No perceived value of these skills is greater than a gymnast’s health and safety. Yes, they’re impressive and visually stunning, but a few seconds of “ooh”s and “aah”s could never justify even risking a life altering or fatal injury.
Virtually all gymnastics skills could be argued to be not worth risking health and safety. Gymnastics plays with injuries, health issues, etc. almost by definition. Regardless of these skills by the time you reach those levels there must be thousands of gymnasts who have injured out and hundreds of thousands with long term health issues. Yes, they are removing the most dangerous ones but any vault, tumbling pass, beam routine, bars transfer, etc., etc. could have death or massive injury, and the long term health issues getting to those levels surely causes leg, arm, wrist, back, ankle, foot, diet, long term hormone, mental health, etc., etc.
@@BW022 I agree, but the same can be said for most sports. The difference, in my opinion, is what an athlete wants to do within their skill level and to meet competition requirements as opposed to being pressured to push their limits in order to further impress the audience. I’m not sure I articulated that well enough, but I do see a distinct difference between the two.
@@qwitchyy I don't see it that way. At those levels you are already pushing yourself beyond limits -- and of course you didn't get that good without pushing yourself throughout your training beyond your current skill level. At those levels (and ever step before) they are always 'pressured' into moves which are insanely dangerous. At those levels, you've pretty well self-selected people for insane risk taking who are doing everything humanly possible to win. I'm sure there are piles of mentally (and physically) broken girls to get to those levels. Are these specific moves statistically more dangerous or risky that others... maybe, but I think the "pressured" ship has long since sailed. I remember competition days in a martial art. I did national level competitions. After I took a break for university... I looked back at things I used to do and asked 'Was I nuts?' Did I 'feel' pressure, No. I wanted to win and did whatever I needed to do so, so did every opponent or else they wouldn't have gotten there. I did moves which were banned over the years and never thought about it. Where they any more dangerous than other moves? IDK. Maybe statistically, but in competitions I'd dislocated someone's shoulder, put half a dozen people completely unconscious, etc. so kind of moot.
@@BW022 I hear you. I’m just confused by your point here. You think these moves that by nature of their rotation and other sports physics reasons have a higher chance of causing serious head/spine injuries *shouldn’t* be banned?
@@qwitchyy My point is I don't like the "we are doing this to protect the athletes" when if that was the true intent you'd ban the entire sport. The "higher" than in arbitrary. Even with these bans, thousands of girl probably get injured out form head/spine injuries for each one who gets to the Olympics and hundreds of thousands or more suffer other injuries. The only purpose of such bans is to protect people seeing massive injuries at the Olympics -- and on TV. We know full well hundreds of thousands if not millions of girls injure themselves in the sport and develop all sorts of issues from it. They don't make TV so those activities aren't banned. What is more series... a dozen head/neck injuries at the Olympics... or a million girls with anorexia, life long hip problems, etc., etc.
Elena Mukhina’s parents both died when she was 5 YO. She as left an orphan of the State, and was an unremarkable gymnast until she transitioned to Men’s coach Mikhail Klimenko. Under Klimenko, she performed many typically male - only athletic combinations, including the “Thomas Salto”, even while injured, and un-healed from a fractured leg. When she was left a quadriplegic shortly after her 19th birthday, her first thought while in immense pain on the floor, paralyzed was “Thank God, I don’t have to go to the Olympics in 2 weeks. Thank God, this is over.” She passed away at the age of 45, shortly after the death of her 92 year old grandmother, and in the arms of her fellow gymnast Elena G, whom she had been living with since 2000. While Elena’s name is often associated with the word “tragic” in the West, it must be noted she lived a valuable and fulfilled life after her injury, graduating from the Physical Institute in Moscow, in 1984, lecturing, and inspiring young gymnasts, and coaches, receiving State metals and awards, and being a world - wide ambassador not only for her incredible gymnastic athleticism, and balletic artistry, but because of her life’s work towards the injured community. She was also an advocate for equine rights, and mentor to several coaches. ❤😢❤
@@lisamohammed-irvine5733No where in this comment thread did ANYONE say this young lady’s injury was “worth it.” ELENA herself said “thank God it’s over.” The point of the first comment is to express that “despite her injury,” she still had a fulfilling life educating other athletes to help spread the dangers of what she endured. She is a beacon of strength and an ambassador for the sport. She didn’t sit at home and feel sorry for herself.
Elena Mukhina’s story is beyond tragic. To go from an incredibly strong athlete to a freaking *Quadriplegic* is just…horrendous. The fact that she didn’t think it was safe makes it even more insane. She died in vain. That she died due to this injury is criminal. They killed a champion. This was murder.
It is really tragic, yes, but if safety is first, let's also ban olympic marathons since they are also dangerous to athletes, and while we're at it, let's also ban pole jump, least the pole breaks and stabs the athlete. Let's also ban olympic soccer, archery, cycling, fencing, diving, downhill sky slalom, and ice skating. No, wait, let's ban the Olympic Games altogether so nobody is in any kind of danger... LIFE IS A BEAUTIFUL DANGER AND THE OLYMPIC GAMES IS WHERE ATHLETES WHO HAVE EXELLED WILLINGLY GET TO COMPETE AGAINST OTHERS TO SEE WHO IS THE FASTEST, THE STRONGEST, THE MOST RESISTANT, AND THE BEST IN A PARTICULAR DISCIPLINE.
@@monkeyman41333 Hey how about banning car racing also; it's too dangerous for the drivers and the public... Hey, let's ban weightlifting; it's just as dangerous as gymnastics... And while we're at it, maybe we should ban wrestling also... Let's also ban flying on jets since plane accidents are almost always fatal. Let's also ban mountain climbing so no one falls or gets frozen or gets edemas... THERE IS SIMPLY NO COMPLETE SAFETY OR SECURITY IN LIFE. KEEP TRYING TO MAKE YOUR WORLD COMPLETELY SAFE AND YOU'LL END UP HAVING A COMPLETELY IMPOVERISHED LIFE.
Soviet Russians never values any life, even their own people. Their government perceives people as tools and nothing more. Elena did not have the choice at anything. If she would say no, the consequences could be terrible.
@@elputas You have to think about common errors athletes make in training and whether that common error could lead to significant injury. In gymnastics, athletes regularly over or under rotate a skill-even at the Olympic Games. We can see this when they land leaning forward a little or have to step backward. Over or under-rotating is much more common than getting it exactly right. However, landing leaning a bit forward or stepping back shouldn't cause horrific injury. I've had a major sprain from over-rotation that was worse than a break. That type of injury typical in gymnastics (and most elite-level sports). However, for roll-out skills, over- or under-rotating to that degree could result in paralysis. So, tell me: out of all those examples you provided, is there a common error (e.g., over/under-rotating) that could result in paralysis-level injury?
Yes, and she even told her coach she was afraid she'd break her neck! He said -- _People like you don't break their neck._ RIP, Elena, you were taken from us all too young 😥💔 We will always remember you
as well as being ordered to use it in her routine that day---while recovering from a broken leg. Told she was "not being conscienscious", she performed it and fell on her chin, breaking her neck. A quadriplegic the rest of her life, she died at 42.
Just saw this story, she was forced to perform this with a broken leg that had not healed. The coaches insisted the doctors remove her cast so she could train. This is communism! Don't even ask where her parents were in all of this because, again, this is communism! Not a very nice picture is it????
Respectfully, I don’t think we can blame the skill for 100% of what happened… she was treated poorly by her coach and wasn’t cared for properly/rushed back to training after being injured and pressured to perform. Every athlete deserves dignity and respect but they should also be able to take risks and push boundaries if they chose 😕
This exactly. If these skills were allowed, they'd be irresistible, like catnip, to some excellent gymnasts; I can feel it. . . It can be awfully easy to believe you can do something safely when you reach this level. So I think banning these skills takes the pressure off the gymnasts who would otherwise choose (or, like Elena, be forced into doing) these risky, potentially deadly elements.
I want a moment to appreciate He Xuemei from China. She was the last female gymnast to perform the Thomas Salto at the 1992 Olympics. We often think of people who went above and beyond the 10 code (Kui YuanYuan, Tatiana Gutsu, Shannon, etc) But I feel He is a forgotten one, her routines were always very very difficult and original
Totally! I kinda put Yao Jinnan with the Mo Salto in the same category :) she’s not so forgotten but I’m sure 90% of fans will remember someone like He Kexin or Yang Yilin, Deng Linlin, Sui Lu over Yao
It just costs a life for you to 'wow' for a second. THINK ABOUT IT. You never trained any real sports. You speak like the usual spectator who knows nothing about it.
@@P1995. she wouldn’t have died that early had she not gotten injured from that skill. Just like how Julissa Gomez died from her injuries after crashing head first into the vault (becoming paralyzed from the neck down as well), there was an accident in the hospital where she got disconnected from her ventilator which caused her to go into a coma and 3 years later she succumbed to an infection while still in a coma
As if regular gymnastics routines weren't intense enough, these are terrifying. Good thing they're banned. But no lie, when executed perfectly they look amazing.
"What do you think would be the value of these skills if they were allowed?" Honestly, it doesn't even matter. No amount of points is worth risking your health, well-being, or life.
While I agree I'm very curious to hear where you draw the line. Because there are still so, so many skills in gymnastics that are considered completely normal that could also break someone's back or neck if you happen to land poorly. For example most of what happens on the balance beam always looks like it's one slip away from breaking something serious in going down. Lots of gymnastics skills can't be considered 'good' for your joints in any way shape or form, and as far as I know training isn't just about form but also about minimizing the risk of injury, suggesting that it's a very injury-prone sport to begin with. I'm a horserider and while horseriding can easily get you killed, we don't spend nearly as much time as gymnasts training to for example prevent ankle or wrist injuries. Obviously the horse needs to be trained in such a way that it doesn't injure itself too easily but there's more focus on being able to do certain things than on preparing to do them in an injury-proof way, if you get my drift. And I don't want to suggest it should all be banned, I'm just very curious to hear other people's opinions and where they draw the line between risking health and performing in the sport. I think it's a fascinating topic.
I'm totally ignorant of this sport, but It's really impressive how they make it look easy to do things that must be so difficult, like jumping backward from a seated position...I have difficulties standing up gracefully from the floor with the use of my hands...
Every time they highlighted the Thomas Salto and Elena Mukhina, I started to cry inside my heart remembering Elena Mukhina. How sad and tragic... may you find your angels in heaven now🌷🍀😢
As a springboard diver myself, twists in the air can be very disorienting. I sometimes belly smack doing twisting dives because I’ll occasionally lose my points of reference in the air and luckily I have water to break my fall. The thought of doing this on flooring is just unfathomable
You’re very brave! I’ve done a bellyflop before and that hurts! I can’t imagine how high up you get and crashing on the water on your stomach! Ouch!! ❤
Honestly, I would think even on the water would be dangerous. I could barely jump feet first off the high dive let alone do anything that involved a twist.
@@P1995. as a medical professional myself, it's natural to die young if you are paralyzed via spinal cord. One, infection. If you cannot feel to pee then the doctor will opt you to connect Foley Catheter. FC's are cause of infection if not changed frequently. Two, heart enlargement. Without, exercise our heart gain fats from food we eat. Three Fatty Liver. Same reason, no exercise our liver will have that too. Kidney failure, they may have it due to NSAIDs they drink for medication. Pneumonia. The lack of exercise may lead to lower expansion of lungs, and accumulation of water on the lung lobes. Anything could happen, either one of the reasons may have happen. The point is Quadriplegia may lead multiple complications. They don't usually live longer, mostly they die at the age of 55
Salto looks like the only one who nailed it painlessly and with a swift grace… maybe people just need to leave the dangerous moves where they start. With the creator who was nuts enough to attempt it in the first place 😆
I would never allow these moves because of their history of causing severe injuries to the neck and back. The Thomas salto was how Elena Mukhina broke her neck and became a quadriplegic for the rest of her life. Therefore, they have no value whatsoever.
Pfft. They DO have value, they are difficult which adds value obviously. But I understand why they were banned, because they were dangerous. But that doesn't mean that they are not impressive.
Nonetheless, Elena Shushunova's back to back tumbling run with one and half salto straddled with 1/2 twist roll-out was extremely spectacular to watch back in the days.
@@flfm6736 so she did! Thank you. I went and had a look at USSR 1990 Nationals, she competes a laid out version as a second pass; was that the routine you meant? She had taken that element out by 1992 I see.
Artistic gymnastics were sadistics back when USSR and the Warsaw pact were the titans of this sport and then some of those coaches deflected to the West and brought along those inhumane training - luckily we now valued the gymnists' well being more than those few seconds of spectacular display.
I'm glad that these dangerous moves are banned. While visually stunning, we forget just how dangerous gymnastics can be. I knew a young woman when I was in college. She was an excellent gymnast, but made a mistake and fell from the uneven bars, breaking her back. She was paralyzed from the chest down and was in a wheelchair for the rest of her life. She died when she was only 51.
I understand the banning of rollouts. But, also, they happen to be the most visually stunning tumbling passes. Especially out of a straddled 'combination'. Jaw dropping. *Not worth a broken neck* But, props to the ballsy few that made it look so damn easy.
I was a springboard diver and a gymnast. The only difference between the best diver and an average diver is who has the biggest cojonas. You could argue that skill and coordination are huge factors, and they are, but it always comes down to who has the balls to try the scary dives. When they announce you are doing a doubletwisting two and a half you get added points from the judges BEFORE YOU EVEN DO THE DIVE because you had the guts to throw that technique. I copied a top diver's peculiar asymmetrical arm movements during the approach before even doing the final press on the board and would get higher scores just because i looked good walking down the board. Judges are people and they are affected by everything you do from how you move on the board prior to even being airborne to your degree of difficulty. A buddy of mine could do a 2 1/2 inward on the 1 meter. He would sometimes hit his hair on the board because he was rotating so close to it. They aren't going to ban inward dives just because every once in a while a diver piledrives his head into the board ending up in a wheelchair. You better believe if a technique is banned it needs to be banned because EVERY dive you do has a significant amount of danger to it and the one's deemed too dangerous for these elite divers and gymnasts are usually the techniques that they were doing to keep up with the Joneses but if you caught them in a moment of candor they would tell you they were scared shitless every time they performed that move; just ask Elena Mukhina...
The gymnast back then were amazing. All these life risking skills and they executed them well. They were way ahead of our time. I’m glad they banned them though! Can’t believe it left her paralyzed.
All of these now banned moves are just uncomfortable and rather painful to watch... alongside the utter frightening risk to the performer. I think most spectators are glad these weird types of risks are out of the sets. The gymnasts must be incredibly relieved.
Did anyone BESIDES Elena Mukhina ever complete the Mukhina Flip? By the way, the Mukhina Hecht dismount is still in the COP although it’s basically impossible now
Russian and Romanian female gymnasts back in the communist era were doing all of those. They were living a Spartan life and the training was insane for nowadays point of view.
I think the bars are so close together that it could potentially mess them up further if they tried catching them. Also the uneven bar routines were definitely difficult but not as technical as they are today
@@theoe354 my comment was relevant to the video.... in this case it absolutely was not worth it. She didn't even want to, she was pressured into it, and for what? A crippling disability that led to her death.
I fractured my neck on the seated version of the flips on bars. Casted and bar hit too high on my butt so didn’t bounce back but up and down on a 4-inch panel mat.
Here’s a fact: Back flips are an essential skill in gymnastics, but they’re actually banned from competitive figure skating. If a skater flips, they lose points
That’s because landing on ice is far more dangerous. As well the possibility of piercing your skin with your ice skates. it’s level of difficulty is also increased because of the near inability to land on skates. a beautiful yet severely dangerous move.
@@derpyflyingunicorn Yep. And it really chips/can chip the ice; I seem to recall that after one of Bonaly's backflips, another skater fell because her skate caught a chip left by the backflip.
Alucino con las habilidades de todos estos atletas. Como en cualquier deporte llevado al extremo, siempre hay riesgos, y creo que está bien poner ciertos límites. Es importante el espectáculo, la competición y el reto, pero no a cualquier precio. Tiene que haber un equilibrio razonable entre seguridad y el resto de factores. Scherzo
I think standing on the bar and dismounting from them or doing the Muhkina Flip looks breathtaking and like art, not tacky. And I don't agree it disrupts the flow. These routines are like songs and some songs have pauses or rests
No way, what's his name (the channel's)? Man... a lot of people got hurt with that element... I can't imagine what my life would be like after that. Especially if I'd had been a strong, active, athletic person before..
I have been involved with gymnastics since 1976, and I have never heard this referred to as 'The Dead Loop'..... It's called the 'Korbut Flip'; and it's a helluva lot safer than the 'Thomas Salto'.
lol was already posting comment about the Thomas before it showed. it ended my career and as well as a much more talented athlete that I knew. we were both on the junior olympic and national team growing up. I had no idea it was banned in 2017
There is too much competitiveness driving coaches/gymnastics into doing more and more dangerous moves. The “adults in the room” have to put sane limits in place-just as is done in race car driving.
My thinking of values for these gymnastics if I were the president of the F. I. G. and if these elements were not permanently prohibited from competition: Korbut Flip - 2 bonus points. Mukhina Flip - 3 bonus points. Standing Dismounts from the High Bar or the Uneven Parallel Bars - 2 bonus points for Uneven Bars, 3 bonus points for High Bar. Forward Roll-Out Finish To Any Tumbling Run at the Floor Exercise - 2 bonus points for Grade F-G tumbling runs, and 3 bonus points for Grade H tumbling runs. Thomas Salto - 2 bonus points - but 3 bonus points if the Thomas involves an extra twist or an extra salto.
I think gymnastics and figure skating overvalues difficulty. There’s such a huge advantage to attempting higher difficulty moves that somebody artlessly doing a difficult routine semi-decently with some sloppy edges will destroy someone perfectly executing a beautiful routine with a lower ranking. Difficulty is impressive, sure, and subjective judging looking for something like artistry is an opening for problems, but I would personally rather watch someone impeccably land an utterly perfect 2.5 turn flip than barely stay on their feet after 3.5 turns.
@@cocodacoco3065 blame the new CoP. They undervalue skills to "protect" gymnast from doing more dangerous ones but also require it smh. On floor especially, dance elements aren't really valued as high unless they're risky ones and gymnast that focus more on artistry won't get high enough scores to qualify at times. It's a shame too since so many routines are similar now and their isn't as much uniqueness. In Simone's case at least, she is able to execute difficult moves without really struggling. I've only seen her fall on a triple double once because it wasn't planned in her routine and I only saw her fall on a double double during classics. Luckily she wasn't injured because a gymnast had recently been hurt doing a double double ):
@@murasakino101 Yep, yep, yep. I've noticed in recent years how similar the floor routines especially have become, and I remember how much more personality we used to see in them. It's sad that the focus has shifted so much to Difficulty Above All. (I mean, all routines have become more similar, but it's on floor where it's the most obvious, because it should offer almost endless possibilities.)
The Thomas Salto and other skills related to this should remain ban since they’re risking and can cause someone to become paralyzed if landed on the neck.
The prohibited skills are absolutely beautifull, specially Korbuk and Mukhina, but was a good idea that anybody do them in competition, the risk is very high, even if you are a specialist. Simone Biles said that they are training for years, for only 4 minuts of competition, is terrible that for those 4 minuts, you can loose your health or your life.
I'm very curious about whether the rollout skills are banned in Japanese Men's Rhythmic Gymnastics (group performance) as well, because I have a feeling that I've seen rollouts in performances post 2017.
To put this in perspective, what about the tightrope walk between two tall buildings, no net? If ever there was a skill where failure means death, this is it. So, the degree of difficulty must be very, very high, which would score big points, even if somewhat less than perfectly executed. However, only a professional should attempt such a skill. Well, if you are such a professional, then you should be able to do skills of lesser difficulty to a very, very high level of perfection. In essence, the rules promote perfection over risk, and levels the playing field by protecting the amateur from risky skills only a professional should perform. Compare to figure skating professional shows.
SHE IS NOW QUA DRIPLEGIC? Wow! Several of this moves are indeed dangerous for this great athletes. Cool, but fatal. Precious job from this FGI in rewarding the safety and life's of our beloved Athletes. Those who inspire the tenacity of Human Kind. Treasures. Very cool video. 😊
They would have low value, focusing only on risky and difficult, means underestimate the whole carisma that gymnastic has....The movement, the strength, the balance, all things even whith no risk that a well trained body can do are just amazing Even in the small details, in the mm that make difference between a well or amanzingly well executed jump or a standing. So look for risk to make spectators feel thrilled is just unfair to gymnastic, because every high level routine is amazing, don t need to kill yourself for make look gym interesting.Unfair to gym and unfair to athlete. it s like drug to want more and more risk, more and more difficult...and more..and loose the focus, the why and what and for whom I m doing that
Acrobatics and gymnastics are wonderful to look at. There were many events of gymnasts making mistakes during international competitions. So safety has to be an issue. Even the worlds best make mistakes that can destroy their lives. We cannot know what would have happened if these elements weren't banned. But there is a concerning likelihood of accidents with severe consequences. There is no need for really dangerous elements. Gymnastics is still exciting.
The Korbut Flip was banned because, in my two bits, the bar could not take the full weight of the person standing up on the flip, and could shatter, causing the bar to fall and the gymnast with it. And if the gymnast falls as the bar breaks at the time she was going to do a backflip over the bar, the gymnast could hit one's head very hard on the mat, leading to a skull fracture and subsequent death from a hematoma.
I think every sport inherently involves some level of risk no matter how trivial it is. Now I don't think that compromising the safety of these athletes who are nearly irreplaceable and who embody the pinnacle of the human physique should be allowed under any circumstances but all I'm saying is, and I say this from personal experience, that some athletes derive pleasure and satisfaction from high risk high reward maneuvers and that a common internationally agreed upon rule stipulates when an individual has reached a legal age they should have complete sovereignty over their body and being then it goes without saying that they take full responsibility over their choices. So as a compromise I think that risk should be minimized for athletes under 18 yes! but no for athletes who have reached the legal age, no restriction should be allowed and let the fittest/bravest win!! (in the case of Mukhina I think she was forced into it I know, but this is a legal matter and we live in a different day and age, except for China, I don't think athletes are forced to do anything and even coaches would be afraid of injuries of these kind on their resume so I think they'll try to minimize the danger for their athletes naturally not legally!! ).
Relieved to know the roll out is banned. I saw a clip once of a guy attempting a forward double flip off a pool table. He landed tucked on the back of his neck. After that he didn't move. He was dead.
No perceived value of these skills is greater than a gymnast’s health and safety. Yes, they’re impressive and visually stunning, but a few seconds of “ooh”s and “aah”s could never justify even risking a life altering or fatal injury.
Virtually all gymnastics skills could be argued to be not worth risking health and safety. Gymnastics plays with injuries, health issues, etc. almost by definition. Regardless of these skills by the time you reach those levels there must be thousands of gymnasts who have injured out and hundreds of thousands with long term health issues. Yes, they are removing the most dangerous ones but any vault, tumbling pass, beam routine, bars transfer, etc., etc. could have death or massive injury, and the long term health issues getting to those levels surely causes leg, arm, wrist, back, ankle, foot, diet, long term hormone, mental health, etc., etc.
@@BW022 I agree, but the same can be said for most sports. The difference, in my opinion, is what an athlete wants to do within their skill level and to meet competition requirements as opposed to being pressured to push their limits in order to further impress the audience. I’m not sure I articulated that well enough, but I do see a distinct difference between the two.
@@qwitchyy I don't see it that way. At those levels you are already pushing yourself beyond limits -- and of course you didn't get that good without pushing yourself throughout your training beyond your current skill level. At those levels (and ever step before) they are always 'pressured' into moves which are insanely dangerous. At those levels, you've pretty well self-selected people for insane risk taking who are doing everything humanly possible to win. I'm sure there are piles of mentally (and physically) broken girls to get to those levels. Are these specific moves statistically more dangerous or risky that others... maybe, but I think the "pressured" ship has long since sailed.
I remember competition days in a martial art. I did national level competitions. After I took a break for university... I looked back at things I used to do and asked 'Was I nuts?' Did I 'feel' pressure, No. I wanted to win and did whatever I needed to do so, so did every opponent or else they wouldn't have gotten there. I did moves which were banned over the years and never thought about it. Where they any more dangerous than other moves? IDK. Maybe statistically, but in competitions I'd dislocated someone's shoulder, put half a dozen people completely unconscious, etc. so kind of moot.
@@BW022 I hear you. I’m just confused by your point here. You think these moves that by nature of their rotation and other sports physics reasons have a higher chance of causing serious head/spine injuries *shouldn’t* be banned?
@@qwitchyy My point is I don't like the "we are doing this to protect the athletes" when if that was the true intent you'd ban the entire sport. The "higher" than in arbitrary. Even with these bans, thousands of girl probably get injured out form head/spine injuries for each one who gets to the Olympics and hundreds of thousands or more suffer other injuries. The only purpose of such bans is to protect people seeing massive injuries at the Olympics -- and on TV. We know full well hundreds of thousands if not millions of girls injure themselves in the sport and develop all sorts of issues from it. They don't make TV so those activities aren't banned. What is more series... a dozen head/neck injuries at the Olympics... or a million girls with anorexia, life long hip problems, etc., etc.
Elena Mukhina’s parents both died when she was 5 YO. She as left an orphan of the State, and was an unremarkable gymnast until she transitioned to Men’s coach Mikhail Klimenko. Under Klimenko, she performed many typically male - only athletic combinations, including the “Thomas Salto”, even while injured, and un-healed from a fractured leg. When she was left a quadriplegic shortly after her 19th birthday, her first thought while in immense pain on the floor, paralyzed was “Thank God, I don’t have to go to the Olympics in 2 weeks. Thank God, this is over.” She passed away at the age of 45, shortly after the death of her 92 year old grandmother, and in the arms of her fellow gymnast Elena G, whom she had been living with since 2000. While Elena’s name is often associated with the word “tragic” in the West, it must be noted she lived a valuable and fulfilled life after her injury, graduating from the Physical Institute in Moscow, in 1984, lecturing, and inspiring young gymnasts, and coaches, receiving State metals and awards, and being a world - wide ambassador not only for her incredible gymnastic athleticism, and balletic artistry, but because of her life’s work towards the injured community. She was also an advocate for equine rights, and mentor to several coaches. ❤😢❤
Thanks for highlighting her other accomplishments in life. She deserves to be remembered by more than just her tragedy,
Thank you for this. I didn’t know any of the background. What a tragic life but she did make such a mark. ❤
The fact that you think her horrendous injury was worth it, speaks of the obsessiveness of the fans of the sport. sad.
@@lisamohammed-irvine5733No where in this comment thread did ANYONE say this young lady’s injury was “worth it.” ELENA herself said “thank God it’s over.” The point of the first comment is to express that “despite her injury,” she still had a fulfilling life educating other athletes to help spread the dangers of what she endured. She is a beacon of strength and an ambassador for the sport. She didn’t sit at home and feel sorry for herself.
10yrs it took f them t take the injury seriously; the cover-up by others involved,made her life affirming paralysis all the more sadder
Elena Mukhina’s story is beyond tragic. To go from an incredibly strong athlete to a freaking *Quadriplegic* is just…horrendous. The fact that she didn’t think it was safe makes it even more insane. She died in vain. That she died due to this injury is criminal. They killed a champion. This was murder.
It is really tragic, yes, but if safety is first, let's also ban olympic marathons since they are also dangerous to athletes, and while we're at it, let's also ban pole jump, least the pole breaks and stabs the athlete. Let's also ban olympic soccer, archery, cycling, fencing, diving, downhill sky slalom, and ice skating. No, wait, let's ban the Olympic Games altogether so nobody is in any kind of danger...
LIFE IS A BEAUTIFUL DANGER AND THE OLYMPIC GAMES IS WHERE ATHLETES WHO HAVE EXELLED WILLINGLY GET TO COMPETE AGAINST OTHERS TO SEE WHO IS THE FASTEST, THE STRONGEST, THE MOST RESISTANT, AND THE BEST IN A PARTICULAR DISCIPLINE.
@@elputas Ridicilous argument. I am even going to try and articulate the differences in what you have erroneously made comparisons.
@@monkeyman41333 Hey how about banning car racing also; it's too dangerous for the drivers and the public... Hey, let's ban weightlifting; it's just as dangerous as gymnastics... And while we're at it, maybe we should ban wrestling also... Let's also ban flying on jets since plane accidents are almost always fatal. Let's also ban mountain climbing so no one falls or gets frozen or gets edemas...
THERE IS SIMPLY NO COMPLETE SAFETY OR SECURITY IN LIFE. KEEP TRYING TO MAKE YOUR WORLD COMPLETELY SAFE AND YOU'LL END UP HAVING A COMPLETELY IMPOVERISHED LIFE.
Soviet Russians never values any life, even their own people. Their government perceives people as tools and nothing more. Elena did not have the choice at anything. If she would say no, the consequences could be terrible.
@@elputas You have to think about common errors athletes make in training and whether that common error could lead to significant injury. In gymnastics, athletes regularly over or under rotate a skill-even at the Olympic Games. We can see this when they land leaning forward a little or have to step backward. Over or under-rotating is much more common than getting it exactly right. However, landing leaning a bit forward or stepping back shouldn't cause horrific injury. I've had a major sprain from over-rotation that was worse than a break. That type of injury typical in gymnastics (and most elite-level sports). However, for roll-out skills, over- or under-rotating to that degree could result in paralysis.
So, tell me: out of all those examples you provided, is there a common error (e.g., over/under-rotating) that could result in paralysis-level injury?
Elena Mukhina was essentially forced to train that skill. It's a horrible story.
Very... the worst of gymnastics history that I know
Yes, and she even told her coach she was afraid she'd break her neck!
He said -- _People like you don't break their neck._
RIP, Elena, you were taken from us all too young 😥💔 We will always remember you
as well as being ordered to use it in her routine that day---while recovering from a broken leg. Told she was "not being conscienscious", she performed it and fell on her chin, breaking her neck. A quadriplegic the rest of her life, she died at 42.
@@annbush1826 holy shit
Just saw this story, she was forced to perform this with a broken leg that had not healed. The coaches insisted the doctors remove her cast so she could train. This is communism! Don't even ask where her parents were in all of this because, again, this is communism! Not a very nice picture is it????
Glad you mentioned Elena Mukhina I feel so sorry for her
Value of a rollout skill? A life
That hit hard.
Respectfully, I don’t think we can blame the skill for 100% of what happened… she was treated poorly by her coach and wasn’t cared for properly/rushed back to training after being injured and pressured to perform. Every athlete deserves dignity and respect but they should also be able to take risks and push boundaries if they chose 😕
Well said!
This exactly. If these skills were allowed, they'd be irresistible, like catnip, to some excellent gymnasts; I can feel it. . . It can be awfully easy to believe you can do something safely when you reach this level. So I think banning these skills takes the pressure off the gymnasts who would otherwise choose (or, like Elena, be forced into doing) these risky, potentially deadly elements.
I will call that a cost... a terrible cost.
I want a moment to appreciate He Xuemei from China. She was the last female gymnast to perform the Thomas Salto at the 1992 Olympics. We often think of people who went above and beyond the 10 code (Kui YuanYuan, Tatiana Gutsu, Shannon, etc) But I feel He is a forgotten one, her routines were always very very difficult and original
Totally! I kinda put Yao Jinnan with the Mo Salto in the same category :) she’s not so forgotten but I’m sure 90% of fans will remember someone like He Kexin or Yang Yilin, Deng Linlin, Sui Lu over Yao
She did it fabulously, too. But it was still terrifying to watch.
The Korbut flip and the Mukhina flip are hella impressive and amazing
and deadly
@@carol18 Deadly and not worth it..!🙏
Ya, impressive until you snap your neck 🥺
It just costs a life for you to 'wow' for a second. THINK ABOUT IT. You never trained any real sports. You speak like the usual spectator who knows nothing about it.
@@tnt7913 Thank you! 🙏👍
I understand why the Thomas Saltos was ban, IT LITERALLY KILLED SOMEONE.
Who did it kill?
@@cindyknudson2715 It killed Elena Mukhina, she was FORCED to do that skill by her coaches whilst injured.
@@its_tulixiaa5191 She became a quadriplegic, she died when she was 46 from complications
@@P1995. exactly, it killed her
@@P1995. she wouldn’t have died that early had she not gotten injured from that skill. Just like how Julissa Gomez died from her injuries after crashing head first into the vault (becoming paralyzed from the neck down as well), there was an accident in the hospital where she got disconnected from her ventilator which caused her to go into a coma and 3 years later she succumbed to an infection while still in a coma
As if regular gymnastics routines weren't intense enough, these are terrifying. Good thing they're banned. But no lie, when executed perfectly they look amazing.
"What do you think would be the value of these skills if they were allowed?"
Honestly, it doesn't even matter. No amount of points is worth risking your health, well-being, or life.
While I agree I'm very curious to hear where you draw the line. Because there are still so, so many skills in gymnastics that are considered completely normal that could also break someone's back or neck if you happen to land poorly. For example most of what happens on the balance beam always looks like it's one slip away from breaking something serious in going down. Lots of gymnastics skills can't be considered 'good' for your joints in any way shape or form, and as far as I know training isn't just about form but also about minimizing the risk of injury, suggesting that it's a very injury-prone sport to begin with. I'm a horserider and while horseriding can easily get you killed, we don't spend nearly as much time as gymnasts training to for example prevent ankle or wrist injuries. Obviously the horse needs to be trained in such a way that it doesn't injure itself too easily but there's more focus on being able to do certain things than on preparing to do them in an injury-proof way, if you get my drift.
And I don't want to suggest it should all be banned, I'm just very curious to hear other people's opinions and where they draw the line between risking health and performing in the sport. I think it's a fascinating topic.
I'm totally ignorant of this sport, but It's really impressive how they make it look easy to do things that must be so difficult, like jumping backward from a seated position...I have difficulties standing up gracefully from the floor with the use of my hands...
Agree!
Every time they highlighted the Thomas Salto and Elena Mukhina, I started to cry inside my heart remembering Elena Mukhina. How sad and tragic... may you find your angels in heaven now🌷🍀😢
As a springboard diver myself, twists in the air can be very disorienting. I sometimes belly smack doing twisting dives because I’ll occasionally lose my points of reference in the air and luckily I have water to break my fall. The thought of doing this on flooring is just unfathomable
You’re very brave! I’ve done a bellyflop before and that hurts! I can’t imagine how high up you get and crashing on the water on your stomach! Ouch!! ❤
Honestly, I would think even on the water would be dangerous. I could barely jump feet first off the high dive let alone do anything that involved a twist.
Especially if you do flips backwards I think. These movements are not natural to us as humans I think.
You're just bad at it! Just git gud bro!
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Poor Mukhina 😔
RIP people who got hurt by these skills
Yup Mukhina died young due to complications of her paralysis
@@youlikethischainits3dollar157 she was paralyzed. Not killed.
@@Nieme_gang i literally said "complications" from paralysis. She's already dead now.
@@youlikethischainits3dollar157 she was 46 when she died, still young
@@P1995. as a medical professional myself, it's natural to die young if you are paralyzed via spinal cord. One, infection. If you cannot feel to pee then the doctor will opt you to connect Foley Catheter. FC's are cause of infection if not changed frequently. Two, heart enlargement. Without, exercise our heart gain fats from food we eat. Three Fatty Liver. Same reason, no exercise our liver will have that too. Kidney failure, they may have it due to NSAIDs they drink for medication. Pneumonia. The lack of exercise may lead to lower expansion of lungs, and accumulation of water on the lung lobes.
Anything could happen, either one of the reasons may have happen. The point is Quadriplegia may lead multiple complications. They don't usually live longer, mostly they die at the age of 55
Those roll outs and Thomas Saltos, look dangerous but cool as hell at the same time 😅
I think they look very painful
They actually don’t look good at all... It makes me cringe every time!
Salto looks like the only one who nailed it painlessly and with a swift grace… maybe people just need to leave the dangerous moves where they start. With the creator who was nuts enough to attempt it in the first place 😆
I think the idea of jumping as high as you can just to land on the floor head first is absolutely stupid
They don't look cool at all..they look outdated and stupid af
This was incredibly eerie to watch. The Korbut Flip was insane! Flipping off of the top bar w/o any sort of harness is another level of dangerous.
I would never allow these moves because of their history of causing severe injuries to the neck and back. The Thomas salto was how Elena Mukhina broke her neck and became a quadriplegic for the rest of her life. Therefore, they have no value whatsoever.
A life always has value
@@lxuxu51 He meant the skills have no value when compared to what it did to Elena. She later died from complications related to that injury.
Amen!
@@MessianicMermaid ok lol, I thought he meant a quadriplegic life has no value
Pfft. They DO have value, they are difficult which adds value obviously. But I understand why they were banned, because they were dangerous. But that doesn't mean that they are not impressive.
RIP Mukhina
These skills, just watching is stressing me out, I’m glad they are banned.
Nonetheless, Elena Shushunova's back to back tumbling run with one and half salto straddled with 1/2 twist roll-out was extremely spectacular to watch back in the days.
She is so underrated.
It was called a Tong Fei, one and half straddled Arabian, taken from men’s. Incredibly impressive skill, she was the only woman ever to perform it.
@@Candlewait Tatiana Ignatova also used to compete it
@@flfm6736 so she did! Thank you. I went and had a look at USSR 1990 Nationals, she competes a laid out version as a second pass; was that the routine you meant? She had taken that element out by 1992 I see.
Old-school gymnasts were HARDCORE ASF
Only because they were usually forced to compete skills they were not ready for...
Elena Mukhina later died at the age of 45 as a result of complications from that injury.
Rest In Peace Elena
Artistic gymnastics were sadistics back when USSR and the Warsaw pact were the titans of this sport and then some of those coaches deflected to the West and brought along those inhumane training - luckily we now valued the gymnists' well being more than those few seconds of spectacular display.
I'm glad that these dangerous moves are banned. While visually stunning, we forget just how dangerous gymnastics can be. I knew a young woman when I was in college. She was an excellent gymnast, but made a mistake and fell from the uneven bars, breaking her back. She was paralyzed from the chest down and was in a wheelchair for the rest of her life. She died when she was only 51.
I understand the banning of rollouts.
But, also, they happen to be the most visually stunning tumbling passes.
Especially out of a straddled 'combination'.
Jaw dropping.
*Not worth a broken neck*
But, props to the ballsy few that made it look so damn easy.
It's definitely scary just to watch😱
I was a springboard diver and a gymnast. The only difference between the best diver and an average diver is who has the biggest cojonas. You could argue that skill and coordination are huge factors, and they are, but it always comes down to who has the balls to try the scary dives. When they announce you are doing a doubletwisting two and a half you get added points from the judges BEFORE YOU EVEN DO THE DIVE because you had the guts to throw that technique. I copied a top diver's peculiar asymmetrical arm movements during the approach before even doing the final press on the board and would get higher scores just because i looked good walking down the board. Judges are people and they are affected by everything you do from how you move on the board prior to even being airborne to your degree of difficulty. A buddy of mine could do a 2 1/2 inward on the 1 meter. He would sometimes hit his hair on the board because he was rotating so close to it. They aren't going to ban inward dives just because every once in a while a diver piledrives his head into the board ending up in a wheelchair. You better believe if a technique is banned it needs to be banned because EVERY dive you do has a significant amount of danger to it and the one's deemed too dangerous for these elite divers and gymnasts are usually the techniques that they were doing to keep up with the Joneses but if you caught them in a moment of candor they would tell you they were scared shitless every time they performed that move; just ask Elena Mukhina...
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The gymnast back then were amazing. All these life risking skills and they executed them well. They were way ahead of our time. I’m glad they banned them though! Can’t believe it left her paralyzed.
I remember "The Korbut Flip" from the 1972 Olympic Games. No one had ever seen it before.
It's still seriously impressive now!
Kurt Thomas is a wonderful gymnast for being able to create and execute such a beautifully dangerous skill so gracefully
Kurt died last year
The fact that people are able to even do such things is amazing!
All of these now banned moves are just uncomfortable and rather painful to watch... alongside the utter frightening risk to the performer. I think most spectators are glad these weird types of risks are out of the sets. The gymnasts must be incredibly relieved.
Did anyone BESIDES Elena Mukhina ever complete the Mukhina Flip?
By the way, the Mukhina Hecht dismount is still in the COP although it’s basically impossible now
Russian and Romanian female gymnasts back in the communist era were doing all of those. They were living a Spartan life and the training was insane for nowadays point of view.
i heard b4 Elena and Natalia Practiced The full twsiting flip b4. But only Elena Competed it cause elena got more concestency on it
@@masakierxd5261 I read that too
I actually like the standing on the bar but the rollouts are scary af. I def agree with that particular one.
No athlete should be made to perform excessively dangerous routines. The sport is already risky enough.
whenever i head the thomas salto, the first person that comes to mind is Elena Mukhina, rip
She's the reason it was banned.
Interesting also how coaches in the older bars/times rarely stand near to the athlete while performing. It was not allowed?
I think the bars are so close together that it could potentially mess them up further if they tried catching them. Also the uneven bar routines were definitely difficult but not as technical as they are today
No matter how fascinating the performances look, nothing is worth risking your life or injuring yourself for the rest of your life.
Nothing? A lot of things are worth risking injury or worse for. A risk-free life is impossible anyways, so just make smart risks.
@@theoe354 my comment was relevant to the video.... in this case it absolutely was not worth it. She didn't even want to, she was pressured into it, and for what? A crippling disability that led to her death.
I fractured my neck on the seated version of the flips on bars. Casted and bar hit too high on my butt so didn’t bounce back but up and down on a 4-inch panel mat.
Here’s a fact: Back flips are an essential skill in gymnastics, but they’re actually banned from competitive figure skating. If a skater flips, they lose points
That’s because landing on ice is far more dangerous. As well the possibility of piercing your skin with your ice skates. it’s level of difficulty is also increased because of the near inability to land on skates. a beautiful yet severely dangerous move.
@@derpyflyingunicorn Yep. And it really chips/can chip the ice; I seem to recall that after one of Bonaly's backflips, another skater fell because her skate caught a chip left by the backflip.
Only a few do it. I remember Surya Bonaly DQing herself at the Olympics doing one.
Alucino con las habilidades de todos estos atletas. Como en cualquier deporte llevado al extremo, siempre hay riesgos, y creo que está bien poner ciertos límites. Es importante el espectáculo, la competición y el reto, pero no a cualquier precio. Tiene que haber un equilibrio razonable entre seguridad y el resto de factores.
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i love how you made a video out of 2 things and just stretched them to 5 variants
Korbut flip and muckina look impressive because of their height and at their time under the bars was a simple gymnastics mat
0:36 this is one of the coolest and smoothest moves i've ever seen
god, in the last clip of a gymnast doing a rollout skill, you can see her narrowly missing a bad landing
I think standing on the bar and dismounting from them or doing the Muhkina Flip looks breathtaking and like art, not tacky. And I don't agree it disrupts the flow. These routines are like songs and some songs have pauses or rests
I think about the Korbut flip on the daily.
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2:34 Diego Hypolito just before winning a silver medal in Rio 2016.
The Korbut flip is impressive!!!
It's so weird to watch a youtube video that ends so abruptly without "leave it in the comments below" or "like subscribe and ring the bell for more"
I don’t like to do that 😂 if people like the content, I trust they’ll subscribe. I don’t like to push anything :)
@@gymnasticsmasterclass mad respect
Love the rollout but looks scary
I love Olga Korbut 😍
There's a youtube channel by an Indian (?) male gymnast including the very video he got paralysed doing a thomas salto. Grim stuff.
No way, what's his name (the channel's)? Man... a lot of people got hurt with that element... I can't imagine what my life would be like after that. Especially if I'd had been a strong, active, athletic person before..
this is one of your best videos so far. Well done
Okay but the tricks that involved standing on the high bar were amazing.
Health and safety of the gymnast is at utmost importance
I have been involved with gymnastics since 1976, and I have never heard this referred to as 'The Dead Loop'.....
It's called the 'Korbut Flip'; and it's a helluva lot safer than the 'Thomas Salto'.
lol was already posting comment about the Thomas before it showed. it ended my career and as well as a much more talented athlete that I knew. we were both on the junior olympic and national team growing up. I had no idea it was banned in 2017
There is too much competitiveness driving coaches/gymnastics into doing more and more dangerous moves. The “adults in the room” have to put sane limits in place-just as is done in race car driving.
Prayers and fasting for Elena Mukhina.
God bless.
My thinking of values for these gymnastics if I were the president of the F. I. G. and if these elements were not permanently prohibited from competition:
Korbut Flip - 2 bonus points.
Mukhina Flip - 3 bonus points.
Standing Dismounts from the High Bar or the Uneven Parallel Bars - 2 bonus points for Uneven Bars, 3 bonus points for High Bar.
Forward Roll-Out Finish To Any Tumbling Run at the Floor Exercise - 2 bonus points for Grade F-G tumbling runs, and 3 bonus points for Grade H tumbling runs.
Thomas Salto - 2 bonus points - but 3 bonus points if the Thomas involves an extra twist or an extra salto.
Man..id hate to see something bad happen to simone. Id rather someone do a lower skill flawless than a higher skill and get hurt
You really hit the hose with this comment!
I think gymnastics and figure skating overvalues difficulty. There’s such a huge advantage to attempting higher difficulty moves that somebody artlessly doing a difficult routine semi-decently with some sloppy edges will destroy someone perfectly executing a beautiful routine with a lower ranking. Difficulty is impressive, sure, and subjective judging looking for something like artistry is an opening for problems, but I would personally rather watch someone impeccably land an utterly perfect 2.5 turn flip than barely stay on their feet after 3.5 turns.
@@cocodacoco3065 blame the new CoP. They undervalue skills to "protect" gymnast from doing more dangerous ones but also require it smh. On floor especially, dance elements aren't really valued as high unless they're risky ones and gymnast that focus more on artistry won't get high enough scores to qualify at times. It's a shame too since so many routines are similar now and their isn't as much uniqueness. In Simone's case at least, she is able to execute difficult moves without really struggling. I've only seen her fall on a triple double once because it wasn't planned in her routine and I only saw her fall on a double double during classics. Luckily she wasn't injured because a gymnast had recently been hurt doing a double double ):
@@cocodacoco3065 Agreed.
@@murasakino101 Yep, yep, yep. I've noticed in recent years how similar the floor routines especially have become, and I remember how much more personality we used to see in them. It's sad that the focus has shifted so much to Difficulty Above All. (I mean, all routines have become more similar, but it's on floor where it's the most obvious, because it should offer almost endless possibilities.)
Very interesting. Thank you for posting.
The roll outs are terrifying.
The Thomas Salto and other skills related to this should remain ban since they’re risking and can cause someone to become paralyzed if landed on the neck.
Mukhina fue obligada a realizar el salto Thomas. Ella no quería hacerlo porque era peligroso, pero la forzaron a realizar ese salto.
The prohibited skills are absolutely beautifull, specially Korbuk and Mukhina, but was a good idea that anybody do them in competition, the risk is very high, even if you are a specialist. Simone Biles said that they are training for years, for only 4 minuts of competition, is terrible that for those 4 minuts, you can loose your health or your life.
I'm very curious about whether the rollout skills are banned in Japanese Men's Rhythmic Gymnastics (group performance) as well, because I have a feeling that I've seen rollouts in performances post 2017.
To put this in perspective, what about the tightrope walk between two tall buildings, no net? If ever there was a skill where failure means death, this is it. So, the degree of difficulty must be very, very high, which would score big points, even if somewhat less than perfectly executed. However, only a professional should attempt such a skill. Well, if you are such a professional, then you should be able to do skills of lesser difficulty to a very, very high level of perfection.
In essence, the rules promote perfection over risk, and levels the playing field by protecting the amateur from risky skills only a professional should perform. Compare to figure skating professional shows.
We must value the person, more than the, "Roll Out or any dangerous moves!" Anything that causes injury easily...take it out!
The Thomas Salto looked dangerous as if u off by an inch ,u cud practically b on u way t breaking u neck
Those standing on the bar flips are badass tho.. Bring em back
RIP Elena Mukhina 🥺🥺🥺
1:51 it could be a scene from final destination movie.
Wow!!!! Prohibited or not, those moves were amazing to watch!!! Major skills required…
Omg, I fell so nervous when i look at them.
Mukhina spent the rest of her seriously shortened life with no movement below the neck. There's no if about it: they're banned.
Thomas Salto looks like a Black Widow move. Looks so cool but painful.
I wondered what happened to roll outs. I am old enough to remember them. They look so dangerous
the world: impressive skills without chance of a huge injury
soviet: imma pretend I didn't see that
This is why I love wolf turns, difficult but no danger for serious injury
SHE IS NOW QUA DRIPLEGIC?
Wow! Several of this moves are indeed dangerous for this great athletes. Cool, but fatal.
Precious job from this FGI in rewarding the safety and life's of our beloved Athletes. Those who inspire the tenacity of Human Kind. Treasures.
Very cool video. 😊
@Blue Flu 😯😢
She died dec 22 2006 at the age of 46 due to complications
They would have low value, focusing only on risky and difficult, means underestimate the whole carisma that gymnastic has....The movement, the strength, the balance, all things even whith no risk that a well trained body can do are just amazing
Even in the small details, in the mm that make difference between a well or amanzingly well executed jump or a standing.
So look for risk to make spectators feel thrilled is just unfair to gymnastic, because every high level routine is amazing, don t need to kill yourself for make look gym interesting.Unfair to gym and unfair to athlete.
it s like drug to want more and more risk, more and more difficult...and more..and loose the focus, the why and what and for whom I m doing that
Acrobatics and gymnastics are wonderful to look at. There were many events of gymnasts making mistakes during international competitions. So safety has to be an issue. Even the worlds best make mistakes that can destroy their lives.
We cannot know what would have happened if these elements weren't banned. But there is a concerning likelihood of accidents with severe consequences.
There is no need for really dangerous elements. Gymnastics is still exciting.
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The Korbut Flip was banned because, in my two bits, the bar could not take the full weight of the person standing up on the flip, and could shatter, causing the bar to fall and the gymnast with it. And if the gymnast falls as the bar breaks at the time she was going to do a backflip over the bar, the gymnast could hit one's head very hard on the mat, leading to a skull fracture and subsequent death from a hematoma.
I think every sport inherently involves some level of risk no matter how trivial it is. Now I don't think that compromising the safety of these athletes who are nearly irreplaceable and who embody the pinnacle of the human physique should be allowed under any circumstances but all I'm saying is, and I say this from personal experience, that some athletes derive pleasure and satisfaction from high risk high reward maneuvers and that a common internationally agreed upon rule stipulates when an individual has reached a legal age they should have complete sovereignty over their body and being then it goes without saying that they take full responsibility over their choices. So as a compromise I think that risk should be minimized for athletes under 18 yes! but no for athletes who have reached the legal age, no restriction should be allowed and let the fittest/bravest win!! (in the case of Mukhina I think she was forced into it I know, but this is a legal matter and we live in a different day and age, except for China, I don't think athletes are forced to do anything and even coaches would be afraid of injuries of these kind on their resume so I think they'll try to minimize the danger for their athletes naturally not legally!! ).
Thanks for giving actual reasons for this bans, i understand now.
Amazing Korbut
i went from figure skating to artistic swimming to someone being forced to do flips that paralyzed her. crazy ride
No value to any of these skills if they risk a life - or life as a quadriplegic.
Mukhina’s story is the saddest in the world of gymnastics in the 20th century…
Love the gymnastics, the strength and discipline is phenomenal.
I needed a channel like this I love it
Relieved to know the roll out is banned. I saw a clip once of a guy attempting a forward double flip off a pool table. He landed tucked on the back of his neck. After that he didn't move. He was dead.
These moves are stunningly beautiful but I am glad they are looking out for the athletes