For anyone curious, here is a BETTER translation of what they said in elvhan than what the game gave. Do better EA. When your fans know the language better than you that's REALLY BAD. When Mythal Frees Solas from servitude the inquisitor kneels at his feet and says: Inquisitor: Banal nadas ar lath'ma vehn'an (This is echoing what he said to her in inquisition, at least the last part is.) The game translates it to "There is no fate but the love we share" (No clue where they got this cause it's only vaguely close) What it ACTUALLY translates closer to is "Nothing is certain. I love you, my heart." If they wanted to mention fate then they SHOULD have said something more like " Ghilanas tel nadas ar lath'ma vehn'an" Lit: "Fate is uncertain. I love you, my heart." Anyway, next part. when she tells Solas he doesn't have to go alone he says: Solas: "Ar ghilas vir banal." The game translates this to "Where I am going is terrible." Lit translated it's closer to "The path I'm following goes to nothingness, destruction, emptiness, void, abyss, darkness, take your pick of any of these words. If they wanted to say it is "terrible" then they could have used "telamaan" which is lit "horrible" or "telam'ala" lit "worst" so "Ar ghilas telamaan" Lit : "Where I go is horrible" Inquisitor: "Tel banal ara'ma vir shiral ma'lasa belanaras" The game translates her response as "It won't be terrible if you're with me. We make this journey together, always." Which isn't bad, but the prefix "ara" is "Mine" possessive and the word "ma" is "you" she's essentially telling him "you are mine" A BETTER word to use would have been "saron" as it means "together as one" so "Tel banal saron vir shiral ma'lasa belanaras" would be the more ROMANTIC way to say she wanted to go with him. "shiral" is a lifelong, important, journey or adventure vs "vas" which is a brief journey. "ghilas" is "to go" such as: on a path, but "dara" is "to go" as in : to go through or pierce something; and "ghi'las" is "you guide" because "ghi'lan" is the word for "a guide" so at the end of trespasser when the inquisitor originally asks to go with Solas she tells him "Ma ghi'lana vehn'an" She literally asks him "will you guide me, my heart" "Vir" is "path" but can also mean "journey" in the metaphysical sense" thus why "vir" and "vas" are similar but in this case "vir" is being used in the metaphysical sense and that's why you see "vir shiral" side by side because if you translated that to english it would LIT be journey journey or path lifelong adventure which neither one makes sense so in the inquisitor's sentence vir is being used to emphasize that their journey is just as much a physical one as it is a metaphysical one. and "ma'lasa" is actually "you grant" so here she is asking him to grant her permission to go with him because the "me" is implied by the earlier use of either the words "ara'ma" or "saron" So a more Literal translation is actually more like: "Not nothingness if we are together as one. Allow me to journey this path with you, forever." TLDR; Game translation: Inquisitor: "There is no fate but the love we share" Solas: Where I am going is terrible. Inquisitor: It won't be terrible if you're with me. We make this journey together, always." Actual translation: Inquisitor: Nothing is inevitable. I love you, my heart. Solas: The path I'm following leads to nothing. Inquisitor: Not nothing if we are together. Allow me to take this journey with you, forever.
Thanks! I felt like the translation was off considering the way elven translated in first 3 games. This is really pathetic. We know more about dragon age than the developers. Ugh! This hurts muh heart.
I don't understand why players think Mythal and Solas had a romance. In Trepasser he speaks of her as if she were the mother of all the elves. In Veilguard she calls him "My Love", but Bellara immediately explains that elves interpret these words differently and in the end we learn that she has only ever manipulated and used him. The ancient elves call Solas "Mythal's lapdog" and in the end Mythal finally dismisses Solas from the service he has held for thousands of years for her. That doesn't sound very romantic to me
@@rekettyes8453it’s not even really filling in the blanks. We knew a lot of this from inquisition. It’s just a lot of fake fans that don’t read lore entries or read between the lines. It’s always the tourists that come in here and try to bad mouth the game when it’s actually a very well crafted story.
I think it’s similar to Leliana and Divine Justinia… that along with the scene with the companions where Taash jokes that they were doing it. People love to look at things that way and I think the writers played on that. Even in this scene, he says “my oldest friend”. Solas would have been transparent in both Trespasser and in this scene, I think, if the nature of their relationship was that of romantic love.
To be honest I thought the same thing. I don’t see them as lovers. I see it more as him being a servant like a devoted, religious follower who failed his creator but the tone in the writing is so inconsistent that in the first part of the game it sounds like he was simping for Mythal. It definitely ruined the reunion between Inky and him when she showed up at the end but I think it is for the best because now he can move on and forgive himself. This is ultimately when he could begin the best version of himself. I think personally this is a view I have now in my 30s but if I had seen this in my 20s then I would have a completely different perspective. I didn’t play DAI 10 years ago and only played it this year along with the rest of the DA game but I can see why many Solavellans are upset because this is what they get after the 10 years wait.
@@TidyGamer21I agree with you and yes, you're right, it could also be due to age. When Mythally shows up, Solas seems like a frightened child who is used to being punished.Mythal releases him, he can finally heal you absolutely right here too, but I think for a lot of Solas fans it's shocking how much power she had over him. In Inquisition, Solas was always about the elves and their world, but in Veilguard everything now seems to be all about Mytal However, I have already read some fan opinions that don't understand what Bioware wants to show with this, because it seems as if the perpetrator is going his own way and the victim is being punished.
This is actually quite a good final scene for Solas. Buildup's right, how he turns/changes his mind doesnt feel forced, and the music is downright perfect. The only glaring problem, in my opinion, is Rook's presense. Like even the game itself at the end is like "lol oh, thanks Rook, forgot you were here for a moment." It never quite feels right that they're there, in that moment. Thematically
Well, to be fair Rook's relationship with Solas is insignificant compared to Inquisitor, and especially compared to Mythal whom he was close to and always by her side for thousands of years.
I really wished the game had more scenes with Solas and the Inquisitor. Solas is the most interesting character with such a well written story, too bad he wasn't the center of the game. It is so so disappointing they only gave 5 minutes to this.
Really wish the negative didnt outweigh the positive on literally every single veilguard video. This game is so wonderful and i adore this ending so much as a solas romancer. What an incredible time to be in love with dragon age
I agree. Well I never romance solas myself in Inquisition, I've really loved this game and can appreciate this ending because solas was my friend. I would want him to finally be happy
I wish there'd been more reciprocation from Solas to what the Inky does and says. At least hold her hand when you leave. It comes a bit across like she's a weird stalker he can't even escape in the fade.
I really wanted a happy ending for the Solavellan route I played, but this is still a bit sad for my reader and writer heart. I can say I appreciate what they did as a game, but it doesn't feel like the Thedas I helped shape throughout Origins to Inquisition. It made everything my Warden, Champion and Inquisitor did feel worthless. They would be out there fighting to hold the world together in their own corner, not letting it all fall apart. I'll go back and replay Origins, 2, & Inquisition, read some good fanfics, then write something as well.
...Wut? First - Hof's story has been done in DAO and they're free to fight their smaller battles, while not being involved withe very crisis. Same with Hawke. And Inquisitor isn'tr actually so much in the game, SPECIFICALLY because they're fighting to hold the world together in their own corner (South and Free Marches) and we hear it from them when we meet them, as well as correspondence they share with Rook that informs them what happens with regions we've visited in previous games. Like, I don't get it. Do people really judge what happens in the game based ONLY on an ending?
The inquisitior literally is fighting though? Did you skip the dialogue? They are single handedly holding ferelden together. Also depending on choices warden and Hawke are dead. Still it would've been nice to have more than 3 choices.
Completely agree! The way they nuke southern Thedas offscreen so that the world we saved over the course of three games just isn't there anymore was also cheap and hurtful. I'm planning on making a DnD campaign based around the original plan for this game (Project Joplin) so I can try and give myself and my friends a more meaningful end to this story that we all love.
i recently remembered that the inquisitor knows that Solas' biggest fear is dying alone (that one quest in the fade from dai) so it holds a lotta weight when he's facing all this solo until she walks up to him. actually, a lot of stuff were hinted in both dai base game and trespasser, especially about solas' service under mythal and how he was actually a spirit of wisdom who was forced to fight (cole's mysterious comments in veilguard were actually about solas' true character and why solas was so adamant on keeping cole as a spirit because a spirit without its original purpose becomes 'perverted' like how solas went from wisdom to pride. it's pretty neat.
I’m am the only one that was like “damn, I’d rather be playing inquisition instead right now” every time motifs of Inquisition’s soundtrack played? It’s not only infinitely better music than Failguard’s soundtrack but an infinitely better game. The only thing that is stopping me is the fact none of the past Dragon Age games have a future anymore. It’s really depressing this is what BioWare produced after a ten year wait.
It's visually great except for cartoony models and childish writing. But yea, would rather have graphics from 10 years ago with spot on writing. Inquisition was amazing
I feel it was worth it. Most if not all my questions were answered. This ending (minus the romance in my case) was pure perfection imo and made the 10 year wait worth it. I cannot wait for the next installment, I just hope they tone down the woke stuff. It felt out of place. I like Taash, but the pronoun stuff was weird.
someone on reddit said it's like Cursed Child. I hear the names, but I can't see the characters. it's so jarring. these are not the same people, it's not the same world. so sad.
I agree that generally the game does not feel like a real DA universe and Bioware messed up. However, while managing this channel, I also realized that the negativity spreads even to things that are done well, which just ruins the experience for real fans. This is a sad, beautiful scene. There are things some people might personally want or not want to see, but that's just personal preference. Objectively and in contrast to the whole game - it was done well though.
Many say that Morrigan is not like the Morrigan they know....and that is correct and as it should be. This Morrigan has inherited the Soul of Mythal and her Knowledge, and the Knowledge of all who carried Mythal before her, including Flemeth. At the end you hear even a bit of Flemeth´s Voice in her. While DA Veilguard could be better...i like this Ending.
Idk, I feel they regressed Solas' character and consequently his romance with the Inquisitor by centering Mythal as his main motivation. He was a compelling character because he was morally grey, we thought he fought the gods because he actually cared about the elves. That is so much better than being Mythal's lapdog. He contradicts his DAI characterisation and just became a very standard villain with a god complex. This revelation made him so much less interesting by removing his autonomy, I get the impression they fundamentally misunderstood his appeal. And the beauty of his romance with the Inquisitor was the tragedy of yearning for a love so great that it transcended (im)mortality, time and space. After 10 years Mythal just steamrolled everything. The execution ie dialogue and body animations made it A LOT worse. How this part played out made the Inquisitor feel so much like an afterthought for Solas that you forget that this is the same romance from Crestwood. Maybe they intended for this all along, but it's pretty bad when the fans aren't happy about it.
Also what bothers me is the fact that in the Inquisition Flemeth who was carrying a piece of Mythal Morrigan now has, was screaming about getting Mythal avenged and that "a reckoning that will shake the very heavens" is coming... What happened to that?
@pativi6643 so its poorly explained in the game. During Flemeth's "death" in inquisition, you see her seal a wisp of something off into the mirror as Solas is walking up. That wisp, while poorly explained, was her memories. Just enough to allow her to live on, knowing Solas came for her life force. Morrigan somehow get ahold of this wisp and now holds her memories, not her soul as explained sevral times when rook calls her Mythal
@@ladysintophatswtf7287 So what happened to the piece of Mythal that was screaming about getting avengened and looking for the reckoning that will shake the very heavens? This piece just doesn't exist anymore? Also in that case, how in the last regret and biggest regret of Solas - how does Mythal still speaks to him about all of what he wants to do, if just beforehand she send her memories to Morrigan. Not to mention this scene and the implication of the dialogue are completely different at the end of the Inquisition and in that mural.
@pativi6643 Solas now carries that peice, it's taken from her. I explained in my first message that the memories were not just given to Morrigan, but hidden away before Solas arrived. It is also shown during his regret murals that they are his interpretations of the events, sticking true to his spirit/fade theme. While the cutsceen in inquisition is short and to the point, it's shown that before killing Flemeth and taking Mythal's essence, they do have brief a conversation. Mythal's essence, and the wisp of her memories are two separate things. You may want to go back and rewatch Flemeth's death, then listen to Morrigan speak repeatedly of only holding Mythal's memories, not her essence.
It feels like something isn’t connected quite right in my opinion. Solas from inquisition doesn’t seem the type to blindly devote himself to Mythal to this extent after she became god just for the sake of loyalty. And if he was so devoted to her like shown in the Veilguard why did he kill her at the end of trespasser?
@@greenbrownblue I don't feel like that is the issue here since regardless of the previous importable relationship with the Inquisitor Solas would pursue the goal to tear down the veil anyway, so that could not be a major factor. Also, previous choices like who drank from the Well (Morrigan/Inquisitor), etc, has been completely ignored in the Veilguard altogether, so it feels disconnected, like the story was supposed to have been much more in-depth, and the endings could have panned out in many more ways than we currently end up with.
@KoKoaKate you don't think he was "evil" up until the Inquisitor changed his heart? I am gonna upload alternative endings and in those endings Solas feels like a true antagonist.
@KoKoaKate agreed about the story of the game being not that great. It could have been more interesting - we finally went to Tevinter after all. The game is massive, kinda like bg3. But bg3 feels like a way more confident production that doesn't need to drop massive lore spoilers every 2 h to remain interesting. With datv it feels like they had so little confidence in what they were making that they were trying to lore drop to keep players excited.
@@greenbrownblue I actually think he is a well-intentioned man who did evil deeds as opposed to being purposefully evil. The concept of evil for me is never straightforward and depends on whose lens it is we are viewing their actions from. Even the most saintly characters will somehow end up committing some selfish deeds along the way. That is what adds more depth to Solas in inquisition for me. He was extremely conflicted character which makes him so much more interesting and magnetic. As to whether the Inquisitor managed to change his heart or not, I feel it was not portrayed well in Veilguard since it lacked the context which the incorporation of past choices would have given, therefore it feels like an incomplete picture. For example, the choice to drink or not drink from the well should be taken into account and have some sort of impact on the influence the inquisitor can have on Solas. Or the choice to influence Cole should somehow impact Solas’ view on his decision. So rather than saying the inquisitor has no impact on his decision, it would be more accurate to say I feel it can’t be determined since we are not given enough context as clear evidence of that said impact. And that more of the Inquisitor past actions should’ve been factored in determining whether we can successfully convince him out of his hare brained idea or not. (Edit for better choice of words)
I feel like I might be in the minority in this but... this is exactly how I wanted it to go. I have always imagined the slow redemption where he finally accepts his mistakes and it will take TIME. Being in the fade, not alone but with the Inquisitor was the best thing that could happen to Solas and I cried that entire scene because I could not believe that my exact prediction and hopes happened.
Yea this is really not that bad. The game got canceled so many times, the team changed , concept for what DA is gonna be . Couldn't be more grateful for this closure and still hoping to see more of Solas anyway
After 10 years we get this 5 minute scene... i am so disappointed Veilguard should have been a continuation of DAI... the story wasn't over, definitely for these two.... so sad
Agreed that I much much much rather would have continued Inquisitors story. I remember being bothered by the community being against that idea. Seems like most ppl wanted a new thing. Hope they are happy with the new game :
@darthdracul8372 I understand what you're saying, but some of the world state of veilguard has nothing to do with some people's choices in DAI. I get you can't please anyone, but some things are just bad.
I honestly wanted this kind of ending for these two (Solas and Lavellan) as I don’t think after all Solas has done would be redeemable, but i wish Mythal could had absolve him first making him know it wasn’t his fault, then have Solas have the guilt and fear. Then Lavellan come to say he can still make it right, that she will walk the path with him. Plus, I would have preferred Solas giving away more into the kiss, it had been 8 years, and holding Lavellan's hand as they walked off into the fade. I kind of understand if you didn’t make an inquisitor who romance him to have it any other way but the love Lavellan had for him and he her deserved more.
As a solasmancer i think deep down we always knew it was going to be a bitter sweet ending for them. Im not convinced Mythal and Solas were lovers as they both continously address one another as friend and Bellara even says that the elves use words differently to other races. I think its like Lelianna and Justinia, Solas is utterly devoted to Mythal who manipulates him and grooms him and its when she betrays him that he starts his rebellion; hes purely a loyal follower doing her bidding. I think what we got with Lavellan was fair and its more than any other romance from Inquisition. What i would love to know is where exaclty they go once they reach the fade, does Lavellan become immortal now, do they retain their physical form? Yes there could of been more with these two but its more than their romance and at least this way Solas isnt alone anymore and can at least begin to heal and right the wrongs hes done
I have my complaints for this but I agree, we suspect a bitter sweet ending is the best we might can get for Solavellan. My best ending would be that he doesn't tear apart the veil _without_ being bind to the veil, and travel the world for his atonement with Lavellan, showing him that mistake and failure doesn't always mean doom and gloom and you can't always 'fix' the mistake. Of course it was a disaster for the titans and ancient elf, but it was the result of the war and rebellion. Now this world is a new world, not broken, that new people lives in. Now I really curious what happens to Lavellan too.
I think what they’re going for is that Lavellan and Solas are, in a way, replacing Andrastianism. We learn that Andraste was just Mythal all along, meaning the entire religion is essentially incorrect. But now, we have an all-powerful god (Solas) who created and sustains the Veil and his lover, who not only fought against (parts of) Ancient Tevinter but also convinced this god not to turn on the world. Now, they both exist in a “heaven” of sorts. They’re essentially the new but also real Andraste and Maker, the parallels are strong.
I think this take is extremely fair. I was talking with my spouse pre-release about what the fate of Solas might be. We touched on what we'd *want* his fate to be and they asked me what I'd ideally want. My answer was ideally they'd fake their deaths and/or disappear quietly and make a life together with matching lifespans (no big opinion on whether Solas becomes mortal or Lavellan becomes immortal). Live quietly and peacefully, probably in the wilds; allowing Solas to heal emotionally and trust to be built again. And most of all to find fulfillment in life and in each other. Now did I think that was likely to happen? No. I'm a sentimental sap, not unrealistic. I was well aware the ending would most likely be bittersweet at best. I DO wish they had drawn out this scene more. They've been apart eight years. We, the players, have waited ten. I was rather hoping for the lingering, want, and emotion we saw in the Crestwood scene. The scene felt shortchanged of emotional charge, and moreover the relief. The relief that she will be with him forever now and the relief that he'd allow her to. I know it's *there* I just wish they'd drawn it out more. During scenes with the Lavellan she touches on Solas and what he means to her and we see some serious emotion around that which I LOVED. I wish we'd had seen more of that with Solas's scenes; though I can see the argument about how he may have preferred to keep that close to the chest as a private grief. In my personal head-canon I've decided that over time Lavellan helps him heal. That by being in the Fade she gains the immortality of the ancient elves (after all they lost it because they were separated from the Fade in the first place). And that eventually over many years, decades or centuries, like Rook, they are able to leave the prison. I (rather optimistically) imagine they spend eternity exploring the fade after this and spend their wanderings both on atonement and basking in each other. I don't particularly care if that's also unrealistic it's what I've chosen to imagine to please my inner fangirl.
I liked the ending. I think people would understand it more if they went through personal loss. You understand the wish to turn things back ... but eventually realising it will never be that way anymore.
Hated most of the game but actually really enjoyed the ending personally. This was one moment that stood out to me and made me a bit emotional apart from Varric’s death, but as soon as it was over I skipped through whatever was left because I was sick of the companions and everything else. Necromancer was ok
"I pulled you from the Fade you loved and sent you into war. I used your wisdom as a weapon... and it broke you." This reminds me of All New, Faded For Her quest. It's like he's a twisted spirit in a way, by all the things he has done for Mythal.
The game still doesn't make it clear completely, but this that sound to me like the confirmation that he didn't originate as a spirit of Pride, but a spirit of Wisdom. Even back in the Inquisition Cole says about him "Barefaced but free, frolicking fighting. He wants to give wisdom, not orders."
@@pativi6643 did I make it up I swear it was said that solas was a spirit of wisdom that turned into pride. I’m pretty sure the ending card for solas speaks how he returns back to wisdom.
@@Bro-dot- I will need to see these again, I don't remember. But I do remember that during the second memory, where it shows he took the body, the companions theorize that he used to be a spirit of Pride, wrongly I think.
I thought about the quest All New, Faded For Her quest as well. While his anger did make sense at the time (they killed his friend) it adds another layer to know that he was once *also* a spirit of Wisdom twisted to Pride (albeit after he gained a physical body so more complexity). It also made his insistence that Cole become more like a spirit during Cole's personal quest make even more sense as well. It's a much better motivator than "Solas likes spirits more than people". He didn't want to see Cole become twisted up like he did. I imagine from his point of view gaining a physical body was part of what wrecked him and he wouldn't want that for another spirit.
I feel like the interaction between Solas and Inky is sort of flat. Like there could have been a little more acknowledgement from Solas. Holding hands when walking toward the fade for example, putting a hand on her cheek or hugging while they kissed. Idk, it’s like his face and body language doesn’t match what’s going on.
Love that pigeon in the profile picture ❤️! And yea , the whole game could have been better in terms of nearly everything except for animations. Sadly :
so does anyone know what happens in this scene if inquisitor and solas are just friends but inky chose to redeem him? do you get a variation of this scene without the romance?
I played this route and just finished it now haha It's the same scene when the Inquisitor first interjects, and then the rest of the scene plays out without all love stuff. Inky just asks him to consider his friends, he says he can't, Morrigan/Mythal show up, he relents, walks into the Fade alone.
I know Solavellan fans waited 10 years, I’m one too but guys, this is not a game about Solavellan and looks like some of us really forgot how romances look here. In this series we have examples of romancable companions or main characters returning, but remember how it looks? It’s a MENTIONING, always. NOTHING MORE. Alistair, Morrigan and Leliana can talk about Warden but we never see them with him/her. Hawke in Inquisition mentions her love interest but again, we don’t see them together. Here? We got an actual REUNION. Not just talking - whitch already happened earlier in the game both from Solas and his reaction on mentioning her and Lavellan with whole conversation about him, but an actual reunion with looking at each other, holding hands, talking and even a kiss. The only other „reunion” is Dorian with his Inquisitor but even then there is no bigger interaction, they just stand next to each other and talk a bit. So in the context of whole series, Solavellan was treated better than other romances 😂 To be fair, that kind of reunion was good for me. Affection with Solas were never based on body and traditional flirting - even in romance scenes he was pretty serious. Of course he did showed affection but not as much of a physical one, besides kissing - they mostly hold hands. I always saw Solas as a kind of person who shows affection through flowery words, rather than hugging. I do agree with some people, holding hands while they enter the Fade could be a nice addiction since it was pretty much „their thing”, but I will never agree that he doesn’t act like a person who is in love - the way he looks at her when she appears, the way he talks to her with softness and sadness. Plus after the interaction with Mythal and fight with archdemon I wouldn’t be so much into huggs and other grand romantic gestures too 😂 Some people say it’s against his character to let Lavellan go with him, I personally don’t agree - the main reason why he didn’t wanted Lavellan to go with him was because he didn’t wanted her to see what he has to do and what he becomes in order to torn down the Veil. Here he’s not going on another brutal crusade, he goes into the Fade. He didn’t wanted her to go through the path of death but whether he likes it or not, she was already set to follow this path simply because she wanted to stop him. She was already on this path when she got the anchor. He putted her there regardless. And since his greatest fear is loneliness - especially dying alone - having someone to share this last journey with is not as surprising. Still, he might say no but he already did it once and Lavellan still didn’t gave up on him, she still tried to find him and reason with him, she even begged him to leave all of this behind and go with her. In short, this woman is stubborn, there was pretty much no way of persuading her out of this idea - he haven’t seen her for three years between Inquisition and Tresspasser, she didn’t let go of him and begged him to go with her. Now they were separated for ten years and for her nothing changed - she is still ready to follow him wherever he goes. If he would go alone, he would still live in his bubble of regret, sadness and miss her and Lavellan would most probably miss him for another 10 or more years or maybe even never move on. These two are each others true love as Varric-narrator even says in credits. Pretty much soulmates - doesn’t matter how bad the place they go to is, they’re together and that’s all that matters and all they really need. Honestly, it’s actually both tragic and beautiful. OF COURSE not all of us can agree about this, but for me it’s more than I expected to get.
100% It's so much more than I thought we'd get. I don't care if he had a past relationship with Mythal--that relationship is over. And from what we're shown that relationship was pretty one sided. Solas and Lavellan are better for each other anyway, and will be so much happier now that they're finally able to be together.
I completely agree with everything you said but this game is awful on so many levels and completely neglects the fans from DAO and DA2. Its nice that at least part of the community gets closure but lets be honest this could have Easily been and Should've been DLC for Inquisition they even used the same soundtracks from Inquisition in these scenes. this is literally cut content for Dragon Age Inquisition which probably never made it to the game because the Multiplayer didn't generate money and I'm sure EA cancelled content just like they did with Dragon Age 2. Dragon Age Inquisition was supposed to be DLC for DA2 and EA always screwed over every project Bioware and the fans. We were robbed and I like some aspects in Veilguard and this ending but it's unforgivable.
"Affection with Solas were never based on body and traditional flirting " have we watched the same romance in the Inquisition? Like that dude completely lost himself in her when he allowed himself to touch her, in all the kisses, they may be the most passionate and hungry from all of the companions. He refrains, because he knew what he must do and he tried his best to not fall for her and to not hurt her too much. Both during the break up and in Trespasser if she steps towards him and reaches for him, he steps back, because he knew he would fold if she touched him. Not traditional flirting? Seeing her undomitable focus dominated would be fascinating? Getting her into bed is an enjoyable side benefit? Anyways, I don't find the issue with the conclusion of them going to the Fade for eternity. It's just that nothing he does in this entire game shows he genuinely wants her or is willing to do something for her. Everytime it is Lavellan chasing him and sacrificing things - here her whole life, leaving her friends and loved ones, and he barely has a reaction. "he main reason why he didn’t wanted Lavellan to go with him was because he didn’t wanted her to see what he has to do and what he becomes in order to torn down the Veil" this is what he said to her, and I agree, it was supposed to be selfless and beautiful. But in the conversation with Lavellan she mentions that and says that he lied about that and the real reason was that he feared she would convince him to change his mind. And he couldn't allow that, because he would let Mythal down, right. And even in the epilogue the narrator only says "Inquisitor was finally reunited with her one true love", but nothing says about Solas. The game shows over and over that Lavellan pines and loves, and is willing to sacrifice so much for him, but he does not do a single thing that shows it the other way around. Even in conversations with Lavellan when she mentions him, she speaks about how his love burned against her like a fire, that he was kind, wise and that she was willing to follow him anywhere, and even now she speaks about wanting to be with him. While Solas says that she is a good woman, and growing close to her was one of his countless regrets, even though he cherishes some of them more than his victories.
I am so disappointed. What have they done to Solas? Reduced his entire motivation to such a banality. A complex, contradictory and deep character was truly reduced to the role of "Mythal's little dog", a spirit that was in her service. It's heartbreaking. He doesn't seem like himself in this whole story. Something is wrong and you can feel it. And in general, the game's lore, the very rich lore of the game, from which such great things could have been created, was mostly omitted and not taken into account at all. Whole layers of lore. Such a beautiful game on the outside and such a superficial plot...
Yes, in the Inquisition he often had a very philosophical conversations, with complex motivations. He had such strong opinions and was often judgemental. Even towards romanced Inquisitor. To hear him always talk about how he regreted his mistake, and was doing it for the Elves, spirits, magic, because the Veil is his biggest mistake, but it turns out that deep down he was doing it for Mythal, because it was the world she loved and he failed her. It really removes the complexity of the character and the plot in my eyes. There were so many people who cared for him and were willing to do things for him - Felassan, Varric, Inquisitor on friendship/romance, but at the end everything he did was deep down for Mythal. I don't know. But as he said when she convinced him to take a body, he will always follow her, even if she was not willing to offer anything back. And now we see how there were people who always wanted to follow him and help him even though he was not willing to offer anything back.
@@pativi6643 Regarding your last sentence: it's very ironic, isn't it? And I wouldn't call it a successful, well-aimed ironic situation. It's rather dramatic. I can't shake this strange, but at the same time inevitable feeling, as if I want to go back to the times of the Inquisition, and forget about everything that happened to Solas "before" and "after" all of... this. Although I was counting down the days until the release of Veilguard. I try to find meaning in how the developers finished the story, I cling to every little thing, looking for some kind of meaning in all of this, but I don't find it. I've already managed to think a huge number of thoughts, including the one that: am I being too picky? After all, someone is happy with everything. But no, trying to convince myself that everything is alright, when I feel that everything is NOT is the same as trying to convince myself that I love someone I don't love. In the end, it will feel false. That's how I feel about the ending and the most of narrative in Veilguard, despite Solas' "happy" ending with the Inqui.
@@pativi6643 And you're right: Solas is no longer a philosopher. Oh, how I loved him for his reasoning and his unique worldview. Now all his reasoning is about one thing: "Oh, Mythal, I should have done everything for Mythal, I will follow Mythal anywhere, I want to bring back the world Mythal wanted, I must destroy the Veil, because Mythal's death should not be in vain. Mythal, Mythal, Mythal..." It's pathetic, to say the least.
So…I hate it break it to you…but as someone who worked on aspects of inquisition 12 years ago, Solas was always written to be a spirit. Its why so much about spirits are written into his companion storyline. He was friends with a spirit, he believes spirits are people, his name is the elven word for pride (a demon name). We intentionally included a lot of hints. We also include hints at his feelings towards being enthralled by Mythal if he is present at the well of sorrows. I was not a part of this game’s development at all, but I was during its previous iteration before it was scrapped. The Solas storyline played out pretty much the same. This was always the intentional direction for his character. I don’t try and defend BioWare too much as someone who was a victim to layoffs, but it’s frustrating when people go after the company for the wrong reasons. A lot of hard work went into writing these stories that have been over a decade in the making. I think it’s great that you liked his character and wanted more from him, but this is how he was always meant to be.
The only thing treducing Soals motivation in the game is this comment. The fact that Solas ties so much of his gordian knot of emotions to the old friend he's had complex relationship, and who's a complex character herself, is hardly making Solas "Mythals little dog". And sorry, but what whole layers of lore have been omitted? The Veilguard drops lore bombs after lore bombs on us, set up oftentimes since DAO - that doesn't mean that every detail is tied to the story of ancient elven empire; in fact we've had enough hints to suggest there are still mysteries to be solved and things foreshadowing future events.
Im a bit confused with the whole Solavellan thing honestly. Like, Solas used to be my favourite romance in Inquisition but after that whole thing with Mythal it honestly just feels like he goes with Lavellan only because Mythal isnt in the licture anymore. Idk, feels like a rebound to me but maybe im just salty lol
@Sedines by what I've seen so far yeah lmaoo like they haven't outwardly said that he loved her romantically but the characters get to joke about them "doing it" and most stuff that is said about him states over and over how he's doing everything to make it up to her. We literally got bald Gale with this game
I really don't get the mindset where people can only have One True Love (and even if Solas didn't love Mythal romantically, which is not clear, it was obvious since DAI/Tresapasser she was still the person he cares about deeply) and when they're coming to terms with how that relationship went or ended (Solas did kill Mythal for power after all, and the guilt of that is still very fresh), somehow it means that the next person is a rebound.
@MidnightTea7 tbh I did change my mind after reading some of Weekes' answer to fan questions and finishing the game myself I have changed my mind. I think most people (me included for some time) let the senseless criticism get to them
I would say this is best ending. Sure Varic died. But he knew the risk. And Solas is punished for his crimes by forever being sealed within Fade in order to maintain the veil. Though he does so of his own acord if you manage to convince him. And if Lavellan who romanced him is convinced to go with him. He at the very least won't be alone and even thanks Rook. A far cry to how he is in other endings. It is basically his happiest ending possible.
In fact, I see Mythal as the true culprit in everything that happens, not Solas. She manipulated Solas from the start. But he is held responsible while she continues to live in freedom
They were friends and lovers meaning he was open to manipulation. She did use him however as she has perveted his original nature. Thus trapping him in his own guilt.
@milijanpetrovic7228 They were friends, servants and rulers but not lovers. She didn't want a fight with her husband that's why she abandoned Solas when he asked for help. Of course he is also to blame, I won't deny that, but for me she is the main reason
@milijanpetrovic7228 Bellara explains very well in the game that elves mean things differently. And in Inquisition, Solas talks about mythal that she would be like a mother to everyone. In addition, there is a description from Solas and the Inquisitor, which tells what it is like when the dredwolf falls in love for the first time in his life. I think, first and foremost, she was a friend and a mentor, but he was still her subordinate.
Это "завершение" романа, как вся игра, полный бред. Вспомните первый трейлер, каким завораживающим и печальным он был. Потом сменились разработчики. Я думала, что будет плохо, но что все будет ТАК отвратительно, даже не предполагала. Транс, который 17 лет работал в симсе, это просто скверна, которая осквернила лучшую серию игр в моей жизни
Felt emotional watching that scene, even the second time. The music really encapsulated the mood as well. Overall I really enjoyed my time with the game. Sad we couldn’t see more characters from Inquisition, but then again they did all have a good farewell at the end that wrapped up their stories well.
Varric was killed unjustly. But I'm hoping that Varric will survive the ordeal and live on as a spirit or something. Remember Leliana's lyrium ghost? Varric as a spirit guide for future DA installment is going to be weird tho.I love the Inquisitor - Solas romance interacton. A bitter sweet end just like what Morrigan and the Warden did in Witch Hunt dlc. Bioware did Morrigan wrong too. Look at her outfit. I want her Chasind robes back. But tbh I love Mythal's crown/tiara she wear.
I really wanted Hawke to crash out of the Fade from battling Fear into submission, reunite with Varric and be a support in defending Thedas. There was so much potential for a happy end for them!
Varric does speak to Rook in his prison in the Fade. Could it be a manifestation of his memories as a spirit of some sorts? Like with Divine Justinia in the Inquisition? How else would he speak? Anyways, he does say to Rook that he knew what could happen when he was going to speak to the Fen'harel and that he still hopes Solas can be saved by Rook, even after he was murdered by him.
They jake skywalkerd him. They live taking beloved older characters and emasculating or belittling them into nothing. Varric was another victim of this.
Should’ve been. The entire point of the end choices of the Trespasser dlc was to keep the inquisition strong but easier for your enemies to infiltrate, or weaken its power but make it harder for spies to slip into your ranks. Doesn’t feel like that choice or any we made before matters.
Yeah, at the end of Trespasser I couldn't help but imagine my Inquisitor having this giant epic battle against the "Dreadwolf" Solas for DA4. It's too bad that didn't get to happen. I haven't played Veilguard yet, but I heard that they swapped out Solas and had a new "big bad" instead. Pretty disappointing.
@@BrandonL_00 thats what I thought too until they changed the title thats when I knew he would not even be the main villain and yes solas aint the main villain instead hes in the head of our new MC
@@artarthur-u9u LOL being sorry that you murdered someone accidentally sure makes you not guilty. If you say your sorry and feel bad about it all is forgiven.
This seems like a lot of emotion and self-sacrifice on the Inquisitor's end for a romance that didn't really feel that deep...? Maybe I need to play Inquisition again but outside of the tattoo removal I don't recall the pivotal scenes that would make someone reasonably want to travel into the void with their ex who betrayed them
It would’ve been better had they played out the game with you as one of Solas’ pawns and had a character arc moment when you choose to betray him. Maybe have it as a POV swapping, where portions of the game are played from the Inquisitor’s POV and others as Rook to make it feel more like a continuation of your adventure from Inquisition as well as a new adventure with Rook.
I'm waiting for the actual real Dragon Age fans who know the lore to basically just come out and tell us Point by Point how Dragon Age The Veil guard goes against the pre-established mechanics in building blocks of the world and how this is all cobbled together at the last moment
It depends on perspective amongst lore nerd fans. Some see it as rewrites of old content (which I don’t think is entirely true) while others see it as revelations that open up new secrets and give it a whole extra understanding of the world. Just like how the dread wolf goes against pre-established lore. It’s gonna be polarising for sure, all depends on how they see it.
It's not, the vast majority of the lore revealed in veilguard has been hinted at and set up from Origins to Inquisition. Even the post credits scene was technically foreshadowed in Inquisition.
@@sveipr You mean.... Like for example Flemeth screaming in the Inquisition about looking forward to getting Mythal avenged? That the reckoning that will shake the very heavens is coming? That it was clear that she had her own agenda in Solas' plans? The devnotes for the scene of their meeting in the Inqusition were saying, that she knew Solas will need her powers to save the Elven people, and she was nurturing the spark of it over the millenia to willingly give it to him. Suddenly in the Veilguard the whole vengeance aspect, and her own agenda has been dropped, and their meeting retconned, painting it as it is the biggest betrayal, and that she was against his plans. Solas' motivations have been reduced, he is painted as a total idiot.
I agree from perhaps a very different PoV: the "good" ending is too similar to the other endings. There's an ending to the story for everyone? No, it's all the same, just differently achieved; Solas is lost to the Veil, even in the best case scenario perhaps forever. With the "bad" ending, you get a devastating ending which feels appropriate as a climax to a story. But where is a "let's tear down the Veil" ending? An "Opsie, Elgar'nan wins" ending? The ending in which Solas gets to atone without being condemned for all eternity, so redemption is actually more than a dead end with nothing waiting for him? I'm okay with decisions backfiring on me. I'm not okay when I make all the decisions and I get the same dish as before, just with garnish this time.
This whole game is such a disaster that even the ending with Solas and Lavellan be finally together after so many years cant heal my total disappointment. T_T
Awwww. Hope you replay eventually. Maybe part of the disappointment is the negativity online. Ngl, it got to me and made me judge the game more than if the drama didn't exist.
@@greenbrownblue Sadly its not only because of hate this game was getting even when not released, but because it is really badly done, atleast for me as a big DA fan. Also I must say that my dissapointment also is not all because of that thing with transexualism and non-binary Taash, I actually could somehow accept that, even when I dont agree with it fully. But developers decided to make Taash as a very unlikable character, which is really bad way how to represent non-binary people, it didnt make them a very good name. I also didnt liked DAI and DA2 as much as DAO, but compared to DAV they were much better games. DA2 even when it have really ugly and limited locations, it still have a quite good story and characters that are goodly written and they werent constantly giving me this cringe urge. DAI was much better with locations, even when they were too big and their potential wasnt fully used. It also have quite a good and interesting story and it was still mostly faithfull to original lore, also most of companions are likeable. I could write here alot more what I am dissapointed with DAV, but that would be a very long commentar. But if you enjoy this game, then enjoy it. 🙂 At least you dont suffer as I am.
Seriously? This was a terrible ending!! I’m so disappointed!! He doesn’t even hold her hand when she following him into the shitty fade for eternity! He would never let her do that! (Ie trespasser). Only good part what’s the nod to the inquisition theme music
I don't think the game said anything about Solas going to the Fade for eternity and keep in mind that the Lighthouse is in the Fade :) ! So the location is not all that bad, despite him saying where he is going is terrible. The alternative for her is being in a world destroyed by the Blight and without him. In scenes before that, there is a way to make the Inquisitor give up on Solas, this one is the scene showing a lover who hasn't given up. Personally, I thought about the not holding hands thingy too, but after the amount of cheese in the game, I was happy with this gesture. Putting a hand on someone's arm is a show of support which is what she is doing as she is walking into the Fade. Any chance that the drama in the comment is tied to the drama around the game and not this scene being that "terrible" :/?
After everything Solas has been through in the past 5 minutes alone, do you seriously expect him to get all lovey dovey? Because if I was in his position, I’d be processing way too many feelings and thoughts to accurately know what to do or how to react
@@thetypicallifeofcousins2703 100% agreed. I was in a position of reuniting with someone I love and it was kinda like in this scene. Affection but also no jumping back into things like nothing happened. Loved what developers did here.
Way to mischaracterize what happened, only becayse Solas happens to care about more than one person in his life, and feels guilty for what happened to her, sheesh
I am going to ask an out of place question but does anyone know the OST song playing? I hear the end theme from Trespasser but the song after Mythal releases Solas is beautiful
I just realised something: unlike solas and the other elf gods the inquisitor is not immortal and the fade prison doesn’t have life sustaining properties, so basically going together with solas is basically just solas watching his liver slowly dying of natural causes
Without the dragon age keep this game has such a hollowness to it. When I met characters from previous games it just felt like a cardboard cutout of them - the dialogue is shallow for without the keep it's not like they can talk about previous events or about another character. At first I was excited to see Morrigan/etc. but it quickly became sad - these aren't the characters who I fell in love with there is no depth to them - Morrigan can't talk about Kieran or the warden or if she drank from the well of sorrows etc. -- a part of me is glad Solas and Lavellan are reunited but goooooodness bioware butchered so much in this game - which feels extra shitty for I absolutely love this series and it has such a special place in my heart. A part of me hopes there is not another game for without the keep (one of the main factors that made the dragon age series so amazing) it is such a soulless game. Plus with so many of the OG writers being laid off from the company ugh... please just let dragon age rest bioware keep your greed away from it.
I just finished the game and this is the ending i got, i really liked the game i won't say it was perfect it was just a good game i don't know from were all the hateful comments and reviews come from.
Why is Lavellan so short? She was the same height as Solas in DAI 🤨 I am so disappointed he did not take her hand when going into the Fade. And the animation is meh, DAI looked better tbh. Here, they all look weird and short…
So no happy ending for the hero of Ferelden and Hawk. And the inquisitor only get happy ending if she romanced Solas. Do we really wait 10 years for this ??????????
@ In the Inquisition. If HOF romance king Alistar or Morigan. They mentioned that HOF is trying to find a cure for them. At least in dragon age veilguard they should let HOF find the cure.
When I heard the leaks before Veilguard was released, my first thought was "Damn, are the Solas stans going to be disappointed with this one." looks like I was right 😅
It's 50-50 :p! Seems like another divisive subject. Honestly, considering it's been 10 long years and it's a completely different team - I am happy with the outcome. Not gonna whine over lack of perfection and what's perfect is very subjective anyway.
I feel like a lot of people wanted to have more solavellan angst throughout th egame but I feel like they ignore the fact that this is its own game, not inquisition part two. I've seen people complain about how if you didn't romance Solas in inquisition you don't get to see inky romance but like dude, why didn't you complain about how Hawke barely mentions their romance partner in inquisition or how in da2 the Warden never even appears. People just expect more even when something is done very well, smh about the haters
I think he had followers and agents, but not an actual organized army. Unless you mean the army he used to have during his rebellion? Coz there is a whole story line about that and how he betrayed his spirit followers which is very unlike him.
@@Keram-io8hv Yes, that whole plot is glossed over, no? It was called "Fen'harel's call to the elven people" and said that the elves from the Inquisition ranks left under mysterious circumstances as did elven servants all over Thedas. I don't think we meet a single Fen'harel's agent in the game, where in the Tevinter Nights they were doing his bidding and even were ordered to commit suicide when captured.
Can anyone explain what happened to all those followers of Solace? In Dai and Traspesser it was mentioned elves left from all over the world to join him, and you can see this in the concept art of the game, I thought this would be a thing and you would have to fight his followers or something like that not to mention those ancient elves We meet in Mythals temple, would not it be logical they would have joined the gods as well?
Sadly, easy answer to that is that developers of this game didnt give a sh*t about content and lore from previous games. They just decided to just ruin everything to create their own twisted story. That is also the reason why we dont have the option to import decisions via dragonagekeep as it was the case with DAI. Instead we are casually told that whole Ferelden, Free Marches and Orlais (which are the countries we were playing as Hero of Ferelden, Hawke and Inquisitor and where we were making those decisions) are destroyed and thats it. Also we are told not to worry about it and istead concetrate on doing quests to have happy companions so they can fully concentrate on one of the biggest threats that is destroying Thedas. So, the developers actually told us with this that nothing that we have done in previous games matters and also the events that happened also doesn't matter. :(
Wish I had seen this about an hour ago. I downloaded the game. How is it that inquisition from 2014 looks much better than veilguard? This people should have done early access and fix this based on player feedback. Truly awful game.
The models are unfortunately very childish , but environment and cinematics are absolutely freaking amazing. Hope you enjoy the game. Keep in mind i am also playing ok xbox series s , it's recorded footage and had to be edited. Looks much better when you play it in person ;>
Hmm is it just me or does Bioware love to sacrifice previous protagonist, like Hero of Fereldan who's canon end is to kill the Archdemon themselves, Hawke if you choose to sacrifice them to an onslaught of fade spiders in Inquisition and now the Inquisitor though granted it's technically Solas sacrifice but it is a sweet one where he doesn't go alone
I don’t think it’s a sacrifice for them though, now they can spend an eternity together and Solas will have help healing the blight. I get your point and I kinda like that, (even though I was torn with the choice in DAI), I sure hope I don’t have to do any sacrifices with Rook in the next game.
I just finished the game a few hours ago and my feelings for this specific ending are mixed. I always thought/hoped Solas would give up his immortality for Lavellan and live a mortal with her. This kind of... Saddens me?? Idk, but like rook said to a romanced Emmrich: "I wasn't afraid of dieing there but of staying there for eternity" (or something along those lines) and it's EXACTLY the feeling I get from this. There is something about eternal life that gives me dreadful anxiety and in my mind my Lavellan always liked her "normal" life. She wouldn't want this, whe wouldn't want to abandon all her mortal friends and family for ever. Ngl, I am glad we finally got a resolution and end but I guess I am just bummed because I was rooting for a completely different ending for them. This is kinda the exact opposite of what I hoped for. Anyway, I wanted an end and I got it. I just hope BioWare will let this franchise rest now that all big mysteries are solved.
From the other side, they were seperated for 10 years. My Lavellan is 40 at the time of Veilguard. There wouldn't be a lot of time for them before they grow old, she has the last few years, where she is in her peak physically and mentally. What is 10-20 years for an immortal being, like a blink of an eye. You as a player decide if Lavellan will reunite with him, or not. Frankly, my Lavellan doesn't mind having more time for the two of them, when so much of her and his life was stripped due to their duties. They can live a normal life, building it for themselves, it's the Fade, everything is possible.
There would be no dragon age 5 if they allowed such a choice haha:p it would be two completely different worlds that would have to get designed. And we would prolly end up waiting 20 years this time xd
@@greenbrownblueWith each game affecting more of the world, I suspect one has to force it all into the canon worldstate eventually, to offer a clean reset and not drag around the dead weight of loose ties of four past stories. It'll be a while until we get a new DA, so I wished they'd have allowed "what if" endings - the ones that cannot be canon under any circumstance, but give us something to explore for the meantime. Bringing down the Veil is a huge enough deviation that I'd hope people understood their choice as their personal "canon" story which ends with DAV and fanfics. Personally, I'd appreciate the chance to screw up divinely or to settle for the "evil" choice. Or a whole other, crazy ending entirely. Unfortunately, it seems like Bioware can't win. Enforce a canon world state with only certain flavour choices being represented and people will be angry at the beginning of the potential next game. Push for a canon ending at the end of DAV and you have people like me who don't vibe with the one ending that comes in different flavours. I have too much respect for the craft of storytelling to be angry and I cherish my one playthrough, but I am mourning the options my new Rooks will never have nevertheless.
Solas suffered so much, he deserved his happiness! For that ending, it was worth waiting 10 years! I hope this is not the end, and in part 5 we will see him again! Solas and Varik, that's what made my soul sad!
@@adamzorip6054let’s hope not there’s some work to be done and it’s nice that elf’s can look up to mythal and solas mostly solas for the redemption I’m sure the hero’s will document that 🤣
@@TrueFlyer28 The slavery of the elves in all of Thedas will not go away. It is the forest elves who are free, and the rest, alas. Solas should not have destroyed the veil, but waged war against people, freed elfs from slavery, raised rebellions and captured all of Thedas!:))and then loook for redemption:))
hahah 10 years...for [ Lavellan ]:"I'll forgive you if you stop" [Solas ] : "Nah". [Mythal] : "stop." [Solas] : "okay." wow that felt lifeless between lavellan and solas.. (even the kiss looked more like a peck on the cheek there from someone who didnt want it) oof im very glad i didnt preorder that. it would have stung to get invested in a game , heading towards this ending and be met with ..... that. Yikes. Makes me more bitter remembering weekes tweeting something years ago like "You could interpret solas and lavellans love as hopeful'. Glad I stopped listening years ago. Inquisition, decent, trespasser were some beautiful games.. i played them so so soooo many times.. now I feel like i wont stomach them again in the future, knowing this was the result. I definitely wont buy Veilguard. ever.
Question, did they just role with a female elf Inquisitor or does it depend on a background you choose? If they just went with it then that completely undermines the whole intricacies of playing a human noble since you'll most likely be able to bring most of everyone together for the Inquisition. Plus I've rarely seen anyone go with anything other than human in Dragon Age because the other races just look a little goofy
I hope it’s not the real canon ending as special as it may be. Dorian didn’t show up or the old gang to say goodbye to solas or both. If they do decide that canon one day please either way let both comeback somehow when they want or just him if he’s gone by himself. Finally I cried because DAI was my first when I was almost 18 during my own first real life relationship and to see him redeemed paid off though I didn’t choose the female elf solas romance in both games I choose Cassandra and brought back my male human. What a journey love both games it broke my heart once again. DAI was during a special time where I had my world and first love. I then lost that naturally. Then lost my brother to death. So as much as some may not like this I love this game even with its wrongs if so it allowed me to cope and reminisce with good old times and closing out the arc however we finished it.
Ironic he mentions his friend dying for nothing, when the writers more or less erased all your efforts in the first three games to get you here. Ferelden, Kirkwall, Orlais-all gone off screen. All those places you the player actually loved, “died for nothing.”
Glad to know! The negativity online is pretty bad , but I hope you end up enjoying some aspects of it. I really loved the cinematics and in the middle of reading through codex entries and absolutely loving that too
Dragon age 2 was my first dragon age. I then played origins, Da2 again, then DAI. (i have completed each probably 20-30 times now lmao) I rarely feel such a strong connection to a video game because… well they’re videogames. But the banter, autonomy, detail, world building, everything….. dragon age is something else. And to see THIS, the culmination of ten years. Look, it’s not a bad game. In fact i think it’s kinda cool in some respects, though pretty linear and slightly boring. But it’s NOT DRAGON AGE at all 😢 zero depth. And they butchered characters that have been in the making for such a long time.
Lavellan speaks elven in Dragon Age Inquisition. All the Dalish speak elven. She doesn’t recognize old elven because what the Dalish do speak is just what has been saved over the years- part of the language is lost.
No puedo evitar pensar en esa quesr de Solas en DAI cuando unos magos rienen prisionero a su amigo, un espiritu de la sabiduria que, como se vio obligado a hacee cosas que no estaban en su naturaleza al ser sometido por unos magos, se volvió un demonio del orgullo. Y Solas muy enfadado porque obligasen a un espiritu a ir contra du naturaleza. Creo que era mucho más personal de lo que pensábamos 😅
The inquisitor (and me, by living vicariously through the inquisitor) finally gets her man! The only ending that matters. However the kiss could have been 10x better, a nice embrace and maybe him carrying her into the Fade like in an Officer and a Gentleman.. Ok I'm reaching, but I know I'm not alone here lol
Not the same world. Not the same people. People with bastardized names. I don't know why the Inquisitor didn't simply stay the player character, but that's only one of so many glaring problems with this game and its narrative that robs its fanbase its capability to feel connected and compelled. You don't even get to feel the weight or the impact of your previous decisions. They had a winning formula with Inquisition. I don't know what they were thinking. Or if they were even thinking at all.
the only good thing about all this is solas' voice actor. he delivers, ngl. Even Claudia Black, whom I adore, didn't do well (perhaps the direction was wrong, I wouldn't blame her) as for everything else: XDFAFFDFFDSAFDSAFSDAFDSA
A lot of Solavellans complaining come across as a bit spoiled to me. This is WAY more than what most past game romances get in the sequel games. Lots of girlies just salty about the Mythal relationship. He has a toxic ex, so what? He's 1000s of years old, he is going to have exes. Being bothered by that is insecure in the extreme. Lavellan literally gets to be with him in the fade protecting all of Thedas from the Blight. It is both romantic and heroic for her story to end that way.
Didn't even know that Mythal being brought up as a possible lover is gonna be an issue. But thinking back, emmrich-rook romance allows the player to say they are virgins. I almost fell off the couch when I picked that dialogue option. Makes me wonder if the game is targeted towards immature audience xd
@@greenbrownblue I didn't know that about the Emmrich romance that is funny af. It makes sense for games to aim at younger audiences, but it does result in the social media takes being...yikes...sometimes, lol.
I'm actually very happy Solas and Lavellan get to be together in the end. I'd been anticipating all along a tragic end with one or both of them dying or forever being apart. So, I'm feeling very grateful right now that we even got an option for a somewhat happy ending. Don't care in the slightest if Solas was romantically involved with Mythal or not. Mythal is his past, Lavellan is his future. But I agree, there seems to be a whole lot insecurity and ingratitude floating around within the fandom right now. Lavellan isn't a rebound or second best... she's his lobster. ❤
Ok so not even past act 1 and spoiled but I'm confused by people reading mythal and solas as romantic that's downright maternal and outlines her manipulating, using, and creating him.... NONE of the evanuris were morally on the up she was just the best of em. Cool that solas is confirmed as once Wisdom like Cole. Explains why cole vexed him since he needed... A godmother lol😅
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For anyone curious, here is a BETTER translation of what they said in elvhan than what the game gave. Do better EA. When your fans know the language better than you that's REALLY BAD.
When Mythal Frees Solas from servitude the inquisitor kneels at his feet and says:
Inquisitor: Banal nadas ar lath'ma vehn'an (This is echoing what he said to her in inquisition, at least the last part is.) The game translates it to "There is no fate but the love we share" (No clue where they got this cause it's only vaguely close) What it ACTUALLY translates closer to is "Nothing is certain. I love you, my heart." If they wanted to mention fate then they SHOULD have said something more like " Ghilanas tel nadas ar lath'ma vehn'an" Lit: "Fate is uncertain. I love you, my heart."
Anyway, next part. when she tells Solas he doesn't have to go alone he says:
Solas: "Ar ghilas vir banal." The game translates this to "Where I am going is terrible." Lit translated it's closer to "The path I'm following goes to nothingness, destruction, emptiness, void, abyss, darkness, take your pick of any of these words.
If they wanted to say it is "terrible" then they could have used "telamaan" which is lit "horrible" or "telam'ala" lit "worst" so "Ar ghilas telamaan" Lit : "Where I go is horrible"
Inquisitor: "Tel banal ara'ma vir shiral ma'lasa belanaras" The game translates her response as "It won't be terrible if you're with me. We make this journey together, always." Which isn't bad, but the prefix "ara" is "Mine" possessive and the word "ma" is "you" she's essentially telling him "you are mine" A BETTER word to use would have been "saron" as it means "together as one" so "Tel banal saron vir shiral ma'lasa belanaras" would be the more ROMANTIC way to say she wanted to go with him.
"shiral" is a lifelong, important, journey or adventure vs "vas" which is a brief journey. "ghilas" is "to go" such as: on a path, but "dara" is "to go" as in : to go through or pierce something; and "ghi'las" is "you guide" because "ghi'lan" is the word for "a guide" so at the end of trespasser when the inquisitor originally asks to go with Solas she tells him "Ma ghi'lana vehn'an" She literally asks him "will you guide me, my heart" "Vir" is "path" but can also mean "journey" in the metaphysical sense" thus why "vir" and "vas" are similar but in this case "vir" is being used in the metaphysical sense and that's why you see "vir shiral" side by side because if you translated that to english it would LIT be journey journey or path lifelong adventure which neither one makes sense so in the inquisitor's sentence vir is being used to emphasize that their journey is just as much a physical one as it is a metaphysical one. and "ma'lasa" is actually "you grant" so here she is asking him to grant her permission to go with him because the "me" is implied by the earlier use of either the words "ara'ma" or "saron"
So a more Literal translation is actually more like: "Not nothingness if we are together as one. Allow me to journey this path with you, forever."
TLDR; Game translation: Inquisitor: "There is no fate but the love we share"
Solas: Where I am going is terrible.
Inquisitor: It won't be terrible if you're with me. We make this journey together, always."
Actual translation: Inquisitor: Nothing is inevitable. I love you, my heart.
Solas: The path I'm following leads to nothing.
Inquisitor: Not nothing if we are together. Allow me to take this journey with you, forever.
Finally someone bothered to translate it properly. Thanks for that
I knew it sounded off from the subtitles, but my Thedas elvish is rusty
Thank you.
A true fan I see. You have my condolences of the atrocities writing but at lest they tried with this, this ending feel like a more true ending
Thanks! I felt like the translation was off considering the way elven translated in first 3 games. This is really pathetic. We know more about dragon age than the developers. Ugh! This hurts muh heart.
Hearing that Inquisition music again healed me
Yeah that was a great touch
I'd give my left nut for a ost of this version
4:31 When 'Lost Elf' starts playing. 😭
Errrrrr….:I waited through the entire shitty soundtrack for that song.
Ugly sobbing
I lost it and gave in to tears
i was WEEPING
I don't understand why players think Mythal and Solas had a romance.
In Trepasser he speaks of her as if she were the mother of all the elves.
In Veilguard she calls him "My Love", but Bellara immediately explains that elves interpret these words differently and in the end we learn that she has only ever manipulated and used him. The ancient elves call Solas "Mythal's lapdog" and in the end Mythal finally dismisses Solas from the service he has held for thousands of years for her.
That doesn't sound very romantic to me
yeah, people are just parroting negative reviews and don't even stop to listen to what the game has to say. and it says a LOT to fill in the blanks
@@rekettyes8453it’s not even really filling in the blanks. We knew a lot of this from inquisition. It’s just a lot of fake fans that don’t read lore entries or read between the lines. It’s always the tourists that come in here and try to bad mouth the game when it’s actually a very well crafted story.
I think it’s similar to Leliana and Divine Justinia… that along with the scene with the companions where Taash jokes that they were doing it. People love to look at things that way and I think the writers played on that. Even in this scene, he says “my oldest friend”. Solas would have been transparent in both Trespasser and in this scene, I think, if the nature of their relationship was that of romantic love.
To be honest I thought the same thing. I don’t see them as lovers. I see it more as him being a servant like a devoted, religious follower who failed his creator but the tone in the writing is so inconsistent that in the first part of the game it sounds like he was simping for Mythal. It definitely ruined the reunion between Inky and him when she showed up at the end but I think it is for the best because now he can move on and forgive himself. This is ultimately when he could begin the best version of himself.
I think personally this is a view I have now in my 30s but if I had seen this in my 20s then I would have a completely different perspective. I didn’t play DAI 10 years ago and only played it this year along with the rest of the DA game but I can see why many Solavellans are upset because this is what they get after the 10 years wait.
@@TidyGamer21I agree with you and yes, you're right, it could also be due to age. When Mythally shows up, Solas seems like a frightened child who is used to being punished.Mythal releases him, he can finally heal you absolutely right here too, but I think for a lot of Solas fans it's shocking how much power she had over him. In Inquisition, Solas was always about the elves and their world, but in Veilguard everything now seems to be all about Mytal
However, I have already read some fan opinions that don't understand what Bioware wants to show with this, because it seems as if the perpetrator is going his own way and the victim is being punished.
This is actually quite a good final scene for Solas. Buildup's right, how he turns/changes his mind doesnt feel forced, and the music is downright perfect. The only glaring problem, in my opinion, is Rook's presense. Like even the game itself at the end is like "lol oh, thanks Rook, forgot you were here for a moment." It never quite feels right that they're there, in that moment. Thematically
So true
Well, to be fair Rook's relationship with Solas is insignificant compared to Inquisitor, and especially compared to Mythal whom he was close to and always by her side for thousands of years.
I’ve rewatched this so often. 10 years and I’m still down horrendous. Thanks for recording this!
I really wished the game had more scenes with Solas and the Inquisitor. Solas is the most interesting character with such a well written story, too bad he wasn't the center of the game. It is so so disappointing they only gave 5 minutes to this.
Really wish the negative didnt outweigh the positive on literally every single veilguard video. This game is so wonderful and i adore this ending so much as a solas romancer. What an incredible time to be in love with dragon age
I agree. Well I never romance solas myself in Inquisition, I've really loved this game and can appreciate this ending because solas was my friend. I would want him to finally be happy
I wish there'd been more reciprocation from Solas to what the Inky does and says. At least hold her hand when you leave. It comes a bit across like she's a weird stalker he can't even escape in the fade.
Can we get a mode that just makes it so they're holding hands as they leave?
I really wanted a happy ending for the Solavellan route I played, but this is still a bit sad for my reader and writer heart.
I can say I appreciate what they did as a game, but it doesn't feel like the Thedas I helped shape throughout Origins to Inquisition. It made everything my Warden, Champion and Inquisitor did feel worthless. They would be out there fighting to hold the world together in their own corner, not letting it all fall apart.
I'll go back and replay Origins, 2, & Inquisition, read some good fanfics, then write something as well.
...Wut?
First - Hof's story has been done in DAO and they're free to fight their smaller battles, while not being involved withe very crisis. Same with Hawke. And Inquisitor isn'tr actually so much in the game, SPECIFICALLY because they're fighting to hold the world together in their own corner (South and Free Marches) and we hear it from them when we meet them, as well as correspondence they share with Rook that informs them what happens with regions we've visited in previous games.
Like, I don't get it. Do people really judge what happens in the game based ONLY on an ending?
The inquisitior literally is fighting though? Did you skip the dialogue? They are single handedly holding ferelden together. Also depending on choices warden and Hawke are dead. Still it would've been nice to have more than 3 choices.
@@RedAlpha101 the inquisitor should have been the one to go after solas in this game she's barely a character she's so unimportant it's sad
Completely agree! The way they nuke southern Thedas offscreen so that the world we saved over the course of three games just isn't there anymore was also cheap and hurtful. I'm planning on making a DnD campaign based around the original plan for this game (Project Joplin) so I can try and give myself and my friends a more meaningful end to this story that we all love.
i recently remembered that the inquisitor knows that Solas' biggest fear is dying alone (that one quest in the fade from dai) so it holds a lotta weight when he's facing all this solo until she walks up to him. actually, a lot of stuff were hinted in both dai base game and trespasser, especially about solas' service under mythal and how he was actually a spirit of wisdom who was forced to fight (cole's mysterious comments in veilguard were actually about solas' true character and why solas was so adamant on keeping cole as a spirit because a spirit without its original purpose becomes 'perverted' like how solas went from wisdom to pride. it's pretty neat.
I’m am the only one that was like “damn, I’d rather be playing inquisition instead right now” every time motifs of Inquisition’s soundtrack played? It’s not only infinitely better music than Failguard’s soundtrack but an infinitely better game.
The only thing that is stopping me is the fact none of the past Dragon Age games have a future anymore. It’s really depressing this is what BioWare produced after a ten year wait.
It's visually great except for cartoony models and childish writing. But yea, would rather have graphics from 10 years ago with spot on writing. Inquisition was amazing
I feel it was worth it. Most if not all my questions were answered. This ending (minus the romance in my case) was pure perfection imo and made the 10 year wait worth it. I cannot wait for the next installment, I just hope they tone down the woke stuff. It felt out of place. I like Taash, but the pronoun stuff was weird.
Elgar nan was treated like a saturday morning villain..
someone on reddit said it's like Cursed Child. I hear the names, but I can't see the characters. it's so jarring. these are not the same people, it's not the same world. so sad.
I agree that generally the game does not feel like a real DA universe and Bioware messed up. However, while managing this channel, I also realized that the negativity spreads even to things that are done well, which just ruins the experience for real fans. This is a sad, beautiful scene. There are things some people might personally want or not want to see, but that's just personal preference. Objectively and in contrast to the whole game - it was done well though.
@@greenbrownbluethis game was not done well whatsoever. The lore it's self is shat on. It's a woke pos. The fans see what a pos this game is.
True. Not the same people behind this game either and it shows. Would not surprise me if this is the last bioware game ever.
Many say that Morrigan is not like the Morrigan they know....and that is correct and as it should be.
This Morrigan has inherited the Soul of Mythal and her Knowledge, and the Knowledge of all who carried Mythal before her, including Flemeth.
At the end you hear even a bit of Flemeth´s Voice in her.
While DA Veilguard could be better...i like this Ending.
@@merkarion7883 I've got the same feeling about Morrigan, still, this game is incredibly mediocre
Idk, I feel they regressed Solas' character and consequently his romance with the Inquisitor by centering Mythal as his main motivation. He was a compelling character because he was morally grey, we thought he fought the gods because he actually cared about the elves. That is so much better than being Mythal's lapdog. He contradicts his DAI characterisation and just became a very standard villain with a god complex. This revelation made him so much less interesting by removing his autonomy, I get the impression they fundamentally misunderstood his appeal. And the beauty of his romance with the Inquisitor was the tragedy of yearning for a love so great that it transcended (im)mortality, time and space. After 10 years Mythal just steamrolled everything. The execution ie dialogue and body animations made it A LOT worse. How this part played out made the Inquisitor feel so much like an afterthought for Solas that you forget that this is the same romance from Crestwood. Maybe they intended for this all along, but it's pretty bad when the fans aren't happy about it.
Also what bothers me is the fact that in the Inquisition Flemeth who was carrying a piece of Mythal Morrigan now has, was screaming about getting Mythal avenged and that "a reckoning that will shake the very heavens" is coming... What happened to that?
@@pativi6643 So much of DAV goes against Inquisition I'm actually bamboozled. What was the point of Trespasser?
@pativi6643 so its poorly explained in the game. During Flemeth's "death" in inquisition, you see her seal a wisp of something off into the mirror as Solas is walking up. That wisp, while poorly explained, was her memories. Just enough to allow her to live on, knowing Solas came for her life force.
Morrigan somehow get ahold of this wisp and now holds her memories, not her soul as explained sevral times when rook calls her Mythal
@@ladysintophatswtf7287 So what happened to the piece of Mythal that was screaming about getting avengened and looking for the reckoning that will shake the very heavens? This piece just doesn't exist anymore?
Also in that case, how in the last regret and biggest regret of Solas - how does Mythal still speaks to him about all of what he wants to do, if just beforehand she send her memories to Morrigan. Not to mention this scene and the implication of the dialogue are completely different at the end of the Inquisition and in that mural.
@pativi6643 Solas now carries that peice, it's taken from her. I explained in my first message that the memories were not just given to Morrigan, but hidden away before Solas arrived. It is also shown during his regret murals that they are his interpretations of the events, sticking true to his spirit/fade theme. While the cutsceen in inquisition is short and to the point, it's shown that before killing Flemeth and taking Mythal's essence, they do have brief a conversation. Mythal's essence, and the wisp of her memories are two separate things.
You may want to go back and rewatch Flemeth's death, then listen to Morrigan speak repeatedly of only holding Mythal's memories, not her essence.
It feels like something isn’t connected quite right in my opinion. Solas from inquisition doesn’t seem the type to blindly devote himself to Mythal to this extent after she became god just for the sake of loyalty. And if he was so devoted to her like shown in the Veilguard why did he kill her at the end of trespasser?
I think the whole point was to present him as a trickster god who finally changes thanks to Inquisitor
@@greenbrownblue I don't feel like that is the issue here since regardless of the previous importable relationship with the Inquisitor Solas would pursue the goal to tear down the veil anyway, so that could not be a major factor. Also, previous choices like who drank from the Well (Morrigan/Inquisitor), etc, has been completely ignored in the Veilguard altogether, so it feels disconnected, like the story was supposed to have been much more in-depth, and the endings could have panned out in many more ways than we currently end up with.
@KoKoaKate you don't think he was "evil" up until the Inquisitor changed his heart? I am gonna upload alternative endings and in those endings Solas feels like a true antagonist.
@KoKoaKate agreed about the story of the game being not that great. It could have been more interesting - we finally went to Tevinter after all. The game is massive, kinda like bg3. But bg3 feels like a way more confident production that doesn't need to drop massive lore spoilers every 2 h to remain interesting. With datv it feels like they had so little confidence in what they were making that they were trying to lore drop to keep players excited.
@@greenbrownblue I actually think he is a well-intentioned man who did evil deeds as opposed to being purposefully evil. The concept of evil for me is never straightforward and depends on whose lens it is we are viewing their actions from. Even the most saintly characters will somehow end up committing some selfish deeds along the way. That is what adds more depth to Solas in inquisition for me. He was extremely conflicted character which makes him so much more interesting and magnetic.
As to whether the Inquisitor managed to change his heart or not, I feel it was not portrayed well in Veilguard since it lacked the context which the incorporation of past choices would have given, therefore it feels like an incomplete picture. For example, the choice to drink or not drink from the well should be taken into account and have some sort of impact on the influence the inquisitor can have on Solas. Or the choice to influence Cole should somehow impact Solas’ view on his decision. So rather than saying the inquisitor has no impact on his decision, it would be more accurate to say I feel it can’t be determined since we are not given enough context as clear evidence of that said impact. And that more of the Inquisitor past actions should’ve been factored in determining whether we can successfully convince him out of his hare brained idea or not.
(Edit for better choice of words)
Anyone else notice how he seems to change after Mythal says ‘I release you from my service’?
I feel like I might be in the minority in this but... this is exactly how I wanted it to go. I have always imagined the slow redemption where he finally accepts his mistakes and it will take TIME. Being in the fade, not alone but with the Inquisitor was the best thing that could happen to Solas and I cried that entire scene because I could not believe that my exact prediction and hopes happened.
Yea this is really not that bad. The game got canceled so many times, the team changed , concept for what DA is gonna be . Couldn't be more grateful for this closure and still hoping to see more of Solas anyway
Agreed
Same, this scene made me cry. It’s all I wanted.
When the Lost Elf strings started…. Like yesssss!!! My heartttt
After 10 years we get this 5 minute scene... i am so disappointed
Veilguard should have been a continuation of DAI... the story wasn't over, definitely for these two.... so sad
Agreed that I much much much rather would have continued Inquisitors story. I remember being bothered by the community being against that idea. Seems like most ppl wanted a new thing. Hope they are happy with the new game :
@greenbrownblue funny because now I've seen people from the community saying it should have been a continuation of DAI 😅
@@dianavcsantos in some way it kind of was.
And perhaps maybe a fanfiction could make some redeemer
@darthdracul8372 I understand what you're saying, but some of the world state of veilguard has nothing to do with some people's choices in DAI. I get you can't please anyone, but some things are just bad.
@@dianavcsantos don’t underestimate imagination
I don't know why since the first time Solas was shown in this game, his outfit reminds me of the thalmor justiciars from Skyrim.
😂 he's probably a member! Lol just kidding no really you right that outfit banging!
I honestly wanted this kind of ending for these two (Solas and Lavellan) as I don’t think after all Solas has done would be redeemable, but i wish Mythal could had absolve him first making him know it wasn’t his fault, then have Solas have the guilt and fear. Then Lavellan come to say he can still make it right, that she will walk the path with him. Plus, I would have preferred Solas giving away more into the kiss, it had been 8 years, and holding Lavellan's hand as they walked off into the fade. I kind of understand if you didn’t make an inquisitor who romance him to have it any other way but the love Lavellan had for him and he her deserved more.
Agreed I never expected a happily ever after. Their life will be hard but they will endure it together.
yes! I wish the animations had at least reflected this. I just wanted him to stare at her for longer and intensely, at least ahah
As a solasmancer i think deep down we always knew it was going to be a bitter sweet ending for them.
Im not convinced Mythal and Solas were lovers as they both continously address one another as friend and Bellara even says that the elves use words differently to other races.
I think its like Lelianna and Justinia, Solas is utterly devoted to Mythal who manipulates him and grooms him and its when she betrays him that he starts his rebellion; hes purely a loyal follower doing her bidding.
I think what we got with Lavellan was fair and its more than any other romance from Inquisition.
What i would love to know is where exaclty they go once they reach the fade, does Lavellan become immortal now, do they retain their physical form?
Yes there could of been more with these two but its more than their romance and at least this way Solas isnt alone anymore and can at least begin to heal and right the wrongs hes done
I have my complaints for this but I agree, we suspect a bitter sweet ending is the best we might can get for Solavellan. My best ending would be that he doesn't tear apart the veil _without_ being bind to the veil, and travel the world for his atonement with Lavellan, showing him that mistake and failure doesn't always mean doom and gloom and you can't always 'fix' the mistake. Of course it was a disaster for the titans and ancient elf, but it was the result of the war and rebellion. Now this world is a new world, not broken, that new people lives in. Now I really curious what happens to Lavellan too.
I think what they’re going for is that Lavellan and Solas are, in a way, replacing Andrastianism. We learn that Andraste was just Mythal all along, meaning the entire religion is essentially incorrect. But now, we have an all-powerful god (Solas) who created and sustains the Veil and his lover, who not only fought against (parts of) Ancient Tevinter but also convinced this god not to turn on the world. Now, they both exist in a “heaven” of sorts. They’re essentially the new but also real Andraste and Maker, the parallels are strong.
I think this take is extremely fair. I was talking with my spouse pre-release about what the fate of Solas might be. We touched on what we'd *want* his fate to be and they asked me what I'd ideally want.
My answer was ideally they'd fake their deaths and/or disappear quietly and make a life together with matching lifespans (no big opinion on whether Solas becomes mortal or Lavellan becomes immortal). Live quietly and peacefully, probably in the wilds; allowing Solas to heal emotionally and trust to be built again. And most of all to find fulfillment in life and in each other.
Now did I think that was likely to happen? No. I'm a sentimental sap, not unrealistic. I was well aware the ending would most likely be bittersweet at best.
I DO wish they had drawn out this scene more. They've been apart eight years. We, the players, have waited ten. I was rather hoping for the lingering, want, and emotion we saw in the Crestwood scene. The scene felt shortchanged of emotional charge, and moreover the relief. The relief that she will be with him forever now and the relief that he'd allow her to. I know it's *there* I just wish they'd drawn it out more.
During scenes with the Lavellan she touches on Solas and what he means to her and we see some serious emotion around that which I LOVED. I wish we'd had seen more of that with Solas's scenes; though I can see the argument about how he may have preferred to keep that close to the chest as a private grief.
In my personal head-canon I've decided that over time Lavellan helps him heal. That by being in the Fade she gains the immortality of the ancient elves (after all they lost it because they were separated from the Fade in the first place). And that eventually over many years, decades or centuries, like Rook, they are able to leave the prison. I (rather optimistically) imagine they spend eternity exploring the fade after this and spend their wanderings both on atonement and basking in each other.
I don't particularly care if that's also unrealistic it's what I've chosen to imagine to please my inner fangirl.
10 years for this....
Most of it was in development hell. It probably has just 5 years of actual development.
I liked the ending. I think people would understand it more if they went through personal loss. You understand the wish to turn things back ... but eventually realising it will never be that way anymore.
@@gdc4736 According to the reports they actually only had 4 years turn what was originally a live service game into a single player RPG.
And it was fine.
Hated most of the game but actually really enjoyed the ending personally. This was one moment that stood out to me and made me a bit emotional apart from Varric’s death, but as soon as it was over I skipped through whatever was left because I was sick of the companions and everything else. Necromancer was ok
"I pulled you from the Fade you loved and sent you into war. I used your wisdom as a weapon... and it broke you."
This reminds me of All New, Faded For Her quest. It's like he's a twisted spirit in a way, by all the things he has done for Mythal.
The game still doesn't make it clear completely, but this that sound to me like the confirmation that he didn't originate as a spirit of Pride, but a spirit of Wisdom. Even back in the Inquisition Cole says about him "Barefaced but free, frolicking fighting. He wants to give wisdom, not orders."
@@pativi6643 There is a dialogue with Morrigan that spells it out.
@@pativi6643 did I make it up I swear it was said that solas was a spirit of wisdom that turned into pride. I’m pretty sure the ending card for solas speaks how he returns back to wisdom.
@@Bro-dot- I will need to see these again, I don't remember. But I do remember that during the second memory, where it shows he took the body, the companions theorize that he used to be a spirit of Pride, wrongly I think.
I thought about the quest All New, Faded For Her quest as well. While his anger did make sense at the time (they killed his friend) it adds another layer to know that he was once *also* a spirit of Wisdom twisted to Pride (albeit after he gained a physical body so more complexity).
It also made his insistence that Cole become more like a spirit during Cole's personal quest make even more sense as well. It's a much better motivator than "Solas likes spirits more than people". He didn't want to see Cole become twisted up like he did. I imagine from his point of view gaining a physical body was part of what wrecked him and he wouldn't want that for another spirit.
I feel like the interaction between Solas and Inky is sort of flat. Like there could have been a little more acknowledgement from Solas. Holding hands when walking toward the fade for example, putting a hand on her cheek or hugging while they kissed. Idk, it’s like his face and body language doesn’t match what’s going on.
Love that pigeon in the profile picture ❤️!
And yea , the whole game could have been better in terms of nearly everything except for animations. Sadly :
so does anyone know what happens in this scene if inquisitor and solas are just friends but inky chose to redeem him? do you get a variation of this scene without the romance?
I played this route and just finished it now haha
It's the same scene when the Inquisitor first interjects, and then the rest of the scene plays out without all love stuff. Inky just asks him to consider his friends, he says he can't, Morrigan/Mythal show up, he relents, walks into the Fade alone.
I know Solavellan fans waited 10 years, I’m one too but guys, this is not a game about Solavellan and looks like some of us really forgot how romances look here. In this series we have examples of romancable companions or main characters returning, but remember how it looks? It’s a MENTIONING, always. NOTHING MORE. Alistair, Morrigan and Leliana can talk about Warden but we never see them with him/her. Hawke in Inquisition mentions her love interest but again, we don’t see them together. Here? We got an actual REUNION. Not just talking - whitch already happened earlier in the game both from Solas and his reaction on mentioning her and Lavellan with whole conversation about him, but an actual reunion with looking at each other, holding hands, talking and even a kiss. The only other „reunion” is Dorian with his Inquisitor but even then there is no bigger interaction, they just stand next to each other and talk a bit. So in the context of whole series, Solavellan was treated better than other romances 😂
To be fair, that kind of reunion was good for me. Affection with Solas were never based on body and traditional flirting - even in romance scenes he was pretty serious. Of course he did showed affection but not as much of a physical one, besides kissing - they mostly hold hands. I always saw Solas as a kind of person who shows affection through flowery words, rather than hugging. I do agree with some people, holding hands while they enter the Fade could be a nice addiction since it was pretty much „their thing”, but I will never agree that he doesn’t act like a person who is in love - the way he looks at her when she appears, the way he talks to her with softness and sadness. Plus after the interaction with Mythal and fight with archdemon I wouldn’t be so much into huggs and other grand romantic gestures too 😂 Some people say it’s against his character to let Lavellan go with him, I personally don’t agree - the main reason why he didn’t wanted Lavellan to go with him was because he didn’t wanted her to see what he has to do and what he becomes in order to torn down the Veil. Here he’s not going on another brutal crusade, he goes into the Fade. He didn’t wanted her to go through the path of death but whether he likes it or not, she was already set to follow this path simply because she wanted to stop him. She was already on this path when she got the anchor. He putted her there regardless. And since his greatest fear is loneliness - especially dying alone - having someone to share this last journey with is not as surprising. Still, he might say no but he already did it once and Lavellan still didn’t gave up on him, she still tried to find him and reason with him, she even begged him to leave all of this behind and go with her. In short, this woman is stubborn, there was pretty much no way of persuading her out of this idea - he haven’t seen her for three years between Inquisition and Tresspasser, she didn’t let go of him and begged him to go with her. Now they were separated for ten years and for her nothing changed - she is still ready to follow him wherever he goes. If he would go alone, he would still live in his bubble of regret, sadness and miss her and Lavellan would most probably miss him for another 10 or more years or maybe even never move on. These two are each others true love as Varric-narrator even says in credits. Pretty much soulmates - doesn’t matter how bad the place they go to is, they’re together and that’s all that matters and all they really need. Honestly, it’s actually both tragic and beautiful. OF COURSE not all of us can agree about this, but for me it’s more than I expected to get.
100% It's so much more than I thought we'd get. I don't care if he had a past relationship with Mythal--that relationship is over. And from what we're shown that relationship was pretty one sided. Solas and Lavellan are better for each other anyway, and will be so much happier now that they're finally able to be together.
Before learning that the Inquisitor would show up in this game, I was 100% ready to get a mention from Solas and nothing more.
I completely agree with everything you said but this game is awful on so many levels and completely neglects the fans from DAO and DA2. Its nice that at least part of the community gets closure but lets be honest this could have Easily been and Should've been DLC for Inquisition they even used the same soundtracks from Inquisition in these scenes. this is literally cut content for Dragon Age Inquisition which probably never made it to the game because the Multiplayer didn't generate money and I'm sure EA cancelled content just like they did with Dragon Age 2. Dragon Age Inquisition was supposed to be DLC for DA2 and EA always screwed over every project Bioware and the fans. We were robbed and I like some aspects in Veilguard and this ending but it's unforgivable.
So Dorian’s romance is mentioned? Even if you don’t save Minrathous?
"Affection with Solas were never based on body and traditional flirting " have we watched the same romance in the Inquisition? Like that dude completely lost himself in her when he allowed himself to touch her, in all the kisses, they may be the most passionate and hungry from all of the companions. He refrains, because he knew what he must do and he tried his best to not fall for her and to not hurt her too much. Both during the break up and in Trespasser if she steps towards him and reaches for him, he steps back, because he knew he would fold if she touched him. Not traditional flirting? Seeing her undomitable focus dominated would be fascinating? Getting her into bed is an enjoyable side benefit?
Anyways, I don't find the issue with the conclusion of them going to the Fade for eternity. It's just that nothing he does in this entire game shows he genuinely wants her or is willing to do something for her. Everytime it is Lavellan chasing him and sacrificing things - here her whole life, leaving her friends and loved ones, and he barely has a reaction.
"he main reason why he didn’t wanted Lavellan to go with him was because he didn’t wanted her to see what he has to do and what he becomes in order to torn down the Veil" this is what he said to her, and I agree, it was supposed to be selfless and beautiful. But in the conversation with Lavellan she mentions that and says that he lied about that and the real reason was that he feared she would convince him to change his mind. And he couldn't allow that, because he would let Mythal down, right.
And even in the epilogue the narrator only says "Inquisitor was finally reunited with her one true love", but nothing says about Solas. The game shows over and over that Lavellan pines and loves, and is willing to sacrifice so much for him, but he does not do a single thing that shows it the other way around.
Even in conversations with Lavellan when she mentions him, she speaks about how his love burned against her like a fire, that he was kind, wise and that she was willing to follow him anywhere, and even now she speaks about wanting to be with him. While Solas says that she is a good woman, and growing close to her was one of his countless regrets, even though he cherishes some of them more than his victories.
I am so disappointed. What have they done to Solas? Reduced his entire motivation to such a banality. A complex, contradictory and deep character was truly reduced to the role of "Mythal's little dog", a spirit that was in her service. It's heartbreaking. He doesn't seem like himself in this whole story. Something is wrong and you can feel it.
And in general, the game's lore, the very rich lore of the game, from which such great things could have been created, was mostly omitted and not taken into account at all. Whole layers of lore. Such a beautiful game on the outside and such a superficial plot...
Yes, in the Inquisition he often had a very philosophical conversations, with complex motivations. He had such strong opinions and was often judgemental. Even towards romanced Inquisitor. To hear him always talk about how he regreted his mistake, and was doing it for the Elves, spirits, magic, because the Veil is his biggest mistake, but it turns out that deep down he was doing it for Mythal, because it was the world she loved and he failed her. It really removes the complexity of the character and the plot in my eyes. There were so many people who cared for him and were willing to do things for him - Felassan, Varric, Inquisitor on friendship/romance, but at the end everything he did was deep down for Mythal. I don't know. But as he said when she convinced him to take a body, he will always follow her, even if she was not willing to offer anything back. And now we see how there were people who always wanted to follow him and help him even though he was not willing to offer anything back.
@@pativi6643 Regarding your last sentence: it's very ironic, isn't it? And I wouldn't call it a successful, well-aimed ironic situation. It's rather dramatic.
I can't shake this strange, but at the same time inevitable feeling, as if I want to go back to the times of the Inquisition, and forget about everything that happened to Solas "before" and "after" all of... this. Although I was counting down the days until the release of Veilguard.
I try to find meaning in how the developers finished the story, I cling to every little thing, looking for some kind of meaning in all of this, but I don't find it. I've already managed to think a huge number of thoughts, including the one that: am I being too picky? After all, someone is happy with everything. But no, trying to convince myself that everything is alright, when I feel that everything is NOT is the same as trying to convince myself that I love someone I don't love. In the end, it will feel false. That's how I feel about the ending and the most of narrative in Veilguard, despite Solas' "happy" ending with the Inqui.
@@pativi6643 And you're right: Solas is no longer a philosopher. Oh, how I loved him for his reasoning and his unique worldview. Now all his reasoning is about one thing: "Oh, Mythal, I should have done everything for Mythal, I will follow Mythal anywhere, I want to bring back the world Mythal wanted, I must destroy the Veil, because Mythal's death should not be in vain. Mythal, Mythal, Mythal..."
It's pathetic, to say the least.
So…I hate it break it to you…but as someone who worked on aspects of inquisition 12 years ago, Solas was always written to be a spirit. Its why so much about spirits are written into his companion storyline. He was friends with a spirit, he believes spirits are people, his name is the elven word for pride (a demon name). We intentionally included a lot of hints. We also include hints at his feelings towards being enthralled by Mythal if he is present at the well of sorrows.
I was not a part of this game’s development at all, but I was during its previous iteration before it was scrapped. The Solas storyline played out pretty much the same. This was always the intentional direction for his character.
I don’t try and defend BioWare too much as someone who was a victim to layoffs, but it’s frustrating when people go after the company for the wrong reasons. A lot of hard work went into writing these stories that have been over a decade in the making. I think it’s great that you liked his character and wanted more from him, but this is how he was always meant to be.
The only thing treducing Soals motivation in the game is this comment. The fact that Solas ties so much of his gordian knot of emotions to the old friend he's had complex relationship, and who's a complex character herself, is hardly making Solas "Mythals little dog".
And sorry, but what whole layers of lore have been omitted? The Veilguard drops lore bombs after lore bombs on us, set up oftentimes since DAO - that doesn't mean that every detail is tied to the story of ancient elven empire; in fact we've had enough hints to suggest there are still mysteries to be solved and things foreshadowing future events.
You're not crying, I'm crying
Im a bit confused with the whole Solavellan thing honestly. Like, Solas used to be my favourite romance in Inquisition but after that whole thing with Mythal it honestly just feels like he goes with Lavellan only because Mythal isnt in the licture anymore. Idk, feels like a rebound to me but maybe im just salty lol
So they turned him into the BG3 Early access version of Gale?
@Sedines by what I've seen so far yeah lmaoo like they haven't outwardly said that he loved her romantically but the characters get to joke about them "doing it" and most stuff that is said about him states over and over how he's doing everything to make it up to her. We literally got bald Gale with this game
I really don't get the mindset where people can only have One True Love (and even if Solas didn't love Mythal romantically, which is not clear, it was obvious since DAI/Tresapasser she was still the person he cares about deeply) and when they're coming to terms with how that relationship went or ended (Solas did kill Mythal for power after all, and the guilt of that is still very fresh), somehow it means that the next person is a rebound.
@MidnightTea7 tbh I did change my mind after reading some of Weekes' answer to fan questions and finishing the game myself I have changed my mind. I think most people (me included for some time) let the senseless criticism get to them
Can't you Love again After grief ? Should we stay alone After losing someone you loved.
I would say this is best ending. Sure Varic died. But he knew the risk. And Solas is punished for his crimes by forever being sealed within Fade in order to maintain the veil. Though he does so of his own acord if you manage to convince him. And if Lavellan who romanced him is convinced to go with him. He at the very least won't be alone and even thanks Rook. A far cry to how he is in other endings. It is basically his happiest ending possible.
In fact, I see Mythal as the true culprit in everything that happens, not Solas.
She manipulated Solas from the start.
But he is held responsible while she continues to live in freedom
They were friends and lovers meaning he was open to manipulation. She did use him however as she has perveted his original nature. Thus trapping him in his own guilt.
@milijanpetrovic7228 They were friends, servants and rulers but not lovers. She didn't want a fight with her husband that's why she abandoned Solas when he asked for help. Of course he is also to blame, I won't deny that, but for me she is the main reason
The memories about Mythal can be interpreted in such way that they were in love.
@milijanpetrovic7228 Bellara explains very well in the game that elves mean things differently. And in Inquisition, Solas talks about mythal that she would be like a mother to everyone. In addition, there is a description from Solas and the Inquisitor, which tells what it is like when the dredwolf falls in love for the first time in his life. I think, first and foremost, she was a friend and a mentor, but he was still her subordinate.
Это "завершение" романа, как вся игра, полный бред. Вспомните первый трейлер, каким завораживающим и печальным он был. Потом сменились разработчики. Я думала, что будет плохо, но что все будет ТАК отвратительно, даже не предполагала. Транс, который 17 лет работал в симсе, это просто скверна, которая осквернила лучшую серию игр в моей жизни
I needed to see this! Oh I so badly needed to see Solas and Lavellen reunite!
Felt emotional watching that scene, even the second time. The music really encapsulated the mood as well. Overall I really enjoyed my time with the game. Sad we couldn’t see more characters from Inquisition, but then again they did all have a good farewell at the end that wrapped up their stories well.
Varric was killed unjustly. But I'm hoping that Varric will survive the ordeal and live on as a spirit or something. Remember Leliana's lyrium ghost? Varric as a spirit guide for future DA installment is going to be weird tho.I love the Inquisitor - Solas romance interacton. A bitter sweet end just like what Morrigan and the Warden did in Witch Hunt dlc. Bioware did Morrigan wrong too. Look at her outfit. I want her Chasind robes back. But tbh I love Mythal's crown/tiara she wear.
Agreed !!! Seems like most ppl wanted Varric to be in games and not retired.
I really wanted Hawke to crash out of the Fade from battling Fear into submission, reunite with Varric and be a support in defending Thedas. There was so much potential for a happy end for them!
Varric does speak to Rook in his prison in the Fade. Could it be a manifestation of his memories as a spirit of some sorts? Like with Divine Justinia in the Inquisition? How else would he speak? Anyways, he does say to Rook that he knew what could happen when he was going to speak to the Fen'harel and that he still hopes Solas can be saved by Rook, even after he was murdered by him.
They jake skywalkerd him. They live taking beloved older characters and emasculating or belittling them into nothing. Varric was another victim of this.
Man i always said that the inquisitor should have been the protag like this is all we get? Pathetic
I agree, in the first place this should've just been a true sequel to DA Inquisitor.
Should’ve been. The entire point of the end choices of the Trespasser dlc was to keep the inquisition strong but easier for your enemies to infiltrate, or weaken its power but make it harder for spies to slip into your ranks. Doesn’t feel like that choice or any we made before matters.
Yeah, at the end of Trespasser I couldn't help but imagine my Inquisitor having this giant epic battle against the "Dreadwolf" Solas for DA4. It's too bad that didn't get to happen. I haven't played Veilguard yet, but I heard that they swapped out Solas and had a new "big bad" instead. Pretty disappointing.
@@BrandonL_00 thats what I thought too until they changed the title thats when I knew he would not even be the main villain and yes solas aint the main villain instead hes in the head of our new MC
@@Davidofthelost thats because it does not I feel like most of the choices had no point since all the games before are literally non canon
Best ending? The bastard killed Varric and she just accepted it.
It is the best ending available in the game currently.
Plus, it was Varric’s choice to take a gamble.
Plus that monster didn’t strike me as the heartless type
@@darthdracul8372 Yes. Solas face show real pain. He went over the line long ago. But this is his friend. The look on that man face is just tragic.
@@artarthur-u9u LOL being sorry that you murdered someone accidentally sure makes you not guilty. If you say your sorry and feel bad about it all is forgiven.
HE WHAT- good god I knew I shouldn’t have read the comments
This is probably one of the best scene in this game and these are 2 different people from inquisition. It fells so soulless
This seems like a lot of emotion and self-sacrifice on the Inquisitor's end for a romance that didn't really feel that deep...? Maybe I need to play Inquisition again but outside of the tattoo removal I don't recall the pivotal scenes that would make someone reasonably want to travel into the void with their ex who betrayed them
It would’ve been better had they played out the game with you as one of Solas’ pawns and had a character arc moment when you choose to betray him.
Maybe have it as a POV swapping, where portions of the game are played from the Inquisitor’s POV and others as Rook to make it feel more like a continuation of your adventure from Inquisition as well as a new adventure with Rook.
I'm waiting for the actual real Dragon Age fans who know the lore to basically just come out and tell us Point by Point how Dragon Age The Veil guard goes against the pre-established mechanics in building blocks of the world and how this is all cobbled together at the last moment
It depends on perspective amongst lore nerd fans. Some see it as rewrites of old content (which I don’t think is entirely true) while others see it as revelations that open up new secrets and give it a whole extra understanding of the world.
Just like how the dread wolf goes against pre-established lore. It’s gonna be polarising for sure, all depends on how they see it.
It's not, the vast majority of the lore revealed in veilguard has been hinted at and set up from Origins to Inquisition. Even the post credits scene was technically foreshadowed in Inquisition.
@@sveipr You mean.... Like for example Flemeth screaming in the Inquisition about looking forward to getting Mythal avenged? That the reckoning that will shake the very heavens is coming? That it was clear that she had her own agenda in Solas' plans? The devnotes for the scene of their meeting in the Inqusition were saying, that she knew Solas will need her powers to save the Elven people, and she was nurturing the spark of it over the millenia to willingly give it to him. Suddenly in the Veilguard the whole vengeance aspect, and her own agenda has been dropped, and their meeting retconned, painting it as it is the biggest betrayal, and that she was against his plans. Solas' motivations have been reduced, he is painted as a total idiot.
Best ending would be to help Solas. Best ending of the ones we've got is where everyone dies.
I agree from perhaps a very different PoV: the "good" ending is too similar to the other endings. There's an ending to the story for everyone? No, it's all the same, just differently achieved; Solas is lost to the Veil, even in the best case scenario perhaps forever. With the "bad" ending, you get a devastating ending which feels appropriate as a climax to a story. But where is a "let's tear down the Veil" ending? An "Opsie, Elgar'nan wins" ending? The ending in which Solas gets to atone without being condemned for all eternity, so redemption is actually more than a dead end with nothing waiting for him? I'm okay with decisions backfiring on me. I'm not okay when I make all the decisions and I get the same dish as before, just with garnish this time.
I need them to release this entire soundtrack it’s so pretty
This whole game is such a disaster that even the ending with Solas and Lavellan be finally together after so many years cant heal my total disappointment. T_T
Awwww. Hope you replay eventually. Maybe part of the disappointment is the negativity online. Ngl, it got to me and made me judge the game more than if the drama didn't exist.
@@greenbrownblue Sadly its not only because of hate this game was getting even when not released, but because it is really badly done, atleast for me as a big DA fan. Also I must say that my dissapointment also is not all because of that thing with transexualism and non-binary Taash, I actually could somehow accept that, even when I dont agree with it fully. But developers decided to make Taash as a very unlikable character, which is really bad way how to represent non-binary people, it didnt make them a very good name. I also didnt liked DAI and DA2 as much as DAO, but compared to DAV they were much better games. DA2 even when it have really ugly and limited locations, it still have a quite good story and characters that are goodly written and they werent constantly giving me this cringe urge. DAI was much better with locations, even when they were too big and their potential wasnt fully used. It also have quite a good and interesting story and it was still mostly faithfull to original lore, also most of companions are likeable. I could write here alot more what I am dissapointed with DAV, but that would be a very long commentar. But if you enjoy this game, then enjoy it. 🙂
At least you dont suffer as I am.
Seriously? This was a terrible ending!! I’m so disappointed!! He doesn’t even hold her hand when she following him into the shitty fade for eternity! He would never let her do that! (Ie trespasser). Only good part what’s the nod to the inquisition theme music
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I don't think the game said anything about Solas going to the Fade for eternity and keep in mind that the Lighthouse is in the Fade :) ! So the location is not all that bad, despite him saying where he is going is terrible. The alternative for her is being in a world destroyed by the Blight and without him. In scenes before that, there is a way to make the Inquisitor give up on Solas, this one is the scene showing a lover who hasn't given up. Personally, I thought about the not holding hands thingy too, but after the amount of cheese in the game, I was happy with this gesture. Putting a hand on someone's arm is a show of support which is what she is doing as she is walking into the Fade.
Any chance that the drama in the comment is tied to the drama around the game and not this scene being that "terrible" :/?
After everything Solas has been through in the past 5 minutes alone, do you seriously expect him to get all lovey dovey? Because if I was in his position, I’d be processing way too many feelings and thoughts to accurately know what to do or how to react
@@thetypicallifeofcousins2703 100% agreed. I was in a position of reuniting with someone I love and it was kinda like in this scene. Affection but also no jumping back into things like nothing happened. Loved what developers did here.
Oh no Solas didn’t act like in the fanfic I made up🤓💀
Im not crying. Youre crying.
Nothing is more romantic than crying over an old girlfriend
Way to mischaracterize what happened, only becayse Solas happens to care about more than one person in his life, and feels guilty for what happened to her, sheesh
I love Solas still, but what have they done to him, his story, and our Dragon Age.
I Don’t understand why they didn’t get the same voice actors back. It just feels so weird.
I need this version of lost elf so bad
same!!!! The music brought back so much memories!
@ I‘m so sad it’s not in the official soundtrack 😞
on Ghil Dirthalen channel, you're welcome)
This is probably the most heart warming ending ever. It almost made me cry.
I wish they had this version of the soundtrack as its own ost.
I am going to ask an out of place question but does anyone know the OST song playing? I hear the end theme from Trespasser but the song after Mythal releases Solas is beautiful
I'm looking everywhere for this and i can't find it!!!!!
this is the music plays in postcredit scene in DAI with Mythal and Solas, i don't know the title, but I heard it on YT definitely
0:28 ROFL WTF IS THAT! That is the worst walk animation I've ever seen
I just realised something: unlike solas and the other elf gods the inquisitor is not immortal and the fade prison doesn’t have life sustaining properties, so basically going together with solas is basically just solas watching his liver slowly dying of natural causes
Do people age in the fade? I thought it was the separation because of the veil that stopped elven immortality
Without the dragon age keep this game has such a hollowness to it. When I met characters from previous games it just felt like a cardboard cutout of them - the dialogue is shallow for without the keep it's not like they can talk about previous events or about another character. At first I was excited to see Morrigan/etc. but it quickly became sad - these aren't the characters who I fell in love with there is no depth to them - Morrigan can't talk about Kieran or the warden or if she drank from the well of sorrows etc. -- a part of me is glad Solas and Lavellan are reunited but goooooodness bioware butchered so much in this game - which feels extra shitty for I absolutely love this series and it has such a special place in my heart.
A part of me hopes there is not another game for without the keep (one of the main factors that made the dragon age series so amazing) it is such a soulless game. Plus with so many of the OG writers being laid off from the company ugh... please just let dragon age rest bioware keep your greed away from it.
I just finished the game and this is the ending i got, i really liked the game i won't say it was perfect it was just a good game i don't know from were all the hateful comments and reviews come from.
Спасибо! Думаю теперь, я буду пересматривать это всю оставшуюся жизнь😅
Why is Lavellan so short? She was the same height as Solas in DAI 🤨
I am so disappointed he did not take her hand when going into the Fade.
And the animation is meh, DAI looked better tbh. Here, they all look weird and short…
She shrunk from old age :p
It annoys me I hope someone makes a height sliders mod 😂
You can adjust her height in character creator
@ for the inquisitor?
@@olgatimofeeva2108 yes
So no happy ending for the hero of Ferelden and Hawk. And the inquisitor only get happy ending if she romanced Solas. Do we really wait 10 years for this ??????????
There endings are over.
Is your attention span so shot they had to be brought back?
@ in Inquisition , their stories are not over.
They've said multiple times over the years that HOF is never coming back.
@ In the Inquisition. If HOF romance king Alistar or Morigan. They mentioned that HOF is trying to find a cure for them. At least in dragon age veilguard they should let HOF find the cure.
@@BowserTheMighty they scrapped it , it is not a secret the new writers hated the original material.
Morrigan really ruined this scene for me
When I heard the leaks before Veilguard was released, my first thought was "Damn, are the Solas stans going to be disappointed with this one." looks like I was right 😅
It's 50-50 :p! Seems like another divisive subject. Honestly, considering it's been 10 long years and it's a completely different team - I am happy with the outcome. Not gonna whine over lack of perfection and what's perfect is very subjective anyway.
I feel like a lot of people wanted to have more solavellan angst throughout th egame but I feel like they ignore the fact that this is its own game, not inquisition part two. I've seen people complain about how if you didn't romance Solas in inquisition you don't get to see inky romance but like dude, why didn't you complain about how Hawke barely mentions their romance partner in inquisition or how in da2 the Warden never even appears. People just expect more even when something is done very well, smh about the haters
Is there an ending where Solas just kills them all? He is my favourite character and I think he should be the last man standing.
Yep but people call it "bad" IDK why
There is an ending that allows you to punch him :p : ruclips.net/video/9MtFq18jyxM/видео.htmlsi=u6gxb5A3AmLMurDB
@@Keram-io8hv I mean your Rook gets pulled into the Fade with him.
I got a question what happened to solas army???
I think he had followers and agents, but not an actual organized army. Unless you mean the army he used to have during his rebellion? Coz there is a whole story line about that and how he betrayed his spirit followers which is very unlike him.
Thousands of elves he assembled in the end of Tresspasser? They offed themselves when they ran out of pumpkin spiced latté
@@Keram-io8hv Yes, that whole plot is glossed over, no? It was called "Fen'harel's call to the elven people" and said that the elves from the Inquisition ranks left under mysterious circumstances as did elven servants all over Thedas. I don't think we meet a single Fen'harel's agent in the game, where in the Tevinter Nights they were doing his bidding and even were ordered to commit suicide when captured.
@@pativi6643 I thought I was going crazy lol that is a major plot hole
There mouths didnt connect during that kiss 😂
Can anyone explain what happened to all those followers of Solace? In Dai and Traspesser it was mentioned elves left from all over the world to join him, and you can see this in the concept art of the game, I thought this would be a thing and you would have to fight his followers or something like that not to mention those ancient elves We meet in Mythals temple, would not it be logical they would have joined the gods as well?
Sadly, easy answer to that is that developers of this game didnt give a sh*t about content and lore from previous games. They just decided to just ruin everything to create their own twisted story. That is also the reason why we dont have the option to import decisions via dragonagekeep as it was the case with DAI. Instead we are casually told that whole Ferelden, Free Marches and Orlais (which are the countries we were playing as Hero of Ferelden, Hawke and Inquisitor and where we were making those decisions) are destroyed and thats it. Also we are told not to worry about it and istead concetrate on doing quests to have happy companions so they can fully concentrate on one of the biggest threats that is destroying Thedas. So, the developers actually told us with this that nothing that we have done in previous games matters and also the events that happened also doesn't matter. :(
Wish I had seen this about an hour ago. I downloaded the game. How is it that inquisition from 2014 looks much better than veilguard?
This people should have done early access and fix this based on player feedback. Truly awful game.
The models are unfortunately very childish , but environment and cinematics are absolutely freaking amazing. Hope you enjoy the game. Keep in mind i am also playing ok xbox series s , it's recorded footage and had to be edited. Looks much better when you play it in person ;>
Hmm is it just me or does Bioware love to sacrifice previous protagonist, like Hero of Fereldan who's canon end is to kill the Archdemon themselves, Hawke if you choose to sacrifice them to an onslaught of fade spiders in Inquisition and now the Inquisitor though granted it's technically Solas sacrifice but it is a sweet one where he doesn't go alone
I don’t think it’s a sacrifice for them though, now they can spend an eternity together and Solas will have help healing the blight.
I get your point and I kinda like that, (even though I was torn with the choice in DAI), I sure hope I don’t have to do any sacrifices with Rook in the next game.
I just finished the game a few hours ago and my feelings for this specific ending are mixed.
I always thought/hoped Solas would give up his immortality for Lavellan and live a mortal with her.
This kind of... Saddens me?? Idk, but like rook said to a romanced Emmrich: "I wasn't afraid of dieing there but of staying there for eternity" (or something along those lines) and it's EXACTLY the feeling I get from this.
There is something about eternal life that gives me dreadful anxiety and in my mind my Lavellan always liked her "normal" life. She wouldn't want this, whe wouldn't want to abandon all her mortal friends and family for ever.
Ngl, I am glad we finally got a resolution and end but I guess I am just bummed because I was rooting for a completely different ending for them. This is kinda the exact opposite of what I hoped for.
Anyway, I wanted an end and I got it. I just hope BioWare will let this franchise rest now that all big mysteries are solved.
From the other side, they were seperated for 10 years. My Lavellan is 40 at the time of Veilguard. There wouldn't be a lot of time for them before they grow old, she has the last few years, where she is in her peak physically and mentally. What is 10-20 years for an immortal being, like a blink of an eye.
You as a player decide if Lavellan will reunite with him, or not.
Frankly, my Lavellan doesn't mind having more time for the two of them, when so much of her and his life was stripped due to their duties. They can live a normal life, building it for themselves, it's the Fade, everything is possible.
Hate it, I wanted to tear a veil down...
There would be no dragon age 5 if they allowed such a choice haha:p it would be two completely different worlds that would have to get designed. And we would prolly end up waiting 20 years this time xd
@@greenbrownblue there wont be no dragon age 5 anyway lmao.
@@greenbrownblueWith each game affecting more of the world, I suspect one has to force it all into the canon worldstate eventually, to offer a clean reset and not drag around the dead weight of loose ties of four past stories.
It'll be a while until we get a new DA, so I wished they'd have allowed "what if" endings - the ones that cannot be canon under any circumstance, but give us something to explore for the meantime. Bringing down the Veil is a huge enough deviation that I'd hope people understood their choice as their personal "canon" story which ends with DAV and fanfics. Personally, I'd appreciate the chance to screw up divinely or to settle for the "evil" choice. Or a whole other, crazy ending entirely.
Unfortunately, it seems like Bioware can't win. Enforce a canon world state with only certain flavour choices being represented and people will be angry at the beginning of the potential next game. Push for a canon ending at the end of DAV and you have people like me who don't vibe with the one ending that comes in different flavours. I have too much respect for the craft of storytelling to be angry and I cherish my one playthrough, but I am mourning the options my new Rooks will never have nevertheless.
Solas suffered so much, he deserved his happiness! For that ending, it was worth waiting 10 years! I hope this is not the end, and in part 5 we will see him again! Solas and Varik, that's what made my soul sad!
I hope to see him come back and forth and if they go canon with the romance ending that they also comeback and forth to help.
@@TrueFlyer28 We'll find out in 10 years😅
@@adamzorip6054let’s hope not there’s some work to be done and it’s nice that elf’s can look up to mythal and solas mostly solas for the redemption I’m sure the hero’s will document that 🤣
@@TrueFlyer28 The slavery of the elves in all of Thedas will not go away. It is the forest elves who are free, and the rest, alas. Solas should not have destroyed the veil, but waged war against people, freed elfs from slavery, raised rebellions and captured all of Thedas!:))and then loook for redemption:))
hahah 10 years...for [ Lavellan ]:"I'll forgive you if you stop" [Solas ] : "Nah". [Mythal] : "stop." [Solas] : "okay." wow that felt lifeless between lavellan and solas.. (even the kiss looked more like a peck on the cheek there from someone who didnt want it) oof im very glad i didnt preorder that. it would have stung to get invested in a game , heading towards this ending and be met with ..... that. Yikes. Makes me more bitter remembering weekes tweeting something years ago like "You could interpret solas and lavellans love as hopeful'. Glad I stopped listening years ago. Inquisition, decent, trespasser were some beautiful games.. i played them so so soooo many times.. now I feel like i wont stomach them again in the future, knowing this was the result. I definitely wont buy Veilguard. ever.
This has to be the ultimate "I can save him" ending. My male Rook just stabbed him and punched him back into the Fade xD
haters are gonna hate. i see the flaws (which are many, both story and game wise), but overall i liked how this played out in the end
Insane coping
low standards .
Question, did they just role with a female elf Inquisitor or does it depend on a background you choose? If they just went with it then that completely undermines the whole intricacies of playing a human noble since you'll most likely be able to bring most of everyone together for the Inquisition. Plus I've rarely seen anyone go with anything other than human in Dragon Age because the other races just look a little goofy
Omg finally they get there ending
I hope it’s not the real canon ending as special as it may be. Dorian didn’t show up or the old gang to say goodbye to solas or both. If they do decide that canon one day please either way let both comeback somehow when they want or just him if he’s gone by himself. Finally I cried because DAI was my first when I was almost 18 during my own first real life relationship and to see him redeemed paid off though I didn’t choose the female elf solas romance in both games I choose Cassandra and brought back my male human. What a journey love both games it broke my heart once again. DAI was during a special time where I had my world and first love. I then lost that naturally. Then lost my brother to death. So as much as some may not like this I love this game even with its wrongs if so it allowed me to cope and reminisce with good old times and closing out the arc however we finished it.
Ironic he mentions his friend dying for nothing, when the writers more or less erased all your efforts in the first three games to get you here. Ferelden, Kirkwall, Orlais-all gone off screen. All those places you the player actually loved, “died for nothing.”
pls make or give 1 video Inquisitor keep inquisition alive
Well I guess I’ll play this game. Just for this ending.
Glad to know! The negativity online is pretty bad , but I hope you end up enjoying some aspects of it. I really loved the cinematics and in the middle of reading through codex entries and absolutely loving that too
Dragon age 2 was my first dragon age. I then played origins, Da2 again, then DAI. (i have completed each probably 20-30 times now lmao) I rarely feel such a strong connection to a video game because… well they’re videogames. But the banter, autonomy, detail, world building, everything….. dragon age is something else. And to see THIS, the culmination of ten years. Look, it’s not a bad game. In fact i think it’s kinda cool in some respects, though pretty linear and slightly boring. But it’s NOT DRAGON AGE at all 😢 zero depth. And they butchered characters that have been in the making for such a long time.
Where did you learn the elven language where is your source
Lavellan speaks elven in Dragon Age Inquisition. All the Dalish speak elven. She doesn’t recognize old elven because what the Dalish do speak is just what has been saved over the years- part of the language is lost.
Does anyone know what song is playing when solas binds himself?
i believe its called rip dragon age.
No puedo evitar pensar en esa quesr de Solas en DAI cuando unos magos rienen prisionero a su amigo, un espiritu de la sabiduria que, como se vio obligado a hacee cosas que no estaban en su naturaleza al ser sometido por unos magos, se volvió un demonio del orgullo. Y Solas muy enfadado porque obligasen a un espiritu a ir contra du naturaleza. Creo que era mucho más personal de lo que pensábamos 😅
The inquisitor (and me, by living vicariously through the inquisitor) finally gets her man! The only ending that matters.
However the kiss could have been 10x better, a nice embrace and maybe him carrying her into the Fade like in an Officer and a Gentleman.. Ok I'm reaching, but I know I'm not alone here lol
Wait.... if the inquisitor is now bound to the veil.... whos fighting the blight in the south? 🤔
I dont think the writerd thought ahead about pretty much anything tbh. Nor backwards considering the contradictio with earlier games.
Alistair, hawk , hero of the first game , wait. Somehow they all stopped existing, oh well.
PLS Help!! Is this ending possible for me if I saved Treviso?? I read that I should save Mintathous to gain this ending. Is it true??
nope saving either city doesn't make any change in the endings
10 long years. For this rubbish 😢
The bad ending seems more realistic, and a better cinematic ending than this. Although I do like the final score.
Not the same world. Not the same people. People with bastardized names. I don't know why the Inquisitor didn't simply stay the player character, but that's only one of so many glaring problems with this game and its narrative that robs its fanbase its capability to feel connected and compelled. You don't even get to feel the weight or the impact of your previous decisions. They had a winning formula with Inquisition.
I don't know what they were thinking. Or if they were even thinking at all.
the only good thing about all this is solas' voice actor. he delivers, ngl. Even Claudia Black, whom I adore, didn't do well (perhaps the direction was wrong, I wouldn't blame her)
as for everything else: XDFAFFDFFDSAFDSAFSDAFDSA
This is the way I wanted to go!!! Well, it falls abit flat. But the end result l.
I know this ending isn't perfect but I'm satisfied, they did this ending alright, if only the rest of the game was good
So true QQ some fights are decent and cinematics. Honestly if they cut out immature scenes and childish dialogues, the game would be so much better
@ yeah this game was supposed to be Dragon Age DREADWOLF, not dragon age therapy and friendship building
Stay Single, Stay Safe. 😎👍
she shouldve said ar lasa mala revas :/
Dose this mean canonically the inquisitor is a female elf or was this like a save data thing
Yea its a canon Inquisitor look and choices :>
Oddly enough.... I love it. And yes! Finally they reunite and rekindled their love! ❤
A lot of Solavellans complaining come across as a bit spoiled to me. This is WAY more than what most past game romances get in the sequel games. Lots of girlies just salty about the Mythal relationship. He has a toxic ex, so what? He's 1000s of years old, he is going to have exes. Being bothered by that is insecure in the extreme. Lavellan literally gets to be with him in the fade protecting all of Thedas from the Blight. It is both romantic and heroic for her story to end that way.
Lol the drama xd
Didn't even know that Mythal being brought up as a possible lover is gonna be an issue. But thinking back, emmrich-rook romance allows the player to say they are virgins. I almost fell off the couch when I picked that dialogue option. Makes me wonder if the game is targeted towards immature audience xd
@@greenbrownblue I didn't know that about the Emmrich romance that is funny af. It makes sense for games to aim at younger audiences, but it does result in the social media takes being...yikes...sometimes, lol.
I'm actually very happy Solas and Lavellan get to be together in the end. I'd been anticipating all along a tragic end with one or both of them dying or forever being apart. So, I'm feeling very grateful right now that we even got an option for a somewhat happy ending. Don't care in the slightest if Solas was romantically involved with Mythal or not. Mythal is his past, Lavellan is his future. But I agree, there seems to be a whole lot insecurity and ingratitude floating around within the fandom right now. Lavellan isn't a rebound or second best... she's his lobster. ❤
Ok so not even past act 1 and spoiled but I'm confused by people reading mythal and solas as romantic that's downright maternal and outlines her manipulating, using, and creating him.... NONE of the evanuris were morally on the up she was just the best of em. Cool that solas is confirmed as once Wisdom like Cole. Explains why cole vexed him since he needed... A godmother lol😅
There is a possibility they were "DOING IT" (not my words): ruclips.net/video/rt1fQGrdx7I/видео.html&ab_channel=greenbrownblue