The bugout is now 180-190 bucks on ebay... That's rediculous. And the constant price gouging by Benchmade creates the market for the clones.... I love Benchmade. But my Bushcrafter 162 , was 180 bucks.. there is nothing about that bugout worth 2 Benjamins.. it's a 120-130 dollar knife at the most... So it's hard for me to have any pity for Benchmade.
Fuck it the clone is amazing for the price. I paid like 15 bucks for it and it works perfectly fine. I’d rather have crap steel and and replace it every year than 200 for a real bugout.
Fk it! You are aiding the criminals by doing that. But apparently you don't care. It's also a Federal offense to knowingly traffic counterfeit goods (buying/selling). Heavy penalties if you get caught doing so...🤔
Ok hear me out, i bought a clone so i could get a feel of whether i like the shape or not. i do plan on buying the bugout i just do not want to spend$200 on something i could potentially not like
Thank you for your comment. I realize that there are many people out there that do this. Respectfully, I just cannot embrace this method for myself. Thats just me and my opinion. I appreciate you watching the video and I appreciate your comment as well. I hope you enjoy your Bugout when you get one.
@@BladeStuff Update: The video was great and i bought a real bugout i do really like the series of knife. something that could be worth mentioning in a future comparison is the quality some things i noticed when comparing my fake to the real if that the fake has a lot of flex in the middle of the scales to the point were you can touch to two sides. another thing is the coating on the screws used although my fake has the exact same screw sizes the ano/coating on the fake screws wore pretty quickly showing the metal underneath. The fact that fakes are getting this good is pretty alarming for true businesses which is quite sad to see another thing was all the internal components matched up to the millimetre and looked identical besides the fake washers had a more matte finish to them.
@@liam5498 I have a fake with the purple looking shiny washers. I just got a real one two weeks ago, and it’s got Matte grey washers. The flex thing is true for the fake one as well.
Under no circumstances should you buy a knockoff.It cost all of us money when you do.My wife came home with a knockoff Sprint Run Spydie she got at a flea market.To make a long story short.He won't be selling anymore clones in my area.
I bought a couple of the $40 ones and am satisfied . I even whacked the heck out of the steel on wood to try and roll the edge to check the hardness and it passes. Arizona lifestyles reviewed a few and the bugout passed . It is nice , the carbon fiber one for $40 is a score bro . Even the green thorn knives
Chad, that was an informative video! I have bought a clone thinking it was the real deal! It’s a learning experience. Thank you so much for this video!
@@denniscotey8182 thank you for your question. I actually did not buy this. A friend of mine bought it thinking it was the real deal. I do not remember exactly how much he paid, but it was somewhere around $100 I believe. I know it was an in person transaction from a booth at some event or something like that. Thanks
I picked up a bugout knife today at the bin store for $2, completely expecting it to be fake. Imagine my surprise when I took it out of the box, it felt good, and I watched this video and realized I got super lucky. Thanks for the video!
I had a real one and I got a 535 carbon fiber clone with D2 61 HRC ( tested and verified ) I sold my real cause the clone was better , smoother , drop shut 0 blade play and perfect grind . For 49 bucks lol I have also played with clones that are crappy like the one you have and also some 9cr and good heat treat they were spot on none of the issues your clone has , that being said it’s a shot in the dark if you get a gone one or a bad one lol Great vid
I’d be curious to see how/if the inside of the scales differ. My authentic Bugout has a very distinct pattern. Wondering if the clone is able to mimic the square pattern.
I would agree with you that the Bugout seems overpriced for its build. Like the Bugout or hate the Bugout, that does not give someone else the right to sell their product as a Bugout. If they want to design and produce a knife, that is perfectly ok. They can even sell it for whatever they want. If it is a good product, it will stand on its own. There would be absolutely no need to sell or market it as something that it is not. That would be both dishonest and deceitful. This is just my opinion. Thank you for commenting. I do appreciate feedback.
Purchased three of the clones. The factors mentioned here aren't necessarily going to help someone identify, since there are a lot of manufacturers making clones in China. Also, unless you're getting directly from Benchmade, there's a good chance the Chinese clone is in a legit Benchmade box as a return. Some retailers may not notice the discrepancy and just resell if it still looks new. Probably lots of people walking around with clones who don't realize it.
@@BladeStuff Sure. thanks for sharing. I got the clones for like $12, and knew they were clones, so not expecting much out of them. They just look nice. :D Have a good one.
I received a 940 Osborne from a legit dealer in a legit BM box. The knife had what appeared to be milled carbon fiber scales. The first thing I noticed was the pivot screw was smaller than a T10. Then upon close inspection I discovered mold marks inside the scales similar to the Grivory ones on the lesser models. Of course the vendor took it back and refunded my money, but he likely allowed a dishonest customer to return a clone in a genuine box and lost a lot of money in the deal. Be very careful when purchasing these items!
I like the clone , hopefully the one I just now ordered halfway through your vid is better ,the reviews say it’s heavier and hard to distinguish from the real thing .
I enjoy my 2 clones better than my real 535. The main reason is that I am not afraid to give the clones a real beating. I paid $2.90 + $5 shipping on Wish. My clones have zero blade play, are centered perfectly, flick open great and close under gravity. Obviously some kinda weird steel, but seems to hold a good edge. Absolutely amazeballs.
I just bought a real one, I've had multiple clones and they were serviceable. The handle flex & bubble wrap were the only definite way to tell but there are new clones that address this benchmade needs better counterfeit measures such as QR codes etc
I'm not paying 2-3 or even 400 dollars for a knife I'm going to beat to shit using it everyday. I like clones their quality is very good for what you pay for and hopefully it causes name brands to be more competitive. I would be scared losing out or losing a $20 clone. I wouldn't even want to use a $400 knife cause I'd be nervous scratching it or messing it up the whole time.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect yours. I am curious to know if you apply this philosophy to other items as well such as tools, computers, shoes, beds, vehicles, instruments etc? Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong if you do, I am just curious. Personally, I would rather spend more money to get more quality on items like these. Admittedly, there are some things that I don't spend more on because I feel that the benefits do not outweigh the extra costs. To each his own I guess. Thanks for commenting, I appreciate it.
I must have recieved a good quality clone, I will compare it to a real bug out again? This one doesn't have most of the issues you showed, it is a pretty well built knife with no play in the blade.
Counterfeits not clones if they being sold as actual Benchmades! A clone would not be marked as actual Benchmade product and the perpetrators are criminals! Knowingly selling a counterfeit product is also a Federal offense. Let's get the terminology right. Nice video! 👍
Good video learned alot, also don't know if u knoticed or not but the Axis Locks are different could have it backwards but the real one it's towards the front and clone it's towards the middle
I agree. was a fan of benchmade in 2001 when more affordable, axis was a knife type then no longer made. not fan of lint carrying axis lock anymore. Pocket Lint was always slowing down lock closing performance
I’m wondering what steel they use for their counterfeits??? Every knife is being knocked off, right up to Zero Tolerance and Chris Reeves. They can’t be using good steel??? I won’t buy an expensive knife from anywhere questionable, EBay and amazon both have knock offs. It’s dangerous buying from them!!!
I totally agree. There is no way they are using good steel. Why would they? If they are going to lie about the brand, what stops them from lying about the steel?
a ton of bugout clones come with bearings instead of washers like the real bugout. that surprised me. why go that route making a knockoff? you would think washers would be cheaper.
Ok ok. If you do a few things you to your clone you can get rid of the majority of your issues. 1) put some locktite on the screws 2) replace the swivel screw with a t10 screw 3) purchase new scales $20-40 A quick amazon search on these items for a grand total of $41. I’ll give you the matte black finish is kinda ugly. I’m not a fan of a serated edge on a knife. Furthermore who cares what kind of steel a knife blade has, almost every human male on the planet doesn’t know how to sharpen them anyways. I hope you help your buddy improve his clone instead of just shitting all over his purchase, which from your statement early in the video you said he was very happy to get his hands on one. And for goodness sakes sharpen that knife when it comes out of the box. You kids today think brand new knifes are sharp. 😂
Surprised you didn't put a little RED Loctite on the end of the screws. I do it on all knives i disassemble. DON'T use the Blue. I bought a very well made mini bugout imposter at the local gunshow. In the back of my head i knew the price was too good to be true. So i took it over to a couple who sold Real Benchmade knives and had them check it out. Said it was built very well. Was th Carbon Fiber one the carbon fiber is on the inside also. Whether its real i don't know. You can't squeeze the scales together. For me, it was the pockt clip and being able to access the screw just above the clip. And the trademark "R".if they made the clones with good steel ( s90v) they would put Benchmade out of business. $ 288.00 for a real carbon fiber mini bugout is ABSURD. Benchmade is off the chain on their prices. Thanks for your video Brother.
5:28 other than spotting if it's real or not, the packing and that bag most of us really never going to use may are indicators but not really life changing difference in quality. You picked the fake bag up and checked the stitching to criticize it - which is OK, but you barely checkt the original which could also have bad stitching since who knows where benchmade buys those (china maybe?) When telling those difference you need to keep in mind that you know wich one is wich and so you see those differences. Give both to someone who don't know and let him share his intentions. Or compare a set of fake / real one of wich you yourself never held the certainly real one in your hand. Let someon cover the real showing differences like the logo and then compare it. Will you know? If a good clone comes along, you will fail.
I would respectfully have to say no. If you change out the scales and spacers, you have only fixed 2 of the many problems. Additionally, I have absolutely zero confidence that the clone has anywhere near the quality steel that it claims. If the manufacturer is going to misrepresent all other aspects of this knife, why would they not do the same with the blade steel and HRC? This is just my humble opinion. Thank you for watching and commenting.
The $40 carbon fiber one on dhgate for $40 is legit imo . There’s an all black and a silver blade with blue thumbstuds and barrels . There’s also a mini freek . We don’t know what the blade steel is
I have a real one and bought a clone because the price was crazy and its very very good for the price look just about the same the only giveaway is when its closed the logo sit halfway in my real one doesnt but not 100% sure
Hi Chad, I have a question, my black bugout only says 535Bk on the box, but it lacks the full name 535BK-2, can this be a sign that it is fake? It was bought from a reliable store
Hello Tomas, thank you for watching. I am sorry, but I do not feel that I can answer this question with complete certainty. My wife has a mini-Bugout in black and it definitely has the "bk-2" on the box but I do not know if they had any runs with different labeling. I would recommend emailing Benchmade. I am sure they would be able to help you. They have always been responsive to my emails. Thanks again and good luck!
This video’s 2 years old and so out of date now. Bought a clone for £20 from Aliexpress before Xmas and everything, the box, the knife play, everything is the same as the genuine one shown in this video.
In my opinion I'd buy 10 knock off clones before I'd pay 200$ for a pocket knife...that's just crazy...the manufacturer's are to full of themselves I wouldn't even take one if they give it to me...the knock off are perfect...if you lose it or it gets stolen you aren't out much...besides it's just a pocket knife...they should be charging a cheaper price....maybe around 75 or under I'd consider it as it is no way...not happening.
Weird! My clone has the clone pivot cap, the real ricosso, the real scales, no blade play, clone box, and I think the real logo...so could my clone have a real blade but bootleg box?
Unfortunately, there are numerous manufacturers of clones. All of which will be unique to one another in terms of build quality. Although there is obviously no way that I could determine what you have for sure, I would be very skeptical due to the things that you pointed out. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Thanks for the comment. Unfortunately that would only solve one of the many issues with this knife and it would only solve it temporarily. This clone was very poorly manufactured.
My clone is nicer then my legit Benchmade. 😢. The one i got has none of those distinguishing differences. Visually it's identical to my real one. Even the blade coating is identical. It also came out of the box hair popping sharp, centered, and smooth as butter in the action. It's utterly insane, I paid 6 bucks for the stupid thing plus 6 for shipping. If you threw it in a pile of 10 legit Benchmades I'm not sure I could pick it back out. I've seen some wonky Benchmades right outta the box at stores with more QC issues then this clone. Mine even came with a perfect rellica of the Benchmade baggie in the box. Stretchy, soft, perfect match to my others that they return my Lifesharps in.
Don't confuse the words clone and counterfeit, those are not the same thing. A clone would be fine if the price was right. What you have here is a counterfeit, and that is not cool.
bought a couple clones on wish, always been a fan of benchmade and other solid knife companies, but i would like to get a feel for how the real knives would feel carrying everyday, before spending over a hundred bucks on the real thing, now i also feel clones are what they are, fake, and deceptive to some, but the companies should have to put clones on their advertisements, but me knowing about benchmade, obviously buying a benchmade knife online for less than 20 bucks is a no brainer that its fake, even if the seller never mentions the words, cant say that for wives buying for husbands or others that dont know anything about the company, the thing that is nice about clones is its a cheap way to get the same design you like for cheap even if the materials are shittier, a cheapo pocket knife can last a long time, i have expensive knives and cheap knives but these will be the first clones i get, once they break and if i enjoyed the feel of them, i will buy the real ones, im not saying clones are morally right but they definitely are in the market and they arent bad knives for less than 20 bucks
Thank you very much for your comment. I appreciate and respect your opinion and I also realize that that you are not alone with this school of thought. For me, one of the problems with this would be developing an opinion on a real one based on the look and feel of an inferior product. For example, if I were to make the blade steel, pivot, clip, scales, and overall manufacturing exempt from my scrutiny when basing an opinion, then the only thing left is the size and shape which may or may not be accurate. The fake in this video felt distinctly different than the real one. I even handed them both to my 12-year-old girl without telling her which is which and she identified the fake. If I would have based my opinion solely on the fake, I am not sure I would have bought the real one. Either way, I respect your opinion and wish you good luck with your purchases. Additionally, I appreciate your comment and I thank you for watching.
@@BladeStuff i totally agree with your reply, there nothin wrong with buying the expensive knives, my favorite knives were all over $100 due to the quality control, cheap ones get too loose and require more care to stay usable and cheap steels suck to sharpen, im interested in seeing what these fake benchmade knives can go through, compared to the real thing, like an actual torture stress test on the material made with both knives, but i totally agree with your stance on fakes, just wanna try it out for myself to satisfy my curiosity
There is.... aliexpress. You know it's gonna be cheap, it's gonna be clone, and most probably 440c steel. But you'll pay 24$ for it. Nice ultralight clone with some clean and adjustment it will just work fine. It will also be easy to re-sharp and maintain. In europe that bugout costs 230€ it's way to expensive for what it is. If you want the real deal just buy @ good reliable store. I personally think the clone is mutch better deal.
This isn't true. The Benchmade website allows you to build the whole knife from the studs , thumb stud, blade color,designs etc. Ordered 4 from the website and they came with the sticker box,bag ,stickers as they are axis model bugouts and there is was no cutout. Been ordering from them for awhile
Hello. Unfortunately, that would be impossible for me to answer. There isn't just one spec for a fake. There are multiple places that manufacture these in their own unique ways. Thank you for watching and commenting.
I will not disagree that there are some issues with the omega springs, but I personally do not think that has any bearing on whether or not to support a counterfeit. Thanks for your comment
No offence by why should knife makers get this stupid law were china who builds cheaper and in most times better versions.people who make fishing lures this happens cars etcetera. I personally buy one real one for display and a clone to use and 98 percent of the time except microtech i prefer the clone.sorry my money is mine
the clone will have a reasonable price ! it is just as good as the so called real one ! both are built by Chinese cnc machines ( yes the so called real one is made by a Chinese cnc machine !) m390 is re named and lie hyped D2 ! and the rubber handle is total crap rip off !
The term "reasonable" is subjective. For example, you may feel that it is reasonable, but the designer and maker who poured tons of money in R&D would probably disagree. Just my opinion. Thanks for the comment.
Counterfeiting is indeed illegal. Hello! Clones on the other hand are not. Many Manufacturers held in such high esteem have been cloning Custom makers for as long as I can remember.. No one says a word about that, but oh no, if one of their knives has a similar looking knife by another company, everyone gets up in arms. If it has a companies name on it and is not made by that company, nor has said companies permission for it to be made by another entity, it is a counterfeit and is illegal. Apparently the vid producer here doesn't know the correct terms nor the legal definitions or ramifications. While I appreciate his position, and to an extent, his righteous indignation on the subject, I could take him more seriously if he knew what the heck he was talking about. I just got in a Gen. Benchmade 940-1 with a s90v blade and the workmanship on the knife is pretty much pitiful. there is NO Excuse for the price on many of their products and sadly, most buyers have NO Idea as t what to look in quality vs lackluster knife. Seems to me Benchmade is ripping off the public just as bad as the counter fitters are! KnifeMaker
This goofy ass is upset that clones exist when he isn’t even the manufacturer 😂😂 And if you pull out the ol’ “scammers sell the clones as real!!!” Argument then you seriously need to learn how to purchase expensive goods because you’d have to be pretty foolish to buy a fake
That is an interesting point of view for sure. I do not feel that a person has to be the owner or manufacturer in order to develop an opinion on what is right and wrong regarding this issue. You have obviously developed an opinion, and that is your right to do so. I will not call you names and attempt to degrade you because I disagree with you. That would not only be silly; it would also be unproductive. I will admit that I am a little old school when it comes to right and wrong, and I am not ashamed of that. I believe it is just as wrong to steal a persons intellectual property as it is to steal a persons physical property. I have lost thousands of dollars worth of property to thieves, and it disgusts me plain and simple. As for your second point about learning to purchase expensive goods, well..... That is pretty much the intent of this video, wasn't it? Thanks for commenting, and I wish you a good day.
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The bugout is now 180-190 bucks on ebay... That's rediculous. And the constant price gouging by Benchmade creates the market for the clones.... I love Benchmade. But my Bushcrafter 162 , was 180 bucks.. there is nothing about that bugout worth 2 Benjamins.. it's a 120-130 dollar knife at the most...
So it's hard for me to have any pity for Benchmade.
Fuck it the clone is amazing for the price. I paid like 15 bucks for it and it works perfectly fine. I’d rather have crap steel and and replace it every year than 200 for a real bugout.
Maybe. But I’ve purchased a few gas station knives for $12 to $15 that worked just fine and didn’t rip off another company.
Fk it! You are aiding the criminals by doing that. But apparently you don't care. It's also a Federal offense to knowingly traffic counterfeit goods (buying/selling). Heavy penalties if you get caught doing so...🤔
@@johnruiz6743 I agree but would like to know why they have not been caught and prosecuted yet.
@@johnruiz6743 so what. they can always get the FED to print more fake dollars ?
I bought a clone on Aliexpress. they have improved a lot. There are versions with ball bearing now, for 30 dollars
Can you tell me the store name on AliExpress?
the brand is JUFULO, there are several stores that sell
Ok hear me out, i bought a clone so i could get a feel of whether i like the shape or not. i do plan on buying the bugout i just do not want to spend$200 on something i could potentially not like
Thank you for your comment. I realize that there are many people out there that do this. Respectfully, I just cannot embrace this method for myself. Thats just me and my opinion. I appreciate you watching the video and I appreciate your comment as well. I hope you enjoy your Bugout when you get one.
@@BladeStuff Update:
The video was great and i bought a real bugout i do really like the series of knife. something that could be worth mentioning in a future comparison is the quality some things i noticed when comparing my fake to the real if that the fake has a lot of flex in the middle of the scales to the point were you can touch to two sides. another thing is the coating on the screws used although my fake has the exact same screw sizes the ano/coating on the fake screws wore pretty quickly showing the metal underneath. The fact that fakes are getting this good is pretty alarming for true businesses which is quite sad to see another thing was all the internal components matched up to the millimetre and looked identical besides the fake washers had a more matte finish to them.
@@liam5498 I have a fake with the purple looking shiny washers. I just got a real one two weeks ago, and it’s got Matte grey washers. The flex thing is true for the fake one as well.
Under no circumstances should you buy a knockoff.It cost all of us money when you do.My wife came home with a knockoff Sprint Run Spydie she got at a flea market.To make a long story short.He won't be selling anymore clones in my area.
I bought a couple of the $40 ones and am satisfied . I even whacked the heck out of the steel on wood to try and roll the edge to check the hardness and it passes. Arizona lifestyles reviewed a few and the bugout passed . It is nice , the carbon fiber one for $40 is a score bro . Even the green thorn knives
Chad, that was an informative video! I have bought a clone thinking it was the real deal! It’s a learning experience. Thank you so much for this video!
Thank you brother!
Can I ask where you bought your clone and how much you paid?
@@denniscotey8182 thank you for your question. I actually did not buy this. A friend of mine bought it thinking it was the real deal. I do not remember exactly how much he paid, but it was somewhere around $100 I believe. I know it was an in person transaction from a booth at some event or something like that. Thanks
I appreciate that you took the time to make this video. Knowledge is power. 👍
Thank you very much! I am glad you enjoyed it. Thank you for commenting.
I picked up a bugout knife today at the bin store for $2, completely expecting it to be fake. Imagine my surprise when I took it out of the box, it felt good, and I watched this video and realized I got super lucky. Thanks for the video!
Wow. You don't run into that everyday! Thanks for commenting
Give ya 4$ for it 😁 double your money haha
@@just_nate_8694 all benchmades belong in the bottom of the ocean. complete garbage
I had a real one and I got a 535 carbon fiber clone with D2 61 HRC ( tested and verified )
I sold my real cause the clone was better , smoother , drop shut 0 blade play and perfect grind . For 49 bucks lol
I have also played with clones that are crappy like the one you have and also some 9cr and good heat treat they were spot on none of the issues your clone has , that being said it’s a shot in the dark if you get a gone one or a bad one lol
Great vid
Thank you for watching and commenting. I really appreciate it.
@@BladeStuff all luv man it’s a interesting topic
I just ordered a titanium 940 with real M390 for 70 bucks
Let’s see what I get lol
Can I get the link please 🙏
Me too bro . Very happy with it
@@alejandrohermosillo3287 they’re on dhgate . They cost $40
I’d be curious to see how/if the inside of the scales differ. My authentic Bugout has a very distinct pattern. Wondering if the clone is able to mimic the square pattern.
Mad that someone else made a knife for what it really cost, and not some glorified RIP off benchmade makes. Bugouts shouldn't be no more than $60.
I would agree with you that the Bugout seems overpriced for its build. Like the Bugout or hate the Bugout, that does not give someone else the right to sell their product as a Bugout. If they want to design and produce a knife, that is perfectly ok. They can even sell it for whatever they want. If it is a good product, it will stand on its own. There would be absolutely no need to sell or market it as something that it is not. That would be both dishonest and deceitful. This is just my opinion. Thank you for commenting. I do appreciate feedback.
Purchased three of the clones. The factors mentioned here aren't necessarily going to help someone identify, since there are a lot of manufacturers making clones in China. Also, unless you're getting directly from Benchmade, there's a good chance the Chinese clone is in a legit Benchmade box as a return. Some retailers may not notice the discrepancy and just resell if it still looks new. Probably lots of people walking around with clones who don't realize it.
For the most part, I would agree with you. Not sure if many are using legit boxes, but.... I suppose it is possible. Thanks for commenting
@@BladeStuff Sure. thanks for sharing. I got the clones for like $12, and knew they were clones, so not expecting much out of them. They just look nice. :D Have a good one.
I received a 940 Osborne from a legit dealer in a legit BM box. The knife had what appeared to be milled carbon fiber scales. The first thing I noticed was the pivot screw was smaller than a T10. Then upon close inspection I discovered mold marks inside the scales similar to the Grivory ones on the lesser models. Of course the vendor took it back and refunded my money, but he likely allowed a dishonest customer to return a clone in a genuine box and lost a lot of money in the deal. Be very careful when purchasing these items!
I like the clone , hopefully the one I just now ordered halfway through your vid is better ,the reviews say it’s heavier and hard to distinguish from the real thing .
Cool. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. Good luck and thanks for watching!
Can I get the link please 🙏
I enjoy my 2 clones better than my real 535. The main reason is that I am not afraid to give the clones a real beating. I paid $2.90 + $5 shipping on Wish. My clones have zero blade play, are centered perfectly, flick open great and close under gravity. Obviously some kinda weird steel, but seems to hold a good edge. Absolutely amazeballs.
Glad you found something that you like. Clones are just not for me though. Thanks for commenting.
I just bought a real one, I've had multiple clones and they were serviceable. The handle flex & bubble wrap were the only definite way to tell but there are new clones that address this benchmade needs better counterfeit measures such as QR codes etc
I'm not paying 2-3 or even 400 dollars for a knife I'm going to beat to shit using it everyday. I like clones their quality is very good for what you pay for and hopefully it causes name brands to be more competitive. I would be scared losing out or losing a $20 clone. I wouldn't even want to use a $400 knife cause I'd be nervous scratching it or messing it up the whole time.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect yours. I am curious to know if you apply this philosophy to other items as well such as tools, computers, shoes, beds, vehicles, instruments etc? Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong if you do, I am just curious. Personally, I would rather spend more money to get more quality on items like these. Admittedly, there are some things that I don't spend more on because I feel that the benefits do not outweigh the extra costs. To each his own I guess. Thanks for commenting, I appreciate it.
@@BladeStuff Paying 10x as much for the real deal doesn't mean you are getting 10x the product.
It happens when benchmade take over 290 dollars here in eroupe for a knife that is half plastic.
Is the clone cheaper? If it is you get value for momey
Thank you for making this - very clear!
You are very welcome. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Thanks a lot. Useful review for those who is about to own BM bgt
Thank you for watching
I must have recieved a good quality clone, I will compare it to a real bug out again? This one doesn't have most of the issues you showed, it is a pretty well built knife with no play in the blade.
Glad you found something that works for you. Thanks for commenting.
@@BladeStuff thank you for the erudite reply, just earned a subscriber.
Counterfeits not clones if they being sold as actual Benchmades! A clone would not be marked as actual Benchmade product and the perpetrators are criminals! Knowingly selling a counterfeit product is also a Federal offense. Let's get the terminology right. Nice video! 👍
Great quality video! Glad to know I’ve got myself a real benchmade.
Thank you very much! I am glad you enjoyed it!
Good video learned alot, also don't know if u knoticed or not but the Axis Locks are different could have it backwards but the real one it's towards the front and clone it's towards the middle
Thank you !
I agree. was a fan of benchmade in 2001 when more affordable, axis was a knife type then no longer made. not fan of lint carrying axis lock anymore. Pocket Lint was always slowing down lock closing performance
Thank you for your comment
I’m wondering what steel they use for their counterfeits??? Every knife is being knocked off, right up to Zero Tolerance and Chris Reeves. They can’t be using good steel??? I won’t buy an expensive knife from anywhere questionable, EBay and amazon both have knock offs. It’s dangerous buying from them!!!
I totally agree. There is no way they are using good steel. Why would they? If they are going to lie about the brand, what stops them from lying about the steel?
a ton of bugout clones come with bearings instead of washers like the real bugout. that surprised me. why go that route making a knockoff? you would think washers would be cheaper.
One would definitely think that. I agree
blade coating/finish looks way different as well.
yes, I would agree.
I got a real one in the color Blue and a fake one in blue. It is very hard to see which one is the fake version. But you can feel te difference.
Well done video.
Thank you very much. I appreciate that.
Ok ok. If you do a few things you to your clone you can get rid of the majority of your issues.
1) put some locktite on the screws
2) replace the swivel screw with a t10 screw
3) purchase new scales $20-40
A quick amazon search on these items for a grand total of $41.
I’ll give you the matte black finish is kinda ugly. I’m not a fan of a serated edge on a knife. Furthermore who cares what kind of steel a knife blade has, almost every human male on the planet doesn’t know how to sharpen them anyways.
I hope you help your buddy improve his clone instead of just shitting all over his purchase, which from your statement early in the video you said he was very happy to get his hands on one.
And for goodness sakes sharpen that knife when it comes out of the box. You kids today think brand new knifes are sharp. 😂
Surprised you didn't put a little RED Loctite on the end of the screws. I do it on all knives i disassemble. DON'T use the Blue. I bought a very well made mini bugout imposter at the local gunshow. In the back of my head i knew the price was too good to be true. So i took it over to a couple who sold Real Benchmade knives and had them check it out. Said it was built very well. Was th Carbon Fiber one the carbon fiber is on the inside also. Whether its real i don't know. You can't squeeze the scales together. For me, it was the pockt clip and being able to access the screw just above the clip. And the trademark "R".if they made the clones with good steel ( s90v) they would put Benchmade out of business. $ 288.00 for a real carbon fiber mini bugout is ABSURD. Benchmade is off the chain on their prices. Thanks for your video Brother.
5:28 other than spotting if it's real or not, the packing and that bag most of us really never going to use may are indicators but not really life changing difference in quality. You picked the fake bag up and checked the stitching to criticize it - which is OK, but you barely checkt the original which could also have bad stitching since who knows where benchmade buys those (china maybe?)
When telling those difference you need to keep in mind that you know wich one is wich and so you see those differences. Give both to someone who don't know and let him share his intentions. Or compare a set of fake / real one of wich you yourself never held the certainly real one in your hand. Let someon cover the real showing differences like the logo and then compare it. Will you know? If a good clone comes along, you will fail.
Fails to mention the massive tool mark on the racasso that Benchmade would not have put on a blade.
So if you change out the scales, spacers…problem solved right (excluding the blade)?
I would respectfully have to say no. If you change out the scales and spacers, you have only fixed 2 of the many problems. Additionally, I have absolutely zero confidence that the clone has anywhere near the quality steel that it claims. If the manufacturer is going to misrepresent all other aspects of this knife, why would they not do the same with the blade steel and HRC? This is just my humble opinion. Thank you for watching and commenting.
The $40 carbon fiber one on dhgate for $40 is legit imo . There’s an all black and a silver blade with blue thumbstuds and barrels . There’s also a mini freek . We don’t know what the blade steel is
Legit? Really? Counterfeits are never legitimate, Thats what makes them counterfeit.
I have a real one and bought a clone because the price was crazy and its very very good for the price look just about the same the only giveaway is when its closed the logo sit halfway in my real one doesnt but not 100% sure
That is right throw that junk in the trash. Great video
Thank you for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Hi Chad, I have a question, my black bugout only says 535Bk on the box, but it lacks the full name 535BK-2, can this be a sign that it is fake? It was bought from a reliable store
Hello Tomas, thank you for watching. I am sorry, but I do not feel that I can answer this question with complete certainty. My wife has a mini-Bugout in black and it definitely has the "bk-2" on the box but I do not know if they had any runs with different labeling. I would recommend emailing Benchmade. I am sure they would be able to help you. They have always been responsive to my emails. Thanks again and good luck!
This video’s 2 years old and so out of date now. Bought a clone for £20 from Aliexpress before Xmas and everything, the box, the knife play, everything is the same as the genuine one shown in this video.
Store name?
@@koningklootzak7788 search for 535 and take your pick ;)
Thanks for posting just got ripped off on two fakes
You are very welcome. Sorry to hear you got ripped off . Thanks for watching.
In my opinion I'd buy 10 knock off clones before I'd pay 200$ for a pocket knife...that's just crazy...the manufacturer's are to full of themselves I wouldn't even take one if they give it to me...the knock off are perfect...if you lose it or it gets stolen you aren't out much...besides it's just a pocket knife...they should be charging a cheaper price....maybe around 75 or under I'd consider it as it is no way...not happening.
Weird! My clone has the clone pivot cap, the real ricosso, the real scales, no blade play, clone box, and I think the real logo...so could my clone have a real blade but bootleg box?
Unfortunately, there are numerous manufacturers of clones. All of which will be unique to one another in terms of build quality. Although there is obviously no way that I could determine what you have for sure, I would be very skeptical due to the things that you pointed out. Thank you for watching and commenting.
.Keep up the Good Work!
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Tighten the pivot screw problem solved.
Thanks for the comment. Unfortunately that would only solve one of the many issues with this knife and it would only solve it temporarily. This clone was very poorly manufactured.
I don't buy fake but a benchmade I would just not to give them any money
They do all that work to develop a knife and then throw it to a Chinese manufacturer to build it just asking for them to knock it off!!!
That's a really bad clone. The good clones don't have different sized screws or anything that obvious of a flaw
Why do people have to be dishonest and evil, I hate people that’s why I have dogs…
No you know what's unfair is people charging The working Man $400 for a 3-inch pocket knife
My clone is nicer then my legit Benchmade. 😢. The one i got has none of those distinguishing differences. Visually it's identical to my real one. Even the blade coating is identical. It also came out of the box hair popping sharp, centered, and smooth as butter in the action. It's utterly insane, I paid 6 bucks for the stupid thing plus 6 for shipping. If you threw it in a pile of 10 legit Benchmades I'm not sure I could pick it back out. I've seen some wonky Benchmades right outta the box at stores with more QC issues then this clone. Mine even came with a perfect rellica of the Benchmade baggie in the box. Stretchy, soft, perfect match to my others that they return my Lifesharps in.
Do you really think that they would be able to offer you a good piece of steel for $6 ?
Don't confuse the words clone and counterfeit, those are not the same thing. A clone would be fine if the price was right. What you have here is a counterfeit, and that is not cool.
You make a valid point. I agree counterfeit is a more appropriate term. Thanks
bought a couple clones on wish, always been a fan of benchmade and other solid knife companies, but i would like to get a feel for how the real knives would feel carrying everyday, before spending over a hundred bucks on the real thing, now i also feel clones are what they are, fake, and deceptive to some, but the companies should have to put clones on their advertisements, but me knowing about benchmade, obviously buying a benchmade knife online for less than 20 bucks is a no brainer that its fake, even if the seller never mentions the words, cant say that for wives buying for husbands or others that dont know anything about the company, the thing that is nice about clones is its a cheap way to get the same design you like for cheap even if the materials are shittier, a cheapo pocket knife can last a long time, i have expensive knives and cheap knives but these will be the first clones i get, once they break and if i enjoyed the feel of them, i will buy the real ones, im not saying clones are morally right but they definitely are in the market and they arent bad knives for less than 20 bucks
Thank you very much for your comment. I appreciate and respect your opinion and I also realize that that you are not alone with this school of thought. For me, one of the problems with this would be developing an opinion on a real one based on the look and feel of an inferior product. For example, if I were to make the blade steel, pivot, clip, scales, and overall manufacturing exempt from my scrutiny when basing an opinion, then the only thing left is the size and shape which may or may not be accurate. The fake in this video felt distinctly different than the real one. I even handed them both to my 12-year-old girl without telling her which is which and she identified the fake. If I would have based my opinion solely on the fake, I am not sure I would have bought the real one. Either way, I respect your opinion and wish you good luck with your purchases. Additionally, I appreciate your comment and I thank you for watching.
@@BladeStuff i totally agree with your reply, there nothin wrong with buying the expensive knives, my favorite knives were all over $100 due to the quality control, cheap ones get too loose and require more care to stay usable and cheap steels suck to sharpen, im interested in seeing what these fake benchmade knives can go through, compared to the real thing, like an actual torture stress test on the material made with both knives, but i totally agree with your stance on fakes, just wanna try it out for myself to satisfy my curiosity
I spent 100 for a lot of 2 bugout. I should’ve known it was too good to be true lol.
thx video!
Thank you for watching
@@BladeStuff I live in Brazil and this video helped me choose the original
@@Fr.Locais I am happy that I was able to help.
These are everywhere on eBay claiming to be authentic I wish there was a better way.
I agree. I am very careful where I buy. Thanks for watching. Thanks for the comment!
There is.... aliexpress. You know it's gonna be cheap, it's gonna be clone, and most probably 440c steel. But you'll pay 24$ for it. Nice ultralight clone with some clean and adjustment it will just work fine. It will also be easy to re-sharp and maintain. In europe that bugout costs 230€ it's way to expensive for what it is. If you want the real deal just buy @ good reliable store. I personally think the clone is mutch better deal.
Nothing some new metal scales can’t fix lol
This isn't true. The Benchmade website allows you to build the whole knife from the studs , thumb stud, blade color,designs etc. Ordered 4 from the website and they came with the sticker box,bag ,stickers as they are axis model bugouts and there is was no cutout. Been ordering from them for awhile
Interesting. Every true Benchmade I have purchased has had a cutout.
I think clones and copies are different 🤔
I think this is fair criticism and "counterfeit " is probably a better term. Thanks for the comment
So somebody sold a fake as a real one to your friend? That's low, man. That's lower than Wish...
Thats pretty low in my opinion. Thanks for watching
Do the fakes have bronze or nylon washers
Hello. Unfortunately, that would be impossible for me to answer. There isn't just one spec for a fake. There are multiple places that manufacture these in their own unique ways. Thank you for watching and commenting.
@@BladeStuff which did yours have?
To be honest, I do not remember. It wasn't mine and I did not tear it completely down. I'm sorry.
Let me guess. The clone omega springs last longer than the 6 weeks true Benchemade springs last. Total trash.
I will not disagree that there are some issues with the omega springs, but I personally do not think that has any bearing on whether or not to support a counterfeit. Thanks for your comment
They're replicating even the white stickers too
Yeah it's crazy! Thanks for the comment
No offence by why should knife makers get this stupid law were china who builds cheaper and in most times better versions.people who make fishing lures this happens cars etcetera. I personally buy one real one for display and a clone to use and 98 percent of the time except microtech i prefer the clone.sorry my money is mine
the clone will have a reasonable price ! it is just as good as the so called real one ! both are built by Chinese cnc machines ( yes the so called real one is made by a Chinese cnc machine !) m390 is re named and lie hyped D2 ! and the rubber handle is total crap rip off !
The term "reasonable" is subjective. For example, you may feel that it is reasonable, but the designer and maker who poured tons of money in R&D would probably disagree. Just my opinion. Thanks for the comment.
cloning should be a crime. there are good knives made in china not using Benchmade name. Be safe and buy from Blade HQ
I absolutely agree! 💯.
Great vid! Thanks for posting! That whole clone business is absolute b.s. Should be illegal! Feel terrible for the people who get duped.
Thank you very much. I am glad you enjoyed it.. I couldn't agree more regarding the clone issue.. Thank you for your comment.
Counterfeiting is indeed illegal. Hello! Clones on the other hand are not. Many Manufacturers held in such high esteem have been cloning Custom makers for as long as I can remember.. No one says a word about that, but oh no, if one of their knives has a similar looking knife by another company, everyone gets up in arms.
If it has a companies name on it and is not made by that company, nor has said companies permission for it to be made by another entity, it is a counterfeit and is illegal.
Apparently the vid producer here doesn't know the correct terms nor the legal definitions or ramifications.
While I appreciate his position, and to an extent, his righteous indignation on the subject, I could take him more seriously if he knew what the heck he was talking about.
I just got in a Gen. Benchmade 940-1 with a s90v blade and the workmanship on the knife is pretty much pitiful. there is NO Excuse for the price on many of their products and sadly, most buyers have NO Idea as t what to look in quality vs lackluster knife. Seems to me Benchmade is ripping off the public just as bad as the counter fitters are!
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Lol.
This goofy ass is upset that clones exist when he isn’t even the manufacturer 😂😂
And if you pull out the ol’ “scammers sell the clones as real!!!” Argument then you seriously need to learn how to purchase expensive goods because you’d have to be pretty foolish to buy a fake
That is an interesting point of view for sure. I do not feel that a person has to be the owner or manufacturer in order to develop an opinion on what is right and wrong regarding this issue. You have obviously developed an opinion, and that is your right to do so. I will not call you names and attempt to degrade you because I disagree with you. That would not only be silly; it would also be unproductive. I will admit that I am a little old school when it comes to right and wrong, and I am not ashamed of that. I believe it is just as wrong to steal a persons intellectual property as it is to steal a persons physical property. I have lost thousands of dollars worth of property to thieves, and it disgusts me plain and simple. As for your second point about learning to purchase expensive goods, well..... That is pretty much the intent of this video, wasn't it? Thanks for commenting, and I wish you a good day.
Easily one of the most biased reviews
Chaddddddddddddd
yes
I like my clones better.
To each his own. Thanks for commenting.
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Dwie tandety...
So many fakes on eBay it's hilarious
I believe that!
I would never buy one from anyone but a reputable store as I've seen some incredible fakes.
Buy a hogue deka 😂😂😂
I need to. I do not own one of those yet. Thanks for the comment.
Wtf is a peench?
What can I say, I am an Okie.
Welcome to the real world bub
I bet your buddy was heartbroken
oh yes, definitely