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The Mysterious Case That Was Overshadowed By John F Kennedy's Assassination!
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2020
- On the evening of November 21, 1963 a mother and daughter left their home in Warr Acres to go to the grocery store. They would never be seen or heard from again.
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Good to see an informative video narrated by someone who puts in time, effort and intelligence to do the background research well, knows how to structure sentences that make sense, speaks clearly, does not trash it with intrusive annoying junk music and actively and intelligently engages in discussion in response to comments.
I appreciate the positive feedback. This one took quite awhile but I had the help of several officers from different agencies and more things to sift thru than you could ever imagine. It's such a sad and tragic event and I felt their story should be told and not forgotten. Thank you for watching.
@LaurieWilliams5066: Agree! This is well done and presented.
I appreciate you watching and I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Sad, this woman crippled her daughter in one wreck and killed her in the second wreck.
Yes it is sad. So young and all out of her hands. Thank you for watching.
I was thinking the same thing. Sad
@Carolyn Silvers: Yes, terrible. I do have a "feeling" that Mrs. Elston may have been an alcoholic and that is what caused the crash. Aside from the liquor bottles found with the remains of Mrs. Elston, her daughter and the car, all I am going on is my intuition.
Yeah. I guess after the first try, she just wasn't finished.
I do agree with Missditabomb... alcohol bottles... empty... that doesn't happen in a soft crash like this one. No mention was made of alcohol habits at home. Also, the bottles being opened... they've found Greek amphorae with 2000 year old wine still in them... ditto some FABULOUS bottles of pre-philoxera (1850's) Rothschild wine, cognac, and other spirits still drinkable after more than 100 years on the bottom of the sea... and you're telling me a 30 year old bottle of Jim Beam couldn't make it?
Altogether a very sad story, no matter what the cause. Imagine living all those years not knowing... and being accused of the most heinous crime...
Seems Ben Hogan and Valerie kind of accident
She threw her to protect her child, then the child could not rescue herself and her mother
I was surfing RUclips and ran across this video. I had an OMG moment because Robert Gentry Elston was my stepfather's cousin. Mr. R G Elston's Uncle, Allan Vaughan Elston, was an author of many westerns. His Grandmother, Sarah Gentry, was the second woman to graduate from the University of Missouri with a BS in 1873 and an MS in 1876. Funny what you find on RUclips.
So were you already familiar with the story? That's a pretty interesting connection that you have thru family. Thanks for watching and sharing some more history on the family. I did not know any of it.
@@RhettyforHistory I never heard the story but then, I was just a kid when this all went down. My mother was married to Allan Vaughan Elston Jr. (son of Allan Vaughan Elston Sr., Robert Gentry Elston's brother) from about 1959 till they divorced around 1967 or so. I will have to forward this story to my sister (half sister) who is an Elston. Thanks so much for posting this story.
You're welcome. One thing I was interested in is finding where the remains for the mother and daughter were. I would love to know that if you are able to find out. I contacted what I thought was a new step daughter of his third wife but I never heard anything back from her after over a year of trying.
@@RhettyforHistory Unfortunately, the Elstons who would have knowledge of the burial sites are long gone. I did try to find information/records on Ancestry but couldn't find anything.
Someone in the comments mentioned that they were related in a round about way. Their stepfather was a cousin of Robert's. I'm hoping someone will come forward with some answers on whether or not they have a resting place in which I can visit. As I inquire about these things from different people I know they are skeptical on why I want to know. I can only imagine getting messages like that from a complete stranger.. My message is simple really. I want to share their stories and make sure they are not forgotten.
Remember this when you place blame, and know nothing.
Indeed! but my mom watches “cold case files” all the time and says “it’s always the spouse.” Ha ha!
Those shows are excellent in that sometimes they will go back and forth leading you one way and then back another.
believe the SCIENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's human nature to speculate, but the ones who accused him to his face, should be ashamed. I bet not one ever apologized.
Who is this to?
Simply outstanding visual accompaniment, using impressively sourced material, telling a fascinating story, at a perfect tempo, narrated with clarity. Instant sub. Thank you, sir. 👍😎👌
Thank you for subscribing and welcome to the channel. I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I had a lot of extra help on this one including many police officers who were involved and had knowledge. It's a sad but fascinating story.
@@RhettyforHistory --- Well done.
I'm glad the mystery of the ladies' disappearance was finally solved, and relieved to know there was no foul play involved.
Mr. Elston sounds like he was a good person, forthright and honest.
Rest in Peace, Elstons.
Thank you for watching!
There is more to this story...
Thank you, Rhetty, for covering this story and bringing it to the public in a very respectful and professional manner. You may have helped my family (The Elston family) in ways beyond the mere scope of this video. For that, I’m eternally grateful.
You're welcome. It's quite a sad and tragic story for sure.
Wow, mother /daughter left in 1963 Cadillac not found till 1990 in drainage pond. The husband must have gone thru hell with the Police.
Not just the police but also the community. Even after he's gone people think he did it for money. But he had more than enough without her. New Cadillac and jewelry was lost. He never collected life insurance money as he never tried to even declare her dead until 7 years after she had disappeared. Thank you for watching Alan!
Not the police nor the people who knew him, it was people who didn't even know him who treated him badly.
You're right about that Gloria. He cooperated completely with several several law enforcement agencies.
@@RhettyforHistory And from what I've discovered, he never lawyered up either.
That says alot.
Where I live here in Ohio a kid had gone missing for about a decade and the missing persons mother had long given up hope of finding them but was talking to a psychic and the psychic told her that she should look in bodies of water close to them, within a couple days him and his car were found in a man made pond in front of a neighborhood directly off the side of the road I had stood by that pond and smoked joints with my buddies it’s really weird knowing dude was just down there all that time
Fascinating, I really enjoyed learning about this case. Well, maybe enjoyed isn't right but I would like to see more of these.
I'll see what I can uncover and tell. I know there is a lot out there. I found this one fascinating with the timing of Kennedy's death. Thank hou for watching!
the old guy got his wife drunk and made her drive. he was tired of her and having a disabled daughter
@@EternalResonance i think the same.
I was living in OKC at the time they found this car. It was a huge shock to all. Right there by the side of a busy road all that time!
Who knew. But at least Mr. Elston had some closure.
@@RhettyforHistory
I hope people apologized to him.
Maybe some did but so many continued blaming him. Some still do even though he's gone.
Ugly roach...And so strange that the road as you say was a very busy one yet nobody witnessed the accident.
At the time of her disappearance it wasn't quite so busy. When they created the Hefner extension it got super busy. When they rerouted all that then there was virtually no one going past the pond. At least not in cars. It was all foot traffic.
It amazes me how people confess to murders they never committed. Fantastic story, thanks Rhetty.
I thought that as well, made me think of the Henry Lee Lucas case. Our minds get some wires crossed and the possibilities are endless. :)
I think some of those are criminals that are really mentally ill and I also think it may delay proceedings in their own case. But I agree it is strange.
RhettyforFun by the way, on t.v. Last in " the American west " there's a shot of a train robbery by Billy the kid, and in it I see a guy holding a lantern that looked exactly like the one I sent you with red glass and all. Could it be that's why it's red and not clear?
The red glass may have several usages and meanings. I'm sure they used these on ships of yesteryear but these have a long history with the railroad. I'm not sure if you have ever heard of the term "red-light district" or not. Those are considered bad areas now. Areas where there are drugs, prostitution or other illegal activities. But really from what I understand that came from the railroad men going off and finding a partner for the night or what have you. They would hang the red lamps outside of the doors of the rooms or places they were in. So you may see a bunch of lights in a little town.
He was fully co-operative. He had a clear conscience. Sad story. 💔
It is a sad story. He was very much interested in finding out the truth and having closure. It was something that affected him for the rest of his life. Thank you for watching.
This poor guy lost his wife and daughter without a clue to what happened to them. That's bad enough, and then to have others actually accuse him in public of their disappearance. Wow, I couldn't imagine. This was back when a person's reputation was very important in a community.
@Veronica Martin: Not to be finicky, but it is important. The word is "conscience". God bless.
@@Missditabomb it's fixed. New phone but hey, thanks tips!
A very sad story. I can't imagine having to live with the knowledge that people held you responsible for something as horrible as this especially when you were innocent.
It would be rough to have that happen. Mr. Elston went to his grave being treated that way and even still some people blame him. Sometimes we want someone responsible when it's really just an accident. Thank you for watching Ramona.
I was friends with the wrecker service operator who recovered this car from the lake. He invited me over to take a look. One of the notable things was that the police investigators had broken the lenses of the speedometer and clock in the car to check the mileage and approximate time the car went into the lake.. Although the car itself looked like the dickens, the speedometer face and the clock apparently held air that kept the water our and they still looked like new. As mentioned the car had fishing line, and hundreds of lures and hooks that had snagged on every possible part of the car.
It really would have been something to see in that state. You were certainly lucky to have that opportunity. Thanks for sharing a little more information about the car. Someone else mentioned that they demolished the car after it was all over.
This situation is unusual but not unique. I've about a couple of other disappearances that were solved years later when a car containing a body was puled from a lake, including one a few years ago in Western Canada. I've heard that most car accident fatalities happen within a few miles of the victim's home. This looks like one of them. ... jkulik919@gmail.com
From the video, the vehicle seemed to be some distance out into the pond which perhaps suggests it entered water at some speed.
Just a damn shame the authorities didn't dot their i's and dredge the pond as well at the time.
@@RhettyforHistory It wouldn't have been salvageable after all of those years underwater. Of course there's guys who could have completely restored it to brand new condition, even getting the engine running again, but at great cost vs actual value.
@@TankUni They probably would have, had there been evidence of an accident, like skid marks on the road.
With the amount of valuable jewellery the women were wearing, they were probably focused on an abduction/ car jacking scenario, more than a car driven into a body of water.
I remember this story and was glad that they found the car with the ladies still in it.
I'm sure that was a big relief for Mr. Elston. If they had not found remains then they may have speculated something else happened to them. Thank you for watching!
Dateline should pattern itself after this channel and shorten it's who-done-it shows. Great video.
Thank you for watching! I appreciate the feedback.
Yeh Dateline drags out 12 minutes of information for 45 minutes and then there’s the commercials.
@@bestboy138 True that, and they keep repeating over and over to fill the time slot.
It's obvious that the wife was a bad driver as evidenced by her daughter's paralysis from a previous car accident and that she felt uncomfortable driving at night. They should have stayed home. She missed a curve, the car went into the pond, they could not escape, and then they died ... all because she was a bad driver that had no business being out on the road that night. Very sad.
It is sad and I believe you are correct on all that.
Yep 😔
paralyzed the poor girl and eventually killed her. Now that's a bad driver. She might have been a closet drunk. Those bottles are a tell-tale sign.
I believe you could be right on that. How sad is it if that was the only errand. Who knows though.
I think you are right Gary. I hate to see a loss of life, but that's how it goes sometimes.
I’m related to Stan Laurel from Laurel and Hardy never been to the USA I love your country! Want to visit Stans grave in Forrest lawn cemetery in LA.
Since he is a relative I hope you can make that happen some time. What a cool relation you have!
I've visited that Forest Lawn back in 1982, and saw Stan Laurel's gravestone. It kind of stands out where it is.
I suspect that if you ever make it to the United States you will find its people better than their government.
Cool ❤️
What a random thread... did I miss something?
This was awesome Rhett good job. Sad that they were so close for 27 years and that the father was looked down on suspiciously for all that time.
It is sad. I feel bad for him getting treated like that. Thank you for watching!
I went to that duck pond often as a kid, and I remember when they found the car.
That would have been something knowing you were there before it was found. Thank you for watching and sharing your experience.
Is that the one where Wilshire dead ends at the expressway? I hung out there all the time.
There are many around the lake but this is on the SE side of the lake.
Did u mysteriously loose a fishing lure there?
When I heard they went missing after going out driving at night, the first thing I thought of was to go look in all the lakes, ponds, and borrow pits anywhere near a road or former location of a road. Even when it was said that they had dragged some of the lakes, my thought was they all needed to be done again and keep expanding outwards until they find them. Foul play should never be ruled out, but neither should accidents. There was a case a few years back where two cars with multiple remains in each were found right next to each other. Had they found the first car when it went missing, they could have erected a barrier and the people in the second car never would have died.
You're right about that. I believe the incident you are referring to happened at Foss Lake in Oklahoma. Two different cars 20 years apart. It really is startling to see how many people disappear that way. Thank you for watching!
I recall the story of the two cars found near each other in the lake. I think the first car was driven by an elderly man while the second was 69 Camaro occupied by two or three young people. This story took place at a boat launch ramp. I highly doubt if the elderly man were found shortly after his demise, that a barrier would have been erected stopping the second accident.
It's like that scene from idiocracy with the car plunging off the broken bridge onto a giant pile of wrecked cars!
Look at the case in Florida where this guy had moved into a brand new housing development and somehow he was backing out of his driveway and drove into a collection pound and drowned , he was missing for years until someone flying a drone spotted a white object a few feet from the edge of the pound , same story as this one where they searched all over the state , tried to blame innocent people over the years and the whole time he was less then 50 feet away from his drive way.....
I did not know about the incident with the drone but I do remember one with google satellite and being able to find a submerged car.
@@RhettyforHistory this was recent maybe this year one of the neighborhood kids was out flying his drone looking for a good fishing spot and then he saw the outline of something large in the shape of a rectangle that was submerged but clear as day from 300 foot in the air . I don’t know how that drone footage made it to the police but the whole drone flight recording plus the local news report was on RUclips.
That's very interesting. Who knew something like that would help.
I don’t ever remember hearing of this before simply because JFK was killed that same weekend. What a sad but fascinating story. Glad it was finally resolved.
I'm sure it was a big relief for Mr. Elston but also painful at the same time. Thank you for watching!
Well, it wasn't exactly national news let alone news in the surrounding states as people disappear every day in the U.S. Meanwhile Texas, where JFK was killed, was a contiguous state to Oklahoma.
Congratulations on a great little documentary on this tragic incident. My first thought when you mentioned no evidence of a car going in is that there probably wouldn’t be any traces after 27 years of changing foliage. Good work.
Very true but at the time it happened they searched all the lakes in OKC as well as the shore of these little ponds and saw no evidence of a vehicle straying off. The only place they did see something like that they retrieved a car but it wasn't the Elstons. This same little duck pond they did see some little areas where an animal had dug so they dug it up thinking maybe someone buried a body. But that was it around this pond. Thank you for watching Jeff!
Quite a story. Glad that they were finally found after so many years.
Yes I'm sure glad Mr. Elston was able to have some closure. Thank you for watching!
@@RhettyforHistory your welcome Rhetty always enjoy your videos.
I'm glad to hear you enjoy the videos.
Thanks for this interesting story. This seems to be fairly common in rural areas. Some time back I read of the disappearance of a couple, with all kinds of theories and accusations surfacing (no pun intended). YEARS later, a farmer drained one of his ponds and they discovered the missing couple in a jeep station wagon. The authorities figured the guy thought, since he had a jeep, he could short-cut across some farmer's field - and paid the penalty.
You're right it is fairly common and even in city areas. That has to be a weird situation to find something like that in your pond. Thank you for watching!
That's a sad story. And maybe a joke about such foolishness may seem in bad taste, but this really points out how stupid some drivers can be:
This city slicker was driving in the country, when he spotted this creek. He was looking for a shortcut, as the long, winding country road was tedious for him. He stopped and studied the creek. Finally, he decided to drive through it, and he immediately sank to the bottom in ten feet of water.
An old farmer witnessed this, and rescued him. Once he got this guy back on solid ground, the farmer asked him, "WHAT were you thinking?"
The bewildered driver replied, "I don't understand it. The water only came up to the middle of the ducks!"
City boy, indeed!
Hey Rhett, very good research on this story. Sometimes we in law enforcement make human mistakes and things go unnoticed for sometime.
Then a very lucky break comes along and helps solve the case.
Thank you for sharing this my friend.
I think most people want to blame the police for not getting it but really it's not easy. There were a lot of places that these two could have ended up. That's why the public is very important in cases like this. I wonder if there had been mud stirred up or bubbles at the time and if the public had been informed then maybe they would have said something. Who knows what was missed because of it being overshadowed. Thank you for watching.
Great story again. Most people live rather mundane lives. It is stories like this, and the way you research them that brings them to life.
Safe travels.
Thank you Curtis. This family really had a nice life. They were quite well to do but tragedies can happen to anyone at any time. I appreciate you watching!
Quite a story, striking details and well told, thank you.
You're welcome and I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thank you for watching!
Foss Lake In western Oklahoma eventually coughed up not one but two cars of missing people. At night it was very dark and i can see how a vehicle could drive into the water.
You're right about that. Two cars and something like 20 years apart. That made big news as well when they found those two cars.
They went missing before I was born, but I do remember when they found the car. Sad situation but it was nice that it was finally solved and the husband finally knew what happened to his wife and stepdaughter. I can't imagine what it is like to have a loved one go missing and never knowing what happened to them.
It really had to be devastating to him. Then on top of that people were blaming him for the disappearance and murders. I am glad he was finally able to get some closure. Thank you so much for watching Robyn!
I grew up in Oklahoma hearing about this case. I remember when the car was found.
That was quite a news story when it was found. Thank you for watching!
Interesting and well told story. This one reminds me of the William Moldt story in Florida. Guy leaves a bar in 1997, calls his girlfriend and tells her he’s on his way home. He never shows up and no one can find him after an extensive search so the case goes cold. 22 years later someone is looking on Google Earth and they see the top of a white car in a retention pond. They pull the car out and there he is, still behind the wheel. Simply drove off the road and somehow ended up in the pond. It seems to happen fairly often, some of them turn out to be suicides.
That one made the news big time when they found him simply because someone found him using Google maps. Aftertaste everyone was combing the lakes looking for missing people. I never heard if anyone else was found that way. Thank you for watching!
@@RhettyforHistory Advetures with Purpose are divers who go all around the country and help find a lot of cars and missing people in bodies of water. They find guns and other stuff too, great RUclips channel. Dallmyd is another good one. Amazing what’s under the water sometimes!
Yes it is. I have seen Dallmyd but not the other. I'll have to look them up.
@@RhettyforHistory be sure and check out Adventures with Purpose if you haven't yet. They are getting ready to go on another trip to look for more cars and missing people.
I'm an avid watcher of that channel. Someone told me about it after I put out this video.
The fact that Marjorie Elston didn't like to drive at night speaks volumes.
Yes it does. Thank you for watching!
May be suffered from nyctalopia, bad sight at night. Typical you can’t see the sides of the road very well.
You could be right on that. I'm not sure people recognized things like that so much then. And no matter what she may have denied that being a problem.
JFK, C.S. Lewis and Aldous Huxley all died on the same day.
Thank you for sharing that fact. I had no idea about the other two passing on the same day. They certainly got over looked for their passing.
Def some code in that
@@janisgaines5330 a bad day for visionaries
Curious
@@janisgaines5330 only for the red pills
Sad story. And to have to wait so long for answers. Thanks for the video, Rhetty. Good job!
Thank you for watching and you're right about it being sad.
My father was an OKC police officer and was one of numerous officers looking for them. Lake Hefner and the side ponds have been changed because of Hefner Interstate. They were driving on a side road..I believe NW Grand...which at that time was a street that went around the entire OKC area...why it's named that..it was a "Grand" Ave... which led into Nichols Hills. The mother drove into a duck pond...meaning no brake marks on the road and I think my dad said it had been raining. So the rain kind of dissolved the ruts into the duck pond and may have helped in the accident.
My dad was AMAZED they found them!!!
Yes some of the ponds, roads and terrain have all changed. I tried to find an aerial photo of what it looked like before but could not find one. I'm sure there is one out there somewhere though. Thank you for watching and it's fascinating that your father was involved as well in the investigation.
Just about everything was shoved aside that week in November. Even the truth.
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Especially the truth
It's going to be revealed soon. Trust the plan
@@alg3rn0n73 Not likely, now that the ones who did it are in full control of the entire government...
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@@captainjohn7833
We gotta believe friend. Stay strong
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Hey that was an intriguing story. I can appreciate the amount of research you did, well done. It’s too bad they blamed Mr. Elston all those years, he seemed like a class act.
Thank you so much for watching and I'm glad you enjoyed the video. He has certainly been blamed for a long time and even today there are people who still blame him.
What a sad story, I hope the mother and daughter didn't suffer, I hope the Lord took them before they had to suffer and as far as the husband/ father it seems he suffered for 27 year's afterwards, sometimes I wonder why these kinds of things have to happen to us, sometimes it seems like us human beings have to endure so much in this world but I know God has his purpose for everything.
You're right about that. It is unimaginable to think of some of the things that people have had to endure during their life. Mr. Elston lived with this event until he passed. The people who didn't know him personally still blamed him and many still do today. He tried everything he could to find them. Thank you for watching!
Fate is a strange thing. Both survived a car wreck then both were killed in one ...
Yes it is. Such a sad thing for both of them to go thru rather it was of the fault of the mother or not.
Why would you go out to do errands while wearing $4000 in jewelry?
They were a pretty well off family and she was actually going to visit a friend in Nichols Hills which is the equivalent of Beverly Hills. In 1963 for their stature that wasn't uncommon.
@@RhettyforHistory thanks for the info! Just found your channel tonight & I'm enjoying your content!
You're welcome and welcome to the channel! I appreciate you watching!
And mind you, 4000 dollars in 1963 is equivalent of about 35 000 dollars today's money..
Yes it is. Like I said they were well off. That doesn't include the fur coat, clothes and new Cadillac.
Thanks for telling this story ... and for all you do to tell us about Oklahoma. Merry Christmas Rhetty!
You're welcome and thank you for watching! Merry Christmas to you!
Thanks for the video! I lived in Oklahoma City in 1990, but I don't remember people talking about the case. I'm a little surprised that there was never a drought that lowered the water level enough for the car to be visible.
The reason why that might be is the fact that Lake Hefner is a drinking Reservoir. So when it starts to get low they release water from Canton Lake. That water will then overflow into these overflow ponds. The ponds don't exactly empty go low quite as much since no one is really using them as drinking water. That would be my best guess. It is an odd thing but what you are saying does make sense. Thank you for watching.
Wow Rhett, thanks for the history of this story. I was 1½ years old, so I didn't know anything about this story, but it is part of Oklahoma history and happy that you took the time to do this video and share more of Oklahoma history!
Happy Thanksgiving to your family and yourself! Chat with you later, my friend!
It's a sad story. Certainly got missed by most people because of Kennedy. It would have helped to have had the extra eyeballs at the time. Thank you for watching and I hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving as well!
Rhetty, very well done! I wonder how many other cars could be found in farm ponds in Oklahoma? I recall about 2 years ago when they found 2 of them side-by-side from 2 different missing cases about 20 years apart. Thank-you for such a well done story, sir! I enjoyed it immensely.
You're right about that. That was in Western Oklahoma and the name of the lake escapes me. They were rerouting the bridge or highway or something. I bet there would be a lot of hidden mysteries in lakes, rivers and ponds. Thank you for watching William!
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I think it was on Lake Eufaula.
I had to look it up because it has been awhile. I knew it was out west and was thinking Foss but wasn't sure.
www.thesun.co.uk/news/1021379/the-mystery-of-six-bodies-found-in-two-cars-after-42yrs-in-lake/
Mr Elston sounded like a class act. Sadly, so many murders of spouses end up being the other spouse that's responsible. While it maybe true in most cases, it's good to know its NOT all cases. I'm glad he was still alive to see himself vindicated.
I know people still blamed him and even still do to this day but I know he was also relieved to get some closure. Thank you for watching Evie.
Poor guy was suffering and people without one stitch of evidence start blaming him. People should hold their tongues.
So interesting! I can't imagine not knowing what happened during all those years.
That had to be incredibly difficult. I think Mr. Elston was affected by it until his passing many years later. Thank you for watching!
Great information video my friend. So glad the remains were found and laid to rest properly.
Yes I'm glad they were found as well. I'm not sure where they remains are currently. I spent a year trying to reach out to Mr. Elston's step daughter but I never got a response. Thank you for watching!
So enjoy your labor of truth and answers. Thanks, these Ladies deserve to have their story told and finalized. I always enjoy your posts. an interesting and worthwhile story told in an informative and respectful manner. As usual for you...
Thank you so much for the kind words as well as always watching and commenting! I'm glad that Mr. Elston was able to get some closure.
John Kennedy’s brother Ted was involved in a similar accident in 1969. He drove off a bridge into a lake and he escaped but his female passenger drowned. Strange coincidence.
That was and has always been quite the story!
Ted Kenndys. .Deal was the same week of the Moon Landing.Drinking over Bobby not being in the White House ?
Even though I couldn't stand Ted Kennedy, I believe it was just an accident, because he was drunk as usual.
I have no doubt that he tried to get her out, but being drunk and probably in a panicked state, self preservation took over.
The cover up was the part that's unforgivable.
I saw a documentary that insinuated that he wasn't the driver.
I’ve seen a few of these kinda videos of people who are for many years lost and then by a miracle are found in their car at the bottom of a lake. Sad story but they can have closure! Great video!
You're right it is closure at least. I can't remember how many years ago it was but they found two cars in western Oklahoma from the 70's when they were redoing the bridge or highway. You're right about it happening more than people realize. Thank you for watching!
Well done video. I'll look forward to seeing more of your work!
Thank you for watching Don and I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@@RhettyforHistory I've been in film and video production for over 40 years, and the production values you put into your work is what we all strive for. Thanks again!
Well thank you for the kind words. I'm certainly no profession. I just enjoy sharing stories of those from days past.
This happens often in Florida when residents and tourists make wrong turns and end up driving into retention ponds.
Is it a pretty frequent occurrence?
@@RhettyforHistory Yes. Many people have vanished without a trace then one day they are accidently found. No one is going to search a lake or pond especially if no one saw the vehicle go in. So they remain hidden until they are found.
You're right about that. Too costly to do so for one thing.
Sinking cars are terrifying. Only 30 seconds to escape. Most people dont know what to do
You're right thats not much time. And this was an age when people didn't wear seat belts so they were probably in pain and disoriented too. Thanks for watching and sharing that information as well.
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People have done experiments. What you have to do is get the Windows down and get out before the cabin fills. At that point, buoyancy is gone and the weight of the car accelerating downward will pin you to the roof. No way to escape until the car hits the bottom but by that time you've panicked and drowned.
The daughter's right side paralysis would have made it impossible to roll the window down as a passenger.
A lot of people waste time trying to figure out what to do. Rolling windows down as you approach the water is the extra 2 seconds that will save your life if you see it coming and know you have to grab kids in the back seat. Throw them out the window and risk drowning outside the car because INSIDE is a death trap.
Ive been scared of car in the water since BeetleJuice movie.
I would bet since it was at night neither had any idea what was coming. No seat belts would have been used and it would have had power windows. I'm sure those shorted out right away back then.
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Very likely. We've learned a lot about safety and emergency plans from these stories.
That's a good thing and I'm glad we did.
Another perfect presentation - you put so much time into your videos and edits, Rhetty. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. xx
I definitely put a lot of work into this one. I spoke to multiple police officers who had been involved in the whole process and I showed some of the things that they had shared with me. They had given me a lot so I couldn't use it all. All of it took more than a year to get everything together and then go film. I really feel like this is one of the best videos I have done. Part of that is because I know how much work it all took to make happen.
Wow!!! Amazing story. As usual, a great job Rhett!!! Thanks...Peace!!!
Bill
I'm glad you enjoyed it and I appreciate you watching!
Interesting story, and yes, it is a sad one for the husband and loved ones that had to suffer the pain of what happened during that time period.. I'm glad that the car was finally found and the truth came to light.
Yes it had to be some sort of relief for family and friends. What a sad and tragic event. Thank you for watching.
Quite a story. Thanks, Rhettyforfun.
You're welcome and thank you for watching!
Brings back some memories of Warr Acres. I just love your Oklahoma history videos.
Thank you for watching Lynne! I'm glad you enjoy the videos!
We had a situation where 4 teenagers were at a party and left in a Jeep truck. No one saw them alive or the vehicle again. It was like they dropped off the face of the earth. There were reports of the 4 being seen in the truck in California and New Mexico. 12 years later, a farmer was emptying a sewage lagoon for a hog facility at the end of a private road about 15 miles from where the party had been held. The truck was upside down in the center of the lagoon. It was estimated that the truck had to have been going over 65 mph when it hit the embankment surrounding the pond and was sent airborne. Why they were driving this fast on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere has never been determined. The lagoon was 12 feet deep filled with hog manure.
What a horrible way to go. Seeing as they had been partying and then went airborne and upside down I can certainly see how it would be disorienting. Thank you for watching and sharing that story.
I would NOT want to die in sewage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was 2 minutes into the video when I knew that they went into the water. I then started to read the comments and realized I was right on. I have watched so many crime videos that I have come to the conclusion when multiple people go missing, in the dark, in a car, look in the water.
Most certainly a great place to look. And in Oklahoma we have a lot of lakes, ponds and streams to look through. Thank you for watching.
It is not unusual for the evidence to be underfoot and still be missed. A case similar to this occurred in Wrightsville Beach NC in the 40s. The mother and young daughter left to run an errand at a nearby store. They never returned. It has never been solved. It was featured on TV years ago. The husband was assumed guilty by many I guess until he died. There was never any evidence that he was connected . He later remarried. Their last name was Bryant , but I have forgotten their first names. I was very young at the time . The family were friends with my parents so it was talked about a lot when I was growing up.
That is very interesting because of the striking similarity. Goes to show you anything can happen and it's always good to seek the facts and not assume. Thank you for watching and sharing that story. If you happen to think of the other names please let me know.
Surprised no one blamed Oswald for this too!
Great story , a great story teller plus a good Researcher equals perfect 👍 thanks for a good sharing!
Thank you so much for watching!
Wow what an interesting story! Very sad way to go but I'm glad that they are now at peace being laid to rest together, mother and daughter. Thanks again Rhetty for the wonderful stories that you bring us we enjoy them immensely!
I'm glad you enjoy them and I appreciate you watching. I wasn't quite sure where they mother and daughter's remains are now. I tried to reach out to Mr. Elston's step daughter but never could get a response despite trying numerous times.
Interesting and eery story. Human error on the part of police left them missing all those years and human error found them while widening the road. Think about all the fishermen who snagged onto the car through the years not knowing what was down there. Everyone grieves differently but I don’t think I could have my daughter and wife especially, declared dead so quickly so I could remarry.
He waited 7 years before he declared his wife and step daughter dead. Really that is quite awhile. He never got any life insurance money. The inheritance was really not a big thing for him because of his work in the oil and energy. It's just a simple accident that became an unfortunate event during a time of struggle for the nation. But it would be eerie if you knew you had snagged some lines there. I can think of several spots thru the years where I have snagged a lot. Thank you for watching!
@@RhettyforHistory Thanks Rhetty my mistake. I should of double checked. I thought it was 2 years not 7.
The poor stepdaughter and cars didn’t go well together, sad story, very tragic.
It is sad. The story behind that is that the mother was driving and intoxicated in Tulsa, Oklahoma when the accident happened leaving the stepdaughter half paralyzed. This was long before Mr. and Mrs. Elston were married. Thank you for watching.
@@RhettyforHistory She was probably drunk on the night they went into the lake too.
That is highly plausible.
Hi Rhett 🙋🏽.I remember this. But they were eventually found Year's later in the 🌊💦. This was very sad.thanks again for sharing this with me ‼️ have a awesome day ‼️😊
Yes they were and it is sad. It's certainly a terrible story for all who were involved. Thank you for watching Carole.
@@RhettyforHistory As Always, You are welcome Rhett 🙋🏽👍🏽.
I found this case very interesting and yet horrific, as well. Even though the car was found years later in the duck pond, it still doesn't exonerate the husband completely. There's the large monetary inheritance of this man's wife /stepdaughter, and it could have been marital instability that was hidden, financial problems with his business, who really knows. Great investigation of this case Rhett. Take care 🐎
Absolutely zero monetary problems with Mr. Elston. He was well to do from his work in the oil and energy business. He stayed that way. The inheritance over money made no difference. He didn't need it plus he had access to it prior. As far as life insurance that became null and void. He never had her declared dead until about 7 years after the disappearance. It just an unfortunate accident. A lot of money was tied up in that car and if it was deliberate for money then I can't see it being thrown away like that. The sad thing is in talking to a police officer who was involved, Mr. Elston went to his grave with people blaming him. What it does point to is intoxication with the alcohol bottles. Her wreck in Tulsa which left her daughter paralyzed was because she was intoxicated. No matter how you slice the story it's sad and tragic though. I had several officers help me out in this video including a higher up from 1990. Thank you for watching.
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Thank you for the "backstory" of this horrific case, I had no idea that this woman had a drinking problem. It's unfortunate that she chose to drink and drive and put her daughter's life in jeopardy, as well, as her own Take care 🐎
The context warning is out of context. :D
There may be dozens if not 100+ cases similar to this waiting for possible discovery.
Amazing how our minds react to mystery, we immediately suspect foul play.
This also has a huge lesson wrapped into it, never assume even if it seems reasonable.
If only they had searched that pond.......
Great video.
Definitely brings to mind the old saying of leave no stone unturned. Water levels can rise or even wash out some of the pond and cars can sink in the mushy bottom. I've always been curious as to what would turn up if we drained our city lakes here. I know they found another car when looking for the Elstons. No telling how many could be in there. Thank you for watching! Oh and you are right on the context being there. I have no choice in that being there. Wish they would research that more before placing it.
@@RhettyforHistory Agreed. With all of the technology at our fingertips, one would think that a method of detection could be easily utilized, by a simple helicopter flyover, to discover large sections of metal, no matter the degradation or reasonable depth. If there is such a device I haven't heard of it, but it would be a godsend for widespread searches. Take care.
Never heard of this story..great job.
Thank you for watching!
Wow - great work on that show! Thanks
You're welcome and thank you for watching!
My Grandparents lived directly across Grand Blvd from this park and pond from the 1950's until the late 80’s. It was a short walk over and we went to the park and the duck pond often when I was a kid, never suspecting those poor women were there. RIP.
In the 70s when I was in high school I played baseball just to the south of where that pond is. I used to think of what a great fishing spot that must be.
When that car was found in the 90s I was horrified!
I could certainly understand the feeling or horror. Has to be a weird feeling if you visited in that time frame. Thank you for watching.
A word was used that I was not familiar with when he spoke of the third wife's grave. It sounded like synetaf but searching for it spelled in variations of that I came up empty. I had to "ask a librarian" online who gave me the word "cenotaph" meaning literally an empty grave. IMHO. In the context of the sentence I thought the meaning would relate to the name on the headstone being different than the actual name, but I was incorrect. I would also like to echo at least one other commenter that there is a RUclips channel called "Adventures With A Purpose" where some of their videos involve searching for people who are missing and might have ended up like these 2 people, in a car in a body of water. I think they started out just trying to find and pull cars out of the water, mostly stolen, then they started getting specific requests. They are recreational divers, they have had some successes, videos can be pretty good but a little drawn out, imho.
Thanks for sharing your work of finding the word cenotaph. I was going to look it up myself but thankfully I read your comment first so was spared the effort.
London has The Cenotaph, which is a war memorial.
@@THE-HammerMan And yours was absolutely not needed.
I should have given more of a definition of cenotaph so others would know. I am primarily a cemetery and grave channel so it is something I run across fairly often. Thank you for watching.
Sad story yet full of history great peace of history shared Thankyou for sharing
You're welcome and thank you so much for watching. You're right about it being sad.
Really good video, clear information and narrated well, you deserve more subs.
I guess after saying that I'd better subscribe. lol
God Bless
Thank you for watching and I'm glad you enjoyed it! Welcome to the channel!
Poor man lives all those years not knowing what happened to his wife and daughter and on top of that most people probably thought he had something to do with their disappearance.
Though u are dead
Well, at least he lived long enough to be vindicated.
I hope all of the people who accused him , lived long enough to know how thoughtless and stupid they were, to spout off things they absolutely knew nothing about.
The sad thing is there are still people who blame him even though he's been gone awhile. Sad really.
How heartbreakingly sad. I'm glad they finally found them :-(
I'm sure it was a big relief for Mr. Elston. Thank you for watching!
Y'all do such a great job on your videos and I enjoy watching them . Thanks and God bless Y'all
Thank you so much for watching Tammy! I'm glad to hear you are enjoying the videos!
Sad story, thanks for sharing.
You're welcome and thank you for watching.
Dare I say it, it sounds like Margery Elston was a really bad driver.
I don't know exactly how the law worked in Oklahoma at that time but in Australia there were a lot of people who'd only had to set a written test to get their licences and, frankly, the standard of driving was very poor.
I don't think she was the best driver either and of course there were other factors. Driving at night which she did not like and possibly alcohol. Thank you for watching.
Hey Rhetty,
LOVED this! I enjoy a good mystery and this sure qualifies! I gotta tell ya, the WHOLE THING sounds more than a little fishy to me. I'm thinkin' the husband definitely had something to do with the disappearances. First of all, I find it odd that the two women went out to "visit friends" and to "run some errands" wearing $4000.00 worth of jewelry. I mean, dang it, back in '63, four grand was a lot of money; they must've been dripping in jewels, LOL. Second of all, the article at time-stamp 4:00 says, "They weren't dressed to go anywhere. Pretty Melinda had just thrown a coat over her pajamas." Hmmm. That kind'a conflicts with the "$4000.00 worth of jewelry" account. Not to mention, who goes out to visit friends AND to run some errands [in public, no less] wearing their pajamas? Granted, I've been known to sneak out to my local neighborhood convenient-store for a gallon of milk in "lounge wear" that could be considered pajamas but, back in '63, that wasn't something, especially women, would normally do. The whole "large inheritance" from his mother-in-law AND the life insurance policies he would most likely collect on, are HUGE red flags in my mind, too. And how convenient, for him, that the phone "just happened" to not be working that day, and he had to wait until the next morning to call the police from work? That's fishy too. If he was sooooo worried, why didn't he rush to use the neighbor's phone, just like his step-daughter had done earlier that day? Doesn't make sense to me. Plus, he chose to call the authorities in Warr Acres where the Chief was a friend of his, as opposed to calling the authorities in Oklahoma City. He obviously knew his police-chief friend would work hard to clear him as a suspect! And no skid marks from the car leading into the pond? Hmmm, doesn't take much to cut brake lines; there'd be no skid marks if the brakes went out. No mention of him having an alibi either, other than him being home, alone, waiting for them to return. Ayuh, no doubt -- the husband did it! Maybe his company was in trouble financially and he figured his wife and step-daughter's deaths would bail him out.
Or... maybe I just read too many Mystery novels, LOL!
Have a great day!
Valerie.
4000 grand was a lot of money then but she was on her way to visit friends in Nichols Hills and those are the most prominent people in Nichols Hills. Mr. Elston was pretty well off on his own and was before marrying Margery. I don't believe he was after her money. He did petition the court to have her declared dead but that was some 8 years after she was reported missing. I'm not aware of any insurance money being paid. I do think this was a simple case of negligence while driving. The bigger picture points to Margery being intoxicated with the bottles in the floor. When she had her wreck in Tulsa that injured her daughter she was intoxicated then. But again it is all speculation at this point. Finding the jewelry in the car makes me think it was not a money thing or something done on purpose. A new Cadillac like that would have been a lot as well. Thank you for watching. It really is quite a story and strange case.
Damn people dressed nice back then, but why wear all the expensive jewelry? Weren’t they just running errands?
Damage to brake pipes would still have been visible and would have been noticed during the inspection of the vehicle.
Interesting possibilities but I think Rhetty's reply to an other comment here is more likely the reality - husband knew that wife had a habit of drinking alcohol and leaving the house late at night, but he kept quiet about it.
Thanks for sharing. Sad but interesting. Glad they were finally found. ☝️🙏👍
You're welcome. I'm also glad that Mr. Elston was able to have closure before he passed. Thank you for watching!
Sorry for being pedantic but the red Caddy shown at the beginning was a two door, the car in question has 4 doors.
Yes that is not the actual car. It was a black cadillac.
Sad. Those poor ladies. That poor Caddy.😥
Yes it is. Thank you for watching!
nice job telling the story - just the facts without a lot of flubbel (my word for droning on and on and on) I like a good story this one is tops. Thank You
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Thank You for your Service ❤️ in the information you supply 🌹🙏
This story was fascinating, I lived in Warr Acres in the 80s and had never heard about this.
It's quite the story. Thank you for watching!
@@RhettyforHistory Thanks for making these videos, they are fun and educational.
You're welcome
QT. Quiet. .
Ce-no·taph /ˈsenəˌtaf/
“A monument to someone buried elsewhere.”
I had to look it up! I was confused as to the two markers with his name on them. Awesome and riveting video!
You are correct on the cenotaph. Thank you for watching!
Good grief. What kind of husband doesn't report his wife missing til the next day. You walk over to your neighbor's house regardless of the hour and say you have an emergency. You're a great protector, bro. Yuk.
In many areas you cannot report a missing person for 24 hours. I don't know about OKC.
I'm not married nor have children. But I can only imagine I would have borrowed a car and been out searching all night. Any friends or relatives would be asked to join me. Maybe pointless but better than staying home.
She was a drunk
Hoosier Hermit - do you know this case or are you speculating. I'm curious.
@@gamtngirl3655 Did you watch the video? She caused her daughter's injuries from her drinking and driving in another wreck. They found alcohol in the car so more likely than not she was drunk. He might have thought she went somewhere to sleep it off. She would disappear from time to time.
Thank you for the upload. I thought this was a story that I had heard before but it wasn't. In the story i was thinking of, the whole family disappeared (parents and a couple of children).
You're welcome. I know similar stories of cars have entered the water and they are all tragic but what sets this one apart is time period in which it happened around Kennedy. Thank you for watching!
Similar cases : Judith Chartier, 17, of Chelmsford, Mass. missing 40 years , Kyle Clinkscales missing 45 years, Jimmy Allen Williams missing 40 years all found in their cars in lakes
The mother was driving again with her daughter that night. And she had wrecked the car and injured the girl years before.
You're right. She had a history of bad driving. It would have been best to stay at home that night. Thank you for watching Glenn!
The family had the money to cover up that the mother liked to hit the bottle . Suspect she was drunk.
u think she would have gave up driving exspecially with her child in the car.
Interesting & sad story
Thank you for watching Wade!
Good one Rhett!! Thanks for the video!
You're welcome and thank you for watching Kimberly!
A number of comments on this story mention that this kind of accident happens often, cars ending up in overflow ponds.
It leads me to ask why on earth are low level bumper barriers not built around the ponds or at least on the road curbs near we’re the ponds are located?
Seems it would be a good move that could save lives.
That is a good point. I think we have made progress in doing some of that but there is a lot more we could do.
@@RhettyforHistory ...thank you for acknowledging my comment.
I am pleased that you agree it is a good point.
Please take care and stay safe.
You're welcome and I appreciate you watching!
The Big Brother "Context" warning is entirely out of context. -smh
Yes it is. It's out of my hands. I was only referencing the Kennedy assassination to explain why the Elston case had a lack of coverage. That is relevant. I'm not trying to explain anything else on Kennedy so it's strange.
@@RhettyforHistory It's because the big brother thought police have to always reconfirm the official fake narrative to anyone even remotely touching upon something that most people with an ounce of brains knows is BS. It's the Orwellian dystopia we live in now.
Interesting. I was 8 years old, living a few miles northeast of Warr Acres in The Village. I remember the CIA assassination of Kennedy very clearly, but nothing about the Elston case.
Love how you say ‘CIA assassination of Kennedy’lol. Not that I’m disagreeing with you.
Have a blessed day👍🏾
Agree with your CIA assessment, but I believe they were the ones who did the hit, not ordered it. They do seem to do a lot of dirty stuff, including election fraud!
One disappearance affects a whole myriad of people in different ways not just the closest family or friends - very interesting thank you 🙏
Yes it does. Something I didn't mention. In 1967 an Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation agent was looking into a lead on the case down in New Orleans. He was driving down there to investigate it further when his vehicle was struck by a train and it killed him. Turns out the lead turned out to be a false one. Thank you for watching.
You did a great job on this story!
Thank you Susan! I appreciate you watching!