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Snaggle Toothed good cause I've never understood people who assume others are children just for liking animation. With all the critical praise, golden globe nominations, well written stories, gorgeous art work, and many people who analyze them like this channel, it still doesn't make sense why people like you treat animation like a joke. Also I've never understood people who can't argue their point beyond just repeating their point, but I guess I'll understand that when I'm older too. Oh well
@@TheFeliciakelley Very true. Also probably has something to do with the fact that he was (intentionally) oblivious to a lot of the abuse happening around him/to him.
This finale was so profoundly sad to me, but so fitting. I couldnt help but feel terribly for Gary and, to an extent, Selina. That last shot of her alone in the oval was so incredible.
I felt kind of bad for Gary (though if you listen closely, he's not a compassionate person), but Selena caused untold death and misery with her selfishness and earned zero fucks. She's war criminal, despot-level garbage. She had better be alone because, like Tony Soprano, she contaminates anyone close to her.
It was sad but I don't think it fits. It was just terrible. C'mon, this is a comedy show. We here to laugh, not be sad. That's why we fucking watch comedy shows lol
I'm so happy Mike got out of that toxic environment and became a succesful anchor for CBS. He and Richard were the most likeable characters on the show.
I agree. Mike was my fave (after I realized Gary will never leave Selina) and I saw myself in him. I also work as a writer and had experience in broadcasting. He's also nice but sometimes rude and awkward and the butt of jokes.
Veep is a personal favorite of mine because it embodied the sheer decadence of our political system in a way that was funny and didn’t insult its viewers’ intelligence.
Watch the “thick of it” it’s the original BBC version (There’s even a movie from it with James Galdofini).....Every good American TV show was ripped off the Brits
Three, if you count her being a cast member on Saturday Night Live from 1982 to 1985. Yes, Eddie Murphy and Joe Piscopo were front and center, but she still had a lot of great moments.
From a Bicycle seat Well it's not a perfect analogy. I think my reasoning is they both end their series being far worse people than they were originally and in that respect ”Veep” is a better demonstration of a downward spiral. You're right though Dany started off as basically a good person and she fell much further.
Can't agree with the analogy at all. For starters the writing bears no comparison. There was no gradual descent, Dany was a good person till her sudden and jarring turn around in the final two episodes of the season. Everything you could charge her with was 100 percent also done by other good characters in the show. And secondly as they kept hammering home (terribly) was she was her madness, her fall was in no way dictated by her principles or personal character flaws...this was a genetic predisposition she (apparently) could not escape. They are not comparable as characters at all, except that they are women....
Lian McGuire Well that's sort of my point. If the writers of Game of Thrones Wanted Dany to become a villain they should have set it up properly. Veep did a better job showing Selina progressively becoming a worse person so her being a villain makes sense. Hence why I said Daenerys Targaryen’s character arch done right.
@@LFire12 Dany was a good person? She was a self righteous child that demanded she be on the throne that her father tried to burn to the ground. She was a crazed lunatic that would do anything to be on top. She talked about breaking the wheel but only after she was on top which didn't make her different. She refused all peaceful negotiations and when once again confronted with the truth that she was not the rightful heir, she wanted to keep it a secret because it was never about being justice but just finishing what her father had started. Don't be fooled by the freeing slaves making her a good person. I do agree with you though that Selina was never a good person either. She was a heartless politician through and through. But you are correct that Selina didn't have a story arc. She talked a lot about her legacy but was always in denial from episode one that it didn't matter what she did as long as she became president. She was never meant to be an empathetic character. Much like Julia's other two long running characters, Selina was just meant to be a hot mess through and through.
@sboudreaux27 Nixon actually was the one that ended the draft and then the conflict in Vietnam. He was the one that made sure civil rights laws were being followed in the south. He pushed more on women's equal rights in education including the signing of Title IX. He established the EPA. People that use him as a example of being a bad president are ones that no nothing more than he got impeached.
@@mariesabine2385 Yes, Marie, and she loved herself:) I am a South East Londoner but watching glimpses of this year's; USA Election Campaign shows how accurate this series was. Along with Curb Your Enthusiasm, my favoUrite 2 American comedies in my 70 years😀
The part that gets me is that Gary totally would have taken the blame willingly if she'd just asked him to do it. All the insults and bad decisions amounted to Selina Meyer becoming the villain.
I think it’s sort of implied that he still did. He could’ve turned on her at trial to save himself, and god knows he has a lot of dirt that could totally derail Selina. But despite all that he still took it and went to prison
I never thought of Amy, Kent or Dan's ending as depressing. I truly think they just embodied who they were. Amy and Dan may have loved each other, even briefly, but they would have made a miserable couple and awful parents (Amy would not have enjoyed being a mother.) Kent has a child working in NASA and lives on a farm with his wife, away from politics and living simply - he won. It was only Gary who I really felt for. I do believe he and Selina were twisted soulmates in a sense.
I don't consider Amy or Dan or Kent to be very good people but I think the ending of Veep is pretty bitter when Selina effectively burns everyone who's worked for her in the past 7 years. She sticks Amy with Jonah, she makes Richard fire Dan, she pushes Jonah as veep which drives Kent away, she quickly moves on from Ben's heart attack, and she scapegoats Gary, and this isn't even mentioning the long estrangement from her family. Selina gets what she wants in the end but realizes what it cost pretty much everything. So i guess even if most of these characters aside from Selina are better for it in the long run, it's still kinda depressing when it happens
@@strangething7379 Oh, Selina sacrificing everything to become president gave her the lonely ending she deserved, absolutely, and it did impact the others. I suppose I meant that in their own endings, at least Kent, Dan, Amy and Richard got to move on after she gave them up for her own lust for power.
@@blueskybelyr Yeah Selina had the second worst ending of them all. Not only did she die alone & truly unhappy, clearly from the way she looked around sad in the Oval Office alone, but she will be remembered as a shitty president. Look how quickly they moved on from her death to the death of Tom Hanks. She’s nothing. The rest of her staff won. As soon as she fucked everyone over, they ended up leaving that toxic relationship with Selina & lived better lives because of it. Minus Gary who truly lost the most. Was in prison for years & is still loyal despite it all. Tony Hale described it as a dog returning to eat its vomit.
Don’t forget it was the real Nobel Peace Prize and not the one made of hard plastic Selina got. I think it’s also to mean that when you do things with the best of intentions and just because it’s the right thing to do, it’ll be duly acknowledged. Selina only wanted to create a legacy; a LEGACY that was quite shit regardless and despite of the effort she put in.
Or MASH, it only ended in the early '80s. Hell they could have reshot, shot for shot the ending of MASH and it still would have been better than game of thrones original ending.
selina sacrificing gary is a sinister version of 'you have to sacrifice the thing you love the most to achieve your dream' and i'm here for it great parallel to a supervillain's arc. now that i'm seeing it in these terms, the whole show seems darker. but it makes sense. after all, the most dangerous supervillains are the ones with no values and a thirst for more power
I agree with everything you said except the last line. IMHO the most dangerous villains have values and believe in their own self-righteous mission to do what is "necessary" for "the greater good" That way they can excuse the most vile and vicious acts. Case in point Dany... or Thanos.
But the difference with those compared to Selena is that she’s really too stupid and surrounded by idiots to be anything more than a terrifying shadow once she disappears.
Rewatching the show, it's pretty obvious that Gary is both a victim and an enabler of Selina's malignant narcissism. He's a tragic figure, but definitely not a good guy. The way he treats Catherine is very telling in that regard.
The scene where Selina is sitting all alone staring at the oval office and questioning all the choices she made that lead her to that chair is GOLD. It summarized Selina's whole journey. The legacy and position she so badly wanted and got... but what does it mean without anyone to support and cheer her. She lost her daughter, Gary, Amy, Kent and Mike. She's all alone
@sboudreaux27 I appreciate that little bit. I think the finale would have been waaaay to depressing without it but because they included it the show offers a little bit of hope that even when things are bad, there are still good people trying their best to improve things
As much as I love Gary, he’s just as bad as Salina because he was complicit in everything she did. In the end, everyone left her and he stayed blindly. Then 20 years later we find out he kept that lipstick. Its horrible. I was hoping that at some point he would see how she’s treating everyone thats been on her side and forgiven her all this time and decided to leave her at the podium before its done to him. That would have been a better ending for him.
I think love is blind. She had such a hold over him and he’d sacrifice his own morals for her in a heartbeat. He really did love her but no one should love anyone that much.
I think Kent did quite well after leaving politics. He had a daughter and he focused on his hobbies. No loss there. And if you want to learn the real meaning of sacrifice, read the manga "Berserk".
Yeah I was glad things worked out for Kent, he wasn't that bad. Also I'm a massive Berserk fan so it's a welcome surprise to see it getting a shout out in the comments.
Lila Hesse you are worse than me I just have missed the final season and cheating and watching this. Her character is a horrible person but the show is funny as hell and Julia is especially hysterically funny.
Lila Hesse be warned that her character is a horrible person but hysterically funny. There is lots of venom amping all the characters on a regular basis and the language is harsh. It’s a great show tho
Watching this after finally finishing season 7 (just a year late) because I needed to make sense of what she did to Gary. I'm a grown ass man and him leaving the dubonnet on her casket left me sobbing. What a great finale.
I'm a 66 year old Englishman from London who knew VEEP was created by the genius that is Armando Iannucci and yet did not watch it until Series 4, by accident. Then I could not stop watching until the end and, uncharacteristically, I shed a tear, as well.. I felt sad at the ending and the finality of that ending that there could be no more....
I finish it like 15 minutes ago and I'm heartbroken for how realistic it was. I didn't laugh once in the last 80 minutes of the show. I love how they made it dark and sad. I think mostly everyone got to be happ(ier) than Selina. And... At least making Richard president was subtle happy ending, he was good at heart and probably included Catherine in the right way. I now think I prefer my life as it is and screw dreams.
It hit me what the narrator said about Catherine.. "this beaten down woman can start living her life" and it's a shot of Catherine all old yet the most alive you've seen her resting in peace on Marjorie's shoulder while Selina's funeral plays out on the TV
This is phenomenal. I definitely viewed Richard Splett not only becoming president, but becoming a fabulous, beloved president, as a hopeful nod there at the end.
There's a greater focus on Selina getting what she deserves and giving up Gary was the final nail in the coffin. But maybe it also shows how everyone has to take responsibility for their actions,including Gary. He paid the price for forever enabling a monster.
I cried so much after the finale. I couldn’t believe she did that to Gary. The realization of all of her actions hit me in the face all at once. What a show!
I always thought Gary got what he deserved. Every time Selina said something terrible to someone, Gary was right behind her nodding in affirmation. I remember how happy Gary was to dock Amy a day of pay for having an abortion, one that Amy specifically wanted her to have. I loved it how many of the characters seemingly had favorable outcomes in their lives, while Selina was alone and ultimately had her funeral overshadowed by Tom Hanks.
So, she is like Daenerys but done and written correctly? At the end, Danny was also alone, everyone who loved her either died or betrayed her (except Grey Worm but he is basically her VP). She sacrificed an entire city to make sure she would be queen and will burn anything to make sure she has power. Whoever didn’t bend the knee to her would die. And when she died, politics moved on and the world didn’t crumble into pieces after all. Edit: just realized they made the comparison in part 2 video
I'm a 66 year old Englishman from London who knew VEEP was created by the genius that is Armando Iannucci and yet did not watch it until Series 4, by accident. Then I could not stop watching until the end and, uncharacteristically, I shed a tear, as well.. I felt sad at the ending and the finality of that ending that there could be no more....
This is such a great perspective, I don't usually watch long videos past the 3 minutes mark, but this was so intriguing and beautifully constructed that I was hooked till the very last minute. Thank you for doing this.
Gary was the sacrifice she made, she sold her soul , if she had any left. Mike is the example that if you are good and diligent, good things will happen to you. He finally got the role he deserved. Richard is the perfect example of being righteous and great at your work raises you up. Selina gained everything she wished for but also lost everything in the process. Such A beautiful show. I wish we got a glimpse of Minna at the end.
I felt so much empathy for Catherine during the entire series. How Selina couldn't love her own daughter was beyond my understanding. Catherine really was Selina's biggest victim. Selina paid no attention to Catherine ever .. so much that the audiences also stop paying attention to Catherine's entry and exit into the show. She becomes irreverent and unlikeble to the audiences in a similar fashion that she is to Selina. Its interesting how Selina missed/mentioned Catherine's name over the phone in the last scene. Either way, they were a very interesting mother-daughter duo. Great writing there.
I can't believe they ended it on such a down note :'-(. The Gary storyline is heart breaking... He loved her so much and went to prison for it. That's insane.
I couldn't imagine why anyone would think this show would have left on a happy note. The characters spiraled downward from the first episode, it would've made no sense for any of them to have a redemption at the end.
I tend to think that was why Kent liked Sue so much: she was so hyper-focused and efficient at one job that it was almost mechanical. She's likely more loyal to her desk and computer than any actual person, and I remember them joking about her being in an old portrait, and it made me think of how she's basically the physical embodiment of an office fixture. Far as we can tell, all she does all day is keep people away from the V.P. I also think it may have been why they didn't have Sue at the funeral, nor have any mention of what she's doing in the year 2040. I think we're just supposed to assume she's still manning the desk, and we're left to wonder like Kent if she's some kind of immortal being tethered to the White House for all eternity
Sue is the only employee of selina who treated her like a boss....and her job like a job...Thats why she didn't give a shit about selina or get involved in her crap
It's interesting how the only 2 names Selina mentioned in the last scene were that of Gary and Catherine. The 2 people closest to her and she lost them forever...
I just finished the last episode and Wow! I cried a tiny bit in a satire-comedy show? In retrospect, veep indeed felt dark and sad at the same time. Gary part hit hard though.
I just finished it. It just kept getting more tragic and tragic. I'm really happy the take covered it. I really need someone to make sense of this tragedy of a show. Gary and Amy broke my heart. Amy turning into basically Kellyanne Conway was just so hard to watch. And poor Gary ugh.
Amidst all the great writing and madness I feel like I've forgotten to appreciate Julia Louis-Dreyfus as much as I should. She's an incredible actor and she showcased all her talent as Selina Mayer. This scene at 5:38 in particular... Being her last scene as Selina and she did it perfectly. The moment of realization and her character coming full cirlce
the whole thing, all over again actually though watch the film In The Loop and if you like that, then watch The Thick Of It. Made by the people behind Veep seasons 1-4, and Anna Chlumsky and Zach Woods are in ITL
I always wondered how long Gary was in prison for. I hope after he got out he was able to find a life for himself. I know the finale portrays him as a broken man but it's entirely possible he found some happiness after getting out of prison and was just somber because of that specific occasion and the reflection of what she did to him.
I’ve watched every season at least four times. And I cry each time I get to the finale and Gary is just watching over her casket w/ the lipstick. Also I thought Selina had a funeral blacklist, guess they didn’t follow through on that.
She made the list but I think the joke is it was never labelled as a blacklist, and so the people who she didn't want to be there are all at the front row as presumably the list was assumed to be the guest list.
Damn. That ending hit me. I just finished the show yesterday and the tragic undertones hit me😢 Like after all that, she gave up Gary. The ending was so fitting and yet felt so wrong. What a show👏🏾👏🏾
It's also a different show. Look at how fast Splett rose. It's a half hour comedy show. Even though they still made it make sense since they can skip time how ever much they want.
The only problem with Dany burning King's Landing is that it's not economical. If I were one of her commanders I'd have said, "Great! Where they hell are we supposed to live now? You burned all the food, the shade, the rum?"
Lovely analysis, love the show. But I want to say that Gary was not her soul. He enabled her throughout the entire series, and Gary himself is quite vicious and cruel to other characters. He does love her unconditionally though, but I don't feel that he made Selina a better person. He was just this last person we thought she would betray. It would be like Dany killing Missandei. Gary was not Selina's Missandei. He was her dragon. If the show was about Gary, it would be a tragic cautionary tale, but he would have gotten exactly what he deserves. He was the minion.
For we pay a price for everything we get or take in this world; and although ambitions are well worth having, they are not to be cheaply won. - Lucy Maud Montgomery
What happened to Gary kind of shook me. It was heart wrenching and brutal. And like killing a puppy. Selina did something at par with Voldemort, Sauron and Hannibal.
I hated them killing her off. I also don't believe she would have reversed gay marriages for Buddy. The writers ignored her being a great politician and placed her in an impossible situation in which her only out would be to sacrifice everything or at least promise to... And at the very least she would have never gone through with those promises once she got the presidency.
As the pile of Selina' evil deeds kept accumulating.. you'd assume she's gonna lose bad and finally get the horrible punishment she deserves. Instead, she ends up winning and losing everyone that ever loved and cared for her. Think of it, that's a better punishment coz it made her stop and question her life choices. If she'd lose, she'd never come to appreciate the people in her life, but only come to blame them even more. Only wining and losing them could do that to her.
I love veep thanks so much for this I though the ending was brilliant!! Please i know it’s an older show now but please do a Six feet under video there is so much to analyze about this beautiful show about life and death each character is so deep and complex and so many lessons to take away
although the ending was very spot on i hated it because it was so hard to watch and sad. this was a comedy and had no business turning into such a serious and drama that it almost made be cry :(
I still feel very perplexed about the ending of veep. I can’t help but feel it ended up taking itself way too seriously. It began with a bunch of dimensional and real characters that lived in genuinely funny situations to a Shakespearean tragedy. It was like a melodrama by the end and we lost touch with the sharpness of the writing and the acting from when veep was at its peak (season 3-5). It was too self aware by the end and the characters were just caricaturist versions of what they once were.
(SPOILERS) After Selina finally becomes President but fails miserably, the core story is over. Like most sitcoms, the show has to change direction at this point to avoid becoming repetitive. I think there are two ways of dealing with this. The first option is to just end the show once the core story is complete, like 'The Thick Of It' (the show from which Veep was adapted) did. Four seasons of political ups and downs, ending with the final departure of one or more central characters from politics. By this point most fresh comedic material arising from the original premise will have been used up effectively, without becoming tired. A short run, with consistently excellent satire. Alternatively, the show can pivot to an adjusted tone or premise to 'unlock' new sources of comedy which are still fresh. This is what 'Veep' does: it becomes significantly less grounded after season 5, with greater stakes and increased focus on dramatic plot points. While this might not be the most elegant solution, I do think Veep pulls it of far better than most sitcoms: the later seasons, although a bit different, remain very funny, well written and still pretty close in feel to the rest of the show. If the producers want more seasons, this is as good they get. The main source of difference this creates in Veep, in my view, is the gradual erosion of balance between misery and sympathy. In the earlier seasons, with almost exclusively British writers, all the main characters are constantly mocked, betrayed and disappointed; they are also, for the most party, equally unpleasant, disloyal and unreliable to others. Therefore, when one of them is miserable, it is poetic justice: mean characters get their comeuppance. In later seasons, however, this changes. As more American writers came onboard, most notably with the change of showrunner, character arcs become more important and give rise to increasingly complex emotional dynamics. This makes characters far more sympathetic, relatable and, consequently, tangible. Throwaway insults are no longer just punchlines: they cause genuine, lasting offence to characters, and elicit far more genuine sympathy from the viewer. This is most keenly felt with Catherine, one of very few genuinely sympathetic characters in the early show. At first, Selina's narcissistic neglect is frustrating and disappointing but remains comedic, precisely because Catherine is generally able to ignore it. Her character is sort of 2.5 dimensional: she is a faintly tragic but stoic figure, whose emotional state is stable and only temporarily affected by any individual slight. This leaves room for comedy, as the viewer needn't worry too much about the consequences of Selina's dismissive remarks. In later seasons, however, this balance is lost: the impact of neglect on Catherine's mental health is made explicit, while the increased emotional stakes of her relationship and pregnancy make her mother's selfishness increasingly unforgivable even in the heightened context of the sitcom. By making Catherine's character too real, the audience no longer perceives Selina as merely selfish: instead, she is cruel. In a cynical comedy like Veep selfishness is often funny. But cruelty is not. In short, by making characters more complex and sympathetic, it becomes far more difficult to make jokes about them without addressing emotional consequences. This means that instead of (very solid) characterisation being in service of comedy, the opposite occurs: comedy creates consequences, driving sincere character drama. In Veep this is generally done subtly and well, but it is a big change which does palpably alter the atmosphere in later seasons. I think this is why the betrayal of Gary is played so straight: the previous season or so, through the development of both Selina and Gary's characters, made the former gradually more cruel and the latter more sympathetic: by the time this process is resolved, the emotional wight involved become too great to be played for laughs, demanding a dramatic take. It also abandons the principle of comeuppance, since Gary did not deserve the betrayal, despite his many serious flaws. This plot point, by virtue of the very evolution in approach which served as its premise, demanded drama.
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Snaggle Toothed well it's a good thing this channel has done animated children's films before or I'd be stuck with your mediocre analysis
Snaggle Toothed you really have a problem with animation don't you?
Snaggle Toothed good cause I've never understood people who assume others are children just for liking animation. With all the critical praise, golden globe nominations, well written stories, gorgeous art work, and many people who analyze them like this channel, it still doesn't make sense why people like you treat animation like a joke. Also I've never understood people who can't argue their point beyond just repeating their point, but I guess I'll understand that when I'm older too. Oh well
Snaggle Toothed again just repeating your right doesn't explain why your right. And making fun of the person you disagree with is just childish
I think Splett becoming a really good president was such a sweet undertone to the finale.
Aj Snyder Annette Splett was so funny to me too 😂
Yeah. Exactly.
@@hanb902 wasn’t he?
Nothing got under his skin
@@TheFeliciakelley Very true. Also probably has something to do with the fact that he was (intentionally) oblivious to a lot of the abuse happening around him/to him.
Splett?
This finale was so profoundly sad to me, but so fitting. I couldnt help but feel terribly for Gary and, to an extent, Selina. That last shot of her alone in the oval was so incredible.
I felt kind of bad for Gary (though if you listen closely, he's not a compassionate person), but Selena caused untold death and misery with her selfishness and earned zero fucks. She's war criminal, despot-level garbage. She had better be alone because, like Tony Soprano, she contaminates anyone close to her.
I nearly cried my eyes out from the moment she betrayed Gary until like, half an hour after the show ended.
Yeah I felt so bad for Gary, he just didn't know who he was outside of being Selina's bagman
@@tonialoconte I didn't realize that this ending would be worse than political death to her. It was profoundly dark.
It was sad but I don't think it fits. It was just terrible. C'mon, this is a comedy show. We here to laugh, not be sad. That's why we fucking watch comedy shows lol
I'm so happy Mike got out of that toxic environment and became a succesful anchor for CBS. He and Richard were the most likeable characters on the show.
I agree. Mike was my fave (after I realized Gary will never leave Selina) and I saw myself in him. I also work as a writer and had experience in broadcasting. He's also nice but sometimes rude and awkward and the butt of jokes.
The most honest.
I liked Kent and Sue, as well.
@@angelabolton4478 agreed (I also liked Ben)
Mike made so many mistakes 😂
Veep is a personal favorite of mine because it embodied the sheer decadence of our political system in a way that was funny and didn’t insult its viewers’ intelligence.
Watch the “thick of it” it’s the original BBC version (There’s even a movie from it with James Galdofini).....Every good American TV show was ripped off the Brits
gravilo pricip and done better
Wow, Veep last season insult viewers intellect in so many ways and so many times... Impossible to count!
@@rodrigomendes3327 You might have a point. What do you mean specifically though.
@@gavrilopricip11 I know this is years late but Veep was created by the creator of the Thick of It.
Veep is one of the smartest comedies of all time. I can't believe is so underrated when the humor is so sharp and witty.
They voted for Trump and/or Hillary..... you shouldn't be surprised that a witty comedy goes relatively unnoticed by the American masses.
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Veep wasn’t underrated. It was critically acclaimed and has legions of fans.
@@hindsightpov4218 and multiple emmys
As soon as you see VEEP was created by UK genius:Armando Iannucci......you know it will be magical.....and it was to the very end...
My gal Leslie Knope and Parks and Rec never won Emmys because people loved Veep so much.
Get out of here with the underrated argument
The fact that this woman starred in two of the largest American comedies in history is wild.
C Pretzel and the other one wasn't bad either
@@daniellemhall1358 the other one was shite...
Three, if you count her being a cast member on Saturday Night Live from 1982 to 1985. Yes, Eddie Murphy and Joe Piscopo were front and center, but she still had a lot of great moments.
VEEP=FANTASTIC
Seinfeld=Shite....
@Chooey Sooares It's
Gary was her soul. I never thought of it like that. Makes so much sense!
Then why didn't she pardon him?
Afroqueef , Because she sold her soul.
You know Selina's character arch is kind of like Daenerys Targaryen's done right.
From a Bicycle seat Well it's not a perfect analogy. I think my reasoning is they both end their series being far worse people than they were originally and in that respect ”Veep” is a better demonstration of a downward spiral. You're right though Dany started off as basically a good person and she fell much further.
Can't agree with the analogy at all. For starters the writing bears no comparison. There was no gradual descent, Dany was a good person till her sudden and jarring turn around in the final two episodes of the season. Everything you could charge her with was 100 percent also done by other good characters in the show. And secondly as they kept hammering home (terribly) was she was her madness, her fall was in no way dictated by her principles or personal character flaws...this was a genetic predisposition she (apparently) could not escape. They are not comparable as characters at all, except that they are women....
Lian McGuire Well that's sort of my point. If the writers of Game of Thrones Wanted Dany to become a villain they should have set it up properly. Veep did a better job showing Selina progressively becoming a worse person so her being a villain makes sense. Hence why I said Daenerys Targaryen’s character arch done right.
@@LFire12 Dany was a good person? She was a self righteous child that demanded she be on the throne that her father tried to burn to the ground. She was a crazed lunatic that would do anything to be on top. She talked about breaking the wheel but only after she was on top which didn't make her different. She refused all peaceful negotiations and when once again confronted with the truth that she was not the rightful heir, she wanted to keep it a secret because it was never about being justice but just finishing what her father had started. Don't be fooled by the freeing slaves making her a good person. I do agree with you though that Selina was never a good person either. She was a heartless politician through and through. But you are correct that Selina didn't have a story arc. She talked a lot about her legacy but was always in denial from episode one that it didn't matter what she did as long as she became president. She was never meant to be an empathetic character. Much like Julia's other two long running characters, Selina was just meant to be a hot mess through and through.
@sboudreaux27 Nixon actually was the one that ended the draft and then the conflict in Vietnam. He was the one that made sure civil rights laws were being followed in the south. He pushed more on women's equal rights in education including the signing of Title IX. He established the EPA. People that use him as a example of being a bad president are ones that no nothing more than he got impeached.
she gave him up but he still showed up at her funeral. man was hurt 😭
TK Wallace Gary.
With her lipstick from 24 years earlier..
@@Isleofskye He still loved her. ☹️
@@mariesabine2385 Yes, Marie, and she loved herself:)
I am a South East Londoner but watching glimpses of this year's; USA Election Campaign shows how accurate this series was.
Along with Curb Your Enthusiasm, my favoUrite 2 American comedies in my 70 years😀
The part that gets me is that Gary totally would have taken the blame willingly if she'd just asked him to do it. All the insults and bad decisions amounted to Selina Meyer becoming the villain.
Excellent point about Gary willingly taking the blame if asked
I think it’s sort of implied that he still did. He could’ve turned on her at trial to save himself, and god knows he has a lot of dirt that could totally derail Selina. But despite all that he still took it and went to prison
I never thought of Amy, Kent or Dan's ending as depressing. I truly think they just embodied who they were. Amy and Dan may have loved each other, even briefly, but they would have made a miserable couple and awful parents (Amy would not have enjoyed being a mother.) Kent has a child working in NASA and lives on a farm with his wife, away from politics and living simply - he won. It was only Gary who I really felt for. I do believe he and Selina were twisted soulmates in a sense.
I don't consider Amy or Dan or Kent to be very good people but I think the ending of Veep is pretty bitter when Selina effectively burns everyone who's worked for her in the past 7 years. She sticks Amy with Jonah, she makes Richard fire Dan, she pushes Jonah as veep which drives Kent away, she quickly moves on from Ben's heart attack, and she scapegoats Gary, and this isn't even mentioning the long estrangement from her family. Selina gets what she wants in the end but realizes what it cost pretty much everything. So i guess even if most of these characters aside from Selina are better for it in the long run, it's still kinda depressing when it happens
@@strangething7379 Oh, Selina sacrificing everything to become president gave her the lonely ending she deserved, absolutely, and it did impact the others. I suppose I meant that in their own endings, at least Kent, Dan, Amy and Richard got to move on after she gave them up for her own lust for power.
@@blueskybelyr Yeah Selina had the second worst ending of them all. Not only did she die alone & truly unhappy, clearly from the way she looked around sad in the Oval Office alone, but she will be remembered as a shitty president. Look how quickly they moved on from her death to the death of Tom Hanks. She’s nothing. The rest of her staff won. As soon as she fucked everyone over, they ended up leaving that toxic relationship with Selina & lived better lives because of it. Minus Gary who truly lost the most. Was in prison for years & is still loyal despite it all. Tony Hale described it as a dog returning to eat its vomit.
Was happy to see Richard Splett succeed in the end
I cheered...esp. over his wife.
And the Nobel/POTUS thing was pretty cool, too...
🤟🏾
Don’t forget it was the real Nobel Peace Prize and not the one made of hard plastic Selina got. I think it’s also to mean that when you do things with the best of intentions and just because it’s the right thing to do, it’ll be duly acknowledged. Selina only wanted to create a legacy; a LEGACY that was quite shit regardless and despite of the effort she put in.
take note Game of Thrones. THIS is how you end a series in a satisfying way.
Funny how both of them are HBO shows
Or MASH, it only ended in the early '80s. Hell they could have reshot, shot for shot the ending of MASH and it still would have been better than game of thrones original ending.
selina sacrificing gary is a sinister version of 'you have to sacrifice the thing you love the most to achieve your dream' and i'm here for it
great parallel to a supervillain's arc. now that i'm seeing it in these terms, the whole show seems darker. but it makes sense. after all, the most dangerous supervillains are the ones with no values and a thirst for more power
I agree with everything you said except the last line. IMHO the most dangerous villains have values and believe in their own self-righteous mission to do what is "necessary" for "the greater good"
That way they can excuse the most vile and vicious acts. Case in point Dany... or Thanos.
But the difference with those compared to Selena is that she’s really too stupid and surrounded by idiots to be anything more than a terrifying shadow once she disappears.
@@MoneyGist Or the Nazis, Khmer Rouge, Stalinists, etc...
Like Trump.
Selina Meyers wearing a behelit.
“And then I'm gonna have the IRS crawl so far up your husband's colon, he's gonna wish the only thing they find is more cancer."
Super duper trooper
Rewatching the show, it's pretty obvious that Gary is both a victim and an enabler of Selina's malignant narcissism. He's a tragic figure, but definitely not a good guy. The way he treats Catherine is very telling in that regard.
The scene where Selina is sitting all alone staring at the oval office and questioning all the choices she made that lead her to that chair is GOLD. It summarized Selina's whole journey. The legacy and position she so badly wanted and got... but what does it mean without anyone to support and cheer her. She lost her daughter, Gary, Amy, Kent and Mike. She's all alone
right! and when she went to talk to herself but realized that no one was there to hear her so she kind of just stopped. so powerful
Jeez, the end of season 6 was so optimistic.... then I was crushed with the final episode of season 7.... A real lesson learned
@sboudreaux27 I appreciate that little bit. I think the finale would have been waaaay to depressing without it but because they included it the show offers a little bit of hope that even when things are bad, there are still good people trying their best to improve things
As much as I love Gary, he’s just as bad as Salina because he was complicit in everything she did. In the end, everyone left her and he stayed blindly. Then 20 years later we find out he kept that lipstick. Its horrible. I was hoping that at some point he would see how she’s treating everyone thats been on her side and forgiven her all this time and decided to leave her at the podium before its done to him. That would have been a better ending for him.
I think love is blind. She had such a hold over him and he’d sacrifice his own morals for her in a heartbeat. He really did love her but no one should love anyone that much.
I think Kent did quite well after leaving politics. He had a daughter and he focused on his hobbies. No loss there. And if you want to learn the real meaning of sacrifice, read the manga "Berserk".
Yeah I was glad things worked out for Kent, he wasn't that bad. Also I'm a massive Berserk fan so it's a welcome surprise to see it getting a shout out in the comments.
@@Kagrynac Sad, it will most likely never be finished due to the passing of the creator. R.I.P.🙏🏾
Don't read Berserk way too many graphic depictions of female sexual assault in that to justify its story
@@MsBloo Berserk is continuing with the author’s old staff and best friend of 40 years taking over.
Berserk is just cringe hentai
Did you become president?
Yes
What did it cost?
Gary
Jonah becoming Veep was just perfect
“started from the bottom now we’re here” in Jonah’s voice
I haven't watched the show but now I have to. Julia Louis Dreyfus seems pretty great in this role
She's fantastic.
She was born to play this role. She's won an Emmy for every season of the show.
Lila Hesse you are worse than me I just have missed the final season and cheating and watching this. Her character is a horrible person but the show is funny as hell and Julia is especially hysterically funny.
Highly reccomended
Lila Hesse be warned that her character is a horrible person but hysterically funny. There is lots of venom amping all the characters on a regular basis and the language is harsh. It’s a great show tho
Watching this after finally finishing season 7 (just a year late) because I needed to make sense of what she did to Gary. I'm a grown ass man and him leaving the dubonnet on her casket left me sobbing. What a great finale.
I'm a 66 year old Englishman from London who knew VEEP was created by the genius that is Armando Iannucci and yet did not watch it until Series 4, by accident.
Then I could not stop watching until the end and, uncharacteristically, I shed a tear, as well..
I felt sad at the ending and the finality of that ending that there could be no more....
I finish it like 15 minutes ago and I'm heartbroken for how realistic it was. I didn't laugh once in the last 80 minutes of the show. I love how they made it dark and sad. I think mostly everyone got to be happ(ier) than Selina. And... At least making Richard president was subtle happy ending, he was good at heart and probably included Catherine in the right way. I now think I prefer my life as it is and screw dreams.
It hit me what the narrator said about Catherine.. "this beaten down woman can start living her life" and it's a shot of Catherine all old yet the most alive you've seen her resting in peace on Marjorie's shoulder while Selina's funeral plays out on the TV
This is phenomenal. I definitely viewed Richard Splett not only becoming president, but becoming a fabulous, beloved president, as a hopeful nod there at the end.
There's a greater focus on Selina getting what she deserves and giving up Gary was the final nail in the coffin. But maybe it also shows how everyone has to take responsibility for their actions,including Gary. He paid the price for forever enabling a monster.
I cried so much after the finale. I couldn’t believe she did that to Gary. The realization of all of her actions hit me in the face all at once. What a show!
I've been watching this show for seven years and just now it hit me how depressing and bleak it was. I love it!!!!
I binged the last 4 series in 3 weeks and it was SENSATIONAL !
I always thought Gary got what he deserved. Every time Selina said something terrible to someone, Gary was right behind her nodding in affirmation.
I remember how happy Gary was to dock Amy a day of pay for having an abortion, one that Amy specifically wanted her to have.
I loved it how many of the characters seemingly had favorable outcomes in their lives, while Selina was alone and ultimately had her funeral overshadowed by Tom Hanks.
Wow, I never thought of it that way
This video does a good job of portraying how important this show is.
So, she is like Daenerys but done and written correctly? At the end, Danny was also alone, everyone who loved her either died or betrayed her (except Grey Worm but he is basically her VP). She sacrificed an entire city to make sure she would be queen and will burn anything to make sure she has power. Whoever didn’t bend the knee to her would die. And when she died, politics moved on and the world didn’t crumble into pieces after all.
Edit: just realized they made the comparison in part 2 video
Never clicked this channel so fast. Like...NEVER. Love Veep!
ADANA i know!! The ending still kinda haunt me. Im glad somebody make a video about it
I still want to know what gary did for her on labor day lol
me too !
Wait for the movie...?
“Labor Day” is also a boat that they own so it could be with disposing a body or something
OMG!! Yessss!!
I think it was dispose of her Baby or the baby was in the garbage bag
I was looking for Veep on The Take after I rewatched the entire series because I couldn’t get enough. Glad to see this pop up!
I’m glad you’re giving mr Sack the attention he deserves
So sad about Gary. I cried a little bit 😭
I'm a 66 year old Englishman from London who knew VEEP was created by the genius that is Armando Iannucci and yet did not watch it until Series 4, by accident.
Then I could not stop watching until the end and, uncharacteristically, I shed a tear, as well..
I felt sad at the ending and the finality of that ending that there could be no more....
Yeah me too
This is such a great perspective, I don't usually watch long videos past the 3 minutes mark, but this was so intriguing and beautifully constructed that I was hooked till the very last minute.
Thank you for doing this.
I watched this show for the first time a few weeks ago and I was instantly hooked. It was a great series. Thank you for this video
Gary was the sacrifice she made, she sold her soul , if she had any left.
Mike is the example that if you are good and diligent, good things will happen to you. He finally got the role he deserved.
Richard is the perfect example of being righteous and great at your work raises you up.
Selina gained everything she wished for but also lost everything in the process.
Such A beautiful show.
I wish we got a glimpse of Minna at the end.
Don’t give up your Gary should be a hashtag or meme it works so well. Love it!
I felt so much empathy for Catherine during the entire series. How Selina couldn't love her own daughter was beyond my understanding. Catherine really was Selina's biggest victim. Selina paid no attention to Catherine ever .. so much that the audiences also stop paying attention to Catherine's entry and exit into the show. She becomes irreverent and unlikeble to the audiences in a similar fashion that she is to Selina. Its interesting how Selina missed/mentioned Catherine's name over the phone in the last scene.
Either way, they were a very interesting mother-daughter duo. Great writing there.
I can't believe they ended it on such a down note :'-(. The Gary storyline is heart breaking... He loved her so much and went to prison for it. That's insane.
She didn't even visit him.
@sboudreaux27 - freak? His character was quirky....nothing more nothing less....
Welcome to DC Politics 101.
I couldn't imagine why anyone would think this show would have left on a happy note. The characters spiraled downward from the first episode, it would've made no sense for any of them to have a redemption at the end.
Not all of her longtime employees were gone. Sue was still with her. But sue is efficient, not comforting. Also not loyal (worked for Montez).
Tyler Kochman such a cool surprise to see Sue in the finale after not being on the show for the last few seasons
I tend to think that was why Kent liked Sue so much: she was so hyper-focused and efficient at one job that it was almost mechanical. She's likely more loyal to her desk and computer than any actual person, and I remember them joking about her being in an old portrait, and it made me think of how she's basically the physical embodiment of an office fixture. Far as we can tell, all she does all day is keep people away from the V.P.
I also think it may have been why they didn't have Sue at the funeral, nor have any mention of what she's doing in the year 2040. I think we're just supposed to assume she's still manning the desk, and we're left to wonder like Kent if she's some kind of immortal being tethered to the White House for all eternity
@@revolveroshawott3582 this is poetic
Sue is the only employee of selina who treated her like a boss....and her job like a job...Thats why she didn't give a shit about selina or get involved in her crap
I absolutely loved this series from it's very first episode. The writing was scary-witty and funny.
what a modern masterpiece
enjoyed every moment
very well written and good acting
9.5/10
It's interesting how the only 2 names Selina mentioned in the last scene were that of Gary and Catherine.
The 2 people closest to her and she lost them forever...
Thanks you from the bottom of my heart! This take was amazing.
Who do you think you are; Gary Antoinette?
You can gain anything if you’re willing to lose everything
Can I get a chance to do that.
Just need to say, the guy who sneezed on Gary is a family friend. LOVE YA DAN!!!!!!!!
I just finished the last episode and Wow! I cried a tiny bit in a satire-comedy show? In retrospect, veep indeed felt dark and sad at the same time. Gary part hit hard though.
“Stupidity of total selfishness” in politics. We’ve seen plenty of that in recent memory
I just finished it. It just kept getting more tragic and tragic. I'm really happy the take covered it. I really need someone to make sense of this tragedy of a show. Gary and Amy broke my heart. Amy turning into basically Kellyanne Conway was just so hard to watch. And poor Gary ugh.
F^cking Gary😢! I loved Gary, I knew he was gonna get thrown under the bus for some reason yo. Veep is truly great yo. Thanks for the Veep videos yo!
why am I crying for gary.
Because he never grew up.
Amidst all the great writing and madness I feel like I've forgotten to appreciate Julia Louis-Dreyfus as much as I should. She's an incredible actor and she showcased all her talent as Selina Mayer. This scene at 5:38 in particular... Being her last scene as Selina and she did it perfectly. The moment of realization and her character coming full cirlce
Selina was a soulless monster from the first episode. She only fully embraced it at the end and didn't care for redemption any more.
It was the only laugh out loud show. Now, what can I watch?
the whole thing, all over again
actually though watch the film In The Loop and if you like that, then watch The Thick Of It. Made by the people behind Veep seasons 1-4, and Anna Chlumsky and Zach Woods are in ITL
@@looney1023 Your right!
THE THICK OF IT.
John Nash HBO has Barry and Silicon Valley, they’re pretty great.
I agree. So I watched Veep again.
I always wondered how long Gary was in prison for. I hope after he got out he was able to find a life for himself. I know the finale portrays him as a broken man but it's entirely possible he found some happiness after getting out of prison and was just somber because of that specific occasion and the reflection of what she did to him.
I’ve watched every season at least four times. And I cry each time I get to the finale and Gary is just watching over her casket w/ the lipstick.
Also I thought Selina had a funeral blacklist, guess they didn’t follow through on that.
She made the list but I think the joke is it was never labelled as a blacklist, and so the people who she didn't want to be there are all at the front row as presumably the list was assumed to be the guest list.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! And no less than a TWO part analysis 😍😍😍
One of my favorite shows of all time! Perfect ending to a perfect show.
Damn. That ending hit me. I just finished the show yesterday and the tragic undertones hit me😢 Like after all that, she gave up Gary. The ending was so fitting and yet felt so wrong. What a show👏🏾👏🏾
First Daenerys, then Selina Goes all "mad queen" all in one week!
One done very well and one done poorly
Selina had 7 years of build up, Dany had 2 episodes
Selina did it first....
It's also a different show. Look at how fast Splett rose. It's a half hour comedy show. Even though they still made it make sense since they can skip time how ever much they want.
The only problem with Dany burning King's Landing is that it's not economical. If I were one of her commanders I'd have said, "Great! Where they hell are we supposed to live now? You burned all the food, the shade, the rum?"
Lovely analysis, love the show. But I want to say that Gary was not her soul. He enabled her throughout the entire series, and Gary himself is quite vicious and cruel to other characters. He does love her unconditionally though, but I don't feel that he made Selina a better person. He was just this last person we thought she would betray. It would be like Dany killing Missandei. Gary was not Selina's Missandei. He was her dragon. If the show was about Gary, it would be a tragic cautionary tale, but he would have gotten exactly what he deserves. He was the minion.
For we pay a price for everything we get or take in this world; and although ambitions are well worth having, they are not to be cheaply won.
- Lucy Maud Montgomery
Just finished watching the seventh season. And Oh my God why am I crying watching this.
Me too and I am a 66-year-old Englishman !!!
Extraordinary Series. Sheer brilliance in Acting and Writing...
It made me sad that Selina wasn't at Catherine's wedding and Catherine wasn't at Selina's funeral.
How awesome I'm watching this video after i just finished with veep finale
I've just finished watching Veep, the ending was so sad. The scene with Gary at the end was awful to watch.
I am a 66-year-old Englishman and I shed a tear...
I still believed that Dan should’ve ended with Amy.
Alas Elias is was not to be.
By The Way is Elias an Alias ?
What happened to Gary kind of shook me. It was heart wrenching and brutal. And like killing a puppy. Selina did something at par with Voldemort, Sauron and Hannibal.
This was heartbreaking =(
I still love Selina tho, I can't hate my queen.
I love Gary too, this was game of thrones ending done right for sure
I hated them killing her off. I also don't believe she would have reversed gay marriages for Buddy. The writers ignored her being a great politician and placed her in an impossible situation in which her only out would be to sacrifice everything or at least promise to... And at the very least she would have never gone through with those promises once she got the presidency.
@@olavihekandjo2928 Exactly... specially if she didn't have a second term
This video left me feeling so sad... 😢😢
Haven't even seen Veep yet but dang! Great analysis, ladies.
Why does selenia becoming president remind me of a Anakin skywalker turning to the darkside
As the pile of Selina' evil deeds kept accumulating.. you'd assume she's gonna lose bad and finally get the horrible punishment she deserves. Instead, she ends up winning and losing everyone that ever loved and cared for her. Think of it, that's a better punishment coz it made her stop and question her life choices. If she'd lose, she'd never come to appreciate the people in her life, but only come to blame them even more. Only wining and losing them could do that to her.
never watched the show and now im just crying
I loved the ending! It was perfect and felt so complete as sad as it was ❤️
OMG this is so depressing and clarifying at the same time.
Kent throwing his badge in the trash was worth a thousand words. That man lost
I'm going to guess that the people who love Veep so much that they've seen it in its entirety don't need it explained.
Love the show..hated the ending where she gave up and set up gary..he was so loyal..
Vincent Padovano i hated it too but her action is quite justified. She went from wickedly funny to damn, that’s just wicked.
Right. I just left speechless when it happened.
u forgot she gave up the freedom of an entire country to be president?
Hated Gary for coming back with that damn lipstick... 💄
Heart goes out to Gary...and in the end she deserved to be alone 😭
Btw there is NO love between a narcissist and their enabler. Don't twist it any other way
kaiitre quit projecting
Oh yes he enabled her being a bad mother
I love veep thanks so much for this I though the ending was brilliant!! Please i know it’s an older show now but please do a Six feet under video there is so much to analyze about this beautiful show about life and death each character is so deep and complex and so many lessons to take away
Part about selling out to anything and leaving no legacy brought a certain Donald J Trump to my mind. Funny.
although the ending was very spot on i hated it because it was so hard to watch and sad. this was a comedy and had no business turning into such a serious and drama that it almost made be cry :(
Such a great show and the finale definitely culminated in what the entire series led to
Great job ! What a insight. Love the show and love this channel s2
One of THE best TV Shows, ever.
I still feel very perplexed about the ending of veep. I can’t help but feel it ended up taking itself way too seriously. It began with a bunch of dimensional and real characters that lived in genuinely funny situations to a Shakespearean tragedy. It was like a melodrama by the end and we lost touch with the sharpness of the writing and the acting from when veep was at its peak (season 3-5).
It was too self aware by the end and the characters were just caricaturist versions of what they once were.
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After Selina finally becomes President but fails miserably, the core story is over. Like most sitcoms, the show has to change direction at this point to avoid becoming repetitive. I think there are two ways of dealing with this. The first option is to just end the show once the core story is complete, like 'The Thick Of It' (the show from which Veep was adapted) did. Four seasons of political ups and downs, ending with the final departure of one or more central characters from politics. By this point most fresh comedic material arising from the original premise will have been used up effectively, without becoming tired. A short run, with consistently excellent satire.
Alternatively, the show can pivot to an adjusted tone or premise to 'unlock' new sources of comedy which are still fresh. This is what 'Veep' does: it becomes significantly less grounded after season 5, with greater stakes and increased focus on dramatic plot points. While this might not be the most elegant solution, I do think Veep pulls it of far better than most sitcoms: the later seasons, although a bit different, remain very funny, well written and still pretty close in feel to the rest of the show. If the producers want more seasons, this is as good they get.
The main source of difference this creates in Veep, in my view, is the gradual erosion of balance between misery and sympathy. In the earlier seasons, with almost exclusively British writers, all the main characters are constantly mocked, betrayed and disappointed; they are also, for the most party, equally unpleasant, disloyal and unreliable to others. Therefore, when one of them is miserable, it is poetic justice: mean characters get their comeuppance. In later seasons, however, this changes. As more American writers came onboard, most notably with the change of showrunner, character arcs become more important and give rise to increasingly complex emotional dynamics. This makes characters far more sympathetic, relatable and, consequently, tangible. Throwaway insults are no longer just punchlines: they cause genuine, lasting offence to characters, and elicit far more genuine sympathy from the viewer.
This is most keenly felt with Catherine, one of very few genuinely sympathetic characters in the early show. At first, Selina's narcissistic neglect is frustrating and disappointing but remains comedic, precisely because Catherine is generally able to ignore it. Her character is sort of 2.5 dimensional: she is a faintly tragic but stoic figure, whose emotional state is stable and only temporarily affected by any individual slight. This leaves room for comedy, as the viewer needn't worry too much about the consequences of Selina's dismissive remarks. In later seasons, however, this balance is lost: the impact of neglect on Catherine's mental health is made explicit, while the increased emotional stakes of her relationship and pregnancy make her mother's selfishness increasingly unforgivable even in the heightened context of the sitcom. By making Catherine's character too real, the audience no longer perceives Selina as merely selfish: instead, she is cruel. In a cynical comedy like Veep selfishness is often funny. But cruelty is not.
In short, by making characters more complex and sympathetic, it becomes far more difficult to make jokes about them without addressing emotional consequences. This means that instead of (very solid) characterisation being in service of comedy, the opposite occurs: comedy creates consequences, driving sincere character drama. In Veep this is generally done subtly and well, but it is a big change which does palpably alter the atmosphere in later seasons. I think this is why the betrayal of Gary is played so straight: the previous season or so, through the development of both Selina and Gary's characters, made the former gradually more cruel and the latter more sympathetic: by the time this process is resolved, the emotional wight involved become too great to be played for laughs, demanding a dramatic take. It also abandons the principle of comeuppance, since Gary did not deserve the betrayal, despite his many serious flaws. This plot point, by virtue of the very evolution in approach which served as its premise, demanded drama.
I've never seen a victory as sad as Selina's...
This was so well done. You answered so many questions I had, and also introduced me to things I didn’t know. (Margot was her BD)
The finale was sad but appropriate, Gary was one person she couldn’t give up, her soulmate, he ‘moon’
This... this was really good.
VEEP’s final episode was surprisingly dark IMO.
We’ve been watching a villain story arc all this time lol
@ it was obvious since the first season
I love that the tomb was in shape of... well, you know...