Yelling doesn't strain the heart, it's what you yell about if it bothers you that does. Because Carroll is a brilliant actor, he was able to do that, because while it may have bothered him to say what Archie says, it doesn't bother him enough to care and in turn, doesn't strain the heart.
go look up the Dick Cavett interview with him. Comes out with a cigarette, talking like a trained Broadway/Shakespearean actor…because he was. Amazing man…RIP, Arch!
As a military Vet myself, i can tell you that this is one of the most devastatingly perfect statements on ALL armed conflict and it’s unmeasurable affects on everyone ever produced. This show has always been my all-time favorite series, but this episode alone is a masterpiece. And, frankly, I don’t think we’ll ever agree about its various meanings, but I think we can all agree that it’s brilliant and warrants endless viewings. The whole cast was amazing, but O’Connor? While that performance was a masterpiece, he went someplace exceptionally dark and hard to make it work. And we are all the better for it.
It's what you personally feel you have to do. My whole family serveb in different Wars of this Country. I was Drafted, scared you got it Viet-Nam 66-67, but I was lucky. For what ever reason these Wars exist generation after Generation...It's a person's own individual choice and should not be judged by others...But I say we all owe service to this Great Free Country of America and it didn't get to this moment in time without such human sacrific.We must never forget those who gave all they had...for I will always be in Service to America...
I recall eating dinner each night and the national news would be on and seeing endless films of the fighting in Vietnam. Then Watergate occured. I'm sure many family gatherings erupted into arguments over those two events.
@Joel Grooms I understand the sentiment however I gotta disagree it was clearly an unjust war that was fought for no reason now would I have ran to Canada prob not cuz I would a liked to keep my citizenship but I can't say I'd blame other ppl for not wanting to take part in a war that was fought for no reason at all one could argue everyone that died in Vietnam unfortunately died in vein we did not stop the communists there and there was never any good reason to be there in the first place
@@MadsWorld34 and don't see he died for apple pie and freedom and all that bullshit cuz not a single person was defending America thousands of miles away in Vietnam
And that war still killed many after it was over. Those that served having PTSD. Depression. Drug issues. Suicide. My dad served in the Air Force over there, you could see it how it took it's toll on him over time. He died at 57 with addiction to pain pills being his biggest issue. Prayers and peace be with those that served and dealt with the hell they never should have gone through.
First of all I’d like to say thank you to your dad. People have no idea how very very hard it is to be in real life combat if it weren’t for people like your father who were heroes we would enjoy the freedom that we have today.
he's won a few for this show but I agree this episode was powerful, he should have won... I grew up in the 80s watching the reruns it's my #1 favourite show. it's really funny and a tear jerker at times. it had a perfect balance that's why it was an awesome show.👍🏻💯
One of the most powerful, emotional scenes in television history. I see it from both sides but Pinky's speech just hits so hard. I come across this episode a lot and still get emotional.
Also, I'm Canadian. Born and raised in Toronto. Even though I wasn't alive then, I'm glad Canada didn't have a mandatory draft and I would personally have the same exact reservations as David. If I go to war, it's to take out another Hitler with concrete proof he exists. Not like the unjust, illegal wars you see today. War is terrible but is a part of human history so if we go to war, make it mean something.
@@chrisrapillo6401 The best scene in the history of the series, in my opinion. Carroll O'Connor's explosive display of anger is one of the most memorable moments in the history of television. He should have won an Emmy for his performance in this scene. Honorable mention to Jean Stapleton, for her delivery of Edith's line about not having enough turkey for the feds. A commenter said that he saw this episode when it first aired, and Archie's line about the "goddamned war" was not censored. Another said the episode that aired in syndication wasn't edited, either. Not sure why this clip is. Other clips of this scene on RUclips include the curse word.
I remember someone asked my step-dad, who was drafted. Served and fought in the Vietnam War in the Army as part of an artillery unit. They asked my Pops how he felt about people who dodged the draft and went to Canada. His response. "I don't blame them. They didn't miss out on anything great."
When I was 18 I had to register for the draft, but because I didn't want to leave home to fight in another country, I registered as a conscientious objector, and yes, I was afraid of dying young. I remember this episode of this show, and I don't blame the kid for not wanting to go to Vietnam 🇻🇳, or anybody else for that matter, I mean how many people lost their lives needlessly fighting in Vietnam 🇻🇳 while Nixon was safe and sound in the white house?
Still brings a tear to the eye. Great writing and casting all down the line. They probably couldn't make a show like "All In The Family" today. Thank God they made it back then and we still have it to enjoy.
My brother grew up during this era, I was 3 years younger than him. I gradually realized the danger he was in, as I grew up, having to go fight in a war that none of us in our family believed in. (My dad was relieved from WWII overseas duty due to working in Washington, my mom worked in the Manhattan Project, so they participated in the WWII effort. A whole different kind of war.) My brother was planning to either be a CO or go to Canada. Luckily, he got a very low draft number in 1973 (the year he turned 18), and thankfully they ended the draft after the Paris Accords that year. There are those who will say he got off easy. He still grew up knowing he was possibly facing death or exile from his country, because he couldn't support a war that was dragged out and killing people for some ideological reason that made no sense to him. I think because he had to be so serious all his childhood, he became a doctor who treated dying patients. He himself died fairly young (age 66) of pancreatic cancer.
I’m a Canadian, and one of my very good friends here came to Canada as a draft dodger. He is one of the gentlest and kindest souls I have ever known. He told me that he just couldn’t bring himself to harm another human being, and I respect him for that. He came in 1970, worked as a farm hand, married a wonderful woman here and raised a family. He didn’t return to his native Connecticut until he had Canadian citizenship in 1979, albeit it for a brief family visit. Seems he had family like Archie Bunker and wasn’t really made to feel that welcome. Canada became his new home, and I’m glad to have known him.
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I remember this episode. I was probably 13. I don’t remember how I felt when I first saw Archie scream “I don’t want to hear anymore about that God Damn War”. Now it brings tears
My Dad served in the Air Force over there. He has almost never talked about his service in Thailand. Once I showed him a video that a friend of mine who was a helicopter pilot during that time and it almost made him cry. He told me it brought back some memories which weren't so good. God bless all who served during that time. Whether you agree with the war or you don't (I don't), this who served should be honored. Those who refused to serve, as conscientious objectors, should at least be respected as having the right to object.
I too served in Viet Nam and Thailand in the Air Force...Never had any opinion on the war, either way. Had a job to do so I went and did it....there are many other specialties in the military beside carrying an M-16. I am not real big on draft dodgers.
I SO BADLY want to hear the original audio of that scene. You can tell that there is a genuine anger in the part directly before and after they dub the “rotten” part in. Would give a lot to hear that.
Thanks for confirming this. I was almost certain there was post production audio edit. CBS should have kept the original. They certainly had the courage to keep other edgy language in that series.
Love this episode. The audience reaction when David tells Edith he has been living in Canada pretty tells you where it's going. Both Archie and David think they are right as Archie is a proud WWII vet who served his country and received the Purple Heart, and David refused to take part in a senseless war because it compromises his principles. I love Pinky's reaction because he does what his son would have wanted. He treats David like his son. Beautiful. It's Christmas and a time of forgiving.
What this show did was make us understand BOTH SIDES of an issue and feel good about and we understood. Now, we just cancel each other out. We need more ALL IN THE FAMILY moments.
You people talking about both sides are so bad at media literacy. This scene is obviously showing Archie as in the wrong, as it should. The entire show was supposed to be making fun of the loud bigot, not make you agree with him lol.
@@Mint403 It always amazes me how eager people are to put themselves above others. Case in point, Mr. "you are bad at media literacy" here. He oversimplifies the meaning of "both sides" just to write a snide insult. Most of us know what he meant by "both sides". Archie wasn't hateful. Often snide, but not hateful. His bigotry was that of false belief, and stubbornly clinging to old ways of thinking. More importantly, there was always a path back for Archie, and a hand out if he was willing to change. Today, most people would just mock someone for being a bigot last week, than praise them for not being one this week. I think that was parent's point re "both sides", and I'm sure you knew that, too.
@user-kh3sh3ir5m Nah he was wrong just like he almost always is. Why were we needed to be in Vietnam? Did anything bad happen to us when we lost? Nope.
Im White. Trump loving Republican. US Marine 85 to 89. I believe Americans who protested Vietnam, or dodged the draft were true Americans. That war was hell. It was a nightmare😢
Growing up in the 70's I loved "All in the Family" I learned so much about race, the Vietnam war, and homosexuality from this show as a young kid. A lot of real issues that were never taught to me in school and my parents didn't talk about them because I think they wanted to shield us from these uncomfortable subjects. But I learned and being informed about these subjects gave me a better understanding of the world and it opened my mind and made me aware that the world was not as rosy as our parents made it seem.
Compared with the world today, it was paradise. Today, we have an epidemic of drugs, unemployment, a breakdown of a work ethic, domination of corporations and a proliferation of rules we sheepishly follow. Id go back to 1972 in a minute.
@@josevalentin890 it coincided with the Great Society and forced integration, thoigh i am shocked and embarrassed at how minorities were treated by some back then. It wasnt always the rule.
Carroll was in ww2 and this scene was very special to him and in an interview he said we went off script for doing that yelling at the war cause he fought for our country
@@duffelbagdrag whoa easy there high speed, get yourself another chug of that preworkout. Where in any post did I state non facts about O'Connor, if you know something I don't from cursory search, then normally that is shared. But if it's a OPSEC violation, I'll just moonwalk out of the SCIF🤷♂️
This was as impactful as any episode in the series. A tremendous testament to the division sewn by The Vietnam War and one's beliefs and obligations during wartime. Unbelievable acting by Carroll O'Connor and an underrated heartfelt piece by actor Eugene Roche in explaining why it was appropriate for David to stay.
I’ve been back here numerous times to watch this episode of all in the family it was one of the funniest and serious sitcoms on TV and this episode gets me every time 😢
Arguably the best episode ever. Notice when Archie breaks down and curses the Vietnam War. Yeah, even Archie Bunker as it turns out actually hated the war too....This was a time for healing....
Carroll O'Conner was a iconic actor who portrayed the typical "American persona" of All In the Family. Carroll performance in this episode is "outstanding"
What a show to have such a powerful episode in it's 7th season!! It's amazing to read the contemporary comments by people and see how there is still a divide on the issue. Great television
What a powerful episode. I hope someone will Put up the full episode. Wonderful Christmas episode. Prayerfully one day good, clean wholesome entertainment will come back one day.
I grew up during the Vietnam War R.O.T.C. era (Run Off To Canada), and well remember a lot of young men making those hard choices. Watching this scene always gets me crying.
POWERFUL episode. I come from a military family. My brother was in Vietnam. I eas a military wife for 25 years. I agree with the draft dodger but get Archie's point as well
"He owes an explanation to the Commander in Chief" "I wrote him a letter explaining myself, sir." "Where do you get off writing a letter to the President?!" LOL, Archie's a mad lad :P
@@EphemeralProductions i think what may be missed in Archie's screaming reply is his belief in unwavering military devotion AND WWII ptsd. That he had done it and was offended that younger men refused their obligation. Again, Archie's blowup revealed an (unadmitted or even unrecognized?) realization that he had volunteered, younger men hadn't, AND his subsequent worklife had underprovided...) He was screaming about how life fucked him, a patriotic lover of what he understood America to be.
@@EphemeralProductions True, but Archie was right. David was a fugitive and if he was discovered in their house then the entire Bunker family could have been charged with harboring a fugitive. He had every right to be upset about that
Awesome show and deep subject matter. For decades I thought I had to pick one side or the other. Fight or dodge. I know now that I admire both stances, those who fight for a noble purpose. And those who refuse to kill another human being at the request of another. I respect both sides.
Probably the finest half-hour ever spent by any of the networks on a topic so devastatingly important to the American public and, even more so, to the American psyche. I believe the famous photograph of one of the dead students at Kent State (5/4/70) bears this out. Vietnam is still a sore spot with the generations (who especially) lived through those times. The counter-culture probably said it best: "What if they gave a war and nobody came?" ☮️
I don't blame him for dodging the draft it's his life and he didn't start the war and it is wrong of other people to tell him that he should sacrifice his life for a war they started. If they feel so strongly about it then they can send their families to fight the war they feel so strongly about.
Carroll OConnor and Jean Stapleton were the best of the best...no one has ever brought drama and comedy to the TV screen like these two and I doubt ever will again. Carroll deserved an Emmy for this performance, but the entire cast was brilliant.
@@duffelbagdrag Being in the merchant marines was one of the most dangerous jobs during the war actually. The Germans sunk 1700 ships and thousands were killed and thousands more badly injured
@@duffelbagdrag You seem sensitive and irritated by something and I was also posting a fact and it was no lecture (poor exaggeration on your part) And I'll repeat it " Being in the merchant marines was one of the most dangerous jobs during the war actually. The Germans sunk 1700 ships and thousands were killed and thousands more badly injured" Tell your Grandkids that one pal
@@michaeltrower741 plus its pure sophistry...Nixon was making decisions based on a national security situation...he wasn't specifically killing just to kill....
I was in first grade when my close friend’s brother came home in a box in 1969. It was devastating. Then my neighbor came home injured and another came home imbalanced and never recovered. They’re both gone now and both passed away very young. That war was such a disaster. We never had their backs. We never should have been there in the first place.
Brilliant just brilliant. It proves to our current generation that even though we argue and disagree over tough issues we can come together and heal. Great acting.
In addition to some of the best comedy ever to grace T.V, what set this show apart & imbedded it in our hearts & minds, was how it took on the issues. Head on, no holes barred. Race. Sex. Religion. And war. THAT war. I'm 70 yrs old, and I still cry about it. War is never easy, but that one was a real tear in the soul of our country. Very few in the middle. You supported it, or you didn't. It divided families. Friends. Co-workers. Even churches. The wound is still raw. Still hurts. And now we're trying to survive new wounds. The 'middle'.... compromise... seems harder & harder to find. Will we ever? What's it gonna take..? Please, God. Not another war. Archie might call us all Dingbats & meatheads....
Lear's bias is unmistakable in this show, but he does give Archie common sense on many issues, even here when he declares it's a "GD rotten war!" clearly edited out for TV.
No... what's happening in Ukraine is a manipulation of the worst filthy stinking POS president in the history of this country...and I would have loved to have heard what Archie would have said about that pathetic scumbag...and the fools who voted for IT.
While not the level of having an ongoing draft, myself and all of my siblings have served over the last 30 years. Marines, army, navy, air force. Our father was drafted during Vietnam, and he explodes like this when we all talk about how the 20 years war we just got out of was wrong. Bunker is clearly dealing with PTSD over his time in this scene, and trying to come to grips with having served in WW2.
For those who never understood why All in the Family is arguably the best sitcom in the history of TV should watch this scene. It was one of many and they were iconic. Norman Lear was a genius. RIP.
@@romans52345-cy3tq Yes. Seinfeld is a great sitcom, but it really only deals with humor. AITF was perfectly balanced, seamlessly combining humor and drama. Seinfeld never had those moments. An hilarious show, very funny, but not close to AITF. Just my opinion, of course.
I actually sided with Archie in this case. He was drafted against his will to go to war himself but he did go he saw the horrors of war he saw friends die and he got a purple heart cause he took shrapnel and to have a draft dodger sitting at his table must have felt like a huge slap in the face
@TravisLoneWolfWalsh I applaud you! My grandfather fought in the Second World War. He wasn’t asked he got told. Watched his friends head blown off on Juno beach as they were running. He lived through the war yet had survivors guilt and they didn’t know what PTSD meant back then. There was no therapy for those men. It’s irrelevant which war it is. Same events happen in any war. People have missed what Archie was saying. We see 18 year olds back then going to war . No look at 18 year old kids today . Huge difference. Now you can’t say anything without offending someone.
@harrylongabaugh7402 Most certainly not the War in Vietnam was completely justified and fully Constitutional as a means to stop Communist expansionism across globe.
This was the scene where Archie actually says, "I ain't talking about the 'Goddamn' war!"---naturally, it was edited for television along the rest of the country when it aired on prime-time.
I dunno how Carroll didn’t give himself a heart attack! He was a brilliant actor.
Yelling doesn't strain the heart, it's what you yell about if it bothers you that does. Because Carroll is a brilliant actor, he was able to do that, because while it may have bothered him to say what Archie says, it doesn't bother him enough to care and in turn, doesn't strain the heart.
Buddy you got that right that acting on that on episode was nothing short of amazing !!!!!!!
Take an acting class and you will see the error in your comment.
@@mananimal3644
You’re taking the comment a little too seriously.
@@mananimal3644will you be my acting coach?
Probably the most heated scene in the entire series. Greatly acted by O'Connor.
Heated yes.
go look up the Dick Cavett interview with him. Comes out with a cigarette, talking like a trained Broadway/Shakespearean actor…because he was. Amazing man…RIP, Arch!
I'm very proud of All In The Family for bravely taking on this most important subject.
As a military Vet myself, i can tell you that this is one of the most devastatingly perfect statements on ALL armed conflict and it’s unmeasurable affects on everyone ever produced. This show has always been my all-time favorite series, but this episode alone is a masterpiece. And, frankly, I don’t think we’ll ever agree about its various meanings, but I think we can all agree that it’s brilliant and warrants endless viewings. The whole cast was amazing, but O’Connor? While that performance was a masterpiece, he went someplace exceptionally dark and hard to make it work. And we are all the better for it.
This USAF Vietnam Veteran seconds that.
Were you drafted, or did you volunteer?
Thank you for your service sir
It is truly a masterpiece.
It's what you personally feel you have to do. My whole family serveb in different Wars of this Country. I was Drafted, scared you got it Viet-Nam 66-67, but I was lucky. For what ever reason these Wars exist generation after Generation...It's a person's own individual choice and should not be judged by others...But I say we all owe service to this Great Free Country of America and it didn't get to this moment in time without such human sacrific.We must never forget those who gave all they had...for I will always be in Service to America...
That is arguably the greatest scene in the history of All In The Family.
I agree.
Without a doubt
You took the words right out of my mouth the most iconic scene in the history of the show for me.
This scene. The scene where Edith chases off the rapist, and the scene where Mike and Gloria say goodbye
@@paleo704 sammy kissing archie.....so many to count
I grew up during that era and this was not fiction. The same conversation was being held in dining rooms all over America
Socialists love war.
It was such a confusing time.
Very true, James. My father was a lifer in the USAF, but he didn't want me going to 'Nam.
I recall eating dinner each night and the national news would be on and seeing endless films of the fighting in Vietnam. Then Watergate occured. I'm sure many family gatherings erupted into arguments over those two events.
So why is the decade of the 1970's held in such high regard?
Carol O'Connors acting chops are amongst the best ive ever known. The mans eyes speak 20 pages of dialogue
Man my heart broke when he said "but David's alive to share Christmas dinner with us"
@Joel Grooms I understand the sentiment however I gotta disagree it was clearly an unjust war that was fought for no reason now would I have ran to Canada prob not cuz I would a liked to keep my citizenship but I can't say I'd blame other ppl for not wanting to take part in a war that was fought for no reason at all one could argue everyone that died in Vietnam unfortunately died in vein we did not stop the communists there and there was never any good reason to be there in the first place
david was a coward and i would have disowned him.
@@MadsWorld34 and Steven died for nothing 🤷🤷🤷
@@MadsWorld34 and don't see he died for apple pie and freedom and all that bullshit cuz not a single person was defending America thousands of miles away in Vietnam
@glen johnson
Oh please! Don't be so obtuse 🙄🙄
No matter how many times I watch this, I lose my breath when Archie does his thing. 😢😢😢
And that war still killed many after it was over. Those that served having PTSD. Depression. Drug issues. Suicide. My dad served in the Air Force over there, you could see it how it took it's toll on him over time. He died at 57 with addiction to pain pills being his biggest issue. Prayers and peace be with those that served and dealt with the hell they never should have gone through.
My father was in WW 2. My brother Vietnam. Vietnam was a horrible thing
Do you support arming the Ukrainians?
My condolences for your father’s passing.
@@susanlett9632I’m sorry about your brother. We had no business being in Vietnam.
First of all I’d like to say thank you to your dad. People have no idea how very very hard it is to be in real life combat if it weren’t for people like your father who were heroes we would enjoy the freedom that we have today.
Carroll O’Connor should have some an Emmy for these few lines. Brilliant acting all the way around. Why can’t we have tv like this today?
We do.
he's won a few for this show but I agree this episode was powerful, he should have won... I grew up in the 80s watching the reruns it's my #1 favourite show. it's really funny and a tear jerker at times. it had a perfect balance that's why it was an awesome show.👍🏻💯
@@Professorkenneth superman 2 is the goat of comic book movies?
@@propre6033 Who you trying to Bull Shit?
@@amelvin32 just opinions bro, take em or leave em.
Archie bunker’s war had men commit suicide if they were ruled 4-F for the draft. That’s why it matters so much to him
This should be pinned!!!!!!!!!!!
One of the most powerful, emotional scenes in television history. I see it from both sides but Pinky's speech just hits so hard. I come across this episode a lot and still get emotional.
Agree 100%--Pinky's speech absolutely hits home--there's really nothing more to say after that!!
Me too. It’s incredible that one scene can make me laugh and cry at the same time.
Me to.
Also, I'm Canadian. Born and raised in Toronto. Even though I wasn't alive then, I'm glad Canada didn't have a mandatory draft and I would personally have the same exact reservations as David. If I go to war, it's to take out another Hitler with concrete proof he exists. Not like the unjust, illegal wars you see today. War is terrible but is a part of human history so if we go to war, make it mean something.
@@chrisrapillo6401 The best scene in the history of the series, in my opinion. Carroll O'Connor's explosive display of anger is one of the most memorable moments in the history of television. He should have won an Emmy for his performance in this scene.
Honorable mention to Jean Stapleton, for her delivery of Edith's line about not having enough turkey for the feds. A commenter said that he saw this episode when it first aired, and Archie's line about the "goddamned war" was not censored. Another said the episode that aired in syndication wasn't edited, either. Not sure why this clip is. Other clips of this scene on RUclips include the curse word.
I met Eugene Roche once. And we talked about this episode. It is a very powerful episode and you not only got a laugh, the show made you think.
I remember someone asked my step-dad, who was drafted. Served and fought in the Vietnam War in the Army as part of an artillery unit. They asked my Pops how he felt about people who dodged the draft and went to Canada.
His response.
"I don't blame them. They didn't miss out on anything great."
As a proud Vietnam/Draft resistor....my regards to your wise father.
When I was 18 I had to register for the draft, but because I didn't want to leave home to fight in another country, I registered as a conscientious objector, and yes, I was afraid of dying young. I remember this episode of this show, and I don't blame the kid for not wanting to go to Vietnam 🇻🇳, or anybody else for that matter, I mean how many people lost their lives needlessly fighting in Vietnam 🇻🇳 while Nixon was safe and sound in the white house?
One of the best episodes of any television series.
Still brings a tear to the eye. Great writing and casting all down the line. They probably couldn't make a show like "All In The Family" today. Thank God they made it back then and we still have it to enjoy.
They could if they put a chick in made her gay and lame!
"Ain't nothing wrong with wanting to live"
this country never, never , should have put it's two cents into this senseless WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I don't want to talk about that rotten damn war no more! I'm talking about something else! And what he done was wrong!!" - so powerful.
What he actually said and what originally aired was God damn war
This show could tie you up in stitches - or rip your heart out.
Sometimes in the same scene.
🎭
Truly epic writing and acting.
The same with M*A*S*H* .
My brother grew up during this era, I was 3 years younger than him. I gradually realized the danger he was in, as I grew up, having to go fight in a war that none of us in our family believed in. (My dad was relieved from WWII overseas duty due to working in Washington, my mom worked in the Manhattan Project, so they participated in the WWII effort. A whole different kind of war.) My brother was planning to either be a CO or go to Canada. Luckily, he got a very low draft number in 1973 (the year he turned 18), and thankfully they ended the draft after the Paris Accords that year. There are those who will say he got off easy. He still grew up knowing he was possibly facing death or exile from his country, because he couldn't support a war that was dragged out and killing people for some ideological reason that made no sense to him.
I think because he had to be so serious all his childhood, he became a doctor who treated dying patients. He himself died fairly young (age 66) of pancreatic cancer.
Pinky could see what David was talking about right away and tried to change the subject. What a guy!
I’m a Canadian, and one of my very good friends here came to Canada as a draft dodger. He is one of the gentlest and kindest souls I have ever known. He told me that he just couldn’t bring himself to harm another human being, and I respect him for that. He came in 1970, worked as a farm hand, married a wonderful woman here and raised a family. He didn’t return to his native Connecticut until he had Canadian citizenship in 1979, albeit it for a brief family visit. Seems he had family like Archie Bunker and wasn’t really made to feel that welcome. Canada became his new home, and I’m glad to have known him.
Good, we don’t want him here anyway that sissy
We rename things now. Like COWARD.
One can do other things in the military besides carrying a firearm.
Ironically Carrol O Conner opposed the Vietnam war, rightly so
Mr. O'Conner was a proud Liberal. But you sure couldn't tell that in his portrayal of Archie. What an actor!!!!
And believe it or not, Beatrice Arthur voted for Nixon.
This is one of my favorite AITF episodes of All -Time, especially Pinky's reaction towards David at the end.
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the greatest show... brilliant balance 👍🏻💯 it's funny and serious. this episode was powerful.
I remember this episode. I was probably 13. I don’t remember how I felt when I first saw Archie scream “I don’t want to hear anymore about that God Damn War”. Now it brings tears
My Dad served in the Air Force over there. He has almost never talked about his service in Thailand. Once I showed him a video that a friend of mine who was a helicopter pilot during that time and it almost made him cry. He told me it brought back some memories which weren't so good.
God bless all who served during that time. Whether you agree with the war or you don't (I don't), this who served should be honored. Those who refused to serve, as conscientious objectors, should at least be respected as having the right to object.
I too served in Viet Nam and Thailand in the Air Force...Never had any opinion on the war, either way. Had a job to do so I went and did it....there are many other specialties in the military beside carrying an M-16. I am not real big on draft dodgers.
Best episode of the series. O'Connor is brilliant in this scene. Should of gotten an Emmy for it.
He is such a kind, gentle, soft spoken, humble man, not at all like the "fit" he throws here. What an actor!
One of my favorite episodes - not just of this great series, but TV in general!
At 3:18 in the original CBS episode Archie actually said “Goddam War.” This was powerful.
Good. I thought CBS censored it.
I SO BADLY want to hear the original audio of that scene. You can tell that there is a genuine anger in the part directly before and after they dub the “rotten” part in. Would give a lot to hear that.
@@PaulC-Drums There's another version on RUclips that leaves "goddamn war" in.
Thanks for confirming this. I was almost certain there was post production audio edit. CBS should have kept the original. They certainly had the courage to keep other edgy language in that series.
@@davidsamuels9557 If it's the short video I saw...they just edited it back in. It's not the original "goddamn".
This was an amazing episode.
All in the Family is the GOAT of TV sitcoms.
Love this episode. The audience reaction when David tells Edith he has been living in Canada pretty tells you where it's going. Both Archie and David think they are right as Archie is a proud WWII vet who served his country and received the Purple Heart, and David refused to take part in a senseless war because it compromises his principles. I love Pinky's reaction because he does what his son would have wanted. He treats David like his son. Beautiful. It's Christmas and a time of forgiving.
Really?? How so?
I mean how was Vietnam not senseless?
@@romans52345-cy3tq Don't feed this troll. he has been starting shit all over the comments of this video.
@@romans52345-cy3tqask the North Vietnamese
What this show did was make us understand BOTH SIDES of an issue and feel good about and we understood. Now, we just cancel each other out. We need more ALL IN THE FAMILY moments.
You people talking about both sides are so bad at media literacy. This scene is obviously showing Archie as in the wrong, as it should. The entire show was supposed to be making fun of the loud bigot, not make you agree with him lol.
@@Mint403 It always amazes me how eager people are to put themselves above others. Case in point, Mr. "you are bad at media literacy" here. He oversimplifies the meaning of "both sides" just to write a snide insult. Most of us know what he meant by "both sides". Archie wasn't hateful. Often snide, but not hateful. His bigotry was that of false belief, and stubbornly clinging to old ways of thinking. More importantly, there was always a path back for Archie, and a hand out if he was willing to change. Today, most people would just mock someone for being a bigot last week, than praise them for not being one this week.
I think that was parent's point re "both sides", and I'm sure you knew that, too.
@user-kh3sh3ir5m Nah he was wrong just like he almost always is. Why were we needed to be in Vietnam? Did anything bad happen to us when we lost? Nope.
@user-kh3sh3ir5m
There was no need for you to be in Vietnam. That war was useless.
@user-kh3sh3ir5m
Oh really? Them explain why.
I respect all who served and all who felt like David. There were no winners in that awful war.
I don't believe I have ever seen Archie so boiling mad in any other episode. This was powerful!
Im White. Trump loving Republican.
US Marine 85 to 89.
I believe Americans who protested Vietnam, or dodged the draft were true Americans.
That war was hell. It was a nightmare😢
Thank you for your service, Marine. Semper Fi
Growing up in the 70's I loved "All in the Family" I learned so much about race, the Vietnam war, and homosexuality from this show as a young kid. A lot of real issues that were never taught to me in school and my parents didn't talk about them because I think they wanted to shield us from these uncomfortable subjects. But I learned and being informed about these subjects gave me a better understanding of the world and it opened my mind and made me aware that the world was not as rosy as our parents made it seem.
You were misinformed.
Compared with the world today, it was paradise. Today, we have an epidemic of drugs, unemployment, a breakdown of a work ethic, domination of corporations and a proliferation of rules we sheepishly follow. Id go back to 1972 in a minute.
@@henrystowe6217 Well, it all depends on who you ask. Some people of ethnic persuasion didn't have it so good.
@ebongripper7274 Opening your eyes and seeing things as they are instead of being sheltered and closed minded is not being misinformed.
@@josevalentin890 it coincided with the Great Society and forced integration, thoigh i am shocked and embarrassed at how minorities were treated by some back then. It wasnt always the rule.
Carroll was in ww2 and this scene was very special to him and in an interview he said we went off script for doing that yelling at the war cause he fought for our country
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Germans didn't discriminate against US warships and US Merchant Marine ships.
@@duffelbagdrag yes, we know that (21 years Army) my point is whether a combatant sailor, or a merchant, a uboat torpedo doesn't discriminate.
@@duffelbagdrag whoa easy there high speed, get yourself another chug of that preworkout. Where in any post did I state non facts about O'Connor, if you know something I don't from cursory search, then normally that is shared. But if it's a OPSEC violation, I'll just moonwalk out of the SCIF🤷♂️
Brilliant acting by Carol O'Connor here
Powerful scene. Incredible performances. Find myself laughing through moist eyes. Like "we haven't enough food for the FBI". Carrol is amazing.
3:18 the most power moment of this show.
A very powerful, memorable episode.
This was as impactful as any episode in the series. A tremendous testament to the division sewn by The Vietnam War and one's beliefs and obligations during wartime. Unbelievable acting by Carroll O'Connor and an underrated heartfelt piece by actor Eugene Roche in explaining why it was appropriate for David to stay.
I’ve been back here numerous times to watch this episode of all in the family it was one of the funniest and serious sitcoms on TV and this episode gets me every time 😢
The most powerful acting performance in television history!!!
Arguably the best episode ever. Notice when Archie breaks down and curses the Vietnam War. Yeah, even Archie Bunker as it turns out actually hated the war too....This was a time for healing....
Yeah. For sure.
Carroll O'Conner was a iconic actor who portrayed the typical "American persona" of All In the Family. Carroll performance in this episode is "outstanding"
"Outstanding"? As in girl you knock me out??? No, it was actually outstanding.
I can see both sides of this.......powerful stuff.
What a show to have such a powerful episode in it's 7th season!! It's amazing to read the contemporary comments by people and see how there is still a divide on the issue. Great television
OMG. I’m actually in tears! Wow! That scene was powerful!
I get teary eyed too everytime I watch this scene. Maybe someone can explain why.
So powerful
I cry EVERY TIME I watch it
And I've watched it MANY times
Same here 😥😥
I’ll wave the flag 🇺🇸 year round, and Michael “Meathead” Stivic can go to H-E-Double-Toothpicks.
the very best moment of one of the very best episodes of ones the very best tv shows of all time
What a powerful episode. I hope someone will
Put up the full episode. Wonderful Christmas episode. Prayerfully one day good, clean wholesome entertainment will come back one day.
No it wasn't wonderful this really one episode of that show I didn't like at all
It Wasn't a Funny Episode like it usually was most of times
@Lavell Williams
Oh hush up twerp
@@lavellwilliams1541
Get a grip
@@lavellwilliams1541
Too deep for you?
I grew up during the Vietnam War R.O.T.C. era (Run Off To Canada), and well remember a lot of young men making those hard choices. Watching this scene always gets me crying.
POWERFUL episode. I come from a military family. My brother was in Vietnam. I eas a military wife for 25 years. I agree with the draft dodger but get Archie's point as well
*Yeah, no.*
One of the greatest episodes ever
"He owes an explanation to the Commander in Chief"
"I wrote him a letter explaining myself, sir."
"Where do you get off writing a letter to the President?!"
LOL, Archie's a mad lad :P
Edith was so good in this scene to puncher the tension in the scene.
At the end of the day, Archie had the right to ask questions and be concerned about who was in his house.
Yeah. But, he didn’t need to get all hot and heavy and make a thing about it. He Could have said he disagreed but he was just going to leave it.
@@EphemeralProductions i think what may be missed in Archie's screaming reply is his belief in unwavering military devotion AND WWII ptsd. That he had done it and was offended that younger men refused their obligation. Again, Archie's blowup revealed an (unadmitted or even unrecognized?) realization that he had volunteered, younger men hadn't, AND his subsequent worklife had underprovided...) He was screaming about how life fucked him, a patriotic lover of what he understood America to be.
@@EphemeralProductions True, but Archie was right. David was a fugitive and if he was discovered in their house then the entire Bunker family could have been charged with harboring a fugitive. He had every right to be upset about that
@@EphemeralProductions That would make for a really boring episode.
@@whodidit99 yep i know it. lol
Awesome show and deep subject matter. For decades I thought I had to pick one side or the other. Fight or dodge. I know now that I admire both stances, those who fight for a noble purpose. And those who refuse to kill another human being at the request of another. I respect both sides.
Probably the finest half-hour ever spent by any of the networks on a topic so devastatingly important to the American public and, even more so, to the American psyche. I believe the famous photograph of one of the dead students at Kent State (5/4/70) bears this out. Vietnam is still a sore spot with the generations (who especially) lived through those times. The counter-culture probably said it best: "What if they gave a war and nobody came?"
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Socialists love war
My partner's father came to Canada from America to escape the Vietnam War. If he hadn't, she and I wouldn't be together.
So Amazing. Love You All.
I don't blame him for dodging the draft it's his life and he didn't start the war and it is wrong of other people to tell him that he should sacrifice his life for a war they started. If they feel so strongly about it then they can send their families to fight the war they feel so strongly about.
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I cant watch this without crying now that my son is gone. Worst feeling in the world to have a dead son.
God bless your son.
Carroll OConnor and Jean Stapleton were the best of the best...no one has ever brought drama and comedy to the TV screen like these two and I doubt ever will again. Carroll deserved an Emmy for this performance, but the entire cast was brilliant.
They both make valid points from each point of view.
Keep in mind Archie was a WW2 Vet
Exactly! For someone who served in war is not going to understand someone who didn't.
@@LBF522 Not only that, but Archie was also drafted so its not like he wanted to go either
@@megabladechronicles962 True.
@@duffelbagdrag Being in the merchant marines was one of the most dangerous jobs during the war actually. The Germans sunk 1700 ships and thousands were killed and thousands more badly injured
@@duffelbagdrag You seem sensitive and irritated by something and I was also posting a fact and it was no lecture (poor exaggeration on your part) And I'll repeat it " Being in the merchant marines was one of the most dangerous jobs during the war actually. The Germans sunk 1700 ships and thousands were killed and thousands more badly injured"
Tell your Grandkids that one pal
Carroll O'Connor. One of the greatest actors of all time.
“(The President) couldnt come up with as many reasons for killing people as I could for not killing them.”
Thats a fantastic line!
it is a great line, but I seriously doubt Nixon would have written anyone a letter back
@@michaeltrower741 plus its pure sophistry...Nixon was making decisions based on a national security situation...he wasn't specifically killing just to kill....
Awesome writing in this scene!
Think of this when you think of what's happening in Ukraine.
This never fails to bring tears to my eyes.
Archie wanted Pinky’s opinion….until he said something he didn’t agree with.
Archie listened and kept quiet.
@@henrystowe6217 also, Archie was really confused after hearing Pinky's words.
Awesome acting in this 1976 Christmas episode of All In The Family. Carroll O Connor should have won an Emmy Award for those lines he shouted !
THIS WAS A VERY POWERFUL EPISODE HERE, I GREW UP DURING THE TIME OF THE VIETNAM WAR AND SEVERAL OF MY FRIENDS LOST THEIR BROTHERS IN THE WAR
WHAT..? Say WHAT? SPEAK UP..!
I was in first grade when my close friend’s brother came home in a box in 1969. It was devastating. Then my neighbor came home injured and another came home imbalanced and never recovered. They’re both gone now and both passed away very young. That war was such a disaster. We never had their backs. We never should have been there in the first place.
@@LlyleHunterso your dating David coukd not kill?
@@JustinMacri007
Wtf are you blithering on about?
@@wisecracker1814
Hush up
Still the most powerful scene ever filmed in a sitcom
Brilliant just brilliant. It proves to our current generation that even though we argue and disagree over tough issues we can come together and heal. Great acting.
two of the people may have come together and healed but didn't see Archie doing that
Powerful provocative stuff!
Best tv episode ever.
Powerful. So emotional. Brought tears to my eyes. The greatest sitcom ever.
Carroll o' connors put on on a great performance by putting a lot of intensity in that scene. He deserve an academy award.
In addition to some of the best comedy ever to grace T.V, what set this show apart & imbedded it in our hearts & minds, was how it took on the issues. Head on, no holes barred. Race. Sex. Religion. And war. THAT war.
I'm 70 yrs old, and I still cry about it. War is never easy, but that one was a real tear in the soul of our country. Very few in the middle. You supported it, or you didn't. It divided families. Friends. Co-workers. Even churches. The wound is still raw. Still hurts.
And now we're trying to survive new wounds. The 'middle'.... compromise... seems harder & harder to find. Will we ever? What's it gonna take..? Please, God. Not another war.
Archie might call us all Dingbats & meatheads....
Powerful stuff and brilliant acting.
Lear's bias is unmistakable in this show, but he does give Archie common sense on many issues, even here when he declares it's a "GD rotten war!" clearly edited out for TV.
Exactly. I saw it on tv in syndication unedited. Why post an edited version on YT???
@@jasonbeard4713 I've never actually seen the unedited. On TV it's always been edited
I thought the replaced "GD" with "rotten"
@@jonnaking3054 No, I saw the unedited version on tv.
@@jasonbeard4713 me too. the unedited version is GD powerful.
Happening in Russia as we speak.
We are celebrating it or using it for public relations in America.
No... what's happening in Ukraine is a manipulation of the worst filthy stinking POS president in the history of this country...and I would have loved to have heard what Archie would have said about that pathetic scumbag...and the fools who voted for IT.
This was an excellent show that tackled may issues...
While not the level of having an ongoing draft, myself and all of my siblings have served over the last 30 years. Marines, army, navy, air force. Our father was drafted during Vietnam, and he explodes like this when we all talk about how the 20 years war we just got out of was wrong. Bunker is clearly dealing with PTSD over his time in this scene, and trying to come to grips with having served in WW2.
I was in junior high school then, and recall this show. I think “All in The Family” program was very helpful to this country.
For those who never understood why All in the Family is arguably the best sitcom in the history of TV should watch this scene. It was one of many and they were iconic. Norman Lear was a genius. RIP.
Was AITF better than Seinfeld?
@@romans52345-cy3tq Yes. Seinfeld is a great sitcom, but it really only deals with humor. AITF was perfectly balanced, seamlessly combining humor and drama. Seinfeld never had those moments. An hilarious show, very funny, but not close to AITF. Just my opinion, of course.
Well done!
I actually sided with Archie in this case. He was drafted against his will to go to war himself but he did go he saw the horrors of war he saw friends die and he got a purple heart cause he took shrapnel and to have a draft dodger sitting at his table must have felt like a huge slap in the face
WW11 made sense. Vietnam did not.
War never makes sense ever .We should never kill our fellow man
@TravisLoneWolfWalsh I applaud you! My grandfather fought in the Second World War. He wasn’t asked he got told. Watched his friends head blown off on Juno beach as they were running. He lived through the war yet had survivors guilt and they didn’t know what PTSD meant back then. There was no therapy for those men. It’s irrelevant which war it is. Same events happen in any war. People have missed what Archie was saying. We see 18 year olds back then going to war . No look at 18 year old kids today . Huge difference. Now you can’t say anything without offending someone.
@@mariafrancepitmanVietnam was an unconstitutional and immoral war while ww2 for the U.S. was not.
@harrylongabaugh7402 Most certainly not the War in Vietnam was completely justified and fully Constitutional as a means to stop Communist expansionism across globe.
This was the scene where Archie actually says, "I ain't talking about the 'Goddamn' war!"---naturally, it was edited for television along the rest of the country when it aired on prime-time.
This is the first time Archie spoke out against the Vietnam War
Pinky was a really good man.
Goddamn, this show was so good.
What a powerful scene.
People better take a serious look at this episode, as history is bound to repeat itself.
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