episodes of The Greatest Show ever made.
The hell is wrong with this audience? Laughing when theyre putting on this performance.
To be fair to the audience, All in the Family was the first sitcom to blend uproarious comedy with serious, heartbreaking scenes, like this one. It was still a new concept, so I think they didn't quite know how to react.
@@johnbeekman1396 sure sounded like it. Perhaps they were uncomfortable and that's how they expressed it.
the audience laughed at the wrong times
Love your dad because he demands you do so 😮
By this time this sitcom was losing its luster after season 5 it wasent the same and the ratings showed that
ya...it stayed number 1 until the 7th season
@@thewkovacs316 READ a book it was number one for 5 seasons out of 9
ShoeBooty
Someone has to be the authority. Someone has to be the disciplinarian. If not a parent, then society will do it, probably in a less loving and less kind way than a parent would.
In the past the dad was the disciplinarian, because men were backed by their wives and men stepped up to the responsibility given to them by women. Now women trust men to do nothing. Give them no place and no responsibility. So men don't. They don't take responsibility, because it isn't expected of them. After all, responsibility comes with power to fulfill those responsibilities, and all the power goes to anyone but a straight male.
People need to rediscover what was good about our old traditions and become re-enchanted with the unsolvable mysteries that life has to offer.
The decay and destruction of America and the vilifying of men. The men have become ineffectual for the most part and women are more manly and less feminine. Sad state of affairs for America.
What Archie experienced was abuse sir not discipline!!! His father was also a bigot! Those are not traditions that we as a society need to preserve. I respectfully disagree with your opinion
Discipline is one thing, abuse is another.
@@tranurse Abuse laws are so vaguely written. Abuse can be anything or nothing. Abuse is committed when 12 people say that it did. Are these 12 people in any way qualified or even parents themselves? No. Come up with some objective standard for what abuse is and isn't and I'll put in my two cents about whether I agree with it, but as usual, we talking about something that doesn't even have a firm definition. You say abuse is bad because of social programming without being able to even tell me what it is.
@@Eye_of_a_Texan leaving bruises, breaking bones, neglecting a child’s basic needs, sexually molesting them, cursing at them, being emotionally cruel to them. The list goes on and on. A swat on the butt, or grounding for example aren’t abuse. I have no problem with a child being taught to mind, but again it doesn’t have to be done in a way that is abusive. My husband and I were both abused as kids, him worse than me, so we refused to raise brats, but we tried to treat our sons differently than how we were raised. He was more of the disciplinarian, because he felt boys needed dad to be tougher in some ways.
Hmm kids today should realize who goes out to bust their butts to keep cell phones in their hands and designer clothes on their back
They should, but if parents don’t discipline them when they are little, why are they surprised when they have unruly teenagers? But you can accomplish this without beating the hell out of them. Or emotionally abusing them. I’m not the perfect parent, heaven knows I messed up from time to time, but I tried to not hurt my kids’ feelings when they were wrong. I tried to focus on what they did wrong, and not on them being horrible and disgusting because they did something wrong. I got a lot of that growing up, and I didn’t like it, so why would I do that to people that I made and loved. I would focus on the fact that yes they were in trouble, but it was because of what they did, and that I wanted them to grow up to be good, so they had to learn not to do bad things (it was simple to explain when they were little). They are adults now, and other than being sarcastic (which unfortunately they inherited), they’re good people.
Way to miss the entire point of the scene
In my house, my wife does, because I'm saving over half my paycheck to make sure my daughter has a different life when she's an adult than I do. I didn't go to a university because I couldn't afford it. I went to a junior college and got a job. When I'm gone, I'm planning on leaving my daughter an inheritance large enough to pay off all of her student loans, no matter how much they are, and enough to provide my grandchildren with the life I only dream of.
A man who busts his butt to keep a roof over your head, food on the table, and clothes on your back. Mike realized that he was like a son to Archie.
This episode and scene trusted you immediately into Archies shoes. You couldn't take those shoes off if you tried the laces were hidden till that scene was complete.
This was all ad lib on Archie's part. Pretty good huh? ❤
Sentimental scene, but Archie worshipping his father, saying he can do no wrong; that mentality is terribly harmful, especially to oneself.
It's the same kind of volatile rationalization that Christian apologists peddle for the cruelty of their petty god.
Everyone should be held accountable for their actions; no abuse should ever be dismissed. Not everyone is fit to be a parent.
That is a ridiculous analogy that only an anti-Christian bigot could construct. Do you have the guts to say "Muslim" apologists regarding the "cruelty of Allah?" I doubt it.
people laughing in these moments fucking drive me crazy....what's funny about it
M*A*S*H knew how to make an important scene serious. All in the Family missed an opportunity here
AITF was still taped before a live audience in this season. MASH was never filmed before a live audience. So MASH had to use the laugh track, which is annoying in one way, but does give the director some level of control. I think the laughter here is a nervous laughter, but also times were very different then, and I can't really speak to how reactions might have been.@@w2tty
I cried so hard over this scene
People in the audience laughing when Archie said he was hit and put in a closet for seven hours…😀😀